[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
> jim flanegin wrote: > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > a life of total support from Mother Divine... while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still it is good to participate, also. you may just need to learn more about it ... here is a neat website about MD and Navaratri: http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Maharishi Effect - II
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[FairfieldLife] MMY: The full potential of my leadership-global conference 09/21/05
Note: forwarded message attached. From: "Jörg Schenk" of Natural Law Forum The full potential of my leadership Global Press Conference, 21.9.05 MAHARISHI: Sometime back that I thought you appeal to the government. You are a government and you make this law and introduce this thing in education and this thing in healthcare and this thing in agriculture and this thing in defense and you will be better off. But we knew the whole trying was in the deaf ears. I wasted my time of decades talking to the people that they should please do it for their own sake and they will be better off. Do it and do it. But now is the time I have realized the full potential of my leadership. I realized the full potential of my leadership. I don`t have to ask anyone to do this and to do this. I am creating an atmosphere. I am creating that quality of world consciousness now, that nobody will be able to be out of this global network of effectiveness. This generation and all coming generations will be in the warmth of that sunshine that no one will have to face any patches of darkness in his life. We are establishing that almighty system of administration that everyone even if he is destined to suffer, he will simply plunge out of suffering not knowing... __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Begin Message --- From: "Jörg Schenk" of Natural Law Forum The full potential of my leadership Global Press Conference, 21.9.05 MAHARISHI: Sometime back that I thought you appeal to the government. You are a government and you make this law and introduce this thing in education and this thing in healthcare and this thing in agriculture and this thing in defense and you will be better off. But we knew the whole trying was in the deaf ears. I wasted my time of decades talking to the people that they should please do it for their own sake and they will be better off. Do it and do it. But now is the time I have realized the full potential of my leadership. I realized the full potential of my leadership. I don`t have to ask anyone to do this and to do this. I am creating an atmosphere. I am creating that quality of world consciousness now, that nobody will be able to be out of this global network of effectiveness. This generation and all coming generations will be in the warmth of that sunshine that no one will have to face any patches of darkness in his life. We are establishing that almighty system of administration that everyone even if he is destined to suffer, he will simply plunge out of suffering not knowing... Maryanne Lee-Hartman __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- End Message ---
Re: [FairfieldLife] Peter Sutphen has passed away.
I wonder if they're selling the drums? On 10/2/05 1:49 AM, "off_world_beings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A moment of silence please as it has come to our attention that Peter > Sutphen has passed away. > We deeply regret his passing and lament his once bright but now faded > light... > > Anyone posing as Peter Sutphen on this group, should be ignored as we > know it is a scam and shameless, dishonoring his memory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin
Hari Om, FairfieldLife folks, Please read this Piece I found in another Forum. Too difficult to Judge sexy Sadie. Jason -OriginalMessage--- From: "arunagirinatharchith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:23:22 - Subject: SEXUALITY of Saints This is a piece from David Godman's interview by Maalok: " I should also make it clear that Sri Ramana himself readily admitted that enlightenment didn't turn people into paragons of virtue. Like most great Masters before him, he said that it was impossible to judge whether someone was enlightened by what he or she did or said. Saintliness does not necessarily go hand in hand with enlightenment, although most people like to think that it should. Sri Ramana was a rare conjunction of saintliness and enlightenment, but many other Masters and enlightened beings were not. They were not less enlightened because they didn't conform to the social and ethical mores of their times, they simply had different destinies to fulfil. In Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramana narrates the story of Kaduveli Siddhar, an austere ascetic who attracted public ridicule by having an affair with a temple dancer. A local king offered a reward to anyone who could prove whether this man really was a saint or not. At the time the challenge was issued, Kaduveli Siddhar was subsisting on dry leaves that fell from trees. When the dancer eventually gave birth to Kaduveli Siddhar's baby, she thought that she had proved her point and went to the king to collect her reward. The king, who wanted some public confirmation of their intimate relationship, arranged a dance performance. When it was under way, the dancer stretched out her foot towards Kaduveli Siddhar because one of her anklets had become loose. When he retied it for her, the audience jeered at him. Kaduveli Siddhar was unmoved. He sang a Tamil verse, part of which said, 'If it is true that I sleep day and night quite aware of the Self, may this stone burst into two and become the wide expanse'. Immediately, a nearby stone idol split apart with a resounding crack, much to the astonishment of the audience. Sri Ramana's conclusion to this story was, 'He proved himself to be an unswerving jnani. One should not be deceived by the external appearance of a jnani.' I find it fascinating that Sri Ramana, a man of impeccable saintliness, could say that behaviour such as this could not be taken to indicate that Kaduveli Siddhar was unenlightened." The url for the page where you can find the above is:http://www.davidgodman.org/interviews/al3.shtml I guess the above says everything about Ramana's position on this issue of enlightened humans being involved in sexual (or any other) act. I guess the Jnani as such has no desires (because his or her mind is dead), but his body is completely used by the power we might call 'god'. So, in case of a Jnani, action takes place without any desires. In case of humans whose minds are not dead, desires arise. If we are aware enough and watch the desires, and any thought for that matter, we might stop taking those actions which are detrimental to our own or some other person's larger interests. Of course, sex is not a 'bad' thing, but it becomes detrimental when we cling to it and 'want' more of it and often. Even clinging to tasty food or any other 'thing' is detrimental (probably as detrimental as clinging to sex). I guess in the most worthy, 'enlightened' state, bliss is always there and there is no dependency even in the least on any external object. I guess only when one is in the enlightened state, the most appropriate, 'right' action arises all the time. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Every semester in my classes (general psychology, > > > human development, child development) I teach to > > > community college students I go over this. I explain > > > that science is a methodolgy of inquiry that requires > > > all concepts of a hypothesis to be quantifiable. > > And the hypothesis must be capabable of and have an experimental means > to be refuted / rejected. So was Special Relativity scientific until the experiments were carried out physically? And are Anthropology and Archeology sciences? Philosophers of Science define things slightly different than scientists do since PoS's have to account for ALL "science" rather than just the discipline or disciplines that the scientist wants to accept as "science." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The "goal" is inherent in the system.>>. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'System' means 'intelligence'. > > > > > > > > > > Aieee, no. It can be used that way, but it can > > > > > also be used without any implication of intelligence. > > > > > > > > All systems have intelligence related to them in some way. > > However, > > > > is the intelligence imposing order during its analysis of > > > > the "system," or did an intelligence impose order in the > *design* > > of > > > > the system? > > > > > > Gee, I wouldn't say order being imposed on a system > > > during analysis by an intelligence means the system > > > *itself* has intelligence. What about systems that > > > have never been analyzed by an intelligence? What > > > intelligence do they have related to them (if you > > > exclude a designing intelligence)? > > > > > > "System" just means stuff that interacts in a more > > > or less regular way. > > > > But of all the itneractions and materials and stuff that exist, YOU > > pick and chose what defines the system. > > Sure, but that still doesn't mean the system itself > has intelligence. > Didn't say that. Said that there is intelligence associated with any and all systems. Of all the possible bits and pieces of matter and energy in the universe in all thepossible subsets of them, we chose to talk about things like "all living things on Earth." Why? > > Consider the water molecules of all the predators on earth and > > within 3 feet in all directions from all of them,including those > > within its prey and within neutral animals an plants. Would you > > call those a "system?" > > I guess you could, but I'm not sure of the relevance to > what I was saying. Could you elaborate? That's thepoint. It's an arbitrary collection. All collections of particles are arbitrary in one sense. In another, we chose which ones to include or exclude based on intellect. > > Or consider the system I suggested to Offworld, a > complicated solar system in a distant galaxy that > has never been observed by a sentient being. How > can there even be the intelligence "related to" the > system via analysis? What is a "solar system?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > [...] > > > > > Gee, I wouldn't say order being imposed on a system > > > > > during analysis by an intelligence means the system > > > > > *itself* has intelligence. What about systems that > > > > > have never been analyzed by an intelligence? >. > > > > > > > > Can you name one? > > > > > > Hypothetical, obviously. Let's say a very > > > complicated solar system in a distant galaxy > > > that no sentient being has ever observed. > > > > You just defined the system ahead of time: "solar system." > > I don't think that's relevant to my point, > which was whether the system has inherent > intelligence. The system was "devised" by intelligence. You have a definition of "solar system" that you use. Why do you include or exclude membership in a system? > > > What makes something part of OUR "solar sytstem," rather than part > > of another? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The truth is every bit as much "out there" as it is "in here." > > Is it? How do you know? (channelling Sparaig) > > :-) I watch public access, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. "Is the cat > > in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is therefore in > > a neither dead nor alive state" > > This thought experiment is nonsense because it assumes only hhigher > > order animals (people) are observers, but all animals (and beyond ) > > are observers, including the flees in the cats skin, and even the > > parasites in its blood, it's very own cells as single celled > > organisms, and its very own DNA. > > Someone is always watching.everywhere. > > Even a planet is observing (experiencing) as is the sun. > > The fallacy of Shrodinger's cat is as yet not known to the > > scientific understanding on Earth > > Well, boy, you're right in line for a Nobel Prize, > then, as soon as you make it known. It's one proposed solution tothe paradox. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Every semester in my classes (general > psychology, > > > > human development, child development) I teach > to > > > > community college students I go over this. I > explain > > > > that science is a methodolgy of inquiry that > requires > > > > all concepts of a hypothesis to be > quantifiable. > > > > And the hypothesis must be capabable of and have > an experimental means > > to be refuted / rejected. > > So was Special Relativity scientific until the > experiments were carried > out physically? > > And are Anthropology and Archeology sciences? > Philosophers of Science > define things slightly different than scientists do > since PoS's have to > account for ALL "science" rather than just the > discipline or > disciplines that the scientist wants to accept as > "science." Scientists speculate, then they attempt to develop a hypothesis to affirm the speculation. ID proponents simply want to leave the discussion on the level of belief. That's the problem. It's not science, it's speculation only. I can't figure out why you guys appear to struggle with such a simple concept. Either you just don't get what a science is, or you like to argue! My main point is that if a scientific theory, not a scientist speculating in his/her quite moments, but a formal theory, contains a concept/construct that is completely unquantifiable, it's not science. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Two peace palaces for Fairfield?
