RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security

2003-09-24 Thread Greg Marr
Hi Ed

I think you'll find that I followed my initial post with an immediate
follow up that stated:

Sorry, I should have said that it eliminates any key-logging concerns
related to authentication - it obviously can't stop the actual recording
of keystrokes by key-logging software.

It will however, basically eliminate the possibility of someone gaining
access to your email system using credentials left behind by one of
your users which is where we happen to draw the line in terms of
functionality/security.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 19 September 2003 7:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and security

Perhaps, but that's not what he said.

Ed

--- Steve Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It doesn't, but it keeps people from reusing
 credentials.  At least I
 believe that's the posters point. 
 
 
 Steve Evans
 SDSU Foundation
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:40 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and
 security
 
 I don't see how that would stop key-logging.
 
 Ed
 
 --- Greg Marr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We have set up our OWA to require two-factor
 authentication (SecurID) 
  which eliminates any key-logging concerns but this
 system is not cheap
 
  at approx $300 AU ($160 US) per user.
  
  The upside is that you can use the same system to
 authenticate all of 
  your remote access users (dial-up, VPN, etc) and
 this is the function 
  that really allows me to sleep well at night.
   
  I guess that it all depends on how many people are
 going to require 
  this functionality and of course, your budget.
  
  Greg
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:07 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing and
 security
  
  We talked about this exact scenario. We decided
 that given how easy it
 
  is to install a key logger, and other malware, on
 public systems we 
  decided it was too risky. We are planning on using
 public folders 
  quite heavily with data that we can't risk getting
 out.
  Same with the address
  books. 
  
  We are trying to figure out a way to give people
 access to email only 
  from a public terminal. No public folders or
 address books. If you 
  have any suggestions, that would be great.
  
  Erick
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Ed Crowley
   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:40 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: OWA front end server - licensing
 and
  security
   
   
   ISA is a better solution in a DMZ because it
  doesn't
   require the plethora of holes in the internal
 firewall.
   
  
 

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tec
  hnet/prodtechnol/isa/deploy/isaexch.asp
   
   Requiring VPN (your other message) is a good
 idea,
   however, you may be coming back to ISA or some
  other
   idea when your users demand to be able to get
  e-mail
   from a coffeehouse kiosk terminal.
   
   Ed
   
   --- Erick Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to admit to being a little confused,
 how
would ISA help, aside from being a proxy?
 Which
isn't nothing, but I'm wondering if I'm
 missing
something else. 

Thanks,
Erick

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Webb, Andy
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:04 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: OWA front end server -
 licensing
  and
security
 
 
 Don't forget you also have to fully protect
  the
front end server from
 all the other servers on the DMZ from which
 it
  is
not isolated.  
 
 Those other systems may have been placed on
  the
DMZ in an 
 insecure state
 with the thought that if anyone broke them,
  they
would be 
 isolated from
 the internal LAN.  What happens when you put
  the
FE in the DMZ is you
 break that theory.  The DMZ is no longer
  isolated
from the LAN.
 
 You definitely have to secure the FE, but
 once
  you
have, why 
 not put it
 inside where it is not at risk from
  questionable
systems on the DMZ?
 
 Better to put an ISA server in the DMZ as
 was
suggested earlier.
 
 Regarding IPSEC, Exchange 2003 explicitly
  states
that IPSEC is now
 supported between front end and back end. 
 So
  if
you upgrade, that's
 perhaps an option.  Though a lesser one than
  using
ISA imho.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
Behalf Of Leeann
 McCallum
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: OWA 

RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
Unfortunately, they're about the only method that really works.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

RBL's are not a good thing. They tend to jam legit users/companies in with
the spammers. A couple of them just went poof here recently and marked the
world as spammers. Do you really want to trash your communications link that
way?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:36 PM Posted To: Exchange
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Conversation: Exchange 2003 RBL
Subject: Exchange 2003 RBL


Has anyone used the RBL feature in Exchange 2003? How effective is it?
What is / are the most reliable list to use?

Thanks

Jason



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Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Neil Doody
I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
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The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from
the inbox to other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email
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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Wood, Harriet [CCS]
I would guess that the junk mail filters are using rules, and you might need to set 
Continue Processing Rules
But then if you've already filtered them are they junk? 

Harriet

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 September 2003 09:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be plenty of 
Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from the inbox to 
other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email filters from working, and 
I would like to use the safe lists that are built into Outlook 2003.


Anyone know a way around this?

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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Neil Doody
Well in outlook 2003, the junk rules are replaced with a built in filter
facility, a separate entry from normal rules.  The email is definintly
Junk, but I'm wanting to use the safe lists that are now built in.  With
safe lists all emails are moved to Junk Email unless the sender is on
your safe list.  The problem is if you have any other rules set to
move the emails it prevents the Junk Mail feature from working as it
should.  I have already turned off stop processing other rules.


Thanks for the help though :)


-Original Message-
From: Wood, Harriet [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 September 2003 10:48
To: Exchange Discussions

I would guess that the junk mail filters are using rules, and you might
need to set Continue Processing Rules But then if you've already
filtered them are they junk? 

Harriet

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 09:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
plenty of Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from
the inbox to other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email
filters from working, and I would like to use the safe lists that are
built into Outlook 2003.


Anyone know a way around this?

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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Ben Schorr
Ah, you want to use the White list capability.  May I suggest instead
you just set Junk E-mail to High and use your usual rules.  That works
exceptionally well for me; I get maybe 2-3 spam in my mailbox a day.  I
get more than 150 in the Junk e-mail folder that I never have to deal
with.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 00:00
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

Well in outlook 2003, the junk rules are replaced with a built in filter
facility, a separate entry from normal rules.  The email is definintly
Junk, but I'm wanting to use the safe lists that are now built in.  With
safe lists all emails are moved to Junk Email unless the sender is on
your safe list.  The problem is if you have any other rules set to
move the emails it prevents the Junk Mail feature from working as it
should.  I have already turned off stop processing other rules.


Thanks for the help though :)


-Original Message-
From: Wood, Harriet [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 10:48
To: Exchange Discussions

I would guess that the junk mail filters are using rules, and you might
need to set Continue Processing Rules But then if you've already
filtered them are they junk? 

Harriet

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 09:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
plenty of Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from
the inbox to other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email
filters from working, and I would like to use the safe lists that are
built into Outlook 2003.


Anyone know a way around this?

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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Neil Doody
Yah, but the problem is, even with my Junk E-mail set to High, my
usual rules are over-riding the built in Junk Filters of Outlook 2003.


