[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This from a friend on Mother Divine:


> Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on 
> Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't 
> pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. 

A ray of hope, perhaps one day he will admit to not
knowing the mechanics of natures functioning at all
and the TMO can stop pretending something ineffable
has occured when it rains a bit harder than usual.

Funny that the chief sponsor of all this "coherence"
has his own petrochemical company. How AofE is that?
Are they planning to phase it out in favour of solar
power anytime soon?

[FairfieldLife] 'Intensification of Indra & Agni on West Coast' (as well as Vaiyoo Veda...)

[R.G.]

800 Lightning-Sparked Fires Stretch Crews Thin
Sacramento Valley Covered In Thick Haze
 Real-Time Air Quality Conditions
 Lightning Storm Takes Out CBS13 Camera
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) ¯ More than 800 wildfires sparked by 
an "unprecedented" lightning storm burned a swath of Northern 
California from Big Sur to wine country to Humboldt County on Monday.

Thousands of firefighters battled the blazes on the ground and from 
the air and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was alarmed by the 
number of fires that kept erupting.

"You can imagine how shocked I was yesterday when I got my briefings 
(Sunday) night and I was told that we have 520 fires all over the 
state of California," he said.

"So it was quite shocking to me, only to find out this morning that 
that number has actually gone up to 700 and some fires."

Moments later, a top state fire official standing at Schwarzenegger's 
side offered a grim update: The figure was actually 842 fires, said 
Del Walters, assistant regional chief of the California Department of 
Forestry and Fire Protection. All but a couple were in the northern 
part of the state.

"This is an unprecedented lightning storm in California, that it 
lasted as long as it did, 5,000 to 6,000 lightning strikes," Walters 
said. "We are finding fires all the time."

Schwarzenegger said he had enlisted the help of firefighters from 
Nevada and Oregon, "because you can never prepare for 500 or 700 or 
800 fires all at the same time."

Part of the reason for the swelling number of wildfires was that 
local and state officials were still counting after the fierce 
thunderstorm Friday night touched off blazes.

"We didn't get real lucky with this lighting storm," Walters 
said. "It wasn't predicted -- which often happens with these storms 
that come in off the Pacific, there's no history of the weather as it 
approaches the shore -- and so we got hammered."

In Mendocino County alone there were 110 fires, with just 17 
contained.

Two of the biggest fires had each charred nearly 6 square miles.

One started in Napa County and quickly moved into a mostly rural area 
of Solano County, and threatened about 250 homes and 50 other 
buildings as it fed on grassy woodland about 40 miles southwest of 
Sacramento, said Kevin Colburn, a spokesman for the California 
Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire. It was 60 
percent contained Monday.

The other was in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest, about 160 miles 
north of Sacramento, where lightning sparked dozens of blazes. The 
largest of the fires threatened about 1,200 homes, and several youth 
camps and forced evacuations. The governor declared a state of 
emergency in Monterey and Trinity Counties on Monday.

Wildfires have destroyed more than 175 homes in Northern California 
so far this year. Blazes started popping up in the region just as 
California's unofficial fire season began in mid-May, following the 
state's driest two-month period on record.

"My hat is off to all the firefighters out there on the ground, 
dirty, hot, smoky," Walters said. "And it's going to be a long road 
for us."

Along the coast in the Los Padres National Forest, a 2,000-acre 
wildfire burning south of Big Sur in Monterey County since Saturday 
forced the evacuations of 75 homes and businesses, destroyed one 
house and threatened hundreds of others.

It also led to an emergency airlift Sunday of eight endangered 
California condors. U.S. Coast Guard helicopters transported the 
seven juveniles and one adult bird from a wildlife center to the 
Monterey Airport.

A second fire in the Los Padres burned more than 57,000 acres and has 
injured nine firefighters.

Two lightning-sparked blazes about 25 miles south of San Jose also 
forced hundreds of residents to flee over the weekend. The fires 
covered about 2 square miles. Officials said one fire was 90 percent 
contained Monday and the other 50 percent contained. Most residents 
were being let back into their homes. 

[FairfieldLife] 'Holland Prepares for Mayan End of Time'

[Robert]

Many Dutch prepare for 2012 apocalypse


Published: June 23, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Order reprints  |  Print Story  |  Email to a Friend  |  Post a Comment 
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, June 23 (UPI) -- Thousands of people in the Netherlands 
say they expect the world to end in 2012, and many say they are taking 
precautions to prepare for the apocalypse. 

The Dutch-language de Volkskrant newspaper said it spoke to thousands of 
believers in the impending end of civilization, and while theories on the 
supposed catastrophe varied, most tied the 2012 date to the end of the Mayan 
calendar, Radio Netherlands reported Monday.
De Volkskrant said many of those interviewed are stocking up on emergency 
supplies, including life rafts and other equipment.
Some who spoke to the newspaper were optimistic about the end of civilization.
"You know, maybe it's really not that bad that the Netherlands will be 
destroyed," Petra Faile said. "I don't like it here anymore. Take immigration, 
for example. They keep letting people in. And then we have to build more 
houses, which makes the Netherlands even heavier. The country will sink even 
lower, which will make the flooding worse." 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[shempmcgurk]

You should sue Curtis for misrepresentation.

Or better still: Curtis should change his name to CurtisHappyFeet.





-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, 
> 
> I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
> evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
> for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
> that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
> left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
> important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
> gonna go with it.)
> 
> In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
> CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
> the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
> barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
> depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
> "Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."
> 
> I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
> I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
> instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
> all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
> said, I was expecting misery.
> 
> :-) 
> 
> Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
> not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
> my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
> Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
> time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
> vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
> staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
> balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
> infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
> Easy Rider Blues. 
> 
> It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
> do my best with first (really second) impressions. 
> 
> * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> Excellent slide and harmonica work.
> 
> * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
> time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
> skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
> some tremendous lyrics. 
> 
> * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
> all over my predator butt for liking it.
> 
> * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
> Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
> alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it 
> was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. 
> Whatever.
> 
> * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
> Love In Vain this smokin'. 
> 
> * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
> Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.
> 
> * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. 
> 
> * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
> amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
> ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in 
> your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
> Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.
> 
> Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
> leave out the misery.
> 
> Unc
>

[FairfieldLife] new pic of Peace Palaces

[yifuxero]

http://www.tinyurl.com/58ql2z

[FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)

[Kenny H]

This from a friend on Mother Divine:

Are you wondering how all this flooding could be going on with so 
many Pandits? We are surprised at Natural Law. Definitely in the 
phase transition here. Hopefully lots of light very soon. But one 
thing the press has reported that as waters receeded in Cedar Rapids 
it left behind a toxic brew of farm pesticide, chemicals and toxic 
wastes.  

Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on 
Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't 
pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. (Bevan 
currently here.)

By the way, I typed up some notes from the Global Family Chat on the 
21st. Bevan spoke about upcoming Fourth of July celebration.

Here ya go:

On the June 21 Global Family Chat Bevan said he had been to Rudra 
Abhishek yagya in a "special temple here" in a "deep, cave-like 
place", and how powerful it was. He said all the Pandits have digital 
cameras and video cameras now and all wanted pictures taken after the 
yagya – which her really enjoyed.

He said July 4th is a big celebration for the Pandits. He thought it 
was because it is the Fourth of July for America.

But it turns out it is a special Vedic celebration that falls on that 
day.

He said Maharishi told the Pandits they are not coming to America, 
they are coming to Vedic America and they should celebrate every 
Vedic Festival here.

On Lord Jagannath's day, who Bevan said is a reality of Vishnu, the 
tradition is to build a chariot and pull it in Orissa. 

This year it falls on July 4.  The Pandits made a cardboard `'mock-
up" of a chariot and it has now been made. They are going to pull it 
with ropes through the roads and fields of Iowa. He didn't elaborate 
where they would go, but this should be interesting. I believe we did 
see part of the chariot off to the side of the road,  and it's really 
neat.

Bevan also mentioned there are two new big buildings going up on the 
Pandit campus. Mother Divine has noticed this so it was nice of Bevan 
to clarify.

One is a dining hall. Other he thinks is for yagyas.  Someone told me 
it was announced today (June 23) it is a new rec center (that the one 
they have isn't big enough for all the Pandits),

He also said he talked to Bill Goldstein who has made several trips 
to India to help the Pandits get their visas, and Bill said they have 
found another 100 Pandits with passports. So these 100 have moved 
from where ever they are to Delhi to get their visas.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick, didn't you recently link...

[Rick Archer]

> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:03 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick, didn't you recently link...
> 
> 
> 
> ...to a story of a super-secret company in Texas, I think, that was
> in the process of developing a ceramic battery for a car that could
> store enough electricity for a 500 mile per charge drive?

http://media.cleantech.com/2644/zenn-gearing-up-for-eestor-powered-car

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[feste37]

That's a good reply, Judy. I read this piece by Barry earlier today
and thought it an ingenious piece of fiction, complete with the
required straw men, in this case the unholy triumvirate of me, you,
and Lawson. Just for the record, though, I was never on alt.m.t. and I
have not seen the TMFree blog. But I have looked at Knapp's sites,
including his Family Counseling site, and I agree with your assessment
of it. It  presents a false and dishonest view of TM. Knapp is now on
FFL claiming to be wiser and more balanced in his views, but his sites
do not give that impression at all.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought I'd had my 50, but according to
> Bhairitu's count, I've got one left. Barry's
> the lucky target, er, recipient.
> 
> He claims Feste, Lawson, and I haven't changed
> our view of Knapp in the 10-plus years since we
> encountered him on on alt.m.t because *we*
> haven't changed, and therefore we can't see the
> positive changes in Knapp.
> 
> Barry's forgotten something, though. About a
> year and a half ago, Knapp started the TMFree
> blog for disaffected former TMers to complain
> about TM; and he put up his own Family Counseling
> site to advertise his cult-counseling services,
> with a particular focus on former TMers.
> (Couldn't be any connection between the two, of
> course.)
> 
> I've been checking the blog regularly; I even
> participated as a commenter in its first months.
> And I've browsed around Knapp's Family
> Counseling site.
> 
> Reading one or the other or both gives you a
> *very* clear idea of where Knapp's head is at 
> currently. There's no need to extrapolate from
> the thinking and behavior he demonstrated back
> on alt.m.t and Trancenet more than a decade
> previously.
> 
> He hasn't changed. He's become more sophisticated
> in the way he trashes TM/the TMO/MMY, making
> extensive use of professional therapeutic jargon
> so as to sound more authoritative, but the
> substance is the same as it was over a decade ago.
> It's just as poisonously negative, and just as
> dishonestly presented.
> 
> The Knapp Family Counseling site includes a page
> headed "Why I Believe the Transcendental
> Meditation Org Is Dangerous." It has many links
> to articles on the revived Trancenet Web site,
> including to the notorious "German study" he
> pushed so assiduously back in the '90s on alt.m.t,
> despite being told by professional researchers--
> including one who was a strong TM critic and
> another who was neutral--that the study was
> completely unscientific. (And no, for various
> reasons it's not even useful as anecdotal
> material; I may post on that next week.)
> 
> As to the TMFree blog, if you think FFL is
> negative concerning TM/TMers/TMO/MMY, the views
> expressed here are benignly rosy compared to
> Knapp's blog, both in the posts and the comments
> thereon. Anyone who dares say anything positive
> about TM/TMO/MMY is attacked by the commenters
> with a ferocity that makes the pro-TMers' comments
> about TM critics on FFL look like gentle caresses.
> 
> (I haven't been reading all the comments there,
> but it appears from what I have read that the
> few pro-TMers that participated in the
> beginning have been driven off. At one point
> when I was still commenting there, Knapp made a
> half-hearted attempt to dial down the former
> TMers' hostility, but he didn't bother to keep
> an eye on things, and nobody paid any attention.)
> 
> Having delivered himself of this blooper about
> Knapp, Barry goes on to dig himself an even
> deeper hole by pointing proudly to Curtis as
> another example of a former TM critic who has
> become much milder and more benign.
> 
> Sez Barry, "They [meaning Feste, Lawson, and me]
> don't believe that it is *possible* for someone
> they disliked in the past to change in the
> present. Once they have developed their first
> impression of them, that impression is fixed,
> immutable."
> 
> But we have no problem seeing the changes in
> Curtis. Barry inadvertently steps on his own
> point again, as he so often does when he's more
> anxious to bash TMers than to make sense.
> 
> "Their belief system," Barry proclaims, "does
> not seem to allow for the possibility of [Knapp]
> having changed over the years."
> 
> Actually, we see no *evidence* of his having
> changed over the years, and much evidence, from
> his blog, his Web site, and his posts here, that
> he has not--in sharp contrast to the way we see
> Curtis.
> 
> A couple more points:
> 
> > This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells
> > in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste.
> > Their message is consistent: "Why should we
> > trust what John says in the present, because 
> > his past actions (as we see them, that is)
> > have convinced us that he is not to be
> > trusted."
> > 
> > Now THINK about this statement,
> 
> Note for the record that "this statement" is
> Barry's own version of what we said, even
> though he puts it in quotes as

[FairfieldLife] Signs of Rising Consciousness

[off_world_beings]

Bush may open diplomatic outpost in Iran.
http://tinyurl.com/5mqe27

57% of Evangelical Christians are willing to accept that theirs might 
not be the only path to salvation.
http://tinyurl.com/6b8twm


OffWorld



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Today marks the day that the Knowers of Brahman awaken to their 
> ownership, and to what their Dharma is.
> 
> June 23rd '08
> 
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Wrong indeed.  And happy to be so :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When you said that I'd be gone in 24 hours, you were wrong again.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Now comes Dan.  Conditions, stipulatons, qualifications, if 
onlys.  
> > The world according to Dan, according to Dan, certainly would be 
a 
> > nearly ideal world.  Dan knows whats best for FFL.  It must be 
> > kindler, gentler. Dialog must be civil.  There must be no 
sarcasm, 
> > or at least, very mild.  Dan will know which is which. Dan to 
carry 
> > the banner.  "Dan is great in 08"  I say he's gone in 24 hours.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll post the research, if you want to be openminded
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --Right. Most succintly, there have been no clear 
testimonials 
> > of 
> > > > first hand GC (embracing Celestial/Glorified) levels of 
> > awareness; 
> > > > and how this is to be distinguished from CC.
> > > > Also, the accounts of "witnessing" during sleep are 
> suspiciously 
> > > > fleeting and sporadic.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> TM requires practice for the development of full 
> > benefits. 
> > > > Going
> > > > > > >> from 'boat to boat' will not get the seeker to the 
other 
> > > shore.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand Fairfield has a few score people who
> > > > > > > qualify as fully enlightened. If that's true, how
> > > > > > > many woke up after abandoning TM for something else?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think there are signs that people are beginning 
> > > > > > to awaken in FF and  
> > > > > > other places and some are just having nice 
> > > > > > meditative experiences-- 
> > > > > > common ones which are often mistaken for 
> > > > > > Enlightenment. But I have  
> > > > > > not heard of anyone who meets the criteria 
> > > > > > of "CC" as Maharishi  
> > > > > > Mahesh Yogi described it, so I think your 
> > > > > > claim of "full  
> > > > > > enlightenment" is a tad premature. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm talking about unity consciousness. I 
> > > > > understood there were people in Fairfield 
> > > > > claiming unity consciousness. That's what 
> > > > > I'm asking to confirm, deny or elaborate upon.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > In many 
> > > > > > ways it seems a typical neoadvaita scene.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please elaborate - I don't get a mental 
> > > > > image of what a neoadvaita scene would be, 
> > > > > for all the use of that term here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > It seems many of these people did begin to have good 
> > > experiences  
> > > > > > after leaving the movement, some with other meditation 
> > > > techniques,  
> > > > > > some remaining with TM and/or the TMSP.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Such may be the case, but I'm questioning 
> > > > > whether there are people in Fairfield who 
> > > > > reached enlightenment after switching paths. 
> > > > > Dan Friedman says it isn't done, but I somehow 
> > > > > got the impression it had been done.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] NASA warming scientist: 'This is the last chance'

[Peter]

What the hell does he know? Science is all theory,
anyway, so? I trust Rush alot more.

--- amarnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> excerpt from :
> 
>
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCI_WARMING_SCIENTIST?SITE=OHCIN&\
> SECTION=AMERICAS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
> 
> 
> James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world
> has long passed the
> "dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the
> atmosphere and needs to
> get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere
> can only stay this
> loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple
> more decades without
> changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse
> and dramatic sea
> level rises.
> 
> "We're toast if we don't get on a very different
> path," Hansen, director
> of the Goddard Institute of Space Sciences who is
> sometimes called the
> godfather of global warming science, told The
> Associated Press. "This is
> the last chance."
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> One of the things I found most fascinating in the
> days following the attack on the WTC was the dis-
> covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of
> a "terrorist manual" he had on his possession and
> read from in the days leading up to the event>>

What's funny is that MORE THAN HALF of the terrorists that died in the
9/11 attacks that day..arewelluh...ALIVE and
WELL, and living normal lives in the Middle East as pilots and other
professions. FACT. You can look it up and they have been interviewed and
it is a fact. But the CIA has never announced that they got it S
wrong in posting those people as terrorists on their interpol
announcements. More than have of them are not and never were terrorists.
This is no a conspiracy story, these are verifiable truths.

SOOOwho the fuck WAS actually on those planes, and how many
other factoids are 180 degrees WRONG in the official explanation?

My guess is HUNDREDS of 'facts' are completely WRONG about the official
story.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] NASA warming scientist: 'This is the last chance'

[amarnath]

excerpt from :

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCI_WARMING_SCIENTIST?SITE=OHCIN&\
SECTION=AMERICAS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world has long passed the
"dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to
get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this
loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without
changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea
level rises.

"We're toast if we don't get on a very different path," Hansen, director
of the Goddard Institute of Space Sciences who is sometimes called the
godfather of global warming science, told The Associated Press. "This is
the last chance."

.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> >  wrote:

> >>>

> >> That's 50.  Bye- bye until Saturday, dan.
> >>
> >> Sal
> >>
> > Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal.
> 
> I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming
> from the assembled throng, geez...
> 
> Sal

I'd be willing to bet even a few of the TB's were silently thinking 
"douche-bag".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[authfriend]

I thought I'd had my 50, but according to
Bhairitu's count, I've got one left. Barry's
the lucky target, er, recipient.

He claims Feste, Lawson, and I haven't changed
our view of Knapp in the 10-plus years since we
encountered him on on alt.m.t because *we*
haven't changed, and therefore we can't see the
positive changes in Knapp.

Barry's forgotten something, though. About a
year and a half ago, Knapp started the TMFree
blog for disaffected former TMers to complain
about TM; and he put up his own Family Counseling
site to advertise his cult-counseling services,
with a particular focus on former TMers.
(Couldn't be any connection between the two, of
course.)

I've been checking the blog regularly; I even
participated as a commenter in its first months.
And I've browsed around Knapp's Family
Counseling site.

Reading one or the other or both gives you a
*very* clear idea of where Knapp's head is at 
currently. There's no need to extrapolate from
the thinking and behavior he demonstrated back
on alt.m.t and Trancenet more than a decade
previously.

He hasn't changed. He's become more sophisticated
in the way he trashes TM/the TMO/MMY, making
extensive use of professional therapeutic jargon
so as to sound more authoritative, but the
substance is the same as it was over a decade ago.
It's just as poisonously negative, and just as
dishonestly presented.

The Knapp Family Counseling site includes a page
headed "Why I Believe the Transcendental
Meditation Org Is Dangerous." It has many links
to articles on the revived Trancenet Web site,
including to the notorious "German study" he
pushed so assiduously back in the '90s on alt.m.t,
despite being told by professional researchers--
including one who was a strong TM critic and
another who was neutral--that the study was
completely unscientific. (And no, for various
reasons it's not even useful as anecdotal
material; I may post on that next week.)

As to the TMFree blog, if you think FFL is
negative concerning TM/TMers/TMO/MMY, the views
expressed here are benignly rosy compared to
Knapp's blog, both in the posts and the comments
thereon. Anyone who dares say anything positive
about TM/TMO/MMY is attacked by the commenters
with a ferocity that makes the pro-TMers' comments
about TM critics on FFL look like gentle caresses.

(I haven't been reading all the comments there,
but it appears from what I have read that the
few pro-TMers that participated in the
beginning have been driven off. At one point
when I was still commenting there, Knapp made a
half-hearted attempt to dial down the former
TMers' hostility, but he didn't bother to keep
an eye on things, and nobody paid any attention.)

Having delivered himself of this blooper about
Knapp, Barry goes on to dig himself an even
deeper hole by pointing proudly to Curtis as
another example of a former TM critic who has
become much milder and more benign.

Sez Barry, "They [meaning Feste, Lawson, and me]
don't believe that it is *possible* for someone
they disliked in the past to change in the
present. Once they have developed their first
impression of them, that impression is fixed,
immutable."

But we have no problem seeing the changes in
Curtis. Barry inadvertently steps on his own
point again, as he so often does when he's more
anxious to bash TMers than to make sense.

"Their belief system," Barry proclaims, "does
not seem to allow for the possibility of [Knapp]
having changed over the years."

Actually, we see no *evidence* of his having
changed over the years, and much evidence, from
his blog, his Web site, and his posts here, that
he has not--in sharp contrast to the way we see
Curtis.

A couple more points:

> This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells
> in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste.
> Their message is consistent: "Why should we
> trust what John says in the present, because 
> his past actions (as we see them, that is)
> have convinced us that he is not to be
> trusted."
> 
> Now THINK about this statement,

Note for the record that "this statement" is
Barry's own version of what we said, even
though he puts it in quotes as if he was
directly quoting one of us. For me, it's
not just Knapp's "past actions," it's his
current actions as well.


> WHY? And WHY do they act like this?
> 
> My bet is that what *we* see as their anger at 
> these TM critics is in reality anger at *them-
> selves* for their inability to change. They 
> cling to the TM dogma, and talk, talk, talk 
> about its supposed benefits and the changes it 
> can supposedly enable people to make, but they 
> never actually *make* any of these changes 
> *themselves*. That must get them down after a 
> while, seeing others change and evolve around 
> them, while they do not. And seemingly cannot.

Barry may be the very *last* person who should
be preaching about the inability to change--at
least to change for the better. Over the years,
his thinking and behavior have gotten
progressively *worse*. His posts are angrier,
nastier, more hostil

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[off_world_beings]

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Thanks for posting this Rick.
This is a real solution.
Just keep increasing cars and trucks towards zero emmissions, and its 
all done.

I never liked the biofuels land use problem and that you have use a lot 
of oil in fertilizers and to spread fertilisers just to grow the plants 
in the first place. Just crazy.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Forget corn-based ethanol. This comment from a viewer sums it up:
> 
> This solution combined with photovoltaic solar is the way to go - 
period.
> Algae for ultra-clean sulfur-free diesel; electricity from solar 
cells. But
> no, we have to invest one trillion dollars a year in a failed foreign 
policy
> (which guarantees the continuation of dirty petroleum and dirtier
> petro-dollars).
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ToojK_MJd0
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > [...]
> >> No, not Enlightenment Lawson, flexibility due to laterality, although
> >> some might say she entered the View (drsti) of Unity. Although at one
> >> time the TMO did emphasize laterality and "flexibility, they back-
> >> pedaled on that one after it was proven false by independent
> >> researchers years ago.
> >
> > I don't recall that laterality was ever a claim of TM researchers.  
> > But its certainly
> > not be a claim for some time now.
> >
> > Ans flexibility is still touted as a correlate of TM practice, and  
> > by extension of
> > TM-style enlightenment, but the TM *definition* of enlightenment  
> > doesn't
> > mention it directly.
> >
> > I also am guessing the self-reports of
> >> "Enlightenment" are actually the unsubstantiated reports of 24/7
> >> "witnessing" in a dumbed-down definition of "Mahahrishi's
> >> Enlightenment" mixed with the new dumbed down version of witnessing
> >> 24/7.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> Such desperation to sell.
> >>
> >
> > Eh,  the TM research by Fred Travis on the topic of pure  
> > consciousness  has  been
> > cited in books like _Zen and the Brain_ and Zen-Brain Reflections by  
> > James Austin,
> > who himself is cited by your favoriate researchers on Buddhist  
> > Meditation as
> > extremely knowledgeable...
> 
> It is cited. But as numerous researchers on TM research have  
> commented, Austin also comments "it's too early" to tell if these are  
> significant and "interesting but preliminary". He also points out this  
> state occurs in normal people! 

One would certainly HOPE so, given MMY's model that enlightenment (CC) is 
"merely 
normal."


Other comments are "exaggerated" and  
> "premature". So I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

 Once issue is that Austin msquotes the paper he cites as saying that 
breath suspension lasts for only 15 seconds, when in fact, it lasts for between 
15 
to 62 seconds in the subjects i the study he cites. SO naturally, he would 
dismiss 
a study making excited statements about a  15 second breath suspension as 
exaggerated and premature, but in fact, it was claims about a state lasting up 
to 4 times as long as he thought.

When it is  
> taken seriously it's typically because the researcher is not aware  
> that in real "witnessing" (sakshi), as opposed to "Maharishi  
> witnessing" the yogin is perfectly conscious, even in sleep...(thus  
> why TM researchers initially tried to prove awareness during delta  
> sleep...).
> 
> One of the primary indicators of real sakshi is very little need for  
> sleep, only needing to sleep a couple of hours a night. I've known  
> personally several yogins like this and I've received personal  
> instruction from them. Yogic texts say a yogi sleeps like a dog, i.e.  
> in brief intervals but still alert to what going on.
> 
> > But what do THEY know...? ;-)
> 
> I've not seen them refer to him as "extremely knowledgeable" but I'll  
> await your quote.
>

Was in the Cambridge Handbook meditation section.


Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:


nablusoss,

Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just  
keeping

up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral
agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to
deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's  
ugly,

but 100% deserved.


That's 50.  Bye- bye until Saturday, dan.

Sal


Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal.


I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming
from the assembled throng, geez...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Lawson,
> 
> You are flogging a dead horse.
> 
> You clearly didn't read either my recent post here nor the link I directed 
> you to.
> 
> Here I repost it, in its entirety  without benefit of editing, in the hopes 
> you will read it:
> 
> Geez, Lawson,
> 
> Why not ask me yourself?
> 
> I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the "German
> Study" 13
> years ago.
> 
> But I still believe it has value. Its "snowball sample" methodology and its
> small sample size
> certainly don't make it statistically valid. It's really a collection of
> anecdotal reports, in
> essence.
> 
> That doesn't mean it's without value. Qualitative research, even anecdotal
> reports, have an
> honored place in medical, psychological, and social research.
> 
> Many, if not most, research questions have their origins in anecdotal reports.
> 
> If you care to know my current take on anecdotal research, with observations 
> on
> the
> "German Study," I devote a fair number of words to the subjects in an article 
> I
> wrote some
> time ago: http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmdangers.html . There's a drop 
> down
> menu
> about a third of the way down that discusses the value of anecdotal research.
> 
> And please, feel free to address your questions directly to me when you've got
> something
> to ask.
> 
> J.
> 
> 

=> http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmdangers.html 

=>"Most symptoms below come from anecdotal reports in my counseling practice. 
=>There is some documentation of side-effects in the "German Study" â€" 
although 
=>the "snowball" methodology and small sample size essentially renders those 
=>findings anecdotal, as well. ("Snowball samples" have come far since the 
1980s.
=> Professor Doug Heckathorn has increased their statistical validity.) 


Its not merely a "snowball" effect, but the fact that you are getting a 
self-selected 
sample that is NOT unbiased, even at the very start, which is an important  
issue, as Heckathorne makes clear, even in his intro--certainly insurrmountable 
in a 
survey that didn't even attempt to control for the variables he marked as 
problematic:

 http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/reports/Heckathorn2007Preprint.pdf

" ...This includes resolving a major 
concern regarding bias in chain-referral samplesâ€"that is, produc- 
ing a population estimate that is independent of the seeds (initial 
subjects) with which sampling began."

Since the ONLY people serving as seeds where those who reported problems, and 
since the ONLY people they were asked to give references to were those who 
reported problems,  there is no way to even hope to produce "a population
 estimate that is independent of the seeds (initial  subjects) with which 
sampling 
began."



=>"But a randomized study by Otis found as many as 70% of TMers suffered from
=> psychological problems â€" and the longer they meditated, the more likely 
they 
=>were to experience side-effects."

And Otis did NOT find that "as many as 70% of the TMers suffered from 
pyschological 
problems." In fact, in the original text, he noted  that MOST TMers do NOT 
report such 
problems. What happened was that 13 years ago, you misread the table you 
originally 
cited and added the percentages of people reporting a specific side effect and 
came up 
with 70%. But that isn't what the table said. It said that 10% reported this 
side-effect, 15% 
this, 23%, this, etc. For a grad total of 70%, except that that sum was 
meaningless..

 What is fun is that your website became a primary source for jouranlists and 
even 
practicing scientists who quoted your figures as though they came from the 
original 
article.

Funny, but par for the course, I have found.


=> "And Persinger asks if Transcendental Meditation may be responsible for 
inducing
=> epileptic-like signs."

And the controversy on THAT has waged for some time, based on a few annecdotal 
reports of TMers showing epileptic-like twitchign during TM, plus one or two 
showing 
epilpetic-style EEG during TM, combined with Persinger's speculation that the 
coherent 
EEG of TM could trigger epilepsy in some people.

And there is at least as much anneccdotal evidence against this suggestion, 
PLUS the 
commonsensical observation that stress tends to trigger epilepsy while TM is 
anti-stress. 
Not to mention the fact that the TM EEG coherence is of a different type and 
location than 
that commonly associated with epilepsy.


