[FairfieldLife] Dark Energy Increases Acceleration of Universe's Expansion

[John]

To All:

Dr. Fillipenko, a UC Berkely astronomer, confirmed the acceleration of the 
universe's expansion, which was in contradiction to their theoretical 
prediction.  He also said that the galaxies could eventually exceed the speed 
of light in the end.  See

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPkGEVgOJK0

This is perhaps the meaning of the dance of Shiva in which the deity is 
surrounded by fire as he performs the cosmic dance.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Idea That We Only Use 10% Of Our Brains Is A Myth

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> I would believe that conciousness exists with or without 
> the brain and so is not a function of it. A lot of the 
> discussion here would seem to support that theory.

I would tend to agree that many of the people 
here who expound endlessly about consciousness
as if they knew exactly what it was seem to be 
doing so without ever using their brains. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle & Carrey Headline "The Global Alliance For Transformational Entertainment"

[TurquoiseB]

Good for them. If it just gets a few different 
archetypes into the movies and onto TV, that 
alone would be an achievement IMO.

I've long been a fan of Russell Crowe, for his
role *choices* as much as for his portrayal of
the roles. He *consistently* chooses characters
who have an "ethical center," and thus puts those
types of personalities "out there" in the public
awareness. In films like L.A. Confidential, The 
Insider, Gladiator, Proof Of Life, Master And
Commander, Body Of Lies, and even in 3:10 To Yuma,
in which he plays the bad guy, Crowe has excelled
at portraying those moments that Carlos Castaneda
called "a cubic centimeter of chance" onscreen,
moments in which the character has the choice of
doing the right thing or doing the wrong thing.
By showing us characters who do the right thing,
Crowe allows audiences to see that occasionally 
there is such a thing as "the right thing." At
least in fiction. :-)

One of the reasons, I suspect, is that he could
"play the hero" in his sleep. The director of Proof
Of Life was once asked why he ended the film with
an almost two-minute shot of Crowe standing alone,
saying not a single word. He replied, "Because I
can." Crowe is iconographic...all you have to do
is point the camera at him and allow his face to
tell the story more potently than words could.

There are so *many* images of the character *without*
ethics in our films and our TV -- in The Shield and
similar works even the heroes are essentially villains.
There is *no difference* between the actions of the
heroes and the villains, or even if there is, there
seems to be no ethical thought given *to* those actions.
I like Crowe because his face can express the ethical
questions churning in him below the surface, and thus
remind the people in the audience that these are ques-
tions that *should* be pondered from time to time.

I'm of the opinion that one of the biggest problems
with America -- and, because its tastes tend to define
taste for much of the rest of the world -- is that it
has "mediocre dreams." The old myths, the ones that
posed Big Questions and asked its characters for Big
Decisions to deal with them, are few and far between.
My suspicion is that a kid could watch TV and movies
for a week straight without encountering even one 
character who really fits into the archetype described
so well by Joseph Campbell in "The Hero With a Thousand
Faces." My further suspicion is that this lack of heroes
in our "group dreams" (our movies, our TV, our books,
our music) is directly related to how few kids grow up
to act like heroes themselves, or even grow up with a
rudimentary sense of what the word "ethics" means.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> JIM CARREY AND FRIENDS OPT FOR CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING OVER LAKERS
> By James Rainey
> Los Angeles Times
> June 5, 2009
> 
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/06/jim-carrey-and
> -friends-hollywood-lose-your-mind.html
> 
> Some might say that spirituality and Hollywood go together like sensitivity
> and pro wrestling.
> 
> But that¹s just the kind of habitual/stereotypical thinking that more than
> 500 entertainment industry types vowed to vanquish at a conference Thursday
> night as they came together for the first meeting of the Global Alliance for
> Transformational Entertainment (GATE).
> 
> Spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle and movie star/seeker Jim Carrey headlined
> the more-than-three-hour session at an auditorium on the Fox lot in Century
> City. Along with singer Melissa Etheridge and several other speakers, they
> urged their colleagues in film, television, music and other media to
> transcend the tawdry and mundane with higher-minded fair.
> 
> It must have been important to those packed into the meeting. They missed
> the Lakers' opening championship-round game to be there.
> 
> Producer John Raatz, who formed the organization, said the time is ripe in
> the entertainment industry for an ³up-leveling of consciousness² that, in
> turn, would lead to more work delving into the spiritual and divine.
> 
> Many attending the session and pledging to join in future work follow the
> teachings of Tolle, the best-selling author of ³The Power of Now² and other
> books. The German-born Tolle echoes the Buddhist view that most of humanity
> is captive to the mind and obsessive thinking, patterns that can be broken
> through meditation and other techniques.
> 
> Participants said they hoped their own spiritual practices would free them
> from the mundane and prurient and lead them to projects with high
> aspirations, like combating hunger. HBO executive Scott Carlin told the
> gathering -- which included Garry Shandling, Billy Zane and Jackson Browne
> -- that audiences were yearning ³for the sense of being nourished deeply.²
> 
> When he took the stage near the end of the evening, Carrey both embraced and
> satirized his nascent guru role. In a short film clip introducing his
> appearance, he cast a be

[FairfieldLife] ‘New York Mining Disaster of 1941’ ~Bee G ees

[Robert]

In the event of something happening to me,
There is something I would like you all to see.
Its just a photograph of someone that I knew.

Have you seen my wife, mr. jones?
Do you know what its like on the outside?
Dont go talking too loud, youll cause a landslide, mr. jones.

I keep straining my ears to hear a sound.
Maybe someone is digging underground,
Or have they given up and all gone home to bed,
Thinking those who once existed must be dead.

Have you seen my wife, mr. jones?
Do you know what its like on the outside?
Dont go talking too loud, youll cause a landslide, mr. jones.

In the event of something happening to me,
There is something I would like you all to see.
Its just a photograph of someone that I knew.

Hvae you seen my wife, mr. jones?
Do you know what its like on the outside?
Dont go talking too loud, youll cause a landslide, mr. jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7nfxx1ulw



  

[FairfieldLife] 'Ghosts in the Rear View Mirror'

[Robert]

Preparing for Sudden Change

Dear Ones,

Did you ever wake up with an uneasy feeling, as if life as you know it
is about to change?  Perhaps you think you know exactly what is about
to happen in your future and precisely where you are headed, well, you
may be wrong.  Some of you are in for big sudden surprises.  We ask
that you remain open and willing to go where life is pointing you,
even if you aren't very happy with the "new" direction at first.  Life
has a way of happening which can be totally unpredictable.

The more you resist new openings, the more difficult the unfolding of
the plan will be.  If someone wants to leave you, help him or her pack
the suitcases.  If your house is lost, smile and search out the next
place.  If you are fired or if your company is downsized, kiss your
boss on the way out.  It just means that something better is about to
appear.

Oh, and remember to keep your perspective clear.  Most everyone thinks
that the person, relationship, job, or whatever they have lost was the
very best.  You quickly forget all the negative aspects of a situation
once you have lost it.  We can guarantee that whatever is behind you
is not nearly as fulfilling as what is in front of you.  Remember if
you were meant to focus on the past, you'd have eyes in the back of
your head!  Why you can't even turn your head all the way around to
see directly behind you.  Why do you think humans were constructed
like that?

Keep your focus on the present moment, always looking forward to the
future where opportunity lies.  You are living in a wonderfully
supportive world where all things are possible, whether you believe it
or not.

So get ready.  Change is near.

We are with you.

(Message of the Voice, received by Phoebe Lauren.   Check Amazon.com
to see all of Phoebe's nine books, including her latest one in
French.  To contact Phoebe, check out her website at:
phoebelauren.com)


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[raunchydog]

I understand where you're coming from, Shemp. In any organization, rigid 
personalities seem to rise to the top in proportion to the amount of ass 
kissing they can do. I'm sorry you have friends that have been so inconsiderate 
of you. You would think they would be happy you enjoy TM. Assholes.  

I've taught TM, practice the TMSP and go to the dome mostly on the weekends.  
Other than that, I don't hang with TM people exclusively. The TM folks I know 
and love are not the rigid types. I've never been involved with the upper 
echelons of the TMO, the folks living in Vedic City in fancy houses. Don't get 
me wrong, I don't begrudge anyone his or her good fortune. It's just that the 
big cheeses in the TMO just happen to be very wealthy. It's a class thing. They 
keep to their circle of friends and I keep to mine.

Most of my PT rehab patients at the hospital don't do TM. Most of my patients 
in private practice are TM'ers. I also associate with TM'ers and Non-TM'ers 
from my involvement with the Democratic Party. Folks who don't know I do TM, 
don't know because they didn't ask and those who know, don't care.

It's not my experience that a TM path and a guru path are incompatible. My 
heart belongs to Maharishi even though I don't do all the routines available.  
I've had patients who are Purusha guys who are absolutely well balanced 
individuals, who do very well being 100% on the program and I've met Purusha 
guys who are a mess, physically and emotionally trying to force themselves to 
be 100% on the program.  They do what they THINK they should rather than what 
FEELS nourishing. Eventually, they leave Purusha and if they manage to eat a 
chicken sandwich and get married, they're happy. 

Shemp, are the folks criticizing you just a bunch of unhappy, ridged, folks or 
are they just mad they're busting their butts trying to get enlightened and 
you're not jumping through all the hoops they are? I decided a long time ago 
that I won't feel bad about myself if I eat meat, stay up late, have sex, have 
a beer or coffee, don't go to the dome every day, etc. etc.  I think it's wrong 
to judge anyone for the choices they make concerning TM. I know there are 
people in the TMO who would judge me for choices I make, but since it's 
nobody's business how I live my life, what they don't know won't kill `em. I 
keep my private business private and share with people I trust.

My heart goes out to you for the unfair criticism you experience but I don't 
see it as the fault of TM.  Rather, folks who gravitated to an organization 
with a smorgasbord of things over which they can make themselves go crazy 
obsessive compulsive; feel they should eat the whole damn meal. I pick and 
choose what feels right and I try to find a place in my heart for all the crazy 
OCD folks as well.  I've worked with quite a few of them in my practice and all 
I can say is, high maintenance folks are a pain in the ass, but I gotta love 
`em for challenging my boundaries and forcing me out of my comfort zone to 
become a better person.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
alkaline body
 
 On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:



Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick
! 

I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did
you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what
what was the question/answer ?
 
 
I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has
commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. The
first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals (money mishandling,
sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were jivan-muktis, that is,
enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of
MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never
repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore,
since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her
opinion is not a very high one. 

I have only asked her questions in public. I have never heard her say
anything negative about Maharishi or any other guru. She's very careful not
to do so. But she did say to a friend that charging money for meditation is
like a mother charging her baby for breast milk - something to that effect.

[FairfieldLife] Global warming = mental spoon bending

[shempmcgurk]

from nationalreview.com


 
Thursday, July 30, 2009



Re: Chemists in Excited State   [Edward John Craig]

Navy Bob doesn't hold back in reacting to this Greg Pollowitz post:

The revolt by American Chemical Society members is one of the most important 
pieces of good news ever in the saga of anthropogenic global warming. When real 
scientists finally get a chance to vent their opposition to global warming 
mythology, and more importantly, to have it published in a widely read 
publication, it's the beginning of the end of the alarmists' stranglehold. Once 
the debate is truly joined, there will be so many holes revealed in standard 
AGW orthodoxy that it will sink without a trace alongside cold fusion, 
polywater and mental spoon bending. The ACS revolt also illustrates the classic 
divide between the views of the members of many large national organizations, 
who are generally normal people scattered across the heartland, and their 
leaders, who more often than not these days are housed in Washington, DC, and 
positioned far to the left of their constituents. The classic example is AARP, 
with a membership of generally conservative elderly folk and a leadership made 
up of flaming Maoists. The American Chemical Society's headquarters is at 16th 
and M Streets, NW — across the street from the National Geographic Society, in 
the middle of the belly of the liberal beast. It's filled from top to bottom 
with hand-wringing, knee-jerking, affirmative-acting Democrats who are probably 
all as shocked as the editor at the visceral outpouring against his absolutely 
ho-hum (to them) platitudes about the looming disaster of global warming and 
the implacable evil of those who would deny it. The carefully stacked cards are 
starting to fall.


07/30 01:15 PMShare
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > > Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
> > > the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
> > 
> > Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
> > "Waiting for the mantra" has never been a part of
> > the TM practice I was instructed in.
> 
> I think she's got ya there Vaj, where did you get the
> idea that TM involved 'waiting for the mantra'?  On the
> contrary whenever you realize you're not repeating the
> mantra (during meditation) you effortlessly come back
> to it, you don't wait for IT to starthu.

He's said it before, several times. And he claims to
have been a TM teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
> > the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
> 
> Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
> "Waiting for the mantra" has never been a part of
> the TM practice I was instructed in.


I think she's got ya there Vaj, where did you get the idea that TM involved 
'waiting for the mantra'?  On the contrary whenever you realize you're not 
repeating the mantra (during meditation) you effortlessly come back to it, you 
don't wait for IT to starthu. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
> the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.

Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
"Waiting for the mantra" has never been a part of
the TM practice I was instructed in.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Idea That We Only Use 10% Of Our Brains Is A Myth

[BillyG.]

Yeah...but all brains are not created equal, some have more loops than others. 
The evolution of the brain is an interesting subject and one I know nothing 
about! :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> DO PEOPLE ONLY USE 10 PERCENT OF THEIR BRAINS?
> By Robynne Boyd 
> Scientific American
> February 7, 2008
> 
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=people-only-use-10-percent-
> of-brain
> 
> The human brain is complex. Along with performing millions of mundane acts,
> it composes concertos, issues manifestos and comes up with elegant solutions
> to equations. It's the wellspring of all human feelings, behaviors,
> experiences as well as the repository of memory and self-awareness. So it's
> no surprise that the brain remains a mystery unto itself.
> 
> Adding to that mystery is the contention that humans "only" employ 10
> percent of their brain. If only regular folk could tap that other 90
> percent, they too could become savants who remember ¼ to the
> twenty-thousandth decimal place or perhaps even have telekinetic powers.
> 
> Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost
> laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
> in Baltimore. Although there's no definitive culprit to pin the blame on for
> starting this legend, the notion has been linked to the American
> psychologist and author William James, who argued in The Energies of Men
> that "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and
> physical resources." It's also been associated with to Albert Einstein, who
> supposedly used it to explain his cosmic towering intellect.
> 
> The myth's durability, Gordon says, stems from people's conceptions about
> their own brains: they see their own shortcomings as evidence of the
> existence of untapped gray matter. This is a false assumption. What is
> correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when
> we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our
> brains.
> 
> "It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and
> that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's
> put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and
> uses 20 percent of the body's energy."
> 
> The average human brain weighs about three pounds and comprises the hefty
> cerebrum, which is the largest portion and performs all higher cognitive
> functions; the cerebellum, responsible for motor functions, such as the
> coordination of movement and balance; and the brain stem, dedicated to
> involuntary functions like breathing. The majority of the energy consumed by
> the brain powers the rapid firing of millions of neurons communicating with
> each other. Scientists think it is such neuronal firing and connecting that
> gives rise to all of the brain's higher functions. The rest of its energy is
> used for controlling other activities -- both unconscious activities, such
> as heart rate, and conscious ones, such as driving a car.
> 
> Although it's true that at any given moment all of the brain's regions are
> not concurrently firing, brain researchers using imaging technology have
> shown that, like the body's muscles, most are continually active over a
> 24-hour period. "Evidence would show over a day you use 100 percent of the
> brain," says John Henley, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester,
> Minn. Even in sleep, areas such as the frontal cortex, which controls things
> like higher level thinking and self-awareness, or the somatosensory areas,
> which help people sense their surroundings, are active, Henley explains.
> 
> Take the simple act of pouring coffee in the morning: In walking toward the
> coffeepot, reaching for it, pouring the brew into the mug, even leaving
> extra room for cream, the occipital and parietal lobes, motor sensory and
> sensory motor cortices, basal ganglia, cerebellum and frontal lobes all
> activate. A lightning storm of neuronal activity occurs almost across the
> entire brain in the time span of a few seconds.
> 
> "This isn't to say that if the brain were damaged that you wouldn't be able
> to perform daily duties," Henley continues. "There are people who have
> injured their brains or had parts of it removed who still live fairly normal
> lives, but that is because the brain has a way of compensating and making
> sure that what's left takes over the activity."
> 
> Being able to map the brain's various regions and functions is part and
> parcel of understanding the possible side effects should a given region
> begin to fail. Experts know that neurons that perform similar functions tend
> to cluster together. For example, neurons that control the thumb's movement
> are arranged next to those that control the forefinger. Thus, when
> undertaking brain surgery, neurosurgeons carefully avoid neural clusters
> related to vision, hearing and movement, enab

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:30 PM, It's just a ride wrote:

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM,  
satvadude108 wrote:

>
> When I took instruction in Mindfullness meditation in '07
> I arbitrarily decided to discontinue my TM. The seeds of
> the old brainwashing still have some life I guess. A few
> months ago, about a year after Mindfullness instruction,
> I began TM again. Practicing them both is neither a strain
> nor a conflict and I realize now that a hiatus of one to learn
> the other was completely unnecessary. I can't quite put my
> finger on it, but there is something very complimentary about
> TM and mindfullness/vipassana practice. As I continue my
> practice I expect that my feelings about that will clarify itself.
> I am glad I have both.
>

IMO Mindfullness meditation is a bit like the first Chopra technique,
the one where the mantra comes out of the heart and then during lie
down you feel the bliss in the body. After having meditated and
performed TMSP for a long time, the habit of taking it as it comes and
going back to the mantra/self is firmly ingrained. From there you
just have to decide if you're going to think the mantra/be aware of
the self (TM/TMSP) or be mindful and pull yourself back when you get
pulled away from being mindful. Being an "expert" in TM/TMSP
technique, mindfulness comes so easily and naturally.

Mindfullness does complement TM/TMSP. You're always trying to get
away from yourself and drop into the Self with TM/TMSP. TM/TMSP is
all about constriction. It's refreshing to just be, just let
sensations, thoughts and emotions be.



Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for the mantra' is a  
natural and important part of TM. IMO what has squelched the  
development of mindfulness in TM is NOT the lack of mindfulness in the  
technique, but instead the institutionalization of the fear of not  
being effortless.


Of course it's also important to point out that mindfulness and  
calmness/transcendence/shamatha are different meditative processes and  
different ways of working with consciousness/mind. From the POV of  
Buddhist meditation, they are not ultimately separate and definitely  
not exclusive but can actually be unified--the union of transcendence  
and mindfulness--which for some paths is the perfect gateway to a  
nondual pointing-out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:14 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> > > > Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
> > >
> > > The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and  
were

> > > inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM
> > cultus. I
> > > was not being specific. Was there some that you felt  
specifically

> > like
> > > talking about? Which ones have you been able to stand back from
> > > objectively?
> > >
> >
> > Vaj, you're the one who made the observation/accusation.  
Therefore,

> > the onus is on YOU to come up with examples of what you are
> > referring to.
> >
> > If you can't, then put up or shut up.
>
>
> Well you've ALREADY told us (numerous times) that some of the  
adjuncts
> to TM that M. insisted we all use to "enliven" our experience of  
"Pure

> Consciousness", many (all?) of these you felt were unessential
> additions (Ayurvedic remedies, herbal "purification" regimes,  
"Vedic"

> architecture, jyotish, yagyas, etc., etc.). What had "staying power"
> in your SCI/Unified field-based college education and what did not?

Did you read my entire post?

I answered that already. See the three points I gave as to why I  
think TM is great and why I started.


Yes I did read it.



> Do
> other old TB grads still talk to you after you have expressed you  
"TM

> purist" ideas or do you avoid rejecting aspects of M's teaching in
> front of them for fear they might (as Rick recently described) sever
> all contact with you?

Again, I answered that. Read the post.


You said they were 180 degrees apart and you had been ostracized. I  
guess I'm to take it that they won't even talk to you any more?


How childish. You're one of the few reasonable TM folks on this list.


> I'm curious how an old time MIU'er integrates that part of old-time,
> "hay day" TM Org thinking and indoctrination with their current  
life.


I meditate twice a day and then go into activity...and do what I  
want to do, eat what I want, and take political positions that I  
want...NOT what the TMO dictates.


Can't say that's true for the TBers.


It is a sad thing. Politics should be left up to the individual.



>
> I've always found your TM/mantra-yoga purism nicely refreshing and
> positive. What were you able to take with you from you SCI/Quantum
> mechanical/Vedic science indoctrinations that were at the same level
> as your appreciation for pure TM practice...and what was not useful?
>
> Perhaps this is too personal a question.
>

The SCI stuff was reasonably useful, although most of it was common  
sense that was covered in 3 days checking and follow-up courses AND  
was just common sense.


