Restricting who can send to a DL

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Pethick

Hello

I have an distribution list and I wish to limit who can send to it.

I have already restricted which internal users can do this by adding them in
the accept messages from list in the delivery restriction tab of exchange
admin. And this works fine

I now need to allow one external address to be able to send to this
distribution list.
What I have done is 
create custom recipient for the external address
add the custom recipient to the list of address the DL is allowed to
accept messages from.

Whenever the external user sends a message to the DL they get the following
error


Your message

  To: distribution list 
  Subject: whatever the subject is
  Sent:Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:08:15 +0100

did not reach the following recipient(s):

Distribution list name on Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:09:22 +0100
A restriction in the system prevented delivery of the message.
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=CAE Electronics
;l=CAEUKEX010110041509TRT4MQ8J
MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:CAEPLC:CAEUKEX01


Have I missed something when I was setting this up or am I just doing this
the wrong way.
Any suggestions as to how to resolve this problem greatly received.

We are currently running EX5.5 SP3 

Many thanks
Kevin


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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread Ghaleed Nortje

???

What's your scenario? We could maybe help you.

Ghaleed

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Sent: 05 October 2001 06:41
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?



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RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server

2001-10-05 Thread Allison Wittstock

No, it had been delivered by the linux mail server.  She was just moving these
old eMails to her new Exchange Mail Box.
At the time she was moving the mails from the .pst to the Mail Box, her new
mails were being delievered to her Mail Box Inbox on the Exchange Server.

I ran ScanPST over 7 times now, and still there is no error.


On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
 And the internet mail was delivered to the PST by your Exchange server?
 
 I think DumpsterAlwaysOn will do it unless this was a connection directly to
 the ISP.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:39 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
 
 
 Yes.  And she had the remove mail from Server option set on her client.
 
 
 
 n Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
  Wll, how did they get delivered there?  Was she on Internet Mail only
 prior?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:45 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
  
  
  I think I have confused you? Or not explained myself.
  Her mails were on her .pst.   Her Outlook was set up for using Exchange
  Server.
  She opened her old .pst temporarily, to move old eMails FROM the .pst TO
 the
  Server.   
  From your explanation, I think you thought they were on the Server,
  then moved to .pst.
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
   They had to be on some server at sometime, before they ended up in the
 PST
   on the User's HD.  
   MailServerMail in Inbox on MailServer.
   Users starts client,mail leaves Inbox of Mailserver, gets delivered to
  inbox
   of PST.
   Go to the OLD Server Or where ever the mail was and try to recover what
  ever
   was lost via the Deleted Item Retention time and the dumpster always on
  Reg
   hack.  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:35 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
   
   
   Can you explain how the deleted item retention would work, 
   if the eMails
   probably weren't on the Server to begin with?
   I also looked on Slipstick.com, but the apps seemed to be 
   for .psts that are
   corrupted. This one doesn't seem to be.
   
   
   
   On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
Second thoughtDo you buy chance have deleted item 
   rention time turned
on?  If so, with the dumpster always on reg hack you 
   should be able to
recover at least mail for the amount of days you have 
   retention time
set...

Where was the personal folder stored?  PC...?  Network 
   share?  If share, was
it backed up?  

How important is this info that is lost?  Is it worth 
   $245..if so, you might
want to call PSS.  I don't think they'll charge if they 
   can't help...

Have you looked at Slipstick.com...?

PST files blow, don't they...?

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
   Get yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
   the P stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
   admin)... Jim Schwartz
8-16-01


-Original Message-
From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server


I have opened the file, but I do not see a Lost  Found folder.

I tried to count the items, and I can account for about 
2/3's of the 2697
items.  Her deleted items were ALL of her emails.

Is there anything else I can do to this .pst to recover the 
lost items?  They
have to be somewhere, no?

Yes, I have seen your quote, but the fact is, I'm the
Administrator and I am expected to solve any technical 
problem for my users.

Allison Wittstock



On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
 Could be...I've seen users with Tens of thousands of items 
and only have
 25MB.  On the other hand I've seen users with about a few 
hundred items and
 be well over 400MB.  You will have to open up the file and 
look.   Also,
 look for a Lost  Found folder in the Scanned PST.  
 PS Have you seen the Jim Schwartz quote below my 
   signature?
 
 Matthew
 Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
Get yours today!
 http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
 
 Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
the P stands for
 Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
admin)... Jim Schwartz
 8-16-01
 
 
 
 
 

RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread QUINN, Chris

What makes you think he's a limey?  Dutch name with an Australian domain
(based in Tasmania) does not equal English!

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2001 08:13
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


Get a real job you limey

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:40 AM
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?




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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji

How can you know it will always a bad thing?

- Original Message - 
From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Van Huissteden,
 Adriaan
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore
 
 
 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks
 
 Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
 Network Administrator
 Connect Credit Union
 Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread QUINN, Chris

And if he was English in Australia, he'd be a Pom, not a Limey!

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2001 08:13
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


Get a real job you limey

- Original Message -
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:40 AM
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?




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RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server

2001-10-05 Thread Allison Wittstock

Hello Lori, Matthew,

I was told to drop this task. But thank you for your help and patience.

Allison Wittstock


On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
 And the internet mail was delivered to the PST by your Exchange server?
 
 I think DumpsterAlwaysOn will do it unless this was a connection directly to
 the ISP.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:39 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
 
 
 Yes.  And she had the remove mail from Server option set on her client.
 
 
 
 n Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
  Wll, how did they get delivered there?  Was she on Internet Mail only
 prior?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:45 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
  
  
  I think I have confused you? Or not explained myself.
  Her mails were on her .pst.   Her Outlook was set up for using Exchange
  Server.
  She opened her old .pst temporarily, to move old eMails FROM the .pst TO
 the
  Server.   
  From your explanation, I think you thought they were on the Server,
  then moved to .pst.
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
   They had to be on some server at sometime, before they ended up in the
 PST
   on the User's HD.  
   MailServerMail in Inbox on MailServer.
   Users starts client,mail leaves Inbox of Mailserver, gets delivered to
  inbox
   of PST.
   Go to the OLD Server Or where ever the mail was and try to recover what
  ever
   was lost via the Deleted Item Retention time and the dumpster always on
  Reg
   hack.  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:35 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
   
   
   Can you explain how the deleted item retention would work, 
   if the eMails
   probably weren't on the Server to begin with?
   I also looked on Slipstick.com, but the apps seemed to be 
   for .psts that are
   corrupted. This one doesn't seem to be.
   