Lawson

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petro-dollars).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ToojK_MJd0 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
> 
> > nablusoss,
> >
> > Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping
> > up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral
> > agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to
> > deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly,
> > but 100% deserved.
> 
> That's 50.  Bye- bye until Saturday, dan.
> 
> Sal
>
Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks Geezer, I was hoping to have you hear it.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Curtis is the sho-nuff living, breathing real deal blues.
> 
> AND he has a killer sense of the importance of sound over technique,
something that all 
> the greats (think Cooder, Hooker, Miles) have as evidenced by his
work on the diddley 
> bow and National.
> 
> Barry, thanks for the track by track run down. You've got my ears
watering to hear this. 
> Next stop Curtis' site (www.curtisblues.com folks) to nab me one.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis, 
> > 
> > I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
> > evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
> > for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
> > that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
> > left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
> > important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
> > gonna go with it.)
> > 
> > In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
> > CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
> > the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
> > barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
> > depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
> > "Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."
> > 
> > I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
> > I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
> > instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
> > all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
> > said, I was expecting misery.
> > 
> > :-) 
> > 
> > Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
> > not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
> > my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
> > Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
> > time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
> > vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
> > staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
> > balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
> > infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
> > Easy Rider Blues. 
> > 
> > It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
> > do my best with first (really second) impressions. 
> > 
> > * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> > my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> > my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> > Excellent slide and harmonica work.
> > 
> > * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
> > time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
> > skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
> > some tremendous lyrics. 
> > 
> > * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
> > all over my predator butt for liking it.
> > 
> > * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
> > Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> > and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
> > alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it 
> > was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. 
> > Whatever.
> > 
> > * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
> > Love In Vain this smokin'. 
> > 
> > * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
> > Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.
> > 
> > * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. 
> > 
> > * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
> > amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
> > ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in 
> > your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
> > Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.
> > 
> > Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
> > leave out the misery.
> > 
> > Unc
> >
>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:


nablusoss,

Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping
up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral
agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to
deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly,
but 100% deserved.


That's 50.  Bye- bye until Saturday, dan.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[danfriedman2002]

nablusoss,

Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping 
up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral 
agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to 
deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, 
but 100% deserved.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Turq,
> > 
> > You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where 
> > you are.
> > 
> > I was in the WTC. You suck
> 
> Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[geezerfreak]

Curtis is the sho-nuff living, breathing real deal blues.

AND he has a killer sense of the importance of sound over technique, something 
that all 
the greats (think Cooder, Hooker, Miles) have as evidenced by his work on the 
diddley 
bow and National.

Barry, thanks for the track by track run down. You've got my ears watering to 
hear this. 
Next stop Curtis' site (www.curtisblues.com folks) to nab me one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, 
> 
> I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
> evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
> for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
> that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
> left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
> important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
> gonna go with it.)
> 
> In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
> CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
> the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
> barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
> depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
> "Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."
> 
> I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
> I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
> instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
> all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
> said, I was expecting misery.
> 
> :-) 
> 
> Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
> not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
> my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
> Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
> time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
> vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
> staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
> balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
> infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
> Easy Rider Blues. 
> 
> It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
> do my best with first (really second) impressions. 
> 
> * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> Excellent slide and harmonica work.
> 
> * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
> time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
> skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
> some tremendous lyrics. 
> 
> * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
> all over my predator butt for liking it.
> 
> * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
> Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
> alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it 
> was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. 
> Whatever.
> 
> * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
> Love In Vain this smokin'. 
> 
> * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
> Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.
> 
> * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. 
> 
> * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
> amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
> ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in 
> your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
> Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.
> 
> Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
> leave out the misery.
> 
> Unc
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[danfriedman2002]

Vaj = psych;, so save the recommendation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:37 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
> 
> > Vaj,
> >
> > My bowel movement is exquisite when compared to your Personality.
> 
> 
> So you are talking to it? How interesting! I know a developmental  
> psychologist who'd love to meet you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[danfriedman2002]

Turq,

A racist who loves The Blues. You are conflicted.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, 
> 
> I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
> evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
> for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
> that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
> left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
> important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
> gonna go with it.)
> 
> In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
> CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
> the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
> barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
> depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
> "Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."
> 
> I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
> I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
> instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
> all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
> said, I was expecting misery.
> 
> :-) 
> 
> Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
> not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
> my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
> Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
> time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
> vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
> staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
> balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
> infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
> Easy Rider Blues. 
> 
> It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
> do my best with first (really second) impressions. 
> 
> * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> Excellent slide and harmonica work.
> 
> * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
> time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
> skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
> some tremendous lyrics. 
> 
> * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
> all over my predator butt for liking it.
> 
> * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
> Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
> alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it 
> was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. 
> Whatever.
> 
> * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
> Love In Vain this smokin'. 
> 
> * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
> Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.
> 
> * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. 
> 
> * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
> amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
> ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in 
> your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
> Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.
> 
> Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
> leave out the misery.
> 
> Unc
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 3:45 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> Excellent slide and harmonica work.
>
> * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the
> time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English
> skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has
> some tremendous lyrics.
>
> * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be
> all over my predator butt for liking it.
>
> * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind
> Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie
> alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it
> was dashing off the Western movie post that did it.
> Whatever.
>
> * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
> Love In Vain this smokin'.
>
> * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
> Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.
>
> * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing.
>
> * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
> amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
> ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in
> your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
> Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.
>
> Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
> leave out the misery.


Thanks for the review Barry, now I'll have to get a copy as well.  
Congrats Curtis to one fine review and what sounds like the type of  
album every artist on his way up wants to make! I too am not a huge  
fan of the traditional blues, but with a review like this, how could  
anyone resist?

Get dat review up on de website mon!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A break from spirituality

[Stu]

You'll be happy to know I am back in the saddle after 6 months of
unemployment brought on by the writer's strike.

We just started Daisies and so far so good.  The scripts are pretty
far out there.  Should have them ready for air in September.  Also
have a wild HBO pilot coming up in the Fall- may be one of the best
things I have worked on.

Otherwise, I have been dealing with old parent issues, closing up the
house, working out medical care and the like. No vacation.

Was invited to a meeting of one of the Dalai Lama's disciples a couple
weeks ago.  Usually I enjoy these Buddhist spiritual talks - but I
came out of this one thinking that this guy is full of shit.  I don't
think its him, the Tibetan Buddhists seem to be mired in myth as much
as the monotheists. However much of my distaste for the philosophy was
offset by the really cut hippie chick's who were attracted to this
group.  If I weren't a married man...

Time for afternoon meditation.

later.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

Lawson,

You are flogging a dead horse.

You clearly didn't read either my recent post here nor the link I directed you 
to.

Here I repost it, in its entirety  without benefit of editing, in the hopes you 
will read it:

Geez, Lawson,

Why not ask me yourself?

I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the "German
Study" 13
years ago.

But I still believe it has value. Its "snowball sample" methodology and its
small sample size
certainly don't make it statistically valid. It's really a collection of
anecdotal reports, in
essence.

That doesn't mean it's without value. Qualitative research, even anecdotal
reports, have an
honored place in medical, psychological, and social research.

Many, if not most, research questions have their origins in anecdotal reports.

If you care to know my current take on anecdotal research, with observations on
the
"German Study," I devote a fair number of words to the subjects in an article I
wrote some
time ago: http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmdangers.html . There's a drop down
menu
about a third of the way down that discusses the value of anecdotal research.

And please, feel free to address your questions directly to me when you've got
something
to ask.

J.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Lawson,
> > 
> > I answered your question in my post and the link to my article.
> > 
> > Please read them for the answers you seek from me.
> > 
> > I will add that Doug Heckathorne of Cornell has reworked "snowball 
> > sampling" as 
> > "respondent driven sampling." He claims, and has the math to back it up, 
> > that RDS -- 
> > even web surveys based on RDS -- can approach the validity of random 
> > sampling.
> > 
> > http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/
> > 
> > J.
> >
> 
> I think you missed this issue, however:
> 
> http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/reports/Heckathorn2007Preprint.pdf
> []...]
> "The fifth assumption specifies that respondents recruit as though 
> they are choosing randomly from their networks. This is based on the 
> assumption that recruitment will be nonbiased because respondents 
> would lack an incentive or ability to coordinate to selectively recruit 
> any particular group."
> 
> 
> By the nature of the questions posed, ONLY people with a complaint
> were selected, which renders the sample "biased" on its face, and
> makes Heckathorne's analysis about RDS  irrelevant, since it fails
> one of his assumptions.
> 
> 
> Lawson
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sunyata" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hysteria is the popcorn you eat at the waiting lounge of cc.

Well, that's certainly an enjoyable sentence. Written by someone who is 
born, pretty much like all the rest of us. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Tiger Woods in Nirvana

[Joe Smith]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/opinion/17brooks.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sunyata" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Perhaps there is no teaching dance horses to dance ... but those
> horses were never born to begin with. 

Born obviously, but not to dance. This particular one jumped ship years 
ago. Her nagging suspicion that all those years afterwards has been a 
vaste of life are being confirmed these days by reports of higher 
states of consciousness brought about by the system she so arrogantly 
rejected. Be prepared for more hysteria.

[FairfieldLife] Bolton says Israel will atttack Iran after election/before inauguration

[bob_brigante]

http://tinyurl.com/5qn7wf

I can't see this happening -- although an attack by the US is a good 
possibility in this time frame, Israel just doesn't have the means to 
effect such a long range attack against multiple targets. Its recent 
dog and pony show to demonstrate its capacity to bomb Iran is a clear 
sign that Israel can't do the job -- if it could, it would just go 
ahead and bomb without the threats, like they did Iraq's reactor in 
1981.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[Bhairitu]

curtisdeltablues wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down?  I don't 
>> recall that at all. 
>> 
>
> Just a few.  It shows that it is quite possible for a passport to
> survive as well.
> http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html
>   
Gee, how convenient they found a passport belonging to a terrorist.
>  The passport was most likely a plant.  But then I 
>   
>> guess you would prefer the *blue* pill.  :-D
>> 
>
> It does seem unlikely that Islamic extremists would commit suicide to
> kill a bunch of other people I guess.  What was I thinking! 
>   
It does seem unlikely our government leaders could be capable of 
tyranny.  What was I thinking!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:22 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]

No, not Enlightenment Lawson, flexibility due to laterality, although
some might say she entered the View (drsti) of Unity. Although at one
time the TMO did emphasize laterality and "flexibility, they back-
pedaled on that one after it was proven false by independent
researchers years ago.


I don't recall that laterality was ever a claim of TM researchers.  
But its certainly

not be a claim for some time now.

Ans flexibility is still touted as a correlate of TM practice, and  
by extension of
TM-style enlightenment, but the TM *definition* of enlightenment  
doesn't

mention it directly.

I also am guessing the self-reports of

"Enlightenment" are actually the unsubstantiated reports of 24/7
"witnessing" in a dumbed-down definition of "Mahahrishi's
Enlightenment" mixed with the new dumbed down version of witnessing
24/7.



Such desperation to sell.



Eh,  the TM research by Fred Travis on the topic of pure  
consciousness  has  been
cited in books like _Zen and the Brain_ and Zen-Brain Reflections by  
James Austin,
who himself is cited by your favoriate researchers on Buddhist  
Meditation as

extremely knowledgeable...


It is cited. But as numerous researchers on TM research have  
commented, Austin also comments "it's too early" to tell if these are  
significant and "interesting but preliminary". He also points out this  
state occurs in normal people! Other comments are "exaggerated" and  
"premature". So I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. When it is  
taken seriously it's typically because the researcher is not aware  
that in real "witnessing" (sakshi), as opposed to "Maharishi  
witnessing" the yogin is perfectly conscious, even in sleep...(thus  
why TM researchers initially tried to prove awareness during delta  
sleep...).


One of the primary indicators of real sakshi is very little need for  
sleep, only needing to sleep a couple of hours a night. I've known  
personally several yogins like this and I've received personal  
instruction from them. Yogic texts say a yogi sleeps like a dog, i.e.  
in brief intervals but still alert to what going on.



But what do THEY know...? ;-)


I've not seen them refer to him as "extremely knowledgeable" but I'll  
await your quote.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sunyata" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now to play the other side of the coin, Fairfield is indeed home to
> the most intelligent and extremely wise. Yet, we all get trapped in
> ego machinations and old reactor patterns, Sal. Even you 
apparently. I
> just wanted a time-out for a moment or two. To B-R-E-A-T-H-E. You 
know
> ... breathing? 
> 
> Even the awakened Ones have never ending refinement and integration 
to
> deal with. As a friend of mine says, "it's never ending free fall."
> 
> Feel free to also rise in love.
>  
> What bliss!  
> 
> Oh Sal, what to do? NO THING.

Sorry, you cannot teach dead horses to dance. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[curtisdeltablues]

Hey Man,

Thanks a bunch for writing all that!  With your permission I would
like to lift it all an put it on my CD baby page as my first review. 

http://tinyurl.com/6f63dp  (for anyone who wants to listen) 

I had hoped that you would get caught up in some of the stories enough
to forget that blues isn't your thing.  I wrote some of these songs
more as a character than as myself more in the Tom Waits style.  

Baker man is a blast to play live.  Singing innuendo steeped lyrics
creates a very playful smirky vibe in a club. 

Hard Luck Shoes came from watching an MSNBC show on a prison where an
inmate claimed that he kept getting into trouble because he was
wearing the shoes he had gotten sentenced in, even though it was
obvious that bad choices were the cause, just like with the guy in the
song.

Easy Rider Blues is from the bluesman's distinction between his "easy
rider" and his "special rider." I usually talk about this during my
shows so now I have a whole song to spell out the difference.

Little School Girl is really old. Old enough that people were getting
married very young so it doesn't have quite the sinister vibe Edg
would object to!  I think in 1920's rural Mississippi you needed to
snap her up while she was still in school!

Dylan put One Kind Favor on his first CD.  I love the lyrics but
didn't like Blind Lemon's guitar.  I play it in a minor key open
tuning with a minor key tuned harp.  It DOES have a slight "Streets of
Laredo" vibe doesn't it?  

Second Chance came out of my first cigar box guitar the first week I
owned it.  I just started churning on it and the words fell out. I
always feel sort of crazed when I perform it. 

The one string diddley bow has really opened me up to how much feeling
I can squeeze out of a single guitar string.  The feel of the piece is
taken from Blind Willie Johnson's slide on Dark was the Night, Cold
Was the Ground. He is considered to be the most emotionally expressive
slide player from the era I play from.  Switching from the one string
to the string on my resonator guitar in the same key is like hearing
it in 3-D before it collapses back into the single string at the end
of the song.  

