Outlook 2002 contacts

2002-11-05 Thread Niki Blowfield - Exchange
Dear All, We have several public folders used as address books User are complaining that they only get to see the name of the contact, and not the associated email address, or their company. (sounds like an MCP question) Is there a way of automatically changing the contacts to display the name

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Robert Moir
-Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc;noghri.net] Sent: 04 November 2002 18:52 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Hu you being rude to someone elseimagine that? You saying nothing of value AGAIN... Imagine that? Robert Moir IT Systems

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Andy David
I would hope that most administrators would have the approval of the higher-ups before implementing any system that utilized a RBL. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone;superioraccess.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions

Re: Moving E2k storage group to new Server

2002-11-05 Thread Damian Coughlan
Exchange is working fine on the server its just that the raid set on this dodgy ibm server keeps going critical after a reboot(keep getting the runaround from ibm) and we want the customer to purchase a better server but there is a lot of mail stored on it and i was just wondering how easy/hard

RE: Exchange 2000 and GC

2002-11-05 Thread Roger Seielstad
Here are the reasons that I know of to keep GCs and Exchange servers separate: -GCs can create a relatively high amount of replication traffic, depending on your forest topology -a GC on the Exchange server adds not only the DC and GC replication loads, but will also service all functions

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Roger Seielstad
I'm sure Chris will add his thoughts on the subject, but my thoughts on the subject are probably close enough to his to qualify. Most RBLs are run as strict vigilante justice. In many cases, your servers are added to them without any notification to that effect, and you only find out after

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Martin Blackstone
Yea. You would hope so. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's I would hope that most administrators would have the approval of the higher-ups before implementing any system that

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
I just re-read his original posting. I really don't understand why he's called rude. I think he should have added that some RBL's don't even know what an RBL is supposed to do. And they're clueless about the damage they can do when not operated in The_Right_Way. Spews is a good example of a

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Schwartz, Jim
Hello! [1] Frankly. I run the mail system for a business. Decisions about who and what arrives into my mail systems is BUSINESS decision. The folks who run the RBL systems are technologists. They make TECHNOLOGY decisions. They have no idea about my business needs so I would never allow them to

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Andy David
Well, RBLs aside, I do not subscribe to the notion that the majority of mail admins are idiots. Except for maybe a few examples, I think anyone who joins a technical list such as this and others does in fact understand the need to learn more and share their own experiences. Mr. Hummer's ( Im an

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Martin Blackstone
Right. And this problem is totally out of your hands. That's another issue with an RBL. You have 0 control over it other than the choice to use one or not. You also have no way of knowing what's blocked until its too late. I cant believe that a boss would approve of such a thing when he knows for

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Erik Sojka
You following remark ... Seems to say ? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william;techsanctuary.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's depsite it's poor grammar ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: field is empty

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
You received this e-mail as a bcc recipient. -Original Message- From: Exchange List To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 11/5/2002 1:01 AM Subject: RE: field is empty Some users are getting mails from the Internet in which To: field is empty, or doing BCC: how can I block such kind of mails.

RE: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Bennett, Joshua
No, not really. Should I be overly concerned that I am seeing these errors if all this turns out to be a a bandwidth issue? My concern is that this is the beginning of a larger Exchange issue. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: Monday,

RE: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Bennett, Joshua
Yes, the queues back up for an hour or so then flush clean in a 2 minute span once the X.400 connection is successful. However, due to the way the routing table is, I have messages flowing in a roundabout fashion. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad

RE: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Bennett, Joshua
Both way's -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:danielc;dc-resources.net] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: X.400 issues On which MTA? The sending or receiving one? - Original Message - From: Bennett, Joshua [EMAIL

RE: Associate a Public Folder to a specific Mailbox

2002-11-05 Thread John Matteson
Which book would you recommend that sucks less? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Associate

RE: Associate a Public Folder to a specific Mailbox

2002-11-05 Thread John Matteson
Depending on the state of migration you are in, design/premigration, migration, or operational/support here's what I would recommend: Premigration/design phase: Microsoft Exchange Server for Windows 2K (Tony Redmond, Digital Press) Mission Critical

RE: Strange account problem - need your advice...

