[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-02 Thread curtisdeltablues
That was what I was seeking from you Ravi, an authentic post. I really appreciate it. I am sort of the opposite of a spiritual guy in the sense that spiritual people talk about seeing the infinite, the universal and the God in others and that connects them. I am seeking a human connection, a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-02 Thread Ravi Yogi
Curtis, Thanks for those beautiful thoughts, I had to admit defeat to your dogged persistence. But the truth is always the winner, it's the supreme consciousness admiring it's own creation through the eyes of Curtis defeating supreme consciousness admiring it's own creation through the eyes of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-02 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Oh yeah you do seem to love the beloved in your own way :-) You mean like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uzz4I_Yv1Mfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uzz4I_Yv1Mfeature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-01 Thread Ravi Yogi
I have addressed this in the past that the 3 V's of Vairaagya (dispassion), Viveka (discrimination) and Vichaara (inquiry) is the proper use of intellect, and that intellect is on the payroll of the higher self and not does the bidding of the ego. Whoring of the ego is what I refer to as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-01 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: In the meantime I hope to read your exchanges with Jim whom you seem to regard as on your level. He may be a better man for this job. Some things just make me laugh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-01 Thread whynotnow7
Thanks - I get it. The history angle is interesting, in that this game of mind games to avoid realization has been going on apparently as long as realization has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I have addressed this in the past that the 3 V's of Vairaagya

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-05-01 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yes I'm sincere in my love to my beloved and I do love to share that. It might come across as special state of mind, condescending,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Steve, no I don't think I am stopping anyone from expressing their POV, I don't have any intention of doing so and I think its quite a stretch of imagination to think I have the power to do so. But my loyalty to my beloved remains and being a man I have to defend her by being aggressive and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) That may be so but you spend quite a bit of time here presenting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip I sense a spark of sincerity in you Ravi. I am fanning that. I like this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Steve, no I don't think I am stopping anyone from expressing their POV, I don't have any intention of doing so and I think its quite a stretch of imagination to think I have the power to do so. I didn't mean to imply that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I sense a spark of sincerity in you Ravi. I am fanning that. I like this. Thanks Steve. Remember the discussions I had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I sense a spark of sincerity in you Ravi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread tartbrain
Frank Patangalli? He got offed by the family after his betrayal, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Yes you are right I meant Patanjali. Curtis: That

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutphen@... wrote: Damn hammer! Peter But its the only tool I got, so I am in deep heat looking for an f'ing nail to slam. On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:39 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: How about, I am nothing. Lower than the lowest. No different from dog poo (or god poo). Ready and eager to help my self where ever I find me. Accomplishing nothing. Having nothing. Doing nothing. No fortune or fame. Nothing that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: How about, I am nothing. Lower than the lowest. No different from dog poo (or god poo). Ready and eager to help my self where ever I find me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread tartbrain
It was pre expresso morning brain dribble. But If James or Steven Tyler want to anthem it out, I would give my blessings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: How about, I am nothing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Steve, no I don't think I am stopping anyone from expressing their POV, I don't have any intention of doing so and I think its quite a stretch of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So you can do nothing wrong in my eyes and you have never insulted the beloved. That's a relief (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: snip the only difference is that I defend my beloved and you defend your whore (intellect). Folks, it's a good line. May be the best we have all week.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I sense a spark of sincerity in you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutphen@ wrote: Damn hammer! Peter But its the only tool I got, so I am in deep heat looking for an f'ing nail to slam. You clearly seem to have lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread whynotnow7
Dude, can you please explain what you mean with whoring the intellect? Use of the intellect is necessary as a means of discrimination. But there seems to be a particular way in which the intellect is used when you refer to it as 'whoring'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I disagree with the monks in that the divine, if real, must be omnipresent, so if I'm to honor that, then ordinary life has to have the deepest divinity

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread Peter L Sutphen
Damn hammer! Peter On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:39 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread whynotnow7
Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on it (wiki-p), and the distinction appears to be a troll is someone making disruptive posts, in order to provoke an emotional reaction, vs. those participating in a current discussion, or presenting an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on it (wiki-p), and the distinction appears to be a troll is someone making disruptive posts, in order to provoke an emotional

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread whynotnow7
Thanks Curtis - non-trollish here too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread Ravi Yogi
Truth needs no acknowledgement, whereas lies have to be repeated over and over again 'cause so much has been invested in it :-). People who indulge mindlessly need constant reassurance, approval and acknowledgement - been there and done that. The only person I looked to for acknowledgment