These peace palaces will be noted for their fullness of emptiness! --- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the only reason I can think of they would need two > peace palaces > would be if one was intended for women, other for > men... > > > > On 30 September 2005 Maharishi University of > Management Review > reported: Campus residents at Maharishi University > of Management in > Fairfield, Iowa will soon see the start of > construction of two > Maharishi Peace Palaces. 'The Maharishi Peace > Palaces will be a > proper home for the pure knowledge so generously > given to us for the > past 50 years by Maharishi,' said Alexandria > DeVasier, director of > one of the Maharishi Peace Palaces for Fairfield. It > is a joy for > Global Good News service to feature this news, which > indicates the > success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi > has designed to > bring fulfilment to the field of world-peace. > > Each Maharishi Peace Palace will be 12,000 square > feet, built > according to principles of Maharishi Vedic > Architecture and situated > on three acres of land, with celebration grounds in > front of the > building. They will have a white marble exterior. > The construction > will be done in phases over the next six months. > > Ms DeVasier said the Peace Palaces 'will offer over > 50 programmes, > courses, services, and products in the new > buildings'. These will > include MAPI products, books, a day spa, residence > course rooms, and > more. 'These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound > gift from > Maharishi that will preserve the legacy of the > knowledge of > enlightenment and perfect health for all > generations to come,' Ms > DeVasier said. 'Establishing Maharishi Peace Palaces > in Fairfield > and Maharishi Vedic City will bring a wave of > coherence to change > the negative trends throughout the United States.' > > Copyright 2005, Maharishi University of Management > > > > http://www.globalgoodnews.com/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
He had Drums? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if they're selling the drums? > > > On 10/2/05 1:49 AM, "off_world_beings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A moment of silence please as it has come to our attention that Peter > > Sutphen has passed away. > > We deeply regret his passing and lament his once bright but now faded > > light... > > > > Anyone posing as Peter Sutphen on this group, should be ignored as we > > know it is a scam and shameless, dishonoring his memory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand drum collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He might get one with jingles inside! Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He had Drums? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder if they're selling the drums? > > > > > > On 10/2/05 1:49 AM, "off_world_beings" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > A moment of silence please as it has come to our > attention that > Peter > > > Sutphen has passed away. > > > We deeply regret his passing and lament his once > bright but now > faded > > > light... > > > > > > Anyone posing as Peter Sutphen on this group, > should be ignored as > we > > > know it is a scam and shameless, dishonoring his > memory. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: [Offworld wrote:] > > > [...] > > > > > > Gee, I wouldn't say order being imposed on a system > > > > > > during analysis by an intelligence means the system > > > > > > *itself* has intelligence. What about systems that > > > > > > have never been analyzed by an intelligence? >. > > > > > > > > > > Can you name one? > > > > > > > > Hypothetical, obviously. Let's say a very > > > > complicated solar system in a distant galaxy > > > > that no sentient being has ever observed. > > > > > > You just defined the system ahead of time: "solar system." > > > > I don't think that's relevant to my point, > > which was whether the system has inherent > > intelligence. > > The system was "devised" by intelligence. You have a definition > of "solar system" that you use. Why do you include or exclude > membership in a system? Yes, I see what you're saying, and I agree, but I *still* don't think it's relevant to the question of whether a system has *inherent* intelligence. Years ago I had a knock-down, drag-out argument on a quasi-scientific forum about whether it could be said that an encyclopedia, say, contained "information." I maintained that it did not *inherently* contain information; the distribution of particles of ink on paper became information only when a sentient being was looking at it. Once the encyclopedia was closed, what was inside was no longer information. I forget now what the context was, but it made a difference to whatever we had been discussing. At any rate, I think this is related to what you're saying, i.e., there is no such thing as a system without an intelligence to identify it as such by isolating it from everything else. Hmm, I suspect all this points in the direction of Self-reference, but I'm not sure how to articulate it. On the other hand, maybe it's only a matter of definition of terms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, > > in a putdown sorta way. I am also aware of the > > hundreds of posts she has written over the years on > > the value of consistency and her need to hear the > > *same* answer every time. That's why she likes > > Maharishi. She can't deal with teachers (to say > > nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in > > contradictions and have different answers to life's > > questions, depending on the state of attention or > > POV that is in operation at the time. I was poking > > fun at that. It's probably one of those "you have > > to have been there" kinda things... > > Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't* > been there. If you had, you would have seen hundreds > of posts from me over the years that positively > *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's > teaching. I've said many times I wished MMY would > make more of the contradictions than he does. > > Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very > topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those > posts. > > There is, of course, also a value to consistency, > in its place. The irony here is that Barry is > having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction > of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and > valuing paradox, on the other. When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called "juggling." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nosers of Reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > And what are those Nosers of Reality all about? > > > > I think Socrates nailed it when he said "nose thyself". > > > > But as I always say, what my girl friend doesn't nose won't hurt > > her. > > > > Reveal thy wisdom unto me. I wants to nose. > > A nosological primer: > > ...You might have said at least a hundred things > By varying the tone. . .like this, suppose,. . . > Aggressive: 'Sir, if I had such a nose > I'd amputate it!' Friendly: 'When you sup > It must annoy you, dipping in your cup; > You need a drinking-bowl of special shape!' > Descriptive: ''Tis a rock!. . .a peak!. . .a cape! > --A cape, forsooth! 'Tis a peninsular!' > Curious: 'How serves that oblong capsular? [...] Possibly the finest example of how to destroy your opponent by showing how lame his insults are. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm... how big a difference would it make if > > > > one translated "samaadhau" to 'in samaadhi' instead > > > > of 'to samaadhi'? I seem to recall that Vyaasa or > > > > Bhoja comments that siddhis tend to make samaadhi weaker, but > they > > > > don't obstruct it alltogether (provided I've understood > > > > the Sanskrit approximately correctly). > > > > > > Don't know nuttin' about the Sanskrit, but recall > > > that according to MMY, the function of practicing > > > the TM-Sidhis is to "challenge" samadhi, as with > > > the metaphor of the sun fading the yellow dye in the > > > context of plain-vanilla TM. Activity following > > > meditation "challenges" the samadhi that remains > > > after meditation, which ultimately results in > > > strengthening it and making it permanent. > > > > > > The intense color of the dye when the cloth comes > > > out of the dye vat is "weakened" by the sun, but > > > what remains is what has become permanent. The > > > permanent part is added to incrementally with each > > > dip into the vat until it's all permanent. But > > > that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't "weakened" > > > by the sun each time. > > > > > > Don't know if this has anything to do with it, but > > > the possible parallel struck me as interesting. > > > > The sidhis challenge/weaken samadhi on the most fundamental level > > possible. > > You know, I never connected the yellow dye analogy > with the TM-Sidhis' "challenge" to samadhi before; > I sure don't recall the parallel being part of what > we were taught about the techniques. It was eki's > mention of "weakening" that made me think of it. > Now it seems obvious. Did I just miss that part? I recall it being presented as a more subtle set of activities that stabilize pure consciousness at a more fundamental level. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Un-intelligent Un-design ( the U, U theory )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Every semester in my classes (general > > psychology, > > > > > human development, child development) I teach > > to > > > > > community college students I go over this. I > > explain > > > > > that science is a methodolgy of inquiry that > > requires > > > > > all concepts of a hypothesis to be > > quantifiable. > > > > > > And the hypothesis must be capabable of and have > > an experimental means > > > to be refuted / rejected. > > > > So was Special Relativity scientific until the > > experiments were carried > > out physically? > > > > And are Anthropology and Archeology sciences? > > Philosophers of Science > > define things slightly different than scientists do > > since PoS's have to > > account for ALL "science" rather than just the > > discipline or > > disciplines that the scientist wants to accept as > > "science." > > Scientists speculate, then they attempt to develop a > hypothesis to affirm the speculation. ID proponents > simply want to leave the discussion on the level of > belief. That's the problem. It's not science, it's > speculation only. I can't figure out why you guys > appear to struggle with such a simple concept. Either > you just don't get what a science is, or you like to > argue! My main point is that if a scientific theory, > not a scientist speculating in his/her quite moments, > but a formal theory, contains a concept/construct that > is completely unquantifiable, it's not science. > That concept might not be, but such concepts are often embedded in well-established scientific theories. In fact, I don't think its possible to have a scientific theory that is comprised entirely of quatifiables. It's like requiring mathematics being able to prove ALL parts. Gotta have them axioms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > [Offworld wrote:] > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Gee, I wouldn't say order being imposed on a system > > > > > > > during analysis by an intelligence means the system > > > > > > > *itself* has intelligence. What about systems that > > > > > > > have never been analyzed by an intelligence? >. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you name one? > > > > > > > > > > Hypothetical, obviously. Let's say a very > > > > > complicated solar system in a distant galaxy > > > > > that no sentient being has ever observed. > > > > > > > > You just defined the system ahead of time: "solar system." > > > > > > I don't think that's relevant to my point, > > > which was whether the system has inherent > > > intelligence. > > > > The system was "devised" by intelligence. You have a definition > > of "solar system" that you use. Why do you include or exclude > > membership in a system? > > Yes, I see what you're saying, and I agree, but I > *still* don't think it's relevant to the question > of whether a system has *inherent* intelligence. Defining a "system" means that it has intelligence in the sense that the system is "pre" ordered. > > Years ago I had a knock-down, drag-out argument on > a quasi-scientific forum about whether it could be > said that an encyclopedia, say, contained "information." > I maintained that it did not *inherently* contain > information; the distribution of particles of ink > on paper became information only when a sentient > being was looking at it. Once the encyclopedia > was closed, what was inside was no longer information. > > I forget now what the context was, but it made a > difference to whatever we had been discussing. At > any rate, I think this is related to what you're > saying, i.e., there is no such thing as a system > without an intelligence to identify it as such by > isolating it from everything else. > > Hmm, I suspect all this points in the direction of > Self-reference, but I'm not sure how to articulate it. > On the other hand, maybe it's only a matter of > definition of terms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, > > > in a putdown sorta way. I am also aware of the > > > hundreds of posts she has written over the years on > > > the value of consistency and her need to hear the > > > *same* answer every time. That's why she likes > > > Maharishi. She can't deal with teachers (to say > > > nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in > > > contradictions and have different answers to life's > > > questions, depending on the state of attention or > > > POV that is in operation at the time. I was poking > > > fun at that. It's probably one of those "you have > > > to have been there" kinda things... > > > > Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't* > > been there. If you had, you would have seen hundreds > > of posts from me over the years that positively > > *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's > > teaching. I've said many times I wished MMY would > > make more of the contradictions than he does. > > > > Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very > > topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those > > posts. > > > > There is, of course, also a value to consistency, > > in its place. The irony here is that Barry is > > having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction > > of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and > > valuing paradox, on the other. > > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called "juggling." Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each "in its place," as I said above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
> > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called "juggling." > > Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each > "in its place," as I said above. Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true. How many hands are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling. It's an odd/even thang. 2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge. 3 balls, two hands. 4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really only juggling two balls; there is no switchover. 5 balls, two hands with switchover again. 6 balls, two hands, but each is now juggling three balls with no switchover. When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as many minds as you have. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, > > > > in a putdown sorta way. I am also aware of the > > > > hundreds of posts she has written over the years on > > > > the value of consistency and her need to hear the > > > > *same* answer every time. That's why she likes > > > > Maharishi. She can't deal with teachers (to say > > > > nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in > > > > contradictions and have different answers to life's > > > > questions, depending on the state of attention or > > > > POV that is in operation at the time. I was poking > > > > fun at that. It's probably one of those "you have > > > > to have been there" kinda things... > > > > > > Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't* > > > been there. If you had, you would have seen hundreds > > > of posts from me over the years that positively > > > *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's > > > teaching. I've said many times I wished MMY would > > > make more of the contradictions than he does. > > > > > > Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very > > > topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those > > > posts. > > > > > > There is, of course, also a value to consistency, > > > in its place. The irony here is that Barry is > > > having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction > > > of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and > > > valuing paradox, on the other. > > > > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's > > called "juggling." > > Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each > "in its place," as I said above. To elaborate: What I don't accept is the attempt to characterize inconsistency as a function of advanced spiritual development when it's really an artifact of sloppy, shallow thinking, or having forgotten what one said the previous day, or taking mutually exclusive positions merely for the sake of winning two unrelated arguments or putting down two different TMers (or the same TMer on different days), or because one has failed to recognize the implications of a particular position, or making a category error, and so on. That's just gross intellectual dishonesty, an excuse for avoiding accountability for the coherence of one's thinking. In fact, to truly appreciate paradox requires the most rigorous kind of thinking. Incoherence just generates more incoherence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's > > > called "juggling." > > > > Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each > > "in its place," as I said above. > > Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true. How many hands > are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling. Right. But there's no juggling involved here, you see. Consistency is appropriate in its place, paradox/ contradiction is appropriate in *its* place. Trying to hold two balls in one hand and then dropping them both doesn't even constitute juggling. > It's an odd/even thang. 2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge. > 3 balls, two hands. 4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really > only juggling two balls; there is no switchover. 5 balls, two > hands with switchover again. 6 balls, two hands, but each is > now juggling three balls with no switchover. > > When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as > many minds as you have. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and all, and he had a great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand drum > collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He might get > one with jingles inside! Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum > > --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > He had Drums? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wonder if they're selling the drums? > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/05 1:49 AM, "off_world_beings" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > A moment of silence please as it has come to our > > attention that > > Peter > > > > Sutphen has passed away. > > > > We deeply regret his passing and lament his once > > bright but now > > faded > > > > light... > > > > > > > > Anyone posing as Peter Sutphen on this group, > > should be ignored as > > we > > > > know it is a scam and shameless, dishonoring his > > memory. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > --- -~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jim flanegin wrote: > > > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > > a life of total support from Mother Divine... > > while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still > it is good to participate, also. you may just need > to learn more about it ... here is a neat website > about MD and Navaratri: > > http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri > > -- Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the Goddesses. How is this different though from directly asking for blessings for others and myself at the appropriate time? Would those not also be considered yagyas? It seems to work in the same way. I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that whether we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through intermediaries, the results are similar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear friends from around the world, > > > > Mother Divine 9 days (Oct-4-12) > > for wealth, prosperity, health, longevity, knowledge and intelligence. > > By awakening human awareness , 9 days will help all aspects of life... > > the five senses, mind, intellect and ego...Those 9 days Yagnas will > > support prosperity & fulfillment, help increase wealth, support > > spiritual progress, gain knowledge, clear intellect, improvement of > > memory, peace of mind, good for education, improve influence in > > society, increase harmony in married life, help remove big problems, > > help find suitable job, support success in business, fulfillment of > > desires, removal of fears, help remove illness, improvement of health, > > help prevent danger, help peaceful sleep, overall progress, improve > > relationship, remove obstacles, help finding suitable spouse, free > > from obstacles, support in court case, support in better life... > > Wow. It sounds just like TM, without the sitting > with your eyes closed and all. Yep. I'd rather see the 'hidden' list of things that the 9 days of MD *won't* do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > jim flanegin wrote: > > > > > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > > > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > > > > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > > > a life of total support from Mother Divine... > > > > while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still > > it is good to participate, also. you may just need > > to learn more about it ... here is a neat website > > about MD and Navaratri: > > > > http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri > > > > -- > > Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the Goddesses. How is > this different though from directly asking for blessings for others > and myself at the appropriate time? Would those not also be > considered yagyas? It seems to work in the same way. > > I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that whether > we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through > intermediaries, the results are similar. Just out of curiosity, have you done both and compared the effects? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > jim flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > > > > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > > > > > > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > > > > a life of total support from Mother Divine... > > > > > > while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still > > > it is good to participate, also. you may just need > > > to learn more about it ... here is a neat website > > > about MD and Navaratri: > > > > > > http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the Goddesses. How is > > this different though from directly asking for blessings for others > > and myself at the appropriate time? Would those not also be > > considered yagyas? It seems to work in the same way. > > > > I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that whether > > we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through > > intermediaries, the results are similar. > > Just out of curiosity, have you done both and > compared the effects? I consistently exceed every expectation I have, have for my whole life, so what would be the point of a yagya? For what- I don't have any need strong enough for such a performance. Direct devotion is better, and more powerful, in my opinion. Perhaps if my life gets really, really, really, really intolerable in the future I will have need of a yagya, but that is purely a hypothetical instance. There appears to be a game we all play with ourselves, comparing where we are or what we have, and where we want to be. I have always been able to bridge such a gap through dilligence, focus, devotion, and surrender. Lately I have noticed that the equation has changed somewhat. The gap described above is very brief on the one hand, and on the other, the results realized always exceed my expectations. So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to do 'out there', such as a yagya, in order to achieve further happiness, satisfaction, good health, economic security, social integration, familial love, or any other aspect of my life which I deem important. For others it may be different. I have always enjoyed self-reliance. I feel that for this life, and the next, it is better to be self- reliant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jim flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > > > > > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > > > > > > > > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > > > > > a life of total support from Mother Divine... > > > > > > > > while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still > > > > it is good to participate, also. you may just need > > > > to learn more about it ... here is a neat website > > > > about MD and Navaratri: > > > > > > > > http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the Goddesses. How > is > > > this different though from directly asking for blessings for > others > > > and myself at the appropriate time? Would those not also be > > > considered yagyas? It seems to work in the same way. > > > > > > I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that > whether > > > we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through > > > intermediaries, the results are similar. > > > > Just out of curiosity, have you done both and > > compared the effects? > > I consistently exceed every expectation I have, have for my whole > life, so what would be the point of a yagya? For what- I don't have > any need strong enough for such a performance. Direct devotion is > better, and more powerful, in my opinion. > > Perhaps if my life gets really, really, really, really intolerable > in the future I will have need of a yagya, but that is purely a > hypothetical instance. There appears to be a game we all play with > ourselves, comparing where we are or what we have, and where we want > to be. I have always been able to bridge such a gap through > dilligence, focus, devotion, and surrender. > > Lately I have noticed that the equation has changed somewhat. The > gap described above is very brief on the one hand, and on the other, > the results realized always exceed my expectations. > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > do 'out there', such as a yagya, in order to achieve further > happiness, satisfaction, good health, economic security, social > integration, familial love, or any other aspect of my life which I > deem important. > > For others it may be different. I have always enjoyed self-reliance. > I feel that for this life, and the next, it is better to be self- > reliant. Thats all fine. But you didn't answer the question. Not that you are obligated to. You stated "I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that whether we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through intermediaries, the results are similar." How can you assess if the results are similar if you have not done the same yagyas that Tom is doing. If on the other hand, you simple meant, "the descriptions of yagyas sound similar to what I experience" then fine. But thats a difference from saying the results ARE similar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MONTHLY MEMBERS are all included in this Yagna I am not clear on this statement Tom. Does this group have group yagyas? Or do you have "subscribers" who contibute to yours? I had understood from past posts that you felt group yagyas diluted the effect. Has this view / experience changed? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > do 'out there', such as a yagya, in order to achieve further > happiness, satisfaction, good health, economic security, social > integration, familial love, or any other aspect of my life which I > deem important. Are you positive you're aware of all the aspects of your life that are important? (Either to you personally, or in the cosmic scheme of things?) > For others it may be different. I have always enjoyed self-reliance. > I feel that for this life, and the next, it is better to be self- > reliant. Is self-reliance entirely consistent with devotion? I'm reminded of the joke about the guy who calls on God to rescue him from drowning and then waves off the helicopter that suddenly appears and offers to haul him up. Obviously you don't perceive yourself to be in a desperate situation from which you need to be saved, but I wonder whether the same principle might apply. I could conceive of a scenario in which Tom was equivalent to the helicopter, sent by Mother Divine to suggest the possibility of your deriving some benefit from yagyas that She is aware of but you aren't. (I'm really not promoting yagyas, just probing your reasoning in rejecting them. No need to respond if you don't want to.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, in order to achieve further > > happiness, satisfaction, good health, economic security, social > > integration, familial love, or any other aspect of my life which I > > deem important. > > Are you positive you're aware of all the aspects > of your life that are important? (Either to you > personally, or in the cosmic scheme of things?) > > > For others it may be different. I have always enjoyed self- reliance. > > I feel that for this life, and the next, it is better to be self- > > reliant. > > Is self-reliance entirely consistent with devotion? > > I'm reminded of the joke about the guy who calls on > God to rescue him from drowning and then waves off > the helicopter that suddenly appears and offers to > haul him up. > > Obviously you don't perceive yourself to be in a > desperate situation from which you need to be saved, > but I wonder whether the same principle might apply. > I could conceive of a scenario in which Tom was > equivalent to the helicopter, sent by Mother Divine > to suggest the possibility of your deriving some > benefit from yagyas that She is aware of but you > aren't. > > (I'm really not promoting yagyas, just probing > your reasoning in rejecting them. No need to > respond if you don't want to.) Yes, I really like the joke about the guy with the helicopter...Maybe I should have said Self reliance, but just didn't want to revisit the whole small s vs. big S thing. I agree that Tom's post prompted my reply, though I wouldn't characterise my not feeling a need to do a yagya as a rejection of them. To use a possibly convoluted analogy, if I am already wearing a hat and someone offers me a cap, I can decline on the basis of my needs already being met, without feeling that I am rejecting the offer of the cap. it just isn't necessary. Not to suggest either that I haven't faced a great many trials in my life. We all have. And that is why yagyas are appropriate for some. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Brahman" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > jim flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...given Mother Divine as the Universal Supreme Being, > > > > > > all of these things are available to us at any time... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I don't participate in such ceremonies yet live > > > > > > a life of total support from Mother Divine... > > > > > > > > > > while this is, no doubt, your true experience, still > > > > > it is good to participate, also. you may just need > > > > > to learn more about it ... here is a neat website > > > > > about MD and Navaratri: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.divyajivan.org/navaratri > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading about the Goddesses. How > > is > > > > this different though from directly asking for blessings for > > others > > > > and myself at the appropriate time? Would those not also be > > > > considered yagyas? It seems to work in the same way. > > > > > > > > I am not negating these forms of worship, just adding that > > whether > > > > we want to contact Mother Divine directly or do it through > > > > intermediaries, the results are similar. > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, have you done both and > > > compared the effects? > > > > I consistently exceed every expectation I have, have for my whole > > life, so what would be the point of a yagya? For what- I don't have > > any need strong enough for such a performance. Direct devotion is > > better, and more powerful, in my opinion. > > > > Perhaps if my life gets really, really, really, really intolerable > > in the future I will have need of a yagya, but that is purely a > > hypothetical instance. There appears to be a game we all play with > > ourselves, comparing where we are or what we have, and where we want > > to be. I have always been able to bridge such a gap through > > dilligence, focus, devotion, and surrender. > > > > Lately I have noticed that the equation has changed somewhat. The > > gap described above is very brief on the one hand, and on the other, > > the results realized always exceed my expectations. > > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, in order to achieve further > > happiness, satisfaction, good health, economic security, social > > integration, familial love, or any other aspect of my life which I > > deem important. > > > > For others it may be different. I have always enjoyed self- reliance. > > I feel that for this life, and the next, it is better to be self- > > reliant. > > Thats all fine. But you didn't answer the question. Not that you are > obligated to. You stated "I am not negating these forms of worship, > just adding that whether we want to contact Mother Divine directly or > do it through intermediaries, the results are similar." How can you > assess if the results are similar if you have not done the same yagyas > that Tom is doing. If on the other hand, you simple meant, "the > descriptions of yagyas sound similar to what I experience" then fine. > But thats a difference from saying the results ARE similar. Yes, right, absolutely. I have no idea at all what the results of the yagyas that Tom is having done feel like, for me, or anyone else. Thanks for the clarification. And I hope for everyone's sake that the yagyas work as described. That would be great! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
