[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' words: description or instruction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus also, said..I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He also said, Before Abraham was, I AM In Greek it seems to be eimi (pronounce: i-mee)... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://geocities.com/peterklutz/ Well, I happen to have his book Tibetan Secrets of Youth and Vitality How to look and feel younger using five ancient rites for stimulating your energy centres. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Peace Removal of Terrorism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, surya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (Yavanartha .). Do you mean this one: yaavaan artha udapaane sarvataH samplutodake . taavaan sarveSu vedeSu braahmaNasya vijaanataH .. 2\-46.. Maharishi's translation: To the enlightened brahmin all the Vedas are of no more use than is a small well in a place flooded with water on every side. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 9:56:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Halliburton? They are under constant scrutiny and being watched by plenty of politicians that hate them and hate Bush. They know they aren't going to get away with a penny they didn't earn and will be challenged on every bill they submit. And you can't find anybody that can do a better job.And that claim is based on what? Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:13 PM, peterklutz wrote: http://geocities.com/peterklutz/ Yeah, these have been around for years. Apparently while visiting Tibet, he witnessed part of sun-moon yoga practice. Part of the sequences are taught in groups of five, but there's more to it than what his book gives. There are several levels to each group of five *and* breathing is linked to various inner visualizations. These are supposed to be moving asanas linked to visualization and specific breathing and retention practices. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
All we is more techniques! --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:13 PM, peterklutz wrote: http://geocities.com/peterklutz/ Yeah, these have been around for years. Apparently while visiting Tibet, he witnessed part of sun-moon yoga practice. Part of the sequences are taught in groups of five, but there's more to it than what his book gives. There are several levels to each group of five *and* breathing is linked to various inner visualizations. These are supposed to be moving asanas linked to visualization and specific breathing and retention practices. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right’s fear of self-realization and spirituality
RELIGIONBeware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right’s fear of self-realization and spiritualityBy Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D.Online Journal Contributing Writer Jun 22, 2006, 00:39They’re still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are again attacking yoga.This is not the first time they’ve done so. On September 6, 2005, the Christian “news service” Agape Press carried an article titled “School Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns.” The author cited was Dr. Walter Larimore, who wrote Alternative Medicine: A Christian Handbook. Dr. Larimore argued that because yoga has spiritual roots outside Christianity, the practice can be dangerous. He argued that “involvement with Eastern spiritual practices is known to cause psychological and emotional problems in some people.”In all probability those “some people” had psychological and/or emotional problems before even considering taking a yoga class. Or perhaps Latimer defines “psychological and emotional problems” as questioning the no-thinking-allowed dogma of Christian fundamentalism. The billions of people worldwide who have practiced yoga for centuries certainly do not support Larimore’s preposterous claim.On June 15, 2006, Agape Press carried this article:Author Wants to Enlighten Christians About Yoga's Demonic InfluenceChristian author Dave Hunt, co-founder of the Oregon-based ministry, The Berean Call, has written a new book called Yoga and the Body of Christ. In it, he contends that yoga is a spiritually dangerous practice designed to expose people to demonic influences.Mr. Hunt is quoted as saying, “If you want to benefit yourself physically, then do exercises that were designed for that. Do not get into things that were designed for self-realization . . . If you want to do some exercises, please don’t call it yoga, because as soon as you do, you’ve put a certain connotation on it.”Why would Mr. Hunt fear “self-realization”? Why would he advise “Christians” to avoid it?Could it be that if people achieve self-realization they will recognize the sinister mind-control techniques of “ministries” such as The Berean Call? Could it be that they would also realize that if they develop a “personal relationship with God,” there is no need for ministries? The clergy would become little more than “middlemen” who, like all middlemen, leech off others for their own self-aggrandizement. In fact, the clergy would become “demonic influences” interrupting, twisting and poisoning one’s personal relationship with Divinity for their own power and profit.Matthew 4:8-9 comes to mind: “The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’” The socio-political message of the Christian Right to Americans is exactly the same, especially at election time.“Please don’t call it yoga, because as soon as you do, you’ve put a certain connotation on it.” Why does Mr. Hunt fear the word “yoga”? Is he saying that the word alone invokes demons? If one intones the word “yoga” does Mephistopheles appear in lotus position?Aside from centuries of spiritual healing, the health benefits – both physical and mental – of yoga are well documented. What really seems to be at the heart of Dr. Larimore’s and Mr. Hunt’s warnings is a desire to prevent Christians from knowing about or exploring other belief systems and the self-realization true spirituality brings. But that Machiavellian “Christian” message – and the call to ignorance – is a common one.One place it can be heard loud and clear is at TrueU.org, which isn’t a university at all but part of James Dobson’s Focus on the Family media syndicate. Dobson is the “religious” middleman who has set “himself up as the moral authority of the nation.” TrueU frequently offers “lectures” explaining why Christianity is the only true religion and why Jesus is the only “God” and, by implication, why those who wish to avoid thinking for themselves as well as self-realization should enroll in TrueU, which is actually Focus on the Family Institute.One TrueU lecture, “Choosin' My Religion” by J.P. Moreland, claimed to offer “objective principles to guide one in choosing a religion.” The oxymoron is obvious: religion is anything but “objective.”“Why Believe That Jesus Is The Only Way?” by Douglas Groothuis presented incestuous, self-serving “biblical evidence for Christ’s lordship” [italics added]. Groothius also offered “Learning From an Apostle” in which he argued “Unless we establish a Christian worldview . . . people will likely place Jesus into the wrong worldview, taking Him to be merely a guru or swami or prophet, rather than Lord, God and Savior.”Eastern religions are a favorite target for these middlemen profiteers, as one of the books promoted by TrueU attests. Jesus Among Other Gods: as the TrueU promo stated, “Ravi Zacharias’ latest work is a brilliant defense of the unique truth of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 10:53:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 8:28:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All they would have to do is prove they aren't doing the job they were hired to do and they have been given ample warning to clean it up. Tht's worked really well in Iraq.Halliburton? They are under constant scrutiny and being watched by plenty of politicians that hate them and hate Bush. They know they aren't going to get away with a penny they didn't earn and will be challenged on every bill they submit. And you can't find anybody that can do a better job.By the way, the contract under which Haliburton operates in Iraq was signed by...THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION! Even though Clinton left office way before the invasion of Iraq, the Haliburton contract is a hold-over from the Clinton Administration. OMG! and Clinton did that while Cheney was still active with the company? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly.On Jun 24, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Peter wrote:All we is more techniques! --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:13 PM, peterklutz wrote: http://geocities.com/peterklutz/Yeah, these have been around for years. Apparently while visiting Tibet, he witnessed part of sun-moon yoga practice. Part of the sequences are taught in groups of five, but there's more to it than what his book gives. There are several levels to each group of five *and* breathing is linked to various inner visualizations. These are supposed to be moving asanas linked to visualization and specific breathing and retention practices. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
For an authentic look at these practices check out:http://www.asianart.com/articles/baker/index.html...and the pictures entitled "Mystical practices", "tummo: the yoga of inner heat" and "yogic techniques to develop the system of nadis."On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Vaj wrote:If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Vaj wrote:For an authentic look at these practices check out:http://www.asianart.com/articles/baker/index.html...and the pictures entitled "Mystical practices", "tummo: the yoga of inner heat" and "yogic techniques to develop the system of nadis."Also "trulkhor, yogic exercises" __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RELIGION Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Jun 22, 2006, 00:39 They're still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are again attacking yoga. This is not the first time they've done so. On September 6, 2005, the Christian news service Agape Press carried an article titled School Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns. The reason that hatha yoga programs may indeed be unhealthy for Americans is not the reasons given by the author. The reason is that if yoga is NOT taught or practised properly it can lead to back problems and other maladies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self-realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. Just about any approach to self-improvement that is not explicitly Christian--including psychoanalysis-- is believed to be from the Other Side by some fundamentalist Christians. Anything with Eastern origins automatically falls into this category. But did you know that Kermit the Frog is a tool of Satan? If you were to research this, you'd be amazed at the extent of the Evil One's reach into our daily lives. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All we is more techniques! We know you are beyond need, Peter. But you can still speak the word without taking you out of that state. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga De mon! The Christian Right’s fear of ...
