[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[Ravi Yogi]

I have to say, really funny witty remarks and I have enjoyed all of them
in spite of the obvious spelling and grammatical errors, must be your
Arian instinct to get it in as quickly as possible :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
anartaxius@ wrote:
>>   I promise if I create a new title of the same name again, I will
> > serialise it, giving it a name like Personal Attacks #24,557.>
> Sorry, but THAT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  I want it time stamped in the
> four different time zones.  And I want a thorough audit on, just FFL,
> but all Yahoo groups under the spiritual or religious heading to make
> sure that this title hasn't shown up before.  I don't think that is
too
> much to ask.
>
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"

> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an
issue,
> > > > managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> > > > personally, and finally resolve the issue. Very good.
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi

[Ravi Yogi]

Excellent analysis and right on spot as usual, Turq is an excellent
writer but it's such a pity because all we see in his posts are either
bullying, victim-hood or various other projections of his emotional pain
involved with the Rama Cult.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that
> > > > you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post
> > > > on the internet has some stake in what they are talking
> > > > about.
> > >
> > > True. Otherwise why take the time to post it.
> >
> > I am going to disagree with both sparaig and tartbrain
> > here...respectfully...by pointing out that their argument
> > may be based on the writer's feelings about the writing
> > process.
> >
> > I write for a living. I am a fast enough typist so that
> > there is almost no lag between what I think and it appear-
> > ing onscreen as text. So I do it for fun. It's a way of
> > concretizing the abstract ideas that flit through my mind,
> > to see whether they have any lasting meaning for me other
> > than as Just Another Flit-Thought.
>
> Trouble is, the ideas that flit through your mind and
> make it into your posts here are generally of pretty
> low quality. They're very often shallow, unfocused,
> and lacking in logic, insight, and above all, self-
> knowledge.
>
> The one you made today about "equality" is a good
> example. Not only did it make little sense because
> you didn't think through the different meanings of
> "equality" in different contexts, it showed your
> typical inability to recognize that you were
> demonstrating the same behavior you were criticizing.
>
> I don't know whether you'd be capable of better work
> if you took more time with what you write, but your
> slapdash way of recording and then posting your
> ideas doesn't reflect well on you either as a thinker
> or as a writer. It also reveals your contempt for
> your audience that you throw together posts with so
> little thought.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi

[emptybill]

I'm thinking "pedestrian" is an adequate summary of his
multiple musings posing as insight.

Perhaps you have a better one but you can save it for a sunny day.
Why waste a good post describing the waifing scent of garbage?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >> >
> > I write for a living. I am a fast enough typist so that
> > there is almost no lag between what I think and it appear-
> > ing onscreen as text. So I do it for fun. It's a way of
> > concretizing the abstract ideas that flit through my mind,
> > to see whether they have any lasting meaning for me other
> > than as Just Another Flit-Thought.
>
> Trouble is, the ideas that flit through your mind and
> make it into your posts here are generally of pretty
> low quality. They're very often shallow, unfocused,
> and lacking in logic, insight, and above all, self-
> knowledge.
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Endless War

[emptybill]

There was no owner ship of land.
Haven't your studied anything?

Most of the tribes inhabited a neolithic world.
Some live in corporate housing but most of the
plains tribes wandered along following the herds.

Not owning land they still competed with and
fought with other tribes. When they fought and
took prisoners, mostly women, they were cruel
in a way we hardly comprehend.

We can't steal what they never owned. Ownership
was a concept introduced by the Catholics in their
attempt to become over-rulers of all things.

30-300-3000-30,000 years were all the  same.
They lived in a mythologized universe of animal totems.
Perfectly fine in itself but the world had developed otherwise.

The Russians were descending from Alaska.
The Spanish were ascending from Central America.
It was truly an inevitable clash between two worlds
and two different universes.
No 'branes to hold them apart.

You are reaping the undeserving benefit.
Therefor you are just a viscous thief.

So ask Jesus to cover you in his own precious blood.
It's your only hope, since you utterly defiled filth in God's eyes!

Read it and weep, blanco.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Bhairitu:
> > The beasts hate that and have conspired to drive
> > people out of their homes so they can buy them for
> > pennies on the dollar...
> >
> So, you've been squatting on the native inhabitants'
> land for what, 100 years, and now you think you own
> the land that was theirs, and they are the beasts?
>
> You're not even making any sense - the natives were
> here long before you guys from Europe came and took
> their land. If you're not interested in the money,
> just deed over your house and land to the original
> owners or their descendents.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting little story about Balraj Maharishi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Aside from a few sociopaths and/or trolls, I suspect that 
> > > you can make the claim that everyone who bothers to post 
> > > on the internet has some stake in what they are talking 
> > > about.
> > 
> > True. Otherwise why take the time to post it. 
> 
> I am going to disagree with both sparaig and tartbrain
> here...respectfully...by pointing out that their argument
> may be based on the writer's feelings about the writing
> process.
> 
> I write for a living. I am a fast enough typist so that
> there is almost no lag between what I think and it appear-
> ing onscreen as text. So I do it for fun. It's a way of
> concretizing the abstract ideas that flit through my mind,
> to see whether they have any lasting meaning for me other 
> than as Just Another Flit-Thought.

Trouble is, the ideas that flit through your mind and
make it into your posts here are generally of pretty
low quality. They're very often shallow, unfocused,
and lacking in logic, insight, and above all, self-
knowledge.

The one you made today about "equality" is a good
example. Not only did it make little sense because
you didn't think through the different meanings of
"equality" in different contexts, it showed your
typical inability to recognize that you were 
demonstrating the same behavior you were criticizing.

I don't know whether you'd be capable of better work
if you took more time with what you write, but your
slapdash way of recording and then posting your
ideas doesn't reflect well on you either as a thinker
or as a writer. It also reveals your contempt for
your audience that you throw together posts with so
little thought.

> I write for fun. As Curtis has explained eloquently on this
> forum, I also write to figure things out, for myself. And
> then, having figured them out, I move on, and possibly 
> figure them out a different way tomorrow, and yet another
> way the next day. I have no lingering attachment to any
> of them.

This doesn't ring true at all, because you tend to
repeat the same ideas over and over again. And your
presentation doesn't improve with repetition; it
just changes its clothes.

I suspect Curtis takes a lot more time and care with
most of his posts, not because he isn't a fast typist
but because he thinks that if something is worth
saying at all, it's worth saying well. And I seriously
doubt he has any less fun than you do. In fact, I'll
bet he has *more* fun producing a piece of writing
that he can take satisfaction in because it expresses
interesting ideas clearly and coherently.

> I honestly believe that the people who make the claim that
> one cannot write an idea on the Internet without having
> some investment in it, or in wanting to convert others to
> the validity or supremacy of that idea are stating their
> *own* limitations, not mine. Sometimes I really write just
> for the fuck of it, and for the fun of it.

Maybe those are *your* limitations. Seems to me that,
as a professional writer, you ought at least to have
enough investment in what you write to do your best
with it. Even if you were to change your mind
tomorrow about a particular idea, you ought to try to
express it as well as you can *today*.

I think you're afraid to do that. You aren't willing
to take that risk because you're afraid that your best
really isn't that good.

And you may be right.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you hate yer eyePhone?

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 05/28/2011 01:48 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> > http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/page2of82/
> >
> > The Iphone is just an other piece of shit from Apple.
> >
> > I am on the road 200+ days a year and spend more than 4 hrs a day on the 
> > phone. My company provides a blackberry that I enjoy and become critical 
> > for me to run business. After extreme pressure from friends I bought an 
> > Iphone 3Gs. I am counting the month (15 to go, before I can get rid of that 
> > piece of shit). (Do I need to mention that I am an advance IT manager?).
> >
> > #1 the battery: why should I have to recharge my phone several time a day. 
> > (my BB that does all that the I-shithead does needs every the other day).
> > #2: it is not multi task (apple do you know that MS DOS is the past)?
> > #2 bis: Web surfing. Apple do you know that the world revolves around 
> > flash... Therefore I can not access so many business application. Surfing 
> > is limited!
> > #3 it keep crashing in critical phases such as calls or navigation. (do I 
> > need that you can not remove the battery and when you are stuck it may 
> > takes hours before it will let you regain controls).
> > #4: it is incompatible with so many blue tooth and USB devices in cars and 
> > else.
> > #5 it is so fragile. No real warranty or insurance plan available at a 
> > reasonable price.
> > #6 it was design and made by big brother in person (Itune is the worst 
> > piece of shit, the biggest spying tool ever).
> > #7 it is outrageously expensive to run.
> > #8  ... Why should I waste my time on these comments. This is y first and 
> > last apple product ever.
> 
> You should have ignored peer pressure and gotten an Android phone.
>

An iPhone is like acid or a Tantric Guru.

You don't chose it, It finds you when *it* 
thinks your ready.  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
  I promise if I create a new title of the same name again, I will
serialise it, giving it a name like Personal Attacks #24,557.
Sorry, but THAT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  I want it time stamped in the
four different time zones.  And I want a thorough audit on, just FFL,
but all Yahoo groups under the spiritual or religious heading to make
sure that this title hasn't shown up before.  I don't think that is too
much to ask.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
> > > managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> > > personally, and finally resolve the issue. Very good.
> >
> > I beg your pardon?? Where have I done any of that?
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > > danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Judy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > > > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > > > > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > > > > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> > > >
> > > > I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> > > > replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> > > > to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> > > > the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> > > > geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> > > > "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> > > > retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> > > > original thread title persisted when you replied to
> > > > geezerfreak's posts).
> > > >
> > > > You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> > > > clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> > > > old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> > > > post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> > > > in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> > > > rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> > > > to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> > > > isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> > > > between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> > > > it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> > > > title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> > > > "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> > > > because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> > > > just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> > > > "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> > > > title instead of erasing the old title.
> > > >
> > > > I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> > > > the personal attacks in recent posts.
> > > >
> > > > The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> > > > fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> > > > someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> > > >
> > > > > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > > > > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > > > > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> > > >
> > > > Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> > > > even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> > > > effect.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Workplace Cited as a Source of Obesity

[Bhairitu]

Ya think?  Who's going to be the next diet millionaire with the 
sedentary lifestyle diet program?

"A sweeping review of shifts in the labor force since 1960 suggests that 
a sizable portion of the national weight gain can be explained by 
declining physical activity during the workday. Jobs requiring moderate 
physical activity, which accounted for 50 percent of the labor market in 
1960, have plummeted to just 20 percent. "

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/health/nutrition/26fat.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Endless War

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I figured there had to be a reason why these beasts worship money.  They 
> hoard it and haven't yet learned money isn't everything.  They hate us 
> for our freedom and that we have been able to own property.  Our 
> forefathers fled old Europe and the feudal landlords to come to the US 
> to have their own piece of land and work for themselves.  The beasts 
> hate that and have conspired to drive people out of their homes so they 
> can buy them for pennies on the dollar.
> 

"Post-modern capitalism has turned life in the United States into neo-feudalism 
with the token figurehead noble, the president, serving the corporate masters 
of war.  The monarchy may not look like traditional kings, yet it exists within 
the community of billionaire and multi-millionaire power brokers that make 
foreign and domestic policy decisions.  The chains of 16th century feudalism 
have morphed into a 21st century version where slaves without chains hustle to 
make ends meet as the nobility dines on the world's carved up resources."

http://www.metaphoria.org/ac4t0508e.html 

Read more: 
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgeorwe141783.html#ixzz1Nly43Fx7


> On 05/29/2011 10:22 AM, emptybill wrote:
> > They were born here and thus have human bodies now.
> > However they are not manusha but rather similar to asura-s
> > and rakshsha-s - only from other zones of Bhu-mandala.
> >
> > They are here to enjoy their lifetime just like us.
> > This time though the multitudes pouring into birth
> > here are seeking the wildness that may come.
> > If it doesn't occur soon enough they'll need to create it.
> >
> > Their almost all rajas and tamas - just enough sattva to be
> > able to sustain a human life-form in a sentient manner.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> >> It makes you wonder if the world is now being run by a war obsessed
> >> alien race that only looks human?
> >>
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Endless War

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> The beasts hate that and have conspired to drive 
> people out of their homes so they can buy them for 
> pennies on the dollar...
> 
So, you've been squatting on the native inhabitants' 
land for what, 100 years, and now you think you own
the land that was theirs, and they are the beasts? 

You're not even making any sense - the natives were
here long before you guys from Europe came and took 
their land. If you're not interested in the money,
just deed over your house and land to the original
owners or their descendents.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On mind, spiritual experience, enlightenment, and death

[WillyTex]

> > ...to justify a variety of immoral actions 
> > including having affairs with his students.
> >
Vaj: 
> Yeah, Baleskar...
>
Do all of your teachers share this tendency?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Endless War

[Bhairitu]

I figured there had to be a reason why these beasts worship money.  They 
hoard it and haven't yet learned money isn't everything.  They hate us 
for our freedom and that we have been able to own property.  Our 
forefathers fled old Europe and the feudal landlords to come to the US 
to have their own piece of land and work for themselves.  The beasts 
hate that and have conspired to drive people out of their homes so they 
can buy them for pennies on the dollar.

