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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
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> > Tom T writes:
> > It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of
> > surroundings durin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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> on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >
> > I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and
would like
> > to avoid it if I could.
> >
> >
> > I had the same problem wi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
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> > << > and "mind") >>>
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> >
> > This is the early stages of TM.
>
> Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours
or
> day at a time?>>>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
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> Tom T writes:
> It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of
> surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and
> utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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> > > on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > >>
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > [...]
> >
> >> told. It's funny where the experience stops is almost always
there--
> >> somet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> IMO, no he does not touch on the full criteria and experience of
> turiyatita ("Cosmic Consciousness"),
At least you agree its your opinion...
let alone the full path to
> attain it--although he does admit that 1) s
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > > I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fan
Aside from the fact that you had too much time on your
hands and you were
always conscious, how did you feel? Did you feel
good, or strung out, tired,
and wired?
I felt good…generally. Not tired at
all or I could have slept I am assuming.
It felt like being very awake. Kind of how
y
on 11/4/05 11:53 PM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few
>> hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing.
>> Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc.
>
> That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 11:57 PM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Desires so deep, they even have to do with sleep. :)
Not exactly, "nothing can be added to this state, and nothing can be
taken away".
Desires so deep, they even have to do with sleep. :)
Not exactly, "nothing can be added to this
state, and nothing can be
taken away".
Hey…you try sleeping for 4 hours a
night for a year or so and tell me what weird ass hobbies you’ve picked
up lol.
I think people *seriousl
>>
> I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few
> hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing.
> Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc.
That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic
sleep--as you awa
on 11/4/05 8:35 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Meditating, reading, walking in
>> the woods, etc.
Plenty of them. Jefferson County Park for starters. About 5 miles of trails
through the woods there. Lansom woods just down the street from me. Lots of
other woods with trails in
> Meditating, reading, walking in
> the woods, etc.
You have woods there, now?
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> on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at
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> >
> > I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the
> time and would like
> > to avoid it if I c
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> on 11/4/05 6:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > When were you in Murren, Rick, and for how long?
> >
> > I suspect it was in April-May of 1974? Because that is where I
did
> > my TTC, starting
on 11/4/05 6:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> When were you in Murren, Rick, and for how long?
>
> I suspect it was in April-May of 1974? Because that is where I did
> my TTC, starting in early May of 1974.
We were there with Maharishi for a month that Spring. I think the TTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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> on 11/4/05 5:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good
yogic
> > sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best
regular
> > sleep--and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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> > on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >>
> >> I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would
> >> like
> >> to avoid i
on 11/4/05 5:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic
> sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular
> sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long
> practice in the quiet before su
On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>
>> I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would
>> like
>> to avoid it if I could.
>>
>>
>> I had the same problem with sleep. I don’t think sleeping les
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like
to avoid it if I could.
I had the same problem with sleep. I don’t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
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> > << > and "mind") >>>
> >
> >
> > This is the early stages of TM.
>
> Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours
or
> day at a time?
>
On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:25 AM, akasha_108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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> > --- Vaj wrote:
> > > Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is
complete
> > > in CC,
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> On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
I
get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like
to avoid it
if I could.
I had the same
problem with sleep. I don’t think sleeping less is a huge sign of
enlightenment, so I’m not claiming anything, but there was a good year of
my life (and it still happens o
On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: << and "mind") >>> This is the early stages of TM. Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or day at a time? Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land.Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. << for CC. >>
On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the questi
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interes
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] told. It's funny where the experience stops is almost always there-- sometimes with the occasional embellishment or addition. That's very telling, esp. if you have experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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> --- Vaj wrote:
> > Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete
> > in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep.
> > That is, one would continue
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on.
> > >
> >
> > Hmmm, so you won't answer the question...
>
> He's like Bush.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > >>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > One point I took away, with endless descriptions of deep
experience,
> > with MMY commenting, night after night, month after mont
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> It's mildly interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> told. It's funny where the experience stops is almost always there--
> sometimes with the occasional embellishment or addition. That's very
> telling, esp. if you have experience yourself...
Why share such info in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- Vaj wrote:
> > Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete
> > in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep.
> > That is, one would continue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > It's mildly interesting to know that different
> > systems put their labels at different stages of the
> > enlightenment process, but it says nothing
> > whatsoever about
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> One point I took away, with endless descriptions of deep experience,
> with MMY commenting, night after night, month after month, was
> labeling was not very important. People had good experience and he
> would say, "v
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing
no
> clothes.
>
> A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic
Consciousness"
> seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were
tol
On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
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>>
>>> It's mildly interesting to know that different
>>> systems put their labels at different stages of the
>>> enlighten
On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:03 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> I think Vaj's post is helpful in breaking down stereotypes and
> obsessions with enlightenment. Though taken too far, such lists can
> create new comparative hierarchies, expectations and "eternally
> seeking" -- states of mind which, IME, IMO, tend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > It's mildly interesting to know that different
> > systems put their labels at different stages of the
> > enlightenment process, but it says nothing
> > whatsoever about
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
> It's mildly interesting to know that different
> systems put their labels at different stages of the
> enlightenment process, but it says nothing
> whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the
> systems.
That's just it, it's the same label: M
I think Vaj's post is helpful in breaking down stereotypes and
obsessions with enlightenment. Though taken too far, such lists can
create new comparative hierarchies, expectations and "eternally
seeking" -- states of mind which, IME, IMO, tend to repel the
integration of PC in ones life.
"authfr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just
> > considered MMY's system on its own terms and
> > didn't keep trying to compare it with other
> > systems that may use si
On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
> Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just
> considered MMY's system on its own terms and
> didn't keep trying to compare it with other
> systems that may use similar terms to mean
> very different things with different criteria.
No confusion he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no
> clothes.
>
> A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness"
> seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were
> told
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