[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras [Mason]

2006-03-11 Thread Jason Spock
Sometime in the 1980's, the Libyan Premier, Muamar Gaddafi approached india for two Nuclear Warheads. He said, in return he would supply unlimited amount of Oil. The Indian government wisely refused the offer.Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras [Reavis]

2006-03-11 Thread Jason Spock
Please Note, the Vanarahs of Monkeys are incarnations of Devas. Vali was the incarnation of indra the king of the Devas. Hanuman incarnation of Vayu and so on. Ravana got a boon fromShiva that no celestial could kill him. So the Devas incarnated themselves as Monkeys to assist Vishnu who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras [Reavis]

2006-03-11 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:20:15 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras Nisargadatta said on more than one occassion that he preferred to speak with Westerners rather than with Indians because the Westerners were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras [Reavis]

2006-03-11 Thread Marek Reavis
Perhaps so -- and if so, who knows how many different ways what you have said (below) could be reconciled with what Nisargadatta said or if that makes any difference; both ways of understanding the monkey (and bear) armies of the Ramayana speak to different ways of interpreting the narrative. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras [Reavis]

2006-03-11 Thread Marek Reavis
Thank you very much for the suggestion. I have the deepest respect (and affection) for Nisargadatta and consider him one the big influences in my life, perhaps second in my heart only to Maharishi and Guru Dev. Coming upon him (here, of course, on FFL) only a few years after I had re-begun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: +++ someone should point out that the west was started after the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Vaj
On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:08 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:If westerners are such asuras, why do modern gurus have to develop a following of western asuras and the bankrolls that they provide to even be heard in their homeland? Are *satvic* easterners more dense, than the asuras or what? Sometimes the smoke

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
When I visited Libya I found a most advanced and prosperous nation - not a bunch of crazy terrorists. In Iran I found people the friendliest of any country that I had visited - not a country looking to alienate itself. In Afghanistan I found a people curious about the outside world - not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I don't know if Vimalananda would say that his eastern counterparts were asurian incarnations (he might, I'm not sure), he certainly did NOT have much flattering to say of the first waves of swamis and yogis who came

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I don't think he is saying that westerners are asuras as a flat, generic statement--he's pointing out the mechanism by which *some* westerners--a handful really--are predisposed to flights of ego and premature

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Vaj
On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Not to mention judgmental, superior and, as I think Jim described so well, with a high degree of jerk-ness.  I might add 'being a bigoted asshole,' but that's just me. :-) Well hopefully you'd have the common sense to read some of his teachings before

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Vaj
On Mar 7, 2006, at 8:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Not to mention judgmental, superior and, as I think Jim described so well, with a high degree of jerk-ness.  I might add 'being a bigoted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well then maybe you want to avoid Robert's books on VImalananda. I avoid books by Robert Svoboda period. I read one. That's enough for a lifetime. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Vaj
On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well then maybe you want to avoid Robert's books on  VImalananda.  I avoid books by Robert Svoboda period. I read one. That's enough for a lifetime. :-)  I've never heard anyone say

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Well then maybe you want to avoid Robert's books on VImalananda. I avoid books by Robert Svoboda period. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-07 Thread Vaj
On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Well then maybe you want to avoid Robert's books on VImalananda. I avoid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to make a similar comment, but couldn't come up with anything nearly as good as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- "It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you   have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Marek Reavis
**Another take below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Another take on Westerners seeking Indian wisdom was expressed more than once by Nisargadatta in the following way.  He said that the Westerners had been soldiers in Lord Rama's monkey army; and that as their reward in assisting Rama in rescuing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Aghori Vimalananda had a bit of an ego too. Unless, as Vaj suggests, all of this was tongue in cheek, a joke. I'm unconvinced that's the case, but I dunno. Yahoo! Groups

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: Sounds like Aghori Vimalananda had a bit of an ego too. Unless, as Vaj suggests, all of this was tongue in cheek, a joke. I'm unconvinced that's the case, but I dunno. My

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age schlock that passes as eastern wisdom these days. There's probably something in Vimalananda to upset just abut anyone. But Aghori tantrics aren't for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age   schlock that passes as "eastern wisdom" these days. There's probably something in Vimalananda to upset just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age schlock that passes as eastern wisdom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:11 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new  age

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:11 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: