I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences
Judy.
No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than
that, Curtis.
For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t):
Curtis, did you understand the point I was making
here? To avoid a discussion of Lifton's criteria,
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As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria
in
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria
in
On Feb 27, 2007, at 12:53 AM, geezerfreak wrote:
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As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria
in considerable detail with
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snip
Singer was at least as bad, FWIW. But Markovsky was very
happy to have been appointed editor of her anticult
journal, until that whole project fell through.
You should know that Markovsky required editorial
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Singer was at least as bad, FWIW. But Markovsky was very
happy to have been appointed editor of her anticult
journal, until that whole
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I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina
understands thought reform as a metaphor.
No, I know that. I was saying I didn't think she did.
I'm just suggesting that anyone who writes something
for
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I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina
understands thought reform as a metaphor.
No, I know that. I was saying I
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So who are you concerned about?
I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John.
I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's
criteria this way, rather that if anybody were to
do so, they should make it
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So who are you concerned about?
I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John.
I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's
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So who are you concerned about?
I'm not sure why this was so
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I'm trying to understand your purpose. It seemed you were
warning readers about something that had not taken place.
Yes, John, warnings are typically about something
that has not yet taken place. An after-the-fact
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I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy.
No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than
that, Curtis.
For
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
I am just claiming that it helped me understand my
I'll think more carefully about what you wrote here. For now I will
admit that my comment on your caps was a bit dickish of me.
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
TM-Free Blog/a post a few of our
important articles here from time to time.
Oh yes, what an outstanding and important piece of journalism !
You
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
href=http://tmfree.blogspot.com;TM-Free Blog/a post a few of
our
important articles here from time to time.
John, you are every bit the martinet
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
href=http://tmfree.blogspot.com;TM-Free Blog/a post a few
of our
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
href=http://tmfree.blogspot.com;TM-Free Blog/a post a few of
our
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:24 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I think it's good to keep in mind that the above was
written by a guy who claims to be Self Realized, and
who gives Maharishi all the credit for that.
Maybe he's attained Supermarket Consciousness like his teacher?
I guess Walmart
You and I have talked this one to death Judy. At this point we could
write each others points. I didn't read Gina's piece but I do know
that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control
principles did apply to full time members in the TM group. It may not
have much relevance to
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You and I have talked this one to death Judy. At this point we could
write each others points. I didn't read Gina's piece but I do know
that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control
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You and I have talked this one to death Judy. At this
point we could write each others points.
Afraid not, Curtis. In fact, I *repeatedly* asked
you on alt.m.t to discuss Lifton's theories as you
believed they
Then I must have discussed it to my own satisfaction and not yours
Judy. I think it is good for people to read the source material and
decide for themselves about this stuff. It was valuable for me, it
may not be for you. I do not have an interest in trying to convince
you or anyone how I found
On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:03 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Then I must have discussed it to my own satisfaction and not yours
Judy. I think it is good for people to read the source material and
decide for themselves about this stuff. It was valuable for me, it
may not be for you. I do not have an
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Then I must have discussed it to my own satisfaction and not yours
Judy. I think it is good for people to read the source material and
decide for themselves about this stuff. It was valuable for me, it
may not
Curtis, only 18 years? No wonder. You need at least 20
years to reach terminal velocity.
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Then I must have discussed it to my own satisfaction
and not yours
Judy. I think it is good for people to read the
source material and
decide for
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Hi,
A reader of FFL wrote to me recently suggesting that we at a
I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy.
Why would I want to argue with you about my own experiences in the
movement 20 years ago and how I view them? They are obviously
radically different from your own. No need to call me dishonest
because I don't want to fight
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On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:24 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I think it's good to keep in mind that the above was
written by a guy who claims to be Self Realized, and
who gives Maharishi all the credit for that.
Maybe he's
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy.
No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than
that, Curtis.
For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t):
It seems obvious to me that many people here
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Where I agree with Judy is in her statements to the effect that
Lifton's writing is sloppy -- at least as looked at from a more
scientific viewpoint. Barry Markovsky is an instance of a TM critic
who would not
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I guess Walmart Consciousness (WC) is next. Don't forget to flush.
P.S. Glad I could help:
FACT SHEET
Bridgeton Wal-Mart
Store Fast Facts
Location:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria
in considerable detail with somebody *else* who came
along and tried the same
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