[FairfieldLife] A US ARMY OFFICER BRINGS YOGA IN WAR RAVAGED IRAQ
Just after the Muslim evening call to prayers wafts through Baghdad, Maj. Michele Spencer and her students add their own chorus: Om...Om...Om. .. Spencer, a medic training officer with the multinational security transition command in Iraq, teaches soldiers to channel their energy in her yoga class. I believe that I teach with more conscious intention [in Iraq] to create peace and share a space where people can come and be one with their breath away from the cacophony of war, Spencer said . With all that focused intention, I believe the energy synergistically creates healing for all. Two years ago, Spencer began teaching yoga as a personal trainer from her home after studying Ashtanga Yoga, and then Power Vinyasa Flow yoga. Six months ago, when the reservist went to the Green Zone in Iraq with the 9th Brigade, 108th Division out of Charlotte, N.C., she decided the class could provide a calming effect for soldiers facing daily battles with stress. She said at least one other yoga instructor teaches at the embassy. She started teaching four students during her off time. Now, she said, she instructs yoga veterans and newcomers three days a week. Unlike the civil war that is happening outside of the Green Zone, yoga is an inside job affecting the hearts and minds of those who practice with the intention that the energy can transform them and the lives of others, Spencer said. Maybe the answers are right under our nose in a yoga pose: in a sun salute or stretching our tight backs in a downward facing dog. To read this story visit the armytimes website here: http://www.armytimes.com/story. php?f=1-292925- 2436060.php Major Spencer's website is also worth browsing: http://www.baghdadyoga.com/index. html Some snippets from her website: While what we can visually see in war, in conflicts at home or wherever may appear hopeless, I know the instruction and sharing of yoga cultivates positive change---It' s not that we need to withdraw from Baghdad...We need to go within! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] US ARMY OFFICER BRINGS YOGA IN WAR RAVAGED IRAQ
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you see, Lawson, TM supporters must *always* be put down and portrayed as ignorant, etc., whenever they say anything and whatever they say. If there's nothing in context to put them down about, a non sequitur phrased to sound as though it's somehow related to what they said is entirely acceptable. I think that Judy is mistaking her own posting strategy for Vaj's. After all, she has recently become the leading contender in the Display Your Creative Intelligence sweepstakes by spending 21 of her last 22 posts to Fairfield Life doing *nothing* but slamming either Vaj or Barry. It's easy to check -- use the 'Advanced' search feature. In *all but one of her last 22 posts*, Judy chose to reply to posters who had not spoken either to her or about her, to add *no* new infor- mation or content to the topic being discussed, and to spend her entire post slamming either Vaj or me, as part of her campaign to prove us untrustworthy or unreliable or anti-TMers or whatever her name for us is this time. Me, I think that this type of response, devoid of the need for any intellect whatsoever, is part of her program of shilling for the TM movement and selling TM. I think she figures that if she demonstrates that creative intelligence is something *attainable* by the masses, something that they can achieve no matter how stupid or brain-damaged they might be, they'll want to start TM. Therefore, after seeing a demonstration of how creative a 30+-year TMer can be (reacting with a putdown, and adding no new information or thinking to the thread whatsoever), they'll want to rush out and learn how to do it themselves. :-) Either that or she's an angry old bitch who *can't* think of anything interesting to say herself, and thus is limited to replying to others with putdowns. That's all she's capable of in the way of creative intelligence. Oh...pardon me...not all. Her 22nd post was a link to a 25-year-old song by John Lennon. *That* must have strained her intellect. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you suggesting that MMY encourages people to lie.?? Has MMY himself lied directly.?? He has been party to conversations in which his followers were instructed to carry large sums of cash across inter- national borders without reporting it, and thus was one of the parties encouraging them to lie. I have also seen him look someone in the eye (Charlie Lutes) and lie through his teeth as to something that happened the night before that Charlie was pissed off about, shifting the blame to someone else as a way of diverting Charlie's wrath. In other words, Maharishi is a normal human being, with all of the weaknesses and frailities that we all have.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: But you see, Lawson, TM supporters must *always* be put down and portrayed as ignorant, etc., whenever they say anything and whatever they say. If there's nothing in context to put them down about, a non sequitur phrased to sound as though it's somehow related to what they said is entirely acceptable. I think that Judy is mistaking her own posting strategy for Vaj's. After all, she has recently become the leading contender in the Display Your Creative Intelligence sweepstakes by spending 21 of her last 22 posts to Fairfield Life doing *nothing* but slamming either Vaj or Barry. Mea culpa. I should have said 20 of her last 21 posts. The 22nd, back on December 18th, did contain some information related to the thread, and nary a putdown. I may not be able to count, but at least I can think of something to say on a topic that comes up here that isn't just a rote putdown. :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Laws Of Nature
From a friend, passed along for your amusement: The three laws of thermodynamics are explained in several places in Wikipedia: 1. Conservation of energy. In any process, the total energy of the universe remains constant. 2. Entropy. The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value. 3. Absolute zero temperature. As temperature approaches absolute zero, the entropy of a system approaches a constant. Anonymous restatement of the three laws: 1. You can't get anything without working for it. 2. The most you can accomplish by working is to break even. 3. You can only break even at absolute zero. Restatement of the three laws, attributed to Allen Ginsberg: 1. You can't win. 2. You can't break even. 3. You can't get out of the game. A corollary to Ginsberg's Laws, by someone named Freeman, every major philosophy that attempts to make life seem meaningful is based on the negation of one part of Ginsberg's Theorem: 1. Capitalism is based on the assumption that you can win. 2. Socialism is based on the assumption that you can break even. 3. Mysticism is based on the assumption that you can get out of the game. For your continued amusement, here is an 11-year-old web page with a collection of observed and restated laws of the universe: http://www.chem.leeds.ac.uk/ICAMS/people/jon/bits/laws.html http://tinyurl.com/yb3sfa I'm especially fond of Hlade's Law, Churchill's Commentary, and the Heineken Uncertainty Principle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahabharat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who will make the most expensive movie of all time, at 500 million dollars? It should be done. Either that or one could make 71,428 films like Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi. That film was made on a budget of $7,000, and remains one of the tightest and most entertaining films of the last twenty years.