On 05/29/2011 10:22 AM, emptybill wrote:
> They were born here and thus have human bodies now.
> However they are not manusha but rather similar to asura-s
> and rakshsha-s - only from other zones of Bhu-mandala.
>
> They are here to enjoy their lifetime just like us.
> This time though the multitudes pouring into birth
> here are seeking the wildness that may come.
> If it doesn't occur soon enough they'll need to create it.
>
> Their almost all rajas and tamas - just enough sattva to be
> able to sustain a human life-form in a sentient manner.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
>> It makes you wonder if the world is now being run by a war obsessed
>> alien race that only looks human?
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[Bhairitu]

I know you're in the tech industry and one thing I've run into being in 
it is how the young folks "hate" experience.  When I was their age I 
respected experience and tried to learn from those who hd it.  I don't 
know where this chip on their shoulder comes from but they are sure seem 
annoyed if you mention how long you've been in the business.  And 
they'll often lecture you (online where they can't see you) about "what 
you should do" which is hilarious.  Today's 20 somethings seem to be the 
most narcissistic in history.  Probably something to do with schools 
trying to improve their "self esteem" and maybe going a bit overboard?

On 05/29/2011 10:02 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> Your sensitivity to hierarchies, spiritual or otherwise, is your ego trying 
> to stay on top of things. Once self realization dawns permanently, the sense 
> of being above or below others vanishes. So equality is not missing from 
> spirituality, but for those ego bound, it appears that way.:-)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the thing that
>> is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion, as they are most
>> often practiced on this planet. Setting his novel about human nature in
>> a barnyard filled with animals, Orwell postulated their creed: "All
>> animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others."
>>
>> THAT is what strikes me as the bottom line of most religions and
>> spiritual practices on this planet. Certain ideas, concepts and beliefs
>> are presented as "better" than others. And the people who believe the
>> same ideas, concepts and beliefs that you do are by definition "better"
>> than those who do not, "more equal."
>>
>> Christians believe that only those who believe in Jeeezus will go to
>> heaven, or deserve to. Ditto Muslims and many, if not most other
>> religions. Equality just isn't a characteristic they associate with God
>> or godliness or how the universe works. Instead, what is glorified is
>> dogma, the "rightness" or "supremacy" of that dogma, and the essential
>> "betterness" of those who believe the same dogma they do.
>>
>> Seems to me that people who believe this shit have missed the point of
>> being human, big-time.
>>
>> I got onto this train of thought yesterday while reading a nice article
>> about a musician I like, Bruce Cockburn. I've been a fan of his writing
>> and music for over forty years, have seen him live and have read
>> interviews with him, and not once in all of that time have I seen him
>> display the kind of essential belief in inequality I describe above. And
>> Bruce is a *Christian*. But he's also dabbled in many other forms of
>> spiritual practice, and has said many times that he considers them all
>> to be on an equal level. His music and his life seem to "walk the talk"
>> of this; the man is so compassionate he can even write lovingly about
>> Richard Nixon. Now *that* is compassion. :-)
>>
>> Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in which he
>> demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense of essential human
>> equality and compassion. He went out of his way to deal with someone
>> whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as being "lesser"
>> than they were with an attempt to see if he could get them to see the
>> putdownee as their equal, and discuss things just once with the
>> putdownee *as if* they were equals.
>>
>> Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm more impressed by
>> those who see the world around them as populated by their equals than I
>> am by those who see it hierarchically, with only them and the people who
>> believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
>> "non-spiritual," so be it.
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[Ravi Yogi]

Why the constant need to compare yourself to others? This post clearly
shows you just don't get it, you are projecting your sense of
inferiority into external values of equality. There are deep seated
emotions of fear, insecurity and inferiority that you can't seem to let
go.
Spirituality is not equality, but a tremendous self-love that then
extends without. Equality is never possible in the outer, no wonder you
get attracted to people like Dalai Lama - people with lot of suffering
always get attracted to pseudo-spiritualists who project values of
equality, peace on to the world.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the thing that
> is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion, as they are most
> often practiced on this planet. Setting his novel about human nature
in
> a barnyard filled with animals, Orwell postulated their creed: "All
> animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others."
>
> THAT is what strikes me as the bottom line of most religions and
> spiritual practices on this planet. Certain ideas, concepts and
beliefs
> are presented as "better" than others. And the people who believe the
> same ideas, concepts and beliefs that you do are by definition
"better"
> than those who do not, "more equal."
>
> Christians believe that only those who believe in Jeeezus will go to
> heaven, or deserve to. Ditto Muslims and many, if not most other
> religions. Equality just isn't a characteristic they associate with
God
> or godliness or how the universe works. Instead, what is glorified is
> dogma, the "rightness" or "supremacy" of that dogma, and the essential
> "betterness" of those who believe the same dogma they do.
>
> Seems to me that people who believe this shit have missed the point of
> being human, big-time.
>
> I got onto this train of thought yesterday while reading a nice
article
> about a musician I like, Bruce Cockburn. I've been a fan of his
writing
> and music for over forty years, have seen him live and have read
> interviews with him, and not once in all of that time have I seen him
> display the kind of essential belief in inequality I describe above.
And
> Bruce is a *Christian*. But he's also dabbled in many other forms of
> spiritual practice, and has said many times that he considers them all
> to be on an equal level. His music and his life seem to "walk the
talk"
> of this; the man is so compassionate he can even write lovingly about
> Richard Nixon. Now *that* is compassion. :-)
>
> Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in which he
> demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense of essential human
> equality and compassion. He went out of his way to deal with someone
> whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as being "lesser"
> than they were with an attempt to see if he could get them to see the
> putdownee as their equal, and discuss things just once with the
> putdownee *as if* they were equals.
>
> Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm more impressed
by
> those who see the world around them as populated by their equals than
I
> am by those who see it hierarchically, with only them and the people
who
> believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
> "non-spiritual," so be it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[Bhairitu]

On 05/29/2011 09:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the thing that
> is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion, as they are most
> often practiced on this planet. Setting his novel about human nature in
> a barnyard filled with animals, Orwell postulated their creed: "All
> animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others."
>
> THAT is what strikes me as the bottom line of most religions and
> spiritual practices on this planet. Certain ideas, concepts and beliefs
> are presented as "better" than others. And the people who believe the
> same ideas, concepts and beliefs that you do are by definition "better"
> than those who do not, "more equal."
>
> Christians believe that only those who believe in Jeeezus will go to
> heaven, or deserve to. Ditto Muslims and many, if not most other
> religions. Equality just isn't a characteristic they associate with God
> or godliness or how the universe works. Instead, what is glorified is
> dogma, the "rightness" or "supremacy" of that dogma, and the essential
> "betterness" of those who believe the same dogma they do.
>
> Seems to me that people who believe this shit have missed the point of
> being human, big-time.
>
> I got onto this train of thought yesterday while reading a nice article
> about a musician I like, Bruce Cockburn. I've been a fan of his writing
> and music for over forty years, have seen him live and have read
> interviews with him, and not once in all of that time have I seen him
> display the kind of essential belief in inequality I describe above. And
> Bruce is a *Christian*. But he's also dabbled in many other forms of
> spiritual practice, and has said many times that he considers them all
> to be on an equal level. His music and his life seem to "walk the talk"
> of this; the man is so compassionate he can even write lovingly about
> Richard Nixon. Now *that* is compassion. :-)
>
> Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in which he
> demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense of essential human
> equality and compassion. He went out of his way to deal with someone
> whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as being "lesser"
> than they were with an attempt to see if he could get them to see the
> putdownee as their equal, and discuss things just once with the
> putdownee *as if* they were equals.
>
> Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm more impressed by
> those who see the world around them as populated by their equals than I
> am by those who see it hierarchically, with only them and the people who
> believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
> "non-spiritual," so be it.

What kind  of grades did you get in school?  Would you have been 
competition for me in math classes where I year after year lowered the 
class curve without much effort on my part?  To be clear I'm not 
bragging that's just what happened.  And everyone felt okay about it 
because I had two left feet when it came to sports and I was born into a 
family known for it's athletes.

Equality is about "equal rights" not that we are all born with equal 
abilities.  Obviously if you were born a crack baby then your life is 
going to be more difficult than someone born to a couple of college 
professors.   I would say that many here exhibit exceptional IQs so this 
isn't your usual group crowd.  Besides TM was supposed to increase your 
intellect especially if you got an advanced technique.  A professor of 
astrology in Varanasi who read my chart recommended the same mantra 
telling me it would make my mind "like a computer."  I would just hope 
not an MS-DOS one.

The other thing is these techniques are open to everyone unless they are 
going to cause them some harm.  Even in TM there were some 
qualifications for that but I do have to say I saw teachers ignore them 
so their share of the center initiation money was larger.   And I wound 
up checking a psychopath.

[FairfieldLife] National Invincibility Tour - June 2011

[Dick Mays]

National Invincibility Tour
June 2011
Dr. Bevan Morris Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace
President of Maharishi University of Management
Working with Maharishi for 42 years


As previously announced, Dr. Bevan Morris will be touring the United 
States in June 2011, to inspire the permanent creation of the 
national invincibility group of 2,000 Yogic Flyers in Maharishi Vedic 
City and in the Golden Domes of Maharishi University of Management.


You are warmly invited to attend Dr. Morris' presentation in your 
area. Also please let your friends and family who practice the 
Transcendental Meditation technique know about the event in their 
area so they can enjoy this profound presentation.


Please see detailed information about the event locations below:

Atlanta
June 4th, 1:30 pm
Georgian Terrace Hotel
659 Peachtree St. NE
Atlanta, GA 30308

Asheville
June 5th, 1:30 pm
Transcendental Meditation Center
165 East Chestnut St.
Asheville, NC 28801

Boone/Heavenly Mountain
June 6th, 7:00 pm
Unity Village Hall
Heavenly Mountain
Boone, NC 28607

Charlotte
June 8th, 7:00 pm
[Location to be announced]
Charlotte, NC

Charleston
June 9th, 7:00 pm
Home of Linda LeShay
3646 Pandora Dr.
Mount Pleasant, SC 29464

St. Augustine/Jacksonville
June 10th, 7:00 pm
St. Augustine Transcendental Meditation Center
835 C Anastasia Blvd.
St. Augustine, FL 32080

Orlando
June 11th, 7:00 pm
Bohemian Hotel
700 Bloom St.
Celebration, FL 37747

Tampa/St. Petersburg
June 12th, 7:00 pm
Ramada Westshore Hotel
1200 No. West Shore Blvd.
Tampa, FL 33607

Miami
June 15th, 7:00 pm
7220 SW 137th St.
Palmetto Bay, FL 33158

Minneapolis/St. Paul
June 24th, 7:00 pm
Maharishi Peace Palace
399 Ruth St. North
St. Paul, MN 55119

Kansas City
June 25th:
2:00 pm-Presentation
Johnson County Library
9875 87th St.
Overland Park, KS 66212

7:30 pm-Experience meeting for Sidhas and Governors
Whole Foods Studio
7401 West 91St.
Overland Park, KS 66212

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[danfriedman2002]

Xenophaneros,

>From reading your post,I expect that you feel a bit ruffled from the responses 
>it's generated. I can totally understand (and comiserate) with your reaction. 

Since you've been on this for only a few months", let me assure you that there 
are personal attacks from the debating teams, with some regularity, followed by 
name calling.

This, of course is always followed by a good amount of insight and useful 
information, which is helpful.

So, in my opinion (a phrase I have found puts me in good stead here), it's a 
mixed bag; sometimes productive, and other times, not so much.

Dan

But I encourage you to keep trying to improve the climate and the norms of 
civility.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> After observing the quantity of personal attacks on this forum, I started a 
> new post with the specified title. I have been on this for only for a few 
> months. I also did not realise there had been a previous post with that name, 
> and was not paying much attention. I noticed at one point I was on a page 
> from 2006, when looking previous posts in the thread. I promise if I create a 
> new title of the same name again, I will serialise it, giving it a name like 
> Personal Attacks #24,557.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
> > > managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> > > personally, and finally resolve the issue.  Very good.
> > 
> > I beg your pardon?? Where have I done any of that?
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > > danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Judy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > > > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > > > > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > > > > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> > > >
> > > > I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> > > > replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> > > > to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> > > > the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> > > > geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> > > > "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> > > > retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> > > > original thread title persisted when you replied to
> > > > geezerfreak's posts).
> > > >
> > > > You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> > > > clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> > > > old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> > > > post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> > > > in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> > > > rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> > > > to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> > > > isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> > > > between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> > > > it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> > > > title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> > > > "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> > > > because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> > > > just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> > > > "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> > > > title instead of erasing the old title.
> > > >
> > > > I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> > > > the personal attacks in recent posts.
> > > >
> > > > The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> > > > fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> > > > someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> > > >
> > > > > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > > > > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > > > > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> > > >
> > > > Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> > > > even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> > > > effect.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
wrote:
>
> Thank you for a great tutorial on Yahoo Groups. I'm sure
> that this info will come in handy for me. Very generous
> of you to provide it.

If it was clear enough to be useful, I'm delighted. I wasn't
sure I was making any sense at all. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cool link for Chrome browser

[Bhairitu]

On 05/29/2011 10:30 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On May 29, 2011, at 12:15 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Last I checked Google still hasn't put up the street view of the street
>> a block away. This was the street that when I was driving down it last
>> November I encountered a Google Maps car so I would be in that view.
> What do you make of that?
>
>
> It's obviously a conspiracy.
>
> Sal

Or a "lemonade stand." :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
> 
> After observing the quantity of personal attacks on this forum,
> I started a new post with the specified title. I have been on
> this for only for a few months. I also did not realise there
> had been a previous post with that name, and was not paying
> much attention. I noticed at one point I was on a page from
> 2006, when looking previous posts in the thread. I promise if
> I create a new title of the same name again, I will serialise
> it, giving it a name like Personal Attacks #24,557.

