RE: Opinion on Backups
FAQ Appendix B. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Lambert Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe
RE: Opinion on Backups
To end the debate, DMR is useless for be because I run Exchange 5.5. -cm -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups So can CommVault and a few others out there... That's still not to say it's a good idea and as William mentioned, E2K offers Deleted Mailbox Retention as well. So... What's the point? -Original Message- From: Fred W. Macondray Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups NetBackup DataCenter can.. it's a Class thing. I'm working that out right now... Fred -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Opinion on Backups
To step back in time and end the debate before it even started, can I point out the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method [tm] in the FAQ? Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups To end the debate, DMR is useless for be because I run Exchange 5.5. -cm -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups So can CommVault and a few others out there... That's still not to say it's a good idea and as William mentioned, E2K offers Deleted Mailbox Retention as well. So... What's the point? -Original Message- From: Fred W. Macondray Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups NetBackup DataCenter can.. it's a Class thing. I'm working that out right now... Fred -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Opinion on Backups
Well you didn't mention that now did you. ;o) Doesn't matter anyway, BLB's are for wussies! -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups To end the debate, DMR is useless for be because I run Exchange 5.5. -cm -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups So can CommVault and a few others out there... That's still not to say it's a good idea and as William mentioned, E2K offers Deleted Mailbox Retention as well. So... What's the point? -Original Message- From: Fred W. Macondray Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups NetBackup DataCenter can.. it's a Class thing. I'm working that out right now... Fred -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Opinion on Backups
My exchange backups got much faster when I upgraded to BE 8.6. -Original Message- From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: Opinion on Backups Backup exec 7 something to local 35/70 Dlt tape drive. Backup completed on 10/18/01 at 12:55:01 AM. Backed up 1 Exchange Server store(s) Processed 25,858,966,324 bytes in 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 18 seconds. Throughput rate: 296.051 MB/min Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups 15 hours doesnt suprise me in the least. Ours was 22, it was getting ugly, and backup exec is ugly. Its probably great for one server or two but not much more in my opinion. So you liking that LTO SAN combo? you using the IBM shark by chance? We piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we wanted to spend. We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo. We will probably add SAN next budget year. 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Opinion on Backups
BE 8.6 (What we started with, no previous BE to compare)... Quantum DLT8000 (40/80) Backup completed on 10/18/2001 at 9:50:35 PM. Backed up 1 Exchange Server store(s) Processed 20,532,446,196 bytes in 49 minutes and 53 seconds. Throughput rate: 392.5 MB/min different days give different rates, but is always between 390-400MB/Min -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups My exchange backups got much faster when I upgraded to BE 8.6. -Original Message- From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: Opinion on Backups Backup exec 7 something to local 35/70 Dlt tape drive. Backup completed on 10/18/01 at 12:55:01 AM. Backed up 1 Exchange Server store(s) Processed 25,858,966,324 bytes in 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 18 seconds. Throughput rate: 296.051 MB/min Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups 15 hours doesnt suprise me in the least. Ours was 22, it was getting ugly, and backup exec is ugly. Its probably great for one server or two but not much more in my opinion. So you liking that LTO SAN combo? you using the IBM shark by chance? We piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we wanted to spend. We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo. We will probably add SAN next budget year. 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Opinion on Backups
We've got our backups running BE 8.5 w/ the Exchange agent running to an older 40 Gb HP DLT library (connected via HVD SCSI)... 56Gb takes just over 7 hours to complete @ 126.8Mb/s. 15 hours seems a little much for the 60Gb stated by the original poster, but it's mostly dependant on the write speed of the backup media and the connecting interface... If the original poster has his backup drive connected by an older SE SCSI adapter, then he's not pushing his Ultrium drive as fast as it can go... It's not BE's fault JoeP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups BE 8.6 (What we started with, no previous BE to compare)... Quantum DLT8000 (40/80) Backup completed on 10/18/2001 at 9:50:35 PM. Backed up 1 Exchange Server store(s) Processed 20,532,446,196 bytes in 49 minutes and 53 seconds. Throughput rate: 392.5 MB/min different days give different rates, but is always between 390-400MB/Min -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups My exchange backups got much faster when I upgraded to BE 8.6. -Original Message- From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: Opinion on Backups Backup exec 7 something to local 35/70 Dlt tape drive. Backup completed on 10/18/01 at 12:55:01 AM. Backed up 1 Exchange Server store(s) Processed 25,858,966,324 bytes in 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 18 seconds. Throughput rate: 296.051 MB/min Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups 15 hours doesnt suprise me in the least. Ours was 22, it was getting ugly, and backup exec is ugly. Its probably great for one server or two but not much more in my opinion. So you liking that LTO SAN combo? you using the IBM shark by chance? We piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we wanted to spend. We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo. We will probably add SAN next budget year. 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinion on Backups
