[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating about your early childhood. And after your dress-up as a child, you've remained a Brunnhilde ever since, a true warrior, FFL's own Valkyrie! I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. Whether it's being a liar or a predator or a Republican or a Nazi or a rakshasa or the Axis of Evil or the American Satan, the vibe is always the same. Ho to, sings the Valkyrie, horned hat firmly in place and spear aloft, I have found EVIL and you're IT. You must PAY for your evil ways, and I'm just the person to MAKE you pay. I am going to drag you into 'Morality Court,' since I am so moral myself, and prove to the world how unintelligent / dishonest / stupid / a phony / unevolved / a lowlife pick one or more you are. And after I've finished, the only recourse left to you will be to APOLOGIZE and admit that you are WRONG and I am RIGHT. Then the world will be a better place. Recognize the vibe, Fairfield Lifers? Some people take these self-styled Valkyries seriously, and see them as noble warriors. Others of us do not, and see them as taking the LAZY path through life, criticizing without ever suggesting anything positive themselves. As Angela suggests, I guess it's just a matter of preference. Some see such people as noble players in a kind of moral opera. But the rest of us see them as kids who never grew up, and who are still playing dress-up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the very least, you should have warned us you were going to start this so we could begin keeping track of our posts by some other method than via the Yahoo Message List. This should have been announced ahead of time, not sprung on us out of the blue. What a mess. I agree that it's a dumb idea. Another self- styled Valkyrie trying to fix what isn't broken and shape the world into what he wants it to look like. And doing it badly. But to help you out, Judy, by my count you're at 33 posts for the week already, after less than a day of posting. Several other people are already close to fouling out for the week, too, in less than a day. And some say we don't need posting limits. Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British rule in N. America - An SAR Mbr.
An excellent read on the subject of the colonies is the book , Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fisher a scholar well documented crossed referenced as well as a good read. Oxford Univ. Press 1989. A cultural view of my our ancestors of the period 1629 to 1775. Recommended by Col. Ret. William D. Leed III an SAR mbr. SAR Sons of the American Revolution our sister group is the DAR, Daughters of same. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: British rule in N. America - An SAR Mbr.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An excellent read on the subject of the colonies is the book , Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fisher a scholar well documented crossed referenced as well as a good read. Oxford Univ. Press 1989. A cultural view of my our ancestors of the period 1629 to 1775. Recommended by Col. Ret. William D. Leed III an SAR mbr. SAR Sons of the American Revolution our sister group is the DAR, Daughters of same. My friend Wayne back in Santa Fe sends you his greetings from the Sons Of The Anasazi. His ancestors lived on the land he still lives on seven thousand years before yours got to America. And they built buildings larger than the Colus- seum in Rome three centuries before your people built the first shacks in the New World. :-) A few years ago Santa Fe celebrated its fourth centennial as a capital (it was a Spanish capital long before there was a U.S.A.). I thought at the time that was pretty neat until, on one of my trips to France, I arrived in Marseilles to find it celebrating its 23rd centennial as a city. American Stonehenge, in New Hampshire, has been there for 4000 years. There is evidence that the Celtic-Nordic people who built it made regular trips *back and forth* between Europe and what is now America. 17-18,000 years ago, our ancestors in Altamira, Spain and Lascaux, France were painting detailed, polychromatic landscapes complete with perspec- tive, which wasn't invented in European art until the year 1000. Perspective, dude. Americans are the new kids on the block.
[FairfieldLife] Post limit raised to 50, Topic Heading Editor, Post Tally, (was: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor)
I like the idea of topic heading editing in principle. It’s something we’ve been trying for years to get people to do voluntarily. I agree that deleting lots of past posts isn’t good, but he’s doing it to prevent re-named threads from being perpetuated as people respond to posts posted prior to his renaming. Perhaps we can find a solution to that one, or perhaps just a few days of this renaming will motivate people to do it voluntarily. I guess the solution would be that if he’s on the ball, he’ll spot the morphing of a post as soon as it happens and rename the morphed post immediately. That way, if someone responds to an earlier post, it won’t matter because the topic header and body content will still have been congruent. The FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor isn’t Off World, and he’s not doing it to cop more posts for himself. Since those who read FFL by browser may have had their count screwed up by this, here’s a list of people who usually reach their limit who are have posted quite a lot already this week: Angela – 24 Judy – 33 Off – 22 Shemp – 21 I’m still considering raising the limit to 50, but no longer going to the trouble of warning people who are getting close to the limit (i.e., making them responsible for counting their own posts) and turning off their right to post for a week (and possibly longer for repeat violations) if they go over. This sounds more draconian than I intend it to, but this is an on-going issue that takes up a lot of our time and attention, so I have to deal with it. I think raising it to 50 wouldn’t dramatically increase the number of posts people would have to slog through, because only a small minority post that much anyway, and most of those who do put some thought into their posts, but it would make FFL a more “natural” experience for those people and with the “overpost and you’re out” rule, save me from having to warn and negotiate and deliberate with people over the issue. Heck, let’s just give it a try. We’re raising the weekly limit to 50 and if anyone goes over for any reason, they get shut out for a week. I’ve just posted the totals of the most frequent posters, so you can start counting from here. Pay attention to your topic headers so posts don’t get deleted and mess up your count. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
How long is the full program in the domes now? --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trend here in FF I am running in to, Professional Meditators here whose 1-year commitment is coming up and they are not re-enlisting to be full-time Dome program attenders again. Dropping to going when they want or can do. 1)Too much manditory time obligation in the Dome everyday is the comment. 2) Also for some the money is not really enough to sustain some individuals at $600 monthly income per person. Comments folks make is that even $200 more per month would help a lot of people. For some the money is supplemental while for others it is essential. Of the 1600 people or so in the dome numbers about 200 of them are the professional meditators being paid to be there. Seems the critical number of meditators mostly is not quite met even with the pundits, staff and students others included. Outside of the TMmovement here, still are a lot of old-time TM-folks in the meditating community here and that seems to continue to grow. It is a vital place otherwise. Lots of spiritual practice going on otherwise in town. With best regards, -Doug in FF http://invincibleamerica.com/tallies.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: claudiouk wrote: What good news? You want me to spell it out? Global Family Chat provides daily updates on developments ... For decades MMY would announce overambitious plans in the New Year and nothing much happened thereafter. Whereas NOW things are happening .. . The pandits have finally arrived and the Fairfield group is now 2000 strong ... Well no, this is not true; its only half true! 1000 pandits are planned, but only -400- have come so far; and the numbers in the dome are far short of the desired 2000; if fact, they *very often* dont reach even the minimum super-radiance threshold (1732 IIRC), this is documented daily: http://invincibleamerica.com/tallies.html -- where today's totals for 16 June Fairfield/MVC [AM 1474] [PM 1613] -- not 2000! so i have to wonder by extension, how many other good news they are propagating, that is only part fact, and part fiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] FFL Guidelines
I just amended several points: Guidelines File 11/18/07 Fairfield Life used to average 75-150 posts a day - 300+ on peak days - and the guidelines included steps on how to deal with the volume. But this volume was due largely to indiscriminate posting by a few members. We now have a policy that limits all members to 50 posts a week. Most participants feel this policy has greatly enhanced the quality of the forum. Members are responsible for counting and restricting their own posts. Those who exceed their weekly quota will be banned without warning for a week (2nd offense, 2 weeks, etc.). Point 1, below, includes the following: Please refrain from personal attacks, insults... Since a few members habitually ignore this guideline, we're going to try putting some teeth in it. Those who can't refrain from flaming (personal attacks) or indulge in gratuitous profanity or sexist, racist, etc. slurs will be warned, then if they persist, will be banned for a week, 2nd offense 2 weeks, etc. -- You can also read FFL posts at http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/. Some say this is faster than the Yahoo groups interface, and prefer it because it allows sorting by thread and has a better search function. -- Check out http://www.frappr.com/fairfieldlife and add yourself if you feel like it. -- 1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button. 2) Edit your posts and make them as concise and non-repetitive as possible. 3) Please snip - be highly selective in quoting a message to which you are responding, deleting all but the most relevant portions of the prior posts. This makes the daily digest easier to read for those who subscribe to it. Also, if the topic of a thread changes, please change the subject header. If you don't, someone with moderator status will delete your post and post its content in a new post with an accurate header. 4) Try to make clear to the reader if you are writing from the perspective of personal experience, from information gained from teachers or books, from your own thoughts, reasoning, logic or conjecture. Please cite sources where relevant. 5) Reference prior posts by their archive number whenever possible. 6) Anonymous posts are permitted, using an account you create. 7) FFL is a newsgroup public forum. FFL can be openly read from the web. Posting privileges are through membership only. Material published to FFL is not privileged or protected by law. Material published to FFL might be quoted and used elsewhere. 8) Make cross-posts from other sites only as they are relevant to this group. If you think another site has great value, write one post saying so, then let others join or go to that site on their own, at their discretion. 9) Only post links to other sites that are relevant references to the specific discussion at hand. 10) While friendly exchange between friends is natural, try to pass on personal messages via personal e-mail, refraining where possible from sending personal messages to the whole list. 11) Feel to invite your friends to join FFL, and to use the site's Promote feature on your websites. The broader the personal network, the greater the value to all. Friends may now access the posts of FFL directly off the home page without having to join the list. 12) Please don't post commercial announcements in the main message area. Folders have been set up in the Database, Links and Files sections for listing books, CDs, DVDs and other items for trade, a Fairfield ride board, local events, hiring/looking for work announcements, informative articles, useful links, etc. Also check http://fairfieldtoday.com/. 13) Political discussions are allowed. However, be kind and respectful of others' viewpoints. Come with a humble heart, an open mind, and the desire to contribute constructively to everyone's broader awareness. 14) Keep in mind that many FFL members desire to maintain anonymity. If you happen to know a member's real name, perhaps because that member has mentioned it in a post or two, or just to you privately, please refer to that member only by their pseudonym. 15) If you want to make suggestions for the refinement of these guidelines, please post them in the forum. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
Is Doug Henning alive? - Original Message From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:43:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty) I am confused. Who is ffl_topic_heading_editor? Is it OffWorld? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I see the 2 as entirely different worlds. A full legit show in Vegas.and a loser side-show. Two different worlds. That was my whole point I understand how you see it. Because the terms you used are precise for performers I saw it differently. I don't see how your imagining him as a has been washed up entertainer without MMY honors his memory more than my view of him as a creative guy whose career got derailed by MMY's plans for him. Off_World wrote: I think you are incredibly arrogant to decide what was good for him, especially when you know that he would disagree with you right now. For decades he followed and promoted everything MMY did, and obviously that was his decision. You are insulting his memory to say he was wrong to do that. You talk like he is some kind of dog that got put on a leash, and that is an insult to anyone's memory. He was autonomous and a grown up, and would totally would disagree with you, and you know it. Given our different valuation of MMY's programs that is to be expected. Yes, I base my views on research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. What do you base yours on. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