   
   
   On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
Second thoughtDo you buy chance have deleted item 
   rention time turned
on?  If so, with the dumpster always on reg hack you 
   should be able to
recover at least mail for the amount of days you have 
   retention time
set...

Where was the personal folder stored?  PC...?  Network 
   share?  If share, was
it backed up?  

How important is this info that is lost?  Is it worth 
   $245..if so, you might
want to call PSS.  I don't think they'll charge if they 
   can't help...

Have you looked at Slipstick.com...?

PST files blow, don't they...?

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
   Get yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
   the P stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
   admin)... Jim Schwartz
8-16-01


-Original Message-
From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server


I have opened the file, but I do not see a Lost  Found folder.

I tried to count the items, and I can account for about 
2/3's of the 2697
items.  Her deleted items were ALL of her emails.

Is there anything else I can do to this .pst to recover the 
lost items?  They
have to be somewhere, no?

Yes, I have seen your quote, but the fact is, I'm the
Administrator and I am expected to solve any technical 
problem for my users.

Allison Wittstock



On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
 Could be...I've seen users with Tens of thousands of items 
and only have
 25MB.  On the other hand I've seen users with about a few 
hundred items and
 be well over 400MB.  You will have to open up the file and 
look.   Also,
 look for a Lost  Found folder in the Scanned PST.  
 PS Have you seen the Jim Schwartz quote below my 
   signature?
 
 Matthew
 Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
Get yours today!
 http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
 
 Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
the P stands for
 Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
admin)... Jim Schwartz
 8-16-01
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:30 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server

Disaster Recovery

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

In light of the recent WTC tragedy, I was wondering if anyone on the list
had lost exchange servers, or were forced into DR by the situation?

How did you handle business continuity, and was there anything that you
learnt that would change your strategy going forward?  How long did it take
you to get things back online?

I'm guessing that there are admins out there that were in this situation
that had to get mail going in order to keep the (global) enterprise
functioning.

Amir

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs BLB's
then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.  

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


How can you know it will always a bad thing?

- Original Message - 
From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
Van Huissteden,
 Adriaan
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore
 
 
 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on 
Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks
 
 Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
 Network Administrator
 Connect Credit Union
 Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Scanmail=NO
Interscan=Yes

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?




Adriaan Van Huissteden

Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji

MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Couch, Nate

Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
time and tons more tape than necessary.

You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
users.

Nate Couch
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 From: Amir El Aziq
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
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 Subject:  Re: Restore
 
 Scenario:
 5 users in the organisation.
 1 server for file/print/email
 Full Online Exchange backup every night.
 Exchange BLB every night also.
 Data backup every night.
 All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
 Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
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  Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
 BLB's
  then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Restore
  
  
  How can you know it will always a bad thing?
  
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   Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
  
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   Precht
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   Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
  
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   Subject: Restore
  
  
   Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
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   Thanks
  
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   Network Administrator
   Connect Credit Union
   Phone: (03) 6233 0660
  
  
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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread Tener, Richard

lmao at the email address

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients with
the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution lists
with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up with dummy
addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both to the DL? I'm
not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on cold medication and
may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben  Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
  exchange.maincampus.epsteinatlanta.org #5.1.4 

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread Shields, Anthony

LOL...That's some good cold medicine!

Well, I gave up trying and am now putting the all the addresses in to a
contacts public folder.  Not sure I like having it this way yet but
haven't found any other alternatives.

The idea of distribution lists is valid, except the teachers should be
able to email a parent individually and by groups.  We wouldn't want the
group to get an email saying your son failed a science test - when it
only applied to one student - talk about the phone calls the teacher
would get.



-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


lmao at the email address

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients
with the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution
lists with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up
with dummy addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both
to the DL? I'm not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on
cold medication and may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben  Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
  exchange.maincampus.epsteinatlanta.org #5.1.4 

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!

2001-10-05 Thread Bauer, Mr. Rick

A note of gratitude:

We fixed a problem with our Exchange 2000 server 2 nights ago, and we did it
without spending any additional money. 
We are a school that doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on incident calls
to Redmond, and we would prefer to spend our money on our students and
faculty.

I got great information from the folks on the listserve, delivered with
speed, accuracy, and it was a wonderful experience. I checked the FAQ before
I posted, but still couldn't find the exact solution to my problem. To think
what I would have had to pay to get this solution (or the horror in having
to report to my community that the problem could not be fixed) still
frightens me.

We're not brilliant, but we're not idiots, either. I will gladly take the
slings and sarcasms and witticisms (and occasional flashes of literary
greatness--not you Martin--and concern) to wade into this source of
knowledge and genuine (when you filter out all the posing and kvetching)
professional pride in running a top-flight messaging operation for our
companies. We know a bargain when we see one.

So thanks, guys (oops, gals, too--Missy, I worship the ground you walk on!).


We don't get out much, but if events ever bring you near Philly, please come
by and we'll buy as many rounds as necessary to let you know how much we
appreciate all the folks who contribute, who inform, and who challenge us to
do better, be more proactive, be more self-managing and knowledgeable about
these communication tools that so many depend on. Last time I checked, this
wasn't a pay-for-play site, but it sure could be. 

Thanks again for all the help (okay, cue the music, grab the marshmallows,
and let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya).

(shit, I knew I couldn't get this into a haiku for Friday)

Rick Bauer
The Hill School

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RE: Disaster Recovery

2001-10-05 Thread Gordon Olson

We have a DR plan in place. We test recovery every six months. We fly out of
state to a Sungard facility with only our backup tapes, our documentation
(which we keep off site) and restore our system. For exchange, use the FAQ
of course and the DR one and two whitepapers off technet.

We restore everything including the Unix boxes, NT\2000, Terminal
servers\Citrix, LAN and WAN. We have a separate PVC pointing to Phoenix
location we use to restore the WAN. 

Everytime we do this we learn a ton more about being prepared. 