Again, big thanks for laying it on a brother.  Especially on a forum
where others may be inspired to check it out.  Much, much appreciated!
 I was particularly honored to be listened to with a glass of
Lagavulin in your hand!  That adds some real class to my songs. The
idea that Robert will be hearing this makes me very very happy, thanks
in advance for making that happen.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, 
> 
> I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
> evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
> for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
> that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
> left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
> important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
> gonna go with it.)
> 
> In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
> CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
> the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
> barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
> depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
> "Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."
> 
> I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
> I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
> instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
> all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
> said, I was expecting misery.
> 
> :-) 
> 
> Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
> not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
> my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
> Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
> time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
> vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
> staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
> balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
> infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
> Easy Rider Blues. 
> 
> It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
> do my best with first (really second) impressions. 
> 
> * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
> my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
> my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
> Excellent slide and harmonica work.
> 
> * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
> time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
> skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
> some tremendous lyrics. 
> 
> * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
> all over my predator butt for liking it.
> 
> * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
> Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
> and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
> alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> No, not Enlightenment Lawson, flexibility due to laterality, although  
> some might say she entered the View (drsti) of Unity. Although at one  
> time the TMO did emphasize laterality and "flexibility, they back- 
> pedaled on that one after it was proven false by independent  
> researchers years ago.

I don't recall that laterality was ever a claim of TM researchers. But its 
certainly
not be a claim for some time now.

Ans flexibility is still touted as a correlate of TM practice, and by extension 
of 
TM-style enlightenment, but the TM *definition* of enlightenment doesn't 
mention it directly.

 I also am guessing the self-reports of  
> "Enlightenment" are actually the unsubstantiated reports of 24/7  
> "witnessing" in a dumbed-down definition of "Mahahrishi's  
> Enlightenment" mixed with the new dumbed down version of witnessing  
> 24/7.
> 
> 
> 
> Such desperation to sell.
>

Eh,  the TM research by Fred Travis on the topic of pure consciousness  has  
been 
cited in books like _Zen and the Brain_ and Zen-Brain Reflections by James 
Austin, 
who himself is cited by your favoriate researchers on Buddhist Meditation as 
extremely knowledgeable...

But what do THEY know...? ;-)



Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down?  I don't 
> recall that at all. 

Just a few.  It shows that it is quite possible for a passport to
survive as well.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html

 The passport was most likely a plant.  But then I 
> guess you would prefer the *blue* pill.  :-D

It does seem unlikely that Islamic extremists would commit suicide to
kill a bunch of other people I guess.  What was I thinking! 



> curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > They found all sorts of stuff including living people when the
> > buildings went down and they combed over every piece to identify the
> > bodies.  It doesn't surprise me that they found a passport.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> TurquoiseB wrote:
> >> 
> >>> One of the things I found most fascinating in the
> >>> days following the attack on the WTC was the dis-
> >>> covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of
> >>> a "terrorist manual" he had on his possession and 
> >>> read from in the days leading up to the event.
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >> Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by "plane fuel" to 
> >> dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact?  Don't forget they 
> >> also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape.  
> >> Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no
Curtis 
> >> that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood.  It's the
ones in 
> >> the shadows. ;-)
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, sparaig wrote:


Well, first off, I don't believe she was attempting to draw any
parallels the latest TM hypothesis but instead cutting edge
neuroscience on laterality.
Richard Davidson's recent finding is that there is a left anterior
shift in function during emotion provoking stimuli tests which has
shown that Mindfulness Meditation enables individuals to regulate
their emotions in a positive, approaching manner, rather than
withdrawing. The degree of leftward shifting, enabled by neuroplastic
changes from meditation, correlates with the degree of positive
immune function. So people with the flexibility of this style of
laterality can not only recover from negative emotions faster, it
actually can improve their physical health.

If we're limited by the past and lack reflective integration we won't
have the flexibility to be more lateral in perspective, consequently
we become slaves to old mindsets that imprison us or simply leave an
integrated inner experience out of our style of learning. When our
inner mental models overwhelm our perception of the world and our
selves we can't be flexible because we are defined by our past neural
nets, as we lack attunement with the present.

I see Ms. Bolte-Taylor's emphasis is on flexibility based on
instinctively knowing when to shift, based on life-circumstances.

Interestingly this is also a basic idea in Yogic science.



As you interpret it. The physiological and psychological things you  
describe
are NOT those associated with self-reports of enlightenment  
according to
the criteria for enlightenment established by MMY's interpretation  
of Yoga.



No, not Enlightenment Lawson, flexibility due to laterality, although  
some might say she entered the View (drsti) of Unity. Although at one  
time the TMO did emphasize laterality and "flexibility, they back- 
pedaled on that one after it was proven false by independent  
researchers years ago. I also am guessing the self-reports of  
"Enlightenment" are actually the unsubstantiated reports of 24/7  
"witnessing" in a dumbed-down definition of "Mahahrishi's  
Enlightenment" mixed with the new dumbed down version of witnessing  
24/7.




Such desperation to sell.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:34 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

 

They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down? I don't 
recall that at all. The passport was most likely a plant. But then I 
guess you would prefer the *blue* pill. :-D

There were a few survivors who were in a stairwell. A movie was made of
their experience, starring Nicholas Cage.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[Bhairitu]

They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down?  I don't 
recall that at all.  The passport was most likely a plant.  But then I 
guess you would prefer the *blue* pill.  :-D
curtisdeltablues wrote:
> They found all sorts of stuff including living people when the
> buildings went down and they combed over every piece to identify the
> bodies.  It doesn't surprise me that they found a passport.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> TurquoiseB wrote:
>> 
>>> One of the things I found most fascinating in the
>>> days following the attack on the WTC was the dis-
>>> covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of
>>> a "terrorist manual" he had on his possession and 
>>> read from in the days leading up to the event.
>>>   
>>>   
>> Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by "plane fuel" to 
>> dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact?  Don't forget they 
>> also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape.  
>> Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no Curtis 
>> that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood.  It's the ones in 
>> the shadows. ;-)
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:35 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> It is a fascinating video that everyone should try to see. I've
> >> shared it with over half a dozen people and the response has been
> >> that it's very inspiring and uplifting and actually seems to give a
> >> great sense of hope to those who watch it. This same topic, of
> >> lateral shifts in brain dominance, is also one of great interest to
> >> meditation researchers.
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Hugo wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/25brain.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The video is well worth a look for her descrition of the
> >>> experience and how it affects her still. Fascinating stuff.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229
> >>
> >
> >
> > The thing though, is that the physiological correlation with TMers  
> > reporting signs
> > of enlightenment (as defined by TM theory ala MMY) is that lateral  
> > dominance
> > in the brain becomes LESS, not greater, at least in the frontal  
> > lobes of the brain.
> >
> > Which leads ME to suspect that the "spiritual" experience she  
> > reports is NOT
> > the same as the "spiritual" experience reported by the long-term  
> > TMers reporting
> > signs of enlightenment (as defined by TM).
> >
> > Is this relevant?
> >
> > Well, in the context of a TV show trying to draw parallels between  
> > brain physiology
> > and spiritual experiences, it certainly MUST be.
> 
> Well, first off, I don't believe she was attempting to draw any  
> parallels the latest TM hypothesis but instead cutting edge  
> neuroscience on laterality.
> Richard Davidson's recent finding is that there is a left anterior  
> shift in function during emotion provoking stimuli tests which has  
> shown that Mindfulness Meditation enables individuals to regulate  
> their emotions in a positive, approaching manner, rather than  
> withdrawing. The degree of leftward shifting, enabled by neuroplastic  
> changes from meditation, correlates with the degree of positive  
> immune function. So people with the flexibility of this style of  
> laterality can not only recover from negative emotions faster, it  
> actually can improve their physical health.
> 
> If we're limited by the past and lack reflective integration we won't  
> have the flexibility to be more lateral in perspective, consequently  
> we become slaves to old mindsets that imprison us or simply leave an  
> integrated inner experience out of our style of learning. When our  
> inner mental models overwhelm our perception of the world and our  
> selves we can't be flexible because we are defined by our past neural  
> nets, as we lack attunement with the present.
> 
> I see Ms. Bolte-Taylor's emphasis is on flexibility based on  
> instinctively knowing when to shift, based on life-circumstances.
> 
> Interestingly this is also a basic idea in Yogic science.
>

As you interpret it. The physiological and psychological things you describe 
are NOT those associated with self-reports of enlightenment according to 
the criteria for enlightenment established by MMY's interpretation of Yoga.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] An Open Letter To Curtis Blues

[TurquoiseB]

Curtis, 

I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this
evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift
for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy;
that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been
left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more
important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm 
gonna go with it.)

In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new
CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and
the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could 
barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its 
depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, 
"Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me."

I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed.
I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found
instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with
all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan 
said, I was expecting misery.

:-) 

Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is 
not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in
my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of
Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second
time, straight through. It's that charming and capti-
vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple 
staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their
balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously
infected as well. They actually danced a little to 
Easy Rider Blues. 

It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll
do my best with first (really second) impressions. 

* I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping
my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of
my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person.
Excellent slide and harmonica work.

* Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the 
time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English 
skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has 
some tremendous lyrics. 

* Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be 
all over my predator butt for liking it.

* You may have recorded the best version of One Kind 
Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point
and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie 
alternative reality, akin to "Dead Man." Or maybe it 
was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. 
Whatever.

* The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of
Love In Vain this smokin'. 

* Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second
Chance. Robert's gonna love this one.

* Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. 

* The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's
amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru-
ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in 
your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here,
Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow.

Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did
leave out the misery.

Unc

[FairfieldLife] Re: yu: 1. unite

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > It's "interesting" that the root 'yu' "represents" both a verb
> > whose meaning is 'to unite', and OTOH a verb whose meaning is
> > 'to separate'! :0
> > 
> > Some forms appearing in the Vedic language (Rgveda, and stuff):
> > 
> > 1. yu (unite):
> > 
> > present, class VI:  yuváti, -te.
> > present , class II: yauti; 
> > (aatmanepada, "intransitive") yuté;
> > subjunctive: yávan; imperative: yutáam  (3. s. A)
> > participle: yuvaaná; perfect: yuyuvé
> > periphrastic future(?): yuvitáá (braahmana) 
> > perfect participle: yutá
> > gerundive: -yúúya
> > desiderative: yúyuuSati
> > intensive: yoyuvé (Atharva-veda)
> > participle: yóyuvat (AV); yóyuvaana
> > 
> > I guess it mite be better to change to Chinese... :]
> >
> 
> 2. yu (separate)
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6rztq2
> 
> Scroll down a bit...
>

Sorry, it doesn't seem to work as a tinyurl.
This might work better:

http://books.google.fi/books?id=YKI3TQvbsDcC&pg=RA1-PA409&lpg=RA1-PA409&dq=+%22pr.+yuy%C3%B3ti%3B+SB.+yuy%C3%A1vat&source=web&ots=scrkIGXbmm&sig=4pugvIBb2lxrmmoPxEO5308sLJE&hl=fi&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PRA1-PA410,M1

Or, then again, perhaps not... : /

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Experience of Philip K. Dick

[Marek Reavis]

Robert Crumb is such a touchstone in my life and so many of our 
generation.  I moved to Davis just about the same time that he and 
Aileen moved away from Winters (just a few miles west of Davis) and 
on to Suauve (sp?).  When I ran the little bohemian pub in Davis, 
Delta of Venus, I often thought that had he and Aileen (and Sophie) 
stayed in the area it would have been a place they would have 
enjoyed.

I would have certainly enjoyed having them.

Thanks again.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for this, Turq.  
> 
> De nada. I've seen the originals of this, which
> are about twice the size you see on your screen.
> Very impressive. Robert really IS quite a fine
> artist. 
> 
> We never really discussed PKD, but I know why he
> would have been fascinated by him. Robert, even
> though he has meditated daily for over 30 years,
> has never had what he would consider a spiritual
> or transcendental experience. Drugs did nothing
> for him (he hated them), and so far neither has
> his meditation. But he is fascinated by the exper-
> ience and visions of others, especially those like
> PKD, whose work as an artist he admires.
> 
> Robert is currently working on his version of the
> Book Of Genesis from the Bible. I expect it to be
> one of the sensations of the art world when it
> comes out. He's doing it *seriously*, not as any
> kind of satire or parody or commentary. He is 
> taking the text and the events "as read" and pro-
> viding his own illustrations to them. I've seen
> Robert's version of Eden, and it's lovely.
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > By Robert Crumb:
> > > 
> > > http://www.philipkdickfans.com/weirdo.htm
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: yu: 1. unite

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> It's "interesting" that the root 'yu' "represents" both a verb
> whose meaning is 'to unite', and OTOH a verb whose meaning is
> 'to separate'! :0
> 
> Some forms appearing in the Vedic language (Rgveda, and stuff):
> 
> 1. yu (unite):
> 
> present, class VI:  yuváti, -te.
> present , class II: yauti; 
> (aatmanepada, "intransitive") yuté;
> subjunctive: yávan; imperative: yutáam  (3. s. A)
> participle: yuvaaná; perfect: yuyuvé
> periphrastic future(?): yuvitáá (braahmana) 
> perfect participle: yutá
> gerundive: -yúúya
> desiderative: yúyuuSati
> intensive: yoyuvé (Atharva-veda)
> participle: yóyuvat (AV); yóyuvaana
> 
> I guess it mite be better to change to Chinese... :]
>

2. yu (separate)

http://tinyurl.com/6rztq2

Scroll down a bit...

RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick, didn't you recently link...

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:03 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick, didn't you recently link...

 

...to a story of a super-secret company in Texas, I think, that was 
in the process of developing a ceramic battery for a car that could 
store enough electricity for a 500 mile per charge drive?

I don't remember the battery developer, but http://www.zenncars.com/ is
going to use their batteries. They may refer to the company supplying them.
I'm sure that company is aware of McCain's offer.

Anyway, take a gander at McCain's offer...

McCain Offers $300 Million Prize for New Auto Battery

Seems like a good idea.

 

[FairfieldLife] Must-read: A. A. Macdonell, Vedic Reader for Students

[cardemaister]

Gambler:

http://tinyurl.com/6xjgu5

HYMN OF THE GAMBLER - Arthur Anthony Macdonell, A Vedic Reader for
Students [1917]
Edition used:

A Vedic Reader for Students, by Arthur Anthony MacDonnell. Containing
Thirty Hymns of the Rigveda in the original Samhita and Pada Texts,
with Transliteration, Translation, Explanatory Notes, Introduction,
Vocabulary (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1917).

* Translator: Arthur Anthony Macdonell

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[curtisdeltablues]

They found all sorts of stuff including living people when the
buildings went down and they combed over every piece to identify the
bodies.  It doesn't surprise me that they found a passport.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > One of the things I found most fascinating in the
> > days following the attack on the WTC was the dis-
> > covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of
> > a "terrorist manual" he had on his possession and 
> > read from in the days leading up to the event.
> >   
> Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by "plane fuel" to 
> dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact?  Don't forget they 
> also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape.  
> Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no Curtis 
> that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood.  It's the ones in 
> the shadows. ;-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Rick, didn't you recently link...