[FairfieldLife] Where do the unawakened go when they die?
As anyone reading this is back walking around in a body, where did you go the last time you dropped your body?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Either that or she's an angry old bitch who *can't* think of anything interesting to say herself, and thus is limited to replying to others with putdowns. That's all she's capable of in the way of creative intelligence. What? Our bull dyke editor?! Maybe we should've gotten her an editor for X-mas. Oh...pardon me...not all. Her 22nd post was a link to a 25-year-old song by John Lennon. *That* must have strained her intellect. :-) I always thought she was a strainer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
In a message dated 12/28/06 1:37:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also in La Antilla a Jew asked M if it was ok not to bow before Guru Dev at the end of the Puja because it was a sin for a Jew to bow to anybody but God. M said you have sinned all your life , what is one more? I think he just wants to hear what he wants to hear regardless of the facts. Yes, that is correct, but if you were there it was pushed well beyond this, remember? What you mention was just the first part of the conversation. There was a whole lot more! I was there. Honestly don't remember what was said beyond that point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
I like that - Comsic Kali Yuga Coyote Thanks also for the post on the Self being outside of experience and in fact not even contained by the universe. The variety of ways to describe all this is good, and you seem to do a fine job of making it as comprehensible as is possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this context that was what MMY said. It's for you to chew on and to facilitate your own realization. MMY is a huge cosmic paradox. Don't stick him in a waking state conceptual box. He's a cosmic kali yuga coyote. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do the unawakened go when they die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As anyone reading this is back walking around in a body, where did you go the last time you dropped your body? Florida. I was obviously sold a bill of goods by some unscrupulous travel agent in the Bardo, who led me to expect something more there than I found. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where do the unawakened go when they die?
--- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As anyone reading this is back walking around in a body, where did you go the last time you dropped your body? Montana, you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
If ya think about it, what else could you call him? I can't deny his cosmic side because of direct experiences and I can't deny his wacky relative side either. Like God being the village idiot. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like that - Comsic Kali Yuga Coyote Thanks also for the post on the Self being outside of experience and in fact not even contained by the universe. The variety of ways to describe all this is good, and you seem to do a fine job of making it as comprehensible as is possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this context that was what MMY said. It's for you to chew on and to facilitate your own realization. MMY is a huge cosmic paradox. Don't stick him in a waking state conceptual box. He's a cosmic kali yuga coyote. snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/28/06 1:37:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also in La Antilla a Jew asked M if it was ok not to bow before Guru Dev at the end of the Puja because it was a sin for a Jew to bow to anybody but God. M said you have sinned all your life , what is one more? I think he just wants to hear what he wants to hear regardless of the facts. Yes, that is correct, but if you were there it was pushed well beyond this, remember? What you mention was just the first part of the conversation. There was a whole lot more! I was there. Honestly don't remember what was said beyond that point. After MMY made that stupid crack about sinning the guy refused to sit down and told MMY that he would not accept that answer. He kept on pushing and MMY became more and more cavalier and dismissive. Then all the lights went out for a few minutes and MMY joked about stress release. The lights came back on the guy at the mic was crying, but would not budge. It was getting very, very uncomfortable for everybody. The discomfort reached some sort of a peak, like a fever breaking and then MMY completely shifted. His whole demeanor changed and he said, All right and turned and looked at the guy and then went on to give a beautiful talk about devotion, completely satisfying the guys question. When MMY had finished, the guy at the mic asked if the tape of MMY's answer could be played at every TTC. And MMY said, No. When you dig for water and get oil, you will not appreciate it and just throw it away. A rather amazing night with Maharishi, the cosmic coyote kali yuga guru, on a cool evening in LaAntilla, Spain in early December 34 years ago. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO course acceptance made easy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/27/06 6:23:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you suggesting that MMY encourages people to lie.?? Has MMY himself lied directly.?? Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:39:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TMO course acceptance made easy On my TTC (LaAntilla 1972) someone asked MMY about the two week without drugs requirement for starting TM in regard to its difficulty with heroin addicts. MMY asked all of us if we thought the 2 week requirement was okay and we all said yes. Then the questioner said how difficult it was for herion addicts to go stright that long and MMY said, and I quote, Teach your friend a lesson in lying. Also in La Antilla a Jew asked M if it was ok not to bow before Guru Dev at the end of the Puja because it was a sin for a Jew to bow to anybody but God. M said you have sinned all your life , what is one more? I think he just wants to hear what he wants to hear regardless of the facts. Or he was making a point. Besides, if it is a requirement of Jews never to bow before anyone but God, then no Jew could approach a king, and no Jew could visit Japan save as the most obnoxioius tourist. And no Japanese person could ever convert to judaism without renouncing his entire cultural tradition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: But you see, Lawson, TM supporters must *always* be put down and portrayed as ignorant, etc., whenever they say anything and whatever they say. If there's nothing in context to put them down about, a non sequitur phrased to sound as though it's somehow related to what they said is entirely acceptable. I think that Judy is mistaking her own posting strategy for Vaj's. After all, she has recently become the leading contender in the Display Your Creative Intelligence sweepstakes by spending 21 of her last 22 posts to Fairfield Life doing *nothing* but slamming either Vaj or Barry. Mea culpa. I should have said 20 of her last 21 posts. The 22nd, back on December 18th, did contain some information related to the thread, and nary a putdown. I may not be able to count, but at least I can think of something to say on a topic that comes up here that isn't just a rote putdown. :-) Of course, the question arises: why do you bother to count?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: But you see, Lawson, TM supporters must *always* be put down and portrayed as ignorant, etc., whenever they say anything and whatever they say. If there's nothing in context to put them down about, a non sequitur phrased to sound as though it's somehow related to what they said is entirely acceptable. I think that Judy is mistaking her own posting strategy for Vaj's. After all, she has recently become the leading contender in the Display Your Creative Intelligence sweepstakes spending 21 of her last 22 posts to Fairfield Life doing *nothing* but slamming either Vaj or Barry. Gosh, wonder if any of the posts I was replying to were dumping on TMers or MMY or the TMO. Did you check that out, Barry? Is this, in fact, my posting strategy, or my strategy for responding to *your* posting strategy? And were all the posts actually *slamming* you and/or Vaj? Or were some of them simply pointing out problems with your facts or logic? Did you check *that* out, Barry? Or is it that, in your mind, anyone who dares to note such problems is slamming you? It's easy to check -- use the 'Advanced' search feature. In *all but one her last 22 posts*, Judy chose to reply to posters who had not spoken either to her or about her, to add *no* new infor- mation or content to the topic being discussed One might make a case that pointing out why a given assertion doesn't make sense *does* add new information or content to the topic being discussed. Like my response to this from Vaj, for example, the context being an implicit criticism of MMY and TM: Whether Buddhist, Hindu or Bon, the classical path of meditation is a snare and a delusion when attachment to it becomes obsessive and it becomes an end in itself. Must be why MMY always says, Meditate, then forget you meditated and plunge into action, huh? Is this what you'd call slamming Vaj without, adding any new content to the discussion, Barry? Or how about when I pointed out to you and Vaj that Vastu was not artificial, as you had claimed, but was attuned to the natural rhythms of the system rather than to local features on the ground? Why do I get the feeling that Barry's tirade here is a function of his frustration at his and Vaj's inability to slam MMY/TM/TMers without having their errors of fact and logic noted? Either that or she's an angry old bitch who *can't* think of anything interesting to say herself, and thus is limited to replying to others with putdowns. That's all she's capable of in the way of creative intelligence. Mmm-hmm. I'm sure all the people who read my posts would agree with you that I never have anything interesting to say myself and post nothing but putdowns. Oh...pardon me...not all. Her 22nd post was a link to a 25-year-old song by John Lennon. *That* must have strained her intellect. :-) Actually, that was the angry old bitch's holiday greeting to everyone here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Either that or she's an angry old bitch who *can't* think of anything interesting to say herself, and thus is limited to replying to others with putdowns. That's all she's capable of in the way of creative intelligence. What? Our bull dyke editor?! Maybe we should've gotten her an editor for X-mas. Oh...pardon me...not all. Her 22nd post was a link to a 25-year-old song by John Lennon. *That* must have strained her intellect. :-) I always thought she was a strainer. Ah, the enlightened souls that frequent this forum...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Either that or she's an angry old bitch who *can't* think of anything interesting to say herself, and thus is limited to replying to others with putdowns. That's all she's capable of in the way of creative intelligence. What? Our bull dyke editor?! Oh, so now I'm not only Jewish, but a bull dyke as well? Is that what Barry means by adding new information or content to the topic under discussion? (As opposed to a slam, of course.)