Exchange was the one and only thing that we had an issue with on the last
trip and that was a backupexec thing, we now use NTbackup and have practice
a few restores, piece of cake using NTBACKUP.

We have had two exchange failures in the last three years, I won't talk
about the first one but the second one was back up in less then three hours.

Hope that helps,

Gordon 

-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disaster Recovery


In light of the recent WTC tragedy, I was wondering if anyone on the list
had lost exchange servers, or were forced into DR by the situation?

How did you handle business continuity, and was there anything that you
learnt that would change your strategy going forward?  How long did it take
you to get things back online?

I'm guessing that there are admins out there that were in this situation
that had to get mail going in order to keep the (global) enterprise
functioning.

Amir

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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate the
drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad for
_everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.  Or am
I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
 time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
 almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
 users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

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  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in
2k ?
   
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Van Huissteden,
Adriaan
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
Adriaan Van Huissteden
   
Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
Phone: (03) 6233 0660
   
   
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller

If you need to restore from BLBs with 5 users there really something
wrong. Check out the Ed never restore method in the FAQ.

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Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
 more time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
 would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
 so few users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

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  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

2k ?
   
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Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
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Phone: (03) 6233 0660
   
   
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Bad habits are Bad habits.  If you have them, you will continue to use
them.  BLB's are a Bad Habit.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
 Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
 more time and tons more tape than necessary.

 You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
 would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
 so few users.

 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging

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  From: Amir El Aziq
  Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Restore
 
  Scenario:
  5 users in the organisation.
  1 server for file/print/email
  Full Online Exchange backup every night.
  Exchange BLB every night also.
  Data backup every night.
  All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
 
  Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Restore
  
  
   Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
   needs
  BLB's
   then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Re: Restore
   
   
   How can you know it will always a bad thing?
   
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   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
   Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
   
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David N. Precht
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore
   
   
Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

2k ?
   
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Subject: Restore
   
   
Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
   Exchange Server 2K?
Thanks
   
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.
I know how to admin my exchange boxes.  I have never, nor will I ever need
to restore a single mailbox.  I use proven methods, not the crutch termed
BLB.  Now go away you TROLL

Matthew

No. No. Please don't give me all the details.  It's more fun if you keep me
in the dark.



-Original Message-
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is 
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
true in 2k ?
 
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this work?
What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc? Technically,
it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
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Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread alantzos

I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000  no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller

/forestprep /domainprep ? DDNS setup correctly. Did you install as an
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I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5
on it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start
ok, but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000  no-one has
accessAlso non of the connectors work.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

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Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:12 AM
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Subject: Licensing


Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
Technically, it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines
as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Robert Moir



-Original Message-
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Sent: 05/10/01 13:03
Subject: Re: Restore

 Scenario:
 5 users in the organisation.
 1 server for file/print/email
 Full Online Exchange backup every night.
 Exchange BLB every night also.
 Data backup every night.
 All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

 Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.

You have reduced the scale of your exchange system to a size where the bad
points of BLBs have not yet reared up and bit your mythical scenario admin.
That still doesn't make BLBs a good idea, in the same way that one hit of
heroin probably won't kill you, but it still might not be a good idea to
take some.

I could send all of your users a bunch of large emails (say 5 emails of
100mb to all 5 users) and your single-instance-storage-breaking BLB backup
isn't quite so elegant anymore.

Regards
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Bauer, Mr. Rick

There are 2 VERY DIFFERENT animals--corporate MC licensing and academic
licensing. Even the Redmond folks don't always know the difference.

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Licensing


Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
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as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

because it's not the way Exchange was designed, and you want to have your
third-party solutions be designed to work with your mission critical apps,
not the other way around.

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How can you know it will always a bad thing?

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Subject: RE: Restore


 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.

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 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?

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 Adriaan
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 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
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 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

assuming she has the time in the day, yes.  Assuming the BLB doesn't corrupt
the database, like it did at my company -- the mail admin is still getting
crap from the CEO for losing parts of his mail.

When I was still admin-ing Exchange on a regular basis, there WAS no BLB --
and yet, somehow, I wasn't restoring from backup every two or three days.
Deleted Item Retention and Dumpsteralwayson are all you really need, unless
you actually have a disaster -- and then you're doing a disaster recovery
anyway.

Can it work?  Sure.  Can you guarantee it will work?  Heck, no.

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
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  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
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  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
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  Adriaan
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Is there a secure Exchange 5.5, CDO 1.21, IIS 5.0 configurati on?

2001-10-05 Thread Ken Cornetet

Doesn't CDO have an SMTP method? Use it.

Use Blat.exe to send SMTP.

Use ASPMail (http://www.aspemail.com/)

Write your code in Perl and use Net::SMTP.

Outgoing SMTP should not pose a security risk. 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Lief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Is there a secure Exchange 5.5, CDO 1.21, IIS 5.0
configuration?



Excuse me if this topic has been discussed before but I'm new to the group.


Here's our environment configuration:

***IIS 5.0 server running under local IUSR account with CDO 1.21 installed.
No Outlook installed, no SMTP service running.  This is the way we'd like to
keep it.

***Separate Exchange 5.5 server.

Our goal is to use CDO to send e-mail from a secure IIS server via the
Exchange server.  

From what I've been able to dig up regarding the above environment
configuration it is only possible to send messages with Exchange via a
Windows NT domain account that Exchange is able to validate.  Because our
IIS machine is running under a local machine account, we are unable to use
CDO to interface with the Exchange machine.

We've tried to impersonate a domain user as outlined on 
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q248/1/87.asp without luck.

We've also verified that setting the IIS anonymous account to use a domain
account does in fact work.  We believe this to be a terribly insecure
configuration.  Is this incorrect?  Why would anyone allow an IIS box to run
under an NT domain account?  Are there any other options?

Thanks for your help,

Scott


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread alantzos

I upgraded NT to 2000, the DCpromo ran shortly after.  It ran ok, and the
domain functions in mixed mode with  all groups  users retained.

The upgrade installed the DNS service  configured it for me.

The Windows 2000 was an upgrade, so was the Exchange 2000.

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 05 October 2001 14:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Can I not do this?


/forestprep /domainprep ? DDNS setup correctly. Did you install as an
upgrade or a fresh install?? 