The quantum mechanical stuff, again, was obvious and didn't do much  
for me because it was just analogies and they never seemed to go  
past that.


MIU was a nice experience in that all the students were really  
lively intellectually and the fact that they all meditated -- as  
well as faculty and staff -- I genuinely feel created an atmosphere  
of learning that was pretty great. Compared to other schools I went  
to and the learning atmospheres compared, MIUM was, hands down,  
superior to other places I attended.


Well it probably had a lot to do with the caliber of people it  
attracted, and what they were capable of excepting a part of their  
reality.




But I did NOT like the block system, which I believe is a total  
failure and should be dropped at once by MUM, and I don't think the  
SCI application to everything is very useful, either. That should  
all happen automaticly. That is, definitely take the primary SCI  
course (although its twice as long and twice as boring as it has to  
be) and that along with regular TM practise should be enough for the  
student to apply to ANY subject he is studying, whether at MIU or  
any other school.


I'm surprised at this. I assume you mean the "one course at a time"  
thing. Personally I found the trimester superior to the semester, so I  
always thought that the "one course at a time thing" would be superior  
to either of the above. I HATE having had to take more than one thing  
at a time: give it all to me, as quickly as you can, as soon as you  
can. Anything less than that is inferior. To me it seemed like MIU was  
providing the best learning method out there, esp. given my image of  
TM as increasing attention span (at the time, late 70's).


And, yes, I did feel stifled and held back from questioning my  
teachers in the way I would have done at another school. But this  
was more a function of the fact that I was a "TM teacher" and, as  
such, felt obligated to uphold a certain behaviour. In hindsight, it  
was wrong of me to do that. I should have questioned any and all  
things.


Of course you also recognized the fact that you would have been kicked  
out if you had...and you needed to get a degree. Your paren

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[It's just a ride]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
>
> When I took instruction in Mindfullness meditation in '07
> I arbitrarily decided to discontinue my TM. The seeds of
> the old brainwashing still have some life I guess. A few
> months ago, about a year after Mindfullness instruction,
> I began TM again. Practicing them both is neither a strain
> nor a conflict and I realize now that a hiatus of one to learn
> the other was completely unnecessary. I can't quite put my
> finger on it, but there is something very complimentary about
> TM and mindfullness/vipassana practice. As I continue my
> practice I expect that my feelings about that will clarify itself.
> I am glad I have both.
>

IMO Mindfullness meditation is a bit like the first Chopra technique,
the one where the mantra comes out of the heart and then during lie
down you feel the bliss in the body.  After having meditated and
performed TMSP for a long time, the habit of taking it as it comes and
going back to the mantra/self is firmly ingrained.  From there you
just have to decide if you're going to think the mantra/be aware of
the self (TM/TMSP) or be mindful and pull yourself back when you get
pulled away from being mindful.   Being an "expert" in TM/TMSP
technique, mindfulness comes so easily and naturally.

Mindfullness does complement TM/TMSP.  You're always trying to get
away from yourself and drop into the Self with TM/TMSP.  TM/TMSP is
all about constriction.  It's refreshing to just be, just let
sensations, thoughts and emotions be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: People Who Meditate Have Bigger Brains

[shempmcgurk]

My brain, ego, and penis are bigger because I meditate.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> BUILD A BIGGER BRAIN WITH MEDITATION
> By DK Howe
> Examiner
> July 30, 2009
> 
> http://www.examiner.com/x-8760-Las-Vegas-Yoga-Examiner~y2009m7d30-Build-a-bi
> gger-brain-with-meditation
> 
> People who meditate have bigger brains than those who don¹t, say researchers
> at UCLA.
> 
> Using high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to scan the brains of
> meditators and non-meditators, they found that those who meditated showed
> significantly larger volumes of the hippocampus and areas within the
> orbito-frontal cortex, the thalamus and the inferior temporal gyrus -- all
> regions known for regulating emotions.
> 
> ³We know that people who consistently meditate have a singular ability to
> cultivate positive emotions, retain emotional stability and engage in
> mindful behavior,² said Eileen Luders, lead author and a postdoctoral
> research fellow at the UCLA Laboratory of Neuro Imaging. ³The observed
> differences in brain anatomy might give us a clue why meditators have these
> exceptional abilities.²
> 
> Study participants included 22 control subjects and 22 people who had
> practiced meditation from five to 46 years. Most meditated between 10 and
> 90 minutes every day.
> 
> Because the areas that increased in volume are closely linked to emotion,
> Luders said, ³these might be the neuronal underpinnings that give meditators
> the outstanding ability to regulate their emotions and allow for
> well-adjusted responses to whatever life throws their way.
> 
> It should be pointed out, however, that since the study did not track those
> who meditated from their pre-meditation days, that it¹s possible they
> already had more gray matter and volume in specific areas and that may have
> been what attracted them to meditation in the first place. There have been
> studies though that have shown that environmental enrichment has been show
> to change brain structure.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > > > Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
> > >
> > > The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were
> > > inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM  
> > cultus. I
> > > was not being specific. Was there some that you felt specifically  
> > like
> > > talking about? Which ones have you been able to stand back from
> > > objectively?
> > >
> >
> > Vaj, you're the one who made the observation/accusation. Therefore,  
> > the onus is on YOU to come up with examples of what you are  
> > referring to.
> >
> > If you can't, then put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> Well you've ALREADY told us (numerous times) that some of the adjuncts  
> to TM that M. insisted we all use to "enliven" our experience of "Pure  
> Consciousness", many (all?) of these you felt were unessential  
> additions (Ayurvedic remedies, herbal "purification" regimes, "Vedic"  
> architecture, jyotish, yagyas, etc., etc.). What had "staying power"  
> in your SCI/Unified field-based college education and what did not?



Did you read my entire post?

I answered that already.  See the three points I gave as to why I think TM is 
great and why I started.





> Do  
> other old TB grads still talk to you after you have expressed you "TM  
> purist" ideas or do you avoid rejecting aspects of M's teaching in  
> front of them for fear they might (as Rick recently described) sever  
> all contact with you?



Again, I answered that.  Read the post.




> 
> I'm curious how an old time MIU'er integrates that part of old-time,  
> "hay day" TM Org thinking and indoctrination with their current life.


I meditate twice a day and then go into activity...and do what I want to do, 
eat what I want, and take political positions that I want...NOT what the TMO 
dictates.

Can't say that's true for the TBers.




> 
> I've always found your TM/mantra-yoga purism nicely refreshing and  
> positive. What were you able to take with you from you SCI/Quantum  
> mechanical/Vedic science indoctrinations that were at the same level  
> as your appreciation for pure TM practice...and what was not useful?
> 
> Perhaps this is too personal a question.
>


The SCI stuff was reasonably useful, although most of it was common sense that 
was covered in 3 days checking and follow-up courses AND was just common sense.

The quantum mechanical stuff, again, was obvious and didn't do much for me 
because it was just analogies and they never seemed to go past that.

MIU was a nice experience in that all the students were really lively 
intellectually and the fact that they all meditated -- as well as faculty and 
staff -- I genuinely feel created an atmosphere of learning that was pretty 
great.  Compared to other schools I went to and the learning atmospheres 
compared, MIUM was, hands down, superior to other places I attended.  

But I did NOT like the block system, which I believe is a total failure and 
should be dropped at once by MUM, and I don't think the SCI application to 
everything is very useful, either.  That should all happen automaticly.  That 
is, definitely take the primary SCI course (although its twice as long and 
twice as boring as it has to be) and that along with regular TM practise should 
be enough for the student to apply to ANY subject he is studying, whether at 
MIU or any other school.

And, yes, I did feel stifled and held back from questioning my teachers in the 
way I would have done at another school.  But this was more a function of the 
fact that I was a "TM teacher" and, as such, felt obligated to uphold a certain 
behaviour.  In hindsight, it was wrong of me to do that.  I should have 
questioned any and all things.

In that vein, one of the most liberating things that has happened to me in the 
past decade was when MMY started that whole recertification thing.  Well!  It 
was like a load off my shoulders in a sense.  You don't want ME?  fine with me, 
now I'll wear jeans whenever I want and, indeed, go to TM functions WITHOUT a 
tie!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[It's just a ride]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vaj wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has
> commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. 
> Another time he asked her what was her opinion of
> MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never
> repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore,
> since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her
> opinion is not a very high one.
>

It would be bad for business if Rick went around telling people that
Amma admits she's much ado about nothing and Maharishi is the real
thing.

[FairfieldLife] People Who Meditate Have Bigger Brains

[Rick Archer]

BUILD A BIGGER BRAIN WITH MEDITATION
By DK Howe
Examiner
July 30, 2009

http://www.examiner.com/x-8760-Las-Vegas-Yoga-Examiner~y2009m7d30-Build-a-bi
gger-brain-with-meditation

People who meditate have bigger brains than those who don¹t, say researchers
at UCLA.

Using high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to scan the brains of
meditators and non-meditators, they found that those who meditated showed
significantly larger volumes of the hippocampus and areas within the
orbito-frontal cortex, the thalamus and the inferior temporal gyrus -- all
regions known for regulating emotions.

³We know that people who consistently meditate have a singular ability to
cultivate positive emotions, retain emotional stability and engage in
mindful behavior,² said Eileen Luders, lead author and a postdoctoral
research fellow at the UCLA Laboratory of Neuro Imaging. ³The observed
differences in brain anatomy might give us a clue why meditators have these
exceptional abilities.²

Study participants included 22 control subjects and 22 people who had
practiced meditation from five to 46 years. Most meditated between 10 and
90 minutes every day.

Because the areas that increased in volume are closely linked to emotion,
Luders said, ³these might be the neuronal underpinnings that give meditators
the outstanding ability to regulate their emotions and allow for
well-adjusted responses to whatever life throws their way.

It should be pointed out, however, that since the study did not track those
who meditated from their pre-meditation days, that it¹s possible they
already had more gray matter and volume in specific areas and that may have
been what attracted them to meditation in the first place. There have been
studies though that have shown that environmental enrichment has been show
to change brain structure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


> > Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
>
> The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were
> inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM  
cultus. I
> was not being specific. Was there some that you felt specifically  
like

> talking about? Which ones have you been able to stand back from
> objectively?
>

Vaj, you're the one who made the observation/accusation. Therefore,  
the onus is on YOU to come up with examples of what you are  
referring to.


If you can't, then put up or shut up.



Well you've ALREADY told us (numerous times) that some of the adjuncts  
to TM that M. insisted we all use to "enliven" our experience of "Pure  
Consciousness", many (all?) of these you felt were unessential  
additions (Ayurvedic remedies, herbal "purification" regimes, "Vedic"  
architecture, jyotish, yagyas, etc., etc.). What had "staying power"  
in your SCI/Unified field-based college education and what did not? Do  
other old TB grads still talk to you after you have expressed you "TM  
purist" ideas or do you avoid rejecting aspects of M's teaching in  
front of them for fear they might (as Rick recently described) sever  
all contact with you?


I'm curious how an old time MIU'er integrates that part of old-time,  
"hay day" TM Org thinking and indoctrination with their current life.


I've always found your TM/mantra-yoga purism nicely refreshing and  
positive. What were you able to take with you from you SCI/Quantum  
mechanical/Vedic science indoctrinations that were at the same level  
as your appreciation for pure TM practice...and what was not useful?


Perhaps this is too personal a question.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Idea That We Only Use 10% Of Our Brains Is A Myth

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> DO PEOPLE ONLY USE 10 PERCENT OF THEIR BRAINS?
> By Robynne Boyd 
> Scientific American
> February 7, 2008
> 

> it composes concertos, issues manifestos and comes up with elegant solutions
> to equations. It's the wellspring of all human feelings, behaviors,
> experiences as well as the repository of memory and self-awareness. So it's
> no surprise that the brain remains a mystery unto itself.
> 
snip,
> 
> What's not understood is how clusters of neurons from the diverse regions of
> the brain collaborate to form consciousness. So far, there's no evidence
> that there is one site for consciousness, which leads experts to believe
> that it is truly a collective neural effort. Another mystery hidden within
> our crinkled cortices is that out of all the brain's cells, only 10 percent
> are neurons; the other 90 percent are glial cells, which encapsulate and
> support neurons, but whose function remains largely unknown. Ultimately,
> it's not that we use 10 percent of our brains, merely that we only
> understand about 10 percent of how it functions.
> snip,
> 
  I would believe that conciousness exists with or without the brain and so is 
not a function of it.
   A lot of the discussion here would seem to support that theory.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:05 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
> > > >
> > > > As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY  
> > took
> > > > was what was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT
> > > > CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
> > > >
> > > > And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned  
> > MMY
> > > > (I'm sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with
> > > > the Sidhis and the flying in the way he did would destroy the
> > > > movement. I think that's either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy  
> > Cooke
> > > > de Herrera's book, ironically titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what
> > > > TM was SUPPOSED to be about.
> > > >
> > > > Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to
> > > > initiating millions. That ALL came to a grinding halt with the
> > > > sidhis and the flying. One wonders where we'd be today if things  
> > had
> > > > been done differently...or, rather, by the same formula that got
> > > > them the original success.
> > > >
> > > > My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM
> > > > "path", that there is virtually no support for people like me in  
> > the
> > > > TMO. And I suppose that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do  
> > it
> > > > yourself" program.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you checked the aluminum foil on that southern door lately? It
> > > sounds like it may be a bit loose, and causing your MIU brainwashing
> > > to get a tad dirty!
> > >
> >
> > Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
> 
> The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were  
> inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM cultus. I  
> was not being specific. Was there some that you felt specifically like  
> talking about? Which ones have you been able to stand back from  
> objectively?
>


Vaj, you're the one who made the observation/accusation.  Therefore, the onus 
is on YOU to come up with examples of what you are referring to.

If you can't, then put up or shut up.

[FairfieldLife] Tolle & Carrey Headline "The Global Alliance For Transformational Entertainment"

[Rick Archer]

JIM CARREY AND FRIENDS OPT FOR CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING OVER LAKERS
By James Rainey
Los Angeles Times
June 5, 2009

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/06/jim-carrey-and
-friends-hollywood-lose-your-mind.html

Some might say that spirituality and Hollywood go together like sensitivity
and pro wrestling.

But that¹s just the kind of habitual/stereotypical thinking that more than
500 entertainment industry types vowed to vanquish at a conference Thursday
night as they came together for the first meeting of the Global Alliance for
Transformational Entertainment (GATE).

Spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle and movie star/seeker Jim Carrey headlined
the more-than-three-hour session at an auditorium on the Fox lot in Century
City. Along with singer Melissa Etheridge and several other speakers, they
urged their colleagues in film, television, music and other media to
transcend the tawdry and mundane with higher-minded fair.

It must have been important to those packed into the meeting. They missed
the Lakers' opening championship-round game to be there.

Producer John Raatz, who formed the organization, said the time is ripe in
the entertainment industry for an ³up-leveling of consciousness² that, in
turn, would lead to more work delving into the spiritual and divine.

Many attending the session and pledging to join in future work follow the
teachings of Tolle, the best-selling author of ³The Power of Now² and other
books. The German-born Tolle echoes the Buddhist view that most of humanity
is captive to the mind and obsessive thinking, patterns that can be broken
through meditation and other techniques.

Participants said they hoped their own spiritual practices would free them
from the mundane and prurient and lead them to projects with high
aspirations, like combating hunger. HBO executive Scott Carlin told the
gathering -- which included Garry Shandling, Billy Zane and Jackson Browne
-- that audiences were yearning ³for the sense of being nourished deeply.²

When he took the stage near the end of the evening, Carrey both embraced and
satirized his nascent guru role. In a short film clip introducing his
appearance, he cast a beatific gaze on the audience, delivering the message:
³I¹m Jim Carrey and I¹ve come to free the world from sin.²

The actor said he had become locked in his own thoughts in part because of a
childhood spent trying to entertain his terribly ill mother. Later in life
he had the epiphany that most suffering came from fixating on one's own
thoughts, while ³heaven² could be found all around, by living in the present
moment.

After making that breakthrough, Carrey said, ³I want to take as many people
with me as I can.²

Tolle¹s remarks closed the evening. While he encouraged GATE to do more, the
teacher said he had already found transcendent moments ‹ ones that could
help people ³get out of the box of their minds² ‹ in a fair number of films.

He cited ³Groundhog Day,² ³Titanic,² ³The Horse Whisperer² and ³American
Beauty² as movies that incorporated important spiritual themes such as
impermanence, stillness and the beauty of everyday things.

Yes, Tolle said, film can raise consciousness, if only for a moment.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:05 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> > Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
> >
> > As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY  
took

> > was what was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT
> > CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
> >
> > And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned  
MMY

> > (I'm sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with
> > the Sidhis and the flying in the way he did would destroy the
> > movement. I think that's either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy  
Cooke

> > de Herrera's book, ironically titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what
> > TM was SUPPOSED to be about.
> >
> > Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to
> > initiating millions. That ALL came to a grinding halt with the
> > sidhis and the flying. One wonders where we'd be today if things  
had

> > been done differently...or, rather, by the same formula that got
> > them the original success.
> >
> > My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM
> > "path", that there is virtually no support for people like me in  
the
> > TMO. And I suppose that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do  
it

> > yourself" program.
>
>
> Have you checked the aluminum foil on that southern door lately? It
> sounds like it may be a bit loose, and causing your MIU brainwashing
> to get a tad dirty!
>

Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?


The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were  
inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM cultus. I  
was not being specific. Was there some that you felt specifically like  
talking about? Which ones have you been able to stand back from  
objectively?

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[FairfieldLife] Free Online Book: 'Stripping The Gurus'

[Rick Archer]

There's a chapter on MMY


STRIPPING THE GURUS
By Geoffrey D. Falk

Read the entire book online:

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/

Ramakrishna was a homoerotic pedophile.

His chief disciple, Vivekananda, visited brothels in India.

Krishnamurti carried on an affair for over twenty years with the wife of a
good friend. Chögyam Trungpa drank himself into an early grave. One of Adi
Da's nine "wives" was a former Playboy centerfold. Bhagwan Rajneesh sniffed
laughing gas to get high. Andrew Cohen, guru and publisher of What Is
Enlightenment? magazine, by his own reported admission sometimes feels "like
a god."

These are typical of the "wizened sages" to whom otherwise-sensible people
give their devotion and unquestioning obedience, surrendering their
independence, willpower, and life's savings in the hope of realizing for
themselves the same "enlightenment" as they ascribe to the "perfect,
God-realized" master.

Why?

Is it for being emotionally vulnerable and "brainwashed," as the
"anti-cultists" assert? Or for being "willingly psychologically seduced," as
the apologists unsympathetically counter, confident that they themselves are
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
> >
> > As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took  
> > was what was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT  
> > CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
> >
> > And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY  
> > (I'm sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with  
> > the Sidhis and the flying in the way he did would destroy the  
> > movement. I think that's either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy Cooke  
> > de Herrera's book, ironically titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what  
> > TM was SUPPOSED to be about.
> >
> > Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to  
> > initiating millions. That ALL came to a grinding halt with the  
> > sidhis and the flying. One wonders where we'd be today if things had  
> > been done differently...or, rather, by the same formula that got  
> > them the original success.
> >
> > My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM  
> > "path", that there is virtually no support for people like me in the  
> > TMO. And I suppose that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do it  
> > yourself" program.
> 
> 
> Have you checked the aluminum foil on that southern door lately? It  
> sounds like it may be a bit loose, and causing your MIU brainwashing  
> to get a tad dirty!
>


Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> 
> > Anyway, if you want to see a really well-crafted bit of comedy, see the 
> > clip.
> >
> 
> It's a classic.
> 
> Have you seen the others in the series?

Yes, they're great!


> 
> Satan is everywhere
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3xKS4EPzCA&NR=1
> 
> Is it just muslims that blow up planes?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vybA54BF4&feature=related
> 
> No holds barred comedy.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on the incredible clips from the "Outnumbered" TV series

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"  wrote:
>
> Are the clips a true representation of what 'Outnumbered' is like? Hugh 
> Dennis appears on comedy quiz programs quite a lot, and is part of a 
> generation of very funny gifted comedians here, there seems to be a glut of 
> them, we are very lucky. I came across 'Outnumbered' by chance and found it 
> to be totally gripping, but I can't define why. It isn't as cerebral as Monty 
> Python, Not the Nine O'clock News or any of the other greats, but it has its 
> own power to put our lives on parade. From what I understand, the cast is 
> left to improvise quite a lot, so perhaps that is why the material feels so 
> fresh?