2002-11-05 Thread Hooks, Tim
Worked like a charm - thanks for your help. I did already, by the way, follow the steps to remove the 5.5 server. Thanks for your assistance. Timothy J. Hooks, MCSE Columbus, Ohio -Original Message- From: Jeff Beckham [mailto:jbeckham;allfiguredout.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002

RE: Appointments/Personal Folders

2002-11-05 Thread John Matteson
No. You will update Free/busy times on the server, but that's all. If you want other users to see WHY you are busy, then the calendar must be on the server, which means no .PST for you! Why would you want to deliver to a PST in the first place? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Matt Natkin
I originally questioned about RBL's for exchange because we host a large .com whose main stay of business is free web based email. They have 100k plus users and get spammed to death. We have content filtering tools, we can blacklist known spammers, and we can even shut down ip's at the router.

RE: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Roger Seielstad
What is it about your routing table that is causing the looping messages? Is it possible for you to remove redundant routes, even just one or two, to see what happens? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly

Re: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Hlabse
This is something I have seen/heard about before. I just can't remember what the heck it was. Should someone shed light on this fly in your ointment let me know. Of course if the light bulb goes off I let you know. - Original Message - From: Bennett, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange

RE: mssdmn.exe using high cpu

2002-11-05 Thread Trent Hancock
The terms 'Microsoft' and 'indexing' remind me of all the weird problems that disappeared from systems with the removal of Findfast. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-103735;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:22 PM To:

scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Kleciak, Clint D N21
Any such functionality or third product tool? thanks Clint -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail

RE: Exchange 2000 and GC

2002-11-05 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
Your life may get more complicated is you have to deal with another layer - Domain Controller Security Policy. -Original Message- From: Petri [mailto:omatesti;jippii.fi] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 and GC Hi Folks, I have

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
Here's what SamSpade.org says about the XBL: The XBL has been removed for a number of reasons. 1) It's run by a total kook. 2) Nobody uses it. 3) It appears to list almost the entire Internet. LOL -Original Message- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92;zonnet.nl] Sent: Tuesday,

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Darcy Adams
David - please see my post early in this thread (October 23rd). It just barely skims the surface of the pain and hours I had to invest to keep mail flowing after a vigilante RBL organization listed our IP's. Darcy -Original Message- From: David Gibbons

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
And in general, the business needs of a firm providing free web based e-mail, vs. the business needs of a Fortune 500 company are a tad different. So are the usage patterns and a host of other factors. My only comment about RBLs as it related to your question (not being defensive, just reiterating

RE: Associate a Public Folder to a specific Mailbox

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
The Tao of Pooh. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:John.Matteson;geac.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Which book would you recommend that sucks less? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Darcy Adams
When I was in the midst of my battle against SPEWS and Admins who thought it was the best thing since sliced bread I discovered a few things. 1) Many of the admins using it had never mentioned this to their managers. I learned this by contacting the managers and hearing, more often than not,

RE: mssdmn.exe using high cpu

2002-11-05 Thread William Lefkovics
OMG that thing was a pig! 1) Install Office 2) Stop Findfast! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Trent Hancock Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: mssdmn.exe using high cpu

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Hutchins, Mike
exmerge -Original Message- From: Kleciak, Clint D N21 [mailto:Clint.Kleciak;CIGNA.COM] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails Any such functionality or third product tool? thanks Clint

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
Yes. -Original Message- From: Kleciak, Clint D N21 [mailto:Clint.Kleciak;CIGNA.COM] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Any such functionality or third product tool? thanks Clint

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Stephen Grant
I'm running Sybari's Antigen. As well as being an antivirus product you can filter out subject line words and sender domains. Steve -Original Message- From: Kleciak, Clint D N21 [mailto:Clint.Kleciak;CIGNA.COM] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread David Gibbons
To reply.. 1. *Grin* Not yet... 2. Another good example that I will include in my report 3. I respect your thoughts and guidance. I also enjoy your, hum..., colorful(?) insight in regards to, um getting your point a crossed to those that think they know what they are doing yet lack the

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
Here's another reason not to use RBL's. I just did a SamSpade search on the IP's for our Mail servers...and we were listed in OrbzIn and OrbzOut! Wanna know why? Here's why: Why am I listed in ORBZ? Currently, every IP on the Internet is listed in ORBZ. This was done to encourage