In a message dated 6/24/06 10:10:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: --- Vaj posted:Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self-realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against "Hindu exercises" on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview.Just about any approach to self-improvement that isnot explicitly Christian--including psychoanalysis--is believed to be from the Other Side by somefundamentalist Christians.Anything with Eastern origins automatically fallsinto this category. Believe it or not, I actually heard Pat Robertson reply to question about doing yoga that the physical bending and stretching was OK and probably good for you but he recommended not reciting any mantras or such. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly. Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. I've always liked it when, in response to this Fundamentalist argument, they are reminded that the culture of Western medicine has its roots in the Hypocratic Oath which, of course, invokes several Greek Gods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. I've always liked it when, in response to this Fundamentalist argument, they are reminded that the culture of Western medicine has its roots in the Hypocratic Oath which, of course, invokes several Greek Gods. Yeah, but the Fundamentalist Christian doctors that take the oath, don't really mean it so that's ok... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly. Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? Are you under the impression that Vaj isn't already in full Buddhahood? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- authfriend wrote: But did you know that Kermit the Frog is a tool of Satan? I was pretty sure Barney the Dinosaur was Satan's Spawn, but this news about Kermit comes as a shock. Though now that you mention it, I see a pattern: Gog, Magog, Frog... If you were to research this, you'd be amazed at the extent of the Evil One's reach into our daily lives. I went through a period not long ago when I got tangible results from so-called clearing prayers to rid my person and property of malicious spirits, so I'm sympathetic toward the Fundamentalists' concern about demons and such. A big difference between us is, I see the orthodox religions as good places to find those very entities, and not because evil is attracted to good, either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. I've always liked it when, in response to this Fundamentalist argument, they are reminded that the culture of Western medicine has its roots in the Hypocratic Oath which, of course, invokes several Greek Gods. Yeah, but the Fundamentalist Christian doctors that take the oath, don't really mean it so that's ok... ...yet when I use my mantra in my meditation I'm using it for its sound value but, to them, that's NOT okay... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lonely Americans
Bhairitu wrote: Lonely Americans: People Have Fewer Close Friends /Internet, Long Work Hours Cited/ *RALEIGH, N.C. -- *Nearly one in every four Americans has no close confidant, according to a study that found that the average person's circle of close friends has shrunk considerably in the last two decades. * Read more here:** http://forums.ibsys.com/viewmessages.cfm?sitekey=steuForum=79Topic=14065* http://www.wtov9.com/family/9419110/detail.html Of course this doesn't apply to anyone here. Probably that no one here wanted to comment on this says a lot in itself. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 9:56:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Halliburton? They are under constant scrutiny and being watched by plenty of politicians that hate them and hate Bush. They know they aren't going to get away with a penny they didn't earn and will be challenged on every bill they submit. And you can't find anybody that can do a better job. And that claim is based on what? Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus is coming, and man is he unstressing!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Kansas Pastor... Pastor Hubbard seriously questions the group's claims, however. In April, he and other pastors sent a signed letter to the local newspaper stating that the TM group's members are welcome but must recognize that they and the church are at odds, competing for the eternal souls of people. This makes me wonder what souls are going for these days. Do they have a monetary value or does one collect them like green stamps, and get some kind of prize when you have a book full of them? I think they only want the souls that listen to country music and watch NASCAR racing. And definately no French allowed. Only Freedom Fries and 'W' Ketchup sauce in Heaven. Sorry Pal. OffWorld OffWorld, you are one biased, intolerant full-of-racist-stereotypes individual... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly.Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? It's not my primary practice, I most often use it on retreat or for working with the breath, but yes they do help with evolution and the latter, although it's more connected with the Illusory body. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly. Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? It's not my primary practice, I most often use it on retreat or for working with the breath, but yes they do help with evolution and the latter, although it's more connected with the Illusory body. So you are doing other things that are EVEN quicker in taking a person to full Buddahood (with Rainbow Body presumably)? (If not, is attaining full buddhood a moderate to low priority for you?) btw, what is quick? a couple of years? a couple of life times? a couple of yugas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far. If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus is coming, and man is he unstressing!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Kansas Pastor... Pastor Hubbard seriously questions the group's claims, however. In April, he and other pastors sent a signed letter to the local newspaper stating that the TM group's members are welcome but must recognize that they and the church are at odds, competing for the eternal souls of people. This makes me wonder what souls are going for these days. Do they have a monetary value or does one collect them like green stamps, and get some kind of prize when you have a book full of them? I think they only want the souls that listen to country music and watch NASCAR racing. And definately no French allowed. Only Freedom Fries and 'W' Ketchup sauce in Heaven. Sorry Pal. OffWorld OffWorld, you are one biased, intolerant full-of-racist-stereotypes individual... +++ That might be a little harsh but it is still better than the politically correct euphimisimers who go about putting perfume on garbage. In the movie equalibrium, they eliminated everything controversial- Dull world. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Beware the Yo ga Demon! The Christian Right’s fear of self-realization and spirituality
I think if being from another planet were to visit here they would note that human beings have a disease called religion which will eventually destroy them. Vaj wrote: RELIGION Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right’s fear of self-realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Jun 22, 2006, 00:39 They’re still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are again attacking yoga. This is not the first time they’ve done so. On September 6, 2005, the Christian “news service” Agape Press carried an article titled “School Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns.” The author cited was Dr. Walter Larimore, who wrote Alternative Medicine: A Christian Handbook. Dr. Larimore argued that because yoga has spiritual roots outside Christianity, the practice can be dangerous. He argued that “involvement with Eastern spiritual practices is known to cause psychological and emotional problems in some people.” In all probability those “some people” had psychological and/or emotional problems before even considering taking a yoga class. Or perhaps Latimer defines “psychological and emotional problems” as questioning the no-thinking-allowed dogma of Christian fundamentalism. The billions of people worldwide who have practiced yoga for centuries certainly do not support Larimore’s preposterous claim. On June 15, 2006, Agape Press carried this article: Author Wants to Enlighten Christians About Yoga's Demonic Influence Christian author Dave Hunt, co-founder of the Oregon-based ministry, The Berean Call, has written a new book called Yoga and the Body of Christ. In it, he contends that yoga is a spiritually dangerous practice designed to expose people to demonic influences. Mr. Hunt is quoted as saying, “If you want to benefit yourself physically, then do exercises that were designed for that. Do not get into things that were designed for self-realization . . . If you want to do some exercises, please don’t call it yoga, because as soon as you do, you’ve put a certain connotation on it.” Why would Mr. Hunt fear “self-realization”? Why would he advise “Christians” to avoid it? Could it be that if people achieve self-realization they will recognize the sinister mind-control techniques of “ministries” such as The Berean Call? Could it be that they would also realize that if they develop a “personal relationship with God,” there is no need for ministries? The clergy would become little more than “middlemen” who, like all middlemen, leech off others for their