Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-15 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Is it alright with you if I call you curtisdeltablues, since that seems to be your real professional name AND your alias for social media? Thanks. Richard, It is not my professional name. It is a name I use nowhere else but on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-15 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
Sorry about the confusion. At the risk of getting banned from posting to the group and just for the record, I found your name on Facebook and so I posted a friend's request, but I never received a reply. Is it alright if we call you Curtis? Thanks. http://tinyurl.com/pdtuus3

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : However, I do feel the need to point out that the approach you outline above still leaves you as The man behind the curtain, not only censoring the flow of content to Fairfield Life, but doing so in secret. If you delete

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion   snip to Writing more generally, soon I am goingto start following Rick's lead on this and start

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote (to Curtis) : That personalized invasion of your privacy was a low point on FFL that was way against Rick's original intentions for the site and clearly against what are now the yahoo-groups guidelines. Yours was proly not the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, thanks for taking the time to fully explain your new role here. I am certainly more comfortable interacting with an actual person rather than an act so this change is welcome. I will intersperse my comments below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CDB, I am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Excellent distinctions! I think I could tighten up a bit in my own use of the term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote (to Curtis) : That personalized invasion of your privacy was a low point on FFL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
/Thanks for all the comments. You can call me Richard, or Dick, or Willytex, or anything else you want to call me - I don't care. LoL!/ Quoting authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com:   I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
/Thanks for the clarification. I am sorry I ever called you Buck. It sounds complicated, so you can just call me troll for from now on - eveyone will know who you mean, right? LoL!/ Quoting dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com:   CDB, I am glad you are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
/Just don't call me Shirley ever again. LoL!/ Quoting curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: When he let Richard back on I realized that I am on my own here and I have no trust in the system to protect my interests here.     ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
/Is it alright with you if I call you curtisdeltablues, since that seems to be your real professional name AND your alias for social media? Thanks./ Quoting curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com:   Doug, thanks for taking the time to fully explain your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-14 Thread rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for all the information. I apologize for ever calling you authorfriend - I didn't realize that you preferred your real name, Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my concerns about Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it is OK to use Doug's real name officially. Much appreciated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
CDB, I am glad you are back and I hope I can lend you as well as some others who would return some protection of trust and safety here to write more freely. The railroading of you by invasion of privacy was one of the more infamous times of abuse on FFL. That personalized invasion of your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FWIW, Buck hasn't been around for quite some time now. The person appointed to moderate FFL (i.e., to ensure posts do not violate the Yahoo Guidelines) is Doug Hamilton. That should answer at least some of your questions. Thank

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FWIW, Buck hasn't been around for quite some time now. The person appointed to moderate FFL (i.e., to ensure posts do not violate the Yahoo Guidelines) is Doug Hamilton. That should answer at least some of your questions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion   FWIW, Buck hasn't been around for quite some time now. The person appointed to moderate FFL (i.e., to ensure posts do not violate the Yahoo Guidelines) is Doug Hamilton. That should

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : My recollection is that Doug was here, as Doug, for quite awhile after you joined us before becoming Buck. Maybe someone else remembers the chronology more clearly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I didn't snip it as a statement about your posting it Judy. I am just exercising and abundance of caution in these changing times where I don't expect the benefit of any doubt. I looked back at a few of Buck's posts and didn't see his name so until he directly says it is OK to me I am trying to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
My recollection is that Doug was here, as Doug, for quite awhile after you joined us before becoming Buck. Maybe someone else remembers the chronology more clearly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
causality of Buck's ascendency to the moderator's throne after all. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion FWIW, Buck hasn't been around for quite

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Regarding your snippage below, Rick's policy has always been that the use of real names is prohibited only if the person wishes to remain anonymous. Doug uses his real first name to sign his posts, and his last name is in the header of his posts, so there was no need to snip it. Mine isn't in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be. Doug will get bounced as moderator by Rick if he overdoes things, and he knows

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion

2015-06-13 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be. Me: I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion about Samâdhi and Liberation

2014-10-05 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Perhaps I've misunderstood, perhaps you have, or perhaps Shankara is simply wrong. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Lawson sez: L: In order for perception to be perception, there must be a physical nervous system. This is contradicted by the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion about Samâdhi and Liberation