No, Doug died several years ago I believe from that odd form of cancer that several TMers got. I think it was cancer of the bile duct. Didn't Skip Alexander die from the same thing? --- Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Doug Henning alive? - Original Message From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:43:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty) I am confused. Who is ffl_topic_heading_editor? Is it OffWorld? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I see the 2 as entirely different worlds. A full legit show in Vegas.and a loser side-show. Two different worlds. That was my whole point I understand how you see it. Because the terms you used are precise for performers I saw it differently. I don't see how your imagining him as a has been washed up entertainer without MMY honors his memory more than my view of him as a creative guy whose career got derailed by MMY's plans for him. Off_World wrote: I think you are incredibly arrogant to decide what was good for him, especially when you know that he would disagree with you right now. For decades he followed and promoted everything MMY did, and obviously that was his decision. You are insulting his memory to say he was wrong to do that. You talk like he is some kind of dog that got put on a leash, and that is an insult to anyone's memory. He was autonomous and a grown up, and would totally would disagree with you, and you know it. Given our different valuation of MMY's programs that is to be expected. Yes, I base my views on research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. What do you base yours on. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss Nazis. You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is not what I have heard from friends who have visited recently. Although there is a group think consensus on some beliefs like nature support, I heard that Fairfield supports free thinking. At least outside the inner core or as it is known, the Raja's realm. Aren't there many different styles of thinking within a basically spiritual framework there? Great Question Curtis, i would observe that people are here mostly because in core they are 'transcendentalists', in the highest American tradition of that. That is probably what people feel in core most as they are part of the larger whole 'meditating' community here. Most people would say they are or came here as meditators in that sense, but most would also say now that they are not 'that' up there on campus as the Raja thing would project it now. This German Raja on stage will only re-enforce this. FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a core of transcendentalism in the middle of it. It is very free-thinking and American. -Doug in FF Personally I might have trouble with a constant undercurrent of spirituality assumptions. I live among recent immigrants because I love the stimulation of few intellectually shared assumptions. So why put up with those Winters if the intellectual climate isn't working for you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't describing the totality of Fairfield. It does support all kinds of thinking and all kinds of wonderful craziness. But there is definitely a fascist vibe to the inner core of the org. We've got town Rus and Campus Rus. I sometimes refer to them as house niggers and field niggers. And there are plenty of ex Rus and seekers from other traditions as well. The raja costumes are part of the inner core. Y'all are prolly all used to the fascist vibe looking exclusively like Darth Veder, but Germans remember something more varied than that. There was a large New Age component to German fascism, which started out as stupidly insipid as those rajas are, and then got increasingly dark. There were dudes in ridiculous robes running around in Germany under Hitler. They didn't wear the same style of crowns but preferred wreaths made of oak leaves, sometimes gilded. a authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: The audience reacted negatively because to them, the rhetoric of the TMO sounds just like Hitler style fascism. It's not just the word invincibility. It's the whole vibe of the thing. a No, they were fine with Lynch, and he was using the same rhetoric, just not that particular word. They quieted right down when Lynch took over the podium again; they were willing to hear what he had to say. They were reacting negatively to the *raja's* vibe; who wouldn't? (Not because his vibe is fascist, but because he's a pompous ass.) But that reaction didn't extend to Lynch even after the raja had blown it. I thought Lynch did a good job straightening out the misunderstanding. At least the audience seems to have realized the way they took it originally wasn't the way it was meant. What puzzles me is, the TMO has been using the word invincibility for many years. You'd think *somebody* in the German TMO would have pointed out the problem with the German term by now. It's like advocating states' rights or Jim Crow to an audience of African-Americans (only worse). Why didn't the raja dude know that, if he's German himself?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I ran into an old friend the other day whose parents died and left him plenty of money. He’s set for life. Yet he collects his $600 monthly for being in the dome. I questioned the morality of that and his response was that he felt the movement owed it to him. not sure how. I wasn't even aware they were doing this. Do the obligations involve just going to the dome, or something else? Do they take attendance to make sure the professional meditators actually show up? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Rick says he might consider raising the limit to 50. I hope so, as I've really been enjoying Judy's contributions, as well as those of several others close to the max. Rick, now's the time. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Solution to Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Have you ever eaten sausages? Same thing. But American's don't know that becaue they think sausages are made in a factory from something. THEY ARE MADE FROM the LINING of INTESTINES. The *casings* are made from the lining of intestines. The casings are then filled with ground meat, fat, and flavorings. Which is the same way Haggis is made, only using the stomach lining instead of the intestine linings. It is the same thing, except haggis does not add fat inside. It is mostly barley, spices, and some ground meat. OffWorld 1) Have you ever eaten haggis and, if so, what is it like? 2) Have you ever heard of a vegetarian haggis and, if so, have you ever tried one and what was it like? (I ask this because it seems from your answer above that there is more non-meat stuff than meat stuff in it). Yes I have eaten haggis as a kid. But only when we were in these competition hikes (2-3 day hikes about 25 miles a day - running with a 30 pund backpack, orienteering - we won the Britisha national competition one year) We sometimes brought haggis slices (but only when we were training) and fried them. It was actually good. Was not like some greasy sausage , and had a lot of grains and spices in it, and I'm pretty sure there was not a lot of meat in them. No-one in my family ever ate it as a meal. Yes, when I lived near the TM dome in Skelmersdale England there was a TM store and they had vegetarian haggis. You can still buy it in Britain. It is not as good though, and I don't know why, I guess the extra fat from the small amount of meat that is real haggis was just enough to make it not so dry as vegetarian haggis. Thats my haggis story. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university because of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss Nazis. You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is not what I have heard from friends who have visited recently. Although there is a group think consensus on some beliefs like nature support, I heard that Fairfield supports free thinking. At least outside the inner core or as it is known, the Raja's realm. Aren't there many different styles of thinking within a basically spiritual framework there? Great Question Curtis, i would observe that people are here mostly because in core they are 'transcendentalists', in the highest American tradition of that. That is probably what people feel in core most as they are part of the larger whole 'meditating' community here. Most people would say they are or came here as meditators in that sense, but most would also say now that they are not 'that' up there on campus as the Raja thing would project it now. This German Raja on stage will only re-enforce this. FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a core of transcendentalism in the middle of it. It is very free-thinking and American. -Doug in FF Personally I might have trouble with a constant undercurrent of spirituality assumptions. I live among recent immigrants because I love the stimulation of few intellectually shared assumptions. So why put up with those Winters if the intellectual climate isn't working for you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't describing the totality of Fairfield. It does support all kinds of thinking and all kinds of wonderful craziness. But there is definitely a fascist vibe to the inner core of the org. We've got town Rus and Campus Rus. I sometimes refer to them as house niggers and field niggers. And there are plenty of ex Rus and seekers from other traditions as well. The raja costumes are part of the inner core. Y'all are prolly all used to the fascist vibe looking exclusively like Darth Veder, but Germans remember something more varied than that. There was a large New Age component to German fascism, which started out as stupidly insipid as those rajas are, and then got increasingly dark. There were dudes in ridiculous robes running around in Germany under Hitler. They didn't wear the same style of crowns but preferred wreaths made of oak leaves, sometimes gilded. a authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: The audience reacted negatively because to them, the rhetoric of the TMO sounds just like Hitler style fascism. It's not just the word invincibility. It's the whole vibe of the thing. a No, they were fine with Lynch, and he was using the same rhetoric, just not that particular word. They quieted right down when Lynch took over the podium again; they were willing to hear what he had to say. They were reacting negatively to the *raja's* vibe; who wouldn't? (Not because his vibe is fascist, but because he's a pompous ass.) But that reaction didn't extend to Lynch even after the raja had blown it. I thought Lynch did a good job straightening out the misunderstanding. At least the audience seems to have realized the way they took it originally wasn't the way it was
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Oh my gosh! Judy,could it possibly be that your father was Jack M. Stein, author of Richard Wagner and the Synthesis of the Arts, published in 1960? I have it right in front of me. I've been reading it for several weeks! No kidding! Yup, that's me dad. I once heard Mick Jagger say, describing his first experiences (pun intended) of Hendrix's playing: He blew me head off! I thought using 'me' as a possessive pronoun(?) was strictly British. I guess that's not the case after all. It IS strictly British. Judy is just taking some poetic license.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Intent blog
Vaj wrote: ...you should know that all the experiences of all the stages of mantra meditation are well known and meticulously documented. Yeah, right Vaj, that's why you had no comment when I posted a direct quote from primary sources to support my contention that TM is Raja Yoga. Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava] and meditation thereon. - Y.S., Book One V. 28. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154833
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
TurquoiseB wrote: Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Those who can't refrain from flaming (personal attacks) or indulge in gratuitous profanity or sexist, racist, etc. slurs will be warned, then if they persist, will be banned for a week, 2nd offense 2 weeks, etc. - Rick Archer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155074
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
nablusoss wrote: Your arrogance is rivalled only by your Nazi countrymen. (...) This connection excists only in your sick mind devoid of intuition. Those who can't refrain from flaming (personal attacks) or indulge in gratuitous profanity or sexist, racist, etc. slurs will be warned, then if they persist, will be banned for a week, 2nd offense 2 weeks, etc. - Rick Archer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155074
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: At the very least, you should have warned us you were going to start this so we could begin keeping track of our posts by some other method than via the Yahoo Message List. This should have been announced ahead of time, not sprung on us out of the blue. What a mess. I agree that it's a dumb idea. Another self- styled Valkyrie trying to fix what isn't broken and shape the world into what he wants it to look like. And doing it badly. But to help you out, Judy, by my count you're at 33 posts for the week already, after less than a day of posting. Several other people are already close to fouling out for the week, too, in less than a day. And some say we don't need posting limits. Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Mr. Hall Monitor/Tattle-Tale strikes again, counting and monitoring how many posts his arch-rival makes...and this from the man who just wrote an entire post on self-styled Valkyries.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. I knew it was too good to be true...:) Now we can look forward to about 20 more posts between Barry and Judy, duking it out. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Intent blog
Bhairitu wrote: Judy you are becoming more and more like Willy every day. How is life under the bridge? You two need to stop the lying! I already told you that I don't live under a bridge. Why you rascals can't carry on a fair debate is beyond me. Some informers you turned out to be. And you two need to stop calling me a troll. I've been a respondent here since around post #714. Maybe it's time for you to take a sabbatical from FL and go meditate on your own foibles - then, in a year or two, you could return and dialog like pundits. Yoga is meditation that is transcendental and everyone meditates - meditation is based on thinking. There is hardly a person on the planet who doesn't pause once or twice a day and take stock of their own mental contents. And everyone is transcending, even without a technique. Meditation means simply to think things over. Why can't you guys just be honest for a change instead of trying constantly to sell water down by the river? When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world. - Y.S. I.1.3 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154834
RE: [FairfieldLife] Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:38 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I ran into an old friend the other day whose parents died and left him plenty of money. He’s set for life. Yet he collects his $600 monthly for being in the dome. I questioned the morality of that and his response was that he felt the movement owed it to him. not sure how. I wasn't even aware they were doing this. Do the obligations involve just going to the dome, or something else? I think you have to do a fairly long program, although I know people who do other forms of meditation in there, such as Course in Miracles meditation, and still collect their $600. Do they take attendance to make sure the professional meditators actually show up? Yes. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:51 AM, off_world_beings wrote: It IS strictly British. Judy is just taking some poetic license. Jamaican too. Jamaicans learned their English from the British, idiot. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Those who can't refrain from flaming (personal attacks) or indulge in gratuitous profanity or sexist, racist, etc. slurs will be warned, Is calling someone an American Idiot ok? They wrote a song about it. It is by a band called Green Day from West coast US. Catchy song, have you guys heard it? I bet Curtis has, if not you should look it up OffWorld then if they persist, will be banned for a week, 2nd offense 2 weeks, etc. - Rick Archer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155074
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Intent blog