own self- aggrandizement. In fact, the clergy would become “demonic influences” interrupting, twisting and poisoning one’s personal relationship with Divinity for their own power and profit. Matthew 4:8-9 comes to mind: “The devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’” The socio-political message of the Christian Right to Americans is exactly the same, especially at election time. “Please don’t call it yoga, because as soon as you do, you’ve put a certain connotation on it.” Why does Mr. Hunt fear the word “yoga”? Is he saying that the word alone invokes demons? If one intones the word “yoga” does Mephistopheles appear in lotus position? Aside from centuries of spiritual healing, the health benefits – both physical and mental – of yoga are well documented. What really seems to be at the heart of Dr. Larimore’s and Mr. Hunt’s warnings is a desire to prevent Christians from knowing about or exploring other belief systems and the self-realization true spirituality brings. But that Machiavellian “Christian” message – and the call to ignorance – is a common one. One place it can be heard loud and clear is at TrueU.org, which isn’t a university at all but part of James Dobson’s Focus on the Family media syndicate. Dobson is the “religious” middleman who has set “himself up as the moral authority of the nation.” TrueU frequently offers “lectures” explaining why Christianity is the only true religion and why Jesus is the only “God” and, by implication, why those who wish to avoid thinking for themselves as well as self- realization should enroll in TrueU, which is actually Focus on the Family Institute. One TrueU lecture, “Choosin' My Religion” by J.P. Moreland, claimed to offer “objective principles to guide one in choosing a religion.” The oxymoron is obvious: religion is anything but “objective.” “Why Believe That Jesus Is The Only Way?” by Douglas Groothuis presented incestuous, self-serving “biblical evidence for Christ’s lordship” [italics added]. Groothius also offered “Learning From an Apostle” in which he argued “Unless we establish a Christian
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far. If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. I already saw a report about two years ago on Frontline that did a fairly good job on documenting it. And I have read numerous articles and have probably signed a petition or two for an investigation into the matter. My brother was a government contractor during the Vietnam error so I have a good idea how things work. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/24/06 2:34:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]net writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far.If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. I already saw a report about two years ago on Frontline that did a fairly good job on documenting it. And I have read numerous articles and have probably signed a petition or two for an investigation into the matter. My brother was a government contractor during the Vietnam error so I have a good idea how things work. ;-) And since you know how things work , you would know that Haliburton's bills will be audited not only by the Pentagon, but also by members of congress and anything out of the ordinary will have to be explained and adjusted if neccassary. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:24 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly.Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? It's not my primary practice, I most often use it on retreat or for working with the breath, but yes they do help with evolution and the latter, although it's more connected with the Illusory body. So you are doing other things that are EVEN quicker in taking a person to full Buddahood (with Rainbow Body presumably)?Yes. (If not, is attaining full buddhood a moderate to low priority for you?)No. btw, what is "quick"? a couple of years? a couple of life times? a couple of yugas? A lifetime or two. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and sp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: But did you know that Kermit the Frog is a tool of Satan? I was pretty sure Barney the Dinosaur was Satan's Spawn, but this news about Kermit comes as a shock. Though now that you mention it, I see a pattern: Gog, Magog, Frog... If you were to research this, you'd be amazed at the extent of the Evil One's reach into our daily lives. I went through a period not long ago when I got tangible results from so-called clearing prayers to rid my person and property of malicious spirits, so I'm sympathetic toward the Fundamentalists' concern about demons and such. A big difference between us is, I see the orthodox religions as good places to find those very entities, and not because evil is attracted to good, either. Very nice last sentence, Patrick. A masterpiece of understatement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right’s fea r of self-realization and spirituality
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RELIGION Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Jun 22, 2006, 00:39 They're still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are again attacking yoga. This is not the first time they've done so. On September 6, 2005, the Christian news service Agape Press carried an article titled School Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns. The reason that hatha yoga programs may indeed be unhealthy for Americans is not the reasons given by the author. The reason is that if yoga is NOT taught or practised properly it can lead to back problems and other maladies. Not to mention that Yog is not asanas, it is meditation. The asanas are the prep for sitting in meditation. And it is Yog not Yo-gah. Millions mispronounce it. Indians pronounce it Yog. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and sp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think if beings from another planet were to visit here they would note that human beings have a disease called religion which will eventually destroy them. That's good enough to be in thousands of .sig files, man. Well said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right’s fea r of self-realization and spirituality
Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Vaj posted: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self-realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. I recall a warning against Hindu exercises on KFUO, the radio station of the conservative Lutheran Church - MIssouri Synod that I enjoyed listening to when I lived in St. Louis. They said yoga is bad for you because it derives from Hindu teachings. Have you ever heard the Christians argue against tai chi or some other martial art? Seems they'd be off limits, too, to the extent they reflect a taoist worldview. Southern Baptists did a big anti-tantra thing a few years back even traveling to Jamaica to preach against it. Jesus was a tantric and the miracles tantric siddhis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. In all seriousness, that's a fascinating perspective. It would never in a million years have occured to me. I see this place as one in which certain threads have the phwam! to capture people's attention and get them talking about that subject, and others really don't. Generally, the energy surrounding Maharishi's pronouncements or news of the reverberations of the pronouncements really just don't capture people's attention. It's not like they're trying to interject some subject to blot Maharishis out; they're trying to interject a subject that's still interesting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] God Gameth and God hath blown them away: Left Behind: Eternal Forces
Vaj wrote: / *The Purpose Driven Life Takers (Part 1)* By *Jonathan Hutson* http://www.talk2action.org/user/Jonathan%20Hutson /Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:58:55 PM EST/ Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is to conduct physical and spiritual warfare; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of /The Purpose Driven Life/. The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the Christmas shopping rush, has been previewed at video game exhibitions, and reviewed by major newspapers and magazines. But until now, no fan or critic has pointed out the controversial game's connection to Mr. Warren or his dominionist agenda. / /(...)/ http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959// It should be fun to design a counter-game. And it would really stir up controversy. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Peace Removal of Terrorism