[FairfieldLife] Time Machine (Part 1)
To All Members: About 40 years ago there was movie about a time machine, based on a novel by HG Wells(?), in which the main character traveled through time to the distant future. Without physically moving from his original position, he was able to witness the appearance of an innocent, beautiful group of people, called the Elois, who seemingly enjoyed the bounties of the earth. Nonetheless, the story would unfold that these Elois were actually being raised as a sacrifice to feed a demonic and subterranean species residing in a monolithic stone compound (somewhat like the Mayan pyramid in the recent movie, Apocalypto). We can interpret this story to mean that the demonic species are those people who become bound by the three modes of nature. The Elois are the innocent children of today who are sacrificed by the demonic people to gain their gain their material desires. These sacrifrices are made through made in various ways, e.g. wars, poverty, crime, abortions and many others. Does anyone else have an interpretation of this story? Regards, John R.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time Machine (Part 1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All Members: About 40 years ago there was movie about a time machine, based on a novel by HG Wells(?), in which the main character traveled through time to the distant future. Without physically moving from his original position, he was able to witness the appearance of an innocent, beautiful group of people, called the Elois, who seemingly enjoyed the bounties of the earth. Nonetheless, the story would unfold that these Elois were actually being raised as a sacrifice to feed a demonic and subterranean species residing in a monolithic stone compound (somewhat like the Mayan pyramid in the recent movie, Apocalypto). We can interpret this story to mean that the demonic species are those people who become bound by the three modes of nature. The Elois are the innocent children of today who are sacrificed by the demonic people to gain their gain their material desires. These sacrifrices are made through made in various ways, e.g. wars, poverty, crime, abortions and many others. Does anyone else have an interpretation of this story? Uh, it could have had something to do with putting bread on the table of a writer named Herbert George Wells, back in 1894. Wells was paid the princely sum of 100 pounds to write it in serial form for the New Review. His inspiration was political, not spiritual. Wells was an avid socialist, and stated clearly that his vision of the future was what he saw as the inevitable outcome of class warfare within the capitalistic system. He also set his tale of the Eloi and the Morlocks in A.D. 802,701, so it was nothing he foresaw happening anytime soon. But, as with any well-told tale, the reader can project whatever mythology he wants onto it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time Machine (Part 1)
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All Members: About 40 years ago there was movie about a time machine, based on a novel by HG Wells(?), in which the main character traveled through time to the distant future. Without physically moving from his original position, he was able to witness the appearance of an innocent, beautiful group of people, called the Elois, who seemingly enjoyed the bounties of the earth. Nonetheless, the story would unfold that these Elois were actually being raised as a sacrifice to feed a demonic and subterranean species residing in a monolithic stone compound (somewhat like the Mayan pyramid in the recent movie, Apocalypto). We can interpret this story to mean that the demonic species are those people who become bound by the three modes of nature. The Elois are the innocent children of today who are sacrificed by the demonic people to gain their gain their material desires. These sacrifrices are made through made in various ways, e.g. wars, poverty, crime, abortions and many others. Does anyone else have an interpretation of this story? Uh, it could have had something to do with putting bread on the table of a writer named Herbert George Wells, back in 1894. Wells was paid the princely sum of 100 pounds to write it in serial form for the New Review. His inspiration was political, not spiritual. Wells was an avid socialist, and stated clearly that his vision of the future was what he saw as the inevitable outcome of class warfare within the capitalistic system. He also set his tale of the Eloi and the Morlocks in A.D. 802,701, so it was nothing he foresaw happening anytime soon. But, as with any well-told tale, the reader can project whatever mythology he wants onto it. I also like the analysis that Alan Watt gives to Well's motivations in his talks on his site: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html Fun Masonic conspiracy stuff and some of the MP3's contain some thoughts on the TM movement too.
[FairfieldLife] A fun holiday video
Here is a silly little holiday video I put up on YouTube recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yNYsJfJOA This was done using iClone which is a program I have mentioned before on the list. Happy Holidays! Yozzle
[FairfieldLife] Scottish High Road
Good news! As from today full TM teaching activities have returned to Scotland, although not to the rest of mainland UK.
[FairfieldLife] International orders
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A fun holiday video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a silly little holiday video I put up on YouTube recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yNYsJfJOA This was done using iClone which is a program I have mentioned before on the list. Happy Holidays! Yozzle Yozzletov!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
---Thanks, excellent essay...true, that's one side of the coin ... (many Gurus are one-sided 100 percenters. We can name them: Ramana Maharshi, HWL Poonja, Gangaji, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and a whole horde of contemporary Neo-Advaitins who only talk about the Self and nothing else. OTOH, the 200 percenters are into BOTH relative benefits AND Self- Realization. Andrew Cohen, although a devotee of HWL Poonja, broke with him somewhat, coming up with his Evolutionary Consciousness. MMY is fully in the 200% camp, with his emphasis on Heaven on Earth, although implementation falls short of aspiration. Sri Aurobindo would be a 200% Guru since he emphasized a type of Superman existence, a clear evolutionary progression beyond mere Enlightenment. Some Buddhist Gurus are 100%ers while others are more evolutionary. The whole spectrum of Progressivism straddles both of the 100% viewpoints. E.G. Wilber is a Progressivist for the most part but I see nothing in his writings about Heaven on Earth. The 100%ers believe that Heaven on Earth is a RESULT of enough people getting Enlightened. 200%ers have additional techniques and approaches beyond meditation, such as Yagyas, which they taut as supposed solutions to relative problems. To conclude, what you say is true, but that's only the 100% viewpoint. I'm in the 200% School, ...not that I'm and expert yet, but that's my viewpoint. FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--The discussion below separates the They from relative experience, something the Dalai Lama never does. From a Buddhist perspective, there's just existence. According to Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment awakens people to the Real nature of existence; but there's no philosophical separation between supposed two identities. Any such discussion is only from the viewpoint of cc. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Indian hospital goes vastu
