Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of "holy shit!  --- Dave" bikemaster@ wrote: with people strapping on bombs and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:46 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:I have no real answers but I do know that explanations of poverty and powerlessness may not hold up.  The suicidal terrorists we know about best were mostly privileged.  One necessary component is a belief in an afterlife that rewards such

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- Dave bikemaster@

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or a run of bad luck,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence  the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the  hopelessness and powerlessness borne of

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or a run of bad luck, such as most of us in the wealthy and powerful US might imagine. Hey Jim,

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
TorquiseB writes; snipped Well said, Jim. This is something that people who live in our time and were raised in the affluent West really don't understand. I've often thought that the best thing that could ever happen to America and Americans is to have some kind of compassion draft, in which

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or a run of bad

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
I'll read it again, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or a run of

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Excellent start for understanding these guys. Your point about not depersonalizing them is right on. With both sides tarring the other with one-dimensional projections, I wish your perspective was more common. Nice one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the hopelessness and

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- Dave bikemaster@ wrote: with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
I have no real answers but I do know that explanations of poverty and powerlessness may not hold up. The suicidal terrorists we know about best were mostly privileged. One necessary component is a belief in an afterlife that rewards such behavior. That is Sam Harris's particular beef with

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread larry.potter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- Dave bikemaster@

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- Dave bikemaster@