Well, the kids are incredibly and if, indeed, the kids are ad-libbing, they are 
masters at it.  The little boy and little girl are perfect.  And it's their 
sincerity that does it; they aren't trying to be cutesy-wootsy or funny.



> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > I'll tell you what I love about the 3 clips I've seen so far.
> > 
> > Firstly, there's no laugh track which more often than not absolutely kills 
> > any comedy for me (and a laugh track is to be differentiated from the 
> > laughing from a live studio audience DURING the taping of a show).
> > 
> > Secondly, this is NOT slap-your-knee funny; it is situational funny, for 
> > lack of a better term. I much prefer this kind of comedy.  The best example 
> > of it that I know is the movie "Flirting with distaster" with Ben Stiller 
> > and Patricia Arquette.
> > 
> > Thirdly, the kids who are the actors -- as well as the adults -- are not 
> > TRYING to play funny; they are reading and acting their lines quite 
> > sincerely and it is the situation itself and the script which is just 
> > incredibly hilarious.  There is an axiom in Hollywood that if you're an 
> > actor doing a comedy, you don't try and play funny; you do the lines and 
> > your role as seriously and sincerely as possible, the "funny" will 
> > automatically come.  And that's why I think this works.  In the "Awkward 
> > questions about Jesus" clip, everyone in it is doing that perfectly from 
> > the Vicar (who's wonderful) to all of the kids.
> > 
> > This is a gem of a series and I can't wait until it is available on DVD in 
> > the States!  Of course, the series could be shit and we are just seeing the 
> > absolute best of it...but somehow I doubt it.  Perhaps Paul Mason who is 
> > ensconced in Jolly Old England sees the series?  Could he please tell us 
> > whether the series is as good as the clips?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > No holds barred comedy.
> > > >
> > > OMG, OMG, OMG!! I can barely breath this is so funny
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3CCSEl-fM&NR=1
> > > 
> > > ".. if it goes to hell it can have cheese on toast" 
> > > 
> > > Followed by this one
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdXr--4QA&feature=related
> > > 
> > > "In sickness or in health. May the force be with you..because 
> > > you're worth it"
> > > 
> > > I think I'd die of laughter if I watched a whole show.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Hard Times Are Jamming The Ashrams

[Rick Archer]

HARD TIMES ARE JAMMING THE ASHRAMS
By Sara Eckel
The New York Times
July 16, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/16/fashion/16yoga.html

Shortly after Steven Odnoha lost his job at Intel, he drove three days from
Rio Rancho, N.M., to the Himalayan Institute in Honesdale, Pa. For months,
Mr. Odnoha had been wondering how he could get the time off to join a
yearlong meditation program at the nonprofit yoga retreat. His pink slip, in
September 2007, provided the answer.

³I figured if I stayed for a year, the economy would be warming up by then,
and I could head back and see what¹s available for a semiconductor
manufacturing technician,² said Mr. Odnoha, 40, as he picked wild thyme from
a small garden outside the institute¹s kitchen.

Obviously, the economy didn¹t cooperate, but Mr. Odnoha doesn¹t mind. Now he
spends his days on the Himalayan Institute¹s 400-acre wooded campus,
practicing hatha yoga and meditation, studying spiritual texts, biking,
walking and preparing meals in the institute¹s kitchen. In exchange for his
cooking duties and an annual fee of $3,000, he gets a private room, three
vegetarian meals a day and unlimited access to the institute¹s classes,
seminars and other events.

The Himalayan Institute is one of many retreats where cash-strapped
spiritual seekers can participate in work-study programs in which they pay
typically $300 to $900 a month in exchange for a few hours a day of service,
like washing dishes, cleaning rooms or weeding gardens.

As the unemployment rate has risen and people have sought refuge from the
harsh economy, these work-exchanges have become a hot commodity. The
Himalayan Institute received twice as many applications for its summer
work-study programs this year as last -- its August session is full, with 22
people, compared with 11 last year -- and so did two similar retreats,
Tassajara Zen Mountain Center in Carmel Valley, Calif., and Satchidananda
Ashram in Buckingham, Va. (which is better known as Yogaville).

The people who run these programs say there seems to be a link between the
troubled job market and the rising popularity of yoga retreats. Todd
Wolfenberg, director of marketing at the Himalayan Institute, said he has
seen an increase in applications from recent college graduates and people
with professional careers. ³I suspect that is due to the fact that they
haven¹t been able to find a job after college or are leaving a job,² he
said. The center has traditionally attracted people whose lives permit
extended time off, like writers and entrepreneurs.

Yoga retreat programs can be as short as an overnight visit to Ananda Ashram
in Monroe, N.Y., or can last for months or even years.

The long-term residencies usually begin with a monthlong foundational
program in which participants commit to a full schedule of classes and
meditation. At the Himalayan Institute¹s 28-day self-transformation program,
the day begins with a 6 a.m. meditation and continues with a full roster of
hatha yoga classes, breathing and relaxation practicums and about four hours
of light chores, like making beds and chopping vegetables. The program costs
$825, and participants receive a private room and three vegetarian meals a
day.

³It¹s designed for individuals who are between jobs, on leave or sabbatical,
or just burned out and have the ability to take time out,² Mr. Wolfenberg
said.

On a recent Monday afternoon, 11 participants sat in the institute¹s
cafeteria chopping cucumbers, red peppers and Swiss chard for the next day¹s
lunch. Among those sitting side-by-side with bandanas worn headband- or
kerchief-style, were a recent college graduate, a chef, the owner of a
telecommunications company and the founder of a nongovernmental
organization. While some were return visitors, several had never even taken
a yoga class before.

³This is not my normal scene,² said Jeffrey Webb, 52, from Augusta, Ga., as
he julienned a cucumber. Mr. Webb, who owns a wheel repair business, said he
wanted to learn how to slow down. ³I¹m going all the time,² he said. ³So
this is an experiment in the alternative-lifestyle adventure.²

Across the table, Laurie Smith, a bartender and waitress from Naples, Fla.,
explained that she didn¹t want to spend her vacation sitting in a beach
chair. ³I thought I might as well do something that isn¹t just lying around
and spending money,² said Ms. Smith, 36, who was taking a 10-day course.

³I might as well get something out of it.² Like her cohorts, Ms. Smith said
she didn¹t mind spending a substantial portion of her vacation chopping
vegetables, washing dishes and making beds, pointing out that in a place
dedicated to quiet contemplation, these simple tasks provide an easy outlet
for conversation. ³You¹re not interrupting someone¹s quiet time,² she said.
³You don¹t always want to be alone, so you can do the work and hang out at
the same time.²

Yehnemsah Oneha, work-study coordinator at Ananda Ashram, says that while
cost-cutting and ice-breaking are nice benefits, the 

[FairfieldLife] The Idea That We Only Use 10% Of Our Brains Is A Myth

[Rick Archer]

DO PEOPLE ONLY USE 10 PERCENT OF THEIR BRAINS?
By Robynne Boyd 
Scientific American
February 7, 2008

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=people-only-use-10-percent-
of-brain

The human brain is complex. Along with performing millions of mundane acts,
it composes concertos, issues manifestos and comes up with elegant solutions
to equations. It's the wellspring of all human feelings, behaviors,
experiences as well as the repository of memory and self-awareness. So it's
no surprise that the brain remains a mystery unto itself.

Adding to that mystery is the contention that humans "only" employ 10
percent of their brain. If only regular folk could tap that other 90
percent, they too could become savants who remember ¼ to the
twenty-thousandth decimal place or perhaps even have telekinetic powers.

Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost
laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
in Baltimore. Although there's no definitive culprit to pin the blame on for
starting this legend, the notion has been linked to the American
psychologist and author William James, who argued in The Energies of Men
that "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and
physical resources." It's also been associated with to Albert Einstein, who
supposedly used it to explain his cosmic towering intellect.

The myth's durability, Gordon says, stems from people's conceptions about
their own brains: they see their own shortcomings as evidence of the
existence of untapped gray matter. This is a false assumption. What is
correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when
we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our
brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and
that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's
put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and
uses 20 percent of the body's energy."

The average human brain weighs about three pounds and comprises the hefty
cerebrum, which is the largest portion and performs all higher cognitive
functions; the cerebellum, responsible for motor functions, such as the
coordination of movement and balance; and the brain stem, dedicated to
involuntary functions like breathing. The majority of the energy consumed by
the brain powers the rapid firing of millions of neurons communicating with
each other. Scientists think it is such neuronal firing and connecting that
gives rise to all of the brain's higher functions. The rest of its energy is
used for controlling other activities -- both unconscious activities, such
as heart rate, and conscious ones, such as driving a car.

Although it's true that at any given moment all of the brain's regions are
not concurrently firing, brain researchers using imaging technology have
shown that, like the body's muscles, most are continually active over a
24-hour period. "Evidence would show over a day you use 100 percent of the
brain," says John Henley, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester,
Minn. Even in sleep, areas such as the frontal cortex, which controls things
like higher level thinking and self-awareness, or the somatosensory areas,
which help people sense their surroundings, are active, Henley explains.

Take the simple act of pouring coffee in the morning: In walking toward the
coffeepot, reaching for it, pouring the brew into the mug, even leaving
extra room for cream, the occipital and parietal lobes, motor sensory and
sensory motor cortices, basal ganglia, cerebellum and frontal lobes all
activate. A lightning storm of neuronal activity occurs almost across the
entire brain in the time span of a few seconds.

"This isn't to say that if the brain were damaged that you wouldn't be able
to perform daily duties," Henley continues. "There are people who have
injured their brains or had parts of it removed who still live fairly normal
lives, but that is because the brain has a way of compensating and making
sure that what's left takes over the activity."

Being able to map the brain's various regions and functions is part and
parcel of understanding the possible side effects should a given region
begin to fail. Experts know that neurons that perform similar functions tend
to cluster together. For example, neurons that control the thumb's movement
are arranged next to those that control the forefinger. Thus, when
undertaking brain surgery, neurosurgeons carefully avoid neural clusters
related to vision, hearing and movement, enabling the brain to retain as
many of its functions as possible.

What's not understood is how clusters of neurons from the diverse regions of
the brain collaborate to form consciousness. So far, there's no evidence
that there is one site for consciousness, which leads experts to believe
that it is truly a collective neural effort. Another mystery hidden within
our crinkled cortices is that out

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Slavery (was Re: Space/Time Foam)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > Why I brought it up is that I have been noticing
> > > lately the number of people like John (jr_esq)
> > > who have been brainwashed to believe certain 
> > > things for so long that they no longer seem to
> > > know they *are* brainwashed.
> > 
> > Note that according to Barry's Rules, the definition
> > of "brainwashed" is: "Anybody who believes something
> > other than what Barry believes." This applies, of
> > course, especially to TMers. In Barry's World, it's
> > not possible for anybody who thinks for themselves
> > to hold beliefs he doesn't share. Barry thinking is
> > *the* standard for thinking for oneself.
> 
> Judy,
> 
> Excellent point.  That's the reason why I don't like
> to respond to any of his anti-TM comments.  It appears
> that we are talking to a brick wall when you discuss
> reason with the guy.

More like talking to a bowl of melting Jell-O. He'll
say whatever he thinks he has to to win a point or
bash one of his "enemies"; doesn't matter if it
contradicts what he's said the day before, or the
post before, or even the paragraph before; doesn't
matter if it makes no sense. Doesn't matter if it's
contrary to fact, either.

> That's the reason why he carries a lot of inertia to
> clear thinking, which is against the wisdom of this forum.

He's always been an incredibly sloppy thinker, but
his writing is so glib and he's so assertive, people
frequently don't realize how screwy the content is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM 
> > movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the 
> > possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on 
> > the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was 
> > expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - 
> > that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that 
> > much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural 
> > conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. 
> > If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color 
> > drain from his face. His voice sounded "ashen" and he quickly terminated 
> > the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then.
> >
> 
> I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the
> truth of the gods.  It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on
> residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of
> all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which
> is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of
> consciousness.
> 
> How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only
> the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage
> point?  Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his
> belief or was it his BN followers?
> 
> Art imitates life.  I remember the reporter from the Village Voice
> telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God.  That
> millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the
> country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment.   My
> meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene.
> While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers
> were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they
> believed were God.
> 
> Is that the way it is?  Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't
> have all of these BN initiators?

Charlie Lutes was the anecdote!  :-) He wasn't too popular either. Charlie was 
always, 'just Charlie' and spoke mostly from his experience. He was a straight 
shooter, whereas MMY, well, I think he sugar coated the truth a lot. I guess he 
thought it would be much more palatable to us ignorant Westerners...

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on the incredible clips from the "Outnumbered" TV series

[Paul Mason]

Are the clips a true representation of what 'Outnumbered' is like? Hugh Dennis 
appears on comedy quiz programs quite a lot, and is part of a generation of 
very funny gifted comedians here, there seems to be a glut of them, we are very 
lucky. I came across 'Outnumbered' by chance and found it to be totally 
gripping, but I can't define why. It isn't as cerebral as Monty Python, Not the 
Nine O'clock News or any of the other greats, but it has its own power to put 
our lives on parade. From what I understand, the cast is left to improvise 
quite a lot, so perhaps that is why the material feels so fresh?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> I'll tell you what I love about the 3 clips I've seen so far.
> 
> Firstly, there's no laugh track which more often than not absolutely kills 
> any comedy for me (and a laugh track is to be differentiated from the 
> laughing from a live studio audience DURING the taping of a show).
> 
> Secondly, this is NOT slap-your-knee funny; it is situational funny, for lack 
> of a better term. I much prefer this kind of comedy.  The best example of it 
> that I know is the movie "Flirting with distaster" with Ben Stiller and 
> Patricia Arquette.
> 
> Thirdly, the kids who are the actors -- as well as the adults -- are not 
> TRYING to play funny; they are reading and acting their lines quite sincerely 
> and it is the situation itself and the script which is just incredibly 
> hilarious.  There is an axiom in Hollywood that if you're an actor doing a 
> comedy, you don't try and play funny; you do the lines and your role as 
> seriously and sincerely as possible, the "funny" will automatically come.  
> And that's why I think this works.  In the "Awkward questions about Jesus" 
> clip, everyone in it is doing that perfectly from the Vicar (who's wonderful) 
> to all of the kids.
> 
> This is a gem of a series and I can't wait until it is available on DVD in 
> the States!  Of course, the series could be shit and we are just seeing the 
> absolute best of it...but somehow I doubt it.  Perhaps Paul Mason who is 
> ensconced in Jolly Old England sees the series?  Could he please tell us 
> whether the series is as good as the clips?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > No holds barred comedy.
> > >
> > OMG, OMG, OMG!! I can barely breath this is so funny
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3CCSEl-fM&NR=1
> > 
> > ".. if it goes to hell it can have cheese on toast" 
> > 
> > Followed by this one
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdXr--4QA&feature=related
> > 
> > "In sickness or in health. May the force be with you..because 
> > you're worth it"
> > 
> > I think I'd die of laughter if I watched a whole show.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting  
this Rick !


I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ?  
Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level  
at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ?



I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick  
has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more  
specific. The first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals  
(money mishandling, sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were  
jivan-muktis, that is, enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked  
her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but  
he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else.  
It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated  
and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >   I was thinking of the federal level- where many 
> > > > > advocate a total ban.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think so. I doubt anyone in Congress advocates
> > > > a total ban on guns. Many are in favor of various types
> > > > of gun control, but not a total ban by any stretch.
> > > > 
> > > > And there are at least as many in Congress who vigorously
> > > > oppose most if not all gun-control measures.
> > > 
> > >  We have a Mr. Koh involved who is a globalist that thinks
> > > we should be run by the UN.
> > 
> > Well, not exactly.
> > 
> > >   The UN has some bizzare ideas on soverin nations.
> > >The international CIFTA treaty which has some support
> > > here is a total disaster in the making.
> > 
> > It'll never pass the Senate.
> > 
> > And you still haven't come close to backing up your
> > original claims.
> >
> OK, I'll try to weasel out of it by saying that I should
> have said that was my impression from what I had read
> rather than an absolute fact.

OK, happens to the best of us! Hopefully you won't be
quite so trusting of the sources that gave you that
impression in the future...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Vaj]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.

As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took  
was what was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT  
CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.


And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY  
(I'm sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with  
the Sidhis and the flying in the way he did would destroy the  
movement. I think that's either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy Cooke  
de Herrera's book, ironically titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what  
TM was SUPPOSED to be about.


Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to  
initiating millions. That ALL came to a grinding halt with the  
sidhis and the flying. One wonders where we'd be today if things had  
been done differently...or, rather, by the same formula that got  
them the original success.


My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM  
"path", that there is virtually no support for people like me in the  
TMO. And I suppose that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do it  
yourself" program.



Have you checked the aluminum foil on that southern door lately? It  
sounds like it may be a bit loose, and causing your MIU brainwashing  
to get a tad dirty!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > 
> > > >   I was thinking of the federal level- where many 
> > > > advocate a total ban.
> > > 
> > > I don't think so. I doubt anyone in Congress advocates
> > > a total ban on guns. Many are in favor of various types
> > > of gun control, but not a total ban by any stretch.
> > > 
> > > And there are at least as many in Congress who vigorously
> > > oppose most if not all gun-control measures.
> > 
> >  We have a Mr. Koh involved who is a globalist that thinks
> > we should be run by the UN.
> 
> Well, not exactly.
> 
> >   The UN has some bizzare ideas on soverin nations.
> >The international CIFTA treaty which has some support
> > here is a total disaster in the making.
> 
> It'll never pass the Senate.
> 
> And you still haven't come close to backing up your
> original claims.
>
OK, I'll try to weasel out of it by saying that I should have said that was my 
impression from what I had read rather than an absolute fact.
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] More on the incredible clips from the "Outnumbered" TV series

[Bhairitu]

Bhairitu wrote:
> shempmcgurk wrote:
>   
>> I'll tell you what I love about the 3 clips I've seen so far.
>>
>> Firstly, there's no laugh track which more often than not absolutely kills 
>> any comedy for me (and a laugh track is to be differentiated from the 
>> laughing from a live studio audience DURING the taping of a show).
>>
>> Secondly, this is NOT slap-your-knee funny; it is situational funny, for 
>> lack of a better term. I much prefer this kind of comedy.  The best example 
>> of it that I know is the movie "Flirting with distaster" with Ben Stiller 
>> and Patricia Arquette.
>>
>> Thirdly, the kids who are the actors -- as well as the adults -- are not 
>> TRYING to play funny; they are reading and acting their lines quite 
>> sincerely and it is the situation itself and the script which is just 
>> incredibly hilarious.  There is an axiom in Hollywood that if you're an 
>> actor doing a comedy, you don't try and play funny; you do the lines and 
>> your role as seriously and sincerely as possible, the "funny" will 
>> automatically come.  And that's why I think this works.  In the "Awkward 
>> questions about Jesus" clip, everyone in it is doing that perfectly from the 
>> Vicar (who's wonderful) to all of the kids.
>>
>> This is a gem of a series and I can't wait until it is available on DVD in 
>> the States!  Of course, the series could be shit and we are just seeing the 
>> absolute best of it...but somehow I doubt it.  Perhaps Paul Mason who is 
>> ensconced in Jolly Old England sees the series?  Could he please tell us 
>> whether the series is as good as the clips?
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
> So far it has not been on BBC America.  Fox is going to do an America 
> version.  Oh boy, can't wait to see how they butcher it.  Maybe Stu will 
> edit.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outnumbered
Or maybe not.  It was supposed to be part of 2008 line-up:
http://www.fox.com/programming/shows/new/outnumbered.htm

Then there are some articles on the web saying 2009.

Re: [FairfieldLife] More on the incredible clips from the "Outnumbered" TV series

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> I'll tell you what I love about the 3 clips I've seen so far.
>
> Firstly, there's no laugh track which more often than not absolutely kills 
> any comedy for me (and a laugh track is to be differentiated from the 
> laughing from a live studio audience DURING the taping of a show).
>
> Secondly, this is NOT slap-your-knee funny; it is situational funny, for lack 
> of a better term. I much prefer this kind of comedy.  The best example of it 
> that I know is the movie "Flirting with distaster" with Ben Stiller and 
> Patricia Arquette.
>
> Thirdly, the kids who are the actors -- as well as the adults -- are not 
> TRYING to play funny; they are reading and acting their lines quite sincerely 
> and it is the situation itself and the script which is just incredibly 
> hilarious.  There is an axiom in Hollywood that if you're an actor doing a 
> comedy, you don't try and play funny; you do the lines and your role as 
> seriously and sincerely as possible, the "funny" will automatically come.  
> And that's why I think this works.  In the "Awkward questions about Jesus" 
> clip, everyone in it is doing that perfectly from the Vicar (who's wonderful) 
> to all of the kids.
>
> This is a gem of a series and I can't wait until it is available on DVD in 
> the States!  Of course, the series could be shit and we are just seeing the 
> absolute best of it...but somehow I doubt it.  Perhaps Paul Mason who is 
> ensconced in Jolly Old England sees the series?  Could he please tell us 
> whether the series is as good as the clips?
>
>
>   
So far it has not been on BBC America.  Fox is going to do an America 
version.  Oh boy, can't wait to see how they butcher it.  Maybe Stu will 
edit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outnumbered

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:


[snip]

> 
> I tell yas these rambling tales Shemp just to show you
> I am interested in hearing your TMSP experiences and what
> led you to distance yourself from the Movement. Hearing
> it from someone still satisfied with their is always interesting. 
>   
> Think cool thoughts Shemp. It makes summer in Arizona 
> bearable. 