That should work. ;-)

It's actually rather surprising, considering the fact that
we tend to discuss the same topics over and over, that there
aren't all that many occasions on which someone starts a new
thread with the same title as an old one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

After observing the quantity of personal attacks on this forum, I started a new 
post with the specified title. I have been on this for only for a few months. I 
also did not realise there had been a previous post with that name, and was not 
paying much attention. I noticed at one point I was on a page from 2006, when 
looking previous posts in the thread. I promise if I create a new title of the 
same name again, I will serialise it, giving it a name like Personal Attacks 
#24,557.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
> > managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> > personally, and finally resolve the issue.  Very good.
> 
> I beg your pardon?? Where have I done any of that?
> 
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy,
> > > >
> > > > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > > > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > > >
> > > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > > > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> > >
> > > I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> > > replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> > > to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> > > the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> > > geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> > > "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> > > retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> > > original thread title persisted when you replied to
> > > geezerfreak's posts).
> > >
> > > You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> > > clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> > > old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> > > post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> > > in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> > > rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> > >
> > > Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> > > to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> > > isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> > > between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> > > it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> > > title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> > > "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> > > because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> > > just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> > > "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> > > title instead of erasing the old title.
> > >
> > > I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> > > the personal attacks in recent posts.
> > >
> > > The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> > > fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> > > someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> > >
> > > > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > > > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > > > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> > >
> > > Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> > > even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> > > effect.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the
> thing that is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion,
> as they are most often practiced on this planet. Setting his
> novel about human nature in a barnyard filled with animals,
> Orwell postulated their creed: "All animals are equal. But
> some animals are more equal than others."

Except, of course, that this was in terms of politics and
human rights, not spirituality and religion, but don't
let that little detail stop you.


> Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in
> which he demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense
> of essential human equality and compassion. He went out
> of his way to deal with someone

Note that Barry continues to be afraid to use my name in
the posts in which he tries to put me down as being
"lesser."

> whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as 
> being "lesser" than they were with an attempt to see if
> he could get them to see the putdownee as their equal,
> and discuss things just once with the putdownee *as if*
> they were equals.

I seriously doubt Curtis saw it this way, most likely
because he knows me well enough to be aware that *I*
don't see it that way.

On the other hand, Vaj said in a post yesterday that I
was a "chronic liar." Aside from that not being true,
I don't see Barry criticizing Vaj for not seeing me as
"equal."

> Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm
> more impressed by those who see the world around them
> as populated by their equals than I am by those who see
> it hierarchically, with only them and the people who
> believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
> "non-spiritual," so be it.

It certainly makes Barry a person who ranks as "lower" and
as "less spiritual" those whom Barry imagines see the world
hierarchically.

In other words, as he so often does, he's engaging in
precisely the same thinking and behavior that he
criticizes.

That exercise in hypocrisy aside, the gigantic flaw in
his reasoning is that he conflates different types of
equality. No real Christian, for example, would say
that non-Christians are "lesser" in God's sight. All
have sinned and fallen short; but God offers all
forgiveness without exception. To be "saved" is simply
to be willing to accept that forgiveness, to recognize,
in fact, that one's sins do *not* make one unequal in
God's eyes.

Nor does criticizing someone's behavior or thinking imply
that the critic believes the person being criticized is
unequal to the critic in any sense but with regard to the
specific trait being criticized. (And sometimes not even
in that respect. I may criticize Barry's writing from an
editorial perspective, for example, but I freely
acknowledge he's a better writer than I am.)

It would be absurd to claim everyone is equal in every
respect. Some people are more honest than others. Some
have more skill with logic than others. Some are better
organized than others. Some are more insightful than
others. Some are better singers/dancers/computer
programmers than others. Some are physically healthier
than others. And so on and so on.

None of that has anything at all to do with "All men
are created equal." That's a different type of equality.
Some don't believe in it--the people Orwell was
criticizing--but by the same token, not being a hypocrite,
he would have been the first to deny that they were "less
equal" than he or anybody else in that sense.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Give peace a chance ...

[Mike Dixon]

Something seems wrong.Those first three are marked with devastating volcanoes, 
earthquakes, tsunamis and nuclear disasters.





From: merlin 
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:59:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Give peace a chance ...

  
Give peace a chance:
 
Iceland, New Zealand,   >>>
 top list of most peacefull countries.
by Marina Watson Pelaez

Time NewsFeed   29 May 2011

On 29 May 2011 Time NewsFeed reported: 
 
Iceland has been ranked the most peaceful country in the world, according to 
the 
2011 Global Peace Index. The index looked at the number of external and 
internal 
conflicts fought, political instability, military expenditure, and level of 
violent crime. 

 
The top ten most peaceful nations are: Iceland, New Zealand, Japan, Denmark, 
Czech Republic, Austria, Finland, Canada, Norway, and Slovenia. Global Good 
News 
service views this news as a sign of rising positivity in the field of 
government, documenting the growth of life-supporting, evolutionary trends. 


To read the full article click here  >>>

 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/government-news-a.html?art=13066351814939361
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Give peace a chance ...

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 29, 2011, at 12:59 PM, merlin wrote:

Give peace a chance:
 
Iceland, New Zealand,   >>>
 top list of most peacefull countries.

Of course they're peaceful~~
nobody actually lives there.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Give peace a chance ...

[merlin]

Give peace a chance:
 
Iceland, New Zealand,   >>>
 top list of most peacefull countries.
by Marina Watson Pelaez

Time NewsFeed   29 May 2011

On 29 May 2011 Time NewsFeed reported: 
 
Iceland has been ranked the most peaceful country in the world, according to 
the 2011 Global Peace Index. The index looked at the number of external and 
internal conflicts fought, political instability, military expenditure, and 
level of violent crime. 
 
The top ten most peaceful nations are: Iceland, New Zealand, Japan, Denmark, 
Czech Republic, Austria, Finland, Canada, Norway, and Slovenia. Global Good 
News service views this news as a sign of rising positivity in the field of 
government, documenting the growth of life-supporting, evolutionary trends. 

To read the full article click here  >>>
 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/government-news-a.html?art=13066351814939361

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool link for Chrome browser

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 05/28/2011 01:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
> >
> > Gotta have Google Chrome browser for it to work, and you won't get the full 
> > effect if the address you plug in doesn't have both satellite and street 
> > view images.

Whoa! Un-effing-believable! :o

>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[seventhray1]

I was talking to Dan, or mean't to at least.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
> > managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> > personally, and finally resolve the issue. Very good.
>
> I beg your pardon?? Where have I done any of that?
>
>
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> > danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy,
> > > >
> > > > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > > > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > > >
> > > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > > > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> > >
> > > I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> > > replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> > > to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> > > the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> > > geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> > > "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> > > retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> > > original thread title persisted when you replied to
> > > geezerfreak's posts).
> > >
> > > You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> > > clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> > > old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> > > post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> > > in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> > > rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> > >
> > > Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> > > to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> > > isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> > > between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> > > it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> > > title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> > > "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> > > because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> > > just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> > > "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> > > title instead of erasing the old title.
> > >
> > > I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> > > the personal attacks in recent posts.
> > >
> > > The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> > > fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> > > someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> > >
> > > > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > > > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > > > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> > >
> > > Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> > > even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> > > effect.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[danfriedman2002]

Thank you for a great tutorial on Yahoo Groups. I'm sure that this info will 
come in handy for me. Very generous of you to provide it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Judy,
> > 
> > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > 
> > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> 
> I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as 
> the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> original thread title persisted when you replied to
> geezerfreak's posts).
> 
> You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> 
> Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> title instead of erasing the old title.
> 
> I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> the personal attacks in recent posts.
> 
> The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but 
> fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> 
> > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> 
> Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> effect.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> That was awesome.  I think I want to watch it two or three more 
> times.

"The saddest thing I can imagine is to get used to luxury."
   - Charlie Chaplin

"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in 
long-shot."
   - Charlie Chaplin

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Charlie Chaplin's final speech from "The Great Dictator,"
> > set, thanks to a YouTubeToy, to Hans Zimmer's music from
> > "Inception."
> >
> >
> http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat\
> ch%3Fv%3DQcvjoWOwnn4&start1=54&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat\
> ch%3Fv%3DZ0kGAz6HYM8&start2=0&authorName
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3u7d3cz
> >
> > "I remain just one thing, and one thing only - and that
> > is a clown. It places me on a far higher plane than any
> > politician." - Charlie Chaplin
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cool link for Chrome browser

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 29, 2011, at 12:15 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> Last I checked Google still hasn't put up the street view of the street 
> a block away. This was the street that when I was driving down it last 
> November I encountered a Google Maps car so I would be in that view.

What do you make of that?


It's obviously a conspiracy.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 29, 2011, at 11:57 AM, seventhray1 wrote:

Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue, managed to 
attack yourself personally, apologize to your self personally, and finally 
resolve the issue.  Very good.


LOL


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hope

[seventhray1]

That was awesome.  I think I want to watch it two or three more times.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Charlie Chaplin's final speech from "The Great Dictator,"
> set, thanks to a YouTubeToy, to Hans Zimmer's music from
> "Inception."
>
>
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat\
ch%3Fv%3DQcvjoWOwnn4&start1=54&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat\
ch%3Fv%3DZ0kGAz6HYM8&start2=0&authorName
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3u7d3cz
>
> "I remain just one thing, and one thing only - and that
> is a clown. It places me on a far higher plane than any
> politician." - Charlie Chaplin
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Endless War

[emptybill]

They were born here and thus have human bodies now.
However they are not manusha but rather similar to asura-s
and rakshsha-s - only from other zones of Bhu-mandala.

They are here to enjoy their lifetime just like us.
This time though the multitudes pouring into birth
here are seeking the wildness that may come.
If it doesn't occur soon enough they'll need to create it.

Their almost all rajas and tamas - just enough sattva to be
able to sustain a human life-form in a sentient manner.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> It makes you wonder if the world is now being run by a war obsessed
> alien race that only looks human?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
> managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
> personally, and finally resolve the issue.  Very good.

I beg your pardon?? Where have I done any of that?


 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy,
> > >
> > > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> > >
> > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
> >
> > I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> > replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> > to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> > the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> > geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> > "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> > retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> > original thread title persisted when you replied to
> > geezerfreak's posts).
> >
> > You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> > clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> > old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> > post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> > in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> > rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
> >
> > Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> > to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> > isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> > between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> > it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> > title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> > "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> > because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> > just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> > "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> > title instead of erasing the old title.
> >
> > I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> > the personal attacks in recent posts.
> >
> > The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> > fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> > someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
> >
> > > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> >
> > Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> > even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> > effect.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool link for Chrome browser

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> Last I checked Google still hasn't put up the street view of the
street
> a block away. This was the street that when I was driving down it last
> November I encountered a Google Maps car so I would be in that view.

What do you make of that?


> Most all the other streets in the area including mine have been mapped
> and that street just north of a side street is mapped. However friends
> also told me in the their travels across the country last year they
ran
> into a young woman taking all kinds of pictures a restaurant and she
was
> taking pictures for a Google project and those photos haven't shown up
> either.
>

[FairfieldLife] Hope

[turquoiseb]

Charlie Chaplin's final speech from "The Great Dictator,"
set, thanks to a YouTubeToy, to Hans Zimmer's music from 
"Inception." 

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQcvjoWOwnn4&start1=54&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZ0kGAz6HYM8&start2=0&authorName

or

http://tinyurl.com/3u7d3cz

"I remain just one thing, and one thing only - and that 
is a clown. It places me on a far higher plane than any 
politician."  - Charlie Chaplin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Monet

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "Those who danced were thought to be quite insane
>  by those who could not hear the music."   Monet


Beautiful quote. 

But remember, some hearing the music are only hearing noise inside their heads.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> Hey seventhray, I wasn't asking a rhetorical question. If you feel
like answering it, we can continue discussing this. Or not.