I wonder if that yagya can cure someone of being a racist scumbag. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The truth is every bit as much "out there" as it is "in here." > > > > Is it? How do you know? (channelling Sparaig) > > > > :-) > > I watch public access, of course. "I" watch public access - sounds as if the truth is in "I" to me :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and all, and he had a > great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him. Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died years ago :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > do 'out there', such as a yagya, A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. It culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for a number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying experience! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to > > do 'out there', such as a yagya, > > A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga > Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first > such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. > For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as > absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was > interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the > physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny > impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. It > culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for a > number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. > *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying > experience! :-) PS I too had absolutely no desires outstanding "out there" -- except a slight curiosity as to the Pua :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> PS I too had absolutely no desires outstanding "out there" -- except > a slight curiosity as to the Pua :-) PPS Well, I still don't know about the Pua -- but I meant the Puja. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called "juggling." > > > > Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each > > "in its place," as I said above. > > Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true. How many hands > are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling. > It's an odd/even thang. 2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge. > 3 balls, two hands. 4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really > only juggling two balls; there is no switchover. YOu can have a switchover with 4 or maybe even 6 balls. You have to throw them at different heights, but its doable (at least with 4). 5 balls, two > hands with switchover again. 6 balls, two hands, but each is > now juggling three balls with no switchover. > > When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as > many minds as you have. :-) There's quite a few juggling books out there. ONeis called something like 161 3-ball tricks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's > > > > called "juggling." > > > > > > Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each > > > "in its place," as I said above. > > > > Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true. How many hands > > are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling. > > Right. But there's no juggling involved here, you > see. Consistency is appropriate in its place, paradox/ > contradiction is appropriate in *its* place. > > Trying to hold two balls in one hand and then > dropping them both doesn't even constitute juggling. That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop. All of us master the drop before we master any other trick. > > > > > > It's an odd/even thang. 2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge. > > 3 balls, two hands. 4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really > > only juggling two balls; there is no switchover. 5 balls, two > > hands with switchover again. 6 balls, two hands, but each is > > now juggling three balls with no switchover. > > > > When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as > > many minds as you have. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop. > > All of us master the drop before we master any other trick. HA! To see perfection in imperfection and imperfection in perfection -- this is Wisdom indeed, O Lawsonji :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand drum > collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He might get > one with jingles inside! Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum I got a ghatam this summer: http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand drum > > collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He might get > > one with jingles inside! Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum > > I got a ghatam this summer: > http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html Oooh, I want one of those! Nice drum, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
FROM A PAPER BY
AZIZ KRISTOF
INTRODUCTION
Although not always thought so as such, Advaita actually falls
under the auspices of the three main branches of VEDANTA:
1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic approach
2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic approach
3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure non-dualistic school.
The main exponent of Vedanta was the great sage Adi Sankara
who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path. In western
circles it is not unusual to blend the last two together as well as
interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having the same meaning,
becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves ("satsang" is often
included as well). Generally speaking it works OK, but when fine
tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is usually required.
(source).
Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in his Nonduality FAQ
website, presents the following as well:
Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means "end of the Veda." The
Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature, are books on
mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are superhuman, their authority
divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda marked the coming of
the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual nature of reality, but
which offer different levels of nondual understanding, and have even
given rise dualism, which says that God and the human body are
eternally separate.
Providing the Introduction:
the Wanderling
The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
We would like to express our concern regarding the recent
phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion has impoverished
seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days many individuals,
who have very little or no knowledge at all about the Process of
Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead other souls on the
Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these days. Nobody actually
really knows what is the meaning of this term as it virtually means
everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient to say 'I am
Awakened' in order to give satsang.
Because of the unverifiable nature of Enlightenment, this term has
been much manipulated. Satsang has been Americanized. In an average
satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing signs of euphoric and
unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look like he or she is in
a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually meditate. Why to
meditate if we are already all Awakened?
But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor repetition of a
several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You are That,' You are
already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has this anything to do
with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or Sri Ramana
Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before he could be really
complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate for months and
years before they could receive from him the glimpse of the Self.
It is true that New Millennium is a time of global awakening. But
this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the level of most
people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that there would be a
time when many false teachers will teach in the name of Light. It
seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers are not necessarily
'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in truth. They have
believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready to teach!'
It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang culture began after
the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that
Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that they just took him
too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you are already
Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device than a reflection of
reality. And even if some of his disciples had a glimpse of Awakening,
Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither it was permanent
nor the final state.
An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to give satsang in
the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and attract more
westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought that Poonjaji
actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason, Cohen became
very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he began to act
as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is
Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an
unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for
clarity. By the endless investigation into states of all possible
masters, and not being able to come to any true conclusion, he has
been just confusing his students. The only thing which at the end
remains clear from his seemingly 'sincere' efforts to find clarity is
that nobody has the least idea 'What Enlightenment Is!'