[snip]


What makes me different from Barry, satvadude, I think is the fact that I still 
do TM.  With the exception of a few periods in my life when I wasn't regular, 
I've pretty much done TM twice a day since I started in April 1973.

I went to TTC a year later. And I must tell ya' I pretty much was uncomfortable 
with the Movement from my first contact with them at TTC.  It seemed filled 
with vindictive, unhappy people who, for the most part, did NOT reflect what TM 
is supposed to create in its practitioners.  I'm talking here of the people 
running the thing, not the course participants and yes, of course, there were 
certainly the Nabby types but mostly good, decent people.

And, again, I suspect, unlike Barry, I didn't conclude that TM didn't work 
because of the schmucks I met running the TMO. I put that down to the fact that 
an organisation claiming to be able to solve your problems is probably going to 
attract a disproportionate percentage of nutcases and -- voila! -- here they 
are around MMY.

To date, I haven't been dissuaged from that assessment.

Here's another way I am different from Barry: there are, literally, thousands 
of paths, techniques and ways to get to "the goal".  TM is one of them.  Barry 
believes that unless one tries other methods one cannot claim that TM is the 
best way.

Perhaps he is right.  I certainly haven't tried many others other than TM so I 
certainly can't say anything in that regard.  But with all the methods out 
there I would, literally, have to try at least one a day for the rest of my 
life in order to rationally and fairly say that TM is the best.  And I don't 
think Barry has tried all the methods either (or he wouldn't have the time that 
he devotes to pulling Judy's pigtails everyday here on this forum).  So unless 
ALL methods are tried, no one is in a position to say this one or that one is 
the best.

TM attracted me because of (1) its simplicity and ease and universality which, 
despite what Barry tells you, IS most definitely unique to TM (except for those 
teachers that teach techniques that  they themselves learned from the TMO and 
MMY); (2) whether they're ultimately legit or not, the TMO had the technique 
tested scientifically...AND boldly dare the public at large and the scientific 
community to study it; and (3) no change in lifestyle, religion, or whatever 
was required to do it (at least that was the way TM was taught back in the 
day...now, of course, it's different and that's the subject of what we're 
discussing here, isnt' it?).  Numerous times on this forum I have reproduced 
the 1974 Belgium discourse by MMY (it's about 30 seconds long) in which he 
says: just do TM twice a day and then go about your business; indeed, you can 
do hundreds of different meditations if you want as long as you do TM twice a 
day.  This discourse is so important to me because, in an albeit extreme way, 
it epitomizes what TM is supposed to be all about.

But back to your original question, above.  I find the TMO filled with people 
who really are not on the same path as me...and these are people that I dearly 
love, who I consider great friends, and whom I've known now for decades and 
worked alongside in the TMO and/or went to MIU with.  But they are on an 
entirely different path than me; they are on the TM Guru path whereas I am on 
the TM Program path.  And you know what?  The two paths ARE 180 DEGREES 
DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER AND THEY ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER.

And I have been shunned, ostracized, and isolated for being on the TM Program 
and adhering and sticking to it.  Am I bitter?  Yes, I am.  And I am angry at 
the TMO for taking the path that they have...and for shutting people like me 
out.  God bless them all if they want to do yagyas, ayurveda, architecture, 
start political parties and all that stuff...BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 
TM PROGRAM; IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE TM PROGRAM.  Indeed, as I mentioned 
before, the interference of their path into MY path has destroyed the TMO and 
ruined any chance for the successful dissemination of the TM Program throughout 
the world.

I am especially bitter towards those who were fortunate enough to be around MMY 
and had the chance of telling him that he was going about things the wrong way. 
Gosh, it wasn't rocket science to know things would turn out the way they did.  
But instead of being useful to him by NOT being Yes-Men, they enabled him by 
being vampires and sucking the life-blood out of him and telling him what they 
thought he wanted here. It was their dharma -- yes, their dharma -- 

[FairfieldLife] More on the incredible clips from the "Outnumbered" TV series

[shempmcgurk]

I'll tell you what I love about the 3 clips I've seen so far.

Firstly, there's no laugh track which more often than not absolutely kills any 
comedy for me (and a laugh track is to be differentiated from the laughing from 
a live studio audience DURING the taping of a show).

Secondly, this is NOT slap-your-knee funny; it is situational funny, for lack 
of a better term. I much prefer this kind of comedy.  The best example of it 
that I know is the movie "Flirting with distaster" with Ben Stiller and 
Patricia Arquette.

Thirdly, the kids who are the actors -- as well as the adults -- are not TRYING 
to play funny; they are reading and acting their lines quite sincerely and it 
is the situation itself and the script which is just incredibly hilarious.  
There is an axiom in Hollywood that if you're an actor doing a comedy, you 
don't try and play funny; you do the lines and your role as seriously and 
sincerely as possible, the "funny" will automatically come.  And that's why I 
think this works.  In the "Awkward questions about Jesus" clip, everyone in it 
is doing that perfectly from the Vicar (who's wonderful) to all of the kids.

This is a gem of a series and I can't wait until it is available on DVD in the 
States!  Of course, the series could be shit and we are just seeing the 
absolute best of it...but somehow I doubt it.  Perhaps Paul Mason who is 
ensconced in Jolly Old England sees the series?  Could he please tell us 
whether the series is as good as the clips?





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> 
> > No holds barred comedy.
> >
> OMG, OMG, OMG!! I can barely breath this is so funny
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3CCSEl-fM&NR=1
> 
> ".. if it goes to hell it can have cheese on toast" 
> 
> Followed by this one
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdXr--4QA&feature=related
> 
> "In sickness or in health. May the force be with you..because you're 
> worth it"
> 
> I think I'd die of laughter if I watched a whole show.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Benjamin Creme talks about the 'star' and Maitreya, July 31

[Bhairitu]

nablusoss1008 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JihYJhfAs4
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7M1TncdvMw&feature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlH9zLzot4&feature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZWCv4ompDc&feature=related
>
>
>   
Nabby, seems like that organization has been talking about  "Maitreya 
will soon make himself known to the world" since I first picked up on of 
their newsletters that they were handing out back in the 1970s.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of It's just a ride
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
alkaline body
 
I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the
truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on
residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of
all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which
is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of
consciousness.

How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only
the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage
point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his
belief or was it his BN followers?
Maharishi often spoke of "getting in tune with his thinking." The idea,
sometimes explicit, sometimes implicit, was that he saw things clearly and
that if you differed with him, you weren't seeing things as clearly. In his
commentary on the Gita, Maharishi talks about putting aside one's own petty
ways of thinking and feeling and attuning ones thoughts and feelings to the
enlightened mind of the Master. This has always been an underlying guideline
in the TMO. If you didn't buy into East-facing houses, world's tallest
buildings, Nader getting his weight in gold, etc., you were out of tune with
MMY's thinking. You wouldn't advance far in the organization and your very
evolution was in peril. So consequently, TB's buy into all these ideas, in
some cases try to concoct a rational explanation for them, but failing that,
take them on faith and assume that they will understand them someday when
their perspective has become sufficiently cosmic.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus

[guyfawkes91]

> No holds barred comedy.
>
OMG, OMG, OMG!! I can barely breath this is so funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3CCSEl-fM&NR=1

".. if it goes to hell it can have cheese on toast" 

Followed by this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdXr--4QA&feature=related

"In sickness or in health. May the force be with you..because you're 
worth it"

I think I'd die of laughter if I watched a whole show.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Effect: FF has 13 registered sex offenders

[bob_brigante]

> http://tinyurl.com/kk53gl
> 
> Quite a good number for such a small town in the land of the blessed.
> 

*

http://snipurl.com/oht9p  [www_sun-sentinel_com] comparison of Iowa/FL laws on 
sex offenders

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus

[guyfawkes91]

> Anyway, if you want to see a really well-crafted bit of comedy, see the clip.
>

It's a classic.

Have you seen the others in the series?

Satan is everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3xKS4EPzCA&NR=1

Is it just muslims that blow up planes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vybA54BF4&feature=related

No holds barred comedy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[satvadude108]

I tend to agree with you Shemp and would be interested
in reading the arch of your involvement in the TMO. I 
believe you have mentioned your TTC several times.
Did you then teach full-time? Did you take the Sidhis 
course? One of the early ones? If so, did you practice
them for a long period of time and what led to your
ending that practice? What, if anything, led to your
leaving "The Movement?"   

I'm not interested in hacking on you and don't wish
to come across as a stalker. I just find it interesting
to hear peoples stories about those things.

It seems that Barry was tending toward an exit and
that his decision was perhaps was assisted by his
experiences with an early Sidhis course. I never attended
TTC and it seems the design of the early Sidhi
courses was a typical "movement" throw it at the 
wall and see what sticks.

My own Sidhis CIC course was one of the later '80s
ones in which the instruction had been clearly
codified and streamlined. I had observed, anecdotally,
very uneven results and experiences with earlier
courses among people I knew. I had very clear experiences
and never felt short changed by the instruction. I
discontinued my TMSP, but continued TM, when I was
not enjoying the effect on my day to day life. The 
increasingly "refined perception" was annoying at 
best.

I never felt compelled to share with the TMO my
exposure to other paths I encountered over the years.
So many were readily available in the USA in the 70's
and 80's. Sufi meditation with Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan,
kundalini and White Tantra with Yogi Bhajan, various 
practices at Naropa when Chögyam Trungpa was still
kickin' and drinkin', and Zen. A few others that I haven't 
dusted off in what seems like decades. Never had the
pleasure of encountering Mr. Lenz as I always got a
very bad vibe there.

No one ever told me, and I didn't ask, but I alway thought 
that the half dozen TM advanced techniques I received over
the years might not have been available to me had I been 
advertising involvement in various things. Never really felt 
like being a joiner and being a "devotee" ain't my thang.
I figure I did my time as an altar boy in the '60s and 
enjoyed looking around. I consider myself defrocked. :-) 

TM experiences were good and definitely seemed  
enhanced by the advanced techniques, with the exception
of the last. They got more expensive as the years went
on but that was never a great burden. My last two were after
my CIC course. 

When I took instruction in Mindfullness meditation in '07
I arbitrarily decided to discontinue my TM. The seeds of 
the old brainwashing still have some life I guess. A few
months ago, about a year after Mindfullness instruction, 
I began TM again. Practicing them both is neither a strain  
nor a conflict and I realize now that a hiatus of one to learn
the other was completely unnecessary. I can't quite put my 
finger on it, but there is something very complimentary about 
TM and mindfullness/vipassana practice. As I continue my
practice I expect that my feelings about that will clarify itself.
I am glad I have both.

Given the behavior and trajectory of the TMO for quite a 
few years I have found it impossible to  recommend it as 
a place to go for meditation instruction. I do, however,
heartily recommend what groups like InsightLa, the Insight
Meditation Society, and Jon Kabat-Zinn's MBSR are doing.
I saw enough weirdness with Chögyam Trungpa and others
in his organization in the 70's to find it hard to take the
Shambala folks seriously. I say that in spite of the fact that
they are held in high regard by some folks who I hold in 
high regard. Go figure. I chalk it up to a cultural thang akin
to my not being convinced that being whacked by a
keisaku/kyosaku is compassionate. Maybe I had severe Inos, 
but that makes me wanna gassho myowndamnself outta
there.

I tell yas these rambling tales Shemp just to show you
I am interested in hearing your TMSP experiences and what
led you to distance yourself from the Movement. Hearing
it from someone still satisfied with their is always interesting. 
  
Think cool thoughts Shemp. It makes summer in Arizona 
bearable. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
> 
> As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took was what 
> was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT CONTINUES TO THIS 
> DAY.
> 
> And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY (I'm 
> sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with the Sidhis and 
> the flying in the way he did would destroy the movement.  I think that's 
> either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy Cooke de Herrera's book, ironically 
> titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what TM was SUPPOSED to be about.
> 
> Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to initiating 
> millions.  That ALL came to a grinding halt with the sidhis and the flying.

[FairfieldLife] 'The Peace of God'

[Robert]

And while the nails, were pounded into his flesh...and the blood squirted out, 
onto the dirt in Jerusalem...He ached hard and fast...No one could watch, The 
body twitched...Time stood still, for quite a while, then:He came to 
Peace...And then he passed on.
R.G.


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[It's just a ride]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:
> There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM 
> movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the 
> possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on 
> the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was 
> expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that 
> there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of 
> what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and 
> personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been 
> meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. 
> His voice sounded "ashen" and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't 
> returned a phone call or an email since then.
>

I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the
truth of the gods.  It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on
residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of
all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which
is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of
consciousness.

How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only
the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage
point?  Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his
belief or was it his BN followers?

Art imitates life.  I remember the reporter from the Village Voice
telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God.  That
millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the
country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment.   My
meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene.
While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers
were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they
believed were God.

Is that the way it is?  Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't
have all of these BN initiators?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> 
> > >   I was thinking of the federal level- where many 
> > > advocate a total ban.
> > 
> > I don't think so. I doubt anyone in Congress advocates
> > a total ban on guns. Many are in favor of various types
> > of gun control, but not a total ban by any stretch.
> > 
> > And there are at least as many in Congress who vigorously
> > oppose most if not all gun-control measures.
> 
>  We have a Mr. Koh involved who is a globalist that thinks
> we should be run by the UN.

Well, not exactly.

>   The UN has some bizzare ideas on soverin nations.
>The international CIFTA treaty which has some support
> here is a total disaster in the making.

It'll never pass the Senate.

And you still haven't come close to backing up your
original claims.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> 
> >   Check congresswoman McCarthy and her views, also,
> >   R Emanuel
> >   E holder
> >   Ms. Pelosi
> >   Ted Kennedy
> >   D Feinstein
> >   Kerry
> >   H. Koh
> >   Joe Biden- who wrote the Clinton assault weapons ban which, upon official 
> > investigation proved to be virtually useless.
> >As an ironic aside, Ms. Fienstein, I beliieve, has a CCP but doesn't 
> > believe you are entitled to one.   
> >Mr. Obamma, has promised to reinstate the Clinton gun ban.
> 
> None of these people are advocating a "total gun ban,"
> contrary to your original claims.
  Hoping it turns out well, not overconfident though.
> 
> They advocate various types of gun-control measures
> designed to make gun possession safer.
> 
> And as the ReasonOnline article notes, while there are
> a few such measures currently sitting in committee,
> that's all they're doing, sitting. Nobody's interested
> in acting on them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> 
> >   Check congresswoman McCarthy and her views, also,
> >   R Emanuel
> >   E holder
> >   Ms. Pelosi
> >   Ted Kennedy
> >   D Feinstein
> >   Kerry
> >   H. Koh
> >   Joe Biden- who wrote the Clinton assault weapons ban which, upon official 
> > investigation proved to be virtually useless.
> >As an ironic aside, Ms. Fienstein, I beliieve, has a CCP but doesn't 
> > believe you are entitled to one.   
> >Mr. Obamma, has promised to reinstate the Clinton gun ban.
> 
> None of these people are advocating a "total gun ban,"
> contrary to your original claims.
> 
> They advocate various types of gun-control measures
> designed to make gun possession safer.
> 
> And as the ReasonOnline article notes, while there are
> a few such measures currently sitting in committee,
> that's all they're doing, sitting. Nobody's interested
> in acting on them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO,
> > of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily*
> > hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive
> > image and *at the same time* embrace another that is
> > completely comfortable with a more negative image.
> 
> Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony.
> 
> Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from
> Barry's must hold that view because they've been
> *brainwashed*.
> 
> Barry is incapable of understanding that there can
> be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY.
> 
> The question is, who brainwashed Barry?
>


Barry can make some good points about MMY and the TMO, as he did earlier in the 
day.

But Judy's point shouldn't be lost: who brainwashed Barry?

I suggest that Barry is sucseptible to brainwashing and that he was, indeed, 
brainwashed by...the TMO!  I myself have always held the cynical but respectful 
view of this teaching (I think it's the greatest thing since apple pie but 
believe the TMO is full of crap) pretty much since I first started getting 
involved with them.  But Barry must have fell for it hook, line, and 
sinker...or else why does he think the way he does?

Of course, there are always going to be the Nabby's of every organisation; you 
can't help that.  But to define MY experience with TM and the TMO by holding up 
Nabby, Barry, is not only wrong but unfair.

Give me some credit for being able to think for myself, please.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:46 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
alkaline body
 
What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO,
of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily*
hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive
image and *at the same time* embrace another that is
completely comfortable with a more negative image.

They were taught that this is not possible, that 
"focusing on negativity" was BAD. If one indulges in
it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total
and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively
about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang
with those who never have. 
 
There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM
movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the
possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on
the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was
expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi -
that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that
much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural
conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If
we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain
from his face. His voice sounded "ashen" and he quickly terminated the call.
He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> 
> > >   Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief
> 
> He signed it, along with others; he didn't file it.
> 
>  in the DC
> > > gun ban case in favor of total hand gun ban and ban on
> > > the use of any firearm for self defense in the home.
> 
> No, it required that other firearms be kept unloaded or
> with a trigger lock. It didn't ban possession or use.
> 
> > > Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.
> > 
> > It's my understanding that that case applied to Washington
> > DC where they had ALREADY outlawed handguns.
> 
> That's correct. Handguns had been outlawed in D.C.
> since 1975 because of the high level of handgun
> violence in the city.
> 
> When the challenge to the ban went to the Supreme
> Court, a majority of members of Congress signed an
> amicus brief in favor of the court overruling the
> ban (55 in the Senate, 250 in the House).
> 
> The Bush Justice Department *opposed* overruling
> the ban.
> 
> And remember your original claims, "Most of the crew
> in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership almost
> totally," and then "Many [in the federal government]
> advocate a total ban." Holder signing the amicus
> brief in D.C. v. Heller is hardly enough to support
> those claims.
> 
> Nelson, John's right on this, and you're wrong. I 
> don't know where you've been getting this stuff, but
> it's simply incorrect.
> 
> Here's an article from ReasonOnline, a libertarian
> publication, that will give you an accurate picture
> of where things stand now:
> 
> http://www.reason.com/news/show/131352.html
> 
> The writer is obviously not a knee-jerk Obamabot
> like John, so he should have some credibility with
> you; but he isn't a right-wing gun nut, either, so
> his report is fact-based and his analysis sober and
> straightforward.
>
  Good link- Thank you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"  wrote:
> >
> > An intro to 'Outnumbered'...
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQak6ng0RXQ
> >
> 
> 
> That's one of the most precious things I've ever seen.
> 
> A must for all spiritual seekers...
>


I was so taken with this clip that I emailed the link to several friends on my 
email list.

I sent it with the message that seeing the following four minute video will 
answer all your most pressing spiritual questions.

That was a mistake.

One of my recipients emailed me back thinking that the clip was serious and 
she, in turn, is now trying to convert me to her brand of Christianity.

So I've learned a big lesson here: my brand of humor is not the same as 
everyone else's, especially when it comes to religion.

Anyway, if you want to see a really well-crafted bit of comedy, see the clip.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO,
> of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily*
> hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive
> image and *at the same time* embrace another that is
> completely comfortable with a more negative image.

Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony.

Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from
Barry's must hold that view because they've been
*brainwashed*.

Barry is incapable of understanding that there can
be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY.

The question is, who brainwashed Barry?

[FairfieldLife] Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems

[do.rflex]

Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo:
`Yell,' `Stand Up And Shout Out,' `Rattle Him' 

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are
increasingly being harassed by "angry, sign-carrying mobs
  and disruptive
behavior" at local town halls. For example, in one incident,
right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced
police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity
 . Recently,
right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy
  outside of his
office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that
much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and
lobbyists   who have a
stake in opposing President Obama's reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which
orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties
 
earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy
  to create an image of mass public opposition
to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo
  from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer
  with the
FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be
infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:
  [Tea Bagger Memo]
– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: "Spread out in the hall and
try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the
defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to
feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the
audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington."