I observe that you engage in repeated, what I would call, name calling. 
Ocassionally you offer some actual rebuttal of subtance.  But usually it
is along the lines of "Barry, you're an asshole, and Vaj, you're an
asshole squared".  Or vice versa.  So, I am wondering what benefit you
derive from this.  Perhaps this may seem a condescending question on my
part.  But it seems that about 85% of your posts are formulaic in this
regard.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On mind, spiritual experience, enlightenment, and death

[whynotnow7]

As I said I don't know this guy. What he said and I quoted makes a lot of sense 
to me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411"  wrote:
>
>Please go to Enlightened Spirituality.org- and see page on neo-advaitin 
> Ramesh Balsekar.It appears that  Mr Balseker rather than "cutting through 
> bullshit"(i.e. relative to the meaning of vedanta)
> interjected a significant amount of it into his talks about advaita.In 
> addition he used the concept "it does not matter what we do" to justify a 
> variety of immoral actions including having affairs with his 
> students.Overall, I would say there is just as much chance he is a 
> psychopath(he was a bank CEO :)) than he is "awake". 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Rick just posted this over on the BATGAP forum. I found it very helpful. It 
> > is longish but an easy read. FYI I don't know who Ramesh Balkesar or Wayne 
> > are:
> > 
> > Rick,
> > 
> > I just ran across a very precise exposition from Wayne on Ramesh Balsekar's 
> > concept of the thinking mind vs the working mind...I'm sending it cause 
> > there is much confusion about the place of mind or intellect on the 
> > journey..and thought it might clear things up..
> > 
> > Quote:
> > 
> > "The 'working mind' is as the name suggests, the aspect of the organism 
> > that does the work of keeping the organism functioning..It is the 
> > respository of genetic heritage, memory, knowledge, culture, identity, all 
> > of those qualities that are essential for day to day living...The working 
> > mind functions in accordance with it's programming..This programming is 
> > dynamic; it's an ongoing process whereby new information is being added to 
> > the mix all the time...and this remains in tact after enlightenment..
> > 
> > What Ramesh calls the 'thinking mind' is another term for what is commonly 
> > referred to as the ego..The thinking mind's sole function - the ONLY thing 
> > it does - is to claim the operation of the working mind as it's own doing 
> > and becomes involved in that operation to the extent solely of preserving 
> > itself...It's a false claimer of primacy or authorship which arises in 
> > virtually every human at the age of about two and a half..The ego/thinking 
> > mind authors nothing...There is no such thing as ego-created action..
> > 
> > The body/mind organism that is popularly called a sage, is one in which the 
> > thinking mind has died...Famous historical resurrections not withstanding, 
> > dead is dead and there is no possibility of return..That is my working 
> > definition for what constitutes an organism called the sage and what the 
> > event of enlightenment represents..It is that very precise 
> > occurrence...Therefore, far from being a superman, the sage is completely 
> > ordinary...In this model, the sage has not gained something more but rather 
> > is simply a human organism with one thing LESS...it is without the false 
> > sense of personal authorship"...
> > END QUOTE
> > 
> > For me, Ramesh was the most important of the modern day sages in that his 
> > clarity was unsurpassed...His writings were of enormous help in 
> > understanding the events that followed the awakening...He cuts through a 
> > lot of BS that people expound on the spiritual path..He is also quite 
> > specific about awakening vs enlightenmen which I'm in complete agreement 
> > with based on my own experience...So many misconceptions abound about 
> > this..so here's my favorite quote of his..
> > 
> > QUOTE:
> > "There is a prevalent notion that there can be awakening or realization 
> > that comes and goes and finally stabilizes after some time...I do not 
> > believe that there is such a thing as partial realization..I recognize that 
> > there is seeking.  I recognize there is intellectual understanding and 
> > there is spiritual experience, both of which are progressive and 
> > cumulative. And I recognize there is the final understanding, which is 
> > sudden irrevocable, AND AFTER WHICH, there can be no further process, in 
> > the same way that you cannot be more dead...You can only be dead; you can't 
> > be dead plus...Once dead, there is no question of stabilizing into your 
> > deadness...And realization or the final understanding is exactly like 
> > that...
> > 
> > In my definition of this final understanding, gradual or evolutionary 
> > enlightenment is not possible...What that refers to is this unveiling 
> > process of seeking in which you have spiritual insights...In that stage, 
> > there are often very real spiritual experiences in which you know the 
> > oneness of things...Such experiences ebb, and then they often come back 
> > again...That's what I call the process of spiritual seeking...This process 
> > has increasingly been redefined as awakening or enlightenment...
> > In fact, much of the modern satsang movement is based on that model of 
> > spiritual experience, being called enlightenment

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[whynotnow7]

Your sensitivity to hierarchies, spiritual or otherwise, is your ego trying to 
stay on top of things. Once self realization dawns permanently, the sense of 
being above or below others vanishes. So equality is not missing from 
spirituality, but for those ego bound, it appears that way.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the thing that
> is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion, as they are most
> often practiced on this planet. Setting his novel about human nature in
> a barnyard filled with animals, Orwell postulated their creed: "All
> animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others."
> 
> THAT is what strikes me as the bottom line of most religions and
> spiritual practices on this planet. Certain ideas, concepts and beliefs
> are presented as "better" than others. And the people who believe the
> same ideas, concepts and beliefs that you do are by definition "better"
> than those who do not, "more equal."
> 
> Christians believe that only those who believe in Jeeezus will go to
> heaven, or deserve to. Ditto Muslims and many, if not most other
> religions. Equality just isn't a characteristic they associate with God
> or godliness or how the universe works. Instead, what is glorified is
> dogma, the "rightness" or "supremacy" of that dogma, and the essential
> "betterness" of those who believe the same dogma they do.
> 
> Seems to me that people who believe this shit have missed the point of
> being human, big-time.
> 
> I got onto this train of thought yesterday while reading a nice article
> about a musician I like, Bruce Cockburn. I've been a fan of his writing
> and music for over forty years, have seen him live and have read
> interviews with him, and not once in all of that time have I seen him
> display the kind of essential belief in inequality I describe above. And
> Bruce is a *Christian*. But he's also dabbled in many other forms of
> spiritual practice, and has said many times that he considers them all
> to be on an equal level. His music and his life seem to "walk the talk"
> of this; the man is so compassionate he can even write lovingly about
> Richard Nixon. Now *that* is compassion. :-)
> 
> Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in which he
> demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense of essential human
> equality and compassion. He went out of his way to deal with someone
> whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as being "lesser"
> than they were with an attempt to see if he could get them to see the
> putdownee as their equal, and discuss things just once with the
> putdownee *as if* they were equals.
> 
> Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm more impressed by
> those who see the world around them as populated by their equals than I
> am by those who see it hierarchically, with only them and the people who
> believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
> "non-spiritual," so be it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On mind, spiritual experience, enlightenment, and death

[Vaj]

On May 29, 2011, at 12:50 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:

>   Please go to Enlightened Spirituality.org- and see page on neo-advaitin 
> Ramesh Balsekar.It appears that  Mr Balseker rather than "cutting through 
> bullshit"(i.e. relative to the meaning of vedanta)
> interjected a significant amount of it into his talks about advaita.In 
> addition he used the concept "it does not matter what we do" to justify a 
> variety of immoral actions including having affairs with his 
> students.Overall, I would say there is just as much chance he is a 
> psychopath(he was a bank CEO :)) than he is "awake". 


Yeah, Baleskar is known for embracing the Charlie Manson dictum, "If all is 
one, nothing is wrong". It seems common in the psychotically enlightened.

But at least WhyNotMe found someone he can talk to. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[seventhray1]

Sounds like you successfully created an issue, confused an issue,
managed to attack yourself personally, apologize to your self
personally, and finally resolve the issue.  Very good.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
danfriedman2002@ wrote:
> >
> > Judy,
> >
> > I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> > Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> > Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> >
> > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> > posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;
>
> I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
> replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
> to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as
> the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
> geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
> "Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
> retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
> original thread title persisted when you replied to
> geezerfreak's posts).
>
> You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
> clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
> old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
> post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
> in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
> rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.
>
> Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
> to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
> isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
> between them other than the wording of the titles. And
> it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
> title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
> "Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
> because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
> just changed the title. He probably should have put a
> "was" before the old title when he typed in his new
> title instead of erasing the old title.
>
> I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
> the personal attacks in recent posts.
>
> The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but
> fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
> someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.
>
> > but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> > written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> > one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
>
> Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
> even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
> effect.
>

[FairfieldLife] The Thing Most Missing From Spirituality - Equality

[turquoiseb]

George Orwell, in his book "Animal Farm," really nailed the thing that
is IMO most missing from spirituality and religion, as they are most
often practiced on this planet. Setting his novel about human nature in
a barnyard filled with animals, Orwell postulated their creed: "All
animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others."

THAT is what strikes me as the bottom line of most religions and
spiritual practices on this planet. Certain ideas, concepts and beliefs
are presented as "better" than others. And the people who believe the
same ideas, concepts and beliefs that you do are by definition "better"
than those who do not, "more equal."

Christians believe that only those who believe in Jeeezus will go to
heaven, or deserve to. Ditto Muslims and many, if not most other
religions. Equality just isn't a characteristic they associate with God
or godliness or how the universe works. Instead, what is glorified is
dogma, the "rightness" or "supremacy" of that dogma, and the essential
"betterness" of those who believe the same dogma they do.

Seems to me that people who believe this shit have missed the point of
being human, big-time.

I got onto this train of thought yesterday while reading a nice article
about a musician I like, Bruce Cockburn. I've been a fan of his writing
and music for over forty years, have seen him live and have read
interviews with him, and not once in all of that time have I seen him
display the kind of essential belief in inequality I describe above. And
Bruce is a *Christian*. But he's also dabbled in many other forms of
spiritual practice, and has said many times that he considers them all
to be on an equal level. His music and his life seem to "walk the talk"
of this; the man is so compassionate he can even write lovingly about
Richard Nixon. Now *that* is compassion. :-)

Soon after reading this, I read a post here by Curtis in which he
demonstrated (as he often does) that same sense of essential human
equality and compassion. He went out of his way to deal with someone
whose intent was clearly to put down another poster as being "lesser"
than they were with an attempt to see if he could get them to see the
putdownee as their equal, and discuss things just once with the
putdownee *as if* they were equals.

Call me whatever you want for believing this, but I'm more impressed by
those who see the world around them as populated by their equals than I
am by those who see it hierarchically, with only them and the people who
believe the same things they do at the top. If that makes me
"non-spiritual," so be it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cool link for Chrome browser

[Bhairitu]

On 05/28/2011 01:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
>
> Gotta have Google Chrome browser for it to work, and you won't get the full 
> effect if the address you plug in doesn't have both satellite and street view 
> images.

Last I checked Google still hasn't put up the street view of the street 
a block away.  This was the street that when I was driving down it last 
November I encountered a Google Maps car so I would be in that view.  
Most all the other streets in the area including mine have been mapped 
and that street just north of a side street is mapped.  However friends 
also told me in the their travels across the country last year they ran 
into a young woman taking all kinds of pictures a restaurant and she was 
taking pictures for a Google project and those photos haven't shown up 
either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On mind, spiritual experience, enlightenment, and death

[shanti2218411]

   Please go to Enlightened Spirituality.org- and see page on neo-advaitin 
Ramesh Balsekar.It appears that  Mr Balseker rather than "cutting through 
bullshit"(i.e. relative to the meaning of vedanta)
interjected a significant amount of it into his talks about advaita.In addition 
he used the concept "it does not matter what we do" to justify a variety of 
immoral actions including having affairs with his students.Overall, I would say 
there is just as much chance he is a psychopath(he was a bank CEO :)) than he 
is "awake". 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Rick just posted this over on the BATGAP forum. I found it very helpful. It 
> is longish but an easy read. FYI I don't know who Ramesh Balkesar or Wayne 
> are:
> 
> Rick,
> 
> I just ran across a very precise exposition from Wayne on Ramesh Balsekar's 
> concept of the thinking mind vs the working mind...I'm sending it cause there 
> is much confusion about the place of mind or intellect on the journey..and 
> thought it might clear things up..
> 
> Quote:
> 
> "The 'working mind' is as the name suggests, the aspect of the organism that 
> does the work of keeping the organism functioning..It is the respository of 
> genetic heritage, memory, knowledge, culture, identity, all of those 
> qualities that are essential for day to day living...The working mind 
> functions in accordance with it's programming..This programming is dynamic; 
> it's an ongoing process whereby new information is being added to the mix all 
> the time...and this remains in tact after enlightenment..
> 
> What Ramesh calls the 'thinking mind' is another term for what is commonly 
> referred to as the ego..The thinking mind's sole function - the ONLY thing it 
> does - is to claim the operation of the working mind as it's own doing and 
> becomes involved in that operation to the extent solely of preserving 
> itself...It's a false claimer of primacy or authorship which arises in 
> virtually every human at the age of about two and a half..The ego/thinking 
> mind authors nothing...There is no such thing as ego-created action..
> 
> The body/mind organism that is popularly called a sage, is one in which the 
> thinking mind has died...Famous historical resurrections not withstanding, 
> dead is dead and there is no possibility of return..That is my working 
> definition for what constitutes an organism called the sage and what the 
> event of enlightenment represents..It is that very precise 
> occurrence...Therefore, far from being a superman, the sage is completely 
> ordinary...In this model, the sage has not gained something more but rather 
> is simply a human organism with one thing LESS...it is without the false 
> sense of personal authorship"...
> END QUOTE
> 
> For me, Ramesh was the most important of the modern day sages in that his 
> clarity was unsurpassed...His writings were of enormous help in understanding 
> the events that followed the awakening...He cuts through a lot of BS that 
> people expound on the spiritual path..He is also quite specific about 
> awakening vs enlightenmen which I'm in complete agreement with based on my 
> own experience...So many misconceptions abound about this..so here's my 
> favorite quote of his..
> 
> QUOTE:
> "There is a prevalent notion that there can be awakening or realization that 
> comes and goes and finally stabilizes after some time...I do not believe that 
> there is such a thing as partial realization..I recognize that there is 
> seeking.  I recognize there is intellectual understanding and there is 
> spiritual experience, both of which are progressive and cumulative. And I 
> recognize there is the final understanding, which is sudden irrevocable, AND 
> AFTER WHICH, there can be no further process, in the same way that you cannot 
> be more dead...You can only be dead; you can't be dead plus...Once dead, 
> there is no question of stabilizing into your deadness...And realization or 
> the final understanding is exactly like that...
> 
> In my definition of this final understanding, gradual or evolutionary 
> enlightenment is not possible...What that refers to is this unveiling process 
> of seeking in which you have spiritual insights...In that stage, there are 
> often very real spiritual experiences in which you know the oneness of 
> things...Such experiences ebb, and then they often come back again...That's 
> what I call the process of spiritual seeking...This process has increasingly 
> been redefined as awakening or enlightenment...
> In fact, much of the modern satsang movement is based on that model of 
> spiritual experience, being called enlightenment...So after your spiritual 
> experience has been officially declared enlightenment by someone who had 
> their spiritual experience declared to be enlightenment by someone else who 
> once flew over Lucknow, you are then urged to teach that to others as being 
> awakening or enlightenment...
> 
> Part of the appeal of suc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Endless War

[Bhairitu]

