[FairfieldLife] Re: More Shankara-dig-vijaya: "...as lightly as a bundle of cotton."

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> (72-77) Having thus humbled the pride of the Buddhists,
> the Brahmana sage [Skanda as Kumarila Bhatta] now began
> to expound the meanings of the Vedic Mantras in order
> to enlighten [Indra as] king Sudhanvan. The king thereupon
> said, "In wordy controversies, success and failure depend
> only on the learning of the respective parties. It does
> not really prove the truth of the thesis. I can accept
> the religion of that party as true, who can jump down
> unhurt from the top of yonder mountain."
> At these words of the king, all the scholars merely stood
> aghast looking at each other, unable to take up the 
> challenge of the ordeal. But the Brahmana sage, with his
> mind concentrated on the Veda, ascended the mountain top,
> and declared: "If the Veda is the true scripture, my body
> shall not be hurt by this ordeal." With this mighty declaration,
> the sage jumped down from the mountain top, as the spectators
> shouted in wonder of the sight: "Oh! Is it king Yayati
> coming down from heaven on the expiry of the merits his
> grandson had transferred to him!" That best of Brahmanas
> now touched the earth as lightly as a bundle of cotton.
> Is it any wonder that the Veda protects one with whole-
> hearted faith in it?

A wonderful teaching.  I feel that the world
would definitely be a better place if religious 
fanatics, those who are caught up in the "My way 
is the best" game, undertook a similar test and 
proved their "best" claim by leaping from the 
top of the nearest mountain.







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[FairfieldLife] More Shankara-dig-vijaya: "...as lightly as a bundle of cotton."

2005-10-06 Thread cardemaister

(72-77) Having thus humbled the pride of the Buddhists,
the Brahmana sage [Skanda as Kumarila Bhatta] now began
to expound the meanings of the Vedic Mantras in order
to enlighten [Indra as] king Sudhanvan. The king thereupon
said, "In wordy controversies, success and failure depend
only on the learning of the respective parties. It does
not really prove the truth of the thesis. I can accept
the religion of that party as true, who can jump down
unhurt from the top of yonder mountain."
At these words of the king, all the scholars merely stood
aghast looking at each other, unable to take up the 
challenge of the ordeal. But the Brahmana sage, with his
mind concentrated on the Veda, ascended the mountain top,
and declared: "If the Veda is the true scripture, my body
shall not be hurt by this ordeal." With this mighty declaration,
the sage jumped down from the mountain top, as the spectators
shouted in wonder of the sight: "Oh! Is it king Yayati
coming down from heaven on the expiry of the merits his
grandson had transferred to him!" That best of Brahmanas
now touched the earth as lightly as a bundle of cotton.
Is it any wonder that the Veda protects one with whole-
hearted faith in it?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:
> > > 
> > > "Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."
> > 
> > i enjoyed the take on boredom by Trugpa Rinpoche.
> > the Zen tradition also has some interesting views.
> > 
> > boredom can be considered as the reaction of the
> > (so-called) mind to unfulfilled expectations.
> > 
> > wearing away of boredom by long periods of sitting
> > is certainly not effortless TM.
> > 
> > IMO,i notice that people who have completed a few sesshin
> > have a calmness and degree of patience missing in long-term
> > TMers.
> 
> That being said, there are some things that are just plain boring.

"'The best thing for being sad,' replied Merlin, 
beginning to puff and blow, 'is to learn something. 
That is the only thing that never fails. You may 
grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may 
lie awake at night listening to the disorder of 
your veins, you may miss your only love, you may 
see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, 
or know your honor trampled in the sewers of baser 
minds. There is only one thing for it then--to learn. 
Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is 
the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, 
never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear 
or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning 
is the thing for you. Look at what a lot of things 
there are to learn--pure science, the only purity 
there is. You can learn astronomy in a lifetime, 
natural history in three, literature in six. And 
then, after you have exhausted a million lifetimes 
in biology and medicine and theocriticism and 
geography and history and economics, why then you 
can start to make a cartwheel out of the appropriate 
wood or spend fifty years learning to being to 
learn to beat your adversary at fencing. After 
that you can start again on mathematics until it 
is time to learn to plough.'" 

Merlin, in "The Once and Future King," by T.H. White







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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 10/6/05 5:18 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 1st para, "It's now official.."?
> > 
> > Well, that's what MMY said.
> 
> MMY - forever stretching one's concept of what enlightenment is.

Indeed.  The definition gains more weight every day.


