Thanks for your balance in these posts, Lurk.
I have to admit to not having read Edg's rant,
but from past performance I could get the gist
of where it was heading from the first few lines.
The image that sprung to mind before I clicked
Next was that old cartoon that shows a mouse
humping away at
Vaj:
This is esp. the case for diehard TMers since
TM/TMSP, etc. would be primary examples of
Boomeritis Hinduism,
According to Ken Wilber, there is a 'spectrum of
consciousness', that includes waking, dreaming,
dreamless sleep, and a non-dual transcendental
state. So, Wilber seems to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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Another
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Wilber's vertical-vs.-horizontal development scheme also
makes excellent sense
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Wilber's
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
Another conceptually more accurate way of
understanding or conceptualizing this is that
the more we can surrender our ego to the Self,
the more we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
Whose model of development are you using?
I have
On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Irmeli wrote:
Also the book 'Integral Spirituality' by Ken Wilber is a good read,
but it may be at least for a beginner conceptually difficult.
Maybe the book 'A Brief History of Everything' is easier to start
with and become familiar with Wilber's thinking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
Another conceptually more accurate way of
understanding or conceptualizing
Lurk,
Thanks for the challenge. The I saw levitation statement is just for
starters, but so much that Barry says toggles my decision maker with red alerts
that he is a poser and a world class wannabe.
Yes, I think I'm inserting my own agenda when I characterize Barry, so it's
tough to sort
Thanks for the come back Edg. I guess my somewhat lame response might
be that, people don't always respond the way you expect them to respond.
The press doesn't always chase the stories you expect them to chase. The
government doesn't alwasy pounce on all the odd occurances you might
expect them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
[snip]
Did he see or did he delude himself that he saw the act of levitation by Rama
while he, Barry, was but one of many co-witnesses on lots of occasions?
[snip]
Barry has often said that he was only one of many
You know this has really become a ridiculous line of doubt. Just do what I did
and google Frederick Lenz and levitation.
Within 2 minutes I had hundreds of people talking about watching Freddie
levitate. It's a topic on the sites still devoted to him, and sites negative to
all things
You know this has really become a ridiculous line of doubt. Just do what I did
and google Frederick Lenz and levitation.
Within 2 minutes I had hundreds of people talking about watching Freddie
levitate. It's a topic on the sites still devoted to him, and sites negative to
all things
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:
You know this has really become a ridiculous line of doubt. Just do what I
did and google Frederick Lenz and levitation.
Within 2 minutes I had hundreds of people talking about watching Freddie
levitate. It's a topic on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:
You know this has really become a ridiculous line of doubt. Just do what I
did and google Frederick Lenz and levitation.
Within 2 minutes I had hundreds of people talking about watching Freddie
levitate. It's a topic on
I wasn't on drugs, if that's what you're implying.
Neither were the thousands of others who exper-
ienced the same things I did. Were we hallucinating
in the sense that we saw and experienced things that
a video camera wouldn't have captured? Possibly. But
that does not mean we didn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
I wasn't on drugs, if that's what you're implying.
Neither were the thousands of others who exper-
ienced the same things I did. Were we hallucinating
in the sense that we saw and experienced things that
a video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
Nablusoss wrote:
It will happen, perhaps. For example the tape from Seelisberg where the
videoguy in the bus outside Kulm who had the tape running and was waiting
for Maharishi to come. He did, slowly from the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote:
My
friend will shake his/her head and ask where did this come from but that's
the way my unconscious works. Reshift, reshift, reshift, getting my
understanding of things better digested.
I think
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques.
I don't doubt this. Certainly there was a reason for it. An important one is
that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
There was in Grand Duchy of Finland (then part of Russia)
a strange feller called Kuikka-Koponen (Abel Koponen, 1833 - 1890).
It is told that some people saw him get *inside* a horse
through its arsehole. He was claimed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
I wasn't on drugs, if that's what you're implying.
Neither were the thousands of others who exper-
ienced the same things I did. Were we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
There was in Grand Duchy of Finland (then part of Russia)
a strange feller called Kuikka-Koponen (Abel Koponen, 1833 - 1890).
It is told that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
No one in this forum has
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
I wasn't on drugs, if that's what you're implying.
Neither were the thousands of others who exper-
ienced the same things I did. Were we hallucinating
Tell us the truth. Were you hallucinating
when you saw the levitation?
RD:
Too bad all those thousands of people who
experienced Rama levitating pre-mobile phone
days didn't upload a video of him hovering in
mid-air...
Too bad Rama levitating in front of thousands
of people
Seeing colors in a black-and-white pic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0T3z_mEpdkfeature=PlayListp=BB2029B883654D65index=1
http://tinyurl.com/yg6hdsw
Watch at about 7:00 onwards..