[shempmcgurk]

...to a story of a super-secret company in Texas, I think, that was 
in the process of developing a ceramic battery for a car that could 
store enough electricity for a 500 mile per charge drive?

Anyway, take a gander at McCain's offer...





McCain Offers $300 Million Prize for New Auto Battery

by Associated Press

Monday, June 23, 2008
 

FRESNO, Calif. — John McCain is hoping to solve the country's energy 
crisis with cold hard cash.

The presumed Republican nominee on Monday proposed a $300 million 
government prize to whoever can develop an automobile battery that 
far surpasses existing technology. The bounty would equate to $1 for 
every man, woman and child in the country, "a small price to pay for 
helping to break the back of our oil dependency," McCain said at 
Fresno State University.

McCain said such a device should deliver power at 30 percent of 
current costs and have "the size, capacity, cost and power to 
leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars."

The Arizona senator also proposed stiffer fines for automakers who 
skirt existing fuel-efficiency standards, as well as incentives to 
increase use of domestic and foreign alcohol-based fuels such as 
ethanol.

In addition, a so-called Clean Car Challenge would provide U.S. 
automakers with a $5,000 tax credit for every zero-carbon emissions 
car they develop and sell.

"In the quest for alternatives to oil, our government has thrown 
around enough money subsidizing special interests and excusing 
failure," said McCain. "From now on, we will encourage heroic efforts 
in engineering, and we will reward the greatest success."

The proposal comes as gasoline has reached a record cost of more than 
$4 a gallon. That has boosted the price of virtually all goods and 
services, sent commuters flocking to public transportation and 
increased tensions between the United States and its Middle Eastern 
oil suppliers.

Last week McCain suggested one way to ease supply concerns would be 
to lift a federal ban on offshore oil drilling if individual states 
want to allow it even though he favored the decades-old moratorium on 
drilling in the 2000 campaign. His Democratic rival, Sen. Barack 
Obama of Illinois, opposes that idea, saying it would do nothing to 
address immediate price concerns.

On Sunday, Obama told a Washington audience he would strengthen 
government oversight of energy traders whose futures speculation he 
blames in large part for the skyrocketing price of oil.

McCain told a town-hall questioner on Monday that he was unsure of 
the extent of any oil speculation, but if it has boosted the price of 
a barrel by 50 percent — as he has heard from some analysts — or just 
1 percent, "then it seems to me there should be a thorough and 
complete investigation."

He added: "If there is anybody who took advantage of Americans in 
order to enrich themselves, then it's unacceptable."

In his remarks, McCain expressed exasperation both with the federal 
government and the private sector.

He said rising costs during a time of stagnant wages evokes the 1970s 
era of "stagflation."

Without blaming his fellow Republicans in the Bush administration or 
Democrats who control Congress by name, McCain said: "It feels the 
same today, because the unwise policies of our government have left 
America's energy future in the control of others."

The pork-barrel opponent also blasted "a hodgepodge of incentives" 
for the purchase of fuel-efficient cars.

"Different hybrids and natural-gas cars carry different incentives, 
ranging from a few hundreds dollars to four grand. They're the 
handiwork of lobbyists, with all the inconsistency and irrationality 
that involves," McCain said.

Following the speech, McCain was scheduled to attend fundraisers in 
Fresno and Santa Barbara, part of a money push that helped the 
senator raise a personal record of $21 million last month.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Any explanations?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:16 PM, sparaig wrote:


I think the instruction for pain while thinking the mantra is:

stop trying to think the mantra.


And here all along I thought it was:  go out and have a beer or a Coke,
see a good movie, read a good book or lie on the beach for a couple
of hours.

Seems I was misinformed. :)

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Terrorist Manual

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> One of the things I found most fascinating in the
> days following the attack on the WTC was the dis-
> covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of
> a "terrorist manual" he had on his possession and 
> read from in the days leading up to the event.
>   
Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by "plane fuel" to 
dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact?  Don't forget they 
also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape.  
Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no Curtis 
that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood.  It's the ones in 
the shadows. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Newbie Western

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Newb: Why are you attacking me? Bartender! Why are
> > you allowing this woman to attack me?
> >
> > Bartender: What woman? Oh, you mean Sal. Pay no
> > attention to her...we don't. 
> 
> LOL...damn it, Barry, and here I was *sure* I was the center
> or everyone's world.  And you had to go and ruin my great
> fantasy.  Killjoy.

Hey, you WERE the most important event of the
day, the one that the whole bar toasted to at 
the end of the movie. Or at least the prospect 
of monkeys flying out of your butt was. 

I should warn you that some of the guys at the
bar might not have really been looking at the
monkeys during your demo, however. Does that 
make it better?

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Newbie Western

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Newb: Why are you attacking me? Bartender! Why are
you allowing this woman to attack me?

Bartender: What woman? Oh, you mean Sal. Pay no
attention to her...we don't. 


LOL...damn it, Barry, and here I was *sure* I was the center
or everyone's world.  And you had to go and ruin my great
fantasy.  Killjoy.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:37 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:


Vaj,

My bowel movement is exquisite when compared to your Personality.



So you are talking to it? How interesting! I know a developmental  
psychologist who'd love to meet you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult

[danfriedman2002]

Sal,

Read the post below:

"What was admirable, Jerry said, is what that one human person had 

become and achieved."

what Jerry was indicating was that growth from where we were to what 
we wanted to become, is possible.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
> 
> > Your first observation is supported by a talk that Jerry Jarvis 
had
> > given; explaining that MMY was a human person, like the rest of 
us.
> 
> Jerry actually needed to *explain* this, Dan?
> 
> >
> > What was admirable, Jerry said, is what that one human person had
> > become and achieved.
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Lawson,
> 
> I answered your question in my post and the link to my article.
> 
> Please read them for the answers you seek from me.
> 
> I will add that Doug Heckathorne of Cornell has reworked "snowball sampling" 
> as 
> "respondent driven sampling." He claims, and has the math to back it up, that 
> RDS -- 
> even web surveys based on RDS -- can approach the validity of random sampling.
> 
> http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/
> 
> J.
>

I think you missed this issue, however:

http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/reports/Heckathorn2007Preprint.pdf
[]...]
"The fifth assumption specifies that respondents recruit as though 
they are choosing randomly from their networks. This is based on the 
assumption that recruitment will be nonbiased because respondents 
would lack an incentive or ability to coordinate to selectively recruit 
any particular group."


By the nature of the questions posed, ONLY people with a complaint
were selected, which renders the sample "biased" on its face, and
makes Heckathorne's analysis about RDS  irrelevant, since it fails
one of his assumptions.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Today marks the Turning Point.

[off_world_beings]

Today marks the day that the Knowers of Brahman awaken to their 
ownership, and to what their Dharma is.

June 23rd '08


OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:


Your first observation is supported by a talk that Jerry Jarvis had
given; explaining that MMY was a human person, like the rest of us.


Jerry actually needed to *explain* this, Dan?



What was admirable, Jerry said, is what that one human person had
become and achieved.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS -- Message from Dr. John Hagelin

[george_deforest]

Message from Dr. John Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America

Dear Community Members,

It is a great delight to know that in recent days 
we have managed to achieve our Super Radiance target of 1,740 
Yogic Flyers during both the morning and evening programs. 
This is a wonderful achievement, and I wish to thank all of you 
for your contribution to this. Traditionally over the summer months
we see our Super Radiance numbers drop somewhat when our students 
leave town and others depart on summer vacations.

This year we are hoping to offset this by offering a month of 
inspiring events during our Invincible America Month, 
July 4th to August 4th. This is our opportunity to invite 
Citizen Sidhas and Governors from all over the country 
to join us here so that they can personally experience 
the profound Bliss that is being enjoyed on the 
Invincible America Assembly. It is our hope that everyone 
that comes has such a wonderful time that they will be
inspired to move here permanently.

To achieve this we would greatly appreciate your help in
the following ways:

- Please telephone all of your friends and relatives 
and invite them to come and (where possible) stay with you 
during this period.

- If you have sufficient space, please fill in one of the 
Housing Forms (available in the domes) and welcome as many guests 
as possible for as low a rental price as you can afford. 
Please also ensure that these guests have a very comfortable stay 
throughout.

- Please assist the team that is organizing the events 
by filling in one of the Volunteer Forms (also available 
in the domes) and offering to help with as many tasks 
as you can comfortably manage.

With your assistance we will be able to maintain our 
Super Radiance numbers throughout the summer months, attract 
many more people to join us permanently on the Assembly, 
and enjoy a permanent Invincible America.

Jai Guru Dev

John Hagelin
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[FairfieldLife] INVINCIBLE AMERICA MONTH!

[Dick Mays]

From: Dome Announcements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message from Dr. John Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America

Dear Community Members,

It is a great delight to know that in recent days we have managed to achieve
our Super Radiance target of 1,740 Yogic Flyers during both the morning and
evening programs. This is a wonderful achievement, and I wish to thank all
of you for your contribution to this. Traditionally over the summer months
we see our Super Radiance numbers drop somewhat when our students leave town
and others depart on summer vacations.

This year we are hoping to offset this by offering a month of inspiring
events during our Invincible America Month, July 4th to August 4th. This is
our opportunity to invite Citizen Sidhas and Governors from all over the
country to join us here so that they can personally experience the profound
Bliss that is being enjoyed on the Invincible America Assembly. It is our
hope that everyone that comes has such a wonderful time that they will be
inspired to move here permanently.

To achieve this we would greatly appreciate your help the following ways:

-Please telephone all of your friends and relatives and invite them to come
and (where possible) stay with you during this period.

-If you have sufficient space, please fill in one of the Housing Forms
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rental price as you can afford. Please also ensure that these guests have a
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-Please assist the team that is organizing the events by filling in one of
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as many tasks as you can comfortably manage.

With your assistance we will be able to maintain our Super Radiance numbers
throughout the summer months, attract many more people to join us
permanently on the Assembly, and enjoy a permanent Invincible America.
 
Jai Guru Dev


John Hagelin
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of danfriedman2002
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

 

Rick,

I agree.

Can you help me find topics for discussion?

Not really. Just talk about what interests you. Be choosy about who's posts
you read.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:35 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is a fascinating video that everyone should try to see. I've
shared it with over half a dozen people and the response has been
that it's very inspiring and uplifting and actually seems to give a
great sense of hope to those who watch it. This same topic, of
lateral shifts in brain dominance, is also one of great interest to
meditation researchers.

On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Hugo wrote:




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/25brain.html


The video is well worth a look for her descrition of the
experience and how it affects her still. Fascinating stuff.


http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229





The thing though, is that the physiological correlation with TMers  
reporting signs
of enlightenment (as defined by TM theory ala MMY) is that lateral  
dominance
in the brain becomes LESS, not greater, at least in the frontal  
lobes of the brain.


Which leads ME to suspect that the "spiritual" experience she  
reports is NOT
the same as the "spiritual" experience reported by the long-term  
TMers reporting

signs of enlightenment (as defined by TM).

Is this relevant?

Well, in the context of a TV show trying to draw parallels between  
brain physiology

and spiritual experiences, it certainly MUST be.


Well, first off, I don't believe she was attempting to draw any  
parallels the latest TM hypothesis but instead cutting edge  
neuroscience on laterality.
Richard Davidson's recent finding is that there is a left anterior  
shift in function during emotion provoking stimuli tests which has  
shown that Mindfulness Meditation enables individuals to regulate  
their emotions in a positive, approaching manner, rather than  
withdrawing. The degree of leftward shifting, enabled by neuroplastic  
changes from meditation, correlates with the degree of positive  
immune function. So people with the flexibility of this style of  
laterality can not only recover from negative emotions faster, it  
actually can improve their physical health.


If we're limited by the past and lack reflective integration we won't  
have the flexibility to be more lateral in perspective, consequently  
we become slaves to old mindsets that imprison us or simply leave an  
integrated inner experience out of our style of learning. When our  
inner mental models overwhelm our perception of the world and our  
selves we can't be flexible because we are defined by our past neural  
nets, as we lack attunement with the present.


I see Ms. Bolte-Taylor's emphasis is on flexibility based on  
instinctively knowing when to shift, based on life-circumstances.


Interestingly this is also a basic idea in Yogic science.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

Lawson,

I answered your question in my post and the link to my article.

Please read them for the answers you seek from me.

I will add that Doug Heckathorne of Cornell has reworked "snowball sampling" as 
"respondent driven sampling." He claims, and has the math to back it up, that 
RDS -- 
even web surveys based on RDS -- can approach the validity of random sampling.

http://www.respondentdrivensampling.org/

J.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Geez, Lawson,
> > 
> > Why not ask me yourself?
> > 
> > I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the "German 
> > Study" 13 
> > years ago.
> > 
> > But I still believe it has value. Its "snowball sample" methodology and its 
> > small sample 
> size 
> > certainly don't make it statistically valid. It's really a collection of 
> > anecdotal reports, in 
> > essence.
> > 
> > That doesn't mean it's without value. Qualitative research, even anecdotal 
> > reports, 
have 
> an 
> > honored place in medical, psychological, and social research.
> > 
> > Many, if not most, research questions have their origins in anecdotal 
> > reports.
> > 
> > If you care to know my current take on anecdotal research, with 
> > observations on the 
> > "German Study," I devote a fair number of words to the subjects in an 
> > article I wrote 
> some 
> > time ago: http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmdangers.html . There's a drop 
> > down 
> menu 
> > about a third of the way down that discusses the value of anecdotal 
> > research.
> > 
> > And please, feel free to address your questions directly to me when you've 
> > got 
> something 
> > to ask.
> 
> 
> ALright, what do YOU think of "snowball" research?
> 
> Do you REALLY think the German "TM Study"  has validity as statistics, rather 
> than as a 
> guide for controlled research? How is it any different than finding a bunch 
> of TMers who 
> claim  that everything in their life is hunky-dory?
> 
> Lawson
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[danfriedman2002]

Rick,

I agree.

Can you help me find topics for discussion?


Thanks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield is a very intelligent town. That is reflected in the 
> > kindness of it's people. This forum is not representative of 
> > Fairfield. It's more like reverso world in its contentiousness.
> 
> Most of the participants in FFL are not actually in FF (living in 
FF is not
> a requirement). Regardless of your perspective, you can almost 
always find
> participants and topic threads worthy of your attention. It just 
takes a
> while to learn whom to read, and whom to ignore (again, based on 
your
> preferences - one man's meat is another man's poison). I find that 
the folks
> farthest from my POV are often as entertaining as those closest to 
it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:11 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> 
> > I congratulate someone who is big enough to own up to their past words
> > and actions, and who points out that over a period of 13 years people
> > change.  Their attitude changes.  Their outlook changes.  In my mind
> > these statement indicate a level of maturity, and accountability we
> > don't often see on this site.
> 
> I agree, I think John's posts have ben a breath of fresh
> air, and a much-needed respite from the general accusing,
> name-calling and mind-reading that often goes on here.
> 
> Then again, lurk, everyone knows that you and I are liars...
> 
> Sal
>

I share your view on John's posts Sal. Balance and reasonableness
are always a breath of fresh air. Guess that makes me a liar too.