So if I have my normal rules turned off, the Junk Mail filter works
well an moves mail from the inbox into the Junk Mail folder and leaves
none-junk in the Inbox.  If I have my rules turned on, these take
precedence and the mail is moved via the rule and the Junk is no longer
sorted out.  i.e. the rule moves the junk into the folder the rule has
specified, preventing the built in junk filters within outlook 2003 from
working. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 September 2003 11:06
To: Exchange Discussions

Ah, you want to use the White list capability.  May I suggest instead
you just set Junk E-mail to High and use your usual rules.  That works
exceptionally well for me; I get maybe 2-3 spam in my mailbox a day.  I
get more than 150 in the Junk e-mail folder that I never have to deal
with.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 00:00
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

Well in outlook 2003, the junk rules are replaced with a built in filter
facility, a separate entry from normal rules.  The email is definintly
Junk, but I'm wanting to use the safe lists that are now built in.  With
safe lists all emails are moved to Junk Email unless the sender is on
your safe list.  The problem is if you have any other rules set to
move the emails it prevents the Junk Mail feature from working as it
should.  I have already turned off stop processing other rules.


Thanks for the help though :)


-Original Message-
From: Wood, Harriet [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 10:48
To: Exchange Discussions

I would guess that the junk mail filters are using rules, and you might
need to set Continue Processing Rules But then if you've already
filtered them are they junk? 

Harriet

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 09:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
plenty of Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from
the inbox to other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email
filters from working, and I would like to use the safe lists that are
built into Outlook 2003.


Anyone know a way around this?

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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Scharff
Unplugging your server from the internet works, and the results are
uniform, as opposed to the haphazard loss of legitimate mail one gets
with an RBL. Given corporate penchant for conformity, I can't imagine
why that option wouldn't go over well. Quack!

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:45 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Exchange 2003 RBL
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

Unfortunately, they're about the only method that really works.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

RBL's are not a good thing. They tend to jam legit users/companies in
with
the spammers. A couple of them just went poof here recently and marked
the
world as spammers. Do you really want to trash your communications link
that
way?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:36 PM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: Exchange 2003 RBL
Subject: Exchange 2003 RBL


Has anyone used the RBL feature in Exchange 2003? How effective is it?
What is / are the most reliable list to use?

Thanks

Jason



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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Scharff
This was an explicit design decision based on client feedback during the
beta. The overwhelming response was, that if I have rules touching my
mail, it is for a reason, don't treat it as spam. Unfortunately it
appears that you are in the minority on this one, it's unlikely that the
behavior you see now will change anytime soon.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:51 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
plenty of Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from
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OT: Antigen

2003-09-24 Thread Crumbaker, Ron
We have recently installed Antigen on our Exchange 2k server.

I'm just wondering are most using ESE or VSAPI modes?


Thank you,

Ron Crumbaker, MCP
PC Systems Administrator
MPD, Inc. - An Employee Owned Company
www.mpdinc.com
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RE: Antigen

2003-09-24 Thread Martin Blackstone
The general ranking of preferred scan methods from top to bottom is ESE,
AVAPI, MAPI. 

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Subject: OT: Antigen

We have recently installed Antigen on our Exchange 2k server.

I'm just wondering are most using ESE or VSAPI modes?


Thank you,

Ron Crumbaker, MCP
PC Systems Administrator
MPD, Inc. - An Employee Owned Company
www.mpdinc.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fax 270-685-6212

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RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

2003-09-24 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
Is it the order your rules are firing off in?

Since I don't have OL2003 yet, I'm not sure how this is configured yet, but
can you move the Junk Filters rule to the top of the list, so that it fires
off first?

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


Yah, but the problem is, even with my Junk E-mail set to High, my usual
rules are over-riding the built in Junk Filters of Outlook 2003.


So if I have my normal rules turned off, the Junk Mail filter works well
an moves mail from the inbox into the Junk Mail folder and leaves none-junk
in the Inbox.  If I have my rules turned on, these take precedence and the
mail is moved via the rule and the Junk is no longer sorted out.  i.e. the
rule moves the junk into the folder the rule has specified, preventing the
built in junk filters within outlook 2003 from working. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 September 2003 11:06
To: Exchange Discussions

Ah, you want to use the White list capability.  May I suggest instead you
just set Junk E-mail to High and use your usual rules.  That works
exceptionally well for me; I get maybe 2-3 spam in my mailbox a day.  I get
more than 150 in the Junk e-mail folder that I never have to deal with.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 00:00
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters

Well in outlook 2003, the junk rules are replaced with a built in filter
facility, a separate entry from normal rules.  The email is definintly Junk,
but I'm wanting to use the safe lists that are now built in.  With safe
lists all emails are moved to Junk Email unless the sender is on your safe
list.  The problem is if you have any other rules set to move the emails it
prevents the Junk Mail feature from working as it should.  I have already
turned off stop processing other rules.


Thanks for the help though :)


-Original Message-
From: Wood, Harriet [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 10:48
To: Exchange Discussions

I would guess that the junk mail filters are using rules, and you might need
to set Continue Processing Rules But then if you've already filtered them
are they junk? 

Harriet

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 September 2003 09:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2003 Junk Mail Filters


I know this isn't an outlook support list, but I thought there must be
plenty of Outlook experts in an Exchange discussion list :p

The problem I'm having is that if I have rules set to move mails from the
inbox to other folders for some reason, this prevents the Junk Email filters
from working, and I would like to use the safe lists that are built into
Outlook 2003.


Anyone know a way around this?

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Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw

With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
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After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
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Re: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Tony Hlabse
PF's take time to replicate. Be patient. I have some take as long as a day

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With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ

I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
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the public folders. Why?
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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
Well I started this last night, I hope It did not replicated the default
settings of the new server to the old one.
Could of this happened?

Eric

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PF's take time to replicate. Be patient. I have some take as long as a
day


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With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ

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the public folders. Why?


Eric


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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is correct,
right?  You might have to have your users refresh their profiles.  Change
the last letter of their name or server name and then click Check Name.

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Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see the
public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
Don't laugh...some PHB in the UK banned his employees from using e-mail.

Deluged Telecoms Boss Bans Staff E-Mails:
http://tinyurl.com/oif5

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL


Unplugging your server from the internet works, and the results are uniform,
as opposed to the haphazard loss of legitimate mail one gets with an RBL.
Given corporate penchant for conformity, I can't imagine why that option
wouldn't go over well. Quack!