Bhairitu wrote: I have no problem with TM in general but as a teacher now of another technique who has attained a certain level or title as a tantric I have a duty to correct misconceptions about meditation here mainly espoused by people I consider TM fundies who we laughed about in the TM center I was associated with (in Seattle). So, you're teaching TM and calling it tantric yoga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I ran into an old friend the other day whose parents died and left him plenty of money. He's set for life. Yet he collects his $600 monthly for being in the dome. I questioned the morality of that and his response was that he felt the movement owed it to him. not sure how. I wasn't even aware they were doing this. Do the obligations involve just going to the dome, or something else? Do they take attendance to make sure the professional meditators actually show up? Sal Yes they take attendance. The paid dome goers are given a certain number of sick days per month that they can miss, but after that they get docked pay off their $600. I can see someone, rich or poor, viewing it as a job that they deserve to get paid for, though it's obviously meant for people who need the money. My question is -- how long can Settle keep paying the $1 million per month to support the paid domers and the pundits? My semi-reliable sources say he's not that rich.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Peter wrote: No, Doug died several years ago I believe from that odd form of cancer that several TMers got. I think it was cancer of the bile duct. Didn't Skip Alexander die from the same thing? Liver cancer--not sure about Skip. Supposedly Jim Karpen got some very serious form of cancer from faulty wiring in the frat he was living in. Fortunately he survived. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I ran into an old friend the other day whose parents died and left him plenty of money. He's set for life. Yet he collects his $600 monthly for being in the dome. I questioned the morality of that and his response was that he felt the movement owed it to him. not sure how. I wasn't even aware they were doing this. Lol ! You're great Sal. OffWorld Do they take attendance to make sure the professional meditators actually show up? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Doug Henning alive? If you look to the night sky on a clear night, look for Orion, then look for Casseopiea. Between those two you will find a star constellation called Auriga (the charioteer). On either the left or the right side within that constellation (can't remember you would need to look it up), you will see a small group of 3 stars. One of those stars is Doug Henning's. The small group of stars is called the Magicians True story. Serious...not kidding (but no, he is not on this earth if that is what you mean) OffWorld - Original Message From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:43:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty) I am confused. Who is ffl_topic_heading_editor? Is it OffWorld? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor ffl_topic_heading_editor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I see the 2 as entirely different worlds. A full legit show in Vegas.and a loser side-show. Two different worlds. That was my whole point I understand how you see it. Because the terms you used are precise for performers I saw it differently. I don't see how your imagining him as a has been washed up entertainer without MMY honors his memory more than my view of him as a creative guy whose career got derailed by MMY's plans for him. Off_World wrote: I think you are incredibly arrogant to decide what was good for him, especially when you know that he would disagree with you right now. For decades he followed and promoted everything MMY did, and obviously that was his decision. You are insulting his memory to say he was wrong to do that. You talk like he is some kind of dog that got put on a leash, and that is an insult to anyone's memory. He was autonomous and a grown up, and would totally would disagree with you, and you know it. Given our different valuation of MMY's programs that is to be expected. Yes, I base my views on research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. What do you base yours on. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links __ __ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. --- ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: No. He is someone else who volunteered to correct the thread topic when the content of the thread has morphed into something no longer represented by the topic. This is something we all should do, but it's hard to get people to do it, or to snip unneeded text in their posts. Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. Because that makes it impossible to count one's posts using the Yahoo message list, since FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor appears under the Author heading rather than the name of the person who made the post. The Yahoo message service is not counting accurately, regardless. And changing the thread should only effect any one individual's posts occasionally. And they will never be effected if one keeps headings accurate. He's also snipping way too much context so that you have no idea what the post was responding to, and he's leaving out some of the attributions so you don't even know whose post it was or who the person was addressing. Since all of the reference posts are below, maintaining substantial reference in the post itself is redundant. And doing so makes reading posts difficult -- often necessitating scrolling 5-6 pages to get to the new post. If I have been over snipping, I will try to do better. However, one can simply keep their own posts snipped -- to their own satisfaction. And of course it completely screws up the Yahoo threading feature. How so? It creates a new thread with an accurate heading so people can more easily follow topics they choose to. Having unrelated heading titles is what screws up the threading system. This is a *terrible* idea, Rick. How many people complained about morphed threads, two? Why not try it for several weeks. If after two weeks, people find FFL is not easer to read and navigate, we can abandon this effort. Or, better yet, people can simple create accurate headings for their posts. And snip them concisely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. I knew it was too good to be true...:) Now we can look forward to about 20 more posts between Barry and Judy, duking it out. Not from my side. Unlike some, I just say what I have to say and let others respond as they see fit. I see no need to defend anything I say. If others do, well, it kinda eats up their posting allotment, doesn't it? :-) Besides, if it wasn't obvious, I was talking about more than one person. I can think of several people on this forum who fit the description in my post, and in the TM movement at large, thousands. Not to mention the larger world outside of cultdom. This idea of the righteously angry crusader is becoming more and more prevalent, and sadly, more and more *lauded* in society. I don't think it's a good trend. Someone should notice that most of these crusaders never say anything positive or make any suggestions for how things could be done better. (Other than getting rid of the people they blame for everything, that is.) They get praised for bitching, as if bitch- ing took a lot of intelligence or effort. Bottom line, from a Buddhist perspective, is that some are actually praising people for indulging in the toxic emotions and holding them up as role models. That's how weird things have gotten out there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Oh my gosh! Judy,could it possibly be that your father was Jack M. Stein, author of Richard Wagner and the Synthesis of the Arts, published in 1960? I have it right in front of me. I've been reading it for several weeks! No kidding! Yup, that's me dad. I once heard Mick Jagger say, describing his first experiences (pun intended) of Hendrix's playing: He blew me head off! I thought using 'me' as a possessive pronoun(?) was strictly British. I guess that's not the case after all. It IS strictly British. Judy is just taking some poetic license. Jamaican too. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
I agree, this is too confusing. but the point about changing one's title threads is a good one. OffwWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. --- ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: No. He is someone else who volunteered to correct the thread topic when the content of the thread has morphed into something no longer represented by the topic. This is something we all should do, but it's hard to get people to do it, or to snip unneeded text in their posts. Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. Because that makes it impossible to count one's posts using the Yahoo message list, since FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor appears under the Author heading rather than the name of the person who made the post. The Yahoo message service is not counting accurately, regardless. And changing the thread should only effect any one individual's posts occasionally. And they will never be effected if one keeps headings accurate. He's also snipping way too much context so that you have no idea what the post was responding to, and he's leaving out some of the attributions so you don't even know whose post it was or who the person was addressing. Since all of the reference posts are below, maintaining substantial reference in the post itself is redundant. And doing so makes reading posts difficult -- often necessitating scrolling 5-6 pages to get to the new post. If I have been over snipping, I will try to do better. However, one can simply keep their own posts snipped -- to their own satisfaction. And of course it completely screws up the Yahoo threading feature. How so? It creates a new thread with an accurate heading so people can more easily follow topics they choose to. Having unrelated heading titles is what screws up the threading system. This is a *terrible* idea, Rick. How many people complained about morphed threads, two? Why not try it for several weeks. If after two weeks, people find FFL is not easer to read and navigate, we can abandon this effort. Or, better yet, people can simple create accurate headings for their posts. And snip them concisely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Intent blog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: ...you should know that all the experiences of all the stages of mantra meditation are well known and meticulously documented. Yeah, right Vaj, that's why you had no comment when I posted a direct quote from primary sources to support my contention that TM is Raja Yoga. Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava] and meditation thereon. - Y.S., Book One V. 28. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154833 I am going on 30-year memory here, but I remember a tape by MMY from TTC in which he addressed what type of yoga TM was. He said that, in a sense, we could call TM raja yoga because raja denotes royalty and, like a king who does nothing yet has everything done for him, TM's effortlessness rallies nature to do everything for it. But I also remember him saying that if we were to call TM any type of yoga, we would call it karma yoga because it is a yoga of action with rest as the basis of activity and that dynamic rest being the period TM twice daily. Again, this is all from memory and could be off...anyone else remember the tape I am referring to?
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a core of transcendentalism in the middle of it. It is very free-thinking and American. -Doug in FF It is nice how much you love where you live Doug. I had two friends visit recently who are not really spiritually minded but said Fairfield has a lot to offer on a lot of levels. One comment that interested me was that there is less Ru-Townie polarity. I think the common goals of raising families gives people more in common no matter what the beliefs. Referencing the American Transcendentalist tradition sounds apt. I really need to visit someday. I never could have even imagined it until I started posting here and learning about the different ways people relationship with the teaching has evolved. Thanks for responding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss Nazis. You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is not what I have heard from friends who have visited recently. Although there is a group think consensus on some beliefs like nature support, I heard that Fairfield supports free thinking. At least outside the inner core or as it is known, the Raja's realm. Aren't there many different styles of thinking within a basically spiritual framework there? Great Question Curtis, i would observe that people are here mostly because in core they are 'transcendentalists', in the highest American tradition of that. That is probably what people feel in core most as they are part of the larger whole 'meditating' community here. Most people would say they are or came here as meditators in that sense, but most would also say now that they are not 'that' up there on campus as the Raja thing would project it now. This German Raja on stage will only re-enforce this. FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a core of transcendentalism in the middle of it. It is very free-thinking and American. -Doug in FF Personally I might have trouble with a constant undercurrent of spirituality assumptions. I live among recent immigrants because I love the stimulation of few intellectually shared assumptions. So why put up with those Winters if the intellectual climate isn't working for you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I wasn't describing the totality of Fairfield. It does support all kinds of thinking and all kinds of wonderful craziness. But there is definitely a fascist vibe to the inner core of the org. We've got town Rus and Campus Rus. I sometimes refer to them as house niggers and field niggers. And there are plenty of ex Rus and seekers from other traditions as well. The raja costumes are part of the inner core. Y'all are prolly all used to the fascist vibe looking exclusively like Darth Veder, but Germans remember something more varied than that. There was a large New Age component to German fascism, which started out as stupidly insipid as those rajas are, and then got increasingly dark. There were dudes in ridiculous robes running around in Germany under Hitler. They didn't wear the same style of crowns but preferred wreaths made of oak leaves, sometimes gilded. a authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: The audience reacted negatively because to them, the rhetoric of the TMO sounds just like Hitler style fascism. It's not just the word invincibility. It's the whole vibe of the thing. a No, they were fine with Lynch, and he was using the same rhetoric, just not that particular word. They quieted right down when Lynch took over the podium again; they were willing to hear what he had to say. They were reacting negatively to the *raja's* vibe; who wouldn't? (Not because his vibe is fascist, but because he's a pompous ass.) But that reaction didn't extend to Lynch even after the raja had blown it. I thought Lynch did a good job straightening out the misunderstanding. At least the audience seems to have realized the way they took it originally
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL On Topic Headings
Do you read posts from an email account or at the FFL messages page? --- ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. There is no deleting of archives. Copies of the posts are re-posted using a an on-topic header. In come cases, massive excess remainders of many prior posts are snipped -- as posters should be doing themselves. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Placing on-topic headings on threads does not make it more difficult to follow threads. And the old thread is referenced in the title. But I can make post heading transitions clearer by: 1) Placing the full reference of the prior heading the text. 2) Placing the posters name at the top of the post so its visible from without opening the post. 3) Keeping a tally of the authors of transitioned posts so they can add this to their weekly count. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Agreed. This topic heading editor bullshit is total fucking idiocy. It screws up the archives, and if one participates via email, it doesn't do a damn thing except make posts appear twice.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There’s also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I see no need to defend anything I say. [snip] Obviously. You feel you can pretty well lie at will and not defend yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Oh my gosh! Judy,could it possibly be that your father was Jack M. Stein, author of Richard Wagner and the Synthesis of the Arts, published in 1960? I have it right in front of me. I've been reading it for several weeks! No kidding! Yup, that's me dad. I once heard Mick Jagger say, describing his first experiences (pun intended) of Hendrix's playing: He blew me head off! I thought using 'me' as a possessive pronoun(?) was strictly British. I guess that's not the case after all. It IS strictly British. Judy is just taking some poetic license. Jamaican too. OffWorld Hey, Mr. Tallyman, tally me banana...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor Rick says he might consider raising the limit to 50. I hope so, as I've really been enjoying Judy's contributions, as well as those of several others close to the max. Rick, now's the time. I did raise it, in case you missed that post. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: British rule in N. America - An SAR Mbr.
TurquoiseB wrote: His ancestors lived on the land he still lives on seven thousand years before yours got to America. Apparently this is outright misinformation. From what I've read, and most archaeologists seem to agree, the Pueblo - Navajo native inhabitants emerged around 1200 B.C., and are known as basket weavers. If they lived there over seven thousand years ago, I suppose there would be some evidence of such. Seven thousand years ago would place them in the New Stone Age before the discovery of agriculture, weaving, the wheel, and before the invention of pottery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL On Topic Headings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. There is no deleting of archives. Copies of the posts are re-posted using a an on-topic header. In come cases, massive excess remainders of many prior posts are snipped -- as posters should be doing themselves. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Placing on-topic headings on threads does not make it more difficult to follow threads. And the old thread is referenced in the title. But I can make post heading transitions clearer by: 1) Placing the full reference of the prior heading the text. 2) Placing the posters name at the top of the post so its visible from without opening the post. 3) Keeping a tally of the authors of transitioned posts so they can add this to their weekly count.