Re: Moving E2k storage group to new Server

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
Well, the easiest way to do this is to install another E2K server and simply move the mailboxes to the new server. Now, the only thing that might throw a wrench into this for you is running sbs2k. And, I have repeatedly stated this and let me go on record as stating that SBS is a terrible product

RE: Exchange 2000 and GC

2002-11-05 Thread Stidley, Joel
You also want to consider the more applications/processes you run the more likely one of them will stop working. This translates into downtime. If for some reason your GC stops replicating or answering requests and the normal recovery steps don't work, you may have to reboot. It is the same for

Re: Outlook 2002 contacts

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
If you are talking about looking at the public folder, switch to Address Card view OR use View | Current View | Customize Current View and add the Email field. If you are talking about selecting from the Address Book, then if you are using Outlook 2000 and these are SMTP addresses, then the

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Matt Natkin
Very true..We have hosted exchange for business and we get the sh-t spammed out of us. But we do not block any email! That may change as our customers are complaining bitterly. The best solution we would like is a filter on the client side and not the server side. MacAfee spam kill product looks

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread David N. Precht
The delete key works here -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Baker, Jennifer Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 16:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Cripes. How many people do I have to blacklist before

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread David N. Precht
Sam Adams? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of King, John Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 15:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Never listen to sales schmucks anyways... RBL = Real Boston Lager...

RE: Exchange 2000 Active Directory Attributes

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
$arse1 reporting for duty. Chris has everything right here, especially about how to think of accounts and mailboxes. There are dozens of fields that you can test for to determine whether or not an account is mailbox-enabled. One such field is msExchHomeServerName. The other item to note here is

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Kleciak, Clint D N21
OK,,,any details on such product? thanks Clint -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails Yes. -Original

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
And Antigen will be coming out 1st Qtr. 2003 with anti-spam and message and attachment scanning. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Stephen Grant [mailto:grant;fsna.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Kleciak, Clint D N21
Mike: I toke a look at Exmerge but in only appears you can scan on attachment names or subject of email, please correct if I am incorrect. I am looking for something that will scan emails that might contain certain phrases or words Thanks for your reply Clint -Original

Re: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Hlabse
Exmerge searches do no include the body of text. Subject line only. Use Find under tools on Outlook to do searches based on body text. - Original Message - From: Hutchins, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:00 PM Subject:

RE: Interesting EX2K migration solution

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
Looks like a plan. I'll assume from 9. that this is talking about your Exchange Organization A, which you are doing a Typical Migration on (put E2K servers into your E55 org and move users). As for the Exchange Ogranization B, which you have selected to use EXMERGE, this is a Foreign Mail System

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread David Gibbons
Mr. Scharff, I do monitor the postmaster email box and have tried and tried to ease up on the content filter but HR is HR and we provide a service to our company no matter how flawed I feel their thinking my be on issues that they do not fully understand. I thank you for this information and

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Martin Blackstone
That's friggin crazy!! Why don't they just turn the thing off? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Here's another reason not to use RBL's. I just did a SamSpade

RE: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Bennett, Joshua
Not really an option. The scenario is this: The one remote server is in San Diego that used to be connected to the other remote server in Irvine, CA by an X.400 connector over a T1. The only server that was connected to the hub server on the E. Coast was the one in Irvine. There was

Change to different organization without losing SIS??

2002-11-05 Thread Alverson, Tom
From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to

RE: Front-end OWA issues

2002-11-05 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
You may also need to do this to prevent the Default Website from reverting back to the domain name instead of \ start CMD and go to C:\Inetpub\AdminScripts then run: cscript.exe adsutil.vbs set w3svc/1/root/defaultlogonDomain \ -Original Message- From: Julian Stone

Re: RBL's / STFU

2002-11-05 Thread John Q Jr.
What is STFU?[1] - John Q Jr. [1] I just HAD to, as to those of you that MUST reply to this, don't! http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/575e - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002

RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server

2002-11-05 Thread Ken Cornetet
You know what they say: opinions are like, well never mind... Personally, I think SBS is a fantastic product, provided you keep it's limitations in mind up front. Yes, it would be a pain to upgrade, but my guess is that the vast majority of SBS installations would never face that task. Most

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
Right, if you could set up filers per domain, and delegate administration of those filters to the business being hosted, that'd be ideal. Unilaterally imposing filtering criteria (much as an RBL does) would generally be sub-optimal. -Original Message- From: Matt Natkin

Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS??