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: "You need to rock-the-boat
early in the Rep's presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell
out and challenge the Rep's statements early."

– Try To "Rattle Him," Not Have An Intelligent Debate:
"The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and
agenda.  If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit
right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes
questions."

The memo above also resembles the talking points
  being distributed by FreedomWorks for pushing an
anti-health reform assault all summer. Patients United, a front group
maintained by Americans for Prosperity, is currently busing people all
over the country
  for more protests
against Democratic members. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the
NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil
town halls are now "over
 ."

Meanwhile, AHIP, the trade group and lobbying juggernaut representing
the health insurance industry is sending staffers to monitor town halls
  and other
right-wing front groups are stepping up their
  ad campaign to smear reform
efforts. The strategy for defeating reform — recently outlined by an
influential lobbyist to the Hill newspaper as "delay" then
"kill"
 
— is becoming apparent. By delaying a vote until after the August
recess, lobbyists are now seizing upon recess town halls
  as opportunities to ambush lawmakers and fool
them into believing there is wide opposition to reform.


http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:

> >   I was thinking of the federal level- where many 
> > advocate a total ban.
> 
> I don't think so. I doubt anyone in Congress advocates
> a total ban on guns. Many are in favor of various types
> of gun control, but not a total ban by any stretch.
> 
> And there are at least as many in Congress who vigorously
> oppose most if not all gun-control measures.

 We have a Mr. Koh involved who is a globalist that thinks we should be run by 
the UN.
  The UN has some bizzare ideas on soverin nations.
   The international CIFTA treaty which has some support here is a total 
disaster in the making.
   If the majority of Americans were informed, we would already be living in 
post revolution times.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <
> > > > 
> > > > Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from 
> > > > wingnut conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.
> snip
> > > > 
> > > > The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily 
> > > > manipulated discontents of society that the right wing media panders 
> > > > to. The American people as a whole, reject such irrational 
> > > > fear-mongering political nonsense and the primitive, hostile mob 
> > > > mentality it generates.
> > > >
> > > 
> > >   Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief in the DC gun ban case in 
> > > favor of total hand gun ban and ban on the use of any firearm for self 
> > > defense in the home.
> > >   Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > It's my understanding that that case applied to Washington DC where they 
> > had ALREADY outlawed handguns. 
> > +++ That is right, they were outlawed and,Mr. Holder was protesting the law 
> > being overturned.
> > You still haven't backed up in a credible way your claim that "almost total 
> > gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to be implemented by the Obama 
> > administration.
> > 
> > Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
> > legislation to back up your claim.
> > 
> > And please consider again that there is NO support for, NOR ANY POSSIBILITY 
> > for any such legislation to pass in Congress.
> >
>   Check congresswoman McCarthy and her views, also,
>   R Emanuel
>   E holder
>   Ms. Pelosi
>   Ted Kennedy
>   D Feinstein
>   Kerry
>   H. Koh
>   Joe Biden- who wrote the Clinton assault weapons ban which, upon official 
> investigation proved to be virtually useless.
>As an ironic aside, Ms. Fienstein, I beliieve, has a CCP but doesn't 
> believe you are entitled to one.   
>Mr. Obamma, has promised to reinstate the Clinton gun ban.
>Not being a typist nor being responsible for your enlightenment, you may 
> have the last word but, at this point, I don't see how it will be an informed 
> one.
>


Who are you trying to fool? ...besides yourself? 

You have provided NOTHING to objectify what your list of people ACTUALLY think 
or said that indicates they indeed ARE going to ACTUALLY introduce legislation 
for "almost total gun restriction."

And the fact remains that you STILL haven't backed up in a credible way your 
claim that "almost total gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to be 
implemented by the Obama administration.

Nor have you shown specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
legislation to back up that claim.

And please consider again that there is NO support for, NOR ANY POSSIBILITY for 
any such legislation to pass in Congress.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:

>   Check congresswoman McCarthy and her views, also,
>   R Emanuel
>   E holder
>   Ms. Pelosi
>   Ted Kennedy
>   D Feinstein
>   Kerry
>   H. Koh
>   Joe Biden- who wrote the Clinton assault weapons ban which, upon official 
> investigation proved to be virtually useless.
>As an ironic aside, Ms. Fienstein, I beliieve, has a CCP but doesn't 
> believe you are entitled to one.   
>Mr. Obamma, has promised to reinstate the Clinton gun ban.

None of these people are advocating a "total gun ban,"
contrary to your original claims.

They advocate various types of gun-control measures
designed to make gun possession safer.

And as the ReasonOnline article notes, while there are
a few such measures currently sitting in committee,
that's all they're doing, sitting. Nobody's interested
in acting on them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying 
> to sell or defend a point of view. My point of view can be 
> more accurately described as a "points of view". That's why 
> you'll find me posting very positive things about MMY/TM 
> and then posting other things that might be construed as
> negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things 
> that appear to have happened. I find it useful to try to 
> accommodate the good, the bad, and the ugly in one brain. 
> In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept that 
> a "negative" thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable 
> of accepting the "positive" things, and vice versa. Besides, 
> negative and positive, right and wrong, are very subjective 
> judgments. Very much determined by cultural conditioning  
> and very hard to ascribe any sort of absolute value to.

Well said.

And I agree completely with your self-assessment,
and with the way I see you present yourself on
this forum.

What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO,
of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily*
hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive
image and *at the same time* embrace another that is
completely comfortable with a more negative image.

They were taught that this is not possible, that 
"focusing on negativity" was BAD. If one indulges in
it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total
and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively
about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang
with those who never have. 

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a man. End of story.

As such, he did things that were nice, and things that
were shitty. Those who try to convince us that he only
did the nice things and never did any of the shitty
ones are probably going to try to convince us of the
same thing about themselves. We are free to laugh at
them as they try.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
> 
> As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took was what 
> was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT CONTINUES TO THIS 
> DAY.
> 
> And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY (I'm 
> sure there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with the Sidhis and 
> the flying in the way he did would destroy the movement.  I think that's 
> either in Paul Mason's book or Nancy Cooke de Herrera's book, ironically 
> titled "Beyond Gurus", which is what TM was SUPPOSED to be about.
> 
> Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to initiating 
> millions.  That ALL came to a grinding halt with the sidhis and the flying.  
> One wonders where we'd be today if things had been done differently...or, 
> rather, by the same formula that got them the original success.
> 
> My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM "path", 
> that there is virtually no support for people like me in the TMO.  And I 
> suppose that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do it yourself" program.  
> 
> But it sure is lonely here.

Without a social foundation the tmorg will wither and die, look at how old most 
of the Raja's are.  A prosperous thriving institution must have social outlets 
where like minds can meet, marry and further the goals of the institution.

I think MMY was more interested in conquering the World with his message of 
"Yoga-lite for modernity"; (I think he even said he was in a hurry) his mission 
was perhaps macrocosmic in scope and not targeted towards the individual like a 
Sat-Guru's would be!

Never the less, Yoga-lite is better than NO TM/Yoga at all!!  by far! TM, as 
taught,  is introductory Yoga for the masses..

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Recent talk of "needing a guru" here has reminded me 
> > of a phenomenon that many TB TMers are either unaware
> > of (because they started TM so much later than others
> > here and thus missed the earlier teachings) or they
> > have blotted out the earlier teachings from their minds 
> > (because they don't want to deal with the fact that
> > Maharishi completely reversed himself). 
> > 
> > I call this phenomenon the "Maharishi Flip-Flop." It's
> > where Maharishi started his "career" as a spiritual
> > teacher teaching one thing -- emphatically -- and then
> > LATER "flip-flopped" and began teaching or doing 
> > *exactly the opposite* of what he had said/taught before.
> > 
> > The most famous example of this, of course, is the siddhis.
> > In courses throughout the late 60s, Maharishi was clear
> > to the point of being emphatic that they were dangerous
> > and should *not* be pursued by spiritual seekers. The whole
> > "capture the fort" analogy was *invented* as a reply to
> > students who asked about the siddhis and how to achieve
> > them. MMY's teaching *at that time* was that it was safer
> > to "capture the fort," and allow such siddhis to blossom
> > on their own, if they did. He definitely *discouraged* 
> > people from ever trying to achieve the siddhis. 
> > 
> > Of course, we all know how that turned out. And a number
> > of us here probably now feel that his earlier teaching
> > -- before the flip-flop -- was more correct.
> > 
> > But for me, the "Maharishi Flip-Flop" teaching that has
> > had the most debilitating effect on students, and has 
> > thus incurred the most negative karma, is the flip-flop 
> > he made on "gurus" and whether one should rely on them 
> > when it comes to advice on how to live one's life.
> > 
> > I remember Maharishi clearly addressing this issue in
> > response to a question from the audience, the first time
> > I ever saw him, in 1967. The person asked him for advice 
> > on how to resolve a quandary or problem in his life. In 
> > effect, the questioner was asking Maharishi to make the
> > decision for him -- tell him what to do, give him the 
> > "right" answer.
> > 
> > Maharishi categorically refused to do so, and explained why.
> > He said, "If I tell you what to do...what decision to make
> > ...what happens the *next* time you need to make a decision?
> > You'll come running to me asking me to make it for you." 
> > 
> > He then went on to give a long talk on how the idea of 
> > "gurus" telling their students what to do and how to live
> > was a *mistake*, because "It makes the students weaker. 
> > As they become dependent on the guru or teacher to make 
> > decisions for them, they lose the ability to make decisions 
> > themselves." At this point, as he always did, Maharishi 
> > segued into a discussion of TM, and how theoretically it 
> > would enable the student to become stronger and more able 
> > to make his OWN decisions, and not need anyone to make 
> > them for him.
> > 
> > Cut to only a few years later, and how Maharishi began

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:

> >   Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief

He signed it, along with others; he didn't file it.

 in the DC
> > gun ban case in favor of total hand gun ban and ban on
> > the use of any firearm for self defense in the home.

No, it required that other firearms be kept unloaded or
with a trigger lock. It didn't ban possession or use.

> > Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.
> 
> It's my understanding that that case applied to Washington
> DC where they had ALREADY outlawed handguns.

That's correct. Handguns had been outlawed in D.C.
since 1975 because of the high level of handgun
violence in the city.

When the challenge to the ban went to the Supreme
Court, a majority of members of Congress signed an
amicus brief in favor of the court overruling the
ban (55 in the Senate, 250 in the House).

The Bush Justice Department *opposed* overruling
the ban.

And remember your original claims, "Most of the crew
in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership almost
totally," and then "Many [in the federal government]
advocate a total ban." Holder signing the amicus
brief in D.C. v. Heller is hardly enough to support
those claims.

Nelson, John's right on this, and you're wrong. I 
don't know where you've been getting this stuff, but
it's simply incorrect.

Here's an article from ReasonOnline, a libertarian
publication, that will give you an accurate picture
of where things stand now:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/131352.html

The writer is obviously not a knee-jerk Obamabot
like John, so he should have some credibility with
you; but he isn't a right-wing gun nut, either, so
his report is fact-based and his analysis sober and
straightforward.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <
> > > 
> > > Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from 
> > > wingnut conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.
snip
> > > 
> > > The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily 
> > > manipulated discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. 
> > > The American people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering 
> > > political nonsense and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
> > >
> > 
> >   Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief in the DC gun ban case in favor 
> > of total hand gun ban and ban on the use of any firearm for self defense in 
> > the home.
> >   Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.
> >
> 
> 
> It's my understanding that that case applied to Washington DC where they had 
> ALREADY outlawed handguns. 
> +++ That is right, they were outlawed and,Mr. Holder was protesting the law 
> being overturned.
> You still haven't backed up in a credible way your claim that "almost total 
> gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to be implemented by the Obama 
> administration.
> 
> Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
> legislation to back up your claim.
> 
> And please consider again that there is NO support for, NOR ANY POSSIBILITY 
> for any such legislation to pass in Congress.
>
  Check congresswoman McCarthy and her views, also,
  R Emanuel
  E holder
  Ms. Pelosi
  Ted Kennedy
  D Feinstein
  Kerry
  H. Koh
  Joe Biden- who wrote the Clinton assault weapons ban which, upon official 
investigation proved to be virtually useless.
   As an ironic aside, Ms. Fienstein, I beliieve, has a CCP but doesn't believe 
you are entitled to one.   
   Mr. Obamma, has promised to reinstate the Clinton gun ban.
   Not being a typist nor being responsible for your enlightenment, you may 
have the last word but, at this point, I don't see how it will be an informed 
one.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
alkaline body
 
> Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi
(which
> I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on
a
> hard floor.

At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations !
I remember playing around with some friends, trying to contort our bodies
into various positions, and I discovered lotus. Won a prize at a birthday
party once for doing it.

I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One
day perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called
"innocent".
Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying to sell or defend
a point of view. My point of view can be more accurately described as a
"points of view". That's why you'll find me posting very positive things
about MMY/TM and then posting other things that might be construed as
negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things that appear to have
happened. I find it useful to try to accommodate the good, the bad, and the
ugly in one brain. In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept
that a "negative" thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable of
accepting the "positive" things, and vice versa. Besides, negative and
positive, right and wrong, are very subjective judgments. Very much
determined by cultural conditioning  and very hard to ascribe any sort of
absolute value to.
 

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Slavery (was Re: Space/Time Foam)

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Why I brought it up is that I have been noticing
> > lately the number of people like John (jr_esq)
> > who have been brainwashed to believe certain 
> > things for so long that they no longer seem to
> > know they *are* brainwashed.
> 
> Note that according to Barry's Rules, the definition
> of "brainwashed" is: "Anybody who believes something
> other than what Barry believes." This applies, of
> course, especially to TMers. In Barry's World, it's
> not possible for anybody who thinks for themselves
> to hold beliefs he doesn't share. Barry thinking is
> *the* standard for thinking for oneself.
>

Judy,

Excellent point.  That's the reason why I don't like to respond to any of his 
anti-TM comments.  It appears that we are talking to a brick wall when you 
discuss reason with the guy.  That's the reason why he carries a lot of inertia 
to clear thinking, which is against the wisdom of this forum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> 
> > The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily 
> > manipulated discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. 
> > The American people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering 
> > political nonsense and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
> >



> -I see and of course you are content,highly educated,wise beyond your 
> years,fearless, rational,non hostile,anti mob,non primitive, beyond 
> manipulation,and crap free? 
> 


Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) : Southern Republicans are sinking GOP

Republicans have become more rural and less educated 


"The high education areas Obama carried -- 78 
of the 100 counties with the highest education. 

McCain carried 88 of the 100 counties with the 
lowest education. As we move to cultural politics, 
that's been the shift."


In an interview on Hardball, former Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) followed up on recent 
comments made by Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) about how the Republican party is 
losing its appeal. 

Said Davis: "Politics has been defined by culture over the last few cycles, and 
we've become a rural party and a Southern party. We've been losing inner 
suburbs and the like. A lot of this was the policies of the Bush 
administration." 

Furthermore, as the GOP increased its focus on cultural issues, it also caused 
a widening education gap. 

Davis added: "The high education areas Obama carried -- 78 of the 100 counties 
with the highest education. McCain carried 88 of the 100 counties with the 
lowest education. As we move to cultural politics, that's been the shift." 

Here's the clip: 
http://www.gawkk.com/voinovich-southern-republicans-sinking-the-gop/discuss 

= =

Birthers are mostly Republican and Southern 

Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 7/27-30. All adults. MoE 2% (No trend lines) 

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or 
not? 

Yes  77 
No   11 
Not sure 12 

So 11 percent of Americans are Obama-hating conspiracy theorists. How do they 
break down? 

 Yes   No   Not sure 
Dem   9343 
Rep   42   28   30 
Ind   8389 

Northeast 9343 
South 47   23   30 
Midwest   9064 
West  8776 

Once again, Republicans find themselves outside the American mainstream. And 
reality. 

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/31/760087/-Birthers-are-mostly-Republican-and-Southern
 

= = 

With an increasingly fringe GOP, the more moderates who leave the GOP, the more 
conservative and extreme the GOP becomes, and the more the party will pick 
people like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee in their primaries - people who can't 
win a general election. 

http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/cnn-palin-is-another-huckabee-party.html 


~~~  The Incredible Shrinking GOP: Only 20 Percent Self-Identify As Republican  
~~~

Earlier this week a Washington Post poll made a big splash because it found 
that only 21 percent self-identify as Republicans. The abysmally low number got 
pundits and reporters talking about whether the GOP is shrinking to the point 
of irrelevance.

Now we have another poll that finds that the number of self-identified 
Republicans has dropped even lower: 20 percent.

Here are the key numbers, buried in the internals of the new NBC/WSJ poll: 
Thirteen percent identify themselves as a "strong Republican"; seven percent as 
a "not very strong Republican." Total: Twenty percent.

http://snipurl.com/ohe7c  [theplumline_whorunsgov_com] 


[snip to end]

[FairfieldLife] The Domes Effect: FF has 13 registered sex offenders

[It's just a ride]

http://tinyurl.com/kk53gl

Quite a good number for such a small town in the land of the blessed.

-- 
   The Code Cult of the CPU Guru:
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired


What a sad, funny, pathetic story.  It explains so much.

"Several have been driven to suicide, lost their minds, or disappeared
mysteriously, without a trace."  And others have fled to another country and
dare not step foot in the US again.

"Instead of responding to the charges, current Lenz followers sent me a
thick notebook of affidavits detailing the personal lives of the people
making them and alleging their mental instability."  Sounds exactly like
Barry, who repeats the same attacks against people here time and time again
like he's memorized the attacks.  Barry does this for the good of the
individual or readers of FFL so they can make up their mind about TM.  Yeah,
sure.  He's fixated with FFL and many of its members, pure and simple.

"The intended effect was achieved: Dazed and confused from hunger and
exhaustion, the disciples felt an even stronger loyalty to their teacher."
 Yup, Stockholm Syndrome.

This explains why Barry is so full of hate, which he denies motivates his
"button pushing" and his unending snide caricatures of people.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[shempmcgurk]

Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.

As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took was what 
was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.

And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY (I'm sure 
there must have been dozens more!) that coming out with the Sidhis and the 
flying in the way he did would destroy the movement.  I think that's either in 
Paul Mason's book or Nancy Cooke de Herrera's book, ironically titled "Beyond 
Gurus", which is what TM was SUPPOSED to be about.

Back in '76 before the change took place, the TMO was on track to initiating 
millions.  That ALL came to a grinding halt with the sidhis and the flying.  
One wonders where we'd be today if things had been done differently...or, 
rather, by the same formula that got them the original success.

My big complaint is that as one who subscribes to the ORIGINAL TM "path", that 
there is virtually no support for people like me in the TMO.  And I suppose 
that's okay because it's supposed to be a "do it yourself" program.  

But it sure is lonely here.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Recent talk of "needing a guru" here has reminded me 
> of a phenomenon that many TB TMers are either unaware
> of (because they started TM so much later than others
> here and thus missed the earlier teachings) or they
> have blotted out the earlier teachings from their minds 
> (because they don't want to deal with the fact that
> Maharishi completely reversed himself). 
> 
> I call this phenomenon the "Maharishi Flip-Flop." It's
> where Maharishi started his "career" as a spiritual
> teacher teaching one thing -- emphatically -- and then
> LATER "flip-flopped" and began teaching or doing 
> *exactly the opposite* of what he had said/taught before.
> 
> The most famous example of this, of course, is the siddhis.
> In courses throughout the late 60s, Maharishi was clear
> to the point of being emphatic that they were dangerous
> and should *not* be pursued by spiritual seekers. The whole
> "capture the fort" analogy was *invented* as a reply to
> students who asked about the siddhis and how to achieve
> them. MMY's teaching *at that time* was that it was safer
> to "capture the fort," and allow such siddhis to blossom
> on their own, if they did. He definitely *discouraged* 
> people from ever trying to achieve the siddhis. 
> 
> Of course, we all know how that turned out. And a number
> of us here probably now feel that his earlier teaching
> -- before the flip-flop -- was more correct.
> 
> But for me, the "Maharishi Flip-Flop" teaching that has
> had the most debilitating effect on students, and has 
> thus incurred the most negative karma, is the flip-flop 
> he made on "gurus" and whether one should rely on them 
> when it comes to advice on how to live one's life.
> 
> I remember Maharishi clearly addressing this issue in
> response to a question from the audience, the first time
> I ever saw him, in 1967. The person asked him for advice 
> on how to resolve a quandary or problem in his life. In 
> effect, the questioner was asking Maharishi to make the
> decision for him -- tell him what to do, give him the 
> "right" answer.
> 
> Maharishi categorically refused to do so, and explained why.
> He said, "If I tell you what to do...what decision to make
> ...what happens the *next* time you need to make a decision?
> You'll come running to me asking me to make it for you." 
> 
> He then went on to give a long talk on how the idea of 
> "gurus" telling their students what to do and how to live
> was a *mistake*, because "It makes the students weaker. 
> As they become dependent on the guru or teacher to make 
> decisions for them, they lose the ability to make decisions 
> themselves." At this point, as he always did, Maharishi 
> segued into a discussion of TM, and how theoretically it 
> would enable the student to become stronger and more able 
> to make his OWN decisions, and not need anyone to make 
> them for him.
> 
> Cut to only a few years later, and how Maharishi began to
> treat the meditators and TM teachers who had "signed on" to
> the TM movement. It was a complete and total flip-flop. He
> began to dictate what they should wear and not wear, what
> they should eat and not eat, what they should believe and
> not believe, and who they should hang around with and not
> hang around with. It is not unfair to say that on courses
> *every* aspect of a TM student's life was dictated to him;
> every minute of every day was *literally* "being told what
> to do," by the guru. And soon this "being told what to do" 
> began to creep over into the lives of the TM teachers when 
> they were *not* on courses as well.
> 
> And I think that most here have seen the debilitating 
> effects of coming to rely on Maharishi to tell them what
> to do. Tens of thousands of TM teachers literally *lost
> their ability* to think for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
> alkaline body
>  
> I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did
> you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what
> what was the question/answer ?
> I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this.