It is interesting though how much heat is generated in the responses. 
That heat seems to provide an excellent opportunity in FFL for some  
creative humor to bubble up. Perhaps it is shallow of me, but that is 
what I enjoy most about FFL.  

Now about those flying monkeys

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "danfriedman2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fairfield is a very intelligent town. That is reflected in the 
> kindness of it's people. This forum is not representative of 
> Fairfield. It's more like reverso world in its contentiousness.

Most of the participants in FFL are not actually in FF (living in FF is not
a requirement). Regardless of your perspective, you can almost always find
participants and topic threads worthy of your attention. It just takes a
while to learn whom to read, and whom to ignore (again, based on your
preferences - one man's meat is another man's poison). I find that the folks
farthest from my POV are often as entertaining as those closest to it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Geez, Lawson,
> 
> Why not ask me yourself?
> 
> I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the "German 
> Study" 13 
> years ago.
> 
> But I still believe it has value. Its "snowball sample" methodology and its 
> small sample 
size 
> certainly don't make it statistically valid. It's really a collection of 
> anecdotal reports, in 
> essence.
> 
> That doesn't mean it's without value. Qualitative research, even anecdotal 
> reports, have 
an 
> honored place in medical, psychological, and social research.
> 
> Many, if not most, research questions have their origins in anecdotal reports.
> 
> If you care to know my current take on anecdotal research, with observations 
> on the 
> "German Study," I devote a fair number of words to the subjects in an article 
> I wrote 
some 
> time ago: http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmdangers.html . There's a drop 
> down 
menu 
> about a third of the way down that discusses the value of anecdotal research.
> 
> And please, feel free to address your questions directly to me when you've 
> got 
something 
> to ask.


ALright, what do YOU think of "snowball" research?

Do you REALLY think the German "TM Study"  has validity as statistics, rather 
than as a 
guide for controlled research? How is it any different than finding a bunch of 
TMers who 
claim  that everything in their life is hunky-dory?

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Sorry, Lawson,
> 
> I can't discern where this question comes from, but I'll gamely try to 
> respond.
> 
> I've stated often I don't believe it's possible to know for certain a 
> person's inner states, 
> such as motivations, from their writings or public actions.
> 
> I *think,* but don't know, the Maharishi was a complex man, whose motivations 
> can't be 
> summarized in one or two simple sentences.
> 
> I *think,* but do not know, that he believed he was making the world a better 
> place by 
> exporting Hinduism. I also think -- and I think Judy said something similar 
> recently -- 
he 
> saw it as no contradiction to make money, garner power, and have a little fun 
> along the 
> way.
> 
> I also think he believed the ends justified the means.
> 
> I *believe* he gave a lot of enjoyment to a lot of people. 
> 
> AND that he damaged a significant minority of his followers along the way.
> 
> I'm sure there's more to write, but that gives you some idea of the thoughts 
> I have.
> 
> Not *conclusions.* Working hypotheses.
> 
> J.

Fair enough, and not too far off from my own observations except that I think he
DID care about individuals' health and well being WHEN the issues were brought 
to his 
attention in a non-confrontational way.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[danfriedman2002]

Vaj,

My bowel movement is exquisite when compared to your Personality.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> >>
> >> The re-arrival of John Knapp on FFL, and the
> >> reaction of the TM TBs to his presence, has
> >> brought an issue into focus for me, so I
> >> figured I'd throw it out for others to react
> >> to. Or not, if you don't think it's relevant.
> >>
> >> Most of the people who have reacted so nega-
> >> tively and so *strongly* to John in the last
> >> few days are doing so based on their *past*
> >> interactions with him. They even say this.
> >>
> >> This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells
> >> in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste.
> >> Their message is consistent: "Why should we
> >> trust what John says in the present, because
> >> his past actions (as we see them, that is)
> >> have convinced us that he is not to be
> >> trusted."
> >
> > Well, here's the thing...
> >
> > If John has changed, then why the hell does he feel
> > a need to come and talk about TM at all?
> 
> 
> When you've had a bowel movement, didn't you ever take a gander at 
it  
> before you flushed?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment by accident....

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is a fascinating video that everyone should try to see. I've  
> shared it with over half a dozen people and the response has been  
> that it's very inspiring and uplifting and actually seems to give a  
> great sense of hope to those who watch it. This same topic, of  
> lateral shifts in brain dominance, is also one of great interest to  
> meditation researchers.
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Hugo wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/25brain.html
> >
> >
> > The video is well worth a look for her descrition of the
> > experience and how it affects her still. Fascinating stuff.
> >
> >
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229
>


The thing though, is that the physiological correlation with TMers reporting 
signs
of enlightenment (as defined by TM theory ala MMY) is that lateral dominance
in the brain becomes LESS, not greater, at least in the frontal lobes of the 
brain.

Which leads ME to suspect that the "spiritual" experience she reports is NOT
the same as the "spiritual" experience reported by the long-term TMers 
reporting 
signs of enlightenment (as defined by TM).

Is this relevant?

Well, in the context of a TV show trying to draw parallels between brain 
physiology
and spiritual experiences, it certainly MUST be.

Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Report of Germany's Institute for Youth and Society on TM; was Trancenet

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:29 PM, sparaig wrote:

The statistics are inevitable due to how the survey (not "study" in  
any usual sense)

was conducted:

a few pople had complaints they attributed to TM. Interview them  
and ask them

for more names of people who had comlaints baout TM. Interview THEM
and ask them for names of other people who had complaints about TM.  
Continue

until you have attempted to interview every reference,

Compile the complaints. Report.

All told, out of the 100,000 or so people who had learned TM in  
German at that
time, plus parents and spouses of TMers, they managed to interview  
67 people

willing to respond.

Of those, 30 were parents of TMers, 10 were married partners of  
TMers who gave
reports about the effect of TM on their spouses, and 27 were former  
TMers.


http://www.trancenet.net/research/chap2.shtml#2.1

Do you really believe that the statistics gathered from this kind  
of survey could be

assumed to be  valid?



Well, maybe if the inquisition did the study and the Roman Catholic  
church ran everything.


Interesting perhaps, in an anecdotal way, as a precursor to a pilot  
study.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

Hey, guy,

No real damage done. Don't fret too much!

Thanks for your apology, though.

I posted another message to you on another thread before I caught this one.

But I will now  honor my offer not to correspond with you if you'll do likewise.

If you ever feel like posting back in forth in a non-attacking manner, I'm game 
for that 
too.

Good luck finding your feet on FFL. It's no easy task!

J.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> John Knapp,
> 
> My apologies, this place is wild. I think I'll take a nice shower and 
> read for a while.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > This message was not intended for you, Dan.
> > 
> > I was replying to feste37.
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm "Still reading and responding". I was told theis was 
> some 
> > > kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, 
> you 
> > > bad guy gunslingers forgot to load up. Bring on a few more so we 
> can 
> > > make it a fair fight (or come up to Harlem) or the Middle East to 
> get 
> > > real.
> > > 
> > > To answer your question: "I'm loving it" Thanks for the fun, 
> punks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still reading and responding, I see.
> > > > 
> > > > Are you content with your spiritual life -- and other aspects 
> of 
> > > your life?
> > > > 
> > > > J.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your 
> > > website
> > > > > demonstrates. End of conversation. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More "spiritual" name calling, feste37.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of 
> my 
> > > life.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Are you content in yours? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I gotta tell you, your posts come across as angry, unhappy, 
> > > fearful.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Naturally, I have as much right as anyone to post here.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you don't like what I write, there's no need to read my 
> > > posts.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Much less respond to them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why do you continue to do so?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > J.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not answering your questions because I am not going 
> to 
> > > play your
> > > > > > > silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM 
> movement 
> > > again is
> > > > > > > a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want 
> you. 
> > > Go away. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, 
> LMSW"
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please stop trying to "therapize" me. I am immune to 
> it. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is 
> > > ridiculous.
> > > > > You are
> > > > > > > > > not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why 
> > > should
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > > take any notice of you? You chose to leave, so stick 
> to 
> > > your
> > > > > decision.
> > > > > > > > > In any case, I can't imagine that anyone would ever 
> trust 
> > > you
> > > > > again. 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > No one's trying to "therapize" you.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I'm glad you are immune to it -- whatever that is.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I do note, however, you chose not to answer any of my 
> > > questions.
> > > > > > > Some might take that as 
> > > > > > > > a position of weakness. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I do not have to be part of the TM Movement to want to 
> > > reform it. In
> > > > > > > some regards, I will 
> > > > > > > > always be a TM teacher. It was part of me for a very 
> long 
> > > time. It
> > > > > > > still is.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Many former Catholics are active in reform 
> organizations. 
> > > Many
> > > > > > > expatriates are eager to 
> > > > > > > > reform the policies of the US -- particularly the 
> current 
> > > ones. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This doesn't in any way seem like a paradox to me.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "Leaving" the TM Movement is not a black/white thing, 
> > > either. I
> > > > > > > would like to be proud of 
> > > > > > > > the Movement again. If it were to become accountable as 
> a 
> > > spiritual
> > > > > > > organization in the 
> > > > > > > > ways I outlined, I could imagine wanting to be 
> associated 
> > > with
> > > > > it again.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Some peopl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do I win a prize?

[danfriedman2002]

John,

My reply was to accept your bilateral posting halt.

The responses generated to the deserving few are the measure of 
karma, no less no more.

I enjoy the diversity that life offers, and I guess this is part of 
That.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, Dan,
> 
> Read my message again. I offered to stop posting you if you agreed 
to stop attacking me.
> 
> You haven't indicated if you will accept that deal or not, so I 
don't see how I am solely 
> bound by it.
> 
> You haven't answered my questions about whether you enjoy 
inflicting pain or not.
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > 
> > And you just agreed to stop posting me. Where's your self-control?
> > Need counseling?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > for the newbee who brought the message count up to 1,000 in 
the 
> > last 7 
> > > > days?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I think you grossly overestimate your power. 
> > > 
> > > Very few people have responded to you.
> > > 
> > > I think the rise in correspondence here has little or nothing 
to do 
> > with your unpleasant posts.
> > > 
> > > J.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Report of Germany's Institute for Youth and Society on TM; was Trancenet

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:39 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > So, ask John if he still stands behind promoting/publicizing this  
> > particular
> > bit of "scientific" research?
> >
> > http://trancenet.net/research/index.shtml
> >
> > "The Report of Germany's Institute for Youth and Society on TM"
> 
> 
> I know pro-TMers bring this up every now and then. What's the deal  
> here? (sorry don't read German)
> 
> It would seem to me who cares what a court decided? If the below is  
> true, that's damning enough in and of itself--and although legally it  
> was overturned at one point, if you are a therapist and concerned for  
> people's well-being, isn't this STILL very disturbing? Have the  
> statistics themselves been authentically disputed or was it merely  
> overturned in a legal sense? What WAS the final finding and are those  
> findings authentic or "planted"?:
> 
> 76% of long-term meditators experience psychological disorders --  
> including 26% nervous breakdowns
> 63% experience serious physical complaints
> 70% recorded a worsening ability to concentrate
> Researchers found a startling drop in honesty among long-term meditators
> Plus a detailed examination of the history, culture, and secret  
> teachings of the TM movement.
>

The statistics are inevitable due to how the survey (not "study" in any usual 
sense)
was conducted:

a few pople had complaints they attributed to TM. Interview them and ask them
for more names of people who had comlaints baout TM. Interview THEM
and ask them for names of other people who had complaints about TM. Continue
until you have attempted to interview every reference, 

Compile the complaints. Report.

All told, out of the 100,000 or so people who had learned TM in German at that
time, plus parents and spouses of TMers, they managed to interview 67 people 
willing to respond.

Of those, 30 were parents of TMers, 10 were married partners of TMers who gave
reports about the effect of TM on their spouses, and 27 were former TMers.

http://www.trancenet.net/research/chap2.shtml#2.1

Do you really believe that the statistics gathered from this kind of survey 
could be
assumed to be  valid?

When I described this survey's methods on a sci.psychology newsgroup, one 
respondant, whose name coinicidentally sounded Jewish, said that it was 
disturbingly
like the metholodolgy used by Nazis at the start of WWII to justify Nazi 
activities
against Jews.




Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[Vaj]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:18 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The re-arrival of John Knapp on FFL, and the
reaction of the TM TBs to his presence, has
brought an issue into focus for me, so I
figured I'd throw it out for others to react
to. Or not, if you don't think it's relevant.

Most of the people who have reacted so nega-
tively and so *strongly* to John in the last
few days are doing so based on their *past*
interactions with him. They even say this.

This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells
in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste.
Their message is consistent: "Why should we
trust what John says in the present, because
his past actions (as we see them, that is)
have convinced us that he is not to be
trusted."


Well, here's the thing...

If John has changed, then why the hell does he feel
a need to come and talk about TM at all?



When you've had a bowel movement, didn't you ever take a gander at it  
before you flushed?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do I win a prize?

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

No, Dan,

Read my message again. I offered to stop posting you if you agreed to stop 
attacking me.

You haven't indicated if you will accept that deal or not, so I don't see how I 
am solely 
bound by it.

You haven't answered my questions about whether you enjoy inflicting pain or 
not.

J.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> John,
> 
> And you just agreed to stop posting me. Where's your self-control?
> Need counseling?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > for the newbee who brought the message count up to 1,000 in the 
> last 7 
> > > days?
> > >
> > 
> > I think you grossly overestimate your power. 
> > 
> > Very few people have responded to you.
> > 
> > I think the rise in correspondence here has little or nothing to do 
> with your unpleasant posts.
> > 
> > J.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> But I remained one screwed up puppy. 