India: Hospital to be renovated according to Vastu by by M Roushan Ali The Asian AgeTranslate This Article New Delhi, India 28 December 2006 On 28 December 2006 The Asian Age reported: A government hospital in Andhra Pradesh will be renovated according to Vastu [architectural principles of proper orientation and construction of buildings] after Vastu experts informed health authorities that the poor recovery rate of the child patients has a lot to do with the wrong Vastu. Global Good News service views this news as a sign of rising positivity in the field of health, documenting the growth of life-supporting, evolutionary trends. The experts told health authorities that the chief reason for an unprecedented 1500 deaths of children in the Niloufer Hospital this year could be due to wrong Vastu, including the closure of the northeast corner of the hospitalan invitation to the God of Death (Yama) and an entry gate on the northwest side, which creates instability. Hospital authorities assert that it would be worth the expense to correct the Vastu of the hospital if it would mean saving more lives. They are willing to demolish portions of the hospital and make any necessary changes to improve the Vastu. According to the Asian Age, Vastu expert Gouru Tirupathi Reddy feels that much of modern construction is weakened by bad Vastu. The director of medication education noted that other problems such as inadequate medical equipment, staff, and beds must also be taken into consideration for the improvement of hospital care. Global Good New comments: Vastu Vidya of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda®Vedic Architecture in harmony with Natural Lawdetails Nature's own timeless laws of structuring or building which maintain every particle in creation in perfect harmony with everything else. Thus Maharishi Sthapatya Veda is the world's most ancient and complete system of architecture and planning. It takes into account the influences of sun, moon, stars and planets with reference to north and south poles and the equator. Homes, offices and communities designed and built according to Maharishi Sthapatya Veda therefore connect individual life with Cosmic Life, individual intelligence with Cosmic Intelligence, optimizing both the close and distant positive environmental influences on the individual. Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality of life dawning in the world and highlights the need for introducing Natural Law basedTotal Knowledge basedprogrammes to bring the support of Nature to every individual, raise the quality of life of every society, and create a lasting state of world peace. Copyright © 2006 Global Good News(sm) Service.
[FairfieldLife] Canucks to get 1K pundits
Leading Vedic Temples in Canada support the arrival of 1,000 Vedic Pandits by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 28 December 2006 The leading Vedic Temples in Toronto, Oakville, Hamilton, and Montreal have come forward to express their support in bringing 1,000 Vedic Pandits from India to Canada, to create Instant Invincibility. The Honourable Dr Clarence Cormier, former Minister of Education for the Province of New Brunswick, and Director of Maharishi International Academy of World Peace, has created a Vedic Association for an Invincible Canada with seven temples. The seven temples are: Hindu Heritage Centre, Mississauga, Ontario Shiv Mandir Temple, Niagara Falls, Ontario Lakshmi Narayan Temple, Toronto, Ontario Vaishno Devi Temple, Oakville, Ontario Hindu Samaj Temple, Hamilton, Ontario Hindu Temple of Quebec, Montreal, Quebec Thiru Murugan Temple, Montreal, Quebec The Immigration Ministry is organizing for the welcome of the Vedic Pandits to Canada in about two months from now. The Pandits will perform the time-honored traditional procedures prescribed by the ancient Vedic Literature to avert any misfortune for the nation. Each day these Vedic Pandits will practise Yoga Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme including Yogic Flyingand Yagya the performance of traditional recitation of Vedic Sounds. The resolution of their Vedic recitation will be for the invincibility of Canada, which will be fulfilled through the performance of Yagyas. The Vedic Pandits' daily performance of Yagyas will produce an indomitable influence of peace and positivity in the whole nation, which according to the Vedic Literature will disallow negative or destructive tendencies from arising anywhere in the country. (Visit page http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/06- aug/india3.html for further information on the peace-creating power of groups of Vedic Pandits.) Copyright © 2006 Global Good News(sm) Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do the unawakened go when they die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As anyone reading this is back walking around in a body, where did you go the last time you dropped your body? One of Patanjali's sutras not taught by the TMO is for knowing past lives, so this knowledge is certainly doable, and the Vedic lit is full of sages who recalled all their past lives. Apparently going to hell first (and heaven afterwards, before rebirth on earth) when you die is a good thing, as it means that your life was predominately good -- people who go to heaven first spend a longer time in hell (s) ): 18. By perceiving the impressions, (comes) the knowledge of past life. Each experience that we have, comes in the form of a wave in the Chitta, and this subsides and becomes finer and finer, but is never lost. It remains there in minute form, and if we can bring this wave up again, it becomes memory. So, if the Yogi can make a Samyama on these past impressions in the mind, he will begin to remember all his past lives. http://www.yoga-age.com/sutras/pata3.