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Can I not do this?


I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000  no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.

Daniel,

Let me tell you something from experience.  I use to get pissy when everyone
would say rude things to me cause of some of my posts.  You just have to
look past the sarcasim (which is pretty funny at times) cause people will
help you with what you need.  And I believe this list is very appropriate
for you question.  Just lighten up some.  Don't take everything to heart.
Most of the time when they are getting on you, they are trying to help you.
They may not come right out and tell you, but they are trying to help you
push yourself for the answers.  All I can say is just relax...and let the
good times roll!!

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Hmmm... I've been rude before and if you thought that was rude I've got
an eye opening experience for you...

Now back to your subject...  Any one of us could give you any kind of
advice on MS licensing issues.  However, when you get audited and you're
asked where you got your information.  What are you going to tell them?
Well uh, the guys on this Exchange list group told me that I could do it
this way...  Soon after you'll quite possibly be paying a fine for
incorrect licensing and wondering why versus calling your sales rep and
having them clarifying your licensing in writing so you don't get
burned.

Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on
this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't 
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although
it's possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is
an appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange
admins. if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list,
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SystemMailbox (Not System Attendant) - Ex2k

2001-10-05 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)

ex2k srvr
3 storage groups 
11 db's

For various reasons, I renamed the .edb for DB1 in Storage Group 1 and let
the db recreate itself.  The System Attendant was created (as it should)
however, the SystemMailbox has *not* re-created itself.

I haven't been able to find the SystemMailbox in any of the books I have,
and technet doesn't say much very useful about it, except one little
ambiguous altering items in the system mailbox may cause detrimental
effects to the stability of the Exchange 2000 environment.

1. Does anyone have a reference/resource about the SystemMailbox?
2. What is it/what does it do/how screwed did I just make myself?
3. Does it eventually re-create itself?  Is there something somewhere
explaining what to do if it's gone?

Ali Wilkes
Borders Group, Inc.

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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread John Allhiser

Don't want to step on any toes, (Ed, Mike) but that was a Saturday Night Live
skit.
It was about a major bank that had cutting-edge, quality products, but neglected
to 
register a domain name.  Subsequently they were one of the last to get on the
Internet.
Hence the clownpenis.fart...

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer 
Business Men's Assurance
 

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients with
the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution lists
with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up with dummy
addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both to the DL? I'm
not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on cold medication and
may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben  Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
  exchange.maincampus.epsteinatlanta.org #5.1.4 

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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RE: Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!

2001-10-05 Thread Garrish, Robert B.

Dear Rick,

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-Original Message-
From: Bauer, Mr. Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 08:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!


A note of gratitude:

We fixed a problem with our Exchange 2000 server 2 nights ago, and we did it
without spending any additional money. 
We are a school that doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on incident calls
to Redmond, and we would prefer to spend our money on our students and
faculty.

I got great information from the folks on the listserve, delivered with
speed, accuracy, and it was a wonderful experience. I checked the FAQ before
I posted, but still couldn't find the exact solution to my problem. To think
what I would have had to pay to get this solution (or the horror in having
to report to my community that the problem could not be fixed) still
frightens me.

We're not brilliant, but we're not idiots, either. I will gladly take the
slings and sarcasms and witticisms (and occasional flashes of literary
greatness--not you Martin--and concern) to wade into this source of
knowledge and genuine (when you filter out all the posing and kvetching)
professional pride in running a top-flight messaging operation for our
companies. We know a bargain when we see one.

So thanks, guys (oops, gals, too--Missy, I worship the ground you walk on!).


We don't get out much, but if events ever bring you near Philly, please come
by and we'll buy as many rounds as necessary to let you know how much we
appreciate all the folks who contribute, who inform, and who challenge us to
do better, be more proactive, be more self-managing and knowledgeable about
these communication tools that so many depend on. Last time I checked, this
wasn't a pay-for-play site, but it sure could be. 

Thanks again for all the help (okay, cue the music, grab the marshmallows,
and let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya).

(shit, I knew I couldn't get this into a haiku for Friday)

Rick Bauer
The Hill School

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Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

 Now do you see why some of us don't like talking about it?  :)

well, i sense that it's a touchy subject here. perhaps this should be
mentioned in the FAQ?

thanks for your advice, by the way.

dan.

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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq

 Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

 Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
 tape drive.

Uh huh..

 The wrath of the list.  :P

List wrath  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to Road Rage.
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

[1] There will always be exceptions [2]
[2] I hate you all [3]
[3] Not all, just some.[4]
[4] I may have loved those people in a previous life


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

 Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on
 this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that said,
i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Robert Moir



 -Original Message-
 From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 05 October 2001 15:32
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
  Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going 
 to rely on 
  this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
 
 nor would i. 
 
 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that 
 into consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
 
 maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and 
 unhelfpful. that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

But that's a natural reaction to previous licence horror stories that we've
seen on the list[1] rather than anything personal against you.

[1] and of course for the stories to get to the list, some have had personal
experience.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Renouf, Phillip

There is nothing to consider. What MS and your Licensing rep say is all
there is to it. It doesn't matter if what they've told me is different from
what they told you, what they tell you is the licensing you are bound to. 

There is nothing to consider about that.

The only person qualified to talk to you about licensing is the sales rep
you buy your licenses from. Not even an MS licensing sales guy on this list
can tell you what your licensing scheme is.

Hell even our MS sales guy refers us to our licensing rep when we have
licensing questions!

Phil

 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
 consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?

Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS says?  We
can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not going to rely on
it, why ask?

Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on 
 this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that said,
i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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exchange 5.5 and proxy to isa upgrade

2001-10-05 Thread bentley

We are looking to upgrade our  NT 4.6a proxy 2.0 to a w2k isa server.  Do
we need to make any changes to our 5.5 exch (specifically the wspcfg.ini
files) for our mail to still go through the IMC that is behind the
proxy\isa?  I have read that we can disable the proxy services which will
allow us to simply upgrade to w2k and then install isa (no removal of
proxy) has anyone tried this?  Does it manage to keep any configurations
from the proxy 2 and pass them on to the isa?

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread John Allhiser

No soup for you!

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer 
Business Men's Assurance
 

-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


 Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

 Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
 tape drive.