It is not our intention to suggest that nobody reaches
Enlightenment. We just wish to make it clear (similar a
[FairfieldLife] THE FIVE DEGREES OF TOZAN
THE FIVE DEGREES OF TOZAN The Five Degrees of Tozan, also known as the Five Ranks of Tozan, are different levels of Realization formulated by Zen master Tozan Ryokai, known as Tung-shan Liang-chieh in Chinese (806-869). * The Apparent within the Real: Coming within the Absolute [sho-chu-hen] * The Real within the Apparent: Arriving within the Relative [hen-chu-sho] * The Coming from within the Real: The Relative within the Absolute [sho-chu-rai] * The Arrival at Mutual Integration: The Absolute within the Relative [ken-chu-shi] (see) * Unity Attained: Arrival within Both at the Once [ken-chu-to] (see) I. The Apparent within the Real: Coming within the Absolute [sho-chu-hen] The rank of "The Apparent within the Real" denotes the rank of the Absolute, the rank in which one experiences the Great Death, shouts "KA!" sees Tao, and enters into the Principle. When the true practitioner, filled with power from his secret study, meritorious achievements, and hidden practices, suddenly bursts through into this rank, " the empty sky vanishes and the iron mountain crumbles." "Above, there is not a tile to cover his head; below, there is not an inch of ground for him to stand on." The delusive passions are non-existent, Enlightenment is non-existent, Samsara is non-existent, Nirvana is non-existent. This is the state of total empty solidity, without sound and without odor, like a bottomless clear pool. It is as if every fleck of cloud had been wiped from the vast sky. Too often the disciple, considering that his attainment of this rank is the end of the Great Matter and his discernment of the Buddha-way complete, clings to it to the death and will not let go of it. Such as this is called it stagnant water " Zen; such a man is called " an evil spirit who keeps watch over the corpse in the coffin." Even though he remains absorbed in this state for thirty or forty years, he will never get out of the cave of the self-complacency and inferior fruits of the Pratyeka-buddha. Therefore it is said: "He whose activity does not leave this rank sinks into the poisonous sea." He is the man that Shakyamuni Buddha called " the fool who gets his realization in the rank of the Real." Therefore, though as long as he remains in this hiding place of quietude, passivity and vacantness, inside and outside are transparent and his understanding perfectly clear, the moment the bright insight [he has thus far gained through his practice] comes into contact with differentiation's defiling conditions of turmoil and confusion, agitation and vexation, love and hate, he will find himself utterly helpless before them, and all the miseries of existence will press in upon him. It was in order to save him from this serious illness that the rank of " The Real within the Apparent " was established as an expedient. II. The Real within the Apparent: Arriving within the Relative [hen-chu-sho] If the disciple had remained in the rank of "The Apparent within the Real," his judgment would always have been vacillating and his view prejudiced. Therefore, the bodhisattva of superior capacity invariably leads his daily life in the realm of the [six] dusts, the realm of all kinds of ever-changing differentiation. All the myriad phenomena before his eyes-the old and the young, the honorable and the base, halls and pavilions, verandahs and corridors, plants and trees, mountains and rivers-he regards as his own original, true, and pure aspect. It is just like looking into a bright mirror and seeing his own face in it. If he continues for a long time to observe everything everywhere with this radiant insight, all appearances of themselves become the jeweled mirror of his own house, and he becomes the jeweled mirror of their houses as well. Dogen Zenji has said: "The experiencing of the manifold dharmas through using oneself is delusion; the experiencing of oneself through the coming of the manifold dharmas is Satori." This is just what I have been saying. This is the state of " mind and body discarded, discarded mind and body." It is like two mirrors mutually reflecting one another without even the shadow of an image between. Mind and the objects of mind are one and the same; things and oneself are not two. " A white horse enters the reed flowers snow is piled up in a silver bowl." This is what is known as the jeweled-mirror Samadhi. This is what the Nirvana Sutra is speaking about when it says: "The Tathagata sees the Buddha-nature with his own eyes." When you have entered this samadhi," though you push the great white ox, he does not go away"; the Universal Nature Wisdom manifests itself before your very eyes. This is what is meant by the expressions, "There exists only one Vehicle," "the Middle Path," " the True Form," " the
[FairfieldLife] The Five Varieties of Zen
The Five Varieties of Zen PRESENTED BY the Wanderling An old Zen student called Hsiang-yen went to dokusan with Kuei-shan Ling-yu (771-853), the T'ang dynasty master, and Kuei-shan gave him a koan, of which over and over he was unable to see into it's mysteries. Hsiang-yen decided that it was all too much for him and he would surrender. He went away and found a sacred site, the grave of the Sixth Patriarch of Chinese Zen, Hui-neng, and maintained it as a shrine. Day in and day out he had no thought about the world except his sweeping. Then one day, sweeping away, he swept a pebble into a bamboo grove beside the shrine. The pebble hit a piece of hollow bamboo and went "ping!" and he jumped up and down. The "ping!" shook him to pieces and he said, "One ping! and I have forgotten all I knew!" and he composed a poem in his excitement: "Last year's poverty was not true poverty, this year even the wind can get through". Hsiang-yen was Enlightened (source) Among the various types of Zen presented to the people of today there are some which are profound and some shallow, some that lead to Enlightenment and some that do not. It is said that during the time of the Buddha there were ninety or ninety-five schools of philosophy or religion in existence. Each school had its particular mode of practice, each was slightly different from the other. Since most religions have prayer in some form or another and prayer needs concentration of mind, most religions have at least a whiff of Zen. The different methods of concentration, almost limitless in number, come under the broad heading of Zen. Rather than try to specify all of them, the five main divisions of Zen as classified by Keiho-zenji, one of the early Zen masters in China, whose categories are still valid and useful, will be discussed here. Outwardly these five kinds of Zen scarcely differ, however beginners need to bear in mind that in the substance and purpose of these various types there are distinct differences. I. BOMPU The first of these types is called bompu, or "ordinary," Zen as opposed to the other four, each of which can be thought of as a special kind of Zen suitable for the particular aims of different individuals. Bompu Zen, being free from any philosophic or religious content, is for anybody and everybody. It is a Zen practiced purely in the belief that it can improve both physical and mental health. Since it can almost certainly have no ill effects, anyone can undertake it, whatever religious beliefs he happens to hold or if he holds none at all. Bompu Zen is bound to eliminate sickness of a psychosomatic nature and to improve the health generally. Through the practice of bompu Zen you learn to concentrate and control your mind. It never occurs to most people to try to control their minds, and unfortunately this basic training is left out of contemporary education, not being part of what is called the acquisition of knowledge. Yet without it what we learn is difficult to retain because we learn it improperly, wasting much energy in the process. Indeed, we are virtually crippled unless we know how to restrain our thoughts and concentrate our minds. Furthermore, by practicing this very excellent mode of mind training you will find yourself increasingly able to resist temptations to which you had previously succumbed, and to sever attachments which had long held you in bondage. An enrichment in personality and a strengthening of character inevitably follow since the three basic elements of mind - that is, intellect, feeling, and will - develop harmoniously. The quietist sitting practiced in Confucianism seems to have stressed mainly these effects of mind concentration. However, the fact remains that bompu Zen, although far more beneficial for the cultivation of the mind than the reading of countless books on ethics and philosophy, is unable to resolve the fundamental problem of man and his relation to the universe. Why? Because it cannot pierce the ordinary man's basic delusion of himself as distinctly other than the universe. (BACK) SEE: Laya II. GEDO The second of the five kinds of Zen is called gedo. Gedo means literally "an outside way" and so implies, from the Buddhist point of view, teachings other than Buddhist. Here we have a Zen related to religion and philosophy but yet not a Buddhist Zen. Hindu yoga, the quietist sitting of Confucianism, contemplation practices in Christianity, all these belong to the category of gedo Zen. Another feature of gedo Zen is that it is often practiced in order to cultivate various supranormal powers or skills, or to master certain arts beyond the reach of the ordinary man. It has been reported that some who have practiced this Zen have attained the ability to make people act without them having to say a word or move a muscle. There is something called the Emma Method which aims to accomplish such feats as walking barefooted on sharp sword bla
[FairfieldLife] The curious voice of David Lynch