That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). surya wrote: There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (Yavanartha….). In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. `Esavasya Upanishad' says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles. In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God's work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways. In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander's ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander. The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the correct path. The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by another diamond. Similarly, one type of knowledge can only be replaced by another type of knowledge. Then only, he will be convinced and changed forever. So far, the trials made to change the terrorist were beating around the bush and therefore, they did not have much effect. Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 2:34:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far. If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. I already saw a report about two years ago on Frontline that did a fairly good job on documenting it. And I have read numerous articles and have probably signed a petition or two for an investigation into the matter. My brother was a government contractor during the Vietnam error so I have a good idea how things work. ;-) And since you know how things work , you would know that Haliburton's bills will be audited not only by the Pentagon, but also by members of congress and anything out of the ordinary will have to be explained and adjusted if neccassary. Ah, but the Pentagon is hiding these things: *Pentagon 'hid' damning Halliburton audit* *Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington Wednesday March 16, 2005 http://www.guardian.co.uk* The Pentagon stood accused of sitting on a damaging report from its own auditors on a $108.4m (£56.6m) overcharge by Halliburton for its services in Iraq yesterday. In a scathing letter to George Bush, Democratic congressmen Henry Waxman of California and John Dingell of Michigan said the Defence Contract Audit Agency's audit was completes last October - before the election. They also note that 12 separate requests to the Pentagon to view the completed audits on the contractor's $2.5bn contract to supply fuel and other services in post-war Iraq had been ignored. We would like to know why this audit report - and audit reports on nine additional task orders - are being withheld from Congress, they wrote. Read the full article here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1438694,00.html Yup M, Halliburton is such a wonnerful company. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dzogchen Valley
Title: Dzogchen Valley From a friend of mine whos up in Tibet: Hi I have just come out of the woods for a day to Garze, Kham, a town big enough to have internet... I have reemerged only to buy an ax for the monastery in the amazingly beautiful Dzogchen valley where I have been staying since arriving in Kham a couple of weeks ago. My job there is to chop wood and carry water, which I am told will be no different after I acheive enlightenment in some distant Aeon from now. But oddly, there was no ax at the monastery so I have actually til now been merrily smashing the boards I could with a sledge hammer, a spectator sport for the nuns and monks, a visualization for me of my own ego-dismantling process. On arrival I saw some little nuns swinging the hammer like pixies at the side show trying to ring the bell and so took over the work from them. Now the smashables are exhausted so I am making my small extra contribution to the Monastery by taking the trip to Garze to buy axes and such. There's lots of axable wood around there. I will ride the five hour bus back to Dzogchen tomorrow morning. The monks don't seem to do much work, but they smile and laugh a lot and a big group of them did build a nice bridge yesterday (the pics I wanted to share, sigh) but in general, feminism hasn't reached Kham yet. And last week I helped one monk put the final touches on the head altar where the Buddha statue sits at the recently rebuilt Gompa. My height came in handy for painting and nailing the brass plaques into place. The Chinese are tolerant enough to allow the rebuilding of monasteries these days, though all the monasteries in the area were demolished during the Cultural REvolution. It was a great loss but doesn't Buddhism teach the impermanence of all things and didn't this give the artisans a chance to do some great new work? The valley itself is at the foot of a glacier with high granite spires on three sides and is a moraine rather like the one formed by glaciers at Wallowa Lake. Here the river that flows through the valley pours out of a hole in the rock wall below the glacier. A hundred meters away from this is a cave where one of the great modern Tibetan Masters, 19th Century, Patrul Rinpoche wrote a bible called Words of My Perfect Teacher. This is considered one of the holiest areas in Tibet and so beautiful it is clear why this is so. When I am not chopping wood and carrying water from the river to the kitchen in two buckets held by cords a bamboo pole draped over my shoulders, the humble job for which I am given a room and food at 15 Yuen ( about $2)/ day, I am having a great time exploring this and the neighboring valleys. If it was not so remote, took three days on rough busses to get here, this would surely be a major destination for trekking. As it is there are few westerners. I have pictures to attach but I cannot figure out how to get them from my USB pin onto the yahoo, just tried for ten minutes, tough to read Chinese, pics may have to wait, but take my word for it its amazing here... not just the scenery but the people. these Khampas are still old style Tibetan. They are very curious and friendly, love having their picture taken and I am for them a walking circus attraction, no end of amusement over the size of my feet and my height. Right now there is a high level initiation at the monastery so it is filled with monks and lamas from all over. Not being a monk, and very unlikely I will become one, I can't attend and wouldn't understand a thing anyway. But in August there will be some teachings for foreigners, mostly Chinese, and for this there will also be English translation. I am very interested in these and will probably stay here abouts until then traveling to other monasteries and treks within a days travel, may not be back on line before getting back to Chengdu August 29th just in time to get out of China before my visa expires. I have decided not to go to northern China or through much of China at all, it'll be there later, has been for about 5,000 years now. I want to stay here and just get to know this area and the people rather than just going to the tourist places among the Borg. This area is Borg free. REsistance is not futile after all. I am meditating a bit too, maybe 5-8 hours/day depending on the definition of meditation, and have discovered that until one does this, one really has no idea how crazy one's mind is. Hope you are all insane enough to find out yourselves one day...Well, the 4th Noble Truth says there is a path and get on it, so as Allen Ginsberg wrote in America, I am putting my queer shoulder to the wheel even if I aint queer and aint in America! Tashi Dilek! and hugs to you all yes you! Kevin or Tree depending on your choice... Happy Birthday Mom and Kathy, may you both have a great many years of good times to come, love to you both... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Rail Road Earth
Check out these guys. They're going to be in FF July 19. http://www.railroadearth.com/listen/?l=1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dzogchen Valley
Lovely. Thanks for posting this, Rick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:24 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: If you're going to learn them, it's better to learn them the right way. In that way they can take a person to full Buddhahood rather quickly. Was that your experience? If you didn't do it, why not? What else could possibly divert your attention if quick attainement of full Buddhood was available? Does it include the Rainbow Body? It's not my primary practice, I most often use it on retreat or for working with the breath, but yes they do help with evolution and the latter, although it's more connected with the Illusory body. So you are doing other things that are EVEN quicker in taking a person to full Buddahood (with Rainbow Body presumably)? Yes. (If not, is attaining full buddhood a moderate to low priority for you?) No. btw, what is quick? a couple of years? a couple of life times? a couple of yugas? A lifetime or two. ok thanks. Its clearer now. I figured quick was a couple of years. Thus it was hard to beleive that these methods had not created many buddhas if the assertion is true. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Rights fear of self-realization and sp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: RELIGION Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self- realization and spirituality By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Jun 22, 2006, 00:39 They're still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are again attacking yoga. This is not the first time they've done so. On September 6, 2005, the Christian news service Agape Press carried an article titled School Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns. The reason that hatha yoga programs may indeed be unhealthy for Americans is not the reasons given by the author. The reason is that if yoga is NOT taught or practised properly it can lead to back problems and other maladies. Not to mention that Yog is not asanas, it is meditation. The asanas are the prep for sitting in meditation. And it is Yog not Yo-gah. Millions mispronounce it. Indians pronounce it Yog. Eight limbs of YOG. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre-80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Progressive and Flat Taxes