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:45 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Exchange 2003 RBL
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

Unfortunately, they're about the only method that really works.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

RBL's are not a good thing. They tend to jam legit users/companies in with
the spammers. A couple of them just went poof here recently and marked the
world as spammers. Do you really want to trash your communications link that
way?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Subject: Exchange 2003 RBL


Has anyone used the RBL feature in Exchange 2003? How effective is it? What
is / are the most reliable list to use?

Thanks

Jason



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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I
choose the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS
FREE  BUSY ETC.
But, when I choose the old server, which has the important PF it prompts
for a user name and password and I type it and says that the object is
no longer available.

Eric


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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread ml.exchange
I have to agree to both points. That's why we setup a cheep Xwall box in front of our 
Exchange servers. We have it using several lists and some custom
filters to tag spam before delivering it to exchange. Our users can then use the tags 
to create server side filters for their mailboxes as THEY wish.

While I would love to not have the spam traffic hit my network at all, the only 
effective way to do that is with the blacklists in blocking mode. Doing that
is just not acceptable in a business environment. On the other hand, my Exchange 2003 
lab server that receives my personal mail has those RBLs turned on in
full blocking mode. My main personal account was getting about 200+ spams a day and 
maybe 5-10 real mails before I turned on the RBL blocking in Exchange
2003, since then it has cut it to maybe 10 spams still making it to my box, and 
frankly if some real mail bounces, my friends and family know how to get me
another way.

---
Miles Holt, MCP
Network Engineer
Summit Marketing
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770-303-0426
---

Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering 
mistakes. Real boats rock. - Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune  
 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

Unfortunately, they're about the only method that really works.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

RBL's are not a good thing. They tend to jam legit users/companies in with the 
spammers. A couple of them just went poof here recently and marked the world
as spammers. Do you really want to trash your communications link that way?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
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Posted At: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:36 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Exchange 2003 RBL
Subject: Exchange 2003 RBL


Has anyone used the RBL feature in Exchange 2003? How effective is it?
What is / are the most reliable list to use?

Thanks

Jason



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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
Is the public store mounted on that server?

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I choose
the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS FREE  BUSY
ETC.
But, when I choose the old server, which has the important PF it prompts for
a user name and password and I type it and says that the object is no longer
available.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
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Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
Yes, and the Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm look still to have the data. The new
server PF is small and the old server is much larger. 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Is the public store mounted on that server?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I
choose the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS
FREE  BUSY ETC. But, when I choose the old server, which has the
important PF it prompts for a user name and password and I type it and
says that the object is no longer available.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
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After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
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Eric
 

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Please help - Calendaring issue!!

2003-09-24 Thread panzalone
Good Afternoon,

I have an calendaring issue.  I can't see my calendars from one site to
another. All of the users can see other users the calendars in within one
site but not between sites.

Can anyone help???

Thank You
Paula 
Email admin

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Agent Tabs In Outlook

2003-09-24 Thread Mitchell Mike
Greetings,

I am using the Auto Accept utility for Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP4. I have
several resources that have the Agent Tab available to them in the Inbox and
I have a few that don't have the agent tab turned on. How do I turn that tab
on for all resources so that when I configure Auto Accept it works properly?

I have gone those the folders; system folders; events roots;
eventconfig_SERVERID and everything is correct.  I have assured that the
account is the same in all resources. 

Still I am perplexed and need your assistance.

Thanks!!! 

Mike Mitchell
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Cleaning up EXCHSRV folder

2003-09-24 Thread Alex Alborzfard
I had initially installed EXCH on C: (system partition), and had all the
services on that drive. Later I added more drives and moved some of the EXCH
services to other partitions.
Now C: hosts only DSADATA (Directory Working Path) and MDBDATA (IS Working
Path).
I'm running out of space on C: and was wondering if I can remove some of the
EXCHSRV folders that perhaps are no longer needed, without breaking EXCH.
Do I have no choice but to re-install EXCH?

On a related note, is there a utility (on resource kit, etc.) that will
automate reporting of the space on the hard drives?

EX 5.5, NT 4, SP6

Thanks

--Alex Alborzfard


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From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Public Folder Problem



With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see the
public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Agent Tabs In Outlook

2003-09-24 Thread Finch Brett
 Well Outlook98 is a while back, somewhere in the options-Advance-Add IN
manager, you have to turn on the server side scripting tab right? I think
every version of Outlook gets you there in a different way :)

-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:18
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Agent Tabs In Outlook


Greetings,

I am using the Auto Accept utility for Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP4. I have
several resources that have the Agent Tab available to them in the Inbox and
I have a few that don't have the agent tab turned on. How do I turn that tab
on for all resources so that when I configure Auto Accept it works properly?

I have gone those the folders; system folders; events roots;
eventconfig_SERVERID and everything is correct.  I have assured that the
account is the same in all resources. 

Still I am perplexed and need your assistance.

Thanks!!! 

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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
ED,
How bad would to use the old servers Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm to try to get
them back to the new server?

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Eric Holtzclaw 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Yes, and the Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm look still to have the data. The new
server PF is small and the old server is much larger. 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Is the public store mounted on that server?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I
choose the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS
FREE  BUSY ETC. But, when I choose the old server, which has the
important PF it prompts for a user name and password and I type it and
says that the object is no longer available.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Please help - Calendaring issue!!

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
I assume that this is regarding Exchange 5.5, no?  Set up public folder
affinity between the sites and/or create replicas of the free-busy system
folders in every site.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Subject: Please help - Calendaring issue!!

Good Afternoon,

I have an calendaring issue.  I can't see my calendars from one site to
another. All of the users can see other users the calendars in within one
site but not between sites.

Can anyone help???

Thank You
Paula
Email admin

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RE: Agent Tabs In Outlook

2003-09-24 Thread Mitchell Mike
You have to turn the agent tab on each mailbox? I looked in the mailboxes
that do not have the agent tabs and I find that scripting is turned on.

-Original Message-
From: Finch Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Agent Tabs In Outlook


 Well Outlook98 is a while back, somewhere in the options-Advance-Add IN
manager, you have to turn on the server side scripting tab right? I think
every version of Outlook gets you there in a different way :)

-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:18
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Agent Tabs In Outlook


Greetings,

I am using the Auto Accept utility for Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP4. I have
several resources that have the Agent Tab available to them in the Inbox and
I have a few that don't have the agent tab turned on. How do I turn that tab
on for all resources so that when I configure Auto Accept it works properly?

