We all need to bear in mind that Vaj is perfectly
capable of making up elaborate stories about what
he's seen and heard of TMers.
If it weren't for the fact that coldbluice left
two posts on FFL in April that completely
contradicted Vaj's recent account of coldbluice's
experiences, we'd never
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars
or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional to see by those with waking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
i am talking about realizing the full benefit of the technique,
including overcoming false views, such as yours. unfortunately there
are many techniques, including your own that never result in full
benefit- boo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@
wrote:
[...]
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
i am talking about realizing the full benefit of the technique,
including overcoming false views, such as yours. unfortunately
there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
what irks me as i have said before is that the detractors of the
technique here, like jive, have very little practice with the
technique. its like a finger painter criticizing van gogh. and to
use another
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
what irks me as i have said before is that the detractors of the
technique here, like jive, have very little practice with the
Ruth wrote:
Tell me about how TM has helped you.
Well, I don't have my 'serotonin meter'
hooked up right now, so I can't answer
your question accurately - I can tell
you that I awoke from the long rest
after having performed the 'Night Tech'.
And after the first round this morning
I think
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
willy...@... wrote:
Ruth wrote:
Tell me about how TM has helped you.
Well, I don't have my 'serotonin meter'
hooked up right now, so I can't answer
your question accurately - I can tell
you that I awoke from the long rest
Thank you for sharing this. First time that you have seemed like a
real person to me. :)
That was exactly what I felt when I read it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
willytex@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:
You must know that people are here for varied reasons, yes? Do you
believe that TM is good for everyone?
For all the varied reasons people are in incarnation at this point, TM
certainly does put them right smack in the
On Dec 12, 2008, at 7:43 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Well, I don't have my 'serotonin meter'
hooked up right now, so I can't answer
your question accurately - I can tell
you that I awoke from the long rest
after having performed the 'Night Tech'.
And after the first round this morning
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
i am talking about realizing the full benefit of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
Why the huge discrepancy in your own practice? Could it be an
errant
practice and a straying into false views?
I simply love this statement from
Om, that is succinct. Lack of Transparency, Money, power and sex
mixed together.
that pretty much is the story on them out in the marketplace.
Is going to be hard for them to shake or dodge their past given the
nature of the internet without their going forward upright. That
would be about
On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:20 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Om, that is succinct. Lack of Transparency, Money, power and sex
mixed together.
A turning point for me--and a good touchstone for any meditative org--
was to see up close how people who practice a certain teaching fully
actually are. In
Vaj wrote:
In the 80's I popped in with an old friend
at Purusha headquarters in the Catskills.
You just 'popped in' to the Purusha headquarters
in the Catskills with an old friend? How did you
do that - I can't even get into the Radiance Dome
without a printed pass, but they let you into
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
In the 80's I popped in with an old friend
at Purusha headquarters in the Catskills.
You just 'popped in' to the Purusha headquarters
in the Catskills with an old friend? How did you
do that - I can't even get into the
-pure equnimity.
--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New section on TM and Cults posted on Truth
About TM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:50 AM
On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:20 AM
On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote:
Vaj, its a little one-sided to classify everybody on Purusha as
edogenous heroin addicts (interesting term, by the way) I spent
a year on Purusha when it first started and just like the TMO in
general and like anyother spiritual group you have
Vaj wrote:
I wasn't referring to ALL Purusha Pete, just the
ones I met in South Fallsburg...
At South Fallsburg, Muktananda used to stand behind
a curtain in the evening, watching the girls coming
back to the dormitory. He asked Mary to come to his
bedroom several times, and gave her gifts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
Vaj, its a little one-sided to classify everybody on Purusha
as edogenous heroin addicts (interesting term, by the way) I spent a
year on Purusha when it first started and just like the TMO in general
and like anyother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
wrote:
Vaj, its a little one-sided to classify everybody on Purusha
as edogenous heroin addicts (interesting term, by the way) I
spent a
year on Purusha
Does the Western TM-movement still scoop half of the receipts and send
them to the Indian movement/family in India?
29487
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29487?threaded=1l=1
that pretty much is the story on them out in the marketplace.