On Jun 24, 2006, at 4:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre-80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via "clever" means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying "income" when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Are you a CPA or Tax Attorney? You sure seem to know a lot about the economic and financial world! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 2400 Pundits to Germany?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre-80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) The above does not address your greed issue. I am sympathetic to that. Yet strong progressive taxation of the pre-80's did not put much of a dent in that. Greed is not a trait well addressed by the tax code. Its an ethic, set of values, and ethos. Thats what needs to be changed. There has always been strong tradition of giving large fortunes to charitable causes. Increasing a lot of PC and net fortunes appear headed that way. Strengthening that impulse in society is a good thing. Public esteem and fame based on charitable works rather than accumulations, houses, etc, needs to be nurtured. Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). I dread the day if/when all income and estates are capped at some maximum with the largess going to feed a corrupt political system. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Ok, my final offer: :) a 17% flat estate tax above five million. But you hafta also support my 15 points towards real democracy -- yesterdays rant (IRV, etc.) Its a package deal :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Yup, the estate tax should kick in lower. There was nothing wrong with it the way it was. Bill Gates and his father championed keeping it the way it was. Bill is probably like Hurley in Lost, his estate is being managed by a investment team and he pays little attention to it. The idea I proposed was often discussed more back in the 1980 election where it was a plank by some of the candidates, I think maybe even John Anderson. I have friends with more than a $12 million estate who agree. Concentrated wealth is not a good thing. I always thought that Reagan and company were getting complaints about the Saudi billionaires and that one couldn't be a billionaire in the US so they did away with the progressive tax (which was ~95% at one point). However I'm not that sure they were so happy about a computer geek becoming the richest guy. :) As for a flat tax, I'm for that. It is an insult to expect Americans to be accountants to do their taxes fairly. I have mine done by an accountant but I still practically have to be one just to do the worksheets. This is probably an issue that the right and left might get on the same page but we probably won't see it because the break that homeowners would get on their taxes would go away and many won't be able to afford their homes after that. Thus the flat tax is being found by the real estate interests. BTW, this leftist benefited from the Bush tax cuts, so there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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*Be sure to pack an AC unit. :) *For many years, highly skilled graduates of India's universities took jobs in the Bay Area, helping fuel the high-tech boom. Now, young Californians are discovering India as a land of economic opportunity. Read the article here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/24/BUGG3JJJ3E1.DTL Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Progressive and Flat Taxes
new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre-80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. And I *do* want to make it clear the progressive tax would work this way: once you had an estate valued at 12 million the progressive tax would kick in. Smart people would retire probably spend more time one their favorite charities, travel the world etc. I would probably do that at even 4 million. Right now we have people with too much money making bad decisions effecting too many people. They are not gods. Take away their excess wealth and bring them back to reason. You could even have a flat tax where the progressive would kick in under these rules. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Go East, Young Man!
I also wanted to mention the current issue of Time on India. You can read some of the articles online here: www.time.com Bhairitu wrote: *Be sure to pack an AC unit. :) *For many years, highly skilled graduates of India's universities took jobs in the Bay Area, helping fuel the high-tech boom. Now, young Californians are discovering India as a land of economic opportunity. Read the article here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/24/BUGG3JJJ3E1.DTL Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre-80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) The above does not address your greed issue. I am sympathetic to that. Yet strong progressive taxation of the pre-80's did not put much of a dent in that. Greed is not a trait well addressed by the tax code. Its an ethic, set of values, and ethos. Thats what needs to be changed. There has always been strong tradition of giving large fortunes to charitable causes. Increasing a lot of PC and net fortunes appear headed that way. Strengthening that impulse in society is a good thing. Public esteem and fame based on charitable works rather than accumulations, houses, etc, needs to be nurtured. Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). I dread the day if/when all income and estates are capped at some maximum with the largess going to feed a corrupt political system. You still don't understand, the tax is not to feed the political system but as a disincentive to concentrated wealth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Ok, my final offer: :) a 17% flat estate tax above five million. But you hafta also support my 15 points towards real democracy -- yesterdays rant (IRV, etc.) Its a package deal :) BTW, I do agree with some of your 15 points. Probably more than you would imagine. BTW, do you fancy yourself a Libertarian? You read that way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 4:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never- gonna- bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Are you a CPA or Tax Attorney? You sure seem to know a lot about the economic and financial world! Whatever he is, he sure knows his stuff. I do estate planning and I know alot of this stuff and he is pretty much right on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Peace Removal of Terrorism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna- bees -- whine at this). Yes, they (we) whine at this because progressive taxes don't hurt the rich -- they already have their money and will find ways to keep it -- it hurts those that ASPIRE to be rich...and progressive taxes serve as a DISINCENTIVE to work. And anyone that wants to create an estate worth more than $12 million is none of YOUR business, Bhairitu, and none of the government's business. I can't believe we're still discussing these things in the 21st century. surya wrote: There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (Yavanartha .). In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. `Esavasya Upanishad' says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles. In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God's work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways. In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander's ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander. The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the correct path. The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by another diamond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never- gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Very well said. I would add, however, that if there is going to be an estate tax it should be for everyone and it should be a flat rate of about 5%. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Ok, my final offer: :) a 17% flat estate tax above five million. But you hafta also support my 15 points towards real democracy -- yesterdays rant (IRV, etc.) Its a package deal :) My suggestion: - A 5% flat tax estate tax starting at a zero value estate; - A 17% flat federal income tax starting at zero taxable income; - Elimination of the Social Security system which would eliminate the approximately 6.2% Social Security contribution (that's about 12.4% for self-employed people) taken for each dollar of adjustable gross income up to about $85,000. - A requirement that each state institute a flat tax if they choose to have a state income tax. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never- gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) Few people are aware that any suggestion for the elimination of the estate tax comes with the elimination of the stepped-up basis for capital gains. Currently, all capital gains get stepped-up of their cost basis to market value on the day of death...so when your heirs inherit an asset of your's with a capital gain the cost basis on it is considered the market value on the day of death...in other words, ZERO capital gains. With the elimination of the estate tax (as the law currently calls for in the year 2010...and JUST the year 2010...it comes back in 2011) is the elimination of the stepped-up basisso the government gives with one hand and takes with the other. So if and when the government eliminates the estate tax don't scream that it is a give-away for the rich because the rich very well may end up paying MORE on death than if there was an estate tax... By the way, that is the way it is in socialist Canada: there is no estate tax but there IS a capital gains tax on death. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: World Peace Removal of Terrorism