[FairfieldLife] New Weeking Posting Limits Raised to 50
Rick Archer wrote: Past Header: Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor Sal wrote: Rick says he might consider raising the limit to 50. I hope so, as I've really been enjoying Judy's contributions, as well as those of several others close to the max. Rick, now's the time. Rick Wrote: I did raise it, in case you missed that post.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Professional Meditators Struggling Dome Invincibility
On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I think you have to do a fairly long program, although I know people who do other forms of meditation in there, such as Course in Miracles meditation, and still collect their $600. They should give em a bonus, really, for still having the ability to actually use their brains. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Intent blog
Shemp wrote: But I also remember him saying that if we were to call TM any type of yoga, we would call it karma yoga because it is a yoga of action with rest as the basis of activity and that dynamic rest being the period TM twice daily. Raja Yoga is based on action. The purpose of yoga is to go beyond (transcend) the actions of the three gunas born of nature - to isolate the Purusha. Raja Yoga is therefore the yoga of action. According to Patanjali: When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world. - Y.S. I.1.3
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
Thanks, Rick. There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. When I returned from China, I lived on campus for a time, renting a room in Utopia Park. My friend (and landlady) and I learned that a woman in her late fifties who had worked for decades as a secretary to a high movement official had lost her job (no fault of her own) and was homeless, literally sleeping in the woods. My friend and I looked at each other and we both said, That is really wrong. And although we were already crowded (three in that 2-bedroom trailer), we invited this woman to stay with us. When the administration somehow learned of this, they told us that we could not do this, and if we continued, my friend would be evicted from her home. There were many empty trailers at the time, and it seems that, rather than allow them to remain empty, one of them could have been used temporarily to house this former secretary who had worked long hours for almost no pay for many years. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. Theres also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Updating Post Counts
Following is a count of posts that will not show up in the post listings or archive search. I will update this list periodically so those that are close to the new 50 post limit can make a more precise count. Shemp I Off_World II Authfriend II Rick I Angela I Curtis I
Re: [FairfieldLife] New Weeking Posting Limits Raised to 50KEEP 35
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
I would call that callous and unfeeling rather than cult-like. But I do want to comment that cult-like is a more accurate description of some aspects of campus life and thought than fascist or Nazi, two terms you have frequently used up to now, which seem wildly inappropriate to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Rick. There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. When I returned from China, I lived on campus for a time, renting a room in Utopia Park. My friend (and landlady) and I learned that a woman in her late fifties who had worked for decades as a secretary to a high movement official had lost her job (no fault of her own) and was homeless, literally sleeping in the woods. My friend and I looked at each other and we both said, That is really wrong. And although we were already crowded (three in that 2-bedroom trailer), we invited this woman to stay with us. When the administration somehow learned of this, they told us that we could not do this, and if we continued, my friend would be evicted from her home. There were many empty trailers at the time, and it seems that, rather than allow them to remain empty, one of them could have been used temporarily to house this former secretary who had worked long hours for almost no pay for many years. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] The Atmosphere in Fairfield, (was David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a core of transcendentalism in the middle of it. It is very free-thinking and American. -Doug in FF It is nice how much you love where you live Doug. I had two friends visit recently who are not really spiritually minded but said Fairfield has a lot to offer on a lot of levels. One comment that interested me was that there is less Ru-Townie polarity. I think the common goals of raising families gives people more in common no matter what the beliefs. Referencing the American Transcendentalist tradition sounds apt. I really need to visit someday. I never could have even imagined it until I started posting here and learning about the different ways people relationship with the teaching has evolved. Thanks for responding. When you do visit, bring your instruments and play at the Art Walk. Warm weather would be best, but there are places to play indoors too. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But to help you out, Judy, by my count you're at 33 posts for the week already, after less than a day of posting. Several other people are already close to fouling out for the week, too, in less than a day. And some say we don't need posting limits. Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Ooopsie, really bad timing on that one, Barry. Some of us here enjoy interacting with others on the forum, as opposed to posting sermons or little pieces of Creative Writing while avoiding real engagement with the other members. The former takes up more posts than the latter, obviously. I'd much rather engage with people intensively for a day or two without worrying about how many posts I'm making, then lay off for the rest of the week. Has nothing to do with self-control; it's how one prefers to use the forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atmosphere in Fairfield, (was David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into C
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you do visit, bring your instruments and play at the Art Walk. Warm weather would be best, but there are places to play indoors too. But keep that big instrument properly sheathed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL On Topic Headings
I read posts from the web page. Are there any particular problems from the process of updating the topic of headers that occur on e-mails? Let me know and I can try to address them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you read posts from an email account or at the FFL messages page? --- ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. There is no deleting of archives. Copies of the posts are re-posted using a an on-topic header. In come cases, massive excess remainders of many prior posts are snipped -- as posters should be doing themselves. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Placing on-topic headings on threads does not make it more difficult to follow threads. And the old thread is referenced in the title. But I can make post heading transitions clearer by: 1) Placing the full reference of the prior heading the text. 2) Placing the posters name at the top of the post so its visible from without opening the post. 3) Keeping a tally of the authors of transitioned posts so they can add this to their weekly count. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Fascinating about your early childhood. And after your dress-up as a child, you've remained a Brunnhilde ever since, a true warrior, FFL's own Valkyrie! I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. (I.e., How can I use this as another putdown of Judy and my other enemies?) There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. Whether it's being a liar or a predator or a Republican or a Nazi or a rakshasa or the Axis of Evil or the American Satan, Or Valkyries. Barry, do you *genuinely* not realize that you're one of us?? You're *constantly* railing against this, that, or the other purported evil and its purported perpetrators. Dig yourself. You're doing it *right now*. Ho to, sings the Valkyrie, horned hat firmly in place and spear aloft, It's Ho-jo-to-ho (jo is pronounced yo), and it's a winged helmet, not a horned hat: http://www.mavarts.com/images/2004update/sculpts/Valkyrie.jpg http://member.hitel.net/~wcpark/Images/Valkyrie.JPG (In any case, the Valkyries' role isn't to run around denouncing evil but rather to ride into battle and scoop up dead warriors to take to Valhalla.)
[FairfieldLife] Righteous Crusaders (was: for Judy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. I knew it was too good to be true...:) Now we can look forward to about 20 more posts between Barry and Judy, duking it out. Not from my side. Unlike some, I just say what I have to say and let others respond as they see fit. I see no need to defend anything I say. If others do, well, it kinda eats up their posting allotment, doesn't it? :-) Besides, if it wasn't obvious, I was talking about more than one person. I can think of several people on this forum who fit the description in my post, and in the TM movement at large, thousands. Not to mention the larger world outside of cultdom. This idea of the righteously angry crusader is becoming more and more prevalent, and sadly, more and more *lauded* in society. I don't think it's a good trend. Says Barry, crusading righteously against righteous crusaders. Someone should notice that most of these crusaders never say anything positive or make any suggestions for how things could be done better. (Other than getting rid of the people they blame for everything, that is.) Says Barry, failing to make any suggestions for how things could be done better, because then he'd have to follow them himself and eschew his compulsive righteous crusading. They get praised for bitching, as if bitch- ing took a lot of intelligence or effort. Bottom line, from a Buddhist perspective, is that some are actually praising people for indulging in the toxic emotions and holding them up as role models. That's how weird things have gotten out there.
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following is a count of posts that will not show up in the post listings or archive search. I will update this list periodically so those that are close to the new 50 post limit can make a more precise count. Shemp I Off_World II Authfriend II Rick I Angela I Curtis I Instead, why don't you stop being so anal- retentive and STOP all this foolishness. You're one of only two people on this forum who seem to be offended by people not retitling their threads, and you're screw- ing it up for the rest of us by doing this. Worst idea in FFL history, conceived of by someone too lazy to read posts unless they are in threads he can keep track of, and so focused on having things his way that he's oblivious to the far greater problems he's causing. STOP, already.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Header Topics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Agreed. This topic heading editor bullshit is total fucking idiocy. It screws up the archives, How specifically does updating the topic of a post header screw up the archives? It screws up the archives by making posts authored by numerous individuals all show up as being made by the ffl_topic_heading_editor and if one participates via email, it doesn't do a damn thing Isn't a new thread with the updated topic created in e-mail? Yes, and it's a duplicate of the post that showed up in email. One can still reply to the original post in email or on the website if one gets to it before you do. So, in order to make this idiotic new scheme work, we need two more rules: 1. participation on FFL must be made via the web interface, and 2. replying to posts is forbidden until the ffl_topic_heading_editor has had a chance to edit any topic headings that need editing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
Then you failed in your job. You should have been taking a bunch of us to Valhalla. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Fascinating about your early childhood. And after your dress-up as a child, you've remained a Brunnhilde ever since, a true warrior, FFL's own Valkyrie! I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. (I.e., How can I use this as another putdown of Judy and my other enemies?) There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. Whether it's being a liar or a predator or a Republican or a Nazi or a rakshasa or the Axis of Evil or the American Satan, Or Valkyries. Barry, do you *genuinely* not realize that you're one of us?? You're *constantly* railing against this, that, or the other purported evil and its purported perpetrators. Dig yourself. You're doing it *right now*. Ho to, sings the Valkyrie, horned hat firmly in place and spear aloft, It's Ho-jo-to-ho (jo is pronounced yo), and it's a winged helmet, not a horned hat: http://www.mavarts.com/images/2004update/sculpts/Valkyrie.jpg http://member.hitel.net/~wcpark/Images/Valkyrie.JPG (In any case, the Valkyries' role isn't to run around denouncing evil but rather to ride into battle and scoop up dead warriors to take to Valhalla.) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
I did not say that the experience I was recounting was cult-like. I characterized is as another experience. More than one historian has pointed out the cult-like characteristics of German fascism. Here, for example, is a brief passage from Das Schwarze Reich (The Black Empire, 1997) by E. R. Carmin: The whole thing really no longer had anything to do with political conventions: they were cult-fests, magical rituals, in which the real character of the religion behind National Socialism revealed itself (translation mine). feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would call that callous and unfeeling rather than cult-like. But I do want to comment that cult-like is a more accurate description of some aspects of campus life and thought than fascist or Nazi, two terms you have frequently used up to now, which seem wildly inappropriate to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Rick. There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. When I returned from China, I lived on campus for a time, renting a room in Utopia Park. My friend (and landlady) and I learned that a woman in her late fifties who had worked for decades as a secretary to a high movement official had lost her job (no fault of her own) and was homeless, literally sleeping in the woods. My friend and I looked at each other and we both said, That is really wrong. And although we were already crowded (three in that 2-bedroom trailer), we invited this woman to stay with us. When the administration somehow learned of this, they told us that we could not do this, and if we continued, my friend would be evicted from her home. There were many empty trailers at the time, and it seems that, rather than allow them to remain empty, one of them could have been used temporarily to house this former secretary who had worked long hours for almost no pay for many years. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Peter wrote: No, Doug died several years ago I believe from that odd form of cancer that several TMers got. I think it was cancer of the bile duct. Didn't Skip Alexander die from the same thing? Liver cancer--not sure about Skip. Supposedly Jim Karpen got some very serious form of cancer from faulty wiring in the frat he was living in. Fortunately he survived. From faulty wiring?? How do you get cancer from faulty wiring? I suspect ths is a FF urban myth. Remember that warning from Vlodrop back in February about avoiding electromagnetic radiation?