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Truth needs no acknowledgement, whereas lies have to be repeated over and over again 'cause so much has been invested in it :-). People who indulge mindlessly need constant reassurance, approval and acknowledgement - been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread WillyTex
curtisdeltablues: In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Yep! I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus. - Curtis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: curtisdeltablues: In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Yep! I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus. - Curtis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread WillyTex
Curtis: That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara. But, the thread was about Patanjali. You said Patanjali was 'full of it' and his premises are 'bogus'. Why would you be telling Buck that Patanjali was bogus if you wanted to dialog with Buck about Yoga? It doesn't make any sense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread Ravi Yogi
Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) and I'm saying end the fascination with the whore (intellect) and chose the blissful orgasm with the beloved. It may sound routine and trollish

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: You post more than I do here Ravi so I don't know what you are talking about with the lies have to be repeated over and over and you have little use for words pitch. Obviously you feel the same desire to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Yes you are right I meant Patanjali. Curtis: That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara. But, the thread was about Patanjali. You said Patanjali was 'full of it' and his premises are 'bogus'. Why would you be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread seventhray1
I guess the question I have Rav, is, are you going to stomp on every infraction you see? I liked Jim's challenge, if that's what you want to call it. It help get some clarification from Curtis and Ravi. And really Ravi, I like your perspective. But I just wonder if you are going to continue

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread whynotnow7
With Ravi, he is a bhakti, or so he appears, as he expresses his Eastern mind to the West that way. Let's face it, big difference (at least straddling the two worlds during my life so far, that is my impression). So when he talks about his particular imagery, it is singular. How can the heart

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-29 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: With Ravi, he is a bhakti, or so he appears, as he expresses his Eastern mind to the West that way. Let's face it, big difference (at least straddling the two worlds during my life so far, that is my impression). So when he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: But I have to say that watching these guys on Mt. Athos made me feel as though I was watching people who had decided that rather than being open to life on its own terms and discovering truth, they had opted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
the rest of the way...or you could ride it right in. It doesn't really matter. But one thing is clear, you leave the friggin' boat behind! --- On Wed, 4/27/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued an appreciation for their alternative lifestyle

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Good stuff, Curtis. Where you're coming from is why the Buddha told everyone to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread emptybill
This essay was for Vaj to consider if he wished to read it. In his previous comments, he brought up the theurgy of Iamblichus and it's parallelism with Orthodox liturgy, like that briefly shown on the 60-Minutes program. The essay included in the reply addresses some of these issues but is not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that there can in principle be no proof or reasons to support a belief in life after death. Conscious dying is practiced is a number of yogic traditions. All involve learning how to die BEFORE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that there can in principle be no proof or reasons to support a belief in life after death. Conscious dying is practiced is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that there can in principle be no proof or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You're taking this too personally and so you see it as a personal put-down. snip Getting a world infatuated person to understand this point is just a waste of time. It's like trying to teach chess to a monkey. I am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that there can in principle be no proof or reasons to support a belief in life after death. Conscious dying is practiced

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:02 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that there can in principle be no proof or reasons to support a belief in life

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread merudanda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: But one thing is clear, you leave the friggin' boat behind! What Will It Take For You To Step Out Of The Boat?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not sure where I asked you to assume a belief with no good reason. All I'm recommending is that you have the humility to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread whynotnow7
@ wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
First of all I appreciate the area you are clarifying and challenging in my statement. And thinking about it has been helpful for me to find my own limits. Taking the time to pursue ideas in detail is a luxury in this world. This seems to be the heart of it: Judy: It was your initial

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: The humility angle may be getting overworked here. But the intellectual position that I have not seen adequate evidence for a belief, that I am really sure I have not seen enough evidence or reasons is not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I don't believe that anything I bring up in these discussion needs to be labeled non sequitur just because it doesn't directly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Duveyoung
Nice piece, Dude. But, but, but, aren't we all as if in our own private ashrams in that we also have routines that are equally as hard wired, and that we mindfully have put into place? Even the mundane is ritualized thereby. I always have mustard with my hot dog just as much as these guys

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:02 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Huh?? What theoretical case? That idea that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. But, but, but, aren't we all as if in our own private ashrams in that we also have routines that are equally as hard wired, and that we mindfully have put into