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna- bees -- whine at this). Yes, they (we) whine at this because progressive taxes don't hurt the rich -- they already have their money and will find ways to keep it -- it hurts those that ASPIRE to be rich...and progressive taxes serve as a DISINCENTIVE to work. And anyone that wants to create an estate worth more than $12 million is none of YOUR business, Bhairitu, and none of the government's business. Oh yes it is when they start seeing themselves as mini-Napoleons and throwing their weight around. I can't believe we're still discussing these things in the 21st century. That's because it hasn't been fixed yet. rya wrote: There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (Yavanartha….). In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. `Esavasya Upanishad' says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles. In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God's work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways. In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander's ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander. The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). [snip] That's already happening. About $260 billion was given to charities by Americans last year. That leads the world and is an incredibly high amount...it is about 50% more than the entire federal budget of Canada. http://tinyurl.com/k9kck Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) The above does not address your greed issue. I am sympathetic to that. Yet strong progressive taxation of the pre-80's did not put much of a dent in that. Greed is not a trait well addressed by the tax code. Its an ethic, set of values, and ethos. Thats what needs to be changed. There has always been strong tradition of giving large fortunes to charitable causes. Increasing a lot of PC and net fortunes appear headed that way. Strengthening that impulse in society is a good thing. Public esteem and fame based on charitable works rather than accumulations, houses, etc, needs to be nurtured. Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). I dread the day if/when all income and estates are capped at some maximum with the largess going to feed a corrupt political system. You still don't understand, the tax is not to feed the political system but as a disincentive to concentrated wealth. Concentrated wealth in the hands of those responsible for creating it is a GREAT thing and should be encourated. Bhairitu, if you tax it, it goes to government which will NOT use it wisely. It WILL be used more wisely by those that create the wealth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Peace Removal of Terrorism
In a message dated 6/24/06 3:18:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick.(Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). What's so important about the number 12 million being a cut off point? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/24/06 3:21:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 2:34:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]net writes: _MDixon6569@aol.MDi_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]com) wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED].noo_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]net) writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far.If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. I already saw a report about two years ago on Frontline that did a fairly good job on documenting it. And I have read numerous articles and have probably signed a petition or two for an investigation into the matter. My brother was a government contractor during the Vietnam error so I have a good idea how things work. ;-)And since you know how things work , you would know that Haliburton's bills will be audited not only by the Pentagon, but also by members of congress and anything out of the ordinary will have to be explained and adjusted if neccassary. Ah, but the Pentagon is hiding these things:*Pentagon 'hid' damning Halliburton audit**Suzanne Goldenberg in WashingtonWednesday March 16, 2005http://www.guardian.co.uk*The Pentagon stood accused of sitting on a damaging report from its own auditors on a $108.4m (£56.6m) overcharge by Halliburton for its services in Iraq yesterday.In a scathing letter to George Bush, Democratic congressmen Henry Waxman of California and John Dingell of Michigan said the Defence Contract Audit Agency's audit was completes last October - before the election. They also note that 12 separate requests to the Pentagon to view the completed audits on the contractor's $2.5bn contract to supply fuel and other services in post-war Iraq had been ignored."We would like to know why this audit report - and audit reports on nine additional task orders - are being withheld from Congress," they wrote. One question, did Dingle and Waxman have the authority to call an audit on their own? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) The above does not address your greed issue. I am sympathetic to that. Yet strong progressive taxation of the pre-80's did not put much of a dent in that. Greed is not a trait well addressed by the tax code. Its an ethic, set of values, and ethos. Thats what needs to be changed. There has always been strong tradition of giving large fortunes to charitable causes. Increasing a lot of PC and net fortunes appear headed that way. Strengthening that impulse in society is a good thing. Public esteem and fame based on charitable works rather than accumulations, houses, etc, needs to be nurtured. Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). I dread the day if/when all income and estates are capped at some maximum with the largess going to feed a corrupt political system. You still don't understand, the tax is not to feed the political system but as a disincentive to concentrated wealth. Concentrated wealth in the hands of those responsible for creating it is a GREAT thing and should be encourated. Bhairitu, if you tax it, it goes to government which will NOT use it wisely. It WILL be used more wisely by those that create the wealth. History shows that not to be true at all. Most are just greedy bastards who care little about their fellow humanity. People like Bill Gates are a rare exception but as I stated earlier he has always had a mood of detachment from his wealth which I particularly noted in a local Seattle
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Peace Removal of Terrorism
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 3:18:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). What's so important about the number 12 million being a cut off point? It's just an example. I've heard economists use it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I *do* want to make it clear the progressive tax would work this way: once you had an estate valued at 12 million the progressive tax would kick in. At what rate(s)? At the current 35-60% (aproximate numbers) progressively? Or are you actually suggesting a a 100% tax after 12 million? If so Wow! O to 100% taxataion at 12 million!!! Wow!! Nothing AT ALL progressive about that. Progresive taxes have a long hist ory, NO ONE that I can recall has ever suggesting anthing so draconian. Still, your proposal is far more liberal than current laws that start taxation at just over a million and then tax at 35 to 60 % progressively. So its interesting that you want to abolish the current 60% tax on estates over 3-4 million up to 12 million? (I forget what bracket the final highest rate kicks in) I never took you to be such a strong advocate for abolishing the current tax on estates 1-12 mil, and the 60%+ tax on estates ~4-12 million. Ultra liberals never cease to amaze me. Or are you under the delusion that there currently is no estate tax? And ranting about nothing? Smart people would retire probably spend more time one their favorite charities, travel the world etc. I would probably do that at even 4 million. I imagine those that accumulated 12 million are generally smarter than you and will make thier own decisions without the need t o be informed about your personal preferences. Hard to beleive, sad, but true. Or they would continue to work and pump all the post 12 million into charitable trusts. knowing they could do some good things with the money and be more effective than gov't programs. Right now we have people with too much money making bad decisions effecting too many people. Um you sound a bit disgruntled? If the market rules are fair (which they are currently not perfect) what is gained by capping incomes other than throwing water in incentives -- the fuel of innovation. They are not gods. Oh you now sound really disgrungled. Bad experience in the elevator with a snotty exec? Take away their excess wealth and bring them back to reason. Ah, I see. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) This leftist has absolutely no problem with the suggestion. I'd make the estate tax level much lower, but other than that, a flat tax with no deductions is the way to go. Ok, my final offer: :) a 17% flat estate tax above five million. But you hafta also support my 15 points towards real democracy -- yesterdays rant (IRV, etc.) Its a package deal :) BTW, I do agree with some of your 15 points. Probably more than you would imagine. BTW, do you fancy yourself a Libertarian? You read that way. I don't fancy myself anything. I don't take some platform and adopt it. I think through each issue and decide on the merits. My views certainly are not universally libertairan. Ask me about pollution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Walker kids