[FairfieldLife] Type of Yoga (was Chopra's )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going on 30-year memory here, but I remember a tape by MMY from TTC in which he addressed what type of yoga TM was. He said that, in a sense, we could call TM raja yoga because raja denotes royalty and, like a king who does nothing yet has everything done for him, TM's effortlessness rallies nature to do everything for it. But I also remember him saying that if we were to call TM any type of yoga, we would call it karma yoga because it is a yoga of action with rest as the basis of activity and that dynamic rest being the period TM twice daily. Again, this is all from memory and could be off...anyone else remember the tape I am referring to? At Squaw Valley, MMY went through a list of different yogas. I don't recall the lecture verbatim, but I think he equated TM with raja yoga. Also possibly Lia ? (sp) yoga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. Yes, the TMmovement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi and everyone else should leave as Bevan has said it and evidently sees it. Bevan's a Maharishi-man and Maharishi has him there in his image. It has been a long relationship. It is just the way it went in to its cults of personality. Bevan abandoning that stage in that German Raja clip, slipping through the curtain without comment? Unblemished? Link to Time article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1684582,00.htm U-tube David Lynch Bevan Hagelin tour with the German Raja, http://nosedef.blogspot.com/
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
Can I add racist to your self-loathing list? In case you hadn't noticed, people of color have a nice little history of hacking each other to pieces everywhere on this globe. When people take over land they need to do something with the people who were there before. Most civilizations dealt with this by killing them all off. Extermination was an official written policy of the British. So we tried putting them on shitty unsustainable reservations and it was cruel. The option, which is what the Indians themselves practiced, was to kill off the people we beat in war. Painting American Indians as noble savages only works on people who haven't read about their own bloody history. We also tried to force them into our language and culture in schools who kidnapped children. They were not run as extermination camps as has been suggested. It was a clumsy attempt to integrate them. Then we let them run casinos and some tribes are doing better while others are sunk in poverty. This is not a simple problem with a simple solution. In case you haven't noticed Africans are continuing to do a nice job of mass murder. Asians, Nanking wasn't so long ago. Your outrage about people killing for land misses the point. In some parts of the world people are killing for survival, for water, for food. So I reject your racism Edg. It is human nature that you are railing against. Humans being humans. We are tribal and we kill other tribes. It has nothing to do with the pigment of our skin. For a short historical period, white cultures have dominated. Now races are intermarrying at such a pace that the skin tone distinctions, already bogus when it comes to racial division with so much genetic mixing, will become as irrelevant as the paper bag test of African Americans. Hate speech against white people is no more noble than any other version of hate speech. Fantasy glorification of people with more melanin in their skin doesn't reduce racism, it perpetuates it. We are all humans, and if we want to go against our genetic predisposition for the powerful to exploit the weak, we should start with a little more insight and honesty than White people, bad, brown people good simplistic reductionism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. That's an average of 70,000 Native Americans killed per year. That includes the first year, the year 1620, and even 1944 when Native Americans were still imprisoned in reservations and children kidnapped from their screaming mothers was de rigor. The imprisonment means bad food, bad water, bad everything, and the stress alone will kill most folks in about half a normal human lifetimeto the tune of about, yep, 70,000 Native Americans dying this year too due to WHITE TORTURING. But it bores us now, so we kill rag heads now instead of redskins. Why was this done by WHITES? To get the Native Americans' land and all the riches therein. Killed for land. Killed for fucking land. If I suddenly awoke from a dream about being a white guy and found myself to be a Native American today, I'd be a terrorist instantly -- what other response could anyone have to a holocaust's perpetrators? Systematically, bureaucratically, and consciously, thousands upon thousands of heavily armed evil WHITE men planned the end of a civilization that was at least 10,000 years in the making. Do you think those kind of WHITE MEN aren't still doing this anywhere, anytime, anyway that they please RIGHT FUCKING NOW? Even if not a single Native American had been killed, the taking of one child from one parent is evil enough to condemn the whole of western morality from 1492 to, well, at least January 2009, right? White invaders of North America have killed, raped, tortured, and maimed with a cruelty that would impress, say, even that Nazi researcher who was testing to see at what level of pain a MOTHER would sustain before she was so stressed/crazy that she'd opt for HER CHILD to immediately get that pain instead of her. I shudder to think that I was trained from birth to ignore and deny this utterly black nature in all of us. How easily it comes out -- even here at FFL -- I'm now labeled a homosexual, pot smoking, smarmy charlatan, egoic crusader who cannot get an erection by those who cannot face their own morality regarding what they've done as individuals to perpetuate this system of elitist predation. Better that my voicing my angst is stifled by ad hominems than that anyone rolls up their sleeves and starts cleaning out the muck of feral murderous elitist license from their hearts. I was called a cunt, and not a women here bothered to puke on the sexist bastard -- cuz why bother? This bastard lives in such vile mental puke on a regular basis that any woman here can recognize a lost cause that's not worth
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
About 99% of all indigenous people on the land that is now the United States died not because of genocide by the newly-arrived Europeans but due to disease resulting from interaction with Europeans because said indigenous people did not have the antibodies to resist said disease. And please note: although there was at least one recorded instance of Europeans purposely distributing small-pox laden blankets to Indians for the purpose of killing them, the above described deaths due to disease was not purposeful; indeed, the European spreaders of the disease were not even aware that they had done so. You know, a whole lot of fucking and intermingling went on between the European newcomers and the indigenous population of the New World. This couldn't have occurred to the high degree that it did if all that Europeans were intent on doing was murdering them. For the most part, they lived in harmony with each other. And the numbers speak for themselves: if you discount the immigrants (and their descendents) to the U.S. since about 1880 (when Indians were, for the most part, already segregated on living on reserves) more than 25% of non-Indians have some Indian blood in them. Indeed, let's ask: of those who read this forum who are old-stock Americans, do you have any Indian blood? Of my close circle of friends, more than a third have Indian blood. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. That's an average of 70,000 Native Americans killed per year. That includes the first year, the year 1620, and even 1944 when Native Americans were still imprisoned in reservations and children kidnapped from their screaming mothers was de rigor. The imprisonment means bad food, bad water, bad everything, and the stress alone will kill most folks in about half a normal human lifetimeto the tune of about, yep, 70,000 Native Americans dying this year too due to WHITE TORTURING. But it bores us now, so we kill rag heads now instead of redskins. Why was this done by WHITES? To get the Native Americans' land and all the riches therein. Killed for land. Killed for fucking land. If I suddenly awoke from a dream about being a white guy and found myself to be a Native American today, I'd be a terrorist instantly - - what other response could anyone have to a holocaust's perpetrators? Systematically, bureaucratically, and consciously, thousands upon thousands of heavily armed evil WHITE men planned the end of a civilization that was at least 10,000 years in the making. Do you think those kind of WHITE MEN aren't still doing this anywhere, anytime, anyway that they please RIGHT FUCKING NOW? Even if not a single Native American had been killed, the taking of one child from one parent is evil enough to condemn the whole of western morality from 1492 to, well, at least January 2009, right? White invaders of North America have killed, raped, tortured, and maimed with a cruelty that would impress, say, even that Nazi researcher who was testing to see at what level of pain a MOTHER would sustain before she was so stressed/crazy that she'd opt for HER CHILD to immediately get that pain instead of her. I shudder to think that I was trained from birth to ignore and deny this utterly black nature in all of us. How easily it comes out -- even here at FFL -- I'm now labeled a homosexual, pot smoking, smarmy charlatan, egoic crusader who cannot get an erection by those who cannot face their own morality regarding what they've done as individuals to perpetuate this system of elitist predation. Better that my voicing my angst is stifled by ad hominems than that anyone rolls up their sleeves and starts cleaning out the muck of feral murderous elitist license from their hearts. I was called a cunt, and not a women here bothered to puke on the sexist bastard -- cuz why bother? This bastard lives in such vile mental puke on a regular basis that any woman here can recognize a lost cause that's not worth the energy it would take to whup the pissant. So you can program a computer. So you can play a guitar. This is your basis of your elitist pride? This is your logic for why you can, you know, get ahead in life, by finding an angle and exploiting it. An angle that most non-white folks will never have. You'll be making money that buys slave made goods while children drink from foul ditches. And, you'll sleep so well tonight, won't you!! I was raised in the public schools and never heard a word about the cruel streak in each of our souls -- not in elementary, middle, high, college -- no history book I ever was required to read had the least mention of the depth of the evil of the WHITE mindset behind the Native American Holocaust. Not one. I had to obtain this knowledge, catch as catch can, starting
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
On Nov 18, 2007, at 11:43 AM, ffl_topic_heading_editor wrote: Give the process several weeks. If it is not useful, it can be abandoned. After this initial resettting of topic headings, I anticipate that this will not be needed any more than 2-5 times a week. And tapering down from there -- as people begin to change their topic headings naturally, as it becomes habit. JOOC, is this new morning here? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Type of Yoga (was Chopra's )
On Nov 18, 2007, at 12:16 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going on 30-year memory here, but I remember a tape by MMY from TTC in which he addressed what type of yoga TM was. He said that, in a sense, we could call TM raja yoga because raja denotes royalty and, like a king who does nothing yet has everything done for him, TM's effortlessness rallies nature to do everything for it. But I also remember him saying that if we were to call TM any type of yoga, we would call it karma yoga because it is a yoga of action with rest as the basis of activity and that dynamic rest being the period TM twice daily. Again, this is all from memory and could be off...anyone else remember the tape I am referring to? At Squaw Valley, MMY went through a list of different yogas. I don't recall the lecture verbatim, but I think he equated TM with raja yoga. Which of course it's not, but it's interesting to hear he attempted to co-opt that (very beautiful) path. TM is just, non-variant basic, plain-Jane mantra yoga. Also possibly Lia ? (sp) yoga. Laya-yoga. Laya-yoga is a path that had died centuries ago according to several Hindu yogins I've known, but has been re-written about since the British colonial era. Now that it has been written about, some are claiming to teach it. From what I know again about laya-yoga, it ain't anything remotely like TM, which (again) is very plain-Jane in comparison.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Header Topics
Another issue is there are some members who I have on permanent block because I do not want to read their 35-45 posts (soon to be 50-60 posts) per month. Now, I am going to be force-fed these members' posts due to their being posted by another member. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Agreed. This topic heading editor bullshit is total fucking idiocy. It screws up the archives, How specifically does updating the topic of a post header screw up the archives? It screws up the archives by making posts authored by numerous individuals all show up as being made by the ffl_topic_heading_editor and if one participates via email, it doesn't do a damn thing Isn't a new thread with the updated topic created in e-mail? Yes, and it's a duplicate of the post that showed up in email. One can still reply to the original post in email or on the website if one gets to it before you do. So, in order to make this idiotic new scheme work, we need two more rules: 1. participation on FFL must be made via the web interface, and 2. replying to posts is forbidden until the ffl_topic_heading_editor has had a chance to edit any topic headings that need editing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Peter wrote: No, Doug died several years ago I believe from that odd form of cancer that several TMers got. I think it was cancer of the bile duct. Didn't Skip Alexander die from the same thing? Liver cancer--not sure about Skip. Supposedly Jim Karpen got some very serious form of cancer from faulty wiring in the frat he was living in. Fortunately he survived. From faulty wiring?? How do you get cancer from faulty wiring? I suspect ths is a FF urban myth. Sure sounds like it. There is an old style of romex wiring that had an asbestos sheath on the outside, but the asbestos doesn't break free unless the sheath is physically disturbed. Sitting inside a wall, not being moved, the asbestos stays put. And, it could very well be that that wire was no longer in use when the frats were built.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip But to help you out, Judy, by my count you're at 33 posts for the week already, after less than a day of posting. Several other people are already close to fouling out for the week, too, in less than a day. And some say we don't need posting limits. Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Ooopsie, really bad timing on that one, Barry. Some of us here enjoy interacting with others on the forum, as opposed to posting sermons or little pieces of Creative Writing while avoiding real engagement with the other members. Here here. (that means 'good point' in pompous british speak) Although I think your use of the word Creative in Creative Writing in this context, is a bit of an exaggeration. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty)
On Nov 18, 2007, at 11:15 AM, authfriend wrote: From faulty wiring?? How do you get cancer from faulty wiring? I suspect ths is a FF urban myth. Remember that warning from Vlodrop back in February about avoiding electromagnetic radiation? I agree, Judy, it does have a certain voodoo aspect to it :). But when I first heard it it seemed to make some sense. Supposedly he was sleeping on a mattress on the floor, right above some faulty wiring, which they then fixed afterwards. I don't know any more than that. Perhaps Jim will check in here and give his views. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you're screw- ing it up for the rest of us by doing this. Can you be specific and precise of how updating topic headers is screwing things up? If there are explicit problems, they probably can be fixed. If your concern is simply about change, perhaps this will pass. Most all changes in FFL have been met with strong anticipation that the change will be horrible. And within several weeks, almost everyone was universally acclaiming it as a great thing. Take the 35 post per week limit as an example. Give the process several weeks. If it is not useful, it can be abandoned. After this initial resettting of topic headings, I anticipate that this will not be needed any more than 2-5 times a week. And tapering down from there -- as people begin to change their topic headings naturally, as it becomes habit. Worst idea in FFL history, conceived of by someone too lazy to read posts unless they are in threads he can keep track of, and so focused on having things his way that he's oblivious to the far greater problems he's causing. STOP, already.