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
> >>> 
> >>> It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of 
World
> >>> Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is 
capable
> >>> of answering any question as well as handling any task.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Volunteers Needed Chet Helms Tribal Stomp GGPark SF Oct 30

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
Furry Huggers?  :-)

Nice gesture.  If I lived in the area, I'd volunteer.
Chet was a really sweet guy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Volunteers Needed Chet Helms Tribal Stomp GGPark Oct 30
> 
> San Francisco
> 
> Hippies and non Hippies use side door and sign up to volunteer with 
us
> on Chet's memorial Tribal Stomp in Golden Gate Park, Oct 30th, 2005.
> We're celebrating Chet leaving the planet in the best way he knows 
how,
> a big party in the park. There will be food fun, legends, laughter,
> people and things of all colors. Family Dog needs wants you and 
needs
> you.
> 
> We need folks for:
> Food
> Flags
> Production
> Security
> Skate board ramp
> Clean up
> Helping the public
> Helping the disavantaged
> Decoration
> Folks in costume
> Furry Huggers
> Backstage hospitality
> and probably lots of other stuff.
> 
> The music artist list is more than full so please don't ask me to 
submit
> your band. I'm really sorry but we just can't fit any more on the 
stage
> including many folks who should be there.
> 
> Photographers and videographers, please sign onto the list, you are
> welcome to shoot but we would like copies for the archives and 
releases
> for a commemorative DVD.
> 
> Please help spread the word and send this message to everyone you 
know,
> especially all those who loved Chet.
> 
> I have created a tribe for easier group communication and 
commemorative
> community archive, please sign in there and the folks you need to
> contact will join us soon
> 
> http://tribes.tribe.net/chethelmstribalstomp  <<< sign up here, 
please
> don't email me, ok loverlies 
> 
> 
> 
> Produced by 2B1 MultiMedia and Family Dog
> 
> Thanks and muchly love
> 
> Deborah Paulino
> 
> gigdirectory.net
> 
> 
> gigdirectory.net | gigslist.org | Deborah Paulino | Fax 1 415 869 
5349 |
> Post Mail 1621 Haight St. PMB 9, San Francisco, California, 94117, 
USA
>






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[FairfieldLife] Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan: BBC

2005-10-06 Thread gullible fool

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/ts_alt_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051006214432

LONDON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush
allegedly said God told him to invade Iraq and
Afghanistan, a new BBC documentary will reveal,
according to details. 
 
Bush made the claim when he met Palestinian leader
Mahmud Abbas and then foreign minister Nabil Shaath in
June 2003, the ministers told the documentary series
to be broadcast in Britain later this month.

The US leader also told them he had been ordered by
God to create a Palestinian state, the ministers said.

Shaath, now the Palestinian information minister,
said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven
with a mission from God.

'God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those
terrorists in Afghanistan'.'

"And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go
and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go
get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis
their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And
by God I'm gonna do it'," said Shaath.

Abbas, who was also at the meeting in the Egyptian
resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, recalled how the president
told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation.

"So I will get you a Palestinian state."

A BBC spokesman said the content of the programme had
been put to the White House but it had refused to
comment on a private conversation.

The three-part series, "Elusive Peace: Israel and
the Arabs", charts the attempts to bring peace to the
Middle East, from former US president Bill
Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's
withdrawal from the Gaza strip.

The programme speaks to presidents and prime
ministers, their generals and ministers, about what
happened behind closed doors as the peace talks failed
and the intifada grew.

The series is due to be screened in Britain on October
10, 17 and 24.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/6/05 5:18 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> 1st para, "It's now official.."?
> 
> Well, that's what MMY said.

MMY - forever stretching one's concept of what enlightenment is.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
>>> 
>>> It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
>>> Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
>>> of answering any question as well as handling any task.





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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread peterklutz

1st para, "It's now official.."?

Well, that's what MMY said. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
> > 
> > It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
> > Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
> > of answering any question as well as handling any task.
> > 
> > The back log at www.mou.org is currently two weeks, so those who
> > missed it might have to wait until Oct 20th to feel the waves of bliss
> > of hearing the news.
> 
> That being the case, can you clarify what you meant in the first
paragraph?
> > 
> > What's that voice I hear? Is it Peter Klutz saying 'told you so' ..?
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > JGD
> > JGDM
> > and (since yesterday)
> > JGDBM
> > 

-- mercy snip --





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread martyboi
This is also my experience, though I wouldn't play one of his tapes at
a partya slumber party perhaps!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find Eckhart very settling and centering - not boring. He just kind of
> shifts you into the space he's in.
> 
> 
> on 10/6/05 12:02 PM, martyboi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:
> > 
> > "Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> Have you ever actually listened to the Eckhart Tolle tape/cd. Man,
> >> talk about BOING. Is it supposed to induce a total trance?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> >> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
> >>> Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
> >>> made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron
were
> >>> on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
> >>> presentation he said " I have told you what to do and Byron
Katie has
> >>> told you how to do it". Seems like a pretty good endorsement to me.
> >> Tom T




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:
> > 
> > "Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."
> 
> i enjoyed the take on boredom by Trugpa Rinpoche.
> the Zen tradition also has some interesting views.
> 
> boredom can be considered as the reaction of the
> (so-called) mind to unfulfilled expectations.
> 
> wearing away of boredom by long periods of sitting
> is certainly not effortless TM.
> 
> IMO,i notice that people who have completed a few sesshin
> have a calmness and degree of patience missing in long-term
> TMers.

