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. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

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faint of heart. This is glorious work that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36

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by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists

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a lot of my friends live here. I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how they behave up there. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:5

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This is glorious work that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [

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You From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community '

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[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for disting

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From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism'

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s here now and we are all affected by how they behave up there. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Origina

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groups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative

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Well, you are laying out the "vision of possibilities" that drew so many in. I'm not sure it's worked out that way for everyone, but I will concur that stepping upon the spiritual path is indeed fortunate, but not for the faint of heart. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

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I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's teaching. Indeed...and yet how much more marvellous are the first rays of early morning set against the darkest of nights, with the full brightness of day yet to come! Through the line behind the pioneering attitude

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Truth and Consequences, The Sin of the Spin, Nice post, Upfronter. This is really well written critique as it speaks to the dangers we have in our collective story of our communal TM standard of ethics as a corporate spiritual group. It comes at a good time for what are processes

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I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's teaching. In the best case, you reconcile it in some manner, and emerge on the other side keeping intact some parts, and letting some parts go by the wayside. Or, in some cases, people become embittered, and set

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

“I don't recall that on my TTC ('72) that we were trained to be as deceptive as upfronter is suggesting.” I’m sorry if you thought I was suggesting that TM teachers were “trained to be as deceptive”. My point, in a nutshell, is that before this practice was ironed out (thank you

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M Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <upfronter@...> wrote : (snip) Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra selection.” In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : (snip) Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they

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I remember when I learned TM so many years ago that the mantra, in terms of meaning and origin, was not discussed at all, nor was I particularly interested in the details, as long as it worked. It was *the correct use* of the mantra, the delicacy of its implementation, that was emphasized.

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“Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra selection.” In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age and sex and create an illusion that it is

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yep, TM wasn't designed for a required support structure, beyond those first days of checking. A very wise move by Maharishi, and unique so far as I can tell among the many offerings out there. It is truly a "householder's" technique, and far more helpful than a bunch of crutches.:-) ---In

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Good narrative, Upfront. By definition it sounds like you are a practitioner who simply has come to have faith in the practice based on experience with it, spiritually. That is different than the tru-believers who seem to make something cultural out of their time with it, like a religion.

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I sincerely thank the disciplic line responsible for the meditation that has brought me to a world in this world that I could not even have dreamt of. How grateful am I! However, I do not agree with much of the certain knowledge spoken by the masters that comes from the East except in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

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well, good luck. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Mo

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l affected by how they behave up there.  -JaiGuruYou  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practition

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ruYou From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community I am on my w

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o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends live here.  I have family that lives here no

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Life@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal

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fe@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but this divis

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PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Thanks for the info on your background. Fascinating where we come from, and you've traced it back quite a ways. I find each of the states quite distinct as it is, a very different feel

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; <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also

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ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal structure.

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@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the U

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t between states. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Ok

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oogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no&quo