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time Machine (Part 1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All Members: About 40 years ago there was movie about a time machine, based on a novel by HG Wells(?), in which the main character traveled through time to the distant future. Without physically moving from his original position, he was able to witness the appearance of an innocent, beautiful group of people, called the Elois, who seemingly enjoyed the bounties of the earth. Nonetheless, the story would unfold that these Elois were actually being raised as a sacrifice to feed a demonic and subterranean species residing in a monolithic stone compound (somewhat like the Mayan pyramid in the recent movie, Apocalypto). We can interpret this story to mean that the demonic species are those people who become bound by the three modes of nature. The Elois are the innocent children of today who are sacrificed by the demonic people to gain their gain their material desires. These sacrifrices are made through made in various ways, e.g. wars, poverty, crime, abortions and many others. Does anyone else have an interpretation of this story? Uh, it could have had something to do with putting bread on the table of a writer named Herbert George Wells, back in 1894. Wells was paid the princely sum of 100 pounds to write it in serial form for the New Review. His inspiration was political, not spiritual. Wells was an avid socialist, and stated clearly that his vision of the future was what he saw as the inevitable outcome of class warfare within the capitalistic system. He also set his tale of the Eloi and the Morlocks in A.D. 802,701, so it was nothing he foresaw happening anytime soon. But, as with any well-told tale, the reader can project whatever mythology he wants onto it. I wouldn't look to Wells for much in the way of an enlightened viewpoint on the future of mankind. Wells was pretty much a nutcase who prefigured the Nazi death camps: Speaking prophetically of the year 2000, Wells claimed his World State would begin, as he put it, with a great federation of white English-speaking peoples. The British empire would join with the other English-speaking countries such as the United States. Together, they would possess at least a hundred million sound-bodied and educated and capable men. That military power would dictate a world union dominated by English-speaking whites. Substitute German-speaking Aryans for English-speaking whites and you have Nazism's ultimate dream. But the similarities do not end there. Wells's noted that his World State would pay particular attention to how Jews adapted to the new order. According to Wells: If the Jew has a certain incurable tendency to social parasitism, and we make social parasitism impossible, we shall abolish the Jew; and if he has not, there is no need to abolish the Jew. There is a difference between Wells's 'change or die' and Nazism's blunter 'die,' but the difference is not that great. On the matter of population control, similarities abound. Nazi Germany targeted the Slavs of Eastern Europe for abortion, birth control and other means of population limitation. Wells's scheme offered the same idea on a far vaster scale. In the Southern States of the United States, he warned, the nigger squats and multiplies. Together with the whites of urban slums, such people constitute stagnant ponds of population that must be drained. He went still further. In words that cannot be misunderstood, he made it clear that the World State would adopt a brutal population policy. To the multiplying rejected of the white and yellow civilisations there will have been added a vast proportion of the black and brown races, and collectively those masses will propound the general question, What will you do with us, we hundreds of millions who cannot keep pace with you? Wells's plans for the great bulk of the black and brown races were like those he had for Southern blacks and the white underclass. He intended to get rid of them by preventing them from having children by various schemes. Imagine hundreds of millions of people waiting passively for their fate to be decided by a select few and you get a hint of the totalitarian terror behind his World State. http://tinyurl.com/ydac2u
[FairfieldLife] kRSNa-yajur-veda: paahi, paahi, paahi!?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A fun holiday video
On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a silly little holiday video I put up on YouTube recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yNYsJfJOA This was done using iClone which is a program I have mentioned before on the list. Happy Holidays! Yozzle Yozzletov! Yoz'chaim!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
I don't fully undersdtand your post. What are the two identities that you are talking about? --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The discussion below separates the They from relative experience, something the Dalai Lama never does. From a Buddhist perspective, there's just existence. According to Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment awakens people to the Real nature of existence; but there's no philosophical separation between supposed two identities. Any such discussion is only from the viewpoint of cc. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahabharat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Who will make the most expensive movie of all time, at 500 million dollars? It should be done. Either that or one could make 71,428 films like Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi. That film was made on a budget of $7,000, and remains one of the tightest and most entertaining films of the last twenty years. Yea, but I want an epic. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahabharat
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Who will make the most expensive movie of all time, at 500 million dollars? It should be done. Either that or one could make 71,428 films like Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi. That film was made on a budget of $7,000, and remains one of the tightest and most entertaining films of the last twenty years. Yea, but I want an epic. OffWorld There was an Indian TV series made around 1988 (94 episodes). You can find it on DVD at your local Indian grocery or on Amazon. There is also the Peter Brooks 6 hour version on DVD. As for your high budget epic it wouldn't pay off. There is no market for it. I agree with Barry as I would prefer to see small films funded. Though maybe a little a digit or two more of a budget.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahabharat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Who will make the most expensive movie of all time, at 500 million dollars? It should be done. Either that or one could make 71,428 films like Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi. That film was made on a budget of $7,000, and remains one of the tightest and most entertaining films of the last twenty years. Yea, but I want an epic. OffWorld There was an Indian TV series made around 1988 (94 episodes). You can find it on DVD at your local Indian grocery or on Amazon. There is also the Peter Brooks 6 hour version on DVD. Yes, I saw them. I quite liked the Brookes version. As for your high budget epic it wouldn't pay off. There is no market for it. That is what they said about Lord of the Rings for decades. I agree with Barry as I would prefer to see small films funded. Though maybe a little a digit or two more of a budget. There are tons of great small budget films and they are not easy to fund. That is what makes them so great. If they were funded so much everyone would be competing for the money instead of focusing on the movie art. The system works fine the way it is. Passionate people will always find a way to make great low budget movies. But we do need a 500 million dollar Mahabharata. It would be awesome, if they made it palatable for modern audiences. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you Know
