RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
...but for some reason the controllers and external arrays seem to work much better when used with servers other than those manufactured by IBM. As long as you don't use RAID configurations with an e after the number, that is. All the best, Andy -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 5. juni 2002 00:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll second that. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2002 12:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server We have a number of the x series that support that configuration. Their RAID controllers are very unpredictable and I can't believe the rate of disk failures. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Andy Grafton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Raid 5e AFAIK incorporates a hot spare into the array by striping unused white space across the disks. Makes for faster access times than a raid 5 array + hot spare as the data is on more live spindles. IBM proprietary. Evil, evil, IBM. All the best, Andy -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: 31. maj 2002 16:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server =20 =20 Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in=20 AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in=20 my workstation. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Yes, but IBM finds this compelling need to place an e on to everything for some odd reason. I wonder how much the marketing genius got paid for coming up with that idea. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server ProLiants have that, we just don't call it that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Grafton Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Ed asks; Please share what RAID5e is. More info: http://www-5.ibm.com/pl/eserver/xseries/ulotki/psref-raidtech.pdf Mind the wrap, mind the .pdf. Andy Creuna Danmark A/S Snaregade 10 1205 København K Denmark Tel : +45 22 68 58 23 Fax : +45 70 20 72 42 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
And now CA has the eTrust Suite! -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Yes, but IBM finds this compelling need to place an e on to everything for some odd reason. I wonder how much the marketing genius got paid for coming up with that idea. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server ProLiants have that, we just don't call it that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Grafton Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Ed asks; Please share what RAID5e is. More info: http://www-5.ibm.com/pl/eserver/xseries/ulotki/psref-raidtech.pdf Mind the wrap, mind the .pdf. Andy Creuna Danmark A/S Snaregade 10 1205 København K Denmark Tel : +45 22 68 58 23 Fax : +45 70 20 72 42 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I'll second that. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2002 12:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server We have a number of the x series that support that configuration. Their RAID controllers are very unpredictable and I can't believe the rate of disk failures. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Andy Grafton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Raid 5e AFAIK incorporates a hot spare into the array by striping unused white space across the disks. Makes for faster access times than a raid 5 array + hot spare as the data is on more live spindles. IBM proprietary. Evil, evil, IBM. All the best, Andy -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: 31. maj 2002 16:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server =20 =20 Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in=20 AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in=20 my workstation. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Mostly that you're an idiot, a troll, or both. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 June 2002 02:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server All right what does argle mean? --Felicity Argle. - Original Message - From: MS Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
You broke a nail, too? How? - Original Message - From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I had a similar experience with Compaq. Made my company a Compaq-free zone at the time. It's amazing how future purchases are based on experiences like that. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I was taking one of the memory array's out (not one of the vendor reps - although I was furious with them and would have taken all of them out (as in to whack not on a date)) and my nail got caught on one of the array's. --Felicity You broke a nail, too? How? - Original Message - From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I had a similar experience with Compaq. Made my company a Compaq-free zone at the time. It's amazing how future purchases are based on experiences like that. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Thanks Ed, I forgot RAID5e was a proprietary thing... Your suggestion has been noted... I'll see what the mgmt have to say I don't like my chances though. Judging by the response to this thread - It seems that others have had this problem on hardware other than that from the suppliers name that starts with 'I'. Makes you wonder what the point of having RAID is if it's not going to do its job under normal load and occasionally bad circumstances hmmm... FTR - after deleting, re-creating the array and running a complete restore, we were completely back online within 10 hours (over-nighter). Interesting to see if and when it happens again MP -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2002 12:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in my workstation. May I suggest you change hardware vendors? My employer makes a fine line of servers that I don't believe have this problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Peoples Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Ed asks; Please share what RAID5e is. More info: http://www-5.ibm.com/pl/eserver/xseries/ulotki/psref-raidtech.pdf Mind the wrap, mind the .pdf. Andy Creuna Danmark A/S Snaregade 10 1205 København K Denmark Tel : +45 22 68 58 23 Fax : +45 70 20 72 42 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Raid 5e AFAIK incorporates a hot spare into the array by striping unused white space across the disks. Makes for faster access times than a raid 5 array + hot spare as the data is on more live spindles. IBM proprietary. Evil, evil, IBM. All the best, Andy -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: 31. maj 2002 16:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server =20 =20 Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in=20 AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in=20 my workstation. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Ugh, but nicer. :) - Original Message - From: Felicity Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server All right what does argle mean? --Felicity Argle. - Original Message - From: MS Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Another search found a hit that indicates that it's RAID5 with a hot spare. Well, my employer's had that for years. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Arnold () Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 7:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server This is in English http://www.thestandard.com.au/IDG2.NSF/All/D56A4C61ECC7F0C3CA256BC60038E 885!OpenDocumentNavArea=HomeSelectedCategoryName=News But left me no wiser. Anyone for some StorageWorks ? -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 15:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in my workstation. May I suggest you change hardware vendors? My employer makes a fine line of servers that I don't believe have this problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Peoples Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Um... IBM and Pink [1]? [1] As in pink slips [2][4] [2] Not to be confused with pink dress [3] [3] Hi Chris! [5] [4] 8 or 9 thousand or so [5] As in Scharff [6] [6] http://www.mail-resources.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Bzzz. Think 3 little letters, and a color. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I had a similar experience with Compaq. Made my company a Compaq-free zone at the time. It's amazing how future purchases are based on experiences like that. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Mark my 2 cent's is It would seem to me that you have some type of problem with the hardware it self either controller or possibly hard drives, likely the raid controller. (I had this happen) For example/usually.. if say your had 3 disks in a raid5. One dies/dead gone the two are left running (critical mode) so you know which is dead, assume hot swap here, you pull it. You put in new identical drive. NowDepending on how your particular hardware works and the way it was setup. the raid controller will likely (if setup this way) start the rebuild process on the new drive thus in a matter of time the new drive is back in the array, thus you are now back to being fault tolerant. It should be transparent. Now in my case I have setup my raid 5 arrays, to automatically rebuild, AND it my controllers case it can prioritize how quickly it does this, thus determining to drag on the system during rebuild. Thus I can pull the old dead drive, put in the new one and it does all the rebuild in the background. How long? depends on lot of things. I had a similar hardware issues once, it ended up being a over heating issues on the drives, dues to poor case design. Moved HD's to better case with proper cooling, has run like charm ever since. 2cents bill -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
We had a similar issue last year with our Dell box not recreating the array correctly after corruption/death of hard disk - all sorts of issues with firmware level etc. Had to kill it, recreate and restore...fine since. Stu Senegal for the Cup... :o) -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Mark my 2 cent's is It would seem to me that you have some type of problem with the hardware it self either controller or possibly hard drives, likely the raid controller. (I had this happen) For example/usually.. if say your had 3 disks in a raid5. One dies/dead gone the two are left running (critical mode) so you know which is dead, assume hot swap here, you pull it. You put in new identical drive. NowDepending on how your particular hardware works and the way it was setup. the raid controller will likely (if setup this way) start the rebuild process on the new drive thus in a matter of time the new drive is back in the array, thus you are now back to being fault tolerant. It should be transparent. Now in my case I have setup my raid 5 arrays, to automatically rebuild, AND it my controllers case it can prioritize how quickly it does this, thus determining to drag on the system during rebuild. Thus I can pull the old dead drive, put in the new one and it does all the rebuild in the background. How long? depends on lot of things. I had a similar hardware issues once, it ended up being a over heating issues on the drives, dues to poor case design. Moved HD's to better case with proper cooling, has run like charm ever since. 2cents bill -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in my workstation. May I suggest you change hardware vendors? My employer makes a fine line of servers that I don't believe have this problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Peoples Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
This is in English http://www.thestandard.com.au/IDG2.NSF/All/D56A4C61ECC7F0C3CA256BC60038E 885!OpenDocumentNavArea=HomeSelectedCategoryName=News But left me no wiser. Anyone for some StorageWorks ? -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 15:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Please share what RAID5e is. I could only find two hits in AltaVista on that phrase, and both used character sets not in my workstation. May I suggest you change hardware vendors? My employer makes a fine line of servers that I don't believe have this problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Peoples Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
The HP server line is no more. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I had a very similar problem the some (name omitted) LH3 R servers where a RAID drive failed and then when replaced with the identical spare, purchased at the same time and sitting in the spares closet, corrupted the whole array on rebuild. No worries was only a 72 GB partition that took me 15 hours to restore. Support was great but the solution sucked. I too am going with the former competitor but starting with C and have not had any problems with their equipment _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Now what starts with the letter C? Cookie starts with C Let's think of other things That starts with C Oh, who cares about the other things? C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
I meant the company whose name starts with C and rhymes with Compaq. Can we use full names, I see most of you don't do this. I slipped up once in my last email. --Felicity Now what starts with the letter C? Cookie starts with C Let's think of other things That starts with C Oh, who cares about the other things? C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
No...It would stand for Idiots. As in Idiots, Boneheads, and Morons. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Maybe your application induced excessive thrashing :) -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Ahhh of course, that versatile Netfinity brand. Dreadful little boxes. Still they're our biggest competitor and are kicking our buts at this time, so they must be doing something right. It's just not doing servers right. -Original Message- From: Thomas Di Nardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 19:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server No...It would stand for Idiots. As in Idiots, Boneheads, and Morons. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/07may02b.htm should clear up any confusion on the matter. Missy - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server The HP server line is no more. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
