[FairfieldLife] Parody: Elizabeth Warren
Elizabeth Warren apologizes to Senator Scott Brown and promises to replace the pair of pants he shit when he found out he might have to run against her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu61aU4N8mMfeature=player_embedded
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012
Hey now, the bill had a tax surcharge on millionaires and they want to delay to make it even harder for the American people. I am thinking it is so funny that everyone keeps talking about the lower 99%. Seriously? Reads like an oxymoron to me. Another weird thing. There are ads on TV here that were running last week that have separately featured an African-American, Latino, and woman...each claiming with peaceful smiles that they are Mormon. I've never seen the Mormon faith advertised on TV before, although Mitt Romney is on his way to Seattle to chat with Microsoft this week. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012 Typo brain fart, kind, was meant to be can. LOL Sorry --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: What kind anyone expect if the generation was brainwashed with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBeOdLHSPU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: By voting against the jobs bill, Senate Republicans have shown where their allegiance lie. They are not for improving the economy and to provide jobs for Americans. Hence, discerning American citizens will overwhelmingly vote to re-elect President in 2012. http://news.yahoo.com/senate-republicans-vote-kill-obamas-jobs-bill-230811759.html
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
As everybody even down in Texas knows, Patañjali himself
doesn't seem to call the results of various saMyama_s in
the third book of YS siddhi_s but rather vibhuuti_s, because
the title of that book is vibhuuti-paada.
The only time the word siddhi is used in the 3rd book
is the infamous:
te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH (nominative plural
from 'siddhiH').
Many modern Indian gurus, and stuff, don't know Sanskrit very
well, so they seem to read that suutra in a way that in
their petty minds changes the predicative at the end (siddhayaH)
to an apposition, or perhaps even the subject, in that suutra.
The real subject of that sentence, of course, is the pronoun
'te' that per e.g. Vyaasa and Bhojadeva refers *only* to
the divine senses (TM: finest hearing, etc.) mentioned in the previous suutra!
It seems really dense to think that Patañjali said saMyama's
are impediments to samaadhi, because the first suutra
of the IV book states:
janmauSadhi-mantra-tapaH-samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH.
So, *...samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH*: siddhis are born of samaadhi
(and some other stuff mentioned in that suutra)!
(Perhaps the reason why Maharishi wanted to misspell 'siddhi'
as 'sidhi' was that he didn't want to use the word 'TM-vibhuutis'
even if that might have been more true to the suutra_s,
probably because 'sidhi' sounds cooler, so to speak, than
vibhuuti...)
vibhUti mfn. penetrating , pervading Nir. ; abundant , plentiful RV. ;
mighty , powerful ib. ; presiding over (gen.) ib. viii , 50 , 6 ; m. N. of a
Sa1dhya Hariv. ; of a son of Vis3va1mitra MBh. ; of a king VP. ; f. development
, multiplication , expansion , plenty , abundance Ka1v. Katha1s. c. ;
manifestation of might , great power , superhuman power (consisting of
eight faculties , especially attributed to S3iva , but supposed also to be
attainable by human beings through worship of that deity , viz. %{aNiman} , the
power of becoming as minute as an atom ; %{laghiman} , extreme lightness ;
%{prA7pti} , attaining or reaching anything [e.g. the moon with the tip of the
finger] [979,1] ; %{prAkAmya} , irresistible will ; %{mahiman} , illimitable
bulk ; %{IzitA} , supreme dominion ; %{vazitA} , subjugating by magic ; and
%{kAmA7vasAyitA} , the suppressing all desires) ib. ;
Re: [FairfieldLife] The FLDS compound in El Dorado, Texas
See the ray of light shining directly into the compound? From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The FLDS compound in El Dorado, Texas The Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints compound. (as in polygamists, Warren Jeffs, etc...). Probably doesn't have the striking interior design of the Scientology place shown before. Thanks for posting that, btw, maybe Tom Cruise can get me in for a visit. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/FLDS_4323.jpg