Barry fibbed about Rama levitating? Ya don't say. I guess if Barry says he
experienced Rama levitating rather than he saw Rama levitating he thinks it
gives him cover for lying. So, WillyTex, if no one other than Barry
experienced Rama levitating, was he also lying that thousands of people also
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques.
I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Tell us the truth. Were you hallucinating
when you saw the levitation?
RD:
Too bad all those thousands of people who
experienced Rama levitating pre-mobile phone
days didn't upload a video of him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:
Actually, I had a friend, a former TM teacher now deceased,
who was a student of Rama's around the time Barry must have
been there. This friend also talked of seeing Rama levitate
on many occasions. He also saw him move
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:
Whose model of development are you using?
I have for years now had keen interest in Ken Wilber's philosophy, and also
other spiritual teacher's and scientists' thinking in those circles. I'm a
member of Integral
If Rama levitated in the desert, maybe it was a mirage. Is it possible to video
a mirage? Your friend's hand washing thing sounds like OCD.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
Tell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
I wasn't on drugs, if that's what you're implying.
Neither were the thousands of others who exper-
ienced the same things I did. Were we hallucinating
in the sense that we saw and experienced things that
a video camera
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
snip
The severe problem was how it got implemented. The tools
and tactics used belong to the category of fanatic
fundamentalism. This implies to me that Maharishi was in
his personal structural development still at
Turq:
But did it *happen*? On a physical level? Of course
not. If it had, astronomers all over the world would
have gone bull goose loony.
So, you're thinking that objects are NOT exactly as
they appear. That objects are CHANGED by the very act
of being obeserved. And that objects are not
RD:
Barry fibbed about Rama levitating?
Only about the 'thousands' of people who saw
the Rama levitating and hovering. There is a
constructed character of knowing.
If we see a snake in the night, and it turns
out to be a rope in the morning, the rope is
not unreal, but it's not real
RD:
If Rama levitated in the desert, maybe
it was a mirage...
Let's see if we can bring the conversation
down to Turq's level.
If you are speeding down a West Texas highway,
in the middle of the desert, and you see a 'wet
spot' on the road, even though it hasn't rained
for sixty days, do
Has anyone taken Barry's assertions serious enough to even google the issue?
You'd think that with thousands of followers, there'd be all sorts of sites
still dedicated to adoring Rama and that, online, there would be ample
citations of levitation to point at. Got any?
Not worth the googling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Wilber's vertical-vs.-horizontal development scheme also
makes excellent sense to me, especially the notion that
they aren't necessarily coordinated, i.e., that one can
be further along in vertical development than one is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
Let's face it: Barry could be sitting in his underwear in his
Mom's basement in Gary, Indiana; a 400 pound pock marked puter
geek who makes it look like his posts come from Europe enough
to fool Alex;
Like you, Barry is
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@netti.fi wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote:
My
friend will shake his/her head and ask where did this come from but
that's
the way my unconscious works. Reshift,
Touché, Alex! Nice.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
Let's face it: Barry could be sitting in his underwear in his
Mom's basement in Gary, Indiana; a 400 pound pock
Curtis:
Was that the time when Maharishis made all
the faucets in the hotel run with carob
flavored milk and every child found gumdrops
appearing in their little pockets? (Their
favorite colors only and not any of those
nasty licorice ones.)
All this statement proves is your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Wilber's vertical-vs.-horizontal development scheme also
makes excellent sense to me, especially the notion that
they aren't necessarily coordinated,
On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Has anyone taken Barry's assertions serious enough to even google the issue?
You'd think that with thousands of followers, there'd be all sorts of sites
still dedicated to adoring Rama and that, online, there would be ample
citations of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Curtis:
Was that the time when Maharishis made all
the faucets in the hotel run with carob
flavored milk and every child found gumdrops
appearing in their little pockets? (Their
favorite colors only and not any of
I remember seeing one of his magazinesthe cover had an incredibly hot woman
sitting on the hood of a Porsche with the caption: Samadhi Is Loose in America
Come to think of it I probably saw this over at Barry's pad.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:
I remember seeing one of his magazinesthe cover had an
incredibly hot woman sitting on the hood of a Porsche with
the caption: Samadhi Is Loose in America
Come to think of it I probably saw this over at Barry's pad.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
Whose model of development are you using?
I have for years now had keen interest in Ken Wilber's philosophy, and also
other
All this statement proves is your
prejudice against Hindus.
Curtis:
Just the snake-oil salesmen among them.
Don't you just hate those snake-oil salesmen!