I have gone those the folders; system folders; events roots;
eventconfig_SERVERID and everything is correct.  I have assured that the
account is the same in all resources. 

Still I am perplexed and need your assistance.

Thanks!!! 

Mike Mitchell
Systems email Administrator
Alverno Information Services
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*:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211

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Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein

2003-09-24 Thread John Matteson
Good afternoon all:

I have a user that has deleted a public folder that had more
than one sub-folder.
Deleted items retention was set on the public folder store. (E2K with
sp's running on top of Win2K SP4)

I can see the folder that she deleted when using the Recover
Deleted Items tool, but I get an error message saying that I don't have
the permissions necessary.

I've even gone through the process outlined in KB 811385, but
that hasn't worked.

Anyone have any suggestions?  The folder was replicated to other
servers, but I get the same thing when I use a mailbox on the other
servers to attempt to recover the public folders.

TIA.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Adding Calendar Dates

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Martinez
I have received a request to add the dates our organization is off or considered 
holiday's to everyone within our Exchange org.  Has anyone received similar requests 
and if so are there any recommendations on how to perform this?  

Thanks

Chris Martinez
City of San Antonio
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RE: Adding Calendar Dates

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Scharff
www.slipstick.com has several suggestions including a custom form that
can be used. 

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Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:49 PM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Adding Calendar Dates
Subject: Adding Calendar Dates

I have received a request to add the dates our organization is off or
considered holiday's to everyone within our Exchange org.  Has anyone
received similar requests and if so are there any recommendations on how
to perform this?  

Thanks

Chris Martinez
City of San Antonio
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RE: Adding Calendar Dates

2003-09-24 Thread Jasa, Ken
Why not just one shared calendar?

Ken 


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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

I have received a request to add the dates our organization is off or
considered holiday's to everyone within our Exchange org.  Has anyone
received similar requests and if so are there any recommendations on how
to perform this?  

Thanks

Chris Martinez
City of San Antonio
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Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco

Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Edgington, Jeff
There a reason you don't send the attachment as a PDF?



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Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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OT-Replistore By Legato

2003-09-24 Thread Bowles, John (OIG/OMP)
Has anyone worked with Replistore by Legato?  If so can you please let me know if 
you're happy with the product and maybe what problems you've had with it.

TIA,
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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
In some cases the attachments need to be sent as either word or excel
documents and the recipient needs to modify it and send it to someone
else but the original attachment needs to be kept as well. 


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From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

There a reason you don't send the attachment as a PDF?



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Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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There is a new virus

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
There is a new virus. The code name is WORK.  If you receive WORK from
your colleagues, your boss, via e-mail, or  from anyone else - do not
touch WORK under any circumstances. This virus wipes out your private
life completely. If you should happen to come in contact with this
virus, take two friends and go straight to the nearest bar. Order drinks
and after three rounds, you will find that WORK has been completely
deleted from your brain. Forward this virus warning immediately to at
least five friends. Should you realize you do not have five friends,
this means you are already infected by this virus and WORK already
controls your whole life. If this is the case, go to the bar and stay
until you make at least five friends. 
 
Then retry.

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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Chinnery, Paul
If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
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I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Tom Meunier
 -Original Message-
 From: ml.exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
[   ]

 While I would love to not have the spam traffic hit my 
 network at all, the only effective way to do that is with the 
 blacklists in blocking mode.

That is absolutely not true.  Utterly false.  They are the state of the art of 
late-1990s spamblocking technology.  Unfortunately, it's not the 90s any more.  (I'm 
disagreeing with EdC here also, I just happened to pick your message to reply to)

 Doing that is just not acceptable in a business environment.

That is absolutely 100% true.  Utterly factual.  :)

 On the 
 other hand, my Exchange 2003 lab server that receives my 
 personal mail has those RBLs turned on in
 full blocking mode. My main personal account was getting 
 about 200+ spams a day and maybe 5-10 real mails before I 
 turned on the RBL blocking in Exchange
 2003, since then it has cut it to maybe 10 spams still making 
 it to my box, and frankly if some real mail bounces, my 
 friends and family know how to get me
 another way.


That's nice, if friends and family were the only ones we had business relationships 
with.  But not all of us are Amway reps or Mary Kay distributers.  There are real 
antispam solutions extant, and they're far more accurate than DNSBLs alone.  Although 
DNSBLs are a useful component of a real solution.  For the next three weeks, until 
every last one of them is DDOS'd off the planet.

-tom

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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
I don't think you would be successful with that.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

ED,
How bad would to use the old servers Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm to try to get
them back to the new server?

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Yes, and the Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm look still to have the data. The new
server PF is small and the old server is much larger. 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Is the public store mounted on that server?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I
choose the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS
FREE  BUSY ETC. But, when I choose the old server, which has the
important PF it prompts for a user name and password and I type it and
says that the object is no longer available.

Eric


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
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You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Ben Winzenz
It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving
it first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know
where it saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not
save the original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if
it could do that. 


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Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Scott Weston
What if you set the attribute on the file as read only before sending?


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Scott Weston
It will however if it is posted to a public folder.


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From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving
it first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know
where it saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not
save the original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if
it could do that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein

2003-09-24 Thread MS Exchange List

Hello,

Does it start to recovery at all before giving you that error?  I had a
situation where recovering a deleted PF would begin recovery and then
error out.  I was able to get most of it back, just by canceling the
Recovery before it would error out.  Took a couple attempts to get the
timing just right.

I found one post in Google where a user said they tried and tried and
finally it worked out.  It never did for me.

One post back to the list on my problem said they were never able to
recover the PF, and finally went back to tape.

Good Luck,
Brent

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Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:44 AM
Posted To: MS Exchange List
Conversation: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein
Subject: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein


Good afternoon all:

I have a user that has deleted a public folder that had more
than one sub-folder. Deleted items retention was set on the public
folder store. (E2K with sp's running on top of Win2K SP4)

I can see the folder that she deleted when using the Recover
Deleted Items tool, but I get an error message saying that I don't have
the permissions necessary.

I've even gone through the process outlined in KB 811385, but
that hasn't worked.

Anyone have any suggestions?  The folder was replicated to other
servers, but I get the same thing when I use a mailbox on the other
servers to attempt to recover the public folders.

TIA.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Public Folder issue

2003-09-24 Thread Bennett, Josh
Hello all,

I am having an issue in Exchange 2k SP3. I have size restrictions in
place on the Public Folders at the store level. There is a sub-folder in
the default PF tree that has had the size restrictions removed, but
whenever the user tries to exceed 100MB (the restriction set at the
store level) he receives the following error:

Can't move the items. The item could not be moved. It was either already
moved or deleted, or access was denied.