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. I think you should view it as what it was -- the reaction of one long-term practitioner of TM and its related programs to a post (mine) praising another long-term practitioner of TM for her portrayal of enlightenment in a TV series as not that much different than manic depression. Can't have that. Must preserve the dogma that enlightenment is real and all good. Anything else is apostasy, and must be shunned or banned, since our society doesn't allow us to punish it the way it should be punished, by execution. That's my take on Buck's post, anyway.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Ah, Barry's up really early. But he's convinced Buck is dead serious. What did I just now tell you, Ravi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. Here's the relevant quote, referring to me and raunchy: Dumb angry cunts too stupid to live. It's interesting how Barry always cites the spontaneous combustion thing rather than the above line. Almost as if he were embarrassed by it. And why was he so enraged at us? Because we had criticized Obama during the primaries. Oh, and just a reminder: When I mentioned death threats aimed at women on FFL, in passing, parenthetically, without using his name or quoting him, Barry *instantly* knew what I was referring to. Nobody else did. And he proceeded to make a *huge* fuss. Talk about guilty conscience... He's been trying to live it down ever since. Kinda puts paid to the notion he promotes here constantly that he doesn't care what anybody thinks of him and feels no need to defend himself, don't it? The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Enlightened and FFL, continued
Since my first posts about this new HBO series seem to have generated a veritable firestorm of overreaction and hysteria, I might as well continue talking about it. :-) The more I see the overreaction to what I wrote here on FFL (most of it from people who haven't even seen the series themselves), the more respect I have for Mike White and Laura Dern, creators of the series. They *could* have taken the low road, and tried to create only a parody of the New Age and all things spiritual. Lord knows they need to be parodied and made fun of, for their own good, but still that's just so easy to pull off there is no challenge in it. What they did instead is to create the character of Amy and make her more multi-dimensional, more real. Yes, she's nuttier than a fruitcake. Before enlight- enment, scream like a madwoman and act crazy; after enlightenment, scream like a madwoman and act crazy. But she may have ALSO had a realization experience of some kind while in that Hawaiian Woo Woo ashram. The questions that thus might be dealt with in the series (I've only seen one episode, after all, and can only speculate about the rest) are big ones: * Does having had a realization experience or having become enlightened actually MATTER? * Will or should anyone treat you differently if/when you become enlightened? So far in the series, the answers to both questions are No. Amy is as insufferable enlightened as she was unenlightened. Having read reviews that reveal a bit of next week's episode, when she arrives at work expecting her bit of blackmail to have worked and be put into a management position, she's going to be shown to a dark, dingy basement and given a job in data entry. So how is one of the enlightened going to react to being treated just like everyone else, and be required to do repetitive, unrewarding work, just like everyone else? My bet is...uh...not well. Should be funny. But when you think about it, isn't this really a strong parallel to what we've seen on FFL many times? People show up here claiming to be enlightened, and expecting to be treated the way that they believe the enlightened should be treated. That is, with rapt awe and respect, and as if every word they write is precious knowledge conferred on us by our betters. And that doesn't happen. Instead, the world looks at these pompous enlightenment pretenders and judges them the same way they'd judge anyone else -- by their actual behavior and what they actually say and do. What the enlightened CLAIM about their inner experiences or their own state of consciousness doesn't mean shit; on FFL only what they actually DO matters. Same in Enlightened, the TV series. Amy can believe she's enlightened all she wants to, but the world is going to treat her the way it winds up treating her. She doesn't get any special breaks for having had some nifty subjective experience. It should be interesting to watch how she deals with this. One thing is sure -- Amy simply CANNOT POSSIBLY react to others disbelieving in her enlightenment any worse than her fellow enlightenment pretenders on FFL have -- in the past and in the present. The parallels should make watching -- and continuing to report on -- this TV series really fun.