Uh huh..

 The wrath of the list.  :P

List wrath  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to Road Rage.
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

[1] There will always be exceptions [2]
[2] I hate you all [3]
[3] Not all, just some.[4]
[4] I may have loved those people in a previous life


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Pretty tough to offend me... So no apology necessary.  :o)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on

 this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that
said, i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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Mynhier
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday


I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)

My head does not hurt
I only drink coffee so
I am just jumpy

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen
Mynhier
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday


I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Mynhier
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:33 AM
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Subject: Haiku Friday


I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Hatley, Ken

Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off?
-dumb

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Subject: Haiku Friday

I rolled out of bed.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

Coffee sounds good now
Hard to think in 5 - 7 - 5
Asleep but upright


-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


My head does not hurt
I only drink coffee so
I am just jumpy

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen Mynhier
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
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I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Posting twice, Go punish your self

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it 
always wasBAD

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is bad. the 
market has many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville 
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
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 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.

Ain't nothing like some 99 cent 8 Ball...lol woo hooo

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


cRaZy 8's - Olde English 800!!

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had
flashbacks of high school again.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

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each other. (Mother Theresa)

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

I got up to check my email so now I am sitting here half asleep trying to
figure out what it was that I had to do today...

Besides, why would anyone in their right mind miss Haiku Friday... Hmmm...
Let me rethink that last statement...

Stephen

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:48 AM
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Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off? -dumb

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier

Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that I ever will
again. 

Stephen

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Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had flashbacks
of high school again.

 
John Bowles
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From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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you don't trust enough. - Frank Crane

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.

Yea I know...LOL only thing I can remember is the horrendous hangovers and
taking 2 days to recover.

 
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
licensing rep, but I asked because:

a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
d) i didn't think anyone would mind.


 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
 consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?
 
 Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
 licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what 
 MS says?  We
 can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not 
 going to rely on
 it, why ask?
 
 Stephen
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
  Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going 
 to rely on 
  this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
 
 nor would i. 
 
 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
 consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
 
 maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and 
 unhelfpful. that said,
 i'm sorry if I've offended you. 
 
 dan.
 
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RE: exchange FOLDERS

2001-10-05 Thread Soysal, Serdar

Non-Governmental Organization

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NGO ?

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I guess you didn't know that Microsoft is actually a non-profit NGO.

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What?? A huge company in it for the money? Say it's not so!



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No I did research TechNet a long time ago and they gave me 3 
resources that
had to do with my error on OWA but it seems like it didn't apply to my
problem.  Plus I really don't think Microsoft is that great 
when it comes to
helping people with their software, sometimes it seems to me 
that they are
in it for the money.  Its kind of ridiculous when you can only 
get support
from Microsoft if you pay a monthly or yearly fee.  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS


That's it!!  I am hereby relinquishing my tech buddy assistance.  It
has become apparent that you do not care to learn for yourself and I as
well as the rest of us are NOT going to baby you through Exchange.

Maybe...  Just maybe if you had one inkling of a clue you'd know how to
search TechNet and other resources for such matters.  I've never had a
great deal of trouble researching TechNet.  In fact, I find very useful
information there almost daily as I would imagine others 
around here do.
Maybe the problem is NOT TechNet, but YOU.

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yea I can never find crap that I want on technet.

-Original Message-
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Hanji Jr., 
No it's not...Have you been introduced to TechNet, yet?
www.microsoft.com/technet  

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get 
yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P 
stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)... Jim
Schwartz 8-16-01


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Does anyone know if the exchsrvr directory is shared by default.

Thanks
Rich

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Joel Musheno

I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

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From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that I ever will
again. 

Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had
flashbacks
of high school again.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
 


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net

You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment
if
you don't trust enough. - Frank Crane

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
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What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

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Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

-Original Message-
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To: Exchange Discussions
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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment if
you don't trust enough. - Frank Crane

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.

I know trying to act all hard drinking that nasty a$$ stuff.  Unbelievable.

 
John Bowles
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I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
c) because that would grant an even greater liability -- people who didn't
know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get into trouble
without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
d) mind is a funny word... :P

As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is the final
word.  Sorry.

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
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If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and retaliation, if we
steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits always cause to
the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, then whatever
hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Licensing


well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
licensing rep, but I asked because:

a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
d) i didn't think anyone would mind.


 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
 consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?

 Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
 licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
 MS says?  We
 can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
 going to rely on
 it, why ask?

 Stephen

 -Original Message-
 From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing


  Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
 to rely on
  this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

 nor would i.

 i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
 consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

 maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
 unhelfpful. that said,
 i'm sorry if I've offended you.

 dan.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

I had a girl friend that would drink it by the glass.
One time I came in dying of thirst. Grabbed a glass of coke and chugged
a mouthful. Oops, that was Jaeger! I then proceeded to blow chunks all
over the floor.

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just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net

What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:59 AM
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Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net

You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment
if you don't trust enough. - Frank Crane

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Joel Musheno

now im 22 w/ the stomach of an 80yr old woman... smart, joel.

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I know trying to act all hard drinking that nasty a$$ stuff.
Unbelievable.

 
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I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

Bricked Backups do Suck,
You Need a better solution,
BLB won't do!

Ed's Never Restore
And DumpsterAlwaysOn is,
All you need, Hanji.



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Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that 
I ever will again. 

Stephen

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Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I 
just had flashbacks of high school again.

 
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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were 
suckin' down last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
belong to each other. (Mother Theresa)

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You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will 
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I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.

LOL LOL LOL LOL that's a classic.  Man that is hilarious.  Ahh
the good ole days.

 
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I had a girl friend that would drink it by the glass.
One time I came in dying of thirst. Grabbed a glass of coke and chugged
a mouthful. Oops, that was Jaeger! I then proceeded to blow chunks all
over the floor.

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just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

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What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

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Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

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each other. (Mother Theresa)

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if you don't trust enough. - Frank Crane

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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

Well, that's a good idea.

OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
BRICK LEVEL BACKUP AND THREE CUSTOM RECIPIENTS IN YOUR HONOR!!!

Could we have a bit in the FAQ that says xx.x Licensing: only your rep
knows for sure or something like that?