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
If you go the PST route, you are still breaking SIS, you have just made it the user's problem. You are correct that this is a big problem of email migrations. If you are extremely concerned about this, then you are really limiting your options as far as migration is concerned. I would like to

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
Clint, Let's take a step back here for a minute. Exactly what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to scan all incoming and outgoing mail or are you trying to scan your information stores, or both, or something else? They are two different problems with different solutions, although some

RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
Actually, a better solution would be to get a couple of paper MCP's, sign up for being a MCSP and get the software for free. A couple grand for some tests and a couple grand for your MCSP and you are there. And now you do not have to live with all of the limitations of SBS. And in all honesty,

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Finch Brett
I've watched this thread for a while. I don't buy the argument that a ten million deal will fail because of a bounced email via RBL. It's just as likely that a dept. with predominant females could sue for fifteen million for sexual harassment in the fact the company with the ten million dollar

RE: Instant Messaging Troubleshooting

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
So IM is vile and inhuman technology, but email isn't? :) I have to say, you've always got a different perspective on things, Craig! I have to admit that if you have the time, I would personally LOVE to hear your thoughts on this subject. You always had good insights on UM and other technologies

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Christopher Hummert
www.sybari.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Kleciak, Clint D N21 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails OK,,,any details on

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
Insufficient problem description. Resubmit a more technically accurate query and perhaps. -Original Message- From: Kleciak, Clint D N21 [mailto:Clint.Kleciak;CIGNA.COM] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions OK,,,any details on such product? thanks

RE: Exchange 2000 Active Directory Attributes

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
I'd always categorized you as $arse0 Greg[1], but thanks for the additional information. I think Ron had also previously asked about metadirectory tools, some of which might be able to provide significant assistance in developing an overall data synchronization strategy. [1] g -Original

RE: Moving E2k storage group to new Server

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Deckler
Thought long and hard about letting this go, but where is the fun in that? First, to answer the migration piece of this. The only option I can think of at this time would be to treat the SBS Exchange system as a foreign mail system, meaning export and import mailbox data to migrate. Migration

RE: Exchange 2000 and GC

2002-11-05 Thread kanee
The way to do it is have a cisco local redirector in front of your 2 GC and then do a load balancing rule on the cisco local redirector to send all traffic to gc1 untill processor threshold reaches 80% and then after 80% to send traffic to GC2 this way gc1 will answer all requests until its

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
As part of an overall spam strategy, implemented using an umbrella approach unseen by myself in any currently shipping content filtering software, use of RBLs as a metric in message disposition might actually be useful. Anything which attempts to categorize a gray-scale world into black and white

RE: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in emails

2002-11-05 Thread David N. Precht
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=312 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Kleciak, Clint D N21 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:02 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: scan Ex2000 for phrases or certain words in

Re: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Hlabse
- Original Message - From: Bennett, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: RE: X.400 issues Not really an option. The scenario is this: The one remote server is in San Diego that used to be connected to

Re: X.400 issues

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Hlabse
What does usage on task manager look like when the server's MTA gets backed up. Maybe it's the box itself. - Original Message - From: Bennett, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: RE: X.400 issues Not

Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS??

2002-11-05 Thread Tony Hlabse
What is your question then? - Original Message - From: Alverson, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Change to different organization without losing SIS?? From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and

RE: RBL's / STFU

2002-11-05 Thread Great Cthulhu Jones
Shut The Fr*ntpage Up. (:= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-274642;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of John Q Jr. Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RBL's / STFU What is STFU?[1] - John Q Jr. [1] I just HAD to, as

Quick SMTP cluster question

2002-11-05 Thread Kelley, Jason
Can an exchange 2000 active/passive cluster host an SMTP connector or would the SMTP connector have to reside on a dedicated bridgehead server? Most of the articles I find say that SMTP protocol is supported on a cluster but I do not know if the SMTP connector is supported. Thanks - Jason

RE: RBL's

2002-11-05 Thread Chris Scharff
I've never heard of a single instance where a lawsuit was initiated against an organization based on incoming *spam*. Can you point to one? I can point to deals which didn't get done because of RBLs which resulted in real monetary loss, which would seem to make one more likely than the other