[FairfieldLife] L'odyssé de l'amour
Nice dramatized documentary, or whatever, on the dangers of kaama (in French; seen by me on telly, with subtitles): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fZDb9wvDwQfeature=related (Part 1 of several)
[FairfieldLife] A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Jim believes in, and presents to us. Finally, think Ravi. His first appearance on FFL was actually more of a meltdown than the fictional Amy's. When people here failed to treat him as the enlightened being he presented himself as, he became so manic and so abusive that almost everyone on the forum was calling for some kind of intervention, to help him seek professional help and hopefully prevent him from doing harm to either himself or (more likely) to his wife. Now he's calmed down a bit, but is still in the same mould as Jim; every time someone pushes his buttons he seemingly *has* to react by insulting the person who isn't treating him the way he expects to be treated, and by trying to discredit them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Ravi believes in, and presents to us as something we should both revere and hope to aspire to. WTF? These four people -- one fictional, three real (sort of) -- seem to believe that they are actually MAKING A CASE for enlightenment, and for it not only being a Good Thing, but the Best Thing, something that all of the rest of us lesser, unenlightened peons should aspire to and seek above all other goals in life. (Well, Robin doesn't do this with enlightenment per se...just with treating his own words and ideas as the Cosmic Truth he clearly believes they are.) And at the same time, they all periodically act just as crazy and just as out-of-control as Amy does. Am I the only person here who thinks that they're not quite making the case for enlightenment or
[FairfieldLife] If Carmen was on Facebook
This is brilliant. It's one of the Seattle Opera's promos for its upcoming production of Bizet's Carmen. Like many parodies, the more you know both about the opera and about Facebook and its conventions, the funnier it is. Enjoy. http://www.seattleoperablog.com/p/carmen-on-facebook.html http://www.seattleoperablog.com/p/carmen-on-facebook.html
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF Good advice :-)
[FairfieldLife] Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
Still throwing out fodder for discussion ( and/or overreaction :-), I thought I'd rap for a bit about one of the things I consider most brilliant about HBO's Enlightened. That is, that Amy has to perform her coming out as an enlightened being (or at the very least as a person who has had an experience that transformed her life) in front of a tough audience. In the short scenes of the ashram in which Amy had her realization experience, we get the impression of a loving, supporting New Age Woo Woo environment, one in which her coming out about her realization would have been not only believed, but applauded. Telling others there her stories about her realization would have been reacted to with hugs and rapt adulation, because everyone believes the same things and hopes for such an experience themselves. But now she's back, not only back in the real world, but back in the environment of a large, soulless corporation. And she has to do the rest of her coming out THERE. That's brilliant, IMO, Mike White's best contribution to Laura Dern's original idea for the series. The reason is that Amy is deprived of having an easy audience, and has to lay her enlightened routine on people who have either never heard of enlightenment, or who don't value it if they have. That is a very different situation than we see here on FFL. Pretty much by definition, everyone here has paid their dues in the past not only believing in enlightenment but believing (as they were indoctrinated to believe) that achieving it is the highest goal in life. NOTHING, in the view presented by the enlightenment dogma, is more important than achieving it. And NOTHING is more special than those who have achieved it. Which explains why so many of the drive-by enlightened drop in here. They look at the home page and perceive this place as an easy audience, a place where everyone already believes in the specialness of the enlightened, desire it for themselves more than anything else in life, and will treat them the way they want to be treated -- as special, and wise. As it turns out, this is in many cases an incorrect assumption, as a lot of the Yes, I'm enlightened -- adore me crowd discover to their dismay. Still, it's an easy environment, because almost everyone on this forum is familiar with all of the buzzwords and all of the dogma they're playing upon in their attempts to be regarded as special. Amy doesn't have that going for her. Her mother and her ex-husband are not automatically going to value her declarations of either having become enlightened (if she ever declares that in the series), or even of having been completely transformed by her experience. Her ex (played well by Luke Wilson) listens to her rap and finally, exasperated, says that he thinks she's hanging on by a slim thread, just as crazy as she was before, only now in denial about it. We can only imagine how most of the people in the corporation she's returning to are going to react to her being the very avatar of blissninnytude. There is great potential for comedy here, and I hope they go for it. But I also think it's a wise choice, because it presents a more real-world view of this coming out as enlightened phenomenon does than FFL. Here, most of the Yes, I'm enlightened crowd haven't been successful in convincing even an easy audience that what they say is true; try to imagine what it would be like for them if they tried it in front of a tough audience, one that hadn't been told for decades that 1) enlightenment exists, and 2) that it's the best thing since sliced bread. We'd hear the howls of laughter from California or from Canada if they tried that, even from wherever else in the world we live. Anyway, I look forward to how White deals with this situation he's set up, and how Amy deals with dealing with a tough audience. There is great potential in the scenario for humor, but also for deep insight. Bottom line, after all, is that the achievement of enlightenment is a *manufactured goal*, one that has been *sold* to people by teachers or groups promising it. Most of the people on this planet have never been subjected to that sales pitch, much less subjected to it for decades, so much so that they take it for granted. So how are *they* going to react to Amy's blissiness and declarations of Truth? Will she have any more success convincing them in such a tough environment than the Supposedly Enlightened have been here, playing to an easy audience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
As everybody even down in Texas knows, Patañjali himself
doesn't seem to call the results of various saMyama_s in
the third book of YS siddhi_s but rather vibhuuti_s, because
the title of that book is vibhuuti-paada.