THE FAQ GHODS ARE BENIFICENT AND POWERFUL!!!  FEAR THEM, WORSHIP THEM, BOW
DOWN TO THEM!!!  THERE IS NO DANA, THERE IS ONLY THE FAQ GHODS!

We will now turn to the FAQ, section 2, part b.  Please rise whilst we sing
the recessional.

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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As You Shall Make Your Bed So Shall You... Mess It Up.

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:08 AM
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a) damn right
b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of licensing isn't
popular on the list, talk to your rep'
d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most sentences,
pronounced 'moynd'.

:)

 a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
 b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
 c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
 people who didn't
 know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get
 into trouble
 without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
 d) mind is a funny word... :P

 As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
 the final
 word.  Sorry.

 Drew
 
 If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
 belong to each
 other. (Mother Theresa)
 
 KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
 Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
 
 If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and
 retaliation, if we
 steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits
 always cause to
 the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death,
 then whatever
 hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
 won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Atkinson, Daniel
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing


 well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
 licensing rep, but I asked because:

 a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
 b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
 c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
 d) i didn't think anyone would mind.


  i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
  consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?
 
  Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
  licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
  MS says?  We
  can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
  going to rely on
  it, why ask?
 
  Stephen
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
   Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
  to rely on
   this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
 
  nor would i.
 
  i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
  consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
 
  maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
  unhelfpful. that said,
  i'm sorry if I've offended you.
 
  dan.
 
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

D) They also say mind at the beginning of one.  Like Mind the Gap  ;o)

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Daniel
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a) damn right
b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of licensing isn't
popular on the list, talk to your rep'
d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most
sentences, pronounced 'moynd'.

:)

 a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
 b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
 c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
 people who didn't
 know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get 
 into trouble
 without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
 d) mind is a funny word... :P
 
 As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
 the final
 word.  Sorry.
 
 Drew
 
 If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
 belong to each
 other. (Mother Theresa)
 
 KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
 Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
 
 If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and 
 retaliation, if we
 steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits 
 always cause to
 the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, 
 then whatever
 hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
 won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Atkinson, Daniel
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
 well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the 
 licensing rep, but I asked because:
 
 a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
 b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
 c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
 d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
 
 
  i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
  consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?
 
  Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like

  licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS 
  says?  We can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
  going to rely on
  it, why ask?
 
  Stephen
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
   Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
  to rely on
   this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
 
  nor would i.
 
  i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
  consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
 
  maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. 
  that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you.
 
  dan.
 
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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

Sacrifice BLB's to the gods? Are you trying to anger them Drew?

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OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

 D) They also say mind at the beginning of one.  Like Mind 
 the Gap  ;o)

you'd be amazed. people say things like:

mind yourself there, mind.

i don't mind you, but your friends no fun, mind.




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
 Daniel
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
 a) damn right
 b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
 c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of 
 licensing isn't
 popular on the list, talk to your rep'
 d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most
 sentences, pronounced 'moynd'.
 
 :)
 
  a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
  b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
  c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
  people who didn't
  know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get 
  into trouble
  without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
  d) mind is a funny word... :P
  
  As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
  the final
  word.  Sorry.
  
  Drew
  
  If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
  belong to each
  other. (Mother Theresa)
  
  KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
  Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
  
  If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and 
  retaliation, if we
  steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits 
  always cause to
  the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, 
  then whatever
  hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death 
 alone which has
  won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Atkinson, Daniel
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Licensing
  
  
  well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the 
  licensing rep, but I asked because:
  
  a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
  b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
  c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
  d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
  
  
   i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
   consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?
  
   Think through that statement again.  When it comes to 
 something like
 
   licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS 
   says?  We can't bust you for a license violation.  And if 
 you're not
   going to rely on
   it, why ask?
  
   Stephen
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Licensing
  
  
Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
   to rely on
this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
  
   nor would i.
  
   i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
   consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
  
   maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. 
   that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you.
  
   dan.
  
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RE: exchange FOLDERS

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

Thanks, never heard that acronym

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Non-Governmental Organization

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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
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NGO ?

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Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS



I guess you didn't know that Microsoft is actually a non-profit NGO.

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From: Les Bessant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


What?? A huge company in it for the money? Say it's not so!



-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


No I did research TechNet a long time ago and they gave me 3 
resources that
had to do with my error on OWA but it seems like it didn't apply to my
problem.  Plus I really don't think Microsoft is that great 
when it comes to
helping people with their software, sometimes it seems to me 
that they are
in it for the money.  Its kind of ridiculous when you can only 
get support
from Microsoft if you pay a monthly or yearly fee.  

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS


That's it!!  I am hereby relinquishing my tech buddy assistance.  It
has become apparent that you do not care to learn for yourself and I as
well as the rest of us are NOT going to baby you through Exchange.

Maybe...  Just maybe if you had one inkling of a clue you'd know how to
search TechNet and other resources for such matters.  I've never had a
great deal of trouble researching TechNet.  In fact, I find very useful
information there almost daily as I would imagine others 
around here do.
Maybe the problem is NOT TechNet, but YOU.

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Tener, Richard
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS


yea I can never find crap that I want on technet.

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From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:02 PM
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Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS


Hanji Jr., 
No it's not...Have you been introduced to TechNet, yet?
www.microsoft.com/technet  

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get 
yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P 
stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)... Jim
Schwartz 8-16-01


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Does anyone know if the exchsrvr directory is shared by default.

Thanks
Rich

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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

If I sacrifice one, it can't be used.  Isn't that the point?

Drew

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Blackstone
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Sacrifice BLB's to the gods? Are you trying to anger them Drew?

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 AM
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OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
BRICK LEVEL BACKUP AND THREE CUSTOM RECIPIENTS IN YOUR HONOR!!!


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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Kirsten . Petersen

Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack! 

-Kirsten

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Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say let's
try recreating the mailbox but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.  

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly. 

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski

If you can open it up yourself, I'd do that, export it all to PST, blow the
mailbox away, recreate and put the info back into the new mailbox.  You
should be able to do that without too much problems for her -- other than
being without her mailbox for a while.

Drew

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack!

-Kirsten

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
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Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say let's
try recreating the mailbox but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly.