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: I disagree with the monks in that the divine, if real, must be omnipresent, so if I'm to honor that, then ordinary life has to have the deepest divinity available, and the only missing element is my intent to see it or,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
Reading the inane FFL comments here about this 60-Minutes CBS expose of Mt. Athos helps to contrast the basic viewpoint of monastics (as contemplatives who practice seriously) with some of these meditators who profess to have been meditating 30+ years. From the monastic viewpoint, the world -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Reading the inane FFL comments here about this 60-Minutes CBS expose of Mt. Athos helps to contrast the basic viewpoint of monastics (as contemplatives who practice seriously) with some of these meditators who profess to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread seventhray1
I take it you were impressed by what you saw, or what you know about the daily living on Mt. Athos. I had kind of expected something different. It seemed more formal, and more ceremonial than I had expected. Really, I question the degree of spirtituality present there. What do you think? ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread Vaj
On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: I take it you were impressed by what you saw, or what you know about the daily living on Mt. Athos. I had kind of expected something different. It seemed more formal, and more ceremonial than I had expected. Really, I question the degree

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip One gets the feeling that you think hierarchically, and have fallen for the trap of believing that one of these ways of life is higher or more evolved than the other. I see them as merely two different approaches,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes

2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued an appreciation for their alternative lifestyle. Sort of how I view people way into the tattoo culture, interesting, but I keep my distance. I certainly dig the chanting and the Jungian

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2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life. Really important things. Things I had believed were irrefutable. So now I have a bit more humble pie on my dinner table and a whole lot more of a

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2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Reading the inane FFL comments here about this 60-Minutes CBS expose of Mt. Athos FWIW, it didn't seem to be an expose, at least the text version of the

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2011-04-27 Thread Peter
. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued an appreciation for their alternative lifestyle.  Sort of how I view people way

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2011-04-27 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued an appreciation for their alternative lifestyle. Sort of how I view people way into the tattoo

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2011-04-27 Thread whynotnow7
! --- On Wed, 4/27/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time

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2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
Hmmm ... this must be from that very rare Pali Sutta just recently translated into English: Kill the Buddha Before He Kills You Could you tell me where to find it in the Nikaya-s? I'm jus' so styoopid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter

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2011-04-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I had such a charming time with the Cistercian monks when I was into spirituality that I have continued an appreciation for their alternative lifestyle. Sort of how I view people way into the tattoo

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2011-04-27 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: I take it you were impressed by what you saw, or what you know about the daily living on Mt. Athos. I had kind of expected something different. It seemed more formal,

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2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life. Really important things. Things I had believed were irrefutable. So now I have a

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2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
Fervent soliloquy from your self to yourself. Appears to be your experience of what unity must be like - your own form of self-referral. This has nothing to do with the realities of monasticism but you can still make grand proclamations to Turq and he can make some back to you. Everyone doing

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2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
A fundamentally protestant judgment. It's all a bunch of empty ceremony, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I take it you were impressed by what you saw, or what you know about the daily living on Mt. Athos. I had kind of expected something

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2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life.

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2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Fervent soliloquy from your self to yourself. Appears to be your experience of what unity must be like - your own form of self-referral. This has nothing to do with the realities of monasticism but you can still make

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2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
? --- On Wed, 4/27/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 11:25 AM I had such a charming time

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2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues

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2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
Hesse was never a monastic so he was just imagining what he thought it was. It is actually much more and also much less than your imagination. Everything in monasticism depends upon the individual monastic. Most Eastern Orthodox monasteries clothe and feed their own members along with their

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2011-04-27 Thread Yifu
I love all the diverse opinions, great work everyone! (I haven't decided yet what the truth is,...but maybe some day). But on the whole, instead of visiting either of those Monkish places, I would recommend spending time watching The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. ... A Daniel Craig sequel coming

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2011-04-27 Thread emptybill
Cultic participation does not equal monastic experience. Your judgments about it are not informed by a real direct experience, in spite of your assumptions that you are experienced like Jimmy Hendrix. Monasticism is really much better and/or much worse than the CBS program depicts, depending on

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2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I've been wrong about a lot of things in my

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2011-04-27 Thread Yifu
Excellent!...another expert on what's authentic. Now we have two. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/vampire-throneroom.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Cultic participation does not equal monastic experience. Your judgments about it are not informed by a

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2011-04-27 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Excellent!...another expert on what's authentic. Now we have two. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/vampire-throneroom.jpg Exactly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Cultic participation does

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2011-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Excellent!...another expert on what's authentic. Now we have two. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/vampire-throneroom.jpg Exactly. But for heaven's sake,

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2011-04-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues

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