Any question/answer of particular interest you would like to share ?

> Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would
> not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ?
> I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable
> for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on
> Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited
> Fairfield.
> 
> Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation
> with Maharishi ? 
> Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which
> I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a
> hard floor.

At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations !

 
> If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with
> Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger.
> When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There
> are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than
> the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up.

I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One day 
perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called "innocent".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting
> > > > > gun ownership almost totally. A little research on
> > > > > the subject will turn up some very disturbing facts.
> > > > 
> > > > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe
> > > > wingnut conspiracy loons. Obama has stated plainly that
> > > > he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. There is NO
> > > > congressional support to do anything like you're
> > > > suggesting and neither are there any plans from the
> > > > White House to propose any such thing.
> > > >
> > > Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of
> > > view haven't been following the issue very closely.
> > 
> > Nelson, when you refer to "the crew in DC," are you
> > thinking of the federal government (the administration
> > and Congress), or the local government *of DC*?
> > 
> > There may be some confusion on this point because DC
> > itself does not have the same degree of control over
> > its affairs as the states. It does have local
> > government, but Congress has the power to overrule
> > what the local government does, because DC is not a
> > state but a federal district.
> > 
> > The local DC government is very much in favor of
> > handgun control in the city because of the high
> > degree of violent crime associated with guns in
> > the city. It had a strong ban on handguns, but the
> > ban was challenged in court, and the Supreme Court
> > ruled last year that the ban was unconstitutional.
> > Congresscritters held forth at the time on both
> > sides of the issue; there were proposals to override
> > the ban with legislation, but ultimately Congress
> > took no action. Obama flip-flopped on whether the 
> > ban was constitutional.
> > 
> > Anyway, I'm wondering whether you have "DC" the
> > city confused with "DC" the federal gummint. There
> > are no moves to impose gun control on a federal
> > level currently; it's simply not politically
> > feasible.
> >
>   I was thinking of the federal level- where many 
> advocate a total ban.

I don't think so. I doubt anyone in Congress advocates
a total ban on guns. Many are in favor of various types
of gun control, but not a total ban by any stretch.

And there are at least as many in Congress who vigorously
oppose most if not all gun-control measures.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[Bhairitu]

Bhairitu wrote:
> TurquoiseB wrote:
>   
>> This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
>>
>> First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
>> and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
>> label was based on.
>>
>> Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
>> thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
>> sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
>> WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
>> the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?
>>
>> Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
>> the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
>> after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
>> is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.
>>
>> Have Americans completely lost their minds?
>>   
>> 
> It's Alabaman's who have lost their minds not Americans.   Porn 
> companies have watch that they don't sell anything to anyone in 
> Alabama.  That state has some very uptight laws put their by brain dead 
> "krischuns."   Probably a good place to avoid visiting though I have 
> seen one horror movie that was shot there.  Er, maybe it was a 
> documentary. ;-)
Article on the Obama administration and their backing off the Bush era 
porn prosecution:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25622.html

Excerpt:
“This is a substantial change of position,” said Louis Sirkin, an 
attorney who has represented many in the pornography industry, including 
Hustler publisher Larry Flynt. “The new administration has come in there 
and made a new determination….It certainly is different than what we 
have seen in the past.”







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You indeed protesteth too much..
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It appears that it's the fringe secessionist 'Teabaggers" who 
> > > > > > > > are doing the protesting "too much."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The 'South' will rise again?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their 
> > > > > > > protesting.
> > > > > > >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> > > > > > >Hitler
> > > > > > >Castro
> > > > > > >Qaddafi
> > > > > > >Stalin
> > > > > > >Idi Amin
> > > > > > >Mao Tse-tung
> > > > > > >Pol Pot
> > > > > > >Kim Jong-IL 
> > > > > > >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> > > > > > >With their combined governments, the number of people that 
> > > > > > > have been exterminated must run into the billions.
> > > > > > >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in 
> > > > > > > the news.
> > > > > > >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> > > > > > >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Who's trying to confiscate the Teabagger's guns? What are you 
> > > > > > talking about?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As I understand it, the only thing that's happened recently is the 
> > > > > > gun worshippers failed to pass legislation 'expanding' gun rights 
> > > > > > to include carrying concealed weapons across state lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > >   Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership 
> > > > > almost totally.
> > > > >   A little research on the subject will turn up some very disturbing 
> > > > > facts.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe wingnut 
> > > > conspiracy loons. Obama has stated plainly that he fully supports the 
> > > > 2nd Amendment. There is NO congressional support to do anything like 
> > > > you're suggesting and neither are there any plans from the White House 
> > > > to propose any such thing.
> > > >
> > >   Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of view haven't 
> > > been following the issue very closely.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > The natural thing for you to do is to specifically back up in a credible 
> > way your claim that "almost total gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY 
> > going to be implemented by the Obama administration. 
> > 
> > Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
> > legislation to back up your claim. 
> > 
> > Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from 
> > wingnut conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.
> > 
> > =  Your rhetoric sounds like the crackpot claims from nutbags like Glenn 
> > Beck that Obama is setting up vast FEMA concentration camps for his 
> > political enemies and that he's about to implement mandatory public service 
> > camps for young people where they will somehow be subject to "re-education" 
> > brainwashing.
> > 
> > It's partly because of the right wing fringe wackos and crackpots like that 
> > that the GOP has become so marginalized and impotent politically. 
> > 
> > The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily 
> > manipulated discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. 
> > The American people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering 
> > political nonsense and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
> >
> 
>   Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief in the DC gun ban case in favor of 
> total hand gun ban and ban on the use of any firearm for self defense in the 
> home.
>   Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.
>


It's my understanding that that case applied to Washington DC where they had 
ALREADY outlawed handguns. 

You still haven't backed up in a credible way your claim that "almost total gun 
restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[sgrayatlarge]

> The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily manipulated 
> discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. The American 
> people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering political nonsense 
> and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
>
-I see and of course you are content,highly educated,wise beyond your 
years,fearless, rational,non hostile,anti mob,non primitive, beyond 
manipulation,and crap free? 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You indeed protesteth too much..
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It appears that it's the fringe secessionist 'Teabaggers" who are 
> > > > > > > doing the protesting "too much."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The 'South' will rise again?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their 
> > > > > > protesting.
> > > > > >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> > > > > >Hitler
> > > > > >Castro
> > > > > >Qaddafi
> > > > > >Stalin
> > > > > >Idi Amin
> > > > > >Mao Tse-tung
> > > > > >Pol Pot
> > > > > >Kim Jong-IL 
> > > > > >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> > > > > >With their combined governments, the number of people that have 
> > > > > > been exterminated must run into the billions.
> > > > > >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in 
> > > > > > the news.
> > > > > >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> > > > > >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who's trying to confiscate the Teabagger's guns? What are you talking 
> > > > > about?
> > > > > 
> > > > > As I understand it, the only thing that's happened recently is the 
> > > > > gun worshippers failed to pass legislation 'expanding' gun rights to 
> > > > > include carrying concealed weapons across state lines.
> > > > >
> > > >   Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership 
> > > > almost totally.
> > > >   A little research on the subject will turn up some very disturbing 
> > > > facts.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe wingnut conspiracy 
> > > loons. Obama has stated plainly that he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. 
> > > There is NO congressional support to do anything like you're suggesting 
> > > and neither are there any plans from the White House to propose any such 
> > > thing.
> > >
> >   Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of view haven't 
> > been following the issue very closely.
> >
> 
> 
> The natural thing for you to do is to specifically back up in a credible way 
> your claim that "almost total gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to 
> be implemented by the Obama administration. 
> 
> Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
> legislation to back up your claim. 
> 
> Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from wingnut 
> conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.
> 
> =  Your rhetoric sounds like the crackpot claims from nutbags like Glenn Beck 
> that Obama is setting up vast FEMA concentration camps for his political 
> enemies and that he's about to implement mandatory public service camps for 
> young people where they will somehow be subject to "re-education" 
> brainwashing.
> 
> It's partly because of the right wing fringe wackos and crackpots like that 
> that the GOP has become so marginalized and impotent politically. 
> 
> The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily manipulated 
> discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. The American 
> people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering political nonsense 
> and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
>
> First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
> and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
> label was based on.
>
> Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
> thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
> sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
> WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
> the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?
>
> Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
> the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
> after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
> is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.
>
> Have Americans completely lost their minds?
>   
It's Alabaman's who have lost their minds not Americans.   Porn 
companies have watch that they don't sell anything to anyone in 
Alabama.  That state has some very uptight laws put their by brain dead 
"krischuns."   Probably a good place to avoid visiting though I have 
seen one horror movie that was shot there.  Er, maybe it was a 
documentary. ;-)

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body [1 Attachment]

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and
alkaline body
 
I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did
you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what
what was the question/answer ?
I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this.

Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would
not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ?
I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable
for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on
Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited
Fairfield.

Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation
with Maharishi ? 
Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which
I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a
hard floor.

If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with
Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger.
When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There
are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than
the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You indeed protesteth too much..
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It appears that it's the fringe secessionist 'Teabaggers" who are 
> > > > > > > doing the protesting "too much."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The 'South' will rise again?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their 
> > > > > > protesting.
> > > > > >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> > > > > >Hitler
> > > > > >Castro
> > > > > >Qaddafi
> > > > > >Stalin
> > > > > >Idi Amin
> > > > > >Mao Tse-tung
> > > > > >Pol Pot
> > > > > >Kim Jong-IL 
> > > > > >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> > > > > >With their combined governments, the number of people that have 
> > > > > > been exterminated must run into the billions.
> > > > > >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in 
> > > > > > the news.
> > > > > >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> > > > > >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who's trying to confiscate the Teabagger's guns? What are you talking 
> > > > > about?
> > > > > 
> > > > > As I understand it, the only thing that's happened recently is the 
> > > > > gun worshippers failed to pass legislation 'expanding' gun rights to 
> > > > > include carrying concealed weapons across state lines.
> > > > >
> > > >   Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership 
> > > > almost totally.
> > > >   A little research on the subject will turn up some very disturbing 
> > > > facts.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe wingnut conspiracy 
> > > loons. Obama has stated plainly that he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. 
> > > There is NO congressional support to do anything like you're suggesting 
> > > and neither are there any plans from the White House to propose any such 
> > > thing.
> > >
> >   Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of view haven't 
> > been following the issue very closely.
> >
> 
> 
> The natural thing for you to do is to specifically back up in a credible way 
> your claim that "almost total gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to 
> be implemented by the Obama administration. 
> 
> Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific 
> legislation to back up your claim. 
> 
> Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from wingnut 
> conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.
> 
> =  Your rhetoric sounds like the crackpot claims from nutbags like Glenn Beck 
> that Obama is setting up vast FEMA concentration camps for his political 
> enemies and that he's about to implement mandatory public service camps for 
> young people where they will somehow be subject to "re-education" 
> brainwashing.
> 
> It's partly because of the right wing fringe wackos and crackpots like that 
> that the GOP has become so marginalized and impotent politically. 
> 
> The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily manipulated 
> discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. The American 
> people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering political nonsense 
> and the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.
>

  Mr. Holder for one filed an amicus brief in the DC gun ban case in favor of 
total hand gun ban and ban on the use of any firearm for self defense in the 
home.
  Self defense is not legal?  what a concept.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> Challenge : You must drive across Alabama without getting shot...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HPZpYKCpwY
> 
> They nearly didn't make it.
> 


This clip was also from the South and doesn't have such a positive ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMc-T6z0YyM




> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
> > 
> > First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
> > and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
> > label was based on.
> > 
> > Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
> > thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
> > sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
> > WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
> > the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?
> > 
> > Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
> > the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
> > after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
> > is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.
> > 
> > Have Americans completely lost their minds?
> > 
> > Winery's Nude Nymph Causes State Ban
> > Winery says they will not be changing its label
> > 
> >   [storyImage1]
> > For some wine lovers a nude nymph is artistic expression while for
> > others it is offensive trash.
> > 
> > A wine label showing a nude nymph is too much for Alabama
> >  's liquor control
> > agency, which has told restaurants and stores not to sell the product.
> > 
> > The label on Cycles Gladiator wine, produced by Hahn Family Wines in
> > Soledad  , Calif.,
> > shows a vintage 1895 advertising poster for Cycles Gladiator bicycles.
> > The French poster features a nude nymph flying beside a winged bicycle.
> > 
> > Bob Martin  ,
> > staff attorney for the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
> >  > ntrol+Board> , said the board's license bureau rejected the label last
> > year as inappropriate for sale in the state. Early this month, a citizen
> > sent a bottle of the wine to the board's enforcement bureau to show it
> > was being sold in stores, he said.
> > 
> > The board then sent a letter to stores and restaurants reminding them
> > that sale of the product is prohibited, he said Friday.
> > 
> > Alabama's liquor regulations prohibit labels with "a person posed in an
> > immoral or sensuous manner," Martin said.
> > 
> > Hahn President Bill Leigon said Friday the company had been selling its
> > product in Alabama since 2006 until it ran into problems with the label.
> > "It is not pornographic," he said.
> > 
> > There have been no problems in the other 49 states where it is sold, he
> > said.
> > 
> > He said the wine had remained available in Alabama after the label was
> > rejected last year because he was unaware of the rejection. He said that
> > when the ABC Board 
> > 's letter went out, all the wine was picked up from stores and
> > restaurants.
> > 
> > The problem with the label were first reported Friday by the Mobile
> > Press-Register.
> > 
> > Leigon could change the label and resume sales in Alabama, but he said
> > he won't.
> > 
> > "It is a gorgeous piece of work," he said.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Patrick Gillam]

New York Times columnist David Brooks 
has cited research finding conservatives 
are more alert to potential threats. 
I would imagine that alertness to threat 
translates to fear in some individuals.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> 
> The scientific study I would like to see done
> is to do a correlation of gun ownership with
> fear.
> 
> Very simple study. Take large segments of the
> population. Ask them whether they own guns and
> if so how many. Then give those same people
> standardized psychological tests that pinpoint
> a "fear index" -- how much fear they live with
> on a daily basis.
> 
> My bet -- based on the gun owners I've known --
> is that there would be a one-to-one correlation.
> That is, "Own a gun, live in fear." 
> 
> ( In reality, of course, it "works" the other
> way around -- "Live in fear, feel the need to
> own a gun." )
> 
> The one statistic I'm pretty sure would show up
> in the study, however, is at the "high end" of
> gun ownership. Anyone who owns more than three
> guns would score off the charts on the fear 
> index, nigh unto certifiable paranoia.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[Paul Mason]

Yes TurquoiseB, I would have to say A-um to that, for that is what happened. It 
was quite a mystery. I mean, it was Maharishi's whole thing that TM did not 
need any adjuncts, nothing extra to gain the benefits of any other system of 
practice or philosophy. Then it was a whole turnabout and it was time to sign 
up for walking through walls, materialising fruit and lift off. And most 
importantly, virtually the whole of the TM philosophy did a somersault.
So, necessarilly, those who indulge in Maharishi-speak find themselves not only 
frog-hopping on their butts but doing wierd contortions in their minds in order 
to defend his thinking. Not necessary when dealing with his original teachings, 
only necessary in order to deal with the 'other' Maharishi teaching.
Mind you I think his original philosophy was a bit far-fetched too, in that 
meditation is an end in itself, clarity of consciousness, it does not need to 
prove itself of benefit elsewhere. And it anything but proved that it does 
benefit anyone else but the practitioner, that it pure speculation. Personally, 
I find meditation cleans the windscreen of the mind, but beyond that, in 
practical terms I would not make any further claims for it.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Recent talk of "needing a guru" here has reminded me 
> of a phenomenon that many TB TMers are either unaware
> of (because they started TM so much later than others
> here and thus missed the earlier teachings) or they
> have blotted out the earlier teachings from their minds 
> (because they don't want to deal with the fact that
> Maharishi completely reversed himself). 
> 
> I call this phenomenon the "Maharishi Flip-Flop." It's
> where Maharishi started his "career" as a spiritual
> teacher teaching one thing -- emphatically -- and then
> LATER "flip-flopped" and began teaching or doing 
> *exactly the opposite* of what he had said/taught before.
> 
> The most famous example of this, of course, is the siddhis.
> In courses throughout the late 60s, Maharishi was clear
> to the point of being emphatic that they were dangerous
> and should *not* be pursued by spiritual seekers. The whole
> "capture the fort" analogy was *invented* as a reply to
> students who asked about the siddhis and how to achieve
> them. MMY's teaching *at that time* was that it was safer
> to "capture the fort," and allow such siddhis to blossom
> on their own, if they did. He definitely *discouraged* 
> people from ever trying to achieve the siddhis. 
> 
> Of course, we all know how that turned out. And a number
> of us here probably now feel that his earlier teaching
> -- before the flip-flop -- was more correct.
> 
> But for me, the "Maharishi Flip-Flop" teaching that has
> had the most debilitating effect on students, and has 
> thus incurred the most negative karma, is the flip-flop 
> he made on "gurus" and whether one should rely on them 
> when it comes to advice on how to live one's life.
> 
> I remember Maharishi clearly addressing this issue in
> response to a question from the audience, the first time
> I ever saw him, in 1967. The person asked him for advice 
> on how to resolve a quandary or problem in his life. In 
> effect, the questioner was asking Maharishi to make the
> decision for him -- tell him what to do, give him the 
> "right" answer.
> 
> Maharishi categorically refused to do so, and explained why.
> He said, "If I tell you what to do...what decision to make
> ...what happens the *next* time you need to make a decision?
> You'll come running to me asking me to make it for you." 
> 
> He then went on to give a long talk on how the idea of 
> "gurus" telling their students what to do and how to live
> was a *mistake*, because "It makes the students weaker. 
> As they become dependent on the guru or teacher to make 
> decisions for them, they lose the ability to make decisions 
> themselves." At this point, as he always did, Maharishi 
> segued into a discussion of TM, and how theoretically it 
> would enable the student to become stronger and more able 
> to make his OWN decisions, and not need anyone to make 
> them for him.
> 
> Cut to only a few years later, and how Maharishi began to
> treat the meditators and TM teachers who had "signed on" to
> the TM movement. It was a complete and total flip-flop. He
> began to dictate what they should wear and not wear, what
> they should eat and not eat, what they should believe and
> not believe, and who they should hang around with and not
> hang around with. It is not unfair to say that on courses
> *every* aspect of a TM student's life was dictated to him;
> every minute of every day was *literally* "being told what
> to do," by the guru. And soon this "being told what to do" 
> began to creep over into the lives of the TM teachers when 
> they were *not* on courses as well.
> 
> And I think that most here have seen the debilitating 
> effects of coming to rely on Maharishi to tell them what
> to do. T

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> 
> > > > Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting
> > > > gun ownership almost totally. A little research on
> > > > the subject will turn up some very disturbing facts.
> > > 
> > > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe
> > > wingnut conspiracy loons. Obama has stated plainly that
> > > he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. There is NO
> > > congressional support to do anything like you're
> > > suggesting and neither are there any plans from the
> > > White House to propose any such thing.
> > >
> > Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of
> > view haven't been following the issue very closely.
> 
> Nelson, when you refer to "the crew in DC," are you
> thinking of the federal government (the administration
> and Congress), or the local government *of DC*?
> 
> There may be some confusion on this point because DC
> itself does not have the same degree of control over
> its affairs as the states. It does have local
> government, but Congress has the power to overrule
> what the local government does, because DC is not a
> state but a federal district.
> 
> The local DC government is very much in favor of
> handgun control in the city because of the high
> degree of violent crime associated with guns in
> the city. It had a strong ban on handguns, but the
> ban was challenged in court, and the Supreme Court
> ruled last year that the ban was unconstitutional.
> Congresscritters held forth at the time on both
> sides of the issue; there were proposals to override
> the ban with legislation, but ultimately Congress
> took no action. Obama flip-flopped on whether the 
> ban was constitutional.
> 
> Anyway, I'm wondering whether you have "DC" the
> city confused with "DC" the federal gummint. There
> are no moves to impose gun control on a federal
> level currently; it's simply not politically
> feasible.
>
  I was thinking of the federal level- where many advocate a total ban.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You indeed protesteth too much..
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It appears that it's the fringe secessionist 'Teabaggers" who are 
> > > > > > doing the protesting "too much."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The 'South' will rise again?
> > > > > >
> > > > >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their 
> > > > > protesting.
> > > > >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> > > > >Hitler
> > > > >Castro
> > > > >Qaddafi
> > > > >Stalin
> > > > >Idi Amin
> > > > >Mao Tse-tung
> > > > >Pol Pot
> > > > >Kim Jong-IL 
> > > > >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> > > > >With their combined governments, the number of people that have 
> > > > > been exterminated must run into the billions.
> > > > >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in the 
> > > > > news.
> > > > >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> > > > >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Who's trying to confiscate the Teabagger's guns? What are you talking 
> > > > about?
> > > > 
> > > > As I understand it, the only thing that's happened recently is the gun 
> > > > worshippers failed to pass legislation 'expanding' gun rights to 
> > > > include carrying concealed weapons across state lines.
> > > >
> > >   Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership almost 
> > > totally.
> > >   A little research on the subject will turn up some very disturbing 
> > > facts.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe wingnut conspiracy 
> > loons. Obama has stated plainly that he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. 
> > There is NO congressional support to do anything like you're suggesting and 
> > neither are there any plans from the White House to propose any such thing.
> >
>   Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of view haven't been 
> following the issue very closely.
>


The natural thing for you to do is to specifically back up in a credible way 
your claim that "almost total gun restriction" is somehow ACTUALLY going to be 
implemented by the Obama administration. 