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Herrick, Michael

Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB 
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had practiced restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

Needs the social interaction.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hatley, Ken
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:48 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off?
-dumb

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday

I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel

i tell you what, you're wasted in IT, get on the tv or something.


 OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL 
 SACRIFICE A
 BRICK LEVEL BACKUP AND THREE CUSTOM RECIPIENTS IN YOUR HONOR!!!
 
 Could we have a bit in the FAQ that says xx.x Licensing: 
 only your rep
 knows for sure or something like that?
 
 THE FAQ GHODS ARE BENIFICENT AND POWERFUL!!!  FEAR THEM, 
 WORSHIP THEM, BOW
 DOWN TO THEM!!!  THERE IS NO DANA, THERE IS ONLY THE FAQ GHODS!
 
 We will now turn to the FAQ, section 2, part b.  Please rise 
 whilst we sing
 the recessional.
 
 Drew
 
 If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
 belong to each
 other. (Mother Theresa)
 
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 As You Shall Make Your Bed So Shall You... Mess It Up.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
 Atkinson, Daniel
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
 a) damn right
 b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
 c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of 
 licensing isn't
 popular on the list, talk to your rep'
 d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of 
 most sentences,
 pronounced 'moynd'.
 
 :)
 
  a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
  b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
  c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
  people who didn't
  know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get
  into trouble
  without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
  d) mind is a funny word... :P
 
  As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
  the final
  word.  Sorry.
 
  Drew
  
  If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
  belong to each
  other. (Mother Theresa)
  
  KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
  Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
  
  If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and
  retaliation, if we
  steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits
  always cause to
  the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death,
  then whatever
  hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death 
 alone which has
  won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Atkinson, Daniel
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Licensing
 
 
  well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
  licensing rep, but I asked because:
 
  a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
  b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
  c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
  d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
 
 
   i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
   consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.?
  
   Think through that statement again.  When it comes to 
 something like
   licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
   MS says?  We
   can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
   going to rely on
   it, why ask?
  
   Stephen
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Licensing
  
  
Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
   to rely on
this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
  
   nor would i.
  
   i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
   consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
  
   maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
   unhelfpful. that said,
   i'm sorry if I've offended you.
  
   dan.
  
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

I totally second that opinion !  Could not have said it better
myself.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herrick,
Michael
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB 
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had practiced restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net

We cannot do evil to others without doing it to ourselves. -- Joseph
Francois Eduard Desmahis

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

just MS knowledge gods know MS better than the coders 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Ely
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 09:28 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Licensing


Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
Technically, it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines
as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win2k Advanced Server (2-node cluster)

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MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Doug Hampshire

Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to be
next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2], did
anyone pick up its proposed location?

[1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
[2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
[3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

takes too DAMN long... and not worth its weight

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


It is time for people here to look a bit beyond BLB is
bad. the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
true in 2k ?
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

what SP of 2k
what SP of Exch ?


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 09:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Can I not do this?


I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000  no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Replication problem

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

I love Service Packs ... they are my friends... Thats my job for today, I
inherited a 2k, NT and 95 site with Norton CE AV and NOTHING IS up to
date... my director/vp was BS. so SPing i will go :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Hlabse
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 14:40
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Replication problem


SP4 yes. Especially if you were to call MS. Thats the first thing they will
have you do 99% of the time. For that matter make sure you have all required
patches associated with the problem have been installed. I hate to call MS
Tech Support to get help and hold for an half hour only to hear Did you
apply the latest patches?
- Original Message -
From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Replication problem


 SP4 across the board.  That DL could be causing a problem, though it's
 hard to say.

 Running chkds -fixOrphaned is another good option that someone
 mentioned, but in reading the Q articles, SP 4 upgrade is where I would
 start.

 D


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
 WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:17 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 Don,

 I had looked at Q247654, but I'm a bit confused.  It has the correct
 exception error number, but the parameters are different.  Also, is it
 only caused by large DLs?  My largest is only 1542 so would this really
 be my problem?  But I do think now is probably the time to install sp4.
 Will I have to install throughout the entire site or can I have just the
 one server on SP4?  You've been a great help.

 Jessica

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:11 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 Jessica,

 Check out these couple of articles.  The first thing I see is that you
 are running SP3 for Exchange and I'm seeing that SP4 is recommended to
 fix this.  SO with that said, I would make sure you have a good backup
 and apply SP4.

 Again, check out these articles.  From the sounds of them, they might
 very well apply to you.

 http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q247/6/54.ASP
 http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q265/1/72.ASP

 D
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
 WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:46 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 Event Type: Error
 Event Source: MSExchangeDS
 Event Category: Internal Processing
 Event ID: 1171
 Date: 10/3/2001
 Time: 11:12:04 AM
 User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
 Computer: EXCH-SRV4
 Description:
 Exception e0010004 has occurred with parameters -1601 and 1651 (internal
 ID 208017d). Contact Microsoft Technical Support for assistance.

 --and--

 Event Type: Warning
 Event Source: MSExchangeDS
 Event Category: Replication
 Event ID: 1059
 Date: 10/3/2001
 Time: 11:12:04 AM
 User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
 Computer: EXCH-SRV4
 Description:
 Internal error: The directory replication agent (DRA) call returned
 error 22.

 --and--

 Event Type: Information
 Event Source: MSExchangeDS
 Event Category: Replication
 Event ID: 1070
 Date: 10/3/2001
 Time: 11:11:33 AM
 User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
 Computer: EXCH-SRV4
 Description:
 Internal event: Directory f68ebf464c66d4118f5200b0d0205037 EXCH-SRV3
 asked the directory replication agent (DRA) to get changes from naming
 context /o=WHF/ou=Hospital starting at update sequence number (USN)
 56504 with flags 71 and sensitivity 100.


 Even with errors, Microsoft's KB isn't helping much.  I get results when
 I query for the Event ID, but what I get tends to be for Exchange 5.0.
 Thanks Don.

 Jessica

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:54 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 I would, it might lead you to the problem before you call PSS and they
 may have you do that anyway.  What sort of errors are showing up now?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
 WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:47 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 Thanks for the help guys.
 Once I turned up the logging, the errors started coming.  I've been
 searching Technet, and will probably call PSS. (One of the errors
 actually said to do that).  One question, do I need to turn up logging
 on more than just the problem server?
 Jessica


 -Original Message-
 From: WILLIAMS,JESSICA D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:04 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Replication problem


 OK, I've turned up the logging that you have suggested.

 All servers are 

RE: Outlook XP on 5.5 no Schedule Plus Data

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

Import other file option in import in outlook

What version of Exchange ?

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook XP on 5.5 no Schedule Plus Data


We are moving from Schedule Plus to outlook XP none of the contacts and
schedule data is avalible in outlook XP when you connect a client back to
the
same server. Isn't all this data on the server and who do I get XP to use
it,
as the correct data.

IS there a way to get this old schedule plus data to populate in Outlook XP.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Tener, Richard

yeah I learned the hard way Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


Daniel,

Let me tell you something from experience.  I use to get pissy when everyone
would say rude things to me cause of some of my posts.  You just have to
look past the sarcasim (which is pretty funny at times) cause people will
help you with what you need.  And I believe this list is very appropriate
for you question.  Just lighten up some.  Don't take everything to heart.
Most of the time when they are getting on you, they are trying to help you.
They may not come right out and tell you, but they are trying to help you
push yourself for the answers.  All I can say is just relax...and let the
good times roll!!

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
 


-Original Message-
From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
you should explain why.

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville

BravoBravo..Bravo..

You BLB users, keep doing what your doing, you make us True Exchange Admins
look like geniuses..

-Original Message-
From: Herrick, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a 
remote site got BLB  restores to work in test. So they ran 
it on the production box. I was adamant that the Exchange 
online backup be run first. That took about 2-3 hours. The 
BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day 
that was shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in 
progress. He has to wait. The next day, they restore his 
mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is unhappy. So 
they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no 
message. Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is 
now beyond irate. Calls the CIO. Who calls me. I have 
DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give him his 
message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe 
related. So the full restore did not work. While they had 
practiced restores, they never opened a mailbox. Just 
accepted the logging information that the restore was complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, 
DumpsterAlwaysOn on an admin workstation, Circular logging 
OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ. Sleep easy. And keep 
the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter 
lifespan for your tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
admin needs
BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Restore
 
 
 How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 
 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
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Behalf Of David 
  N. Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
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  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
true in 2k 
  ?
 
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  Adriaan
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  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
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Re: MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Daniel Chenault

Sturgis, South Dakota. And it's been rescheduled to coincide with the annaul
Harley motorcycle run.

- Original Message -
From: Doug Hampshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: MEC next year


 Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to
be
 next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2],
did
 anyone pick up its proposed location?

 [1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
 [2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
 pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
 [3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.

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RE: MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: MEC next year


Sturgis, South Dakota. And it's been rescheduled to coincide with the
annaul Harley motorcycle run.

- Original Message -
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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: MEC next year


 Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed

 to
be
 next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote 
 [2],
did
 anyone pick up its proposed location?

 [1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time. [2] 
 This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can 
 pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one [3] Andy and I OD'd on

 Fish Tacos.

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RE: MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Lefkovics, William

It's almost right when the Microsoft Great Plains people meet in Fargo,
isn't it?


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: MEC next year


Sturgis, South Dakota. And it's been rescheduled to coincide with the annaul
Harley motorcycle run.

- Original Message -
From: Doug Hampshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: MEC next year


 Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to
be
 next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2],
did
 anyone pick up its proposed location?

 [1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
 [2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
 pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
 [3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.

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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread Soysal, Serdar

Yes.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Soysal, Serdar


I don't think Don's been rude at all.  What he was trying to say was that
you should really talk to your supplier because they have the best answer
for you.  The only right answer for licensing questions would come from
Microsoft or their distributor that you work with.

S.

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From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
you should explain why.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

The bottom line is that anything we say here regarding licensing is just
an opinion. There is nothing we can say that you can take to the bank.

Call Microsoft 5x. Each time you will get a difffent answer. Ask for the
answer in writing and then pick the one you like best. :)

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 Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't 
 authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although
it's possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is
an appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange
admins. if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list,
then perhaps you should explain why.

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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Soysal, Serdar

If that's not it, try opening the user's mailbox using an Exchange client.
If it loads successfully, you may have some sort of corruption in her tasks
or calendar folder.  If that's the case, you may want to:

1. Attempt starting Outlook with the /cleanreminders switch.  If that
doesn't help proceed to step 2.
2. ExMerge her calendar out with the archive option
3. Open the mailbox with Exchange client again, and delete the calendar
folder.
4. Start outlook with the /resetfolders switch.

If that works, you'll have to weed through the exported appointments to see
which one's causing the problem.



-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Is this person running any server side rules?  I know that we have some
users here that have a ton of SSR's and it hoses their Outlooks up all the
time.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


If you can open it up yourself, I'd do that, export it all to PST, blow the
mailbox away, recreate and put the info back into the new mailbox.  You
should be able to do that without too much problems for her -- other than
being without her mailbox for a while.

Drew

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Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack!

-Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say let's
try recreating the mailbox but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly.

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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OT: SMTP Loops

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

I am seeing a lot of mail loops on our SMTP IIS box. We don't accept
inbound or relaying. They all come internally. It seems that in them
there are missing components in the headers and I am wondering if that
could cause it.
Here is a sample header from one. Notice that there is a lot of missing
info.

X-Receiver: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:00:27 -0700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200


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RE: MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Doug Hampshire

Y U no answer my Q10? 

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Sturgis, South Dakota. And it's been rescheduled to coincide with the annaul
Harley motorcycle run.

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: MEC next year


 Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to
be
 next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2],
did
 anyone pick up its proposed location?

 [1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
 [2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
 pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
 [3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.

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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread MS Exchange List


Hello,

Here are some Q articles I've come across for similar problems, and in
general some other things to try:

-Change the default View to something else.  A view, default view, may be
causing the problem.

-Can you view it through OWA?

-There's a CDO patch post SP4 that might help.

-Search the archives for outlook hang  , you're not the first to encounter
this in the last couple months.

Q289606
 
Q281935
 
Q246866

Brent

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say let's
try recreating the mailbox but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.  

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly. 

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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Oregon State University
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