If he reduces the size of the PF to under 100MB he can add to it. I have
removed the check box to Use Store defaults, in the Limits tab and have
left everything else blank. I assume that this means there is no size
restriction on this particular folder. Am I right???

Please help, thanks.


Josh Bennett
Exchange Administrator
Cotelligent, Inc.
401 Parkway Drive
Broomall, PA 19008
610.359.5929 Tel
610.353.1693 Fax
www.cotelligent.com
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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
No...it won't.

If you save an attachment to an e-mail, located in a PF to your HD and
modify it, you are working on a new copy of the document...not the one sent
in the original e-mail.  Then once you are done working on the document, you
reply to the original or post a new message, it is adding the document that
was on your HD and is not overwriting what is already in the store...it's
adding a second document to the store.

The only way this would be possible, is if you were saving attachments off
to a file server and including a link to that file in the post or e-mail.
Then, if the individual goes out and modifies the document at the end of the
link, it would indeed change the base document sent to everyone.  But again,
in that case, set the original to read only.  Doesn't Office also come with
a version control tool somewhere in the settings?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Weston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It will however if it is posted to a public folder.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving it
first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know where it
saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not save the
original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if it could do
that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and modify
it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the other
person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this opens up
another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment in
Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to the
information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
You sure about this?

Here's what I did.  I sent myself an email with a word attachment.
Opened up the word attachment and made modifications.  When I closed the
word document, it asked me if I want to save it and I did.  Went to a
different machine and opened the mail message I sent myself with the
attachment and the modifications are there!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving
it first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know
where it saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not
save the original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if
it could do that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
By the way, I didn't reply or forward the email message.  I just opened
it up and modified it a bit, closed it and said yes to the prompt asking
if I want to save the document.

-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


You sure about this?

Here's what I did.  I sent myself an email with a word attachment.
Opened up the word attachment and made modifications.  When I closed the
word document, it asked me if I want to save it and I did.  Went to a
different machine and opened the mail message I sent myself with the
attachment and the modifications are there!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving
it first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know
where it saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not
save the original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if
it could do that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Finch Brett
 Would OfficeXP's Send for review or the save with revisions options
play into this?

-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 13:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


By the way, I didn't reply or forward the email message.  I just opened it
up and modified it a bit, closed it and said yes to the prompt asking if I
want to save the document.

-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


You sure about this?

Here's what I did.  I sent myself an email with a word attachment. Opened up
the word attachment and made modifications.  When I closed the word
document, it asked me if I want to save it and I did.  Went to a different
machine and opened the mail message I sent myself with the attachment and
the modifications are there!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving it
first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know where it
saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not save the
original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if it could do
that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and modify
it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the other
person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this opens up
another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment in
Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to the
information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I was always under impression that the changes would be saved into the
message if one answered Yes to ***Outlook's*** question Do you want
to save changes?

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

By the way, I didn't reply or forward the email message.  I just opened
it up and modified it a bit, closed it and said yes to the prompt asking
if I want to save the document.

-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


You sure about this?

Here's what I did.  I sent myself an email with a word attachment.
Opened up the word attachment and made modifications.  When I closed the
word document, it asked me if I want to save it and I did.  Went to a
different machine and opened the mail message I sent myself with the
attachment and the modifications are there!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving
it first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know
where it saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not
save the original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if
it could do that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Scott Weston
Jim,
  If I drag a doc into a public folder, then open that doc within outlook,
edit it, and save it... it saves directly back to the public folder. I never
stated opening it as an attachment on the local drive. However if I email
that doc to the public folder as an attachment then you are correct in
assuming it stores a copy in local settings/temp interweb files and that
is the one that gets updated in this case.

- Scott Weston -



-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


No...it won't.

If you save an attachment to an e-mail, located in a PF to your HD and
modify it, you are working on a new copy of the document...not the one sent
in the original e-mail.  Then once you are done working on the document, you
reply to the original or post a new message, it is adding the document that
was on your HD and is not overwriting what is already in the store...it's
adding a second document to the store.

The only way this would be possible, is if you were saving attachments off
to a file server and including a link to that file in the post or e-mail.
Then, if the individual goes out and modifies the document at the end of the
link, it would indeed change the base document sent to everyone.  But again,
in that case, set the original to read only.  Doesn't Office also come with
a version control tool somewhere in the settings?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Weston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It will however if it is posted to a public folder.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving it
first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know where it
saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not save the
original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if it could do
that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and modify
it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the other
person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this opens up
another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment in
Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to the
information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
Yep...using OfficeXP at least, I get the following options when I do that:

Do you want to merg changes in 'Blah.doc' back into 'c:\user\blah.doc'?
Yes, No and No, don't ask again

-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


I was always under impression that the changes would be saved into the
message if one answered Yes to ***Outlook's*** question Do you want to
save changes?

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

By the way, I didn't reply or forward the email message.  I just opened it
up and modified it a bit, closed it and said yes to the prompt asking if I
want to save the document.

-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


You sure about this?

Here's what I did.  I sent myself an email with a word attachment. Opened up
the word attachment and made modifications.  When I closed the word
document, it asked me if I want to save it and I did.  Went to a different
machine and opened the mail message I sent myself with the attachment and
the modifications are there!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


It doesn't.  See, when you open an attachment in Outlook without saving it
first, it really does save it - just in temp files.  I don't know where it
saves it to (probably the same temp location), but it does not save the
original that the sender sent.  That would be quite clever if it could do
that. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:35 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Read Only Attachments
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and modify
it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the other
person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this opens up
another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment in
Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to the
information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Ben Schorr
Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
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Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


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From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
It's not in the public folders. It's in the user's mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Ben Schorr
Then the original document is still in the sender's Sent Items folder.
Not much you can do, in that case, to both let the user edit the
document and control which copy they can edit.

Are the users all employees of your company/organization? 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

It's not in the public folders. It's in the user's mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
Yes all employees are from our company.  

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


Then the original document is still in the sender's Sent Items folder.
Not much you can do, in that case, to both let the user edit the
document and control which copy they can edit.

Are the users all employees of your company/organization? 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

It's not in the public folders. It's in the user's mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Ben Schorr
O.K., here's another suggestion:

Send out an e-mail to all employees instructing them that when they
receive these documents via e-mail they are to save them to their hard
drive and edit them from there.  Violations of this policy will not be
tolerated.