Please show specific documents, official proposals and/or specific legislation 
to back up your claim. 

Also, present only verifiable objective evidence. Mere assertion from wingnut 
conspiracy propagandists is NOT credible evidence.

=  Your rhetoric sounds like the crackpot claims from nutbags like Glenn Beck 
that Obama is setting up vast FEMA concentration camps for his political 
enemies and that he's about to implement mandatory public service camps for 
young people where they will somehow be subject to "re-education" brainwashing.

It's partly because of the right wing fringe wackos and crackpots like that 
that the GOP has become so marginalized and impotent politically. 

The only people who buy into that crap are the uneducated, easily manipulated 
discontents of society that the right wing media panders to. The American 
people as a whole, reject such irrational fear-mongering political nonsense and 
the primitive, hostile mob mentality it generates.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> From an audio recording (No 2) made in Hochgurgelin in 1962 - (Thanks to
> Jörg Schenk)
>  
> Question: I have the feeling that the state of restful alertness (during TM)
> is concentrated in the forehead...
>  
> Maharishi: Some day in the first week of the course, I think I have said,
> that the whole brain matter becomes illuminant. Illuminant means nothing
> remains inactive and nothing remains active. 
> A state of all the experiencing nerves between talamus and cortex, they are
> neither active nor passive. Just ready to be either active or passive. In
> that state of pure consciousness, in that glow...
>  
> Question: Can this state of suspension be prolonged indefinite and if so,
> what is the effect on the brain cells?
>  
> Maharishi: Yes, it can be prolonged indefinite. If it is held for very long
> time, the body will become alkaline. Because, not to decay is the quality of
> alkaline body. And as long as the individual mind gets to that universal
> consciousness, the body has to be intact.. In order that it remains intact,
> it becomes alkaline. 
>  
> If the body is acidic, more of acid in the system, then the oxygen going in
> becomes carbondioxide. If the body is acidic, more carbondioxide is
> produced. To throw it out, the exhalations become deeper, heavier. When the
> exhalations become heavier, inhalations become correspondingly heavier also.
> So the breath flows heavy when the system is acidic. 
>  
> Opposite to this, when the acidity becomes less then the breath becomes
> slow. That is why during meditation the breath becomes slow, the body
> becomes less acidic, more alkaline. 
>  
> This is the reason why the body lasts longer for those who meditate, long
> life. With meditation the blood chemistry changes, becomes less acidic, more
> alkaline...
>  
> ...taking into consideration the slowing of the breath during meditation we
> conclude without even experimenting and without even testing that the
> system becomes less acidic...


Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! 

I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you 
ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what 
was the question/answer ?

Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would 
not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ?

Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with 
Maharishi ? 

If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with 
Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. 

Just like paul.m.

[FairfieldLife] Benjamin Creme talks about the 'star' and Maitreya, July 31

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JihYJhfAs4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7M1TncdvMw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlH9zLzot4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZWCv4ompDc&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:

> > > Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting
> > > gun ownership almost totally. A little research on
> > > the subject will turn up some very disturbing facts.
> > 
> > Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe
> > wingnut conspiracy loons. Obama has stated plainly that
> > he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. There is NO
> > congressional support to do anything like you're
> > suggesting and neither are there any plans from the
> > White House to propose any such thing.
> >
> Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of
> view haven't been following the issue very closely.

Nelson, when you refer to "the crew in DC," are you
thinking of the federal government (the administration
and Congress), or the local government *of DC*?

There may be some confusion on this point because DC
itself does not have the same degree of control over
its affairs as the states. It does have local
government, but Congress has the power to overrule
what the local government does, because DC is not a
state but a federal district.

The local DC government is very much in favor of
handgun control in the city because of the high
degree of violent crime associated with guns in
the city. It had a strong ban on handguns, but the
ban was challenged in court, and the Supreme Court
ruled last year that the ban was unconstitutional.
Congresscritters held forth at the time on both
sides of the issue; there were proposals to override
the ban with legislation, but ultimately Congress
took no action. Obama flip-flopped on whether the 
ban was constitutional.

Anyway, I'm wondering whether you have "DC" the
city confused with "DC" the federal gummint. There
are no moves to impose gun control on a federal
level currently; it's simply not politically
feasible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > The scientific study I would like to see done
> > is to do a correlation of gun ownership with
> > fear.
> > 
> > Very simple study. Take large segments of the
> > population. Ask them whether they own guns and
> > if so how many. Then give those same people
> > standardized psychological tests that pinpoint
> > a "fear index" -- how much fear they live with
> > on a daily basis.
> > 
> > My bet -- based on the gun owners I've known --
> > is that there would be a one-to-one correlation.
> > That is, "Own a gun, live in fear." 
> > 
> > ( In reality, of course, it "works" the other
> > way around -- "Live in fear, feel the need to
> > own a gun." )
> > 
> > The one statistic I'm pretty sure would show up
> > in the study, however, is at the "high end" of
> > gun ownership. Anyone who owns more than three
> > guns would score off the charts on the fear 
> > index, nigh unto certifiable paranoia.
> 
>   Many sided issue-
>   Need to keep the coyotes from eating the sheep,
>   Collectors prize the detailed artwork,
>   target shooters enjoy competition events,
>   I wouldn't think the people in most of the owner 
>   categories would have to be motivated by fear.

"Have to be?" Absolutely not. But -- as verified
by standardized psychological tests designed to
detect levels of fear in the subjects -- "tends
to be" would be more than enough to make my point,
if such a test were conducted. My bet -- having 
been both a gun owner and a gun-owner-tormentor 
-- is that anyone who owns more than three *non-
collector guns* is a fuckin' wacko.

I say this while counting a number of fucking wackos
among my close personal friends.  :-)

Many of them -- especially some I met in Santa Fe --
are very, very nice people. One of the nicest is a
guy who literally graduated with a degree in theology
from a recognized-for-its-scholarship-not-its-nutbaggery
Christian university, writes and sings folks songs, has
a lovely wife and daughter, and who owns (last I saw him)
74 guns. At any given point he only has a fraction of 
them at home. The rest are buried, wrapped in oilcloth
and protective wrappings) at secret places in the desert
around his home. 

I've known this guy for years, and love him dearly. Over
the years we have *both* learned to (unless we think we
can have fun with the argument) deftly avoid philosophical
and gun-related topics in our conversations. The dude is
sweet as all get-out...talk to him about Jeezus and you'd
think from the things he was saying that he was there with
the Dude in Bethlehem, and still jizzed up from the exper-
ience. He talks a *great* Christian talk.

But then get him onto the subject of another Christian 
(and yes, I specified that the character in the following
scenario was not only a Christian, but a member of his
Church) breaking into his house and stealing something
(the item specified was his guitar) and my friend catch-
ing him in his front yard, trying to get away, and you
get a very, very different version of Christ.

My friend said that what he would do in such a situation
was shoot the fellow Christian Church member in the stom-
ach to incapacitate him, then drag him back inside the
house and shoot him several more times there, to make it
look as if all of the shooting took place inside the house.

He saw *absolutely nothing wrong with this behavior*. He
considered it not only Christian, but pragmatic and in line
with the principles espoused by the Constitution of the
United States of America.

I knew a few people in Santa Fe who were into "collector
guns." They'd have an original Winchester lever action 
rifle or an original Colt six-shooter in the house. But
these guns would be displayed above the mantle, and the 
owners never felt a bit "safer" because they were in the 
house. They were investments, nothing more. These people,
even though they may have owned dozens of guns, would 
probably score way low on a standardized psychological 
test designed to measure levels of fear. 

The Christian with 74 guns, 2/3 of which he keeps buried
in the desert at all times to keep them from being confis-
cated by "the Feds?" This person, as much as I love him, 
would score in the highest possible percentiles on a 
standardized psychological test designed to measure 
levels of fear.

So, in a sense, I *agree* with you about guns and gun 
ownership being a "many sided issue." I just don't think
that there are as many "sides" as you do.

I'm sorry, but the guy who lives in the suburbs and has
17 guns and who tries to convince me that he needs them
"to keep the coyotes from eating the sheep" is LYING.

I'm sorry, but the guy who has four Pakistani AK-47s in
the house, all of which have been carefully converted 
to full auto, and who says that he is keeping them around
because of the "detailed artwork," and how that increases 
their "collector value" is LYING.

I'm sorry,

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Slavery (was Re: Space/Time Foam)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Why I brought it up is that I have been noticing
> lately the number of people like John (jr_esq)
> who have been brainwashed to believe certain 
> things for so long that they no longer seem to
> know they *are* brainwashed.

Note that according to Barry's Rules, the definition
of "brainwashed" is: "Anybody who believes something
other than what Barry believes." This applies, of
course, especially to TMers. In Barry's World, it's
not possible for anybody who thinks for themselves
to hold beliefs he doesn't share. Barry thinking is
*the* standard for thinking for oneself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>

> Back in 1967, before the "hippie" revolution had
> made it to the mainstream media, I returned home
> from college to my parent's house in Georgia 
> sporting hair that hung almost to my waist. The
> reaction *at that time* was interesting. It was
> more quizzical than negative. I was viewed as 
> more curious than anything else. Yeah, I heard a 
> few "Are you a girl or a boy?" comments, but on 
> the whole nothing terribly threatening or violent
> ever went down.
> 
> Cut to only one year later, after Life magazine
> and others had done their best to make the "hippie"
> thing an everyday term for all Americans and link 
> it in the minds of conservative Americans to "anti-
> Americanism." I still had the same long hair, but 
> the reactions were completely different. Beer 
> bottles were thrown at my car as I was driving, 
> guys yelled stuff at me and demanded that I pull 
> over so they could beat the crap out of me (I didn't, 
> even though at the time I had been winning karate 
> contests for several years, and most likely could 
> have beaten the crap out of them). 
> 
> Bottom line from my perspective, having spent too
> many years of my life living in the South, is that
> Southerners AREN'T VERY SMART.

Actually, of course, long hair in the late '60s
and early '70s was *widely* seen as threatening,
not just in the South. There was a famous incident
in New York City in which a group of hardhats
waded into a peace demonstration (on Wall Street,
no less) and beat up the protesters:

http://chnm.gmu.edu/hardhats/bloody.html

And then there were the police riots in Chicago
during the 1969 Democratic convention.

People "weren't very smart" (i.e., held views
different from Barry's) all over the country
during that period. Both sides of the cultural/
social/political divide felt threatened by the
other.

 Whether its the 
> product of genetics (Georgia is, after all, a former
> prison colony, and most of the people who founded
> its gene pool were murderers, thieves, and rapists
> exported from Britain)

Actually, of course, the idea of a U.S. state 
having a "gene pool" doesn't make much sense.
Americans are too mobile, especially in the
urban centers. You could make a case for a "gene
pool" in some of the mountain and backwoods rural
areas, perhaps, but that probably isn't where
Barry's father was based.


> These British guys had no idea of the mindset they 
> were fucking with when chose to perform this little 
> stunt.

Also, it's not true that Georgia was originally a
penal colony; this is a persistent myth. The 
Brits *did* send some of their convicts to the
colonies before the Revolution, but not just to
Georgia, and on an ad hoc basis.

The Brits *considered* sending some of the
population of their debtors' prisons (i.e., not
"murderers, thieves, and rapists" but otherwise
respectable poor people) to found settlements in
Georgia, hoping they would be able to make a better
life there. But this plan was never carried out.

Bottom line: The notion that Barry ran into trouble
in Georgia with his long hair in the late '60s
because the state's population is descended from
criminals is nonsense, on several different counts.

(Caveat: None of the above is to disagree with the
premise that the South seems increasingly isolated
culturally and politically from the rest of the
country. I'm just pointing out instances of Barry's
typical sloppiness with facts. One might also note
his elitist attitude toward Southerners, this from
the person who claims to despise elitism.)

Finally, because Alabama's liquor control agency
has banned the sale of a wine with a label
featuring an illustration of a nude, Barry exclaims
rhetorically:

> > > Have Americans completely lost their minds?

But apparently he overlooked this statement from
the article:

> > > There have been no problems in the other 49 states
> > > where it is sold

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Slavery (was Re: Space/Time Foam)

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> > > 
> > > Some of us prefer to live our own lives,
> > the way we choose to live them. 
> > 
> > I wish you well with living yours the way
> > other people tell you to live it.
> > 
> > "I'm the one who's gotta die when it's time for me to die. 
> > So let me live my life the way I want to." 
> > - Jimi Hendrix - Axis, Bold as Love
> 
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> Why I brought it up is that I have been noticing
> lately the number of people like John (jr_esq)
> who have been brainwashed to believe certain 
> things for so long that they no longer seem to
> know they *are* brainwashed.
> 
> For example, "Needing a guru." There seems to be 
> no question that John accepts this as a "given" 
> about life. He speaks often on this forum about
> how he feels everyone should live their life 
> according to the things said in the "vedic 
> literature," and according to people like 
> Maharishi who claim to "represent" this "vedic 
> literature."
> 
> What he never seems to realize is that he is 
> describing a life of slavery. 
> 
> He is describing as "ideal" a life in which 
> people have been as convinced as he seems to 
> be that they should "obey" the writings of a 
> bunch of people who lived thousands of years 
> ago, as if they were "authorities" or "gurus." 
> He is describing as "ideal" a life in which 
> one assumes that one's "guru" is by definition 
> "correct" or "true" and thus does exactly what 
> that "guru" tells them to do. He is describing
> a life in which he assumes that he does NOT
> know enough to live on his own, and that he
> NEEDS someone else to tell him what to think
> and what to believe and what to do and not do.
> 
> He is describing himself as a slave.
> 
> I am sure that John has convinced himself that 
> doing this is a kind of "freedom" -- "freedom 
> from the ego." He LIKES being told what to do 
> and what to believe; it takes all the pressure 
> off of him and eliminates the need to do any 
> thinking of his own. 
> 
> It's like the credo of the "guru followers" is, 
> "Why think for yourself when someone has already 
> done all the hard thinking for us? Just do what 
> they say and we will be OK."
> 
> If that lifestyle and belief system makes him 
> and people like him happy, so be it. Me, I'm 
> never going to buy into the lifestyle of 
> spiritual slavery ever again.
>
 Thinking isn't for everyone- causes fear.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Post Count & Meditator Status

[dhamiltony2k5]

`yes'= Meditator 
posting status.




Posters: 99


 > > > > `Yes' = meditators


> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status:
> > > >
> > > > 50 authfriend 
> > > > `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB 
> > > > `Yes' 45 Vaj 
> > > > `Yes' 44 nablusoss1008 
> > > > 32 "grate.swan" 
> > > > `Yes'  31 Bhairitu 
> > > > 29 sparaig 
> > > > 27 ruthsimplicity 
> > > > 27 "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > `yes' 24  Robert 
> > > > 22 off_world_beings 
> > > > `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 
> > > > 21 enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > `Yes' 20 Rick Archer 
> > > > `Yes' 20 Duveyoung 
> > > > 18 "do.rflex" 
> > > > 17 bob_brigante 
> > > > 16 Sal Sunshine 
> > > > `Yes' 15 "BillyG." 
> > > > 13 Richard M 
> > > > `Yes' 12 shempmcgurk 
> > > >'Yes' 10 satvadude108 
> > > > `Yes' 10 raunchydog 
> > > > 10 lurkernomore20002000 
> > > > 9 cardemaister 
> > > > 8 WLeed3@
> > > > 8 Nelson 
> > > > 7 geezerfreak 
> > > > 3 drpetersutphen 
> > > > 3 William108 
> > > > 3 Dick Richardson 
> > > > `Yes' 3 Dick Mays 
> > > > `Yes' 3 Alex Stanley 
> > > > 2 sgrayatlarge 
> > > > 2 scienceofabundance 
> > > > 2 beno beno 
> > > > 2 Tom 
> > > > 2 Marek Reavis 
> > > > 2 Hugo 
> > > > 1 uns_tressor 
> > > > 1 tkrystofiak 
> > > > 1 pranamoocher 
> > > > 1 nelson lafrancis 
> > > > 1 metoostill 
> > > > 1 Peter 
> > > > 1 Paul Mason 
> > > > 1 Patrick Gillam 
> > > > 1 Mike Doughney 
> > > > 1 Mike Dixon 
> > > > 1 Joe Smith 
> > > > 1 Barbara Thomas 
> > > > 1 "min.pige" 
> > > > 1 wayback71 
> > > > 1 jyouells2000  
> > > >
> > > > 1 shukra69 
> > > > 1 sanosh2002 
> > > > `Yes'  1 Zoran Krneta 
> > > > 1 John 
> > > >  `Yes'  1 enpai 
>  2 Jason 
>  2 tomwalsh23 
>  2 It's just a ride 
>  3 kaladevi93 
>  2 Stu 
>  6 Ben 
>   1 kuldip jhala  
>  1 ve...@...
>  1 ultrarishi 
>  1 sanosh2002 
>  1 horashastra 
>  1 feste37 
>  1 emptybill 
>  1 wle...@...
> "yes'  1 Dick Mays 
>  1 Devanath Saraswati 
>  1 uns_tressor 
>  1 jimjim5886 
>  1 Darrylle 
>  1 Thomas Walsh 
>  1 ffl...@...
>  `yes'  1 bhawani_shank2000 
>  1 jim_falkenstern 
>  `yes'=meditator  1 at_man_and_brahman 
>  1 curtisdeltablues 
>  4 It's just a ride 
>  4 I am the eternal 
>  1 gullible fool 
>  1 vedamer...@...
>  3 metoostill 
>  1 alex52556 
>  1 Randy Meltzer 
>  1 claudiouk 

>  Posters: 99


Don't meditate?  At all?

Not close.  Sorry.

 Turq's list of  FFL's  TMer writers.  