Hello Dear ones, I am here in Nashville as part of a team of 3 (myself, son Will and Happy Burbeck) taking care of Elizabeth Walker. We are now almost 3 days away from discharge from Vanderbilt and 10 days from the accident. Eager to get out of the difficult situation at the Vanderbilt burn unit where she was moved after initally being in the trauma unit/SICU, we had a medical support service move her by ambulance to the motel as soon as they would let us go. Personally, I feel she should have been on an orthopedic unit for at least 2 weeks.but that is the reality of modern mega-medicine that is run by insurance companies. The trauma care she got as far as surgery goes was first rate. However, the nursing care at Vanderbilt was sketchy at best...very depending on who we got on any given shift. Lousy pain control monitoring, pmuch oor technique for basic patient cares and unforgiveably bad communication patterns made for a very trying and tiring experience. Of course, there were a few, including a long time aide, that were stellar. But as a result, Will and I played advocate for her constantly or else she simply would have disappeared on that floor filled w/ very critically injured people. It is a sobering environment. People were dying around us. Uff da. So. About Elizabeth. Elizabeth requires help for every basic mobility activity as her pelvis is broken is about 4 places (mostly on the right side) and she has a lumber 5 fracture as well. She is still very bruised although these are resolving nicely and has some dandy cuts that are sutured shut in some EXTREMELY delicate places. She is not able to bare any weight on the right leg, but is gaining greater mobility and range of motion w/ each day. She is still, however, largely bed bound. Today (Sat the 24th) was a special day as we were able to 'hook up' with Anna and Skye's weddingwe all cried w/ happiness and, yes, regret about not being able to be their in person for this wonderful event. But other than missing the 'grand finale kiss' we really enjoyed be able to participate via the miracle of cyberspace. Given the severity of her injuries, she is doing really well. Overall her spirits are good, but she has never been left alone for any amount of timeespecially by Prince Will. She requires pretty much round the clock care, with some gaps at night and in the day when she sleepsthen so do we. As there are 3 of us, we are getting into kind of a routine w/ one person taking over w/ Elizabeth so others can rest, do errands ( of which there are many), and otherwise take more of a backseat. We seem to be a good team. Everyone so far has been in good humor and keeping Miss E in the focus of our concern and energies as she gains in strength and courage. We are comfortably ensconced in a Residence Inn by Marriott...and they have been wonderful in their care and support of Elizabeth's unique needs...not the least being allowing us to move in a hospital bed into her little studio room. Too bad hospitals don't run w/ more of this service in mind!! We are able to cook right here in our rooms, watch the world of Nashville cruise by (there is an antique car rally going on so there are unbelieveably wild cars driving everywhere...quite entertaining) and enjoy the grove of trees that harbor singing birds out our door. And the Southerners have been, on the whole, very charming and sweet to us. Time is definitely 'out of joint' as it feels like we have been doing this forever! But its the best sort of work and it is so good to see her getting more stable both physically and emotionally. We are letting time and care work their magic as she gets strongerI think we might be able to move her safely in about 5-6 days barring any problems. I do hope it is not longer for all kinds of reasons. The most obvious one being the power of home to heal!! Especially in the rarified world of Fairfield. Please send this on to parties that might be interested. Thank you for your prayers and attention and assistance toward Elizabeth and her family. It is a real gift that they are all going to be all right after some time to mend. It is a joy and honor to be part of that process as it would seem that in helping others, we are healed. All gratitude and blessings, Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I *do* want to make it clear the progressive tax would work this way: once you had an estate valued at 12 million the progressive tax would kick in. At what rate(s)? At the current 35-60% (aproximate numbers) progressively? Or are you actually suggesting a a 100% tax after 12 million? If so Wow! O to 100% taxataion at 12 million!!! Wow!! Nothing AT ALL progressive about that. Progresive taxes have a long hist ory, NO ONE that I can recall has ever suggesting anthing so draconian. Yes, I am suggesting a 100% tax or 12 million or maybe 95%. Still, your proposal is far more liberal than current laws that start taxation at just over a million and then tax at 35 to 60 % progressively. So its interesting that you want to abolish the current 60% tax on estates over 3-4 million up to 12 million? (I forget what bracket the final highest rate kicks in) I never took you to be such a strong advocate for abolishing the current tax on estates 1-12 mil, and the 60%+ tax on estates ~4-12 million. Ultra liberals never cease to amaze me. I never said that. You are jumping to conclusions. Or are you under the delusion that there currently is no estate tax? And ranting about nothing? I am well aware of the current estate tax. And that they've been kicking around a change lately. Smart people would retire probably spend more time one their favorite charities, travel the world etc. I would probably do that at even 4 million. I imagine those that accumulated 12 million are generally smarter than you and will make thier own decisions without the need t o be informed about your personal preferences. Hard to beleive, sad, but true. Why do you associate wealth with smarts? A Havard study a few years back showed wealth had to do with luck not smarts. I've known a few dumb millionaires too. Around here we don't even call it luck, it's karma. Or they would continue to work and pump all the post 12 million into charitable trusts. knowing they could do some good things with the money and be more effective than gov't programs. Probably not that many would. Compare the charitable contributions of the Walton family with Bill Gates for example. They're a pretty sad bunch. Right now we have people with too much money making bad decisions effecting too many people. Um you sound a bit disgruntled? If the market rules are fair (which they are currently not perfect) what is gained by capping incomes other than throwing water in incentives -- the fuel of innovation. This has little to do with me. After all I have made a decent living and some good investments. Innovation doesn't come from the rich sector. It comes more often from small startups with people just squeaking by. Most of these people would be happy just to make a few million. They are not gods. Oh you now sound really disgrungled. Bad experience in the elevator with a snotty exec? That's a presumption on your part. I've know many wealthy people. Some who thought their shit didn't stink and others who were very cool. I've know both old money and the nouveau rich. The old money people I knew were very liberal. Their dad even got dragged into the McCarthy hearings. Take away their excess wealth and bring them back to reason. Ah, I see. I have my doubts about that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing. It is an disincentive to accumulating excessive wealth. It is better to have more millionaires than any billionaires. You would allow people to accumulate an estate worth up to $12 million and then the progressive tax kicks in. It's not there to make money for the government. Anyone who thinks they need more than $12 million has to be sick. (Just watch the resident righties -- rich wannabes but never-gonna-bees -- whine at this). Well I am not a resident rightie, but your conception of a progressive income tax is fine, but has nothing to do with the progressive income tax thats in place. Or the much more progressive one of the pre- 80's. A problem with high marginal rates -- near 70% in pre-80's, is people spend an inordinate amount of time trying to shelter it or make it tax deductable via clever means -- elaborate business trips and meals, etc. Very unproductive energy for them and society. But understandable when sheltering $1000 saves you $700. And such systems lead to hugely complex tax codes, and an army of tax accountants -- all unproductive overhead on society. And such complex tax codes increases corruption in government where special interests are willing to pay a lot to get special tax breaks. And lots of research does indicate the strong correlation of low(er) marginal tax rates with economic growth. A flat tax (some say 17% would do it) with no or few deductions, starting at incomes over $30-50,000, (even a negative income taxfor incomes below say $15,000) would eliminate all the inefficiencies, overheads and drags on society from excessive tax accountants, searching for tax shelters and deductions, poor economic choices for tax reasons, etc. And would trigger greater economic growth -- which is the engine for productivity increases, and that being the driver for wage rate increases at all levels. Unless you are mistakenly saying income when you mean estate tax -- and want to tax estates above 12 million. A fair proposal in my view -- particularly if there are 3-5 