Is going to be hard for them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
And if THAT doesn't raise warning bells with you, nothing will.
That last phrase
makes the TM researchers sound like total skeptics.
Lawson
yeah, similar to this new major meditation research center, there
are these blind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
And if THAT doesn't raise warning bells with you, nothing will.
That last phrase
makes the TM researchers sound like total skeptics.
Lawson
On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
Do you and Lawson know anything about this new funding for a research
center? Or are you making assumptions based on what Vaj said?
Dawn, on what do you base your assertion that 20 years of meditating
experience is more or less required to draw
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
And if THAT doesn't raise warning bells with you, nothing will.
That last phrase
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
willy...@... wrote:
Vaj wrote:
In the 80's I popped in with an old friend
at Purusha headquarters in the Catskills.
You just 'popped in' to the Purusha headquarters
in the Catskills with an old friend? How did you
do that -
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional to see by those with waking state funny names is that
they haven't practiced TM for anything like 20 years. i have.
this reduces their remarks to nothing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
Do you and Lawson know anything about this new funding for a research
center? Or are you making assumptions based on what Vaj said?
Dawn, on what do you base your assertion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional to see by those with waking state funny names is that
they haven't practiced
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
[...]
I know about relaxation induced anxiety. Tell me why you think it
fits TM theory? I think it is the other way around, sometimes for
some people when they meditate they become anxious or experience
autogenic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I know about relaxation induced anxiety. Tell me why you think it
fits TM theory? I think it is the other way around, sometimes for
some people
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional to see by those with waking state funny names is that
they haven't practiced TM for anything like 20
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
a master of anything, be it painting pictures, customizing cars or
doing TM takes at least 20 years. the thing that is so
unprofessional to see by those with waking state funny names is that
they haven't practiced
On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
It's a matter of degree... ANY kind of relaxation can induce RIA.
Tyically, normal
relaxation only induces RIA (unstressing) in people with pathology.
However,
TM evokes a deeper level of relaxation than your average relaxation
technique,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I know about relaxation induced anxiety. Tell me why you think it
fits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
It's a matter of degree... ANY kind of relaxation can induce RIA.
Tyically, normal
relaxation only induces RIA (unstressing) in people with pathology.
However,
TM evokes
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
It's a matter of degree... ANY kind of relaxation can induce RIA.
Tyically, normal
relaxation only induces RIA (unstressing) in people with pathology.
However,
TM evokes a deeper level of relaxation than your average relaxation
technique,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo
richardhughes103@
wrote:
One thing's very obvious from hearing Orme-Johnson's comments:
someone affiliated with the TMO is listening to FFL and probably the
TMFree blog...it just shows the power a forum of free speech like
FFL, etc. can have. They're forced to respond (with rather lame
answers) because the banter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
[...]
You only think you're not. Your mantra is what it is we are told it's
just a meaningless sound but it isn't.
Ah, I see, my mantra has meaning, but I
Well, I guess it's settled now - we know who
one of the FFL trolls are. Now all we have to
do is figure out who were the Marshy's main
conspirators. Let's start with Rick and Barry.
There must be at least ten other informants
that frequent this discussion group. I wonder
why they don't confess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing's very obvious from hearing Orme-Johnson's comments:
someone affiliated with the TMO is listening to FFL and probably
the
TMFree blog...it just shows the power a forum of free speech like
FFL, etc. can have.
dawn11 wrote:
Quit trying to go after TM when your own
preferred method of spiritual advancement
just plain sucks.
This is outrageous - apparently one of Vaj's
'Godmen' is now in the dock, accused of murder,
yet Vaj is making up stuff about the Marshy.
Read more:
Godman in the Dock:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
-Original
Om, to collude. What were they thinking?
who all among them helped move that money around? what were they
thinking as they did it? Apparently the money bounced around
between various accounts and shells in the US some and thence to
offshore, Europe and then on to India. Some several
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David Orme-Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM
To: David Orme-Johnson
Subject: New section on TM and Cults posted on Truth About TM
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
---I don't see much truth in this section. His clever choice of words
generates an imprecise reply (typical of TMO responses as a whole,
apart from outright doctoring of stats):
Is anyone getting enlightened? Many people are experiencing the
classical milestones of enlightenment, which arise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the big burr in everyone's butt on this forum about TM? Debunk,
debunk, debunk. For what? So all you X TM ers out there bothering to
pop up your wee heads to pooh pooh TM, I say cut the elitist crap. You
are
Not defending them, just nit-picking for accuracy.