That being said, there are some things that are just plain boring.





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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
> 
> It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
> Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
> of answering any question as well as handling any task.
> 
> The back log at www.mou.org is currently two weeks, so those who
> missed it might have to wait until Oct 20th to feel the waves of 
bliss
> of hearing the news.

Two replays per day?

http://www.maharishi.fi/kuvia/mou-aikataulu.htm

(Finnish time)


> 
> What's that voice I hear? Is it Peter Klutz saying 'told you so' ..?
> 
> :-)
> 
> JGD
> JGDM
> and (since yesterday) 
> JGDBM
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > One one of the website, I found an e-mail
> > > > address to send questions
> > > > > > for the weekly news conferences and expressed my
> > > > concern on a number
> > > > > > of issues in the form of questions. Of course he
> > > > wasn't going to
> > > > > > publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their
> > > > licentious behavior in
> > > > > > public or in private. Especially as it seems to
> > > > be Hagelin who chooses
> > > > > > what gets asked.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What licentious behavior and why do you care?
> > > > 
> > > > Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because
> > > > of the unbelievable
> > > > pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he
> > > > arrogantly enforces
> > > > policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is
> > > > immune from the
> > > > basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the
> > > > wives of others
> > > > alone and stop calling ladies into your office and
> > > > propositioning them.
> > > 
> > > While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not
> > > support it in the least, the ladies can say no.
> > > 
> > 
> > Part of my point. Another is that we're not talking about MMY's 
> > purported affairs with worshipful secretaries, but more mundane 
(at 
> > least in MY mind) affairs between more or less co-equal people. 
> > Unless Bevan is hitting on HIS secretaries, or Hagelin is hitting 
on 
> > his students, their behavior shows normal human weakness.
> > 
> > Mind you, I've been burned badly enough by other 
people's "boorish 
> > behavior" that I've stayed out of the dating game for over 10 
years. 
> > There are few women I trust, and even fewer men. On the other 
hand, 
> > I'm not completely innocent of boorish behavior myself.
> > 
> > He who is without sin, grab that rock, and all that.




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[FairfieldLife] Volunteers Needed Chet Helms Tribal Stomp GGPark SF Oct 30

2005-10-06 Thread gig
Volunteers Needed Chet Helms Tribal Stomp GGPark Oct 30

San Francisco

Hippies and non Hippies use side door and sign up to volunteer with us
on Chet's memorial Tribal Stomp in Golden Gate Park, Oct 30th, 2005.
We're celebrating Chet leaving the planet in the best way he knows how,
a big party in the park. There will be food fun, legends, laughter,
people and things of all colors. Family Dog needs wants you and needs
you.

We need folks for:
Food
Flags
Production
Security
Skate board ramp
Clean up
Helping the public
Helping the disavantaged
Decoration
Folks in costume
Furry Huggers
Backstage hospitality
and probably lots of other stuff.

The music artist list is more than full so please don't ask me to submit
your band. I'm really sorry but we just can't fit any more on the stage
including many folks who should be there.

Photographers and videographers, please sign onto the list, you are
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from
> Maharishi
> > > The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations
> and
> > > the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds.
> 
> How is it a "gift" when financed by those who are supposedly the
recipients?
> 
> Is this the profundity of it?
> 
> Kali Yuga shining brightly, huh?
> 
> Stupid ignorant people.

It's the 'spiritual' equivalent to PC (politically correct) speech.
Neither mean what they say. Helps to widen the gap between name and form. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/6/05 2:33 PM, brahmachari108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from
> Maharishi
>>> The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations
> and
>>> the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds.

Ah yes, a risk-free investment because they are backed by the Raam,
according to Bennie Feldman.
> 
> How is it a "gift" when financed by those who are supposedly the recipients?
> 
> Is this the profundity of it?
> 
> Kali Yuga shining brightly, huh?
> 
> Stupid ignorant people.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?
> 
> It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
> Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
> of answering any question as well as handling any task.
> 
> The back log at www.mou.org is currently two weeks, so those who
> missed it might have to wait until Oct 20th to feel the waves of bliss
> of hearing the news.