---Hi Mark - Gary A. from L.A. .. Yes, I still use Scientology techniques, but not from the Dianetics book. Hubbard wrote another, lesser known, but more valuable book, in which he discusses mock-ups. I use such mock-ups on a daily basis, along with the chanting of mantras. Helps at work. You may recall that discussion we had on Scientology, after walking back from the Hare Krishna Temple in 1974. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone here know anyone who went from the practise of Scientolgy into TM and if so what were the results and reasons? Mark
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
---Thanks, yes; the two identities are conceptual. One can talk about The Self, meaning or referring to one of the two aspects of Brahman that MMY refers to; the other identity being relative existence in itself. Of course, as MMY points out, the two are One; but we can TALK about pure Consciousness In Itself as did Aristotle; without even bringing up relative considerations, such as: By way of a question, if you are meditating, is it OK to have rats nibble on your toes and live in freezing temperatures, OR, would you rather live in a relative paradise. Relative matters such as good health, clean environment, etc; are matters of importance among the 200 percent Gurus, but of no special importance among the 100 percenters. The latter believe that through Enlightenment, one can ultimately be TAKEN AWAY from suffering, i.e. separated out; whereas the 200 percenters wish to become Enlightened AND at the same time live in a relative Paradise. Also, the 100 percenters are more likely to chose option #1 as opposed to #3, as an ultimate goal (discused in a previous string): After Enlightenment, one can 1. Dissolve like a drop in the ocean of Being, with no finite, relative existence. 2. Choose not to make a choice, or 3. Live somewhere, in some realm, with a relative body perhaps for the purpose of helping others. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't fully undersdtand your post. What are the two identities that you are talking about? --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The discussion below separates the They from relative experience, something the Dalai Lama never does. From a Buddhist perspective, there's just existence. According to Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment awakens people to the Real nature of existence; but there's no philosophical separation between supposed two identities. Any such discussion is only from the viewpoint of cc. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahabharat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Who will make the most expensive movie of all time, at 500 million dollars? Been there, comrade, done that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Peace_(1968_film)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
It took a while, but it just occurred to me how different awakening is from what we are looking for. We think we are looking for eternal life for the self when the body dies. Instead what really happpens in Awakening is the oppposite: the self dies ( or the notion of what the self is dies) while the body is alive and goes on living for a while longer. On a related note: a totally western, traditional psychiatrist told me the other day that the sense of self is really just an amazingly quick data sweep of the different activities in the brain, giving rise to illusion of a self in control of things. Pretty nice description, especilaly coming form the neurscientist perspective on the mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris: -- LA Times
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Peter wrote: I don't fully undersdtand your post. What are the two identities that you are talking about? Superman and Clark Kent? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
---thanks for your interesting comments. Bodily death is the present status of the situation, for the vast majority of people; but not necessarily the case for many in the future. (google Rainbow Light Body)(the translated immortal, celestial physical body; of which there appears to be two variations: a. The body shrivels to leftover clothes and a few teeth laying around, while the components of the body return as dissipated energy and elements into the environment. b. The Great Transference, in which bodily death is totally overcome, and the body is translated into a Celestial realm before physical death. According to tradition, Padma Sambhava is reputed to have attained (b). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took a while, but it just occurred to me how different awakening is from what we are looking for. We think we are looking for eternal life for the self when the body dies. Instead what really happpens in Awakening is the oppposite: the self dies ( or the notion of what the self is dies) while the body is alive and goes on living for a while longer. On a related note: a totally western, traditional psychiatrist told me the other day that the sense of self is really just an amazingly quick data sweep of the different activities in the brain, giving rise to illusion of a self in control of things. Pretty nice description, especilaly coming form the neurscientist perspective on the mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Fischer wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? Let's see, I guess many of the boomers here are getting older (I'd guess *all* the boomers here are getting older...and most likely all the nonboomers as well.) so death takes on a more important position in the consciousness? I recently turned sixty myself. :) Some of the more metaphysical scientists think that are atoms that consist of the soul scatter and some are caught by creatures in the womb and thus is why we may have some sense of reincarnation. However if there really is a causal body then then it is possible that a person might travel on to higher worlds. Finally we must also determine what you mean by awakened? In moksha or liberation by Indian philosophy you just merge again with the divine. I'm not much into scholasticism but I bet this topic will be beat to death here. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Another article by Sam Harris on the truth and utility of religion.:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took a while, but it just occurred to me how different awakening is from what we are looking for. We think we are looking for eternal life for the self when the body dies. Instead what really happpens in Awakening is the oppposite: the self dies ( or the notion of what the self is dies) while the body is alive and goes on living for a while longer. On a related note: a totally western, traditional psychiatrist told me the other day that the sense of self is really just an amazingly quick data sweep of the different activities in the brain, giving rise to illusion of a self in control of things. Pretty nice description, especilaly coming form the neurscientist perspective on the mind. **Snip to end The 'data sweep' concept (above) is a very appealing way of understanding how there can even be a 'small' self and how pure consciousness (as 'attention') creates the notion of an ego/self by putting attention on an object (another notion), and thereby manifests a triad of knower/known/knowing. The whole world emerges immediately from nothing. And just as completely, vanishes when attention is withdrawn. Kind of like the sweep of the band on a radar scope (. . . you know, like they always show on the submarines in the movies). Suppose you had a headache and you get rid of it by taking some medicine, you then remain what you were originally; the headache is like the illusion that the body is the self; it disappears when the medicine called self-enquiry is administered. (Ramana Maharshi)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took a while, but it just occurred to me how different awakening is from what we are looking for. We think we are looking for eternal life for the self when the body dies. Instead what really happpens in Awakening is the oppposite: the self dies ( or the notion of what the self is dies) while the body is alive and goes on living for a while longer. On a related note: a totally western, traditional psychiatrist told me the other day that the sense of self is really just an amazingly quick data sweep of the different activities in the brain, giving rise to illusion of a self in control of things. Pretty nice description, especilaly coming form the neurscientist perspective on the mind. Perfect! :-) And the amazingly quick data sweep continues once the self is Awake-- the difference being that after Awakening, the amazingly quick data sweep is for the purpose of establishing a context for relative functioning only, whereas before Awakening, the amazingly quick data sweep is also in order to re-establish our (false) identity. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Canucks to get 1K pundits
I wonder if that support is anything more than symbolic ie will these temples actively help to organize intitial housing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leading Vedic Temples in Canada support the arrival of 1,000 Vedic Pandits by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 28 December 2006 The leading Vedic Temples in Toronto, Oakville, Hamilton, and Montreal have come forward to express their support in bringing 1,000 Vedic Pandits from India to Canada, to create Instant Invincibility. The Honourable Dr Clarence Cormier, former Minister of Education for the Province of New Brunswick, and Director of Maharishi International Academy of World Peace, has created a Vedic Association for an Invincible Canada with seven temples. The seven temples are: Hindu Heritage Centre, Mississauga, Ontario Shiv Mandir Temple, Niagara Falls, Ontario Lakshmi Narayan Temple, Toronto, Ontario Vaishno Devi Temple, Oakville, Ontario Hindu Samaj Temple, Hamilton, Ontario Hindu Temple of Quebec, Montreal, Quebec Thiru Murugan Temple, Montreal, Quebec The Immigration Ministry is organizing for the welcome of the Vedic Pandits to Canada in about two months from now. The Pandits will perform the time-honored traditional procedures prescribed by the ancient Vedic Literature to avert any misfortune for the nation. Each day these Vedic Pandits will practise Yoga Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme including Yogic Flyingand Yagya the performance of traditional recitation of Vedic Sounds. The resolution of their Vedic recitation will be for the invincibility of Canada, which will be fulfilled through the performance of Yagyas. The Vedic Pandits' daily performance of Yagyas will produce an indomitable influence of peace and positivity in the whole nation, which according to the Vedic Literature will disallow negative or destructive tendencies from arising anywhere in the country. (Visit page http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/06- aug/india3.html for further information on the peace-creating power of groups of Vedic Pandits.) Copyright © 2006 Global Good News(sm) Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Canucks to get 1K pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if that support is anything more than symbolic ie will these temples actively help to organize intitial housing. 'Support' in this context usually means fundraising... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Leading Vedic Temples in Canada support the arrival of 1,000 Vedic Pandits by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 28 December 2006 The leading Vedic Temples in Toronto, Oakville, Hamilton, and Montreal have come forward to express their support in bringing 1,000 Vedic Pandits from India to Canada, to create Instant Invincibility. The Honourable Dr Clarence Cormier, former Minister of Education for the Province of New Brunswick, and Director of Maharishi International Academy of World Peace, has created a Vedic Association for an Invincible Canada with seven temples. The seven temples are: Hindu Heritage Centre, Mississauga, Ontario Shiv Mandir Temple, Niagara Falls, Ontario Lakshmi Narayan Temple, Toronto, Ontario Vaishno Devi Temple, Oakville, Ontario Hindu Samaj Temple, Hamilton, Ontario Hindu Temple of Quebec, Montreal, Quebec Thiru Murugan Temple, Montreal, Quebec The Immigration Ministry is organizing for the welcome of the Vedic Pandits to Canada in about two months from now. The Pandits will perform the time-honored traditional procedures prescribed by the ancient Vedic Literature to avert any misfortune for the nation. Each day these Vedic Pandits will practise Yoga Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme including Yogic Flyingand Yagya the performance of traditional recitation of Vedic Sounds. The resolution of their Vedic recitation will be for the invincibility of Canada, which will be fulfilled through the performance of Yagyas. The Vedic Pandits' daily performance of Yagyas will produce an indomitable influence of peace and positivity in the whole nation, which according to the Vedic Literature will disallow negative or destructive tendencies from arising anywhere in the country. (Visit page http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/06- aug/india3.html for further information on the peace-creating power of groups of Vedic Pandits.) Copyright © 2006 Global Good News(sm) Service.