Now that is what I call an enterprise backup system ;) Lots of managers will be in state of shock when they hear the cost of something like that, but you then ask them .. how much is the stored data worth? -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: Hansen, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Opinion on Backups Yes I believe our final bid with beefy library will be around $300k. but we have requirements in the 11TB range so Commvault is expensive though .. not all businesses have that kinda money. -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: Hansen, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: Opinion on Backups CommVault good, Backup Exec bad. I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Backups? We don' need no stnkin' backups! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 October 2001 11:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Brick Level Backups Rock! -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like the Computer Associates products... www.ca.com Bye -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information in this message or attachments (if any) may be confidential or legally privileged material. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, and disclosure, copying or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If your receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and associated material from any computer. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be views of CONNECT Credit Union. Whilst virus scanning software is utilised by CONNECT, no responsibility is taken for virus damage that may originate from this transmission _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm...being a former police officer, I've come to the conclusion that Van Huissteden, Adriaan, is really HANJI in disguise! Beware of the wascly wabbit! Bob -Original Message- From: Callard, Gavin A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Backups? We don' need no stnkin' backups! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 October 2001 11:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Brick Level Backups Rock! -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like the Computer Associates products... www.ca.com Bye -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information in this message or attachments (if any) may be confidential or legally privileged material. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, and disclosure, copying or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If your receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and associated material from any computer. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be views of CONNECT Credit Union. Whilst virus scanning software is utilised by CONNECT, no responsibility is taken for virus damage that may originate from this transmission _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my 2 cents- I have been using Arcserve for about 3 or 4 years now. During this time I have run into different problems with the software, nothing major at first. But, during the last year we upgraded to Arcserve 2000. I say upgrade, but it was a clean install just to note. Since that time we have had nothing but problems. First thing, oh they forgot to mention that when we upgraded our exchange agent it wouldn't work with E2k, so I had to upgrade AGAIN to a later build of the agent when I went to E2k 6 months ago. From that time on I can count the successful backups on 1 hand made with Arcserve. (hooray for ntbackup!) The problems are quite sporadic and damn near impossible to decipher. On the other hand, I had restored my Exchange 5.5 box a couple of times throughout the early period with 0 problems. I think Arcserve 6.x products were OK, but I truly do not trust 2000. The problems I have encountered have finally convinced me to switch to Backup Exec. So if any of you want to give Arcserve 2000 a try, I will give you a good deal !! Arcserve 2000 Enterprise 1-Oracle, 2-Sql, 4-Open File, 1-Exchange agent(s) Tape Library Option, Unlimited remote agents. ArcWreckIT EjaculateIT - I found much humor in this, thank you! -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Mailing List Conversation: Opinion on Backups Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NTBackup. It works. It's Free. 'Nuff said. Tony -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's what I say. I do mock restores and it works just fine. Never had a problem using NTBackup. It just works. Peter Seitz Operating Systems Analyst Cubic Corporation San Diego, Ca. 92021 (858) 505-2724 -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Why pay for dinner if you can get it for free? What does NTBACKUP not do that you need to do? Ed Crowley Compaq Computer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups The software wasn't to bad functionality wise. Let me ask you a question. Would you return to a restaurant who's owner forced you to pay double for your dinner because you accidentally spilled your plate on the floor, even if they had the greatest food in the world? I highly doubt it... I feel the same way about software companies. Quality of product is only 33% of the purchase. The other 66% deals with customer support, sales, price, availability, how often upgrades are released, how long they support old versions, etc... One of our servers is NT 3.51 on a p133 with Backup Exec 7.01. It doesn't need upgrading because it does what it does, and the hardware works. Why spend thousands of dollars in hardware, software, and time just to have a corvette thats only purpose is to drive a person across the street and back? The new version of BE doesn't support NT 3.51, so now I need to upgrade to at least NT 4.0. NT 4.0 isn't supported by my hardware, so now I need to upgrade my hardware and waste half a day doing it. Why should I have to pay $5000+ to upgrade just because Veritas fails to keep customer records? If I needed to reinstall CadKEY their customer support rep would gladly say, I'm sorry to hear that you lost your software key and serial numbers, let me get those for you right away. Unlike Veritas, Sorry, you have to upgrade. or the way I interpret it, Heh heh heh, another idiot who lost his codes, let's make some money offa this fool. When they could have said, Fax us over your proof of purchase and we'll get you some new codes. If I have to upgrade anyway I'm defiantly not going back to Veritas. And if I have to upgrade one server I might as well upgrade the backup software on the rest of my servers. Sorry to get angry like this, but I get mad when companies don't care about customers who fail to spend at least $5 million on their software a year. -Craig -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Have you had any actual problems with the software? Tom Gray, Network Engineer All Kinds of Minds The Center for Development and Learning University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATT Net: (919)960- -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