The only time the word siddhi is used in the 3rd book
is the infamous:
te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH (nominative plural
from 'siddhiH').
Many modern Indian gurus, and stuff, don't know Sanskrit very
well, so they seem to read that suutra in a way that in
their petty minds changes the predicative at the end (siddhayaH)
to an apposition, or perhaps even the subject, in that suutra.
The real subject of that sentence, of course, is the pronoun
'te' that per e.g. Vyaasa and Bhojadeva refers *only* to
the divine senses (TM: finest hearing, etc.) mentioned in the previous
suutra!
It seems really dense to think that Patañjali said saMyama's
are impediments to samaadhi, because the first suutra
of the IV book states:
janmauSadhi-mantra-tapaH-samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH.
So, *...samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH*: siddhis are born of samaadhi
(and some other stuff mentioned in that suutra)!
(Perhaps the reason why Maharishi wanted to misspell 'siddhi'
as 'sidhi' was that he didn't want to use the word 'TM-vibhuutis'
even if that might have been more true to the suutra_s,
probably because 'sidhi' sounds cooler, so to speak, than
vibhuuti...)
vibhUti mfn. penetrating , pervading Nir. ; abundant , plentiful RV. ;
mighty , powerful ib. ; presiding over (gen.) ib. viii , 50 , 6 ; m. N. of a
Sa1dhya Hariv. ; of a son of Vis3va1mitra MBh. ; of a king VP. ; f.
development , multiplication , expansion , plenty , abundance Ka1v. Katha1s.
c. ; manifestation of might , great power , superhuman power (consisting
of eight faculties , especially attributed to S3iva , but supposed also to be
attainable by human beings through worship of that deity , viz. %{aNiman} ,
the power of becoming as minute as an atom ; %{laghiman} , extreme lightness
; %{prA7pti} , attaining or reaching anything [e.g. the moon with the tip of
the finger] [979,1] ; %{prAkAmya} , irresistible will ; %{mahiman} ,
illimitable bulk ; %{IzitA} , supreme dominion ; %{vazitA} , subjugating by
magic ; and %{kAmA7vasAyitA} , the suppressing all desires) ib. ;
Carde; next time this Vaj-fellow throws some sanskrit words and sentences
around, why don't you have a look at it ? He's clearly lying about his
understanding of how TM is practised, as Judy has shown. I wouldn't be
surprized if his understanding of sanskrit is just as hollow.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Wants to Fly
On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:57 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Now I would like to say something about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. To be physically near to him (you more or less had to do Transcendental Meditation to 'get' Maharishi) was to be near the most alive, sensitive, entertaining, compelling, ironic, strong, attractive, deep personality that you could ever imagine. No one who was close to Maharishi—as a disciple, as an initiator—has ever, in rejecting Maharishi, acquired an experience (in this repudiation of his authenticity as a spiritual Master) that qualitatively (in the negative sense) compared the experience of loving and surrendering to him. To know Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (say, in the early and mid-seventies—and before this) was to know (if one came to be close to him physically) the most beautiful human being in the world. Maharishi implied to us that he was in Unity Consciousness. In those halcyon days, to doubt the whole universe was somehow perfectly representing itself in Maharishi would be the same as doubting that the Atlantic Ocean is full of wetness. Maharishi's brilliance and beauty and charisma were virtually physical. Now, if I come across anyone who once was in the Movement and devoted to Maharishi who can conjure up an experience which I feel comes from a deeper place in his rejection of Maharishi than he (or she) came from when he or she loved, adored, and even worshiped Maharishi, I stand refuted. But this cannot happen. Or at least, it has not happened yet. But it has. Sit down and talk to one of Mahesh's personal secretaries and hear their stories. Hear how the person they revered and adored slowly lost the mask of respectability and gained their suspicion. The revelatory 'Maharshee' drone-lectures that ended up being from coached pre-lecture sessionsby westerners reading from English translations. The weirdness, the something's not right feelings and the process of slowly finding out why all was quite not what it seemed. The angry outbursts lasting hours, unheard of in the holy; the destruction of lives; the visit of Mahesh to the revered Shankaracharya of the South who placed Mahesh's awareness within his own Brahman Consciousness and declared his consciousness like that of a busy supermarket and on and on. Perhaps if you get the right person, you'll hear of the legitimate saints they went on to meet and the remarkable differences. There's many ways one can