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american. I read an article in the New Yorker a few years ago which suggested that the reason Native Americans (in both North and South America) died from diseases in such massive numbers when Europeans invaded was because Native Americans didn't have a livestock-raising culture (cows, chickens, etc.). Europeans, Africans, and Asians DID have a livestock-raising culture and, as such, over many centuries, built up and developed disease-resistance to the kinds of inter-species strains that flowed from animals to humans as a result of humans being in close proximity to many animals kept in captivity (for example it is postulated that the vast majority of flu's come from one area of China where there is large-scale chicken farms). That's why when the European invaders conquered other parts of Europe and Africa and Asia there never resulted the kinds of decimations of populations which occured in the Americas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Header Topics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor ffl_topic_heading_editor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Agreed. This topic heading editor bullshit is total fucking idiocy. It screws up the archives, How specifically does updating the topic of a post header screw up the archives? It screws up the archives by making posts authored by numerous individuals all show up as being made by the ffl_topic_heading_editor It is 8 posts thus far. And I anticipate it will be five or less a week after this initial resetting of topic headings. Five out of 4-500 posts a week does not seem to be either numerous or capable of screwing things up. And over time, the updating of will be infrequent or none at all as posters naturally get in the habit of updating their topic headings. and if one participates via email, it doesn't do a damn thing Isn't a new thread with the updated topic created in e-mail? Yes, and it's a duplicate of the post that showed up in email. One can still reply to the original post in email or on the website if one gets to it before you do. Yes, that can occur. Still, the process will tend to reduce out of date topics. Substantially in my estimate. Lets see over two weeks if it does so. If not, the effort can be abandoned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL On Topic Headings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. There is no deleting of archives. Copies of the posts are re-posted using a an on-topic header. In come cases, massive excess remainders of many prior posts are snipped -- as posters should be doing themselves. For the record, if the snipping is done by someone who wasn't participating in the thread, they aren't necessarily going to realize what context is important and what isn't and may inadvertently snip remainders of prior posts that were actually necessary to follow the discussion. How much and what to snip is a judgment call; it isn't cut and dried. The person appointed to do this should be very generous about what they leave in from past posts until everybody has learned to do a better job of snipping for their own posts. You (the topic heading cop) might try this: Instead of doing the snipping yourself, put a notice in the new post that it needs snipping, and let whoever responds to the post do it. (Oddly enough, some of those who have been most vocal about how stupid we all are when it comes to starting new threads and how experienced they are with posting etiquette are the very worst of the non-snipping offenders. I'm looking at you, Bhairitu.) Plus, it's difficult enough to follow threads from an email address without this kind of anal nonsense going on. Placing on-topic headings on threads does not make it more difficult to follow threads. And the old thread is referenced in the title. Sure it's more difficult, even with the old thread title in the new one, if you want to go back to the old thread to see how it developed. You lose a lot of the continuity. What you're going to end up with, if people follow this plan, is a tremendous increase in the number of different threads with far fewer posts in each. It's all going to become very fragmented. And by the way, on the Web site, at least, this thread title appears at the top of the post above the actual post window: Doug Henning and Vegas (was Poverty) And the reference list at the bottom includes the posts from the Doug Henning thread. So in this case a new thread wasn't started; it was just a change of title. Changing titles doesn't disconnect the new thread from the old one. Somebody needs to post full instructions on how to start a new thread that isn't connected to the thread it has branched off of, because it takes some extra work. Here's how I do it: I Reply to the post in old thread. Then before typing anything into the Reply window, I copy (Ctrl-C) what's in the Reply window (i.e., the text of the post I want to respond to, complete with attributions and quote prefixes) to the clipboard and Cancel the reply. (Note that in Windows, with the cursor in the Reply window, if you right-click you'll get a context menu including the option Select All. If you click that, everything in the window is selected without your having to select it manually with the mouse.) Next I click Start Topic and Move (Ctrl-V) or paste what's on the clipboard into the new blank window and type in a new Subject, followed by a (was: reference to the old thread title. Finally, I type in my response and Send it. It's a pain in the butt, frankly, but it's the only way to disconnect the new thread from the old one. But I can make post heading transitions clearer by: 1) Placing the full reference of the prior heading the text. 2) Placing the posters name at the top of the post so its visible from without opening the post. 3) Keeping a tally of the authors of transitioned posts so they can add this to their weekly count.
[FairfieldLife] Text: Why David Lynch Should Learn German...
Text: Why David Lynch Should Learn German David Lynch is no stranger to weird confluences. But the U.S. filmmaker, known for such works as Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks, failed to anticipate the reception his latest project got in Germany this week. Lynch, whose new-age beliefs are sometimes as quirky as his movies, is touring Europe to help establish a network of so- called invincible universities to teach the philosophy of transcendental meditation. The idea is to engender world peace. But at a meeting this week at a culture center in Berlin, Lynch triggered a less than peaceful exchange with German onlookers when Emanuel Schiffgens, his partner for establishing such a university in the German capital, suddenly veered into dangerous waters. We want an invincible Germany! intoned Schiffgens, the self-styled Raja of Germany. The flap those words created, with their echoes of the Third Reich, reveals both the deadly seriousness with which Germans view their wartime past and the gulf separating Lynch's new- age agenda from that of some hard-bitten Berliners with a more historical mind-set. What do you mean by this concept of invincibility, asked an onlooker from the audience, made up mainly of film students with a smattering of meditation devotees. An invincible Germany is a Germany that's invincible, replied a Delphic Schiffgens, who was dressed in a long white robe and gold crown. Adolf Hitler wanted that too!, shouted out one man. Yes, countered Schiffgens. But unfortunately he didn't succeed. At that the crowd began shouting epithets at the speaker: You are a charlatan! This is bad theater! Lynch, who does not speak German, looked on in incomprehension. The director was in Berlin attempting to buy a large swath of land on a hill known as Teufelsberg, or Devil's Mountain, on the city's outskirts. The hill is made up of some 12 million cubic meters of rubble cleared away after Berlin was destroyed in World War II; the site was later used as a U.S. listening post during the Cold War. Lynch and Schiffgens are followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who founded the concept of transcendental meditation. Schiffgens says that with Lynch's help he plans to build a gleaming new university on Teufelsberg in order to provide knowledge to students but also give them the chance to be enlightened. The university would form part of a network of similar institutions in Austria, France and elsewhere. Shortly after Lynch laid a foundation stone this week, however, a senior official in the regional government told German radio that it had not granted permission for construction of the university on Teufelsberg and possibly never would. A manager at the Berlin culture center where Lynch and Schiffgens spoke conceded that the flap did not reflect well on his center. It's all a bit embarrassing, he said. Near the end of the meeting, Schiffgens tried to explain his use of language to a restive crowd: Invincible means no more negativity. No more enmity. We want to make Germany invincible so they cannot defeat you! Lynch, who by this time had availed himself of a translator, then stood up and took the microphone: You all have a history and Raja Emanuel has triggered some things. I would say, 'Deal with it.' Have it out with Raja Emanuel. But he's a great human being. The American director, a bit of a cult figure himself in Europe, regretted that the real message of transcendental meditation, which he calls an ancient eternal knowledge verified by Western science, was being lost in the furor. Mankind was not made to suffer, he said. We are all one. Bliss is our nature ... But somehow tonight this beautiful gift has gotten perverted. Let's march boldly toward a bright and shining future! The strangeness of the whole affair was not lost on film students in the audience, one of whom caught it on film . At the very least, the evening was suitably Lynchian: disturbing but good theater nonetheless. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1684582,00.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Gotta say one thing about you Bob, at least you're not afraid to sometimes share a truth. :-) On Nov 15, 2007, at 6:39 PM, bob_brigante wrote: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1684582,00.htm ** Well, Lynch did do better in Austria (probably because it's Hitler's birthplace): http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=11949928643703442 Just wait... the Global Good News site will probably spin the Berlin fiasco by saying something like, In Berlin, Raja Emanuel spoke before an excited audience.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:12 PM, authfriend wrote: There are family photos of me sitting on a pillow astride the piano bench en costume, waving my spear and shouting Ho-jo-to-ho! I wore the costume to a Halloween party that year and was just crushed when nobody knew who I was. Ok, I'll make you a deal: your photo in your Halloween costume for my c. 1963 costume posted in the photo section. Any other takers? What year are we talking here? I would hope your parents would've known it would've been unrecognizable to almost anyone. Unless they were really lacking in social skills of course. But it sounds like you had a good time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not say that the experience I was recounting was cult-like. I characterized is as another experience. Yes, you did. You said exactly that. I quote you: There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. Odd that you try to deny your own words when they are right there in front of you. More than one historian has pointed out the cult-like characteristics of German fascism. Here, for example, is a brief passage from Das Schwarze Reich (The Black Empire, 1997) by E. R. Carmin: The whole thing really no longer had anything to do with political conventions: they were cult-fests, magical rituals, in which the real character of the religion behind National Socialism revealed itself (translation mine). feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would call that callous and unfeeling rather than cult-like. But I do want to comment that cult-like is a more accurate description of some aspects of campus life and thought than fascist or Nazi, two terms you have frequently used up to now, which seem wildly inappropriate to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Thanks, Rick. There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. When I returned from China, I lived on campus for a time, renting a room in Utopia Park. My friend (and landlady) and I learned that a woman in her late fifties who had worked for decades as a secretary to a high movement official had lost her job (no fault of her own) and was homeless, literally sleeping in the woods. My friend and I looked at each other and we both said, That is really wrong. And although we were already crowded (three in that 2-bedroom trailer), we invited this woman to stay with us. When the administration somehow learned of this, they told us that we could not do this, and if we continued, my friend would be evicted from her home. There were many empty trailers at the time, and it seems that, rather than allow them to remain empty, one of them could have been used temporarily to house this former secretary who had worked long hours for almost no pay for many years. a Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007, at 11:43 AM, ffl_topic_heading_editor wrote: Give the process several weeks. If it is not useful, it can be abandoned. After this initial resettting of topic headings, I anticipate that this will not be needed any more than 2-5 times a week. And tapering down from there -- as people begin to change their topic headings naturally, as it becomes habit. JOOC, is this new morning here? Without a doubt. Bharitu is the only other person to feel oppressed because people don't title their threads the way he wants them to, and I don't see him being enough like Edg to take things into his own hands and try to impose his shit on others. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. Inadvertently, it should be noted. This is different from the later infamous smallpox-blankets incident. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american. 1491, by Charles Mann. Fascinating book. Here's its Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/ys4dbc It got terrific reviews, but the author's thesis isn't noncontroversial by any means. (Minor quibble: decimate technically means to cut down *by* 1/10th, not *to* 1/10th. But the term is frequently used in the generic sense of a vast reduction.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
On Nov 18, 2007, at 12:22 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Without a doubt. Bharitu is the only other person to feel oppressed because people don't title their threads the way he wants them to, and I don't see him being enough like Edg to take things into his own hands and try to impose his shit on others. :-) I agree, this is not a great idea. Besides, thread titles do change, just not fast enough for some, I guess. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
I've been meaning to ask this question of the group. I saw a video recently (within the last four years) of Maharishi, Bevan, and Hagelin. Marshy was asking the two of them questions, and they answered as best they could, but Marshy evidently was not satisfied with their answers. So he asked again, and they essentially repeated what they'd said earlier, and so far as I could tell, they were both adhering strictly to party line and wording. Marshy continued grilling them--it's the only word for it, making them both look like fools and himself like a cynical, disappointed old man. Has anyone else seen that video? dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. Yes, the TMmovement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi and everyone else should leave as Bevan has said it and evidently sees it. Bevan's a Maharishi-man and Maharishi has him there in his image. It has been a long relationship. It is just the way it went in to its cults of personality. Bevan abandoning that stage in that German Raja clip, slipping through the curtain without comment? Unblemished? Link to Time article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1684582,00.htm U-tube David Lynch Bevan Hagelin tour with the German Raja, http://nosedef.blogspot.com/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. Inadvertently, it should be noted. This is different from the later infamous smallpox-blankets incident. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american. 1491, by Charles Mann. Fascinating book. Here's its Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/ys4dbc It got terrific reviews, I read it. It is jaw-dropping. A must read, IMO. but the author's thesis isn't noncontroversial by any means. Correct. It is not a consensus view. But there is a large body of academic work supporting the thesis from a variety of disciplines. (This is not some new-age speculative trip). From what I understand, yonnger academics, without a vested interest in past theories, tend to support the view. Older ones tend to resist it. (Minor quibble: decimate technically means to cut down *by* 1/10th, not *to* 1/10th. But the term is frequently used in the generic sense of a vast reduction.) You are probably correct. I swear I read a piece once that the original word meant to cut to 1/10. But upon search, I find only the by 1/10th definition. So I may have read, and remeber, a bogus article.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip But to help you out, Judy, by my count you're at 33 posts for the week already, after less than a day of posting. Several other people are already close to fouling out for the week, too, in less than a day. And some say we don't need posting limits. Have fun with your last two posts. Those of us with some semblance of control will try to have fun without you. See you next Saturday. Ooopsie, really bad timing on that one, Barry. Some of us here enjoy interacting with others on the forum, as opposed to posting sermons or little pieces of Creative Writing while avoiding real engagement with the other members. Here here. (that means 'good point' in pompous british speak) Thanks. But it's spelled Hear, hear! Short for Hear him, hear him! In other words, Listen up! Here, here! is a chiding expression, roughly equivalent to Now, WAIT a minute! Although I think your use of the word Creative in Creative Writing in this context, is a bit of an exaggeration. That's why I capitalized it. Bit of sarcasm, don'cha know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here here. (that means 'good point' in pompous british speak) Actually, I think it's hear, hear, if one wishes to be truly pompous :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you failed in your job. You should have been taking a bunch of us to Valhalla. Only when we're truly dead. Many of us appear to be resisting that. It's only natural to see Death as the ultimate Demon to be feared, resisted, denied, trivialized, and ignored. I mean utter death, not death of the body or subtle body but my I-ness lives on denial. But I've never yet met a Demon that can be conquered by running away from it or denying it. The only way to escape the Crone is by complete surrender, by intercourse with Her -- that's the way to sovereignty. Support of Nature without utter surrender to Nature is half-baked tyranny and yet another ego-fantasy. It's interesting to see how universal the spiritual advice is that we can't really live until we have died. Until we *know* and accept utter futility -- utter meaninglessness, utter sameness, utter evanescence, utter emptiness, utter Nothingness -- our so-called spiritual path and progress is just play-acting: avoidance mechanisms, addictions to palliate and ignore the Here and Now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Post Counts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: and you're screw- ing it up for the rest of us by doing this. Can you be specific and precise of how updating topic headers is screwing things up? If there are explicit problems, they probably can be fixed. 1. It causes double copies of all fixed posts to those who read on email. They're going to get the original post, and then your fixed post. 2. It destroys any record that a person might use on this forum to keep track of how many posts they might have made. 3. It won't help a bit. The only thing this is about is your (whoever you are) need to try to force people to act the way you want them to act.