http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=30097 "The most curious thing about any conversation with David Lynch is inarguably his voice. While one might imagine a kind of Hannibal Lector bite, instead Lynch is completely benign, if not charming. Propped beneath a nasally voice, his words are thoughtfully crafted and delivered with kind decorum. He sounds like an intercepted 1957 radio ad for Wonder Bread. Yes, this is the same David Lynch that filmed Willem Dafoe's head pop like rank melon in "Wild at Heart." Yes, even the same David Lynch that gorgeously equated rape with morbid childhood sexuality in "Blue Velvet." And, yes, even the same creator of that decomposing Rastafarian in "Mulholland Drive." Today at Battell Chapel, Lynch will be delivering a speech about both his brilliantly insidious films as well as the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace. While waiting for a flight, Lynch explained this labyrinthine title: basically, Lynch wants to work meditation into our everyday lives, with the end goal of creating world peace. And you thought "Lost Highway" was ambitious. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more important to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's Enlightenment, realization of the Self. But this is problematic within the context of the groundrules laid out by the proponents of Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web. A quick "google" can uncover a few dozen of them. Most are devottes of Ramana Maharshi, a few of Nisargadatta Maharaj, and at least one of Adi Da.; or in the lineages of these people. (which is in itself a contradiction since Ramana Maharshi didn't setup a lineage. Gangaji claims she is in the "lineage" of Ramana since she is a devotee of HWL Poonja and the latter was a devotee of Ramana. At any rate, let's briefly discuss the problem involved in stating that "one" is Enlightened ; first within the context of the Neo-Advaitins then within the context of Buddhism. 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi, HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen, Adi Da, etc The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I" left to claim it. This should stop a lot of self-styled Neo- Advaitins in their tracks straight away since lots of them have websites and obviously want to let on that they are Enlightened; but have difficulting enunciating that. They are left in a quandary: a. don't state it and thus potentially be left out of the adulation they crave by having sycophants worship them, attend their lectures, give donations, OR do make the bold claim and risk contradicting Ramana's teaching. If they go around saying "I'm enlightened", then people will become suspect in that making the claim outright have resorted to then, is to avoid certain taboo statements such as "I'm Enlightened" (but Andrew Cohen goes ahead and makes such a claim anyway).; and allude rather to certain peripheral statements of which there many. These are certain pet code or buzz phrases intended to convey the information that "I'm enlightened" ...but not allowed to say it outright; so I will resort to the code words. 2. The MMY/TM org solution is to zero in in certain symptons of Enlightenment which must be present for those in CC or higher but not present in those not in CC such as continuous Witnessing throughout the sleep state. The shortcoming here is that the list of symptoms appears to be mighty short, unless there are others conveyed during personal communications with the bonavide Teacher. (besides MMY, who would these people be?). The very notion that there are criteria for judging whether or not people are Enlightened is rejected by the Neo-advaitins but is no problem for MMY, whom in his cleverness has (more than anybody else) seen that for every state of Consciousness, there are corresponding physiological states. Although one cannot adequately describe Enlightenment, the physiological components CAN be described, (somethingthe Neo-Advaitins have overlooked). 3. Buddhism probably has the most complete and through framework for determining if the person is Enlightened; and some of these criteria were listed previously. 4. Other traditions, Sant Mat for example. The major goal here is God Consciousness which is probably the same as GC in MMY's scheme. A few of the Sant Mat Gurus probably were Enlightened but the Sant Mat Tradition basically can't deal with the idea of non-dualism and there's no conceptual framework for Advaita in Sant Mat since the founders of that Tradition reject Shankara. Well, that's about it. To conclude, many of the Neo-Advaitins want to claim Enlightenment for themselves but run into problem since their major founder Ramana Maharshi rejected the very idea of a claim as being delusional. Certain Neo-Advaitins such as Andrew Cohen have gone against Ramana's teachings with some risk to their reputations; and have indeed come up with their own long lists of the symptoms of Enlightenment, to wit: (Andrew's magazine What is Enlightenment" goes into this question in vertually every issue. Unfortunately for Andrew, if one of the criterions is "Your Mother must say you're Elnlightened" then Andrew is a failure in that regard since his Mom wrote a whole book listing the various symptoms of Andrew's big Ego. This begs the question then - are these "real" symptons of a Ego are just apparent symptoms ? I say - a cow is a cow regardless. What's your opinion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To vi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop. > > > > All of us master the drop before we master any other trick. > > HA! To see perfection in imperfection and imperfection in perfection - - > this is Wisdom indeed, O Lawsonji > > > :-) The very best jugglers in the world make The Drop part of the act. I once saw the Brothers Karimarzov (sp) doing a fancy club-passing routine when one of the Brothers sent a club flying apparently at random. He elaborately shrugged, casually walked through the web of clubs that were flying around, picked it up, threw it over his shoulder into the web of clubs and went back to his spot without anyone missing a beat. That was when we realized that it was part of the act. You cant be THAT casual about covering up a mistake unless you've practiced that particular mistake hundreds or even thousands of times. There's also a variation of juggling where The Drop is the whole act. It's a lot easier than normal toss juggling. I can mange 4 SOMETIMES in normal juggling, but 5 or more balls is easy to do when you bounce them instead of throw them. 5 balls in toss juggling is considered low-end professional level. I've seen people do 8 or 10 in bounce juggling without breaking a sweat, and I think I've managed 6 or 7. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
On 10/2/05 5:05 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because of the unverifiable nature of Enlightenment, this term has > been much manipulated. Satsang has been Americanized. In an average > satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing signs of euphoric and > unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look like he or she is in > a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually meditate. Why to > meditate if we are already all Awakened? I had posted this here before, glad to see it again. The thing you have to understand is that not everyone is a follower of a commercial guru. Many people have been trained in all the various bhumis or stages of the path, and often completely in numerous paths. In addition there will be people who have different levels of experience on these paths and their signs--inner, our and secret. What happens when they see people who, claiming to be enlightened or "awakened" but lack the experiences and the accumulations--and the signs--of aspects of the path? What of those who have had their View authenticated by their lineage and hear "awakened ones" expressing incorrect View. These people do know. Others may not, but 'you can only fool some of the people, some of the time.' It's naïve to assume these states are "unverifiable". The are verifiable by other "experiencers". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi, > HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen, > Adi Da, etc I just skimmed the article, so maybe this is answered and I missed it, but why would Ramana be a Neo-Advaitin? More generally, what's the distinction between pseudo- and Neo-Advaitins and Advaitins? > The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any > talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I" > left to claim it. Seems to me one shouldn't get so hung up on words that one is left without a way to communicate one's state of consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's > your opinion? Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always* some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn't *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have certain preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, we are continually called and challenged to surrender our preconceptions into an acceptance of that which is standing right in in front of us. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's > > your opinion? > > Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always* > some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn't > *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have certain > preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our > perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, we are > continually called and challenged to surrender our preconceptions into > an acceptance of that which is standing right in in front of us. > > :-) Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are called in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we have identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole-hearted or empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long as we are consistent and integral. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita
> This begs the question then - are these "real" symptons of a Ego > are just apparent symptoms ? I say - a cow is a cow regardless. > What's your opinion? A person "self-stimulates" themselves while viewing/reading a pornographic magazine. The resulting physiological reaction is actual. The feelings arising are quite real to the person. The person proclaims "I am the greater lover of all". Real to them. Maybe others that read porno books and do self-stimulation can relate. Illusion? Reading so-called Holy Books and effortlessly thinking some "special word" can create interesting feelings and physiological reactions. Enlightenment or illusion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Creationism verses Evolution