That being the case, can you clarify what you meant in the first paragraph?
> 
> What's that voice I hear? Is it Peter Klutz saying 'told you so' ..?
> 
> :-)
> 
> JGD
> JGDM
> and (since yesterday)
> JGDBM
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [...]
>> One one of the website, I found an e-mail
 address to send questions
>> for the weekly news conferences and expressed my
 concern on a number
>> of issues in the form of questions. Of course he
 wasn't going to
>> publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their
 licentious behavior in
>> public or in private. Especially as it seems to
 be Hagelin who chooses
>> what gets asked.
> 
> What licentious behavior and why do you care?
 
 Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because
 of the unbelievable
 pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he
 arrogantly enforces
 policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is
 immune from the
 basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the
 wives of others
 alone and stop calling ladies into your office and
 propositioning them.
>>> 
>>> While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not
>>> support it in the least, the ladies can say no.
>>> 
>> 
>> Part of my point. Another is that we're not talking about MMY's
>> purported affairs with worshipful secretaries, but more mundane (at
>> least in MY mind) affairs between more or less co-equal people.
>> Unless Bevan is hitting on HIS secretaries, or Hagelin is hitting on
>> his students, their behavior shows normal human weakness.
>> 
>> Mind you, I've been burned badly enough by other people's "boorish
>> behavior" that I've stayed out of the dating game for over 10 years.
>> There are few women I trust, and even fewer men. On the other hand,
>> I'm not completely innocent of boorish behavior myself.
>> 
>> He who is without sin, grab that rock, and all that.
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[FairfieldLife] Lynch at Brown U

2005-10-06 Thread bbrigante
"It made for a, well, Lynchian scene when David Lynch, the force 
behind such dark works as Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive, touted the 
power of transcendental meditation (TM) to a packed Brown University 
audience on Sunday, October 2, clad in a rumpled black-and-white suit-
and-tie ensemble while three associates, including John Hagelin, a 
Harvard-trained quantum physicist, were turned out in understated 
beige. The auteur, who recently created the David Lynch Foundation for 
Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace 
(www.davidlynchfoundation.org), faced a few tough questions — 
including one about the merits of ontologically privileging 
transcendentalism over other states of consciousness — but mostly 
charmed the crowd with his humor, Midwestern twang, and enthusiasm for 
TM."

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I wonder what the banks will do with these white
> elephants when all the $'s are gone?

**

I'm pretty sure, although no mention has been made of financing the 
Fairfield Peace Palaces, is that some local rajas/richfolks are 
paying out of pocket for their contruction, so bank loans are not 
going to be part of the picture.


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> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Sure to be a major hit with the six TB couples left
> > in FF.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 5Oct2005 MUM Review
> > > 
> > > http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2
> > > 
> > > Construction of Maharishi Peace Palaces to Begin
> > > 
> > > Campus residents will soon see the start of
> > construction of two 
> > > Maharishi Peace Palaces (one for men and one for
> > ladies) on the west 
> > > side of Highway 1 south of the Gate Ridge Court
> > office building.
> > > 
> > > Each Maharishi Peace Palace will be 12,000 square
> > feet, built 
> > > according to principles of Maharishi Vedic
> > Architecture and situated 
> > > on three acres of land, with celebration grounds
> > in front of the 
> > > building. They will have a white marble exterior.
> > The construction 
> > > will be done in phases over the next six months.
> > > 
> > > "The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be a proper home
> > for the pure 
> > > knowledge so generously given to us for the past
> > 50 years by 
> > > Maharishi," said Alexandria DeVasier, director of
> > the ladies' 
> > > Maharishi Peace Palace for Fairfield. "We will
> > offer over 50 
> > > programs, courses, services, and products in the
> > new buildings." 
> > > These will include MAPI products, books, a day
> > spa, residence course 
> > > rooms, and more.
> > > 
> > >  "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound
> > gift from Maharishi 
> > > that will preserve the legacy of the knowledge of
> > enlightenment and 
> > > perfect health for all generations to come," Ms.
> > DeVasier 
> > > said. "Establishing Maharishi Peace Palaces in
> > Fairfield and 
> > > Maharishi Vedic City will bring a wave of
> > coherence to change the 
> > > negative trends throughout the United States."
> > > 
> > >  The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed
> > through donations and 
> > > the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds. To
> > buy World Peace 
> > > Bonds, please call (641) 472-1174.
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > So a married couple who wants to hear an intro
> > lecture on TM, the 
> > > husband goes to one place, wifey the other?
> > Residence courses, etc, 
> > > ditto?
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] yet more Lynch tour

2005-10-06 Thread bbrigante
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from
> Maharishi
> > > The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations
> and
> > > the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds.
> 
> How is it a "gift" when financed by those who are supposedly the
> recipients?

Self-reference.




> 
> Is this the profundity of it?
> 
> Kali Yuga shining brightly, huh?
> 
> Stupid ignorant people.




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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor.. (was Re: A scolding for Maharishi...)

2005-10-06 Thread peterklutz

Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference?

It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World
Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable
of answering any question as well as handling any task.