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
One of the cool things about where I live (California Lost Coast) is how the native populations here in the Northwest were last on the list to be assailed by the Americans. Consequently, their cultures are much more intact, even though, of course, they've been tremendously impacted. Just Friday, I had a client in my office, a young Hupa man, and he was asking about some photographs I have on a bulletin board of yagyas being performed on the Ganges and in some Kanchi temples, and he commented with obvious pride about how his tribe (and the others in this area) have strong ritual customs, too. Earlier this year I had a case where my client was charged with possession of controlled substances for sale because of all this peyote he had (both growing buttons and jars of liquid). At the preliminary hearing we were able to assert the affirmative defense of his membership within the Native American Church (the Supreme Court has ruled that the ceremonial and religious use of peyote by indigineous peoples is constitutionally protected). It was such a treat to listen to my client testify about his participation in the ceremonies of the church and his clear and deeply held beliefs re peyote. The deputy D.A., who was prosecuting the case, was trying her best to discredit my guy and cast his case as simple (and sordid) drug dealing but the guy was so clear and so real that her attempts to sully him looked foolish. We're still waiting for the judge to sign the order for the return of his property; the law enforcement agency that still has possession is fighing to destroy all the peyote rather than return it; these guys hate to return what they can only see as drugs. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
Alles ist in ordnung. You see, already changes in titles has caused Rory to confuse this thread with the Germany invincibility thread! --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. This topic heading editor bullshit is total fucking idiocy. It screws up the archives, and if one participates via email, it doesn't do a damn thing except make posts appear twice. Papiere, bitte! Alles ist in ordnung. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
Marek, The sanctity of symbols. Eating a peyote button to one person is a sacred soma portal into cosmic love. To another, it's a mind destroying immoral use of chemicals. Both parties worship the sanctity of their POVs. But the elitist must impose his POV on all even if it takes killing children. I know I've deeply concerned your great heart, Makek, what with my obsessions here, so thanks for this posting -- such a real life example of righteousness overwhelms the paltry insignificance of my fire and brimstone rantings to a congregation of devastated FFL souls. I'm already being called a racist against whites when whites are merely my handy symbol for elitists. I don't hate white people, I is one. I am an elitist to the core too. Got a ton of stuff from Walmart -- prima facie -- convict me of elitism. But I do try to at least lip service the scouring of our souls of this elitism -- especially in the forms that I've employed in my life as I predated my way through six decades. These forms I know. I can see these in the psychologies of many easily. I'm not projecting this upon whites alone, believe me. And it's not merely a projection. I may be seeing only my own failings out there, but, despite any lack of clarity I may have about my sublimations, there actually is an elitist dynamic in most personalities as formed by most cultures that is lauded, nurtured, and imbued into the minds of toddlers. You're such a smart kid! What a sweety pie. You're going to go far. Translation: you got a good brain, now go out there and beat the dummies at any game -- take the money and run. Don't look back. Don't look back and see the world of Smoke Signals, for instance (http://tinyurl.com/3dz9qw) where innocents drive cars backwards and young men find their inner warriors, and poets whisper walk in moccasins. What a lovely lovely film. What blazing heart values. In the worst hovels, this love survives despite all travail. I am so humbled by smiling people dressed in rags. That's a good fight you're doing there, Marek. Keep us informed. Meanwhile, Rick, give Marek unlimited posting rights in perpetuity for his small part in resisting elitism. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the cool things about where I live (California Lost Coast) is how the native populations here in the Northwest were last on the list to be assailed by the Americans. Consequently, their cultures are much more intact, even though, of course, they've been tremendously impacted. Just Friday, I had a client in my office, a young Hupa man, and he was asking about some photographs I have on a bulletin board of yagyas being performed on the Ganges and in some Kanchi temples, and he commented with obvious pride about how his tribe (and the others in this area) have strong ritual customs, too. Earlier this year I had a case where my client was charged with possession of controlled substances for sale because of all this peyote he had (both growing buttons and jars of liquid). At the preliminary hearing we were able to assert the affirmative defense of his membership within the Native American Church (the Supreme Court has ruled that the ceremonial and religious use of peyote by indigineous peoples is constitutionally protected). It was such a treat to listen to my client testify about his participation in the ceremonies of the church and his clear and deeply held beliefs re peyote. The deputy D.A., who was prosecuting the case, was trying her best to discredit my guy and cast his case as simple (and sordid) drug dealing but the guy was so clear and so real that her attempts to sully him looked foolish. We're still waiting for the judge to sign the order for the return of his property; the law enforcement agency that still has possession is fighing to destroy all the peyote rather than return it; these guys hate to return what they can only see as drugs. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk to Russel Means about that and a number of other Indian leaders. Or go online and Google Canadian Holocaust and the Reverend Kevin Annett. Mass graves were found in Canada. I'm telling you, I researched this very thoroughly and checked my data in a variety of sources. We were making a documentary, and we were insistent on responsible reportage. a I'll read up about the Canadian schools online, thanks for the references. I haven't seen anything yet that proposes that US Indian schools were run as extermination camps. But in this kind of total control situation I would accept incidents of sex abuse as almost a given. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I add racist to your self-loathing list? In case you hadn't noticed, people of color have a nice little history of hacking each other to pieces everywhere on this globe. When people take over land they need to do something with the people who were there before. Most civilizations dealt with this by killing them all off. Extermination was an official written policy of the British. So we tried putting them on shitty unsustainable reservations and it was cruel. The option, which is what the Indians themselves practiced, was to kill off the people we beat in war. Painting American Indians as noble savages only works on people who haven't read about their own bloody history. We also tried to force them into our language and culture in schools who kidnapped children. They were not run as extermination camps as has been suggested. It was a clumsy attempt to integrate them. Then we let them run casinos and some tribes are doing better while others are sunk in poverty. This is not a simple problem with a simple solution. In case you haven't noticed Africans are continuing to do a nice job of mass murder. Asians, Nanking wasn't so long ago. Your outrage about people killing for land misses the point. In some parts of the world people are killing for survival, for water, for food. So I reject your racism Edg. It is human nature that you are railing against. Humans being humans. We are tribal and we kill other tribes. It has nothing to do with the pigment of our skin. For a short historical period, white cultures have dominated. Now races are intermarrying at such a pace that the skin tone distinctions, already bogus when it comes to racial division with so much genetic mixing, will become as irrelevant as the paper bag test of African Americans. Hate speech against white people is no more noble than any other version of hate speech. Fantasy glorification of people with more melanin in their skin doesn't reduce racism, it perpetuates it. We are all humans, and if we want to go against our genetic predisposition for the powerful to exploit the weak, we should start with a little more insight and honesty than White people, bad, brown people good simplistic reductionism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. That's an average of 70,000 Native Americans killed per year. That includes the first year, the year 1620, and even 1944 when Native Americans were still imprisoned in reservations and children kidnapped from their screaming mothers was de rigor. The imprisonment means bad food, bad water, bad everything, and the stress alone will kill most folks in about half a normal human lifetimeto the tune of about, yep, 70,000 Native Americans dying this year too due to WHITE TORTURING. But it bores us now, so we kill rag heads now instead of redskins. Why was this done by WHITES? To get the Native Americans' land and all the riches therein. Killed for land. Killed for fucking land. If I suddenly awoke from a dream about being a white guy and found myself to be a Native American today, I'd be a terrorist instantly -- what other response could anyone have to a holocaust's perpetrators? Systematically, bureaucratically, and consciously, thousands upon thousands of heavily armed evil WHITE men planned the end of a civilization that was at least 10,000 years in the making. Do you think those kind of WHITE MEN aren't still doing this anywhere, anytime, anyway that they please RIGHT FUCKING NOW? Even if not a single Native American had been killed, the taking of one child from one parent is evil enough to condemn the whole of western morality from 1492 to, well, at least January 2009, right? White invaders of North America have killed, raped, tortured, and maimed with a cruelty that would impress, say, even that Nazi researcher who was testing to see at what level of pain a MOTHER would
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL On Topic Headings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl_topic_heading_editor ffl_topic_heading_editor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Is this person then deleting the original posts? Yes. This is the only we know of to start a new thread in the system if the author does not. This is a mistake. You should not be deleting valuable archives. There is no deleting of archives. Copies of the posts are re-posted using a an on-topic header. In come cases, massive excess remainders of many prior posts are snipped -- as posters should be doing themselves. For the record, if the snipping is done by someone who wasn't participating in the thread, they aren't necessarily going to realize what context is important and what isn't and may inadvertently snip remainders of prior posts that were actually necessary to follow the discussion. That is correct. Snipping of threads where comments are interwoven is probably not a good idea. On on of your threads, with interwoven comments, I did try to snip out what seemed to be very old parts of a very long post. I may have goofed and snipped to much. In the future, I will only snip excessively long non-interwoven posts. Thanks for your point. How much and what to snip is a judgment call; it isn't cut and dried. The person appointed to do this should be very generous about what they leave in from past posts until everybody has learned to do a better job of snipping for their own posts. You (the topic heading cop) might try this: Instead of doing the snipping yourself, put a notice in the new post that it needs snipping, and let whoever responds to the post do it. Yes, I think this is a good idea. Though Rick has tried this in the past, encouraging people to snip, but with little response. Lets try this. I will send out a private e-mail to those sending excessively i) long unsnipped posts, and ii) substantially mis-titled headings, requesting they correct the problem themselves. I will snip and re-title only when the poster choses to waive (actively or passively) their ability to do so themselves. And again, if after two weeks, this process is too disruptive, it can be abandoned. Placing on-topic headings on threads does not make it more difficult to follow threads. And the old thread is referenced in the title. Sure it's more difficult, even with the old thread title in the new one, if you want to go back to the old thread to see how it developed. You lose a lot of the continuity. A change in the access to older threads also occurs, naturally, if and when people change a thread topic. Its the natural course of things when topics change, threads do also (when people take the time to do so). And being a new topic, its my experience that there is little development material in the older past thread. However, it is still quite easy to look that up. The older thread is fully referenced in the re-titled thread. What you're going to end up with, if people follow this plan, is a tremendous increase in the number of different threads with far fewer posts in each. It's all going to become very fragmented. Thats quite an exaggeration. I anticipate five or less topic heading changes per week, and less over time. The process you go through is the same one that I an using. So it should change the thread title at all levels. I will investigate to see if and why it may not be doing so. So in this case a new thread wasn't started; it was just a change of title. Changing titles doesn't disconnect the new thread from the old one. Somebody needs to post full instructions on how to start a new thread that isn't connected to the thread it has branched off of, because it takes some extra work. Here's how I do it: I Reply to the post in old thread. Then before typing anything into the Reply window, I copy (Ctrl-C) what's in the Reply window (i.e., the text of the post I want to respond to, complete with attributions and quote prefixes) to the clipboard and Cancel the reply. (Note that in Windows, with the cursor in the Reply window, if you right-click you'll get a context menu including the option Select All. If you click that, everything in the window is selected without your having to select it manually with the mouse.) Next I click Start Topic and Move (Ctrl-V) or paste what's on the clipboard into the new blank window and type in a new Subject, followed by a (was: reference to the old thread title. Finally, I type in my response and Send it. It's a pain in the butt, frankly, but it's the only way to disconnect the new thread from the old one. But I can make post heading transitions clearer by: 1) Placing the full reference of the prior heading the text. 2) Placing the posters name at the top of the post so its
[FairfieldLife] Re: Updating Header Topics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another issue is there are some members who I have on permanent block because I do not want to read their 35-45 posts (soon to be 50-60 posts) per month. Now, I am going to be force-fed these members' posts due to their being posted by another member. There should only be 5 or less topic changes a week. And these will be easily identified by the ffl_topic_heading_editor. Why do you think you will be force-fed 60 extra posts per excluded poster per month? Perhaps you are misunderstanding the simple and relatively inobtrusive process of updating heading topics. Why don't you wait for two weeks and see if you are actually being greatly inconvenienced. I think you will find your fears unfounded.