On 05/29/2011 07:06 AM, raunchydog wrote:
> "Reading Mr Malcolm Muggeridge's brilliant and depressing book, The Thirties, 
> I thought of a rather cruel trick I once played on a wasp. He was sucking jam 
> on my plate, and I cut him in half. He paid no attention, merely went on with 
> his meal, while a tiny stream of jam trickled out of his severed œsophagus. 
> Only when he tried to fly away did he grasp the dreadful thing that had 
> happened to him. It is the same with modern man. The thing that has been cut 
> away is his soul, and there was a period — twenty years, perhaps — during 
> which he did not notice it."
>
> http://orwell.ru/library/articles/notes/english/e_notew
>
> "Tucked inside the National Defense Authorization Act, being marked up by the 
> House Armed Services Committee this week, is a hugely important provision 
> that hasn't been getting a lot of attention — a brand new authorization for a 
> worldwide war."
>
> http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/unchecked-executive-war-power-could-slip-through-house
>
> "Congressional majorities support Washington's imperial agenda, including 
> global militarization against potential challengers and America's main rivals 
> - China and Russia, encircling them belligerently with bases and strategic 
> weapons. It's a policy fraught with danger."
>
> http://www.phillyimc.org/en/encircling-russia-us-bases

It makes you wonder if the world is now being run by a war obsessed 
alien race that only looks human?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Monet

[whynotnow7]

great idea for a t-shirt!:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "Those who danced were thought to be quite insane
>  by those who could not hear the music."   Monet
>

[FairfieldLife] Monet

[Rick Archer]

"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane
 by those who could not hear the music."   Monet

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Way of the Turgid Turnip

[whynotnow7]

I was the one who said I was enlightened once I had reached CC. Although it 
could be argued that it is a nonsensical statement, the point I was making 
about six years ago was that contrary to established enlightenment being an 
abstract, unreachable goal, as many traditions imply, it is achievable by 
anyone. I know you get this tart, as I have watched your consciousness deepen 
and expand over the years. Stick with it dude.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday tartbrain posted an interesting comment. He said said that in
> > his experience on Fairfield Life, only one person who has announced
> > themselves as enlightened 
> 
> Claiming that Existence is Enlightened makes no sense. Claiming oneself to be 
> Enlightened is just plain funny.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

Hey seventhray, I wasn't asking a rhetorical question. If you feel like 
answering it, we can continue discussing this. Or not.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Ah!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > What am I trying to achieve Steve?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim, is your approach working for whatever you are trying to
> achieve?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Blindness doesn't work either tart.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's
> relatively
> > > minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the
> room.
> > > OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things.
> Granted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE
> COUNTRY OF
> > > TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his
> > > countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured,
> imprisoned,
> > > and slaughtered, on the pretext of "fighting for a free Tibet" (from
> a
> > > distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see
> Tibet
> > > getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse.
> By
> > > continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is
> > > bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the
> > > Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson
> > > (Nation Books ISBN1568586019):
> > > > > > > "Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral
> figure
> > > but with a tragic dimension — he captures worldwide fame and
> brings
> > > Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades
> of
> > > repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a
> > > monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can
> > > continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in
> > > Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus
> instead
> > > on how "TM doesn't work" and "Maharishi charges too much for
> > > meditation", he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL
> and
> > > other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet.
> > > Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration
> > > on…on…MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced
> or
> > > taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically
> > > distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's
> > > destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero,
> the
> > > Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI
> YUGA
> > > "MR. NICE GUY". Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's an interesting analysis.
> > > > > > Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi
> and
> > > the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly
> a
> > > coincidence.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of
> > > spirituality that I aspire to or seek.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

Close - everyone is wholeness, though not everyone recognizes and experiences 
themselves as wholeness.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I agree it is all about wholeness running the 
> > show.:-) 
> 
> 
> So let me see if I have finally understood your point: Wholness is running 
> the Show. The DL is to blame for poorly running the show.  Ergo, the DL is 
> Wholeness. 
>   
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was being ironic. The World Plan does seem to have failed though. 
> > > 
> > > This particular post of mine regarding the DL only discusses events 
> > > concerning him up to 1959. I will have to admit that my knowledge of this 
> > > particular aspect of history is not complete enough to analyse the 
> > > situation well, but this discussion of the DL and the relationship of 
> > > Tibet to China seems over simplistic. Whether one is a great leader, or a 
> > > total incompetent, having your small country invaded by an ideologically 
> > > motivated army of vast and superior technology and size is probably not 
> > > something that could be stopped. 
> > > 
> > > The bullies won.
> > > 
> > > I do not hold Maharishi responsible for this at all. As I quoted in 
> > > another post, 'For know that no one is free, except Zeus.' a quote from 
> > > Aeschylus: This means that in the activity of the world, only the whole 
> > > is responsible for what happens. Individuality and individual bodies 
> > > moving about are puppets that think they matter.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is 
> > > > due to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai 
> > > > Lama. Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's 
> > > > primary responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the 
> > > > perpetuation of all of the evil state governments in the world on 
> > > > Maharishi, your logic kind of falls apart.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > > > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are 
> > > > > great
> > > > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > > > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > > > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > > > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual 
> > > > > failure.
> > > > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > > > > 
> > > > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > > > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > > > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > > > > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > > > > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > > > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me 
> > > > > away
> > > > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising 
> > > > > this
> > > > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of 
> > > > > MMY
> > > > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > > > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be 
> > > > > better
> > > > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > > > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > > > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks 
> > > > > of
> > > > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > > > > wise one in the circumstances.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi 
> > > > > inaugurates
> > > > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > > > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > > > > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > > > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > > > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour 
> > > > > that
> > > > > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > > > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > > > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals 
> > > > > and
> > > > > society.
> > > > > 7. To achieve the spiri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
wrote:
> 
> Judy,
> 
> I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After
> Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the
> Discussion Topic yesterday, and I sent replies.
> 
> Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous
> posts, once Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday;

I think I see what happened. Xeno wasn't actually
replying to that old post. What he did was give a title
to his post, "Personal Attacks," that was the same as 
the one on that old post of Rick's commenting on
geezerfreak's posts (which were in a thread titled
"Doomsday Message from 'Raja' Kornhaus today"; Rick
retitled his post "Personal Attacks," but the
original thread title persisted when you replied to
geezerfreak's posts).

You wanted to see what Xeno had been commenting on and
clicked on "Up Thread," which took you back to Rick's
old post, and you followed *it* back to geezerfreak's
post. But notice that Xeno's post didn't have a "Re:"
in the title, meaning he had clicked "Start Topic"
rather than "Reply" (to an old post) to make it.

Yahoo Group's software automatically linked Xeno's post
to Rick's old post because they had the same titles. It
isn't smart enough to see that there was no connection
between them other than the wording of the titles. And
it picked up the original "Doomsday Message" thread
title because Rick hadn't used "Start Topic" to make his
"Personal Attack" post; he'd used the "Reply" function
because he was commenting on geezerfreak's post and
just changed the title. He probably should have put a
"was" before the old title when he typed in his new
title instead of erasing the old title.

I'd guess Xeno was inspired to make his post by some of
the personal attacks in recent posts.

The same thing has happened to me once or twice, but 
fortunately I noticed the dates on the old posts that
someone had appeared to "reply" to before commenting.

> but my mistake is somewhat offset by the real fact that
> written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...
> one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.

Folks regularly complain here about personal attacks, but
even when Rick does it, it doesn't seem to have much
effect.

[FairfieldLife] On mind, spiritual experience, enlightenment, and death

[whynotnow7]

Rick just posted this over on the BATGAP forum. I found it very helpful. It is 
longish but an easy read. FYI I don't know who Ramesh Balkesar or Wayne are:

Rick,

I just ran across a very precise exposition from Wayne on Ramesh Balsekar's 
concept of the thinking mind vs the working mind...I'm sending it cause there 
is much confusion about the place of mind or intellect on the journey..and 
thought it might clear things up..

Quote:

"The 'working mind' is as the name suggests, the aspect of the organism that 
does the work of keeping the organism functioning..It is the respository of 
genetic heritage, memory, knowledge, culture, identity, all of those qualities 
that are essential for day to day living...The working mind functions in 
accordance with it's programming..This programming is dynamic; it's an ongoing 
process whereby new information is being added to the mix all the time...and 
this remains in tact after enlightenment..

What Ramesh calls the 'thinking mind' is another term for what is commonly 
referred to as the ego..The thinking mind's sole function - the ONLY thing it 
does - is to claim the operation of the working mind as it's own doing and 
becomes involved in that operation to the extent solely of preserving 
itself...It's a false claimer of primacy or authorship which arises in 
virtually every human at the age of about two and a half..The ego/thinking mind 
authors nothing...There is no such thing as ego-created action..

The body/mind organism that is popularly called a sage, is one in which the 
thinking mind has died...Famous historical resurrections not withstanding, dead 
is dead and there is no possibility of return..That is my working definition 
for what constitutes an organism called the sage and what the event of 
enlightenment represents..It is that very precise occurrence...Therefore, far 
from being a superman, the sage is completely ordinary...In this model, the 
sage has not gained something more but rather is simply a human organism with 
one thing LESS...it is without the false sense of personal authorship"...
END QUOTE

For me, Ramesh was the most important of the modern day sages in that his 
clarity was unsurpassed...His writings were of enormous help in understanding 
the events that followed the awakening...He cuts through a lot of BS that 
people expound on the spiritual path..He is also quite specific about awakening 
vs enlightenmen which I'm in complete agreement with based on my own 
experience...So many misconceptions abound about this..so here's my favorite 
quote of his..

QUOTE:
"There is a prevalent notion that there can be awakening or realization that 
comes and goes and finally stabilizes after some time...I do not believe that 
there is such a thing as partial realization..I recognize that there is 
seeking.  I recognize there is intellectual understanding and there is 
spiritual experience, both of which are progressive and cumulative. And I 
recognize there is the final understanding, which is sudden irrevocable, AND 
AFTER WHICH, there can be no further process, in the same way that you cannot 
be more dead...You can only be dead; you can't be dead plus...Once dead, there 
is no question of stabilizing into your deadness...And realization or the final 
understanding is exactly like that...

In my definition of this final understanding, gradual or evolutionary 
enlightenment is not possible...What that refers to is this unveiling process 
of seeking in which you have spiritual insights...In that stage, there are 
often very real spiritual experiences in which you know the oneness of 
things...Such experiences ebb, and then they often come back again...That's 
what I call the process of spiritual seeking...This process has increasingly 
been redefined as awakening or enlightenment...
In fact, much of the modern satsang movement is based on that model of 
spiritual experience, being called enlightenment...So after your spiritual 
experience has been officially declared enlightenment by someone who had their 
spiritual experience declared to be enlightenment by someone else who once flew 
over Lucknow, you are then urged to teach that to others as being awakening or 
enlightenment...

Part of the appeal of such a model is that the goal of virtually every seeker 
is to gain this enlightenment...Therefore, if you tell them that they gained 
it, everybody's happy because they're getting what they wanted, and they are 
happy with the teacher for giving it to them..If they're honest, and they say, 
well, this enlightenment, this experience that was so profound and important 
seems to have gone or ebbed, then the teacher says, well it isn't really gone, 
you're just settling into it or your learning how to accept it, or some similar 
explanation often accompannied by a supporting quote from a sage who has been 
dead long enough to no longer be controversial...
Implicit in the notion that enlightenment is progressive is that enlightenment 
is a state -

[FairfieldLife] Rumi Poem

[Rick Archer]

ZERO CIRCLE

Be helpless, dumbfounded,
Unable to say yes or no.
Then a stretcher will come from grace
To gather us up.

We are too dull-eyed to see that beauty.
If we say we can, we're lying.
If we say No, we don't see it,
That No will behead us
And shut tight our window onto spirit.

So let us rather not be sure of anything,
Beside ourselves, and only that, so
Miraculous being come running to help.
Crazed, lying in a zero circle, mute,
We shall be saying finally,
With tremendous eloquence, Lead us.
When we have totally surrendered to that beauty,
We shall be a mighty kindness.

  - RUMI -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[seventhray1]

Okay, I stand corrected.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
 wrote:
>
>
> seventhray1,
>
> Why are you mistrusting my words?
>
> Clearly,Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday (his Post is in the
Topic Discussion).
>
> I admitted making the mistake of " Admittedly, I failed to look at the
dates of the previous posts."
>
> Your accusation is unwarranted.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
> >  wrote:
> > > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous posts,
once
> > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday; but my mistake is
somewhat
> > offset by the real fact that written comments posted on the Internet
do
> > not expire...one more reason why some of the language could be
tamer.
> > Dan, remind me to call you next time I get in a tight spot and need
to
> > come up with a whopper of an explanation. "Officer, my dog must have
> > eaten the page out of drivers manuel about coming to a full stop.
Could
> > you cut me break this time?"
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[danfriedman2002]

seventhray1,

Why are you mistrusting my words?

Clearly,Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday (his Post is in the Topic 
Discussion).

I admitted making the mistake of " Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of 
the previous posts."

Your accusation is unwarranted.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> > Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous posts, once
> > Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday; but my mistake is somewhat
> offset by the real fact that written comments posted on the Internet do
> not expire...one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
> Dan, remind me to call you next time I get in a tight spot and need to
> come up with a whopper of an explanation.  "Officer, my dog must have
> eaten the page out of drivers manuel about coming to a full stop.  Could
> you cut me break this time?"
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Way of the Turgid Turnip

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Yesterday tartbrain posted an interesting comment. He said said that in
> his experience on Fairfield Life, only one person who has announced
> themselves as enlightened 

Claiming that Existence is Enlightened makes no sense. Claiming oneself to be 
Enlightened is just plain funny.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I agree it is all about wholeness running the 
> show.:-) 


So let me see if I have finally understood your point: Wholness is running the 
Show. The DL is to blame for poorly running the show.  Ergo, the DL is 
Wholeness. 
  