The back log at www.mou.org is currently two weeks, so those who
missed it might have to wait until Oct 20th to feel the waves of bliss
of hearing the news.

What's that voice I hear? Is it Peter Klutz saying 'told you so' ..?

:-)

JGD
JGDM
and (since yesterday) 
JGDBM


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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > 
> > 
> > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > [...]
> > > > > One one of the website, I found an e-mail
> > > address to send questions
> > > > > for the weekly news conferences and expressed my
> > > concern on a number
> > > > > of issues in the form of questions. Of course he
> > > wasn't going to
> > > > > publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their
> > > licentious behavior in
> > > > > public or in private. Especially as it seems to
> > > be Hagelin who chooses
> > > > > what gets asked.
> > > > 
> > > > What licentious behavior and why do you care?
> > > 
> > > Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because
> > > of the unbelievable
> > > pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he
> > > arrogantly enforces
> > > policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is
> > > immune from the
> > > basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the
> > > wives of others
> > > alone and stop calling ladies into your office and
> > > propositioning them.
> > 
> > While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not
> > support it in the least, the ladies can say no.
> > 
> 
> Part of my point. Another is that we're not talking about MMY's 
> purported affairs with worshipful secretaries, but more mundane (at 
> least in MY mind) affairs between more or less co-equal people. 
> Unless Bevan is hitting on HIS secretaries, or Hagelin is hitting on 
> his students, their behavior shows normal human weakness.
> 
> Mind you, I've been burned badly enough by other people's "boorish 
> behavior" that I've stayed out of the dating game for over 10 years. 
> There are few women I trust, and even fewer men. On the other hand, 
> I'm not completely innocent of boorish behavior myself.
> 
> He who is without sin, grab that rock, and all that.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread brahmachari108
> > "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from
Maharishi
> > The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations
and
> > the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds.

How is it a "gift" when financed by those who are supposedly the recipients?

Is this the profundity of it?

Kali Yuga shining brightly, huh?

Stupid ignorant people.








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[FairfieldLife] On Buddha and other Avataras of Lord Vishnu

2005-10-06 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Vishnu Incarnations

(Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji's speech on 3-9-96)
Compiled and translated by Sri H.V.Prasad

The incarnations of Vishnu are countless. Ten of them are popular. But 21 are 
very special. 
In each of these, Vishnu Tattva has spread. Krishna Avatara was the greatest. . 
Imagine 
two small boys playing on the beach. One of them builds a sand castle. The 
other too 
builds a rival castle. They build as if they are emperors. They take happiness 
from that 
activity. Seeing them, the parents feel very happy. The father calls them and 
asks them to 
go home. Then these boys destroy what they have built. This also they do 
happily. They do 
that so that other boys cannot derive pleasure from their labor. What they have 
done, they 
finish it. The boy who had built a rival castle was planning to take over the 
other's castle 
after his leaving. He is disheartened that the castle was destroyed by its 
creator. He is 
disheartened as if his labors were wasted. Who was right and who was wrong? Is 
the first 
boy who built and destroyed so that the other boy could not enjoy his castle, 
right? Or the 
other boy who was planning to take over the first boy's castle and was 
disheartened when 
the first boy destroyed his castle before his departure? Give me your answer 
tommorow. 
There are three characters here. Who is the third? Is it God? No. It is the 
father, who 
encouraged his son to build a sand castle and enjoyed his son's labors. Of the 
21 
incarnations, some are important. The same God is in me and makes me speak. The 
same 
God is in you all and makes you hear my words. I speak because you hear and you 
hear 
because I speak. You are here out of Love for Swamiji. And Swamiji is here 
because you all 
have Love for him. The same God has brought us together. In this case, God is 
the first 
boy, I am the second and you all are the third boy. 

The first incarnation took place at the beginning of Krita Yuga. That is at the 
Sandhi Kaala. 
The begining of a day is very important. The intellect is in a special 
condition then( from 
4.30 to 6 AM). The second important time is when the sun is at the top, i.e., 
noon. In the 
evening the sunset time is also important. Our body is a temple and requires 
special 
treatment. Special treatment does not mean special food. To keep the body in 
good shape 
and to keep the mind sharp, sadhana is necessary. At these three periods of 
time, God 
enters our body. We must be silent and comtemplative at least during those 
times. At least 
for five minutes. Many complain that Swamji does not come in their dreams. To 
them I say, 
'I tried but you were very busy and not prepared to accept my presence'. We 
must think of 
Him so that he comes to us. We must thank him frequently saying "Because of you 
I exist. I 
thank you for keeping me alive till now." 