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Funny... I got the privilege of doing some Exchange DR the other night and they were using BE with the Exchange agent. They had NO good backups at all. However, they were backing up the exchsrvr directories, doing supposed online backups, BLB's, AND they had Circular logging enabled. Geee I wonder why the backups failed. At any rate, it was one of the worst DR's I have ever encountered. I thought about calling PSS, but I knew what they were going to tell me... I was fscked. Anyway, I had to upgrade the firmware on the RAID controller to get eseutil to run as they have a Dell 2400 with the PERC2 RAID card (known issues with disk I/O processes for those who don't know). Of course, when I asked about the reasoning for their backup strategy, they told me they wanted the ability to restore individual emails. I asked if they'd ever heard of Deleted Items Retention. Got the server back online and running, reconfigured their backups to do REAL online backups and all is peachy now. That said... As poor of a product as CA is, backups are only as good as the backup operator. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Opinion on Backups You gotta be kidding I hope? Choose Veritas or Commvault ... -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like the Computer Associates products... www.ca.com Bye -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information in this message or attachments (if any) may be confidential or legally privileged material. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, and disclosure, copying or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If your receive this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and associated material from any computer. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be views of CONNECT Credit Union. Whilst virus scanning software is utilised by CONNECT, no responsibility is taken for virus damage that may originate from this transmission _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ArcServer is NOT a heavyweight! Unless of course, you mean heavy like a brick that could sink to the bottom of the ocean. -Original Message- From: Olds, Dominic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Arcserve works. Period. So does Veritas but the final choice is very personal. Different folks like different things and all will give you the benefit of their experience on any given product Either way, disaster recovery should be at least tested in a lab rather than when the disaster happens. Better to ride a familiar horse in any race than one which is unproven. Personally, I use Legato and for no other reason than I know it and I know it well. It can be cumbersome, true but so can anything. Depends on what you find comfortable. Legato will get me home every time as I'm sure Arcserve would if I had the time to get to know it. I guess what I'm saying is that all the products mentioned are heavyweights in the backup market but your own preference is going to be the final decision maker :) -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
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Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It doesnt. In 2000 you can set up a retention time for a deleted mailbox (Hey there's one reason to upgrade!) as well as deleted items within the mailboxes. I think what Don is saying is that if you have deleted items retention setup, you wont need to restore a mailbox in order to restore any items that have been deleted within that window... Andy -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Rich, Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes. Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore. The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for some legal issue or something. In the event that you actually needed to restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery procedures. The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery only to find out their backups were useless. That was the wrong time to discover that. That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world. They are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the tapes and the tape drives themselves. Does that explain enough for you? D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
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I wish I was running E2K here! Only a couple more months to go and I will be. But yes, Andy hit the nail on the head. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It doesnt. In 2000 you can set up a retention time for a deleted mailbox (Hey there's one reason to upgrade!) as well as deleted items within the mailboxes. I think what Don is saying is that if you have deleted items retention setup, you wont need to restore a mailbox in order to restore any items that have been deleted within that window... Andy -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Without a disaster recovery, how do you *know* the software is working for you? By looking at ArgServe's piss poor excuse for job logging? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In which case you will probably need to look at your DR solution. You throughput is not stunning even for NTBackup (and it isn't known for speed). You make sure that you have reliable backups by testing them - you'll make sure that you can hit your SLA's this way as well as getting used to it and ensuring the tapes have data on them. If you have 100GB stores, the solution that you have wouldn't be acceptable IMHO. Tris -Original Message- From: Sinton, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 16:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It does sound v.slow - I think we'd need to know what hardware, what raid controllers, is it across the network, etc, etc to see why. Of course if your figure includes BLBs then we all know why. Mark -Original Message- From: Tristan Gayford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 16:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups In which case you will probably need to look at your DR solution. You throughput is not stunning even for NTBackup (and it isn't known for speed). You make sure that you have reliable backups by testing them - you'll make sure that you can hit your SLA's this way as well as getting used to it and ensuring the tapes have data on them. If you have 100GB stores, the solution that you have wouldn't be acceptable IMHO. Tris -Original Message- From: Sinton, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 16:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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15 hours doesnt suprise me in the least. Ours was 22, it was getting ugly, and backup exec is ugly. Its probably great for one server or two but not much more in my opinion. So you liking that LTO SAN combo? you using the IBM shark by chance? We piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we wanted to spend. We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo. We will probably add SAN next budget year. 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We are backing up about 40gb right now. We are using Veritas Backup Exec ver 8.6 and have turned 'verify' off since it just adds to the amount of hours our backup takes. Are you doing brick level or just full backups nightly of the IS? Our backup job usually completes in under 3hours. -Original Message- From: Renouf, Phillip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that long to restore as well right? We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2 hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to backup that 30gb store. The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5. Phil Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the tapes running all the time? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, the LTO is excellent. We're still trying to convince them to buy it for us though. It isn't the shark, although there are two of those in the building. This one is the 3584-L32 tape library. The SAN made a huge difference in our backups times with the DLT because it eliminated any servers we had that were backing up via the network, with the LTO though, the speed difference was insane. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/tape/3584/index.html It most definitely isn't cheap though. Phil So you liking that LTO SAN combo? you using the IBM shark by chance? We piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we wanted to spend. We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo. We will probably add SAN next budget year. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yes a little but I thought the Dumpster is what restores mail that was deleted by a user or maybe I read it wrong. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Rich, Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes. Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore. The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for some legal issue or something. In the event that you actually needed to restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery procedures. The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery only to find out their backups were useless. That was the wrong time to discover that. That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world. They are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the tapes and the tape drives themselves. Does that explain enough for you? D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
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Maybe it would help if you posted how you interpret things to work and then we can agree or disagree with you. D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups yes a little but I thought the Dumpster is what restores mail that was deleted by a user or maybe I read it wrong. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Rich, Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes. Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore. The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for some legal issue or something. In the event that you actually needed to restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery procedures. The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery only to find out their backups were useless. That was the wrong time to discover that. That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world. They are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the tapes and the tape drives themselves. Does that explain enough for you? D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http
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Dumpster and Deleted Items Retention are essentially two ways of looking at the same thing. In order for the Dumpster to work, you need to turn on Deleted Items Retention on your exchange servers. Once DIR is turned on, you can recover deleted items from the client's dumpster. If you enable the DumpsterAlwaysOn switch, you can recover items from the dumpster that haven't hit the deleted items folder. Mike Morrison NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator Ben Jerry's Homemade, Inc. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups yes a little but I thought the Dumpster is what restores mail that was deleted by a user or maybe I read it wrong. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Rich, Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes. Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore. The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for some legal issue or something. In the event that you actually needed to restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery procedures. The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery only to find out their backups were useless. That was the wrong time to discover that. That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world. They are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the tapes and the tape drives themselves. Does that explain enough for you? D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape
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You read/interpreted it incorrectly. Deleted Item Retention times sets a tombstone on a deleted item. When the tombstone life has expired so does your chance of restoring it without going to tape. The Dumpster is a reg hack that enhances DIR time by allowing you to recovery things that were deleted but were never in the deleted items folder. Do a search on deleted item retention and DumpsterAlwaysOn at www.microsoft.com/technet Matthew Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get yours today! http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P stands for Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)... Jim Schwartz 8-16-01 -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups yes a little but I thought the Dumpster is what restores mail that was deleted by a user or maybe I read it wrong. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Rich, Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes. Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore. The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for some legal issue or something. In the event that you actually needed to restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery procedures. The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery only to find out their backups were useless. That was the wrong time to discover that. That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world. They are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the tapes and the tape drives themselves. Does that explain enough for you? D -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup
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Read the FAQ appendix titled The Ed Crowley Never Restore Method 4 years, never had to restore an individual mailbox -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com
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And of course, as mentioned here numerous times, deleted item retention applies to entire mailboxes in Exchange2000. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Read the FAQ appendix titled The Ed Crowley Never Restore Method 4 years, never had to restore an individual mailbox -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Don, If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention help restore a mailbox. I though deleted items retention was for setting limits for a mailbox or public folder. Rich -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? - _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NetBackup DataCenter can.. it's a Class thing. I'm working that out right now... Fred -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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So can CommVault and a few others out there... That's still not to say it's a good idea and as William mentioned, E2K offers Deleted Mailbox Retention as well. So... What's the point? -Original Message- From: Fred W. Macondray Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups NetBackup DataCenter can.. it's a Class thing. I'm working that out right now... Fred -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Nope. Why would you want to? Deleted Items Retention works very nicely. D -Original Message- From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox? Not flaming, genuinely interested in knowing. TIA. Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few others. Off of the top of my head, those products are very good. ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on? -Original Message- From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either. Rob -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Do you always bet on the losing horse? - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups I would bet on ArcServe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Opinion on Backups
Why pay for dinner if you can get it for free? What does NTBACKUP not do that you need to do? Ed Crowley Compaq Computer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups The software wasn't to bad functionality wise. Let me ask you a question. Would you return to a restaurant who's owner forced you to pay double for your dinner because you accidentally spilled your plate on the floor, even if they had the greatest food in the world? I highly doubt it... I feel the same way about software companies. Quality of product is only 33% of the purchase. The other 66% deals with customer support, sales, price, availability, how often upgrades are released, how long they support old versions, etc... One of our servers is NT 3.51 on a p133 with Backup Exec 7.01. It doesn't need upgrading because it does what it does, and the hardware works. Why spend thousands of dollars in hardware, software, and time just to have a corvette thats only purpose is to drive a person across the street and back? The new version of BE doesn't support NT 3.51, so now I need to upgrade to at least NT 4.0. NT 4.0 isn't supported by my hardware, so now I need to upgrade my hardware and waste half a day doing it. Why should I have to pay $5000+ to upgrade just because Veritas fails to keep customer records? If I needed to reinstall CadKEY their customer support rep would gladly say, I'm sorry to hear that you lost your software key and serial numbers, let me get those for you right away. Unlike Veritas, Sorry, you have to upgrade. or the way I interpret it, Heh heh heh, another idiot who lost his codes, let's make some money offa this fool. When they could have said, Fax us over your proof of purchase and we'll get you some new codes. If I have to upgrade anyway I'm defiantly not going back to Veritas. And if I have to upgrade one server I might as well upgrade the backup software on the rest of my servers. Sorry to get angry like this, but I get mad when companies don't care about customers who fail to spend at least $5 million on their software a year. -Craig -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups Have you had any actual problems with the software? Tom Gray, Network Engineer All Kinds of Minds The Center for Development and Learning University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATT Net: (919)960- -Original Message- From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Opinion on Backups I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on file about my company or purchases). I've decided to choose another brand of tape software. What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange support. Thanks -- Craig Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager Stanek Tool www.stanektool.com New Berlin, WI _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