There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.
-Ed-

If you require a technological solution then I would encourage you to
look at posting the documents in Read-only network directories or in
Public Folders that the users have read-only access to, rather than
trying to e-mail them.  Either that or be satisfied with the notion that
the original, unaltered, document still resides in the Sent Items folder
of the original sender.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

Yes all employees are from our company.  

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


Then the original document is still in the sender's Sent Items folder.
Not much you can do, in that case, to both let the user edit the
document and control which copy they can edit.

Are the users all employees of your company/organization? 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

It's not in the public folders. It's in the user's mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Read Only Attachments

2003-09-24 Thread Carmila Fresco
Thank you for the suggestion.  I think that's the only other thing that
we can do right now.  

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


O.K., here's another suggestion:

Send out an e-mail to all employees instructing them that when they
receive these documents via e-mail they are to save them to their hard
drive and edit them from there.  Violations of this policy will not be
tolerated.

There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.
-Ed-

If you require a technological solution then I would encourage you to
look at posting the documents in Read-only network directories or in
Public Folders that the users have read-only access to, rather than
trying to e-mail them.  Either that or be satisfied with the notion that
the original, unaltered, document still resides in the Sent Items folder
of the original sender.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

Yes all employees are from our company.  

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments


Then the original document is still in the sender's Sent Items folder.
Not much you can do, in that case, to both let the user edit the
document and control which copy they can edit.

Are the users all employees of your company/organization? 


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

It's not in the public folders. It's in the user's mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Are these being posted to a public folder?  If so, only give the users
Read permissions to items that are not their own.  Then they can read
the attachment, save it to their local drive, but not change it in the
IS. 


-Ben-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Read Only Attachments

My users need to be able to save the document to their desktop and
modify it. So I don't think protecting a worksheet would work since the
other person would need to know the password to edit the sheet and this
opens up another issue of forgotten passwords.

We basically just need to make sure that the received attachment
(original) does not get overwritten when the user opens the attachment
in Outlook and plays around with it.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

If you're talking MS such as Excel, why not just turn on protection?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Read Only Attachments



Is there a way of sending attachments as read only?  

I need to prevent users from modifying and saving attachments back to
the information store.

I'm on Exchange 2000 SP3.  Clients are all using Outlook 2002.

Thanks,
Carmila




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RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein

2003-09-24 Thread John Matteson
I can start the recovery, and I can see the recovered folder in the spot
where it's supposed to be, but it errors out without a chance to
cancel the restore.

At the moment it looks like I'm going to have to be purchasing the
OnTrack PowerControls product.

Anyone have any experience with it?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: MS Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:11 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein
Subject: RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein



Hello,

Does it start to recovery at all before giving you that error?  I had a
situation where recovering a deleted PF would begin recovery and then
error out.  I was able to get most of it back, just by canceling the
Recovery before it would error out.  Took a couple attempts to get the
timing just right.

I found one post in Google where a user said they tried and tried and
finally it worked out.  It never did for me.

One post back to the list on my problem said they were never able to
recover the PF, and finally went back to tape.

Good Luck,
Brent

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Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:44 AM Posted To: MS Exchange
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Conversation: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein
Subject: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein


Good afternoon all:

I have a user that has deleted a public folder that had more
than one sub-folder. Deleted items retention was set on the public
folder store. (E2K with sp's running on top of Win2K SP4)

I can see the folder that she deleted when using the Recover
Deleted Items tool, but I get an error message saying that I don't have
the permissions necessary.

I've even gone through the process outlined in KB 811385, but
that hasn't worked.

Anyone have any suggestions?  The folder was replicated to other
servers, but I get the same thing when I use a mailbox on the other
servers to attempt to recover the public folders.

TIA.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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RE: Public Folder Problem

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Holtzclaw
It worked.

Eric

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


I don't think you would be successful with that.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

ED,
How bad would to use the old servers Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm to try to get
them back to the new server?

Eric


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From: Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Yes, and the Pub1.edb and Pub1.stm look still to have the data. The new
server PF is small and the old server is much larger. 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


Is the public store mounted on that server?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem

In Exchange System Manger, Folders, I right click to connect too. I
choose the new server and it has all of the default stuff like EFORMS
FREE  BUSY ETC. But, when I choose the old server, which has the
important PF it prompts for a user name and password and I type it and
says that the object is no longer available.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Problem


You created replicas on the new public folder server, right?  And the
setting for the new mailbox store's default public folder server is
correct, right?  You might have to have your users refresh their
profiles.  Change the last letter of their name or server name and then
click Check Name.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
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Subject: Public Folder Problem


With Exchange 2000 Move server FAQ 
 
I now have 2 E2K servers side by side, same versions etc.
After doing steps 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. My MAPI clients can not see
the public folders. Why?
 
 
Eric
 

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Adding branch office X2K server

2003-09-24 Thread aardvark13
Have two offices with WAN link (512k), on same Win2k
domain, presently one Exchange 2000 server in main
office, other office connects to their mailboxes via
WAN. This is too slow for users so plan is to install a
second Exchange 2000 server at the branch office, on
their existing Win2k server that is already part of the
same domain as the main office.
The idea is that the mail still arrives in the main 
office then to setup a routing group to forward the
mail to the branch office. I also need to move the
mailboxes of the users I guess so they access them on
their local server.
Questions: 
1. Any tips on how to quickly set up the server side of
things and any pitfalls that may be encountered?
2. How do I move the mailboxes from one server to the
other?
Many, many thanks!

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RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein

2003-09-24 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I am experiencing the same symptoms with one PF that a user asked me to
recover. Outlook recovers the folder and most of the messages in that
folder, but then errors out saying that some items could not be
recovered.

(I have turned off NAVEX and it is still acting the same way)




-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein

I can start the recovery, and I can see the recovered folder in the spot
where it's supposed to be, but it errors out without a chance to
cancel the restore.

At the moment it looks like I'm going to have to be purchasing the
OnTrack PowerControls product.

Anyone have any experience with it?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:11 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein
Subject: RE: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein



Hello,

Does it start to recovery at all before giving you that error?  I had a
situation where recovering a deleted PF would begin recovery and then
error out.  I was able to get most of it back, just by canceling the
Recovery before it would error out.  Took a couple attempts to get the
timing just right.

I found one post in Google where a user said they tried and tried and
finally it worked out.  It never did for me.