In the Yuga Antara time Manvantara was giving Arghya in a river and when he 
took a 
palmful of water in his hand, he found a fish in his hand. It requested him to 
care for it. He 
took the fish to his home and as the fish grew day by day, he could not care 
for it. He 
asked why he was growing and why he had come to him? The fish said that in 
seven days, 
a water pralaya (total destruction) would occur. "Take a boat. Saptarshis will 
come. Take 
samples of all living things. I will come and lead you out of this pralaya. A 
demon will steal 
the Vedas and hide them in the sea. I will come and protect the Vedas." 

A demon stole the Vedas. Then Hayagreeva came and rescued the Vedas. God came 
in the 
form of a fish and sustained the creation. This is Matsya Avataara. The Pralaya 
occured to 
weed out the wicked and evil souls. 

Next is Kurma Avatara. The incarnation as a tortoise. God came and got Amrita 
for the 
Devatas. The demons were deprived of it. God did it in a very wise manner. 
Feelings are 
important. Scold somebody in a foul temper. He will be hurt. But smilingly 
correcting 
someone will be taken in a light manner. If wisdom and gentleness are there, it 
is not 
enough. The Rakshashas [demons] had strength. So to take Amrita out of the 
ocean, He 
needed the help of the demons [for strength]. Then the Devatas went and 
surrendered to 
the demons. The demons became happy. The Angels served the demons. Right from 
Indra, 
all the angels served. It is said that to get work done, one has to pray evento 
a donkey if 
necessary. After some time passed, the angels submitted a plan to the demons. 
If we 
together, churn the milky ocean, Amrita will come out and by consuming it, we 
all can 
become immortal. They accepted. Mandara mountain was brought and placed in the 
ocean. Since there was no support for the mountain to float, it sank. Then the 
Devatas 
prayed to Vishnu to help them. He took a special incarnation as Kurma, i.e. the 
tortoise. 

When the Lord supported in the form of a tortoise, the mountain floated. 
Vasuki, the 
celestial snake became the churning rope. The mountain became

[FairfieldLife] Devi Navaratri Festival at Avadhoota Datta Peetham in Mysore, India

2005-10-06 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Jaya Guru Datta
Jaya Sri Mata

The following links provide program guide, pictures and other links to the 
Navaratri 
festivities currently taking place at the ashrama of Sri Ganapathi 
Sachchidananda Swamiji.

It is Vaikuntha.

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2005/programme.html

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2005/oct4/oct4.html

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2005/oct5/oct5.html

Enjoy

Sri Guru Datta

Hanuman




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[FairfieldLife] Vasishta on Pseudo-Jnani's...Was Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-06 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Hari Om Tat Sat

>From Yoga Vasishta, VI.2:20,21

O Rama, one should strive to be a jnani (man of wisdom or direct experience) 
and not a 
"jnanabandhu", a pseudo-jnani. 
Who is a pseudo-jnani? 
He who studies the scripture for pleasure or profit like a sculptor studying 
art, and who 
does not live up to the teaching, is a pseudo-jnani. His scriptural knowledge 
is not 
reflected in his daily life. He is more interested in applying scriptural 
knowledge to 
promote his physical welfare and sensual happiness. 
Hence, I regard an ignorant man as superior to the pseudo-jnani. 
Jnana or wisdom is self-knowledge; other forms of knowledge are but its pale 
reflections.

Jaya Guru Deva Datta




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread eptfnj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:
> 
> "Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."

i enjoyed the take on boredom by Trugpa Rinpoche.
the Zen tradition also has some interesting views.

boredom can be considered as the reaction of the
(so-called) mind to unfulfilled expectations.

wearing away of boredom by long periods of sitting
is certainly not effortless TM.

IMO,i notice that people who have completed a few sesshin
have a calmness and degree of patience missing in long-term
TMers. 

















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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/6/05 12:21:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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> I 
  wonder what the banks will do with these white> elephants when all the 
  $'s are gone?Vedic hog 
confinements?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I wonder what the banks will do with these white
> elephants when all the $'s are gone?

Vedic hog confinements?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread Rick Archer
I find Eckhart very settling and centering - not boring. He just kind of
shifts you into the space he's in.


on 10/6/05 12:02 PM, martyboi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:
> 
> "Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Have you ever actually listened to the Eckhart Tolle tape/cd. Man,
>> talk about BOING. Is it supposed to induce a total trance?
>> 
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
>> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
>>> Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
>>> made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron were
>>> on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
>>> presentation he said " I have told you what to do and Byron Katie has
>>> told you how to do it". Seems like a pretty good endorsement to me.
>> Tom T





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-06 Thread martyboi
Well, as my Aunt used to tell me when I was bored:

"Boredom is the sign of an undeveloped mind."



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you ever actually listened to the Eckhart Tolle tape/cd. Man,
> talk about BOING. Is it supposed to induce a total trance?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
> > Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
> > made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron were
> > on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
> > presentation he said " I have told you what to do and Byron Katie has
> > told you how to do it". Seems like a pretty good endorsement to me.
> Tom T




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-06 Thread Peter
I wonder what the banks will do with these white
elephants when all the $'s are gone?