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I was being ironic. The World Plan does seem to have failed though. 
> > 
> > This particular post of mine regarding the DL only discusses events 
> > concerning him up to 1959. I will have to admit that my knowledge of this 
> > particular aspect of history is not complete enough to analyse the 
> > situation well, but this discussion of the DL and the relationship of Tibet 
> > to China seems over simplistic. Whether one is a great leader, or a total 
> > incompetent, having your small country invaded by an ideologically 
> > motivated army of vast and superior technology and size is probably not 
> > something that could be stopped. 
> > 
> > The bullies won.
> > 
> > I do not hold Maharishi responsible for this at all. As I quoted in another 
> > post, 'For know that no one is free, except Zeus.' a quote from Aeschylus: 
> > This means that in the activity of the world, only the whole is responsible 
> > for what happens. Individuality and individual bodies moving about are 
> > puppets that think they matter.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due 
> > > to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. 
> > > Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary 
> > > responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all 
> > > of the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind 
> > > of falls apart.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> > > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> > > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > > > 
> > > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > > > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > > > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> > > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > > > 
> > > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> > > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> > > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> > > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> > > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > > > wise one in the circumstances.
> > > > 
> > > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> > > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > > > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour 
> > > > that
> > > > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals 
> > > > and
> > > > society.
> > > > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> > > > 
> > > > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> > > > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> > > > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> > > > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> > > > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[danfriedman2002]

Judy,

I hadn't intentionally gone 'digging up oldies' After Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
(anartaxius)had reopened the Discussion Topic yesterday,
and I sent replies.

Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous posts, once
Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday; but my mistake is somewhat offset by 
the real fact that written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...one 
more reason why some of the language could be tamer.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I am glad to hear that you two are getting on well. My comment
> > is more directed to the kind of exchange that I've seen over
> > the years on FFL. If I do "protest too much", I apologize. I
> > just wanted to get my two cents in for civility.
> > 
> > But if civility is the new normal here on FFL, I'm as happy
> > as a clam.
> 
> Oh, I wouldn't go that far. But the old one you quoted
> was really pretty exceptional in its grossitude; I think
> Joe would be embarrassed to be reminded of it.
> 
> If you want to go on a civility crusade, there are plenty
> of recent examples to denounce. Digging up oldies is never
> a very effective way to affect current trends.
> 
> In any case, rotsa ruck.
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Gee, Dan, the post you quote is from way back in 2006.
> > > Joe (geezerfreak) and I are on good terms these days.
>

[FairfieldLife] Endless War

[raunchydog]

"Reading Mr Malcolm Muggeridge's brilliant and depressing book, The Thirties, I 
thought of a rather cruel trick I once played on a wasp. He was sucking jam on 
my plate, and I cut him in half. He paid no attention, merely went on with his 
meal, while a tiny stream of jam trickled out of his severed œsophagus. Only 
when he tried to fly away did he grasp the dreadful thing that had happened to 
him. It is the same with modern man. The thing that has been cut away is his 
soul, and there was a period — twenty years, perhaps — during which he did not 
notice it."

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/notes/english/e_notew

"Tucked inside the National Defense Authorization Act, being marked up by the 
House Armed Services Committee this week, is a hugely important provision that 
hasn't been getting a lot of attention — a brand new authorization for a 
worldwide war."

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/unchecked-executive-war-power-could-slip-through-house

"Congressional majorities support Washington's imperial agenda, including 
global militarization against potential challengers and America's main rivals - 
China and Russia, encircling them belligerently with bases and strategic 
weapons. It's a policy fraught with danger."

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/encircling-russia-us-bases

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
 wrote:
> Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous posts, once
> Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday; but my mistake is somewhat
offset by the real fact that written comments posted on the Internet do
not expire...one more reason why some of the language could be tamer.
Dan, remind me to call you next time I get in a tight spot and need to
come up with a whopper of an explanation.  "Officer, my dog must have
eaten the page out of drivers manuel about coming to a full stop.  Could
you cut me break this time?"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> I found long ago that words do not come close to describing my
existence and experience. I no longer try to capture the ocean in a
mason jar.

I notice you didn't say bell jar. Interesting (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Doomsday Message From "Raja" John Konhaus today

[danfriedman2002]

seventhray1,

Xenophaneros Anartaxius (anartaxius)had reopened the Discussion Topic 
yesterday, and I sent replies. I wouldn't expect that to open myself to 
ridicule.

Admittedly, I failed to look at the dates of the previous posts, once 
Xenophaneros Anartaxius replied yesterday; but my mistake is somewhat offset by 
the real fact that written comments posted on the Internet do not expire...one 
more reason why some of the language could be tamer.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Dan, you are like opening yourself to the ridicule you claim you are
> tryng to lessen.   Do you think it would be better to try to be a little
> more current than 2006?  Your middle name isn't Hatfield or McCoy is it?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I am glad to hear that you two are getting on well. My comment is more
> directed to the kind of exchange that I've seen over the years on FFL.
> If I do "protest too much", I apologize. I just wanted to get my two
> cents in for civility.
> >
> > But if civility is the new normal here on FFL, I'm as happy as a clam.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Gee, Dan, the post you quote is from way back in 2006.
> > > Joe (geezerfreak) and I are on good terms these days.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > > How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and
> > > > > gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein,
> > > > > henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all
> knowledge.
> > > > > No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to
> see her
> > > > > brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness.
> > > >
> > > > Geezerfreak, your language broadcasts who you are.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"
> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"
> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
>  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No, I've never been heavily involved in the TMO.
> > > > > > > > > However, every list of cult criteria I've ever
> > > > > > > > > read--and that's quite a few by now--includes
> > > > > > > > > items that do not conform to what I *do* know
> > > > > > > > > about the TMO.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Like, for example, what I just pointed out (but
> > > > > > > > > you failed to address) about Kramer's scheme. It
> > > > > > > > > simply doesn't fit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You've never been involved in the TMO? So you've never
> spent
> > > > > > > > lengthy time around MMY, right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, I was trying to dialog with the wrong person. I
> have no
> > > > > > > > interest at all in engaging in one of your endless,
> pointless (and
> > > > > > > > boring)diatribes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Translation: Gee, she made a point I have no way to
> > > > > > > rebut. I tried to ignore it, but she brought it up
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WhatamIgonnado? Hey, I know, I'll just beat a hasty
> > > > > > > retreat and call what she said a "diatribe." And for
> > > > > > > good measure, I'll call the point she made that I can't
> > > > > > > rebut "endless, pointless, and boring," and I'll even
> > > > > > > delete it in the hope that nobody will remember what
> > > > > > > she said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, that's the ticket.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh my god Judy, thank you, I've seen the light. You are so
> > > > > > unbelievably brilliant! Have you ever thought of starting your
> own
> > > > > > movement? Can I join? Can I call you Raja Judy? Can I call you
> God?
> > > > > >
> > > > > How silly of meit was there from the beginning. Ladies and
> > > > > gentlemen,let me present the new sage of our times, Judy Stein,
> > > > > henceforth known as Her Royal Highness, Cuntanada.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me be clearCuntanada is the supreme source of all
> knowledge.
> > > > > No dissention will be allowed. Penalty for those that fail to
> see her
> > > > > brilliance will be an eternity in dialog with Her Highness.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[seventhray1]

Darn, would have been a much more interesting story if,

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for this - I enjoy astrology as an interesting perspective on
each of us, though I have not had my chart done, either Western or
Eastern. Oddly, about twenty years ago, at the time I was somewhat
interested in the idea of jyotish as a tool for finding answers to my
life, I knew a TM teacher who complained that she should be married by
now, and so I married her.

according to her chart. I pretty much decided then that my continued
path of homegrown intuition was a better (and less expensive) choice. I
too agree with confirmation bias playing a strong role in our
interpretation of astrology - I can read almost anything about planetary
influences and find some of it applies to me.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In jyotish I am Pisces, In western I am Aries. Nothing much really
going on in Gemini in either.
> >
> > I do have a debilitated and combust Mercury in First, conjunct rahu
and sun (though some have said the debilitation is actually a yoga
because of this or that, which flips the debilitation and makes Mercury
stronger). And its in house of Jupiter, ascendant which makes it
stronger.
> >
> > And some say Mercury has that quality of seeing things from multiple
angles.
> >
> > IF (IF!) there is anything to jyotish -- I view it as a map of
karma, if anything -- it probably makes me a bit quirky (gee, have you
noticed, ha). My bundle of prarabdha karma is what it is. A fun life
trip as it unwinds.
> >
> > Here is some stuff on Jyotish Mercury. I am sure the Confirmation
Bias
> > Challenged among us (raise your hands, "see almost everyone") will
have a heyday in confirming what they see in me (debilititated vs "in
yoga" Mercury).
> >
> > And Confirmation Bias is fascinating. I have noticed some will pull
out the most vague or insignificant point in a large post and jump up
and down excitedly "See! See! I told you so. This person is JUST like I
said he/she was." One out of 100 points is all they see. And highly
prevalent in world. It can make the work place fascinating.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > "According to Jyotish Shastaras, the planet Mercury is very
disciplined and intelligent. Usually, Mercury behaves in a very mature
manner. Many a times, it behaves like a very rational entity. Mercury by
nature is artistic. It's nature is very receptive, and in most of the
cases, cordial. Another interesting part is that it can be humorous,
nervous, kind hearted and rational. Apart from that, Mercury is really
an extrovert (vocal). By personality, Mercury is receptive and sociable.
Not only it is analytical, but also professional in nature. It has a
multi-faceted personality. Thus, this can easily adapt in any situation
whatsoever."
> >
> > When Mercury is Strong & Positive
> > On can find a great influence of Budha (Mercury) on the native.
Under the good influence of Mercury, the person becomes highly
intelligent, and able to discharge any given assignment on the fixed
time. Under the influence of Budha a person becomes punctual in
approach, and ever attentive.
> >
> > More so, related to Mercury (Budha), a person also has the chance of
receiving a higher education and the capability to take decisions on his
own in a difficult situation. People favorably influenced by a strong
Budha lead a highly intellectual life.
> >
> > Mercury also imparts rational thoughts to the native, the person may
also become an expert in his or her field. Persons under the Effect of
Mercury (Budha) enter into all kinds of fields from medicine to sports,
from engineering to teaching. Thanks to Mercury's influence the person
develops leadership qualities too. Once he makes a decision; he does
that in a proper manner.
> >
> > If the Effect of Mercury is very strong in a person, he/she is able
to have a strong persuasive quality. This is very beneficial in any kind
of work. By nature, under the Effect of Mercury (Budha), he believes in
the business culture. Furthermore, he can take decisions on the spot.
Others do not easily influence him. People in the influence of Mercury
are very literary minded by nature.
> >
> > He will carry their newness and innovation along with them wherever
they go and surprise everybody with their sharp intellect. He may also
try to solve the disputes of society, wherever he is living under
Mercury's influence on the native. Besides, one can never see him moving
around and wasting his time.
> >
> >
> > When Mercury is weak and afflicted
> >
> > Under the influence of weak and afflicted Mercury, an individual
also becomes negative. And the negative part of his personality becomes
dominant. The person may be talkative in nature. He might be ill
tempered, sarcastic and, in many cases, never completes his education.
> > Further, a person born under the weak Effect of Mercury is not
rational in his approach. He develops a lot of problem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[seventhray1]

Ah!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> What am I trying to achieve Steve?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim, is your approach working for whatever you are trying to
achieve?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Blindness doesn't work either tart.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"

> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's
relatively
> > minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the
room.
> > OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things.
Granted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE
COUNTRY OF
> > TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his
> > countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured,
imprisoned,
> > and slaughtered, on the pretext of "fighting for a free Tibet" (from
a
> > distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see
Tibet
> > getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse.
By
> > continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is
> > bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the
> > Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson
> > (Nation Books ISBN1568586019):
> > > > > > "Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral
figure
> > but with a tragic dimension — he captures worldwide fame and
brings
> > Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades
of
> > repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a
> > monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can
> > continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in
> > Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus
instead
> > on how "TM doesn't work" and "Maharishi charges too much for
> > meditation", he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL
and
> > other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet.
> > Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration
> > on…on…MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced
or
> > taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically
> > distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's
> > destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero,
the
> > Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI
YUGA
> > "MR. NICE GUY". Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's an interesting analysis.
> > > > > Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi
and
> > the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly
a
> > coincidence.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of
> > spirituality that I aspire to or seek.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Sure - first he ran away and next he agitated from afar. He is responsible 
> for far more suffering than Maharishi ever was. I don't have anything against 
> the guy - I am sure he is a fine person to have a beer or cup of tea with. 
> This focus on the transgressions of MMY though is a red herring when it comes 
> to Bozotronic Barry and Vaj. At least the issue is being discussed now and 
> challenged vs. the last five years of monotonous and misplaced bashing of all 
> things TM by these two fools.:-) 


That's right, and the two of them has been vey quiet lately. Perhaps they 
feel embarressed by being caught red-handed, so to speak.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I agree it is all about wholeness running the 
show.:-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> I was being ironic. The World Plan does seem to have failed though. 
> 
> This particular post of mine regarding the DL only discusses events 
> concerning him up to 1959. I will have to admit that my knowledge of this 
> particular aspect of history is not complete enough to analyse the situation 
> well, but this discussion of the DL and the relationship of Tibet to China 
> seems over simplistic. Whether one is a great leader, or a total incompetent, 
> having your small country invaded by an ideologically motivated army of vast 
> and superior technology and size is probably not something that could be 
> stopped. 
> 
> The bullies won.
> 
> I do not hold Maharishi responsible for this at all. As I quoted in another 
> post, 'For know that no one is free, except Zeus.' a quote from Aeschylus: 
> This means that in the activity of the world, only the whole is responsible 
> for what happens. Individuality and individual bodies moving about are 
> puppets that think they matter.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due 
> > to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. 
> > Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary 
> > responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all 
> > of the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of 
> > falls apart.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > > 
> > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > > 
> > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > > wise one in the circumstances.
> > > 
> > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > > 
> > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that
> > > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and
> > > society.
> > > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> > > 
> > > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> > > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> > > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> > > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> > > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems
> > > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors.
> > >
> >
>

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[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > OK pissant. But do you transcend the transcendent?
> 
> I found long ago that words do not come close to describing 
> my existence and experience. I no longer try to capture the 
> ocean in a mason jar. 