One post back to the list on my problem said they were never able to
recover the PF, and finally went back to tape.

Good Luck,
Brent

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson
Posted At: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:44 AM Posted To: MS Exchange
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Conversation: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein
Subject: Nested Public Folders; recovery of deleted items therein


Good afternoon all:

I have a user that has deleted a public folder that had more
than one sub-folder. Deleted items retention was set on the public
folder store. (E2K with sp's running on top of Win2K SP4)

I can see the folder that she deleted when using the Recover
Deleted Items tool, but I get an error message saying that I don't have
the permissions necessary.

I've even gone through the process outlined in KB 811385, but
that hasn't worked.

Anyone have any suggestions?  The folder was replicated to other
servers, but I get the same thing when I use a mailbox on the other
servers to attempt to recover the public folders.

TIA.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Internet Emails to same domain

2003-09-24 Thread Hansen, Eric
Exch 5.5 sp4 win2k sp4

Hello

I am lately seeing some emails from a crystal enterprise server that submits
email to the bridgehead server, but they sit in the que as host
unreachable.  what gives?  The bridgehead has dns server it can talk to,
should it be able to send email to itself and forward that on to the mailbox
server?

much thanks
e-

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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem?  Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
are having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem?  Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
are having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Steve Molkentin
Matt,

What does this have to do with the thread in place? Perhaps if you want
help you need to send a new e-mail so that a new thread starts (or
continue the thread this started on)??

I know those that will want to help will find it easier if this is the
case.

My $0.02 (inc GST).

themolk. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 7:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL
 
 
 OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but 
 I managed to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  
 Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not transfer inexplicably.  
 They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even more unfortunately, a 
 couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a 
 whole lot of data here.
 
 I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how 
 the hell do I get any of it back now?  The tape drive that 
 was used for those backups was on the same server that is now 
 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4 domain before.
 
 I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 
 management tools on the upgraded box.  Normally that means 
 one can see the existing 5.5 servers and restore or backup 
 data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5 management tools 
 cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to.  
 It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD 
 domain.  Is this the problem?  Should I install 5.5 somewhere 
 in my AD domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common 
 problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go 
 cross-domain to see 5.5 server?
 
 I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 
 lost users are having major panic attacks.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Matt
 
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RE: Exchange 2003 RBL

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
Sorry about that.  I was a bit flustered at the time and didn't realize
I had done so.  You'll note that I did post the same message with a
different subject afterward...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL


Matt,

What does this have to do with the thread in place? Perhaps if you want
help you need to send a new e-mail so that a new thread starts (or
continue the thread this started on)??

I know those that will want to help will find it easier if this is the
case.

My $0.02 (inc GST).

themolk. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 7:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 RBL
 
 
 OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but
 I managed to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  
 Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not transfer inexplicably.  
 They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even more unfortunately, a 
 couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a 
 whole lot of data here.
 
 I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how
 the hell do I get any of it back now?  The tape drive that 
 was used for those backups was on the same server that is now 
 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4 domain before.
 
 I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5
 management tools on the upgraded box.  Normally that means 
 one can see the existing 5.5 servers and restore or backup 
 data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5 management tools 
 cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to.  
 It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD 
 domain.  Is this the problem?  Should I install 5.5 somewhere 
 in my AD domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common 
 problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go 
 cross-domain to see 5.5 server?
 
 I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15
 lost users are having major panic attacks.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Matt
 
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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Jim Helfer

  I've not ever had to do a real clenched-up DR for my Exchange 5.5, but you
should just be able to run the restore on a stand-alone machine and save the
data to a pst or something.  The tape drive will have to be directly
connected to the 5.5 machine if you are using NT4 ntbackup.  Win2000 may be
able to see the tape drive from other servers.  Not sure. 
 I'd just steal the tape drive and put it on your DR server to do the
restore.  Apologize later, if necessary.

 Jim Helfer


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem?  Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

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Matt

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Transaction log partition size

2003-09-24 Thread Jeroen Peters
Hi List,

Quick question: I'm I right when I say that the size of the partition which
holds the transaction logs should be bigger as the mail volume you process
between full backups?

Any good links on how to set up an Exchange 2003 server, disk wise?

Thanks,

Jeroen Peters


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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Andy David
Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just make
sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original production 5.5
server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same org and site name as
the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store, pop out those mailboxes to
psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed to
get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not
transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even more
unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a
whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I get
any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups was on
the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4
domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on the
upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5 servers and
restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5 management tools
cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to.  It's in the old
domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD domain.  Is this the problem?
Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD domain and try restoring there?  Is
this a common problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go
cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users are
having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: Adding branch office X2K server

2003-09-24 Thread Tony Hlabse
How many users? Sounds like money is available. Why not increase the pipe.

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Subject: Adding branch office X2K server
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
Have two offices with WAN link (512k), on same Win2k
domain, presently one Exchange 2000 server in main
office, other office connects to their mailboxes via
WAN. This is too slow for users so plan is to install a
second Exchange 2000 server at the branch office, on
their existing Win2k server that is already part of the
same domain as the main office.
The idea is that the mail still arrives in the main
office then to setup a routing group to forward the
mail to the branch office. I also need to move the
mailboxes of the users I guess so they access them on
their local server.
Questions:
1. Any tips on how to quickly set up the server side of
things and any pitfalls that may be encountered?
2. How do I move the mailboxes from one server to the
other?
Many, many thanks!
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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another
member server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server.
So, both are in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with
the 5.5 management console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was
used to seeing this just connect with no problem previously when I had
two 5.5 servers going at once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some
service I didn't install, something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm
getting no luck in Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic
install following the instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site
as the old server.  I installed just the server itself and the
management console, and installed it as a non multi-site server.  I have
no idea if that's the problem.  I wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not
pick up this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just
make sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original
production 5.5 server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same
org and site name as the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store,
pop out those mailboxes to psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem? Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
are having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Andy David
Can you see the 5.5 server in NTBACKUP on the server with the Admin Gui on
it?
Otherwise, slap the tape drive on the 5.5 member server.