kids, 20 grand kids etc. But then again, few with estates above 12 million pay much estate tax -- its all in sheletered trusts. I suggest a flat tax per above, with an estate tax kicking in at $10-20 million. Just watch the resident ultra-leftists -- poor wannabes but never-gonna-bees, whine at this :) The above does not address your greed issue. I am sympathetic to that. Yet strong progressive taxation of the pre-80's did not put much of a dent in that. Greed is not a trait well addressed by the tax code. Its an ethic, set of values, and ethos. Thats what needs to be changed. There has always been strong tradition of giving large fortunes to charitable causes. Increasing a lot of PC and net fortunes appear headed that way. Strengthening that impulse in society is a good thing. Public esteem and fame based on charitable works rather than accumulations, houses, etc, needs to be nurtured. Its a matter of social and collective values. I dream of a day when kids grow up wanting to make billions so they can make a transform world health, nutrition, shelter, education, spirituality, the arts, etc. (Some already do). I dread the day if/when all income and estates are capped at some maximum with the largess going to feed a corrupt political system. You still don't understand, the tax is not to feed the political system but as a disincentive to concentrated wealth. Concentrated wealth in the hands of those responsible for creating it is a GREAT thing and should be encourated. Bhairitu, if you tax it, it goes to government which
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And I *do* want to make it clear the progressive tax would work this way: once you had an estate valued at 12 million the progressive tax would kick in. At what rate(s)? At the current 35-60% (aproximate numbers) progressively? Or are you actually suggesting a a 100% tax after 12 million? If so Wow! O to 100% taxataion at 12 million!!! Wow!! Nothing AT ALL progressive about that. Progresive taxes have a long hist ory, NO ONE that I can recall has ever suggesting anthing so draconian. Still, your proposal is far more liberal than current laws that start taxation at just over a million and then tax at 35 to 60 % progressively. In 2006, the estate tax exemption is $2,000,000 per person ($4,000,000 for a married couple) and that's going up to $3,500,000 per person in a few years. The highest rate is 46% (it starts at, I think, about 38%). So its interesting that you want to abolish the current 60% tax on estates over 3-4 million up to 12 million? (I forget what bracket the final highest rate kicks in) I never took you to be such a strong advocate for abolishing the current tax on estates 1-12 mil, and the 60%+ tax on estates ~4-12 million. Ultra liberals never cease to amaze me. Or are you under the delusion that there currently is no estate tax? And ranting about nothing? Smart people would retire probably spend more time one their favorite charities, travel the world etc. I would probably do that at even 4 million. I imagine those that accumulated 12 million are generally smarter than you and will make thier own decisions without the need t o be informed about your personal preferences. Hard to beleive, sad, but true. Or they would continue to work and pump all the post 12 million into charitable trusts. knowing they could do some good things with the money and be more effective than gov't programs. Right now we have people with too much money making bad decisions effecting too many people. Um you sound a bit disgruntled? If the market rules are fair (which they are currently not perfect) what is gained by capping incomes other than throwing water in incentives -- the fuel of innovation. They are not gods. Oh you now sound really disgrungled. Bad experience in the elevator with a snotty exec? Take away their excess wealth and bring them back to reason. Ah, I see. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY Oh man, you can just sense the growing pundit-gap. What is our own Enlighten Administration in America going to do about this gap to protect us? How are the Germans doing this and we can't? What say the American Rajas? Which money is funding this pundit project in Germany? Anybody know? -Doug in Iowa Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2006, the estate tax exemption is $2,000,000 per person ($4,000,000 for a married couple) and that's going up to $3,500,000 per person in a few years. ok. thanks It was 1 or 1.1 mil in 2004 (for single). I thought it was increasing at 100k/yr. They must have accelerated it. The highest rate is 46% (it starts at, I think, about 38%). OK thanks. I was too lazy to look it up. I thought the top rate at 3-5 million approached 60%. guess not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY Oh man, you can just sense the growing pundit-gap. What is our own Enlighten Administration in America going to do about this gap to protect us? How are the Germans doing this and we can't? What say the American Rajas? Which money is funding this pundit project in Germany? Anybody know? -Doug in Iowa I read it twice. Not a mention of visas or cooks, yet. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] LSD champ Leary's wild life
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
This is hilarious. I've got 108 pundits too in my pants! --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is hilarious. I've got 108 pundits too in my pants! --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY You're lucky they're not doing yagyas! Just wait! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Free Saddam Hussein'
Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves.R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus theres much more to come. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Having just read The article linked from here On Timothy Leary I can only imagine That Nimbel Gimbel Is heavily sedated On mind-altering Drugs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: snip Concentrated wealth in the hands of those responsible for creating it is a GREAT thing and should be encourated. Bhairitu, if you tax it, it goes to government which will NOT use it wisely. It WILL be used more wisely by those that create the wealth. History shows that not to be true at all. Most are just greedy bastards who care little about their fellow humanity. People like Bill Gates are a rare exception but as I stated earlier he has always had a mood of detachment from his wealth which I particularly noted in a local Seattle interview with him in 1991. You still don't get that a progressive tax means people won't try to earn another dime if they are going to pay more in taxes. So the government doesn't get anything. They're already wealthy and anything more is just an ego driven power trip. This lets others have more of a chance. I was just reading in the Times about Richard Grasso, who, making $12 million a year, went through all kinds of contortions to obtain his $140 million retirement package. At some point in the accumulation of wealth, money ceases to be a medium of exchange and becomes something entirely different, having to do, as Bhairitu suggests, with ego and power. Your attitude toward it changes in a way that makes it literally impossible to empathize with the person for whom, say, fresh blueberries are a luxury they can't afford. You no longer have to make choices based on what something costs. Money becomes an abstraction with no practical consequences in terms of what you do with it, except those that have to do with how much *more* of this abstraction you are able to accumulate. When rich people talk about money, they're talking about something entirely different from what poor and middle-class people mean when they talk about it. They might as well be on different planets. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 2:34:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In a message dated 6/24/06 11:50:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Do you know of any company that could do what they do better? Yes they are very good at overcharging which is what we've seen from them so far. If you know of anything fraud by Haliburton, then you might call Henry Waxman's office since he has been investigating such charges. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. I already saw a report about two years ago on Frontline that did a fairly good job on documenting it. And I have read numerous articles and have probably signed a petition or two for an investigation into the matter. My brother was a government contractor during the Vietnam error so I have a good idea how things work. ;-) And since you know how things work , you would know that Haliburton's bills will be audited not only by the Pentagon, but also by members of congress and anything out of the ordinary will have to be explained and adjusted if neccassary. Audits? Did the executive order get rescinded? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=1151176428109153 It doesn't say they are there yet, does it? It's kinda vague... Are they fund raising in Germany for them? JohnY Oh man, you can just sense the growing pundit-gap. What is our own Enlighten Administration in America going to do about this gap to protect us? How are the Germans doing this and we can't? What say the American Rajas? Which money is funding this pundit project in Germany? Anybody know? -Doug in Iowa I read it twice. Not a mention of visas or cooks, yet. JohnY Do they have those problems in post-9/11 Germany? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