Why don't you get a checking - it works ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] A word from Dan's sponsor (was Re: The Newbie Western)

[danfriedman2002]

Turq,

Is there an explaination for why you need to communicate in fantasy 
format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think I'll go take a shower now.
> 
> The preceding (http://tinyurl.com/68su6u) was 
> brought to you by the Global Country of World
> Peace. It is the first in a series of inter-
> active Internet marketing campaigns aimed at 
> demonstrating the benefits of the Transcendental 
> Mediation(TM) and TM-Siddhis(TM) programs. 
> 
> Our volunteer spokesperson has been practicing
> these programs for nearly 40 years. He attended
> one of the first TM in-residence courses offered
> in the U.S., in Estes Park, CO. We feel that he
> is an exemplary example of the benefits that TM
> and the TM-Siddhis can bring to your life. 
> 
> We chose Dan Friedman as our spokesperson -- we
> could have chosen anyone with 40 years experience
> with the best, most effective form of meditation
> and self discovery on the planet -- because we
> felt that he exemplified everything that we and
> our movement stand for. If you've forgotten,
> here are a few of the benefits that TM and the
> TM-Siddhis have brought to Dan, and which you
> can share in if you find his testimonial impres-
> sive. (And if you have 2500 bucks lying around,
> of course.) Learn TM today and in 40 years you
> too could be as perfect an example of these
> traits as he is:
> 
> # Clearer Thinking: Develop your full mental potential, 
> improve your memory, enhance creativity, and sharpen 
> your intellect.
> 
> # More Fulfilling Relationships: Enjoy closer friendships, 
> increased calmness, more self-confidence, and less anxiety 
> and stress.
> 
> # A Peaceful World: Contribute your share to world peace 
> by reducing your own stress level and radiating an influence 
> of harmony to your surroundings.
> 
> # Personal Growth: Experience Transcendental Consciousness 
> at the quietest level of your mind, and grow toward higher 
> states of consciousness -- enlightenment.
> 
> # Uniquely Valuable: No other technique of personal develop-
> ment has been verified by scientific research to reliably 
> produce such a wide range of benefits.
> 
> # Transformation: Choose what you want to be, and begin to 
> achieve it with the regular practice of the Transcendental 
> Meditation program.
> 
> We now return you to your originally-scheduled
> programming.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[danfriedman2002]

John Knapp,

My apologies, this place is wild. I think I'll take a nice shower and 
read for a while.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This message was not intended for you, Dan.
> 
> I was replying to feste37.
> 
> J.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I'm "Still reading and responding". I was told theis was 
some 
> > kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, 
you 
> > bad guy gunslingers forgot to load up. Bring on a few more so we 
can 
> > make it a fair fight (or come up to Harlem) or the Middle East to 
get 
> > real.
> > 
> > To answer your question: "I'm loving it" Thanks for the fun, 
punks.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Still reading and responding, I see.
> > > 
> > > Are you content with your spiritual life -- and other aspects 
of 
> > your life?
> > > 
> > > J.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your 
> > website
> > > > demonstrates. End of conversation. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > More "spiritual" name calling, feste37.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of 
my 
> > life.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Are you content in yours? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I gotta tell you, your posts come across as angry, unhappy, 
> > fearful.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Naturally, I have as much right as anyone to post here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you don't like what I write, there's no need to read my 
> > posts.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Much less respond to them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why do you continue to do so?
> > > > > 
> > > > > J.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not answering your questions because I am not going 
to 
> > play your
> > > > > > silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM 
movement 
> > again is
> > > > > > a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want 
you. 
> > Go away. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, 
LMSW"
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please stop trying to "therapize" me. I am immune to 
it. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is 
> > ridiculous.
> > > > You are
> > > > > > > > not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why 
> > should
> > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > take any notice of you? You chose to leave, so stick 
to 
> > your
> > > > decision.
> > > > > > > > In any case, I can't imagine that anyone would ever 
trust 
> > you
> > > > again. 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > No one's trying to "therapize" you.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm glad you are immune to it -- whatever that is.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I do note, however, you chose not to answer any of my 
> > questions.
> > > > > > Some might take that as 
> > > > > > > a position of weakness. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I do not have to be part of the TM Movement to want to 
> > reform it. In
> > > > > > some regards, I will 
> > > > > > > always be a TM teacher. It was part of me for a very 
long 
> > time. It
> > > > > > still is.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Many former Catholics are active in reform 
organizations. 
> > Many
> > > > > > expatriates are eager to 
> > > > > > > reform the policies of the US -- particularly the 
current 
> > ones. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This doesn't in any way seem like a paradox to me.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Leaving" the TM Movement is not a black/white thing, 
> > either. I
> > > > > > would like to be proud of 
> > > > > > > the Movement again. If it were to become accountable as 
a 
> > spiritual
> > > > > > organization in the 
> > > > > > > ways I outlined, I could imagine wanting to be 
associated 
> > with
> > > > it again.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Some people *don't* trust me. That much is evident. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But many do! I make my living and follow my career, 
which 
> > is based
> > > > > > on trust.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It appears difficult for you to imagine people trust 
me. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What does it feel like to know so many disagree with 
your 
> > position?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > J.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] A word from Dan's sponsor (was Re: The Newbie Western)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think I'll go take a shower now.

The preceding (http://tinyurl.com/68su6u) was 
brought to you by the Global Country of World
Peace. It is the first in a series of inter-
active Internet marketing campaigns aimed at 
demonstrating the benefits of the Transcendental 
Mediation(TM) and TM-Siddhis(TM) programs. 

Our volunteer spokesperson has been practicing
these programs for nearly 40 years. He attended
one of the first TM in-residence courses offered
in the U.S., in Estes Park, CO. We feel that he
is an exemplary example of the benefits that TM
and the TM-Siddhis can bring to your life. 

We chose Dan Friedman as our spokesperson -- we
could have chosen anyone with 40 years experience
with the best, most effective form of meditation
and self discovery on the planet -- because we
felt that he exemplified everything that we and
our movement stand for. If you've forgotten,
here are a few of the benefits that TM and the
TM-Siddhis have brought to Dan, and which you
can share in if you find his testimonial impres-
sive. (And if you have 2500 bucks lying around,
of course.) Learn TM today and in 40 years you
too could be as perfect an example of these
traits as he is:

# Clearer Thinking: Develop your full mental potential, 
improve your memory, enhance creativity, and sharpen 
your intellect.

# More Fulfilling Relationships: Enjoy closer friendships, 
increased calmness, more self-confidence, and less anxiety 
and stress.

# A Peaceful World: Contribute your share to world peace 
by reducing your own stress level and radiating an influence 
of harmony to your surroundings.

# Personal Growth: Experience Transcendental Consciousness 
at the quietest level of your mind, and grow toward higher 
states of consciousness -- enlightenment.

# Uniquely Valuable: No other technique of personal develop-
ment has been verified by scientific research to reliably 
produce such a wide range of benefits.

# Transformation: Choose what you want to be, and begin to 
achieve it with the regular practice of the Transcendental 
Meditation program.

We now return you to your originally-scheduled
programming.

Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: "People can't change"

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The re-arrival of John Knapp on FFL, and the
> reaction of the TM TBs to his presence, has
> brought an issue into focus for me, so I 
> figured I'd throw it out for others to react
> to. Or not, if you don't think it's relevant.
> 
> Most of the people who have reacted so nega-
> tively and so *strongly* to John in the last
> few days are doing so based on their *past* 
> interactions with him. They even say this.
> 
> This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells
> in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste.
> Their message is consistent: "Why should we
> trust what John says in the present, because 
> his past actions (as we see them, that is)
> have convinced us that he is not to be
> trusted."

Well, here's the thing...

If John has changed, then why the hell does he feel
a need to come and talk about TM at all?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do I win a prize?

[danfriedman2002]

John,

And you just agreed to stop posting me. Where's your self-control?
Need counseling?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
 wrote:
> >
> > for the newbee who brought the message count up to 1,000 in the 
last 7 
> > days?
> >
> 
> I think you grossly overestimate your power. 
> 
> Very few people have responded to you.
> 
> I think the rise in correspondence here has little or nothing to do 
with your unpleasant posts.
> 
> J.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:58 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
> >> silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement again is
> >> a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want you. Go away.
> >>
> >
> >  Clearly the writer here is saturated in the fullness of being from  
> > many years experience of
> > dipping the cloth.
> >
> >  Where do I sign up?
> 
> 
> http://www.naturalstressreliefusa.org/
> 
> Same as TM. Scientifically proven! Check out the graphs!
> 
> Although this technique is comparable with the Transcendental  
> Meditation� program taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the  
> organizations he founded, we are completely independent from them.  
> The technique we teach is much less expensive than TM�, has none of  
> the mysticism, yet leads to the same goal: a stress-free, more  
> loving, creative, productive, and satisfying life.
>


Of course, the research is published... where, again?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting article on near death experiences

[danfriedman2002]

moderation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of satvadude108
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:59 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting article on near death 
experiences
> 
>  
> 
> Difficult to believe Dan. Attention whores normally
> read all posts pertaining to themselves.
> 
> You really should go back and read it. Its quite good
> and captures you nicely.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/181201
> 
> Thanks for calling my attention to that, my first LOL of the day.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Any explanations?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I normally can't think my TM mantra during inhalation
> > > without having a nasty feeling in my head. No amount
> > > of theoretical knowledge of how mantra should be used
> > > in TM seems to be able to fix that.
> > 
> > Why do you think your mantra should be thought during inhalation?
> 
> I don't think it *should* be, I just wonder why I feel so bad
> when I happen to do that, and thus *avoid* doing it, which is IMO
> against Maharishi's instructions.
> 

I think the instruction for pain while thinking the mantra is:

stop trying to think the mantra.

[...]
> Well, actually during my best meditations I tend to think about
> some "problems" (like for instance a translation for 
> a suutra, that seems especially tricky) , and often find new,
> surprising ways to see them, and also find "solutions". But then I
> might sit there "meditating" for about an hour, or so. :D
>

I wonder at the term "best" meditation.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do I win a prize?

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> for the newbee who brought the message count up to 1,000 in the last 7 
> days?
>

I think you grossly overestimate your power. 

Very few people have responded to you.

I think the rise in correspondence here has little or nothing to do with your 
unpleasant posts.

J.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[danfriedman2002]

Thank you, and best of luck.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > "If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do
> > not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance."
> > 
> > This self-serving advertisement is unworthy of a former TM 
Governor.
> > 
> >
> 
> Dan,
> 
> You asked me not to respond to you a couple of days back. I honored 
your request.
> 
> I wouldn't mind if you would do me the same favor.
> 
> If you'll refrain from attacking me, I'll continue to refrain from 
corresponding with you.
> 
> Meanwhile, I ask you the some of the same questions I asked Judy:
> 
> Do you enjoy inflicting pain on other people?
> 
> Do you know the unpleasant names that are given to people who enjoy 
hurting people?
> 
> How do you square this with following the Maharishi's spiritual 
path?
> 
> Do you think he would approve?
> 
> In my experience, people who enjoy inflicting pain do so for a 
mixture of reasons: 
> pleasure, an attempt to garner power and control, an innate sense 
of superiority masking 
> inferiority.
> 
> Do any of these ring true for you?
> 
> J.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Newbie Western

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's clear with every word you utter.

OK cool, I didn't know it was so obvious.  I thought you were just
being a troll there for a second.  






> 
> I think I'll go take a shower now.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis,
> > > 
> > > You deserve your misery. Don't think that visiting a message 
> board 
> > > will improve that.
> > 
> > Misery?  You got the wrong guy.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with 
> the 
> > > next 
> > > > > life,
> > > > 
> > > > Seems like a pretty harsh judgment of Maharishi to me.  After 
> the
> > > > passing of his life partner he just never ran into anyone who 
> could 
> > > be
> > > > called "His Divinity."
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Turq,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I went back and read a few of your posts to me (if you still 
> can 
> > > > > remeMber, I requested that you not, but that was for your own 
> > > > > protection). I haven't read this one but expect it's the same 
> > > closed-
> > > > > minded, antagonistic drivel.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It appears that you somehow blame the U.S. for the terrorist 
> > > attacks, 
> > > > > while my frinds serve in the Middle East. You don't like 
> Harlem, 
> > > so 
> > > > > what are your feelings about Jews?
> > > > > 
> > > > > You do like fucking, when there are horses involved, so I 
> expect 
> > > that 
> > > > > it's lonely at the beach. You moved to Spain, because you're 
> an 
> > > > > outcast.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with 
> the 
> > > next 
> > > > > life, but remember:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Strong belief and rutting against something, is NO CONVICTION 
> AT 
> > > ALL.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [ The set is a Western-style saloon, a lot like
> > > > > > the one in "Desperado," but with a lower class
> > > > > > of clientele. ]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regular1: So WTF with this ME stuff, eh?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regular2: Yeah, WTF?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regular3: I hear that the whole territory around
> > > > > > Fairfield has pretty much washed away, and they're
> > > > > > still raising money for new butt-bouncers because
> > > > > > they control the weather. WTF?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > WomanRegular1: But the ME *could* still work; it
> > > > > > hasn't been thoroughly disproved yet!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > WomanRegular2: Yeah, and monkeys could fly out of
> > > > > > my butt. That hasn't been disproved, either.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > GuysAtTheBar: Yeah! WTF!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [ Just then a stranger walks in. Conversation stops
> > > > > > for a moment as everyone turns to check him out. 
> > > > > > It doesn't take long. He's obviously from somewhere
> > > > > > Back East, maybe even  Nw Yawk. The
> > > > > > stranger is such a dweeb that he doesn't realize
> > > > > > that he's being checked out. ]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Newb: So hey guys. I heard you talking about boats.
> > > > > > You can't cross the river in more than one boat,
> > > > > > you know.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [ Deep silence, broken only by the clinking of 
> > > > > > glasses as everyone turns back to their beer and
> > > > > > their real conversations. ]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > WomanRegular2: Sounds like there's a new preacher
> > > > > > in town. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Newb: Why are you attacking me? Bartender! Why are
> > > > > > you allowing this woman to attack me? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bartender: What woman? Oh, you mean Sal. Pay no
> > > > > > attention to her...we don't. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Newb: But shouldn't you DO something? MODERATE
> > > > > > her or something?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bartender: We don't really moderate around here,
> > > > > > stranger. We don't think it's necessary.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Newb: But this bar would be SO much better if you
> > > > > > moderated...uh...people like this Sal, and kept
> > > > > > her from attacking well-intentioned strangers!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > GuysAtTheBar: WTF? You don't LIKE our bar?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Newb: I can tell that all of you people are low-
> > > > > > vibe and unevolved and that you'd NEVER understand
> > > > > > the complexity and the motives of someone as high
> > > > > > and evolved as I am. So I'm going to stand here
> > > > > > and shout at you for a while to try to uplift and
> > > > > > educate you before I run away to the Victorian
> > > > > > Teahouse, where I hear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

This message was not intended for you, Dan.

I was replying to feste37.

