RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-28 Thread Marchal Bruno
Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BG: You seem to be making points about the limitations >> >of the folk-psychology notion of identity, rather than about the actual >> >nature of the universe... >> >> >> BM: Then you should disagree at some point of the reasoning, for the >> reasoning is

RE: RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
> You seem to be making points about the limitations > >of the folk-psychology notion of identity, rather than about the actual > >nature of the universe... > > > Then you should disagree at some point of the reasoning, for the > reasoning is intended, at least, to show that it follows from > the

re:RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-26 Thread Marchal Bruno
Ben Goertzel writes: >I read your argument for the UDA, and there's nothing there that >particularly worries me. Good. I don't like to worry people. (Only those attached dogmatically to BOTH comp AND the existence of a stuffy substancial universe should perhaps be worried). You seem to be ma

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
> See my web page for links to papers, and archive addresses with > more explanations, including the basic results of my thesis. > (Mainly the Universal Dovetailer Argument UDA and its Arithmetical > version AUDA). I read your argument for the UDA, and there's nothing there that particularly wor

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-26 Thread Marchal Bruno
Ben Goertzel wrote: >Bruno wrote: >*** > Let me insist because some people seem not yet grasping >fully that idea. >In fact that 1/3-distinction makes COMP incompatible with >the thesis that the universe is a machine. If I am a machine then >the universe cannot be a machine. No machine can simula

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-26 Thread Marchal Bruno
Hal Finney wrote: >Bruno Marchal writes: >> Methodologically your ON theory suffers (at first sight)the same >> problem as Wolfram, or Schmidhuber's approaches. The problem consists in >> failing to realise the fact that if we are turing-emulable, then >> the association between mind-dynamics and

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-22 Thread Ben Goertzel
Bruno wrote: *** Let me insist because some people seem not yet grasping fully that idea. In fact that 1/3-distinction makes COMP incompatible with the thesis that the universe is a machine. If I am a machine then the universe cannot be a machine. No machine can simulate the comp first person in

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-22 Thread Hal Finney
Bruno Marchal writes: > Methodologically your ON theory suffers (at first sight)the same > problem as Wolfram, or Schmidhuber's approaches. The problem consists in > failing to realise the fact that if we are turing-emulable, then > the association between mind-dynamics and matter-dynamics cannot b

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-22 Thread Marchal Bruno
Ben Goertzel wrote: >Regarding octonions, sedenions and physics >Tony Smith has a huge amount of pertinent ideas on his website, e.g. > >http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QOphys.html >http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/d4d5e6hist.html > >His ideas are colorful and speculative, but also dee

RE: Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-21 Thread Ben Goertzel
Regarding octonions, sedenions and physics Tony Smith has a huge amount of pertinent ideas on his website, e.g. http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QOphys.html http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/d4d5e6hist.html His ideas are colorful and speculative, but also deep and interesting. One co

Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-18 Thread Russell Standish
Tim May wrote: > > The articles, especially those by Marcus Chown, are wildly speculative > hints at what may be aspects of reality...at least this is how I treat > them. And what appears to be just idle speculation sometimes is linked > with things I know to be important (a cover story on the

Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 07:12 AM, Marchal Bruno wrote: Hi, I hope you have not missed Ian Steward's paper on the number 8, considered as a TOE in the last new scientist. It mentions a paper by John Baez on the octonions. The octonions seems to be a key ingredient for the quantization