2014-10-05 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/5/2014 11:19 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Perhaps I've misunderstood, perhaps you have, or perhaps Shankara is simply wrong. /MMY points out that even samadhi, which is already the state of Yoga in the sense of transcendental consciousness, serves as a means to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion about Samâdhi and Liberation

2014-10-05 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Do you mean this? Brihadaranyaka Upanishad - Shankara Bhashya translated by Swami Madhavananda https://archive.org/stream/Brihadaranyaka.Upanishad.Shankara.Bhashya.by.Swami.Madhavananda#page/n137/mode/2up Brihadaranyaka Upanishad - Shankara Bhashya translated by Swami Madhavananda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Vaj
On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:40 AM, authfriend wrote: Stop trying to twist people intentions as if you knew what they were. Yeah, it's a drag when somebody sees right through your intentions, ain't it? You tell me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: Indian yogis personified the fields of nature... You need to get some smarts, Mr. Bharat2. There were no 'yogis' mentioned in the Vedas. It was the Vedic authors who personified the forces of nature. Patanjali does not mention any 'forces of nature' in his Yoga Sutras.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
When the Rishis wanted to express the silent value of pure consciousness they gave a name Shiva Mr. Henry Herzberger needs to read some Indian history. There's no mention of 'Shiva' in the Rig Veda and no mention of any bija mantras. The various Hindu sects, Shaivaism, Vaishnaiva, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
emptybill wrote: Over the years I have heard an argument professed by some former TM meditators who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantra-s. Have you noticed, Bill, how rapidly the content of messages like this go from intelligence to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Indian yogis personified the fields of nature... You need to get some smarts, Mr. Bharat2. There were no 'yogis' mentioned in the Vedas. It was the Vedic authors who personified the forces of nature. Patanjali does not mention any

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
All the Indian deified heros such as Vasudeva, Rama, Ramchandra, and Krishna came long after the composition of the Vedas in 1500 B.C. Bhairitu wrote: Depends upon the translations doesn't it? No. You are mistaken if you mean the Rig Veda refers to a dark lustful youth playing on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belief is gods is silly. OffWorld Belief in humans is silly. The gods, over cocktails

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread gullible fool
The gods need humans to invent things like cocktails. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belief is gods is silly. OffWorld Belief in humans is silly. The gods, over cocktails To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gods need humans to invent things like cocktails. Wouldn't that be a cool thing to have on your resume? Bartender, the Samadhi bar at the Brahmaloka Hilton: * Designed, mixed and served cocktails from the finest *

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread Vaj
On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread Vaj
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread Vaj
On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread emptybill
On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-17 Thread Vaj
On Sep 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, emptybill wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the years I have heard an argument professed by some former TM meditators who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantra-s. I have also seen similar declarations put

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation Belief is gods is silly. You don’t think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Indian yogis personified the fields of nature they perceived to make the science of yoga more understandable to the general public. I heard a great lecture on this when in Cochin once. Personification also makes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread qntmpkt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Indian yogis personified the fields of nature they perceived to make the science of yoga more understandable to the general public. I heard a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread tertonzeno
--Thx, Authfriend, excellent article! (but there's one minor flaw in it). He's implying that such entities are only symbolic of impersonal forces and forgot the convenient fact that the Deities are also real Personalities that can interact with humans, just as humans can interact with other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation Do you think any subtle or celestial beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread Marek Reavis
Judy, a very good find, thanks. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Indian yogis personified the fields of nature they perceived to make the science of yoga more understandable to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, a very good find, thanks. I'd completely forgotten it existed. I can't believe I came across it entirely accidentally right on the heels of emptybill's post on the same topic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread Bronte Baxter
Indra The Unifying Value of the Self which unifies all the laws of nature in order to promote evolution (the Power of dharma) Indrani or Sachi The feminine power of unification and evolution Hmm. If gods are simply anthropomophisms invented by the sages to explain concepts they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation

2007-09-16 Thread Bhairitu
Bronte Baxter wrote: Indra The Unifying Value of the Self which unifies all the laws of nature in order to promote evolution (the Power of dharma) Indrani or Sachi The feminine power of unification and evolution Hmm. If gods are simply anthropomophisms invented by the sages