Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch IMHO life is essentially intelligence (mind), where intelligence is the ability to make one's own choices, not from software or hardware or anything in nature. I hypothesize that life is undefinable because to define it would limit its choices. Some limitation of course would be

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Yes, that could be a killer problem. Certainly an interesting one. Admittedly I often confuse timeless and spaceless. Perhaps the confusion comes from the act of viewing Platonia. Haven't figured it all out, but the speeding car would take care of timeless. Spaceless would

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I think of the brain as a running sensor of the static platonic world. Sort of like looking out of the car window as you speed along. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/7/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function.

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch virtual reality model Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list@googlegroups.com Time:

Re: Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
nvent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-05, 11:50:33 Subject: Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p. > Computers don't and can't. Big sdifference. > > Hi Roger, > > 锟斤拷� Please leave magic out of this, as "any sufficiently advanced

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal world. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg IMHO the burden to show that computers are alive and have intelligence lies on the scientists. I see no evidence of life or real intelligence in computers. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Sorry. What needs explanation ? Or is that even the right question ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Re

Re: Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-04, 11:49:55 Subject: Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer Here is the link I mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdg4mU-wuhI On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Jason Resch ?

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p. Computers don't and can't. Big sdifference. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the f

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-04 Thread Jason Resch
Here is the link I mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdg4mU-wuhI On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Jason Resch > > IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do, > but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer. > It has no inte

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do, but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer. It has no intelligence, no life, no awareness, there's nothing magic about it. It's just a complex bunch of diodes and transistors. Roger Clough, rclo

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Good point, but I was thinking of a perceiving/feeling subject. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona IMHO you can't have intelligence without a 1p perceiver. Only life can do that. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Where is the aware subject in the computer ? What color eyes does he have ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Re