IBM. But stick with HPQ, k? Missy hp Services :) - Original Message - From: Mellott, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Argle. - Original Message - From: MS Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Those of you who like the C brand servers will be happy to know that the big H has decided to stop making servers and just rebrand C's servers under the H name... I honestly don't like the C servers and therefor don't like H's decision (sorry Ed)... I've been running on H servers for quite a number of years and have been very happy with them... Of course opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one... To answer the original poster's question... If you've got a disk on a RAID5 set that dies and eventually takes the whole RAID down with it, look for new hardware and dump your current supplier like a hot potato. The main purpose of RAID5 is to be able to survive a single disk failure... Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Ahhh of course, that versatile Netfinity brand. Dreadful little boxes. Still they're our biggest competitor and are kicking our buts at this time, so they must be doing something right. It's just not doing servers right. -Original Message- From: Thomas Di Nardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 19:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server No...It would stand for Idiots. As in Idiots, Boneheads, and Morons. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
C is more like S (Storage Works) and D (DEC) added together kinda C? I can name plenty of C words that would get me in trouble... Kings gonna Choke tonite Lakers play like Champs! -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:15 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I meant the company whose name starts with C and rhymes with Compaq. Can we use full names, I see most of you don't do this. I slipped up once in my last email. --Felicity Now what starts with the letter C? Cookie starts with C Let's think of other things That starts with C Oh, who cares about the other things? C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me C is for cookie, that's good enough for me Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Who is the I company? I despise that company whose name begins with D and rhymes with Hell. I was adminstering this Dell server and we started getting error messages in the event log which looked strange and were coming from the disk drive. So I called the D company and every support engineer told me it was something different. Eventually after I complained enough they started sending me replacement drives through a vendor. I plugged these in same message, they said oops, we sent you another bad drive, so their vendor sent me another. Oops, it was the same one I originally sent out. So the D company eventually sent me a drive from their real warehouse, and - we still got the error. Then they started saying that our application had caused the hard drive error message, and we were to rebuild the drive array from a backup. I asked them how is it that an application is causing hard drive error's. They didn't have an answer. We eventually migrated to a different server and we were able to sweet talk them into getting a replacement. I hated working on the innards of these servers as well. I mean have you seen how they are laid out. The memory array card's have to be the most bizzare thing I have ever seen. I broke a nail taking one of these out. Give me the C word any day. --Felicity Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they = were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I = think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. =20 Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the = array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error = right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually = corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents = backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't = handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in = the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from = scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday = afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home=20 server is cactus
RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
Yeah, there had been a minor Blonde moment. Even worse since I'm currently typing on a Thinkpad ! -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 20:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Bzzz. Think 3 little letters, and a color. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I'll bet 'I' is for Intel.. why? one of our divisions sell's these What do I win if I'm right? -Original Message- From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server It'll never be time to go with the D word. The D people don't make servers, they only claim to. Who's the I word though? -Original Message- From: MS Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 May 2002 18:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List
Re: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server
All right what does argle mean? --Felicity Argle. - Original Message - From: MS Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Maybe it's time to go with D or I! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:19 AM Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions Conversation: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Back in 1998 we used Ed Crowley's employer's line of servers and they were not that good. We switched to their major competitor. But now it's not a competitor anymore since they became the same company. But I still like servers that start with C better than those that start with H. But I think Ed is also from the C side, right? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server Drop your hardware vendor. Been running my databases on RAID5's on Ed Crowley's employer's fine line of servers and NEVER EVER had an issue. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Mark Peoples [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kinda OT - RAID on the exchange server I apologise for the OT question... Has anyone experienced issues with bad striping on a RAID5e disk array? (hardware RAID) I have had this twice in the last 6 months. When a disk dies in the array it is replaced ASAP. RAID5e should be able to handle this without error right? When the RAID5e striping has errors, it registers sectors on the logical disk as bad and causes disk I/O errors - which screws (eventually corrupts) the exchange information store(s) on the logical drive and prevents backups from completing. hhhmmm ... perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why RAID5e couldn't handle the occassional defunct drive without screwing the rest of the array in the process of rebuilding itself... The hardware vendor has recommended re-creating the RAID array from scratch and restoring from backup Any thoughts? sorry again for the OT question - but I'll even throw in a Friday afternoon Haiku for good measure: Friday afternoon gotta get going home server is cactus Thanks, MP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