--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sure to be a major hit with the six TB couples left
> in FF.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 5Oct2005 MUM Review
> > 
> > http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2
> > 
> > Construction of Maharishi Peace Palaces to Begin
> > 
> > Campus residents will soon see the start of
> construction of two 
> > Maharishi Peace Palaces (one for men and one for
> ladies) on the west 
> > side of Highway 1 south of the Gate Ridge Court
> office building.
> > 
> > Each Maharishi Peace Palace will be 12,000 square
> feet, built 
> > according to principles of Maharishi Vedic
> Architecture and situated 
> > on three acres of land, with celebration grounds
> in front of the 
> > building. They will have a white marble exterior.
> The construction 
> > will be done in phases over the next six months.
> > 
> > "The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be a proper home
> for the pure 
> > knowledge so generously given to us for the past
> 50 years by 
> > Maharishi," said Alexandria DeVasier, director of
> the ladies' 
> > Maharishi Peace Palace for Fairfield. "We will
> offer over 50 
> > programs, courses, services, and products in the
> new buildings." 
> > These will include MAPI products, books, a day
> spa, residence course 
> > rooms, and more.
> > 
> >  "These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound
> gift from Maharishi 
> > that will preserve the legacy of the knowledge of
> enlightenment and 
> > perfect health for all generations to come," Ms.
> DeVasier 
> > said. "Establishing Maharishi Peace Palaces in
> Fairfield and 
> > Maharishi Vedic City will bring a wave of
> coherence to change the 
> > negative trends throughout the United States."
> > 
> >  The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed
> through donations and 
> > the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds. To
> buy World Peace 
> > Bonds, please call (641) 472-1174.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > So a married couple who wants to hear an intro
> lecture on TM, the 
> > husband goes to one place, wifey the other?
> Residence courses, etc, 
> > ditto?
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: more Lynch tour

2005-10-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Recluse filmmaker David Lynch's East Coast college tour - which 
made 
> a 
> > pit-stop at NYU Thursday to promote transcendental meditation - 
seems 
> > to be yielding positive results from the other schools he's 
visited, 
> > with one university in talks to establish a center for the 
meditation 
> > practice. 
> > 
> > http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/9934.html
> 
> Good for him.  I mean, really.  He's at least doing
> something to inspire people to *meditate*.  IMO that's
> a great deal more important than trying to sell them
> a new house.

Agreed. 

On second thought, which direction was he facing? :^) 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: more Lynch tour

2005-10-06 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recluse filmmaker David Lynch's East Coast college tour - which made 
a 
> pit-stop at NYU Thursday to promote transcendental meditation - seems 
> to be yielding positive results from the other schools he's visited, 
> with one university in talks to establish a center for the meditation 
> practice.  
> http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/9934.html

I suspect that all this effort will be wasted if
Maharishi continues to keep in position his barking 
mad price list. (Unless, of course, there are realistic
concessions for students).
Uns.




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[FairfieldLife] The Argument Clinic (was Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita)

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > > > schemes that you found?
> > > 
> > > No because you just want to start an argument.
> > 
> > And life's too short for that.
> 
> Is not.

A reception desk in a sort of office building.

Receptionist: Yes, sir?

Man: I'd like to have an argument please.

Receptionist: Certainly, sir, have you been here before...?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Do you want to have the full argument, or were 
you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Yes, it's one pound for a five-minute argument, but 
only eight pounds for a course of ten.

Man: Well, I think it's probably best of I start with the one and 
see how it goes from there. OK?

Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment... Mr. Du-
Bakey's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory... Yes, try Mr. 
Barnard -- Room 12.

Man: Thank you.

[...] The man knocks on the door.

Mr Vibrating:(from within) Come in.

The man enters the room. Mr Vibrating is sitting at a desk.

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Mr Vibrating: I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I have.

Man: When?

Mr Vibrating: Just now!

Man: No you didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm telling you I did!

Man: You did not!

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full 
half-hour?

Man: Oh, just a five minute one.

Mr Vibrating: Fine. (makes a note of it; the man sits down) Thank 
you. Anyway I did.

Man: You most certainly did not.

Mr Vibrating: Now, let's get one thing quite clear... I most 
definitely told you!

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!!

Man: Look this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

Man: You did, just then.

Mr Vibrating: No, nonsense!

Man: Oh, look this is futile.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't, you came here for an argument.

Man: Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: It can be.

Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements 
intended to establish a definite proposition.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary 
position.

Man: But it isn't just saying "No it isn't".

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... 
contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other 
person says.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: Not at all.

Man: Now look!

Mr Vibrating:(pressing the bell on his desk) Thank you, good morning.