> list of people who (to the best of my knowledge)
> have both: 1) identified themselves as regular 
> practitioners of the TM technique and *only* the 
> TM technique for many years, and 2) have consist-
> ently supported the claims made *about* TM and 
> its supposed benefits by Maharishi and the TM
> organization and encouraged others to practice 
> it. That list consisted of:
>
> shukra69
> authfriend (Judy Stein)
> off_world_beings
> nablusoss1008
> WillyTex (Richard Williams)
> bill_hicks_ride (It's just a ride)
> babajii_99 (Robert)
> shempmcgurk
> bob_brigante
> wgm4u (BillyG)
> jr_esq (John)
> Raunchydog
><
> of what long-term practice of the TM technique
> produces, and as a measure with which to judge
> whether it "delivers" on its claimed benefits.
>
> My apologies for leaving her off the list earlier,
> but I wasn't sure that she had claimed in the past
> to have been a regular practitioner of TM for many
> years. Now that she has complained about being left
> off the list and proudly wants to be, I oblige.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/223166
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/223166





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their 
> > protesting.
> >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> >Hitler
> >Castro
> >Qaddafi
> >Stalin
> >Idi Amin
> >Mao Tse-tung
> >Pol Pot
> >Kim Jong-IL 
> >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> >With their combined governments, the number of people that have 
> > been exterminated must run into the billions.
> >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in 
> > the news.
> >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> 
> 
> The scientific study I would like to see done
> is to do a correlation of gun ownership with
> fear.
> 
> Very simple study. Take large segments of the
> population. Ask them whether they own guns and
> if so how many. Then give those same people
> standardized psychological tests that pinpoint
> a "fear index" -- how much fear they live with
> on a daily basis.
> 
> My bet -- based on the gun owners I've known --
> is that there would be a one-to-one correlation.
> That is, "Own a gun, live in fear." 
> 
> ( In reality, of course, it "works" the other
> way around -- "Live in fear, feel the need to
> own a gun." )
> 
> The one statistic I'm pretty sure would show up
> in the study, however, is at the "high end" of
> gun ownership. Anyone who owns more than three
> guns would score off the charts on the fear 
> index, nigh unto certifiable paranoia.
>
  Many sided issue-
  Need to keep the coyotes from eating the sheep,
  Collectors prize the detailed artwork,
  target shooters enjoy competition events,
  I wouldn't think the people in most of the owner categories would have to be 
motivated by fear.
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:35 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
> >  
> > Some of us prefer to live our own lives,
> > the way we choose to live them. 
> > 
> > I wish you well with living yours the way
> > other people tell you to live it.
> > "I'm the one who's gotta die when it's time for me to die. So let me live my
> > life the way I want to." - Jimi Hendrix - Axis, Bold as Love
> >
> 
> Om yeah, unalienable Freedom an liberty 
> `til you hurt somebody else.
> 
> And those non-meditators!
> The science is pretty evident
> we really got to look out for them
> for every one's life, liberty and pursuit
> of happiness.  Theirs included.
> We simply and directly got to do something about non-meditators
> & that non-meditation in the world.  
> 
> In the long progression
> of humankind, this comes the noble
> cause that has come to hand in these times.
> Science says.
> 
> JGD.
> Bring it to pass,
> 
> -D in FF
>
  Maybe the non meditating people have their own system that is not official 
and will be ok anyway?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wingnuts take a stand !

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You indeed protesteth too much..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   [http://www.bartcop.com/birthers-aint-stupid.jpg]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It appears that it's the fringe secessionist 'Teabaggers" who are 
> > > > > doing the protesting "too much."
> > > > > 
> > > > > The 'South' will rise again?
> > > > >
> > > >The tea bag fringe might be on to something tho in their protesting.
> > > >Herein, some famous people who favored gun control.
> > > >Hitler
> > > >Castro
> > > >Qaddafi
> > > >Stalin
> > > >Idi Amin
> > > >Mao Tse-tung
> > > >Pol Pot
> > > >Kim Jong-IL 
> > > >And, probably a few more you could think of.
> > > >With their combined governments, the number of people that have been 
> > > > exterminated must run into the billions.
> > > >As we talk, it is still happening although not well covered in the 
> > > > news.
> > > >Some few people here see that as a problem and are speaking up.
> > > >I would favor the Swiss outlook on the subject.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Who's trying to confiscate the Teabagger's guns? What are you talking 
> > > about?
> > > 
> > > As I understand it, the only thing that's happened recently is the gun 
> > > worshippers failed to pass legislation 'expanding' gun rights to include 
> > > carrying concealed weapons across state lines.
> > >
> >   Most of the crew in DC is in favor of restricting gun ownership almost 
> > totally.
> >   A little research on the subject will turn up some very disturbing facts.
> >
> 
> 
> Only if you get your 'facts' from the crackpot fringe wingnut conspiracy 
> loons. Obama has stated plainly that he fully supports the 2nd Amendment. 
> There is NO congressional support to do anything like you're suggesting and 
> neither are there any plans from the White House to propose any such thing.
>
  Amazing observation- evidently people with this point of view haven't been 
following the issue very closely.

[FairfieldLife] Directory of Spiritual Practice Groups in FF

[dhamiltony2k5]

Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield



Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups

Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, "What is going on in
Fairfield?"
The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are
wondering
about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts,
ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado,
Ashville,
North Carolina and the like. Within these past three decades,
Fairfield
spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a
rich, new
face.
The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center
for
spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in
Fairfield is
now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century.

___Alphabetical:


A Course in Miracles, Mondays 7:30 pm. Local contact: 472-7148.


The Afternoon Satsang, at Revelations Coffee Shop. North room
2:30pm most days. Spiritual experience and understanding.


Ammachi Fairfield Satsang
Ammachi Fairfield weekly schedule of meditation, 
chanting, and bhajans.   http://amma-fairfield.org/
 contact: 472-8563 or 472-9336


Art of Living Foundation -Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Meditation and program
schedule in Fairfield. 472-9892  http://us.artofliving.org/index.html


Babaji Group: Local contact: 472-9952

Bapuji Group Shri Avadoot, better known as ³Bapuji². Local contact:
472-9260

Chalanda Sai Maa Satang in Fairfield
Group meditations based on the teachings of Chalanda Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi.
First and third Monday of the month at 7:30 PM. Call for location & information:
 641-919-5223 or email directly at: fairfieldsai...@humanityinunity.org
http://www.humanityinunity.org



Circle of Sophia
 a holy order for women at St. Gabriel and All
Angels, the Liberal Catholic Church. 
Original worship celebration, written from sources
in ancient Christianity, enlivens the Feminine Divine for both men
and women. Celebrations monthly. 300 E. Burlington. www.stgabe.org
 
Contact 472-1645

 Deeksha Darshan and teachings of Bhagavan Kalki & Padmavati Amma
Fairfield contact for local program: 472-6948

Divine Mother Church in Fairfield
`We don¹t talk about God, we commune with God'. 
Interfaith Service: Sundays 11 AM; 
51 North Court, East Entrance
Contact 641.209.9900


Eckankar 
Local meetings, lectures and meditation
Bringing speakers from the regional and national movement
http://www.eckankar.org


Fairfield Vedic Pujas, Yagyas and Ceremonies
Scheduled public events always open to interested persons. By Vedic
Scholar and Priest, Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma: 630-240-3368
http://yagya108.org/default.aspx


Fellowship of the Holy Spirit in Fairfield
`Consciousness, Joy, and Devotion: Christianity that works.'
Sundays, 11 AM,
51 North Court. 472-8737. 

Gangaji Group Local contact: 472-9476.

Golden Shield Qi Gong Fairfield practice: 641-919-3913.
Golden Shield Qi Gong  www.jingui.com  641-472-5998



Hatha Yoga classes. Sue Berkey: 472-6577

Henry Hertzberger Chanting, Pujas & Yagyas. Mahaganapati Temple
Schedule:

Fairfield Shri Karunamayi Satsang
Fairfield Group Meditation and Program. 472-8422
http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2008Fairfield.shtml


Liberal Catholic Church in Fairfield
St Gabriel and all Angels, 300 E. Burlington.
Contact, 472-1625www.stgabe.org



Manavata Mandir Vedic Temple
800 W. Burlington in Fairfield. 469-6041.

Master Spiritual Healer John Douglas
Biannual visits to Fairfield
Workshops, meetings, meditation.
http://www.spirit-repair.com/


Mother Meera: 641.472.5149
http://www.mothermeera-fairfield.com/default.jsp

 Quaker Meeting Fairfield Society of Friends (Conservative Un-programmed)
silent meeting for worship. 472-8422.


St. Germain Meditation. Two active groups meeting for meditation weekly
 http://www.reiki-seichem.com/germain.html
http://saintgermainfoundation.com/



Saniel Bonder, `Waking Down' in Fairfield. Sittings calendar: call
472-2001.  http://wakingdowninfairfield.com/



Scalar Group Meditation Programs
facilitated by Lilli Botchis. 
A unique opportunity as a group to
research in mind/body consciousness the universal themes of pure energy and
manifestation potential of HHFe Scalar wave regeneration system.
Programs designed to clear, balance and open the chakra system. 
Contact, 472-0129.   http://earthspectrum.com/
http://www.timeportalpubs.com/index.htm



Shivabalayogi Group 
All are welcome. There is never any charge for
Swamiji's blessings. For further information, contact: 641-233-1025.

Svaroopa Yoga (641) 472-7499.

Tetra Building Meditation Room. 
Daily morning and afternoon meditation 
facility for the practice of the TM-Sidhi meditation.
A quiet, clean and convenient and unaffiliated place, `to do program'. 
Contact David Hawthorne for use and membership information: 472-3799.

Transcendental Meditation Programs: 
TMmovement: 472-1174

Transformational Prayer in Fairfield
For information on Fairfield activities, call 472-0662.


Wednesday Night Satsang - Every Wednesday s

[FairfieldLife] Re: 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
>
> Challenge : You must drive across Alabama without getting shot...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HPZpYKCpwY
> 
> They nearly didn't make it.

This is hilarious to me, because to some extent I
grew up in the American South and saw such stuff
around me every day.

Back in 1967, before the "hippie" revolution had
made it to the mainstream media, I returned home
from college to my parent's house in Georgia 
sporting hair that hung almost to my waist. The
reaction *at that time* was interesting. It was
more quizzical than negative. I was viewed as 
more curious than anything else. Yeah, I heard a 
few "Are you a girl or a boy?" comments, but on 
the whole nothing terribly threatening or violent
ever went down.

Cut to only one year later, after Life magazine
and others had done their best to make the "hippie"
thing an everyday term for all Americans and link 
it in the minds of conservative Americans to "anti-
Americanism." I still had the same long hair, but 
the reactions were completely different. Beer 
bottles were thrown at my car as I was driving, 
guys yelled stuff at me and demanded that I pull 
over so they could beat the crap out of me (I didn't, 
even though at the time I had been winning karate 
contests for several years, and most likely could 
have beaten the crap out of them). 

Bottom line from my perspective, having spent too
many years of my life living in the South, is that
Southerners AREN'T VERY SMART. Whether its the 
product of genetics (Georgia is, after all, a former
prison colony, and most of the people who founded
its gene pool were murderers, thieves, and rapists
exported from Britain) or inbreeding or whatever,
*on the whole* American Southerners seem to have a
self image based on the notion of "We're dumb, and
we're proud of it." They tend to believe what they
are told to believe. So if the things they watch on
television tell them to believe that "longhaired
hippies" threaten their way of life, they *believe*
it, and act out accordingly. These days, if someone
tells them that Barack Obama is gonna take all their
guns away and turn America into a commie nation, 
they'll believe that, too. 

These British guys had no idea of the mindset they 
were fucking with when chose to perform this little 
stunt. The woman in the gas station was trying to do 
them a favor and keep them from getting killed.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
> > 
> > First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
> > and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
> > label was based on.
> > 
> > Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
> > thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
> > sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
> > WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
> > the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?
> > 
> > Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
> > the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
> > after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
> > is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.
> > 
> > Have Americans completely lost their minds?
> > 
> > Winery's Nude Nymph Causes State Ban
> > Winery says they will not be changing its label
> > 
> >   [storyImage1]
> > For some wine lovers a nude nymph is artistic expression while for
> > others it is offensive trash.
> > 
> > A wine label showing a nude nymph is too much for Alabama
> >  's liquor control
> > agency, which has told restaurants and stores not to sell the product.
> > 
> > The label on Cycles Gladiator wine, produced by Hahn Family Wines in
> > Soledad  , Calif.,
> > shows a vintage 1895 advertising poster for Cycles Gladiator bicycles.
> > The French poster features a nude nymph flying beside a winged bicycle.
> > 
> > Bob Martin  ,
> > staff attorney for the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
> >  > ntrol+Board> , said the board's license bureau rejected the label last
> > year as inappropriate for sale in the state. Early this month, a citizen
> > sent a bottle of the wine to the board's enforcement bureau to show it
> > was being sold in stores, he said.
> > 
> > The board then sent a letter to stores and restaurants reminding them
> > that sale of the product is prohibited, he said Friday.
> > 
> > Alabama's liquor regulations prohibit labels with "a person posed in an
> > immoral or sensuous manner," Martin said.
> > 
> > Hahn President Bill Leigon said Friday the company had been selling its
> > product in Alabama since 2006 until it ran into problems with the label.
> > "It is not porno

[FairfieldLife] Which "Maharishi Flip-Flop Teaching" has the worst karma?

[TurquoiseB]

Recent talk of "needing a guru" here has reminded me 
of a phenomenon that many TB TMers are either unaware
of (because they started TM so much later than others
here and thus missed the earlier teachings) or they
have blotted out the earlier teachings from their minds 
(because they don't want to deal with the fact that
Maharishi completely reversed himself). 

I call this phenomenon the "Maharishi Flip-Flop." It's
where Maharishi started his "career" as a spiritual
teacher teaching one thing -- emphatically -- and then
LATER "flip-flopped" and began teaching or doing 
*exactly the opposite* of what he had said/taught before.

The most famous example of this, of course, is the siddhis.
In courses throughout the late 60s, Maharishi was clear
to the point of being emphatic that they were dangerous
and should *not* be pursued by spiritual seekers. The whole
"capture the fort" analogy was *invented* as a reply to
students who asked about the siddhis and how to achieve
them. MMY's teaching *at that time* was that it was safer
to "capture the fort," and allow such siddhis to blossom
on their own, if they did. He definitely *discouraged* 
people from ever trying to achieve the siddhis. 

Of course, we all know how that turned out. And a number
of us here probably now feel that his earlier teaching
-- before the flip-flop -- was more correct.

But for me, the "Maharishi Flip-Flop" teaching that has
had the most debilitating effect on students, and has 
thus incurred the most negative karma, is the flip-flop 
he made on "gurus" and whether one should rely on them 
when it comes to advice on how to live one's life.

I remember Maharishi clearly addressing this issue in
response to a question from the audience, the first time
I ever saw him, in 1967. The person asked him for advice 
on how to resolve a quandary or problem in his life. In 
effect, the questioner was asking Maharishi to make the
decision for him -- tell him what to do, give him the 
"right" answer.

Maharishi categorically refused to do so, and explained why.
He said, "If I tell you what to do...what decision to make
...what happens the *next* time you need to make a decision?
You'll come running to me asking me to make it for you." 

He then went on to give a long talk on how the idea of 
"gurus" telling their students what to do and how to live
was a *mistake*, because "It makes the students weaker. 
As they become dependent on the guru or teacher to make 
decisions for them, they lose the ability to make decisions 
themselves." At this point, as he always did, Maharishi 
segued into a discussion of TM, and how theoretically it 
would enable the student to become stronger and more able 
to make his OWN decisions, and not need anyone to make 
them for him.

Cut to only a few years later, and how Maharishi began to
treat the meditators and TM teachers who had "signed on" to
the TM movement. It was a complete and total flip-flop. He
began to dictate what they should wear and not wear, what
they should eat and not eat, what they should believe and
not believe, and who they should hang around with and not
hang around with. It is not unfair to say that on courses
*every* aspect of a TM student's life was dictated to him;
every minute of every day was *literally* "being told what
to do," by the guru. And soon this "being told what to do" 
began to creep over into the lives of the TM teachers when 
they were *not* on courses as well.

And I think that most here have seen the debilitating 
effects of coming to rely on Maharishi to tell them what
to do. Tens of thousands of TM teachers literally *lost
their ability* to think for themselves and make their own
decisions for many, many years. Some still have never
regained their ability to think for themselves and make
their own decisions, and to this day fall back on quoting 
scripture or quotes from Maharishi's old talks as the 
basis for all of their own decisions.

I suggest that this "flip-flop" had far more of a karmic
effect -- and a negative karmic effect -- than the flip-
flop about the siddhis. As with the siddhis, Maharishi 
was IMO more correct in his original teaching. And what 
supports that opinion is taking that early teaching -- 
that it will eventually make the students weaker, not
stronger -- and applying it to what most of us have 
actually seen happening to thousands of TM teachers.

TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO AND MAKING THEIR 
DECISIONS FOR THEM HAS MADE THEM WEAKER.
MANY ARE TO THIS DAY INCAPABLE OF MAKING
THEIR OWN DECISIONS, AND HAVE TO RELY ON
SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE THEM FOR THEM.

IMO Maharishi should have stuck with his original insights 
and his original teachings, both about the siddhis and 
about telling people what to do and making their decisions 
for them. Imagine how different the history of the TM 
movement might have been if he had.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[guyfawkes91]

Challenge : You must drive across Alabama without getting shot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HPZpYKCpwY

They nearly didn't make it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
> 
> First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
> and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
> label was based on.
> 
> Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
> thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
> sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
> WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
> the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?
> 
> Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
> the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
> after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
> is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.
> 
> Have Americans completely lost their minds?
> 
> Winery's Nude Nymph Causes State Ban
> Winery says they will not be changing its label
> 
>   [storyImage1]
> For some wine lovers a nude nymph is artistic expression while for
> others it is offensive trash.
> 
> A wine label showing a nude nymph is too much for Alabama
>  's liquor control
> agency, which has told restaurants and stores not to sell the product.
> 
> The label on Cycles Gladiator wine, produced by Hahn Family Wines in
> Soledad  , Calif.,
> shows a vintage 1895 advertising poster for Cycles Gladiator bicycles.
> The French poster features a nude nymph flying beside a winged bicycle.
> 
> Bob Martin  ,
> staff attorney for the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
>  ntrol+Board> , said the board's license bureau rejected the label last
> year as inappropriate for sale in the state. Early this month, a citizen
> sent a bottle of the wine to the board's enforcement bureau to show it
> was being sold in stores, he said.
> 
> The board then sent a letter to stores and restaurants reminding them
> that sale of the product is prohibited, he said Friday.
> 
> Alabama's liquor regulations prohibit labels with "a person posed in an
> immoral or sensuous manner," Martin said.
> 
> Hahn President Bill Leigon said Friday the company had been selling its
> product in Alabama since 2006 until it ran into problems with the label.
> "It is not pornographic," he said.
> 
> There have been no problems in the other 49 states where it is sold, he
> said.
> 
> He said the wine had remained available in Alabama after the label was
> rejected last year because he was unaware of the rejection. He said that
> when the ABC Board 
> 's letter went out, all the wine was picked up from stores and
> restaurants.
> 
> The problem with the label were first reported Friday by the Mobile
> Press-Register.
> 
> Leigon could change the label and resume sales in Alabama, but he said
> he won't.
> 
> "It is a gorgeous piece of work," he said.
>

[FairfieldLife] 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans

[TurquoiseB]

This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons.

First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called "Art Nouveau"),
and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine
label was based on.

Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama
thought this image showed "a person posed in an immoral or
sensuous manner" just makes me roll my eyes. What is
WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of
the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies?

Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban
the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who,
after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama)
is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling.

Have Americans completely lost their minds?

Winery's Nude Nymph Causes State Ban
Winery says they will not be changing its label

  [storyImage1]
For some wine lovers a nude nymph is artistic expression while for
others it is offensive trash.

A wine label showing a nude nymph is too much for Alabama
 's liquor control
agency, which has told restaurants and stores not to sell the product.

The label on Cycles Gladiator wine, produced by Hahn Family Wines in
Soledad  , Calif.,
shows a vintage 1895 advertising poster for Cycles Gladiator bicycles.
The French poster features a nude nymph flying beside a winged bicycle.

Bob Martin  ,
staff attorney for the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
 , said the board's license bureau rejected the label last
year as inappropriate for sale in the state. Early this month, a citizen
sent a bottle of the wine to the board's enforcement bureau to show it
was being sold in stores, he said.

The board then sent a letter to stores and restaurants reminding them
that sale of the product is prohibited, he said Friday.

Alabama's liquor regulations prohibit labels with "a person posed in an
immoral or sensuous manner," Martin said.

Hahn President Bill Leigon said Friday the company had been selling its
product in Alabama since 2006 until it ran into problems with the label.
"It is not pornographic," he said.

There have been no problems in the other 49 states where it is sold, he
said.

He said the wine had remained available in Alabama after the label was
rejected last year because he was unaware of the rejection. He said that
when the ABC Board 
's letter went out, all the wine was picked up from stores and
restaurants.

The problem with the label were first reported Friday by the Mobile
Press-Register.

Leigon could change the label and resume sales in Alabama, but he said
he won't.

"It is a gorgeous piece of work," he said.