Lawson
yeah, it would still be interesting to know what in the world they
were thinking as they were doing it. It wasn't pocket change those
guys were moving around while Earl was then up at the front door
soliciting people in for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The good news is a new major meditation research center has been
funded in Wisconsin. The researchers already have preliminary studies
on the neural networks in the major forms of meditation. They fully
expect to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
The good news is a new major meditation research center has
been
funded in Wisconsin. The researchers already have preliminary
studies
on the
Or, paraphrasing Mainstream similarly;
Let's see . if people help to keep them free, what responsibility
do they have to future
victims should they continue to defraud ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not defending them, just
On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:49 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Chapters 9 to 14 give a detailed description of the early years
in
which Maharishi established himself in England.
The author passed through a variety of spiritual movements and
spent
about 8 to 10 years meditating with Maharishi and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What's the big burr in everyone's butt on this forum about TM?
snip for brevity
This is a very old story and tiring
story. Like it or not, there's my line in the sand.
You don't live here?
Proly seems important to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:49 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
Chapters 9 to 14 give a detailed description of the early years
in
which Maharishi established himself in England.
The author passed through a variety of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
I am doubtful of this one's credentials, only having practiced
TM 8-
10 years. that's what- 15% of one's adult life? i have heard
that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
I am doubtful of this one's credentials, only having
practiced
TM 8-
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not a cult? That is good. What were the guys thinking when they
went in and pulled the levers to take the Kaplan money and shuttle it
around? That what Maharishi and they were doing was more important
than
On Dec 7, 2008, at 2:51 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
I am doubtful of this one's credentials, only having practiced
TM 8-
10 years. that's what- 15%
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...]
thanks for substantiating what i knew couldn't be accurate about the
research into TM, that the practice would reach stasis after 3
months, or even 8-10 years (ludicrous).
i said earlier in all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Unfortunately, since TM research fails to show any signs of higher
states of consciousness, but instead just continues to show relaxation/
alpha coherence benefits--all within the normal range of alpha for
even
On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Unfortunately, since TM research fails to show any signs of higher
states of consciousness, but instead just continues to show
relaxation/
alpha coherence benefits--all
Not a cult? That is good. What were the guys thinking when they
went in and pulled the levers to take the Kaplan money and shuttle it
around? That what Maharishi and they were doing was more important
than anything else? Like theft? Jai Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Om, how would David O-J just answer a cult test about TM and the TM-
orgs like:
http://www.geocities.com/LeavingNityanandaInstitute/cult_test.htm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL
What's the big burr in everyone's butt on this forum about TM? Debunk,
debunk, debunk. For what? So all you X TM ers out there bothering to
pop up your wee heads to pooh pooh TM, I say cut the elitist crap. You
are s superior in your arguments, s dismissive of Maharishi,
s full of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What's the big burr in everyone's butt on this
forum about TM?
snip
Heh. You arrived on the scene when we were all
preoccupied with the presidential campaigns, and
TM/TMO/MMY/TMer-bashing took a back seat. Now
that the
On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:11 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Om, how would David O-J just answer a cult test about TM and the TM-
orgs like:
http://www.geocities.com/LeavingNityanandaInstitute/cult_test.htm
http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000466.html
Chapters 9 to 14 give a detailed description of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
What's the big burr in everyone's butt on this
forum about TM?
snip
Heh. You arrived on the scene when we were all
preoccupied with the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:11 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Om, how would David O-J just answer a cult test about TM and the
TM-
orgs like:
http://www.geocities.com/LeavingNityanandaInstitute/cult_test.htm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM
To: David Orme-Johnson
Subject: New section on TM and Cults posted on Truth About TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:29 PM
To: David Orme-Johnson
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