Man: What?

Mr Vibrating: That's it. Good morning.

Man: But I was just getting interested.

Mr Vibrating: Sorry the five minutes is up.

Man: That was never five minutes just now!

Mr Vibrating: I'm afraid it was.

Man: No it wasn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

Man: What!?

Mr Vibrating: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay 
for another five minutes.

Man: But that was never five minutes just now... oh come on! 
(Vibrating looks round as though man was not there) This is 
ridiculous.

Mr Vibrating: I'm very sorry, but I told you I'm not allowed to 
argue unless you've paid.

Man: Oh. All right. (pays) There you are.

Mr Vibrating: Thank you.

Man: Well?

Mr Vibrating: Well what?

Man: That was never five minutes just now.

Mr Vibrating: I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: I've just paid.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: I did! I did! I did!

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: Look I don't want to argue about that.

Mr Vibrating: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay.

Man: Aha! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing... got you!

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.

Man: Yes I have... if you're arguing I must have paid.

Mr Vibrating: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.

Man: I've had enough of this.

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > > schemes that you found?
> > 
> > No because you just want to start an argument.
> 
> And life's too short for that.


Is not.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lord Buddha , incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

2005-10-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > [Sorry, Buddhists!]
> > > 
> > > [The Devas to Shiva:] "In days of yore, it was to
> > > favour us that Lord Vishnu incarnated Himself as
> > > the Buddha and diverted unrighteous men from
> > > contaminating the Vedic path, by preaching a new
> > > religion for them. But today the country is filled
> > > with the heterodox followers of that religion, as
> > > night is by darkness. They are indulging in carping
> > > criticism of the Veda, declaring it to be just a 
> > > fraudulent means of livelihood for a few, and 
> > > condemning its teachings on the duties of Varnas
> > > and Ashramas as mere superstitions. As people have
> > > given up the orthodox Vedic path and become heretics,
> > > there is none to do the daily devotional acts like
> > > Sandhya, or to take to the life of renunciation."
> > > 
> > > -- Madhava-Vidyaranya [maadhava-vidyaaraNya],
> > >Shankara-dig-vijaya. The traditional life
> > >of Sri Sankaracharya [shrii shankaraacaarya]
> > 
> > This kind of sniping always fascinates me.  It's
> > especially fascinating in the case of the Hindu-
> > Buddhist sniping.  NO ONE could have been clearer
> > in life about rejecting the Hindu system than the
> > original Buddha.  He also rejected to some extent
> > the notion of avatars.  So what does Hinduism do
> > the minute the guy dies and is safely out of the
> > way, unable to contradict them in person?  They
> > declare him an avatar of Vishnu, and claim that
> > he was really teaching a variant of Hinduism.
> > 
> > Orthodoxy is its own Hell.  I think it's a suburb
> > of the Hell Of Self Importance.
> > 
> > It's also fascinating in terms of the theories
> > proposed by Lama Ole in a short rap posted here
> > recently.  I mean, this quote is attributed to
> > *devas*, ferchissakes.  So either the priests
> > are making this jealous sniping up and attrib-
> > uting it to deities, or the deities themselves
> > really *are* so insecure and stuck in the astral 
> > plane that they really *are* jealous of some human
> > being who's getting more press than they are.
> > 
> > And isn't it *really* fascinating that the thing
> > that the priests who wrote this are most uptight
> > about is the claim that selling the Veda is just
> > a "fraudulent means of livelihood for a few?"
> > Sound familiar?  Maybe the TMers who have "lost
> > faith" in the TMO for similar reasons are really
> > "unrighteous men contaminating the Vedic path,"
> > and the righteous are better off without them.
> > 
> > Then again, maybe the "unrighteous" are waking up 
> > from a bad dream in which their own holy men were 
> > demanding money all the time, as the only approp-
> > riate method of proving their faith, and the 
> > money-grubbers would prefer that the flock stays
> > safely -- and profitably -- asleep.
> 
> That rap of the Devas goes on for a couple of 
> sentences, then sez Shiva:
> "Taking a human body, I shall secure what is good
> for you. I shall establish the Dharma, conquering 
> all the leaders of the perverse paths. I shall produce
> a commentary on the Brahma Sutras, setting forth the
> true teachings of the Vedas. I shall do this, taking
> the form of a great Sannyasin, S[h]ankara by name,
> accompanied by four disciples who would be like the 
> luminous sun dispelling the darkness of ignorance
> conjured up by the acceptance of duality. Just like
> Mahavishnu [Buddha?], I shall embody myself on earth.
> All of you, Devas residing in Swarga, should also 
> take birth on earth like Myself and assist Me in My
> mission. Thus shall your prayer be fulfilled."

Looks like "my dharma is better than your dharma"
is far from a new idea.






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