Creationism: http://justlikethat.homestead.com/ Evolution: http://www.emmauscomputing.com/Executive_RePackaging/lgmagic.jpg OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II Rasa Von Werder WWW.WomanThouArtGod.com September 29, 2005 Outline of Themes I. The relationships of female to female will change. There will be more open lesbian liaisons and also, women will bond in order to work together. No more scratching each other's eyes out because we are an oppressed group scrambling for the resources controlled by men. 2. Homosexuality, male and female, will be out in the open. People will not ridicule homosexuals any more as they will realize it is not a choice. The agenda of the old boy's club will be revealed. People will see the hypocrisy, prudishness and hysteria about sex a thing of the past. 3. Sex attitudes will change entirely. There will be no denouncing of masturbation, fornication and adultery, nudity and sexiness from the pulpits of the female-based churches. 4. In religion there will be major changes. The orthodox religions will pass into the background. First, women will become prominent in orthodox churches, giving way to inclusive language and then ideas. Scriptures will be reinterpreted in favor of the Feminine Divine. The orthodox churches which refuse women equal ministry and authority will decline drastically and wither away due to lack of funds. Those which remain will be seen as old, archaic, backward cults. Holding onto the stiff, anti-woman puritanical laws, these people will be viewed as out-of-date and out- of-step, totally deluded darkened. But since we have freedom of religion, it will still be practiced, but less and less so. In fact, people will leave orthodox churches in droves even though they include more females . They are tired of the old bible (which has been such a terrible motive or excuse for violence, sexism, discrimination and judgementalism) and ready to discover new paths. There will be a resurgence of Eastern thought, (already strong) meditation and gnosis; people going within and finding their own way. The underground religions of Wicca, Pagans, Druids, Pantheists, Gnostics and so forth will come into the forefront, as well as ancient worship of Egyptian goddesses like Isis and many others . Each sect - Christian, Jew, even Muslim, will bring forth their pantheon of goddesses and these will be worshipped in many veneus. There will be shrines, storefront churches, Temples and Cathedrals everywhere dedicated to Goddesses. The common man and woman on the street, wherever they may be, will be able to find worship in big or small Temples to MotherGod, a welcome relief from days gone by. People will be amazed as to how Mother worship was stifled for so long. The media will have representation for the women's spirituality equal to that of men - and then in time - surpassing the 'male God' religions. There will begin to be a representation of women's beliefs on televison. First, a station here and there. Then a network. Then more networks that represent this spirituality as well as all interests, activities, and herstory gone by. Amazing things will be brought forth, and people will be galvanized. They will breathe a sigh of relief as the old stuffy, repressed, frightening religions of men will exit out the door. Young people will see options that appeal to them rather than make them feel life is over before it begins. You will go from fear/guilt-/repression religions to love/light/joy based modalities. You will go from hypocrisy to acceptance and tolerance. From prudishness and condemnation you will have personal freedom and relaxation. Nothing about the new behavior will be immoral. It will be a breath of fresh air. Nudism will abound - not considerd particularly sexual and certainly not evil. People will walk around naked in their homes and back yards. Children will also go naked if they please and it will not be considered irresponsible to have family nudity. Nudity will be an accepted way of life and people will not be automatically shocked and tittilated at the naked body any more. Just a part of MotherGod's creation. 5. There will be a great decrease in two terrible things: abortion and child abuse. First, women will now have sex when they want to and will not be forced into it. (Of course in third world countries, this force will take time to eradicate.) Since women will have control over their bodies and sexuality, they will get pregnant less, and at the time they are ready for children, and this will eliminate huge numbers of abortions. Second, the care of children, now that women are freed up, will accelerate dramatically. Women will have spy cameras in the homes and children will have chips in their bodies (non harmful, just under the skin) which allows them to be monitored at all times. If a child is taken away or kidnapped, it will be found quickly. Child abusers will be dealt with as never before. 6. New safety measures. There will be bracelets, brooches, rings and medals by which women, children and men can get
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
<<3. Sex attitudes will change entirely. There will be no denouncing of masturbation, fornication and adultery, nudity and sexiness from the pulpits of the female-based churches.>> Now thats what I'm talking about ! Does anyone remember Pussy Galore from 007 movies? She is the woman of the future ! Bring it on Mama ! Pussy galore.exzellent OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rasa Von Werder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Men who are passive and submissive to women will now be an asset, not > a defect, as women get more macho and powerful and need simple comfort > and support. *lol* Nothing wrong with a simple reversal of roles, of course, but how about an envisoning of a partnership of genuine equality and balance between *two* powerful, self-actualized people? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/opinion/28dennett.html "Is "intelligent design" a legitimate school of scientific thought? Is there something to it, or have these people been taken in by one of the most ingenious hoaxes in the history of science? Wouldn't such a hoax be impossible? No. Here's how it has been done. First, imagine how easy it would be for a determined band of naysayers to shake the world's confidence in quantum physics - how weird it is! - or Einsteinian relativity. In spite of a century of instruction and popularization by physicists, few people ever really get their heads around the concepts involved. Most people eventually cobble together a justification for accepting the assurances of the experts: "Well, they pretty much agree with one another, and they claim that it is their understanding of these strange topics that allows them to harness atomic energy, and to make transistors and lasers, which certainly do work..." Fortunately for physicists, there is no powerful motivation for such a band of mischief-makers to form. They don't have to spend much time persuading people that quantum physics and Einsteinian relativity really have been established beyond all reasonable doubt. With evolution, however, it is different. The fundamental scientific idea of evolution by natural selection is not just mind-boggling; natural selection, by executing God's traditional task of designing and creating all creatures great and small, also seems to deny one of the best reasons we have for believing in God. So there is plenty of motivation for resisting the assurances of the biologists. Nobody is immune to wishful thinking. It takes scientific discipline to protect ourselves from our own credulity, but we've also found ingenious ways to fool ourselves and others. Some of the methods used to exploit these urges are easy to analyze; others take a little more unpacking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Artilce- David Lynch- Link included- good one!! funny
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/education/12793022.htm Posted on Sun, Oct. 02, 2005 David Lynch wants everyone to ... relax He says TM helped him. By Amy S. Rosenberg Inquirer Staff Writer Here's a quiz. To get in a David Lynch frame of mind, a David Lynch kind of head, do you: A. Drive around a small town with strains of the Blue Velvet movie soundtrack playing in the background, thinking dark, creepy thoughts about undulating folds and the underbelly of small-town life? B. Go to Bob's Big Boy every day for seven years for a burger, chocolate shake and inspiration? C. Twice daily, take 20 minutes out of your over-caffeinated, nicotine-infused existence to sit down, repeat your mantra, and become so convinced of the value of transcendental meditation that you travel the country to tell equally over-caffeinated, possibly also nicotine-infused, but definitely stressed-out college students things such as "Bliss is our nature"? Bliss is our nature? This is now the message from the creator of Eraserhead, the film starring that poufy-haired guy and the mutant baby. Apparently, it's an all-of-the-above phase of life for mind-bending filmmaker Lynch, who says his 32 years of meditating have rid him of the anger, anxiety and fear that gripped him when he was a student at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts right here in stress-inducing Philadelphia. Lynch, 59, is now touring college campuses with a band of TM devotees (including a physicist, a professor of nuclear medicine, and a volunteer student who meditates on stage while hooked up to an EEG machine) to raise $7 billion (yes, billion) for a new nonprofit. The David Lynch Foundation - dedicated to "consciousness-based world peace and education" - seeks to make transcendental meditation available to hopped-up college students, and to younger kids, too, who are suffering from lots of high blood pressure, anxiety and other ailments. "I want God to dance with us in a flow of bliss," Lynch told the overflow crowd at the University of Pennsylvania the other night, speaking in his surprisingly Poindexter-y voice, with that unmistakable shock of big-head hair and dressed in the same skinny black tie, white shirt, and black suit he has worn since his high school yearbook picture. "We're not made to suffer," he said. An unlikely message, perhaps, from someone whose psyche has coughed up such discomfiting works as Blue Velvet, The Elephant Man, and Twin Peaks (but also, as he reminded the students, the rather blissful The Straight Story, a true tale about a guy who drives his John Deere riding mower cross-country to mend his relations with his dying brother). Lynch does not see a disconnect between his meditation practices - a "diving into the ocean within to create a world of peace" sort of thing - and his ability to create dark, edgy art. He is finishing up a new film, Inland Empire, which he describes as being about "a woman in trouble," starring Lynch regular Laura Dern. "You don't have to suffer to show suffering," he said. "You don't have to be angry to show anger. Those negative emotions start lifting when you start meditating. You should have an edge. But you should get rid of those things that keep you from creating." Three decades of TM have not, however, rid him of his fear of public speaking, he says. And so, minutes before he was to appear on stage at Penn's Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology on Thursday night, the idol of many a camera-waving film student stood in an alleyway just off Spruce Street, leaned his head against the brick wall, closed his eyes, and tried to calm himself. "It's like everything, relative," Lynch had explained backstage a few minutes earlier. "If it was 32 years ago, you'd have me in a stretcher." Now, he said, jabbing a finger into the shoulder of a reporter (lightly, lightly, not at all menacingly - but this is a guy who used a severed ear as a plot device, so there is a slight recoil), he strives to reach that "field of unity," where he can tap into positive energy (jab), bliss (jab), intelligence (jab), universal love (jab), creativity (jab), and more energy and sharpness (he stopped jabbing and headed outside, presumably to dive into his ocean of calm). No doubt, academic, financial and social pressures among college students are real concerns. (Just ask the hundreds of students who arrived early but were still turned away from Lynch's lecture after the 780-seat auditorium filled up. Inside, though, the students in the artsy crowd often seemed to be the ones offering up an admiring reassurance to the disarmingly awkward Lynch.) In the book College of the Overwhelmed, Harvard mental-health services chief Dr. Richard Kadison cites statistics that find nearly half of all students experience depression during college, and one in 10 will consider suicide. Too often, Kadison writes, students resort to such destructive behaviors as eating disorders, drug abuse, cu