I captured the ocean in a conch shell once. I can
still hear it in there when I hold the shell up 
to my ear. It sounds a little pissed off at being 
confined all this time. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I was being ironic. The World Plan does seem to have failed though. 

This particular post of mine regarding the DL only discusses events concerning 
him up to 1959. I will have to admit that my knowledge of this particular 
aspect of history is not complete enough to analyse the situation well, but 
this discussion of the DL and the relationship of Tibet to China seems over 
simplistic. Whether one is a great leader, or a total incompetent, having your 
small country invaded by an ideologically motivated army of vast and superior 
technology and size is probably not something that could be stopped. 

The bullies won.

I do not hold Maharishi responsible for this at all. As I quoted in another 
post, 'For know that no one is free, except Zeus.' a quote from Aeschylus: This 
means that in the activity of the world, only the whole is responsible for what 
happens. Individuality and individual bodies moving about are puppets that 
think they matter.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due to 
> the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. Two, 
> Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary 
> responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all of 
> the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of 
> falls apart.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > 
> > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > 
> > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > wise one in the circumstances.
> > 
> > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > 
> > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that
> > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and
> > society.
> > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> > 
> > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems
> > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

I am not advocating war or its lack. War is a natural condition that arises 
when environmental stress reaches a breaking point, based on the consciousness 
of the people involved. These days it is far too common, though declining in 
overall fatalities worldwide.

I have heard that the Tibetan Buddhist leaders foresaw their overthrow many 
years in advance. Rather than preparing for this eventuality (perhaps by 
aligning themselves with another powerful nation), they did nothing, content to 
continue their domination of the Tibetan people through a feudal form of 
government. I am not playing "armchair quarterback", though I am pointing out 
the inability of the DL or his cronies to prevent this outcome.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > "How did he lose Tibet?" Incompetence probably, and by running away.
> > 
> 
> 
> Thats what i was afraid your answer would be. "Running away" from a massive 
> army that would have crushed tibet's farmer with pitch forks army lost Tibet? 
> You totally lost me there. As does your apparent bias that war violence 
> solves ANYTHING long run. 
> 
> I love that DL is among the few persons that i have ever heard that gives 
> some credence and recognition to the notion that violence ultimately only 
> begets violence. And a recognition that violence raining upon oneself or 
> country was created previously.  Why shoot the messenger. Shooting the 
> messenger simple keeps the cycle of violence alive. See how retributive 
> violence has been in the middle east. It ONLY creates wave after wave, cycle 
> after cycle of unending violence. it does nothing to create lasting peace.
> 
> Look at all of the (mostly) non-violent revolutions, velvet revolutions of 
> the past 30 years. Phillippines, Eastern Europe, former USSR,  Middle East -- 
> and is growing momentum through the world. Do you think violent confrontation 
> with massive well equiped armies by ill armed untrained  citizens in the 
> streets would have, could have produced the same results?
>  
> Go slug someone in the street and see what happens. If not today, then 
> sometime down the road. Go insult someone on FFL and see if that is met in 
> kind. See if it solves or improves the situation. Or changes the behavior or 
> the insultee.
> 
> Violence begets more violence. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp. You 
> can talk of defensive wars all you like, but most wars, in US case at least, 
> are reaction to bad stuff that occurred due to US prior poor moves. Sorry but 
> Civil War, Spanish American war, WWI, WWII, Korea war, Vietnam, Iraq were all 
> avoidable or discretionary offensive wars. 
> 
> The only true defense to to have all nations and communities love you.   That 
> was MMY's message and DL's message. And I beleive Ammas message and SSRS's 
> and many others. That is achieved by sustained acts of good will, not 
> supporting dictatorial regimes that smother human dignity and rights. If all 
> the dollars wasted in Iraq and Afghanastan were spend in building and 
> sustaining educational institutions and life long learning accessible by 
> citizens of those country (accessible does not solely mean built in those 
> countries) we would be light years ahead of where we are today in achieving 
> real, sustain peace in the middle east.  
> 
> Why we have so many here who love war (some even extol war and militarism as 
> a national virtue -- the heart of fascism) is a wonder.
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "wrathful compassion"?? Are you kidding me, fool?? LOL your kids must 
> > > > just love you dude...In any case wrathful compassion is reserved as a 
> > > > tool for realized beings, not angry lost little boys like you.
> > > > 
> > > > HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet
> > > 
> > > How did he lose Tibet?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > and you AND he are unable to face this. Maharishi is gone, but His 
> > > > Helplessness the Dalai Lama continues to bring misery and destruction 
> > > > on the people of Tibet. Face it.:-) 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > On May 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, emptybill wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > What "V - We are of Peace" is not telling you is that almost all 
> > > > > > Buddhist teachers tell their students not to indulge in disputes 
> > > > > > with students or teachers of other traditions of practice or other 
> > > > > > forms of meditation, whether Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or other. 
> > > > > > While they will do an analysis of another tradition's "tenets" they 
> > > > > > leave it at that. They are not called either to proselytize or to 
> > > > > > attack other traditions of spiritual practice. They are only called 
> > > > > > to do their own sadhana. Th

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[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> OK pissant. But do you transcend the transcendent?

I found long ago that words do not come close to describing my existence and 
experience. I no longer try to capture the ocean in a mason jar. However, if 
you are finding success with that, best wishes for success in those endeavors.

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[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>

> > > > > > On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF
> > TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his
> > countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned,
> > and slaughtered, on the pretext of "fighting for a free Tibet" (from a
> > distance, of course). ...
 > >By
> > continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is
> > bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the
> > Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a
> > monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. 


Holy meltdown Batman!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

Thanks for this - I enjoy astrology as an interesting perspective on each of 
us, though I have not had my chart done, either Western or Eastern. Oddly, 
about twenty years ago, at the time I was somewhat interested in the idea of 
jyotish as a tool for finding answers to my life, I knew a TM teacher who 
complained that she should be married by now, according to her chart. I pretty 
much decided then that my continued path of homegrown intuition was a better 
(and less expensive) choice. I too agree with confirmation bias playing a 
strong role in our interpretation of astrology - I can read almost anything 
about planetary influences and find some of it applies to me. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> In jyotish I am Pisces, In western I am Aries. Nothing much really going on 
> in Gemini in either. 
> 
> I do have a debilitated and combust Mercury in First, conjunct rahu and sun 
> (though some have said the debilitation is actually a yoga because of this or 
> that, which flips the debilitation and makes Mercury stronger).  And its in 
> house of Jupiter, ascendant which makes it stronger.
> 
> And some say Mercury has that quality of seeing things from multiple angles. 
> 
> IF (IF!) there is anything to jyotish -- I view it as a map of karma, if 
> anything -- it probably makes me a bit quirky (gee, have you noticed, ha). My 
> bundle of prarabdha karma is what it is. A fun life trip as it unwinds. 
> 
> Here is some stuff on Jyotish Mercury. I am sure the Confirmation Bias 
>  Challenged among us (raise your hands, "see almost everyone") will have a 
> heyday in confirming what they see in me (debilititated vs "in yoga" 
> Mercury). 
> 
> And Confirmation Bias is fascinating. I have noticed some will pull out the 
> most vague or insignificant point in a large post and jump up and down 
> excitedly "See! See! I told you so. This person is JUST like I said he/she 
> was." One out of 100 points is all they see. And highly prevalent in world. 
> It can make the work place fascinating.
> 
> ---
> 
> "According to Jyotish Shastaras, the planet Mercury is very disciplined and 
> intelligent. Usually, Mercury behaves in a very mature manner. Many a times, 
> it behaves like a very rational entity. Mercury by nature is artistic. It's 
> nature is very receptive, and in most of the cases, cordial. Another 
> interesting part is that it can be humorous, nervous, kind hearted and 
> rational. Apart from that, Mercury is really an extrovert (vocal). By 
> personality, Mercury is receptive and sociable. Not only it is analytical, 
> but also professional in nature. It has a multi-faceted personality. Thus, 
> this can easily adapt in any situation whatsoever."
> 
> When Mercury is Strong & Positive
> On can find a great influence of Budha (Mercury) on the native. Under the 
> good influence of Mercury, the person becomes highly intelligent, and able to 
> discharge any given assignment on the fixed time. Under the influence of 
> Budha a person becomes punctual in approach, and ever attentive.
> 
> More so, related to Mercury (Budha), a person also has the chance of 
> receiving a higher education and the capability to take decisions on his own 
> in a difficult situation. People favorably influenced by a strong Budha lead 
> a highly intellectual life.
> 
> Mercury also imparts rational thoughts to the native, the person may also 
> become an expert in his or her field. Persons under the Effect of Mercury 
> (Budha) enter into all kinds of fields from medicine to sports, from 
> engineering to teaching. Thanks to Mercury's influence the person develops 
> leadership qualities too. Once he makes a decision; he does that in a proper 
> manner.
> 
> If the Effect of Mercury is very strong in a person, he/she is able to have a 
> strong persuasive quality. This is very beneficial in any kind of work. By 
> nature, under the Effect of Mercury (Budha), he believes in the business 
> culture. Furthermore, he can take decisions on the spot. Others do not easily 
> influence him. People in the influence of Mercury are very literary minded by 
> nature.
> 
> He will carry their newness and innovation along with them wherever they go 
> and surprise everybody with their sharp intellect. He may also try to solve 
> the disputes of society, wherever he is living under Mercury's influence on 
> the native. Besides, one can never see him moving around and wasting his time.
> 
> 
> When Mercury is weak and afflicted
> 
> Under the influence of weak and afflicted Mercury, an individual also becomes 
> negative. And the negative part of his personality becomes dominant. The 
> person may be talkative in nature. He might be ill tempered, sarcastic and, 
> in many cases, never completes his education.
> Further, a person born under the weak Effect of Mercury is not rational in 
> his approach. He develops a lot of problems for himself and for society. He 
> can become ungrateful and fraud

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

Sure - first he ran away and next he agitated from afar. He is responsible for 
far more suffering than Maharishi ever was. I don't have anything against the 
guy - I am sure he is a fine person to have a beer or cup of tea with. This 
focus on the transgressions of MMY though is a red herring when it comes to 
Bozotronic Barry and Vaj. At least the issue is being discussed now and 
challenged vs. the last five years of monotonous and misplaced bashing of all 
things TM by these two fools.:-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due 
> > to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama.
> 
> Well pre-strausberg 1988 he advocated independence, in the 23 years since he 
> has advocated autonomy based on a mandate of Tibetians.
> 
> Your response to several questions as to how DL lost Tibet bring odd answers. 
> You claim that the DL lost Tibet by not standing up to a much stronger and 
> ruthless Chinese Army. Yet he also lost it by standing up too strongly too 
> the Chinese  and advocating independence and the softened it to autonomy. 
> Does that really make sense to you Jim?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary 
> responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all of 
> the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of 
> falls apart.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > > 
> > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > > 
> > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > > wise one in the circumstances.
> > > 
> > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > > 
> > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that
> > > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and
> > > society.
> > > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> > > 
> > > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> > > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> > > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> > > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> > > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems
> > > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj�s attacks on MMY distract from the world�s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due to 
> the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama.

Well pre-strausberg 1988 he advocated independence, in the 23 years since he 
has advocated autonomy based on a mandate of Tibetians.

Your response to several questions as to how DL lost Tibet bring odd answers. 
You claim that the DL lost Tibet by not standing up to a much stronger and 
ruthless Chinese Army. Yet he also lost it by standing up too strongly too the 
Chinese  and advocating independence and the softened it to autonomy. Does that 
really make sense to you Jim?




 Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary 
responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all of 
the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of falls 
apart.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> > 
> > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> > official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> > must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> > 
> > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> > wise one in the circumstances.
> > 
> > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> > 
> > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> > 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that
> > brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and
> > society.
> > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> > 
> > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems
> > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors.
> >
>

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[whynotnow7]

A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due to 
the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. Two, Tibet 
is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary responsibility. If 
you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all of the evil state 
governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of falls apart.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about
> 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great
> statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct
> him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very
> complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a
> spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure.
> Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then?
> 
> While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was
> much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet.
> According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every
> official within the Palace….was that my life must be saved and I
> must leave the Palace and the city at once……Everything was
> uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away
> before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began".
> 
> I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this
> as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY
> distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends
> everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better
> known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that
> was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a
> spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of
> himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a
> wise one in the circumstances.
> 
> Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates
> the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this
> generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are:
> 
> 1. To develop the full potential of the individual.
> 2. To improve governmental achievements.
> 3. To realise the highest ideal of education.
> 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that
> brings unhappiness to the family of man.
> 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment.
> 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and
> society.
> 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation.
> 
> These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the
> world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone,
> whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than
> others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's
> traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems
> considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

What am I trying to achieve Steve?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Jim, is your approach working for whatever you are trying to achieve?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Blindness doesn't work either tart.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Vaj's MO is to always keep the focus on Maharishi's relatively
> minor failings vs. having us notice the 400 pound gorilla in the room.
> OK, Maharishi had girlfriends and did other unethical things. Granted.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, THE DALAI LAMA SOLD OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF
> TIBET. First he lost the country to China, then ran away as his
> countrymen and fellow monks were systematically tortured, imprisoned,
> and slaughtered, on the pretext of "fighting for a free Tibet" (from a
> distance, of course). That was over FIFTY YEARS AGO.I don't see Tibet
> getting any freer in the meantime, do you? In fact just the reverse. By
> continually agitating for rebellion, all the Dalai Lama has done is
> bring increasing hardships to his former people and ensure that the
> Chinese continue to crack down HARD on the Tibetan region.
> > > > >
> > > > > From a review of Tim Johnson's new book, Tragedy In Crimson
> (Nation Books ISBN1568586019):
> > > > > "Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a global moral figure
> but with a tragic dimension — he captures worldwide fame and brings
> Hollywood figures to his side, but can do little to end six decades of
> repression against six million Tibetans living under Chinese rule."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is clear by now that Tibet will never be free. This is a
> monstrous and huge injustice by the Dalai Lama. However if Vaj can
> continue to turn our attention away from the millions slaughtered in
> Tibet as the result of the DL's misguided intentions and focus instead
> on how "TM doesn't work" and "Maharishi charges too much for
> meditation", he is accomplishing what he set out to do here on FFL and
> other forums. Don't look at poor, miserable, downright fucked Tibet.
> Instead focus all that misplaced anger and frustration
> on…on…MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. Yeah, that's the ticket!
> > > > >
> > > > > Vaj is a fraud and a liar. The guy never learned, practiced or
> taught TM. He has learned though how to build a fantastically
> distracting story about Maharishi and TM, attempting to mask Tibet's
> destruction as a result of the egomaniacal intentions of his hero, the
> Dalai Lama. Sorry Vaj, but WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND THAT KALI YUGA
> "MR. NICE GUY". Oh, and as Maharishi used to say, JAI GURU DEV.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's an interesting analysis.
> > > > Everyone knows that the 2 most fanatic critics of Maharishi and
> the TMO, Turq and Vaj are both so-called Buddhists, which is hardly a
> coincidence.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Intolerance of other religions and POVs is not the hallmark of
> spirituality that I aspire to or seek.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj’s attacks on MMY distract from the world’s biggest spiritual failure, the DL

[whynotnow7]

He isn't evil, Bozotronic Barry, just incompetent.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 28, 2011, at 6:27 PM, tartbrain wrote:
> >
> > > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HHDL is also distracting us, you incredible phony. He lost Tibet
> > >
> > > How did he lose Tibet?
> >
> > It fell out of his pocket one day as he was
> > giving a lecture. :)
> >
> > I'm surprised you don't know this, tart.
> > I thought it was common knowledge.
> 
> Evil bastid.
> 
>   [[political-pictures-dalai-lama-crouching.jpg]]
>

[FairfieldLife] Bozotronic Barry, spiritual failure [was Re: The Way of the Turgid Turnip]

[whynotnow7]

This post demonstrates both how little Bozotronic Barry knows about 
enlightenment or self-realization, and how envious he is of those who live this 
state. And, once again, instead of pursuing his own spiritual growth, he just 
comes up with a lame satire. LOL.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Yesterday tartbrain posted an interesting comment. He said said that in
> his experience on Fairfield Life, only one person who has announced
> themselves as enlightened has NOT followed up that announcement by
> exhibiting anger or spewing insults in 1000 plus posts. While this kind
> of thinking is laudable from a New Age wuss point of view, I think that
> tart is Off The Program here, and missing out of the true history of how
> to announce one's enlightenment in such a way that others believe it and
> react in the way that the announcer was hoping for, with adulation, awe,
> and blind belief in his or her higher-than-thou state of consciousness
> and spokesperson for Cosmic Truth. Thus I post a corrective scripture,
> written in Sanskrit on the back of a Vedic era candy bar wrapper found
> in a Hindu temple in Bangalore, that explains the true Vedic Science of
> proclaiming one's enlightenment in an effective manner. Listen up, tart,
> and hopefully learn how deluded your comment was.
> 
> The Way of the Turgid Turnip
> or, How to Convince People You're Enlightened
> 
> 1. Claim to be enlightened. Don't leave this necessary first step out,
> because...well...you can't really prove that you're enlightened if you
> haven't announced your enlightenment. Duh.
> 
> 2. When people react to your announcement with a hearty "That's nice.
> What did you think of the Barcelona-Manchester United game last night?"
> instead of the awe and reverence you were hoping for, get all pissed off
> and defensive. This will demonstrate to them how enlightened you are,
> and how unattached.
> 
> 3. If someone asks for some kind of "proof" of your claimed enlightened
> status, put them down. What kind of low-vibe scum would ask for proof
> from someone who claims to be better and higher and more highly evolved
> than they are?
> 
> 4. Ignore all questions from such low-vibe scum like "Well...how do you
> 'know' (as you claim to) that you are enlightened?" or "Is it possible
> that you could be mistaken?" That's just ignorance speaking, and you've
> got better things to do, like putting down low-vibe scum who don't treat
> you the way you think you should be treated.
> 
> 5. Speak in pronouncements. Never back up anything you say with
> references to books or teachings by other supposedly enlightened beings.
> That kinda stuff is for wusses who doubt their own enlightenment.
> Instead, just say shit as if it should stand on its own as the Cosmic
> Truth you know it is.
> 
> 6. Claim to revere your own teacher or mentor, while demonstrating a
> complete lack of understanding of what he or she taught. The more you
> can demonstrate how little you know about what they actually taught, the
> more you demonstrate how free you are from the bondage of dogma.
> Whenever possible, make pronouncements about what your teacher or mentor
> taught that are the complete opposite of what that teacher or mentor
> taught; that'll get the scoffers.
> 
> 7. Deal with scoffers or doubters who push your buttons and cause you to
> lash out in completely dharmic Righteous Anger by trying to do the same
> thing to them. Try to imagine that they are attached to some dead
> teacher the way you are and insult the dead teacher, or the live one if
> he's still alive. or the religions or traditions they might have
> founded. If you have an intuition (which by definition cannot be wrong,
> because after all it's *you* having the intuition) that the scoffers are
> fond of something, like listening to music or watching movies, insult
> those things and expose them as the low-vibe, based-in-ignorance
> diversions from reality they are.
> 
> 8. If the scoffers fail to react to your provocations with the anger and
> attachment you're hoping for, keep doing it. When it comes to exposing
> them as lower and less evolved than you are, repetition is the mother of
> retention. Pick what you think is a stinging putdown of the scoffer that
> settles everything and ends any speculation about their low-vibeitude
> and, if others on the forum still treat them as if they liked them or
> occasionally enjoyed their posts, keep repeating the stinging putdown
> over and over until the putdown works. This has the side effect of
> showing how unattached *you* are, and how focused on the dharma of
> Righteous Anger you are. The scoffers are so unfocused that they can't
> even be provoked into lashing out, unlike the enlightened.
> 
> 9. Make shit up about the scoffers. Claim, for example, that you have
> incontrovertible proof that they are child molesters because you found
> their names on a database of sexual offenders that you don't have access
> to. It doe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tibetan art at the Newark Museum, NJ

[whynotnow7]

One thing I must say in favor of all religions is that they produce beautiful 
works of art.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> This museum in Newark, NJ has a wonderful and large collection of Tibetan 
> art, including a Tibetan altar consecrated by HHDL in the early 90's and then 
> resanctified by him again a few weeks ago. The handpainting in the altar room 
> on the moldings, pillars and ceiling is gorgeous and colorful and full of 
> symbols and animals and flowers and vines.  Many many Thangkas and mandalas 
> and statues, most brought back from Tibet in the 1930's from destroyed 
> monasteries.  Today, with everyone going to the beach in this heat, the place 
> was nearly deserted and silent and special.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: All Religions are False

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> 
> > > > We recall that Buddha said he attained nothing from supreme
> > > > enlightenment.
> > > 
> > > A statement with many levels of meaning, some of which
> > > most likely depend on one's state of consciousness.
> > 
> > I think this statement is literally meant.
> 
> Well, it's in translation, first of all. We'd probably
> need to see whether the word here translated as 
> "nothing" had other shades of meaning in the original.
> Is it the same word that is also translated "emptiness"?
> How about "no-self"?
> 

 Buddha replied – "Nothing. I have gained nothing".

The skeptic continued – "So what is the use of this meditation?"

The Buddha smiled and said – "Well, I may have not gained anything, but I have 
lost a lot! I have lost anger, depression, ill-health, fear of old age and fear 
of death. So, now, you can decide if you want to meditate or not!"

[FairfieldLife] The Way of the Turgid Turnip

[turquoiseb]

Yesterday tartbrain posted an interesting comment. He said said that in
his experience on Fairfield Life, only one person who has announced
themselves as enlightened has NOT followed up that announcement by
exhibiting anger or spewing insults in 1000 plus posts. While this kind
of thinking is laudable from a New Age wuss point of view, I think that
tart is Off The Program here, and missing out of the true history of how
to announce one's enlightenment in such a way that others believe it and
react in the way that the announcer was hoping for, with adulation, awe,
and blind belief in his or her higher-than-thou state of consciousness
and spokesperson for Cosmic Truth. Thus I post a corrective scripture,
written in Sanskrit on the back of a Vedic era candy bar wrapper found
in a Hindu temple in Bangalore, that explains the true Vedic Science of
proclaiming one's enlightenment in an effective manner. Listen up, tart,
and hopefully learn how deluded your comment was.

The Way of the Turgid Turnip
or, How to Convince People You're Enlightened

1. Claim to be enlightened. Don't leave this necessary first step out,
because...well...you can't really prove that you're enlightened if you
haven't announced your enlightenment. Duh.

2. When people react to your announcement with a hearty "That's nice.
What did you think of the Barcelona-Manchester United game last night?"
instead of the awe and reverence you were hoping for, get all pissed off
and defensive. This will demonstrate to them how enlightened you are,
and how unattached.

3. If someone asks for some kind of "proof" of your claimed enlightened
status, put them down. What kind of low-vibe scum would ask for proof
from someone who claims to be better and higher and more highly evolved
than they are?

4. Ignore all questions from such low-vibe scum like "Well...how do you
'know' (as you claim to) that you are enlightened?" or "Is it possible
that you could be mistaken?" That's just ignorance speaking, and you've
got better things to do, like putting down low-vibe scum who don't treat
you the way you think you should be treated.

5. Speak in pronouncements. Never back up anything you say with
references to books or teachings by other supposedly enlightened beings.
That kinda stuff is for wusses who doubt their own enlightenment.
Instead, just say shit as if it should stand on its own as the Cosmic
Truth you know it is.

6. Claim to revere your own teacher or mentor, while demonstrating a
complete lack of understanding of what he or she taught. The more you
can demonstrate how little you know about what they actually taught, the
more you demonstrate how free you are from the bondage of dogma.
Whenever possible, make pronouncements about what your teacher or mentor
taught that are the complete opposite of what that teacher or mentor
taught; that'll get the scoffers.

7. Deal with scoffers or doubters who push your buttons and cause you to
lash out in completely dharmic Righteous Anger by trying to do the same
thing to them. Try to imagine that they are attached to some dead
teacher the way you are and insult the dead teacher, or the live one if
he's still alive. or the religions or traditions they might have
founded. If you have an intuition (which by definition cannot be wrong,
because after all it's *you* having the intuition) that the scoffers are
fond of something, like listening to music or watching movies, insult
those things and expose them as the low-vibe, based-in-ignorance
diversions from reality they are.

8. If the scoffers fail to react to your provocations with the anger and
attachment you're hoping for, keep doing it. When it comes to exposing
them as lower and less evolved than you are, repetition is the mother of
retention. Pick what you think is a stinging putdown of the scoffer that
settles everything and ends any speculation about their low-vibeitude
and, if others on the forum still treat them as if they liked them or
occasionally enjoyed their posts, keep repeating the stinging putdown
over and over until the putdown works. This has the side effect of
showing how unattached *you* are, and how focused on the dharma of
Righteous Anger you are. The scoffers are so unfocused that they can't
even be provoked into lashing out, unlike the enlightened.

9. Make shit up about the scoffers. Claim, for example, that you have
incontrovertible proof that they are child molesters because you found
their names on a database of sexual offenders that you don't have access
to. It doesn't matter whether the shit you make up is true or not, or
how ridiculous it is, because the people you're trying to convince that
you're enlightened just because you say you are are...let's face
it...are by definition not the sharpest crayons in the box. They'll
never notice that you made it up, and will agree with your claim of
"incontrovertible proof."

10. If the scoffers still don't treat you with the deference and awe to
which you'd like to become accustomed, start using a d

[FairfieldLife] Re: All Religions are False

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> 
> > > > We recall that Buddha said he attained nothing from supreme
> > > > enlightenment.
> > > 
> > > A statement with many levels of meaning, some of which
> > > most likely depend on one's state of consciousness.
> > 
> > I think this statement is literally meant.
> 
> Well, it's in translation, first of all. We'd probably
> need to see whether the word here translated as 
> "nothing" had other shades of meaning in the original.
> Is it the same word that is also translated "emptiness"?
> How about "no-self"?
> 

 Buddha replied – "Nothing. I have gained nothing".

The skeptic continued – "So what is the use of this meditation?"

The Buddha smiled and said – "Well, I may have not gained anything, but I have 
lost a lot! I have lost anger, depression, ill-health, fear of old age and fear 
of death. So, now, you can decide if you want to meditate or not!"