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
Marek, This is really fascinating. You must be in hog heaven with this case! I thought that Indians had fairly recently lost this right in court so I will be interested to hear about how this turns out. For one single tax dollar to go towards keeping Indians from eating peyote, or keeping Rastafarians from smoking weed makes me crazy. I am interested in your thoughts about what states you think they are accessing with Peyote. If it makes more sense please answer off line. You are doing God's work here...wait a second the atheist oversight committee just handed me a paper...OK, got it... you are doing great work here! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the cool things about where I live (California Lost Coast) is how the native populations here in the Northwest were last on the list to be assailed by the Americans. Consequently, their cultures are much more intact, even though, of course, they've been tremendously impacted. Just Friday, I had a client in my office, a young Hupa man, and he was asking about some photographs I have on a bulletin board of yagyas being performed on the Ganges and in some Kanchi temples, and he commented with obvious pride about how his tribe (and the others in this area) have strong ritual customs, too. Earlier this year I had a case where my client was charged with possession of controlled substances for sale because of all this peyote he had (both growing buttons and jars of liquid). At the preliminary hearing we were able to assert the affirmative defense of his membership within the Native American Church (the Supreme Court has ruled that the ceremonial and religious use of peyote by indigineous peoples is constitutionally protected). It was such a treat to listen to my client testify about his participation in the ceremonies of the church and his clear and deeply held beliefs re peyote. The deputy D.A., who was prosecuting the case, was trying her best to discredit my guy and cast his case as simple (and sordid) drug dealing but the guy was so clear and so real that her attempts to sully him looked foolish. We're still waiting for the judge to sign the order for the return of his property; the law enforcement agency that still has possession is fighing to destroy all the peyote rather than return it; these guys hate to return what they can only see as drugs. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British rule in N. America - An SAR Mbr.
prospective Unfortunately he can NOT @ present trace his family ancestors. Not in any way that its needed or desired. There are several Henges in the UK as well Europe all that old as well. The same knowledge was well defuses thorough out much of the world. My ancestors created such a very excellent block so very nice most all want to now live on it as well. The ideas of those English ancestors, with the common laws rule of laws is now one of the standards for or as a civilizing mark for the present world. It may well last till another Vedic civilization super seeds it as happened here for too much of N. America. Or the terra people as we all are, meets greets our brothers's in consciousness form the galixy. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is FFL_Topic_Heading_Editor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alles ist in ordnung. You see, already changes in titles has caused Rory to confuse this thread with the Germany invincibility thread! You're right. Things are still *far* too confusing and out of kontrolle. To macht things truly in ordnung, wir mussen find a way to make dem posts appearen in triplikat!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
Talk to Russel Means about that and a number of other Indian leaders. Or go online and Google Canadian Holocaust and the Reverend Kevin Annett. Mass graves were found in Canada. I'm telling you, I researched this very thoroughly and checked my data in a variety of sources. We were making a documentary, and we were insistent on responsible reportage. a curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I add racist to your self-loathing list? In case you hadn't noticed, people of color have a nice little history of hacking each other to pieces everywhere on this globe. When people take over land they need to do something with the people who were there before. Most civilizations dealt with this by killing them all off. Extermination was an official written policy of the British. So we tried putting them on shitty unsustainable reservations and it was cruel. The option, which is what the Indians themselves practiced, was to kill off the people we beat in war. Painting American Indians as noble savages only works on people who haven't read about their own bloody history. We also tried to force them into our language and culture in schools who kidnapped children. They were not run as extermination camps as has been suggested. It was a clumsy attempt to integrate them. Then we let them run casinos and some tribes are doing better while others are sunk in poverty. This is not a simple problem with a simple solution. In case you haven't noticed Africans are continuing to do a nice job of mass murder. Asians, Nanking wasn't so long ago. Your outrage about people killing for land misses the point. In some parts of the world people are killing for survival, for water, for food. So I reject your racism Edg. It is human nature that you are railing against. Humans being humans. We are tribal and we kill other tribes. It has nothing to do with the pigment of our skin. For a short historical period, white cultures have dominated. Now races are intermarrying at such a pace that the skin tone distinctions, already bogus when it comes to racial division with so much genetic mixing, will become as irrelevant as the paper bag test of African Americans. Hate speech against white people is no more noble than any other version of hate speech. Fantasy glorification of people with more melanin in their skin doesn't reduce racism, it perpetuates it. We are all humans, and if we want to go against our genetic predisposition for the powerful to exploit the weak, we should start with a little more insight and honesty than White people, bad, brown people good simplistic reductionism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. That's an average of 70,000 Native Americans killed per year. That includes the first year, the year 1620, and even 1944 when Native Americans were still imprisoned in reservations and children kidnapped from their screaming mothers was de rigor. The imprisonment means bad food, bad water, bad everything, and the stress alone will kill most folks in about half a normal human lifetimeto the tune of about, yep, 70,000 Native Americans dying this year too due to WHITE TORTURING. But it bores us now, so we kill rag heads now instead of redskins. Why was this done by WHITES? To get the Native Americans' land and all the riches therein. Killed for land. Killed for fucking land. If I suddenly awoke from a dream about being a white guy and found myself to be a Native American today, I'd be a terrorist instantly -- what other response could anyone have to a holocaust's perpetrators? Systematically, bureaucratically, and consciously, thousands upon thousands of heavily armed evil WHITE men planned the end of a civilization that was at least 10,000 years in the making. Do you think those kind of WHITE MEN aren't still doing this anywhere, anytime, anyway that they please RIGHT FUCKING NOW? Even if not a single Native American had been killed, the taking of one child from one parent is evil enough to condemn the whole of western morality from 1492 to, well, at least January 2009, right? White invaders of North America have killed, raped, tortured, and maimed with a cruelty that would impress, say, even that Nazi researcher who was testing to see at what level of pain a MOTHER would sustain before she was so stressed/crazy that she'd opt for HER CHILD to immediately get that pain instead of her. I shudder to think that I was trained from birth to ignore and deny this utterly black nature in all of us. How easily it comes out -- even here at FFL -- I'm now labeled a homosexual, pot smoking, smarmy charlatan, egoic crusader who cannot get an erection by those who cannot face their own
[FairfieldLife] Elitism (Re: American Poverty in the News again)
1491, by Charles Mann. Fascinating book. Here's its Amazon page: Thanks, I just put it on hold at the library. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: 40,000,000 Native Americans GONE GONE GONE in 565 years of genocide by WHITE PEOPLE. Actually, a lot of the research in the last 20 years points towards massive deaths, up to 90% of the native population, prior to Jamestown -- from disease for which the native americans had virtually no resistance -- spread from earlier traders. Inadvertently, it should be noted. This is different from the later infamous smallpox-blankets incident. This along with growing evidence that the native populations in 1491 (the name of a great book on the topic) were far larger than those in europe at the time, and in many regards more sophisticated. And these sophisticate populations spanned both Americas. If the native population had not literally been decimated (cut down to 1/10th)prior to the arrival of the first major settlements, then white dominance probably would never have occurred. And America would / could today be predominantly native american. 1491, by Charles Mann. Fascinating book. Here's its Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/ys4dbc It got terrific reviews, I read it. It is jaw-dropping. A must read, IMO. but the author's thesis isn't noncontroversial by any means. Correct. It is not a consensus view. But there is a large body of academic work supporting the thesis from a variety of disciplines. (This is not some new-age speculative trip). From what I understand, yonnger academics, without a vested interest in past theories, tend to support the view. Older ones tend to resist it. (Minor quibble: decimate technically means to cut down *by* 1/10th, not *to* 1/10th. But the term is frequently used in the generic sense of a vast reduction.) You are probably correct. I swear I read a piece once that the original word meant to cut to 1/10. But upon search, I find only the by 1/10th definition. So I may have read, and remeber, a bogus article.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
I agree that it is odd and I apologize, pleading terminal senility. feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not say that the experience I was recounting was cult-like. I characterized is as another experience. Yes, you did. You said exactly that. I quote you: There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. Odd that you try to deny your own words when they are right there in front of you. More than one historian has pointed out the cult-like characteristics of German fascism. Here, for example, is a brief passage from Das Schwarze Reich (The Black Empire, 1997) by E. R. Carmin: The whole thing really no longer had anything to do with political conventions: they were cult-fests, magical rituals, in which the real character of the religion behind National Socialism revealed itself (translation mine). feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would call that callous and unfeeling rather than cult-like. But I do want to comment that cult-like is a more accurate description of some aspects of campus life and thought than fascist or Nazi, two terms you have frequently used up to now, which seem wildly inappropriate to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Thanks, Rick. There's another experience I have with the campus that seems cult-like to me. When I returned from China, I lived on campus for a time, renting a room in Utopia Park. My friend (and landlady) and I learned that a woman in her late fifties who had worked for decades as a secretary to a high movement official had lost her job (no fault of her own) and was homeless, literally sleeping in the woods. My friend and I looked at each other and we both said, That is really wrong. And although we were already crowded (three in that 2-bedroom trailer), we invited this woman to stay with us. When the administration somehow learned of this, they told us that we could not do this, and if we continued, my friend would be evicted from her home. There were many empty trailers at the time, and it seems that, rather than allow them to remain empty, one of them could have been used temporarily to house this former secretary who had worked long hours for almost no pay for many years. a Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great. Most of them are still good friends ten years later. But the administration and some (though by no means all) colleagues were---well, cult members. Later, as I said in another post, I was called as a consultant when the ESL department couldn't get Chinese grad students in computer science competent in English. Again, my experience was that the atmosphere was repressive---not on the part of the people who'd called me in, but the administrators involved acted like cult members. I want to emphasize again that this is not true of many faculty members I have met. But I have also met many good teachers who left the university b ecause of the kind of cult-like repression I've observed. Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop Publishing) I agree with you, and would add that Bevan, who ultimately runs the university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He intimidates and fires faculty who get too independent in their thinking, and either appoints repressive people to administrative positions or makes otherwise nice people play by his rules. There's also the universal principle that control freaks tend to gravitate to administrative positions and experience ego-bloating once they get there. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