Like the Maharishi, the Pope, and the Dalai
Lama! Criminals! Gawd, who do they think they
are? Shouldn't there be a law against
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
you're making
fun of the Maharishi for trying to raise
funds for Hindu orphans.
He never gave a dime for such a cause.
But, I thought the Maharishi supported over
20,000 pundit boys at the largest private
On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
At least now I understand what you were talking about with the Hindu orphan
deal.
I remember hearing from at least one TB years ago
how they were supposedly Brahmin boys.
Sal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
At least now I understand what you were talking about with the Hindu orphan
deal.
I remember hearing from at least one TB years ago
how they were supposedly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
Has anyone taken Barry's assertions serious enough to even google the
issue? You'd think that with thousands of followers, there'd be all
sorts of sites still dedicated to adoring Rama and that, online, there
would be ample
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Personal insights, in one's own words, were always
welcomed by the TM teachers I had. MMY's words
were often cited, but never in the context of
putting down a personal insight.
Occasionally a personal insight would not
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@netti.fi wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
The most severe problems for me appeared after the siddhi techniques came
on the agenda. I was not against those techniques in principle. In my case
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a reason
why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques. No one in this forum
has even entertained the possibility that MMY himself has experienced all of
the Patanjali siddhis, including levitation. Perhaps, he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
No one in this forum has even entertained the possibility
that MMY himself has experienced all of the Patanjali
siddhis, including levitation.
No one on this forum is that insane.
Oh.
Never mind.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques. No one in
this forum has even entertained the possibility that MMY himself has
experienced
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
It will happen, perhaps. For example the tape from Seelisberg where the
videoguy in the bus outside Kulm who had the tape running and was waiting for
Maharishi to come. He did, slowly from the celing above and settled on
John jr_esq@ wrote:
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques. No one in
this forum has even entertained the possibility that MMY himself has
experienced all of the Patanjali siddhis,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
No one in this forum has even entertained the possibility
that MMY himself has experienced all of the Patanjali
siddhis, including levitation.
No one on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@...
wrote:
John jr_esq@ wrote:
Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques. No one in
this forum has even
On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Was that the time when Maharishis made all the faucets in the hotel run with
carob flavored milk and every child found gumdrops appearing in their little
pockets? (Their favorite colors only and not any of those nasty licorice
ones.)
I
No really Sal, he levitated to the ceiling.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Was that the time when Maharishis made all the faucets in the hotel run
with carob flavored milk and every child
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
No one in this forum has even entertained the possibility
that MMY himself has experienced all of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
John: Established in Yoga perform actions.
Irmeli: This is of course deep
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
snip
I remember how I long ago on weekend retreats
expressed my insights aloud that were very
similar to what I had heard MMY saying. That
was not appreciated by the TM-teacher, who
straightened me out by the correct
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
This is of course deep wisdom, and MMY's intepretation of it is great. The
problem is that these type of wisdom statements are not alone enough. Mostly
not even, when combined to regular
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
This is of course deep wisdom, and MMY's intepretation of it is great. The
problem is that these type of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
MMY's interpretation of this verse of the Bhagavad Gita is
unique. He stated the best solution to balancing the Absolute
with the phenomenal world. In some circles, the performance of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
No scandal has *ever* existed.
The only people who think there is a scandal is a handful of people who has not
been meditating for decades, posting angry posts on a obscure little blog
called FFL read by 2-3 dozen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Established in bowing to authority, perform justifications.
_ _ _
The question of whether *the actions of the authority
figure in question* ever lived up to his *teachings* is
never to be addressed. Like all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
MMY's interpretation of this verse of the Bhagavad Gita
is unique. He stated the best solution to balancing the
nab:
No scandal has *ever* existed.
The only people who think there is a
scandal is a handful of people who has
not been meditating for decades, posting
angry posts on a obscure little blog
called FFL read by 2-3 dozen souls...
Apparently you are correct - even Zoran
didn't seem to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
nab:
No scandal has *ever* existed.
The only people who think there is a
scandal is a handful of people who has
not been meditating for decades, posting
angry posts on a obscure little blog
called FFL
Irmeli:
Everything that is true and beautiful
gets placed on the side of the guru,
all that is low and dirty to the critics...
There are a few FFL readers who like to read
all the posts submitted here - they don't
seem to miss anything. I wouldn't be surprised
if they keep a backup
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
MMY's interpretation of this verse of the Bhagavad Gita is
unique. He stated the best solution to balancing the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
snip
I've been a TMO
insider since 1965, and the biggest scandal
I've heard about is a guy on CCP who got
kicked off for eating ice cream before going
to bed.
From what I can tell, the only real TMO
scandal
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