Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2012, at 21:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Bruno: It could be that the indeterminacy in the I means that everything else is not a machine, but supposedly, an hallucination. If reified as real, which the machine is obliged to do. But this hallucination has a well defined set of mat

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Bruno: It could be that the indeterminacy in the I means that everything else is not a machine, but supposedly, an hallucination. But this hallucination has a well defined set of mathematical properties that are communicable to other hallucinated expectators. This means that something is keeping

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Oct 2012, at 15:11, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/7 Bruno Marchal On 07 Oct 2012, at 12:32, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Hi Roger: ... and cognitive science , which study the hardware and evolutionary psychology (that study the software or mind) assert that this is true. Parti

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
With "by real computers made of ordinary matter." I mean that the computers are structures within the mathematical manifold that describe the physical reality (or the tip of the iceberg). 2012/10/7 Alberto G. Corona > > > 2012/10/7 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 07 Oct 2012, at 12:32, Alberto G. Cor

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/10/7 Bruno Marchal > > On 07 Oct 2012, at 12:32, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Hi Roger: > > ... and cognitive science , which study the hardware and evolutionary > psychology (that study the software or mind) assert that this is true. > > > Partially true, as both the mainstream cognitive sc

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Oct 2012, at 12:32, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Hi Roger: ... and cognitive science , which study the hardware and evolutionary psychology (that study the software or mind) assert that this is true. Partially true, as both the mainstream cognitive science and psychology still does n

Re: What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Roger: ... and cognitive science , which study the hardware and evolutionary psychology (that study the software or mind) assert that this is true. The Kant idea that even space and time are creations of the mind is crucial for the understanding and to compatibilize the world of perceptions an

What Kant did: Consciousness is a top-down structuring of bottom-up sensory info

2012-10-06 Thread Roger Clough
http://www.friesian.com/kant.htm Kant's "Copernican Revolution" " Kant's most original contribution to philosophy is his "Copernican Revolution," that, as he puts it, it is the representation that makes the object possible rather than the object that makes the representation possible. This