Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-28 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:50 PM, authfriend wrote:I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to  Camille   (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you  find   her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike   you...however... people often

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have toshare their prosperity with every stranger who camealong.I suspect they could have found other means, but rapewas a pretty effective threat, and,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of suchpunishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it workedin three respects: a punishment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set punishment for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the  Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant,  violent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isnt there really only one of us? And is there really

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@  wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that they were written by or dictated by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of   consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Vaj
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexualpreference are engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as withheterosexuals.Homosexual acts between two

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide youwith hard evidence at this juncture. However, asI've noted, there's excellent historical/culturalevidence that anal rape was a means of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 8:12:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 8:49:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! And what does that say about homosexuality in the eyes of God? At least Leviticus deals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:13:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you know, if this stuff were in the Koran, the fundies would be using it as evidence of how bad Islam is... It probably is in the Koran. Much of the Bible is found in the Koran with a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:29:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better yet: Billy Crystal's impersonation of Edward J. Robinson's biblical character from "The Ten Commandments": "Where's your Moses now? Where's your King of the Jews now?", done in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:19:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: suggests otherwise--i.e., that the men of Sodom weren'thomosexual or even bisexual, and that the threatened rapewas not a function of sexual desire on their part, butrather an attempt to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:21:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cite some passages and I'll look them up. Thanks. Try Leviticus 18 Forbidden Sexual practices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/26/06 12:31:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But remember that the kingdom of God is coming soon.' I tell you, on the judgment day it will be worse for the people of that town than for the people of Sodom."It appears that as far as Jesus

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with anotherman they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.I am not a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.That's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly,precisely that, as far as Judaism is concerned.Have you really never heard of the Covenant betweenGod and His Chosen People?And as to rabbis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:56:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written in legalese as a contract between man and God. Could you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 2:00:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually, isn't that precisely what the Talmud is... basically, volume after volume after volume of "legalese" of the contract between man and God?Between Jews and God, yes, indeed,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 5:22:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted torape Lot's visitors because they were horny? Inother words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be justified

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/25/06 5:28:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Law as laid down in the Torah was in what amountedto legalese of the time. I wouldn't presume to know that. However it might be funny to hear Leviticus redone in modern day legalese. To

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
What I have always understood about the Talmud was that it was a commentary on every aspect of the Torah that the rabbis writing it could come up with, the Torah being the basis of Jewish law. x-tad-biggerTraditional Judaism has always held that the books of the