J.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm "Still reading and responding". I was told theis was some 
> kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, you 
> bad guy gunslingers forgot to load up. Bring on a few more so we can 
> make it a fair fight (or come up to Harlem) or the Middle East to get 
> real.
> 
> To answer your question: "I'm loving it" Thanks for the fun, punks.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Still reading and responding, I see.
> > 
> > Are you content with your spiritual life -- and other aspects of 
> your life?
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your 
> website
> > > demonstrates. End of conversation. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > More "spiritual" name calling, feste37.
> > > > 
> > > > I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of my 
> life.
> > > > 
> > > > Are you content in yours? 
> > > > 
> > > > I gotta tell you, your posts come across as angry, unhappy, 
> fearful.
> > > > 
> > > > Naturally, I have as much right as anyone to post here.
> > > > 
> > > > If you don't like what I write, there's no need to read my 
> posts.
> > > > 
> > > > Much less respond to them.
> > > > 
> > > > Why do you continue to do so?
> > > > 
> > > > J.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to 
> play your
> > > > > silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement 
> again is
> > > > > a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want you. 
> Go away. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please stop trying to "therapize" me. I am immune to it. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is 
> ridiculous.
> > > You are
> > > > > > > not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why 
> should
> > > anyone
> > > > > > > take any notice of you? You chose to leave, so stick to 
> your
> > > decision.
> > > > > > > In any case, I can't imagine that anyone would ever trust 
> you
> > > again. 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > No one's trying to "therapize" you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm glad you are immune to it -- whatever that is.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do note, however, you chose not to answer any of my 
> questions.
> > > > > Some might take that as 
> > > > > > a position of weakness. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do not have to be part of the TM Movement to want to 
> reform it. In
> > > > > some regards, I will 
> > > > > > always be a TM teacher. It was part of me for a very long 
> time. It
> > > > > still is.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Many former Catholics are active in reform organizations. 
> Many
> > > > > expatriates are eager to 
> > > > > > reform the policies of the US -- particularly the current 
> ones. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This doesn't in any way seem like a paradox to me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Leaving" the TM Movement is not a black/white thing, 
> either. I
> > > > > would like to be proud of 
> > > > > > the Movement again. If it were to become accountable as a 
> spiritual
> > > > > organization in the 
> > > > > > ways I outlined, I could imagine wanting to be associated 
> with
> > > it again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Some people *don't* trust me. That much is evident. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But many do! I make my living and follow my career, which 
> is based
> > > > > on trust.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It appears difficult for you to imagine people trust me. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What does it feel like to know so many disagree with your 
> position?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > J.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[John M. Knapp, LMSW]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do
> not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance."
> 
> This self-serving advertisement is unworthy of a former TM Governor.
> 
>

Dan,

You asked me not to respond to you a couple of days back. I honored your 
request.

I wouldn't mind if you would do me the same favor.

If you'll refrain from attacking me, I'll continue to refrain from 
corresponding with you.

Meanwhile, I ask you the some of the same questions I asked Judy:

Do you enjoy inflicting pain on other people?

Do you know the unpleasant names that are given to people who enjoy hurting 
people?

How do you square this with following the Maharishi's spiritual path?

Do you think he would approve?

In my experience, people who enjoy inflicting pain do so for a mixture of 
reasons: 
pleasure, an attempt to garner power and control, an innate sense of 
superiority masking 
inferiority.

Do any of these ring true for you?

J.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting article on near death experiences

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of satvadude108
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:59 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting article on near death experiences

 

Difficult to believe Dan. Attention whores normally
read all posts pertaining to themselves.

You really should go back and read it. Its quite good
and captures you nicely.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/181201

Thanks for calling my attention to that, my first LOL of the day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Newbie Western

[danfriedman2002]

It's clear with every word you utter.

I think I'll go take a shower now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis,
> > 
> > You deserve your misery. Don't think that visiting a message 
board 
> > will improve that.
> 
> Misery?  You got the wrong guy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with 
the 
> > next 
> > > > life,
> > > 
> > > Seems like a pretty harsh judgment of Maharishi to me.  After 
the
> > > passing of his life partner he just never ran into anyone who 
could 
> > be
> > > called "His Divinity."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Turq,
> > > > 
> > > > I went back and read a few of your posts to me (if you still 
can 
> > > > remeMber, I requested that you not, but that was for your own 
> > > > protection). I haven't read this one but expect it's the same 
> > closed-
> > > > minded, antagonistic drivel.
> > > > 
> > > > It appears that you somehow blame the U.S. for the terrorist 
> > attacks, 
> > > > while my frinds serve in the Middle East. You don't like 
Harlem, 
> > so 
> > > > what are your feelings about Jews?
> > > > 
> > > > You do like fucking, when there are horses involved, so I 
expect 
> > that 
> > > > it's lonely at the beach. You moved to Spain, because you're 
an 
> > > > outcast.
> > > > 
> > > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with 
the 
> > next 
> > > > life, but remember:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Strong belief and rutting against something, is NO CONVICTION 
AT 
> > ALL.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > [ The set is a Western-style saloon, a lot like
> > > > > the one in "Desperado," but with a lower class
> > > > > of clientele. ]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular1: So WTF with this ME stuff, eh?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular2: Yeah, WTF?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular3: I hear that the whole territory around
> > > > > Fairfield has pretty much washed away, and they're
> > > > > still raising money for new butt-bouncers because
> > > > > they control the weather. WTF?
> > > > > 
> > > > > WomanRegular1: But the ME *could* still work; it
> > > > > hasn't been thoroughly disproved yet!
> > > > > 
> > > > > WomanRegular2: Yeah, and monkeys could fly out of
> > > > > my butt. That hasn't been disproved, either.
> > > > > 
> > > > > GuysAtTheBar: Yeah! WTF!
> > > > > 
> > > > > [ Just then a stranger walks in. Conversation stops
> > > > > for a moment as everyone turns to check him out. 
> > > > > It doesn't take long. He's obviously from somewhere
> > > > > Back East, maybe even  Nw Yawk. The
> > > > > stranger is such a dweeb that he doesn't realize
> > > > > that he's being checked out. ]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: So hey guys. I heard you talking about boats.
> > > > > You can't cross the river in more than one boat,
> > > > > you know.
> > > > > 
> > > > > [ Deep silence, broken only by the clinking of 
> > > > > glasses as everyone turns back to their beer and
> > > > > their real conversations. ]
> > > > > 
> > > > > WomanRegular2: Sounds like there's a new preacher
> > > > > in town. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: Why are you attacking me? Bartender! Why are
> > > > > you allowing this woman to attack me? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bartender: What woman? Oh, you mean Sal. Pay no
> > > > > attention to her...we don't. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: But shouldn't you DO something? MODERATE
> > > > > her or something?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bartender: We don't really moderate around here,
> > > > > stranger. We don't think it's necessary.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: But this bar would be SO much better if you
> > > > > moderated...uh...people like this Sal, and kept
> > > > > her from attacking well-intentioned strangers!
> > > > > 
> > > > > GuysAtTheBar: WTF? You don't LIKE our bar?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: I can tell that all of you people are low-
> > > > > vibe and unevolved and that you'd NEVER understand
> > > > > the complexity and the motives of someone as high
> > > > > and evolved as I am. So I'm going to stand here
> > > > > and shout at you for a while to try to uplift and
> > > > > educate you before I run away to the Victorian
> > > > > Teahouse, where I hear they know how to have a
> > > > > coherent conversation!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular1: Did you hear something?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular2: Just flies. Ignore them. To be honest,
> > > > > they make the beer taste better.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: But I'm INSULTING you! Don't you hear it?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regular3: So what *about* that ME bullshit, eh?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Newb: Don't you DARE ignore me when I'm shouting
> > > > > at you and INSULTING you

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Turq,
> 
> You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where 
> you are.
> 
> I was in the WTC. You suck

Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Newbie Western

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis,
> 
> You deserve your misery. Don't think that visiting a message board 
> will improve that.

Misery?  You got the wrong guy.





> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with the 
> next 
> > > life,
> > 
> > Seems like a pretty harsh judgment of Maharishi to me.  After the
> > passing of his life partner he just never ran into anyone who could 
> be
> > called "His Divinity."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Turq,
> > > 
> > > I went back and read a few of your posts to me (if you still can 
> > > remeMber, I requested that you not, but that was for your own 
> > > protection). I haven't read this one but expect it's the same 
> closed-
> > > minded, antagonistic drivel.
> > > 
> > > It appears that you somehow blame the U.S. for the terrorist 
> attacks, 
> > > while my frinds serve in the Middle East. You don't like Harlem, 
> so 
> > > what are your feelings about Jews?
> > > 
> > > You do like fucking, when there are horses involved, so I expect 
> that 
> > > it's lonely at the beach. You moved to Spain, because you're an 
> > > outcast.
> > > 
> > > No wife, no family; a pathetic existance. Better luck with the 
> next 
> > > life, but remember:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Strong belief and rutting against something, is NO CONVICTION AT 
> ALL.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > [ The set is a Western-style saloon, a lot like
> > > > the one in "Desperado," but with a lower class
> > > > of clientele. ]
> > > > 
> > > > Regular1: So WTF with this ME stuff, eh?
> > > > 
> > > > Regular2: Yeah, WTF?
> > > > 
> > > > Regular3: I hear that the whole territory around
> > > > Fairfield has pretty much washed away, and they're
> > > > still raising money for new butt-bouncers because
> > > > they control the weather. WTF?
> > > > 
> > > > WomanRegular1: But the ME *could* still work; it
> > > > hasn't been thoroughly disproved yet!
> > > > 
> > > > WomanRegular2: Yeah, and monkeys could fly out of
> > > > my butt. That hasn't been disproved, either.
> > > > 
> > > > GuysAtTheBar: Yeah! WTF!
> > > > 
> > > > [ Just then a stranger walks in. Conversation stops
> > > > for a moment as everyone turns to check him out. 
> > > > It doesn't take long. He's obviously from somewhere
> > > > Back East, maybe even  Nw Yawk. The
> > > > stranger is such a dweeb that he doesn't realize
> > > > that he's being checked out. ]
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: So hey guys. I heard you talking about boats.
> > > > You can't cross the river in more than one boat,
> > > > you know.
> > > > 
> > > > [ Deep silence, broken only by the clinking of 
> > > > glasses as everyone turns back to their beer and
> > > > their real conversations. ]
> > > > 
> > > > WomanRegular2: Sounds like there's a new preacher
> > > > in town. 
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: Why are you attacking me? Bartender! Why are
> > > > you allowing this woman to attack me? 
> > > > 
> > > > Bartender: What woman? Oh, you mean Sal. Pay no
> > > > attention to her...we don't. 
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: But shouldn't you DO something? MODERATE
> > > > her or something?
> > > > 
> > > > Bartender: We don't really moderate around here,
> > > > stranger. We don't think it's necessary.
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: But this bar would be SO much better if you
> > > > moderated...uh...people like this Sal, and kept
> > > > her from attacking well-intentioned strangers!
> > > > 
> > > > GuysAtTheBar: WTF? You don't LIKE our bar?
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: I can tell that all of you people are low-
> > > > vibe and unevolved and that you'd NEVER understand
> > > > the complexity and the motives of someone as high
> > > > and evolved as I am. So I'm going to stand here
> > > > and shout at you for a while to try to uplift and
> > > > educate you before I run away to the Victorian
> > > > Teahouse, where I hear they know how to have a
> > > > coherent conversation!
> > > > 
> > > > Regular1: Did you hear something?
> > > > 
> > > > Regular2: Just flies. Ignore them. To be honest,
> > > > they make the beer taste better.
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: But I'm INSULTING you! Don't you hear it?
> > > > 
> > > > Regular3: So what *about* that ME bullshit, eh?
> > > > 
> > > > Newb: Don't you DARE ignore me when I'm shouting
> > > > at you and INSULTING you. Turn around and fight
> > > > me before I run away! I demand that you treat
> > > > me with the respect that I deserve. Turn around
> > > > and FIGHT, you cowards!!!
> > > > 
> > > > [ About seven or eight guys get up and start
> > > > walking towards the Newb, who blanches visibly.
> > > > He stares at them, terrified that at any moment
> > > > they're going to reach for their guns and shoot
> > > > him. They advance upon the Newb 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting article on near death experiences

[danfriedman2002]

never read your words
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Difficult to believe Dan. Attention whores normally
> read all posts pertaining to themselves.
> 
> You really should go back and read it. Its quite good
> and captures you nicely.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/181201
> 
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > I did not read TurquoiseB's Western, psychotic.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > An intensive care nurse publishes an academic book about 
near 
> > death
> > > > > experiences following 10 years of research.
> > > > > 
> > > > > <   > /2/hi/uk_news/wales/7463606.stm>
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-
/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7463606.stm 
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Did you just hear a huge scream of rage?
> > > > 
> > > > I spent half an hour typing out a response to this
> > > > because it's always been of interest to me and I 
> > > > might have uncovered a crucial bit of info about it.
> > > > I got to within one sentence of finishing and kicked 
> > > > the frikkin restart button.
> > > > 
> > > > I will have another go after I've recovered my composure.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Yes, I heard the scream but thought it was Dan completing 
> > > his psychotic breakdown after reading TurquoiseB's 
> > > Western.
> > > 
> > > Sorry for your loss.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!

[danfriedman2002]

Yes, I'm "Still reading and responding". I was told theis was some 
kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, you 
bad guy gunslingers forgot to load up. Bring on a few more so we can 
make it a fair fight (or come up to Harlem) or the Middle East to get 
real.

To answer your question: "I'm loving it" Thanks for the fun, punks.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Still reading and responding, I see.
> 
> Are you content with your spiritual life -- and other aspects of 
your life?
> 
> J.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your 
website
> > demonstrates. End of conversation. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > More "spiritual" name calling, feste37.
> > > 
> > > I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of my 
life.
> > > 
> > > Are you content in yours? 
> > > 
> > > I gotta tell you, your posts come across as angry, unhappy, 
fearful.
> > > 
> > > Naturally, I have as much right as anyone to post here.
> > > 
> > > If you don't like what I write, there's no need to read my 
posts.
> > > 
> > > Much less respond to them.
> > > 
> > > Why do you continue to do so?
> > > 
> > > J.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to 
play your
> > > > silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement 
again is
> > > > a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want you. 
Go away. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please stop trying to "therapize" me. I am immune to it. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is 
ridiculous.
> > You are
> > > > > > not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why 
should
> > anyone
> > > > > > take any notice of you? You chose to leave, so stick to 
your
> > decision.
> > > > > > In any case, I can't imagine that anyone would ever trust 
you
> > again. 
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one's trying to "therapize" you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm glad you are immune to it -- whatever that is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I do note, however, you chose not to answer any of my 
questions.
> > > > Some might take that as 
> > > > > a position of weakness. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I do not have to be part of the TM Movement to want to 
reform it. In
> > > > some regards, I will 
> > > > > always be a TM teacher. It was part of me for a very long 
time. It
> > > > still is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Many former Catholics are active in reform organizations. 
Many
> > > > expatriates are eager to 
> > > > > reform the policies of the US -- particularly the current 
ones. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This doesn't in any way seem like a paradox to me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Leaving" the TM Movement is not a black/white thing, 
either. I
> > > > would like to be proud of 
> > > > > the Movement again. If it were to become accountable as a 
spiritual
> > > > organization in the 
> > > > > ways I outlined, I could imagine wanting to be associated 
with
> > it again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Some people *don't* trust me. That much is evident. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But many do! I make my living and follow my career, which 
is based
> > > > on trust.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It appears difficult for you to imagine people trust me. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What does it feel like to know so many disagree with your 
position?
> > > > > 
> > > > > J.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>