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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another member
server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server. So, both are
in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with the 5.5 management
console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was used to seeing this
just connect with no problem previously when I had two 5.5 servers going at
once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some service I didn't install,
something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm getting no luck in
Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic install following the
instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site as the old server.  I
installed just the server itself and the management console, and installed
it as a non multi-site server.  I have no idea if that's the problem.  I
wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not pick up
this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just make
sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original production 5.5
server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same org and site name as
the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store, pop out those mailboxes to
psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed to
get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not
transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even more
unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a
whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I get
any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups was on
the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4
domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on the
upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5 servers and
restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5 management tools
cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to.  It's in the old
domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD domain.  Is this the problem?
Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD domain and try restoring there?  Is
this a common problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go
cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users are
having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
Andy,

Just now I am able to see the server through management console and
NTBACKUP.  Restarting the services may have done it.  I'm attempting to
restore at this point...  I was able to point it to the new 5.5 server
once I set it to erase everything that was already there.  I've got my
fingers crossed...  I'd really like to go home!

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Can you see the 5.5 server in NTBACKUP on the server with the Admin Gui
on it? Otherwise, slap the tape drive on the 5.5 member server.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another
member server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server. So,
both are in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with the
5.5 management console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was
used to seeing this just connect with no problem previously when I had
two 5.5 servers going at once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some
service I didn't install, something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm
getting no luck in Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic
install following the instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site
as the old server.  I installed just the server itself and the
management console, and installed it as a non multi-site server.  I have
no idea if that's the problem.  I wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not
pick up this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just
make sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original
production 5.5 server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same
org and site name as the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store,
pop out those mailboxes to psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem? Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
are having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
I believe I'll need the log files won't I?  The restore doesn't work
just as-is.  Man, I hope my backup guy did his job here...

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From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Can you see the 5.5 server in NTBACKUP on the server with the Admin Gui
on it? Otherwise, slap the tape drive on the 5.5 member server.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another
member server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server. So,
both are in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with the
5.5 management console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was
used to seeing this just connect with no problem previously when I had
two 5.5 servers going at once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some
service I didn't install, something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm
getting no luck in Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic
install following the instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site
as the old server.  I installed just the server itself and the
management console, and installed it as a non multi-site server.  I have
no idea if that's the problem.  I wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not
pick up this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just
make sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original
production 5.5 server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same
org and site name as the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store,
pop out those mailboxes to psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem? Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
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Thanks,

Matt

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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Hoffman
Hmmm...  One more thing...  Does the server I'm restoring to require the
same name as the old server?  Not just the same org and site?

Matt

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From: Matt Hoffman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


I believe I'll need the log files won't I?  The restore doesn't work
just as-is.  Man, I hope my backup guy did his job here...

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Can you see the 5.5 server in NTBACKUP on the server with the Admin Gui
on it? Otherwise, slap the tape drive on the 5.5 member server.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another
member server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server. So,
both are in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with the
5.5 management console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was
used to seeing this just connect with no problem previously when I had
two 5.5 servers going at once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some
service I didn't install, something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm
getting no luck in Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic
install following the instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site
as the old server.  I installed just the server itself and the
management console, and installed it as a non multi-site server.  I have
no idea if that's the problem.  I wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not
pick up this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just
make sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original
production 5.5 server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same
org and site name as the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store,
pop out those mailboxes to psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed
to get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160
did not transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even
more unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes
and lost a whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I
get any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups
was on the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was
in an NT 4 domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on
the upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5
servers and restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5
management tools cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed
to.  It's in the old domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD
domain.  Is this the problem? Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD
domain and try restoring there?  Is this a common problem with the 5.5
management tools that they can't go cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users
are having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition

2003-09-24 Thread Andy David
No.
Is this an online backup? 
Simply re-direct the info store restore to the recovery 5.5 server. You
don't need to restore the directory to get at the mailboxes.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Hmmm...  One more thing...  Does the server I'm restoring to require the
same name as the old server?  Not just the same org and site?

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoffman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


I believe I'll need the log files won't I?  The restore doesn't work just
as-is.  Man, I hope my backup guy did his job here...

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Can you see the 5.5 server in NTBACKUP on the server with the Admin Gui on
it? Otherwise, slap the tape drive on the 5.5 member server.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Argh!  Trying this IS making my head hurt.  I installed to another member
server in the same domain as my current Exchange 2000 server. So, both are
in an Active Directory domain.  I get the same thing with the 5.5 management
console...  It just can't find the 5.5 server.  I was used to seeing this
just connect with no problem previously when I had two 5.5 servers going at
once.  So, what 's the problem here?  Some service I didn't install,
something I haven't configured correctly?  I'm getting no luck in
Microsoft's knowledgebase.  This is just a basic install following the
instructions Andy gave here... Same org and site as the old server.  I
installed just the server itself and the management console, and installed
it as a non multi-site server.  I have no idea if that's the problem.  I
wouldn't think it would be.  

Any clue as to why the management console on another server will not pick up
this 5.5 server??

Thanks,

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Mongo head hurt.
You should be able to setup a new 5.5 server on a member server. Just make
sure its got the same OS and Exchange SPs as the original production 5.5
server. Create a new site and org, using the exact same org and site name as
the orig 5.5 server. Restore only the info store, pop out those mailboxes to
psts and import them into the new server. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 5.5 to 2000 Transition


Gah!  Sorry about hijacking that thread...

OK, Migration to Exchange 2000 from 5.5 was a nightmare, but I managed to
get MOST of my users to transfer over.  Unfortunately, 15 of the 160 did not
transfer inexplicably.  They now have no mailboxes.  Also, even more
unfortunately, a couple of them are people who had huge mailboxes and lost a
whole lot of data here.

I still have my backups from 5.5, but the question is, how the hell do I get
any of it back now?  The tape drive that was used for those backups was on
the same server that is now 2000, and is now in AD where it was in an NT 4
domain before.

I tried installing 5.5 on another server and the 5.5 management tools on the
upgraded box.  Normally that means one can see the existing 5.5 servers and
restore or backup data to them remotely.  However, the 5.5 management tools
cannot see the other server that 5.5 is now installed to.  It's in the old
domain, whereas the new box is in the new AD domain.  Is this the problem?
Should I install 5.5 somewhere in my AD domain and try restoring there?  Is
this a common problem with the 5.5 management tools that they can't go
cross-domain to see 5.5 server?

I guess any kind of help here would be great since my 15 lost users are
having major panic attacks.

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: Transaction log partition size

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Crowley
The archives of this list would be a good place to look.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:57 PM
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Subject: Transaction log partition size

Hi List,

Quick question: I'm I right when I say that the size of the partition which
holds the transaction logs should be bigger as the mail volume you process
between full backups?

Any good links on how to set up an Exchange 2003 server, disk wise?

Thanks,

Jeroen Peters


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