do this. The saint who can explain how certain yogis will use different methods to effectively numb out and dumb out their students. Or take a psychic friend and just pop in on a Purusha facility. I get that Mahesh had all the attributes of a celebrity and he certainly had the garb and the mystique that we naive westerners thought must be holy. But a glimpse behind the facade is all it takes for all of that to fall away...if you even want to do so. Most will not want to pull off the veils of their cherishes memories of youth. Many cannot. As you see, our engrained ego-sense loves to hold onto these stories. If we were associated in some way with that story, it makes it even more unlikely that we'd be willing to let go. No one likes to feel naked in that sense, esp. if we have no new equally vogue garb to replace it with. So I suspect you're deeply attached to these stories. You're still telling the same stories you were telling back in the 80's and in the very same way; the same phrasing, the same grandiose conviction, delivery and almost - but not quite - the same oomph.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Wants to Fly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I get that Mahesh had all the attributes of a celebrity and he certainly had the garb and the mystique that we naive westerners thought must be holy. But a glimpse behind the facade is all it takes for all of that to fall away...if you even want to do so. Most will not want to pull off the veils of their cherishes memories of youth. Many cannot. As you see, our engrained ego- sense loves to hold onto these stories. If we were associated in some way with that story, it makes it even more unlikely that we'd be willing to let go. No one likes to feel naked in that sense, esp. if we have no new equally vogue garb to replace it with. So I suspect you're deeply attached to these stories. You're still telling the same stories you were telling back in the 80's and in the very same way; the same phrasing, the same grandiose conviction, delivery and almost - but not quite - the same oomph. Bingo. I agree not only with your assessment of why people in general glom onto these stories and keep telling them, but in particular why Robin does so. The ONLY import- ance he had back in the 80s was in terms of his rela- tionship (or imagined relationship) with Maharishi, and that's still true today. He tells these stories of Maharishi's glory because he has no stories to tell of his own. It's a groupie thang. Still.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
Yeah, it could be all the sages of Hinduism are wrong and you're
right! Siddhis don't really cause you to acquire vyutthAna (SCI-
speak: outward-stroke) samskaras, they're actually really good for
you! You'll attain the Body of Mud!
Wake up Card, you living in a dream if you need to rationalize this
badly. Legit. sages not only know that samyama cultivation of siddhis
damages the human nervous system in a way that prevents awakening,
they knew what it specifically does to the nervous system.
Oh and Scum-dog Millionaire found out he couldn't trademark or
copyright siddhi, so he simply perverted the spelling and
copyrighted his perversion! Ain't that holy!
What a pure tradition, huh?
On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:00 AM, cardemaister wrote:
As everybody even down in Texas knows, Patañjali himself
doesn't seem to call the results of various saMyama_s in
the third book of YS siddhi_s but rather vibhuuti_s, because
the title of that book is vibhuuti-paada.
The only time the word siddhi is used in the 3rd book
is the infamous:
te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH (nominative plural
from 'siddhiH').
Many modern Indian gurus, and stuff, don't know Sanskrit very
well, so they seem to read that suutra in a way that in
their petty minds changes the predicative at the end (siddhayaH)
to an apposition, or perhaps even the subject, in that suutra.
The real subject of that sentence, of course, is the pronoun
'te' that per e.g. Vyaasa and Bhojadeva refers *only* to
the divine senses (TM: finest hearing, etc.) mentioned in the
previous suutra!
It seems really dense to think that Patañjali said saMyama's
are impediments to samaadhi, because the first suutra
of the IV book states:
janmauSadhi-mantra-tapaH-samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH.
So, *...samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH*: siddhis are born of samaadhi
(and some other stuff mentioned in that suutra)!
(Perhaps the reason why Maharishi wanted to misspell 'siddhi'
as 'sidhi' was that he didn't want to use the word 'TM-vibhuutis'
even if that might have been more true to the suutra_s,
probably because 'sidhi' sounds cooler, so to speak, than
vibhuuti...)
vibhUti mfn. penetrating , pervading Nir. ; abundant , plentiful
RV. ; mighty , powerful ib. ; presiding over (gen.) ib. viii , 50 ,
6 ; m. N. of a Sa1dhya Hariv. ; of a son of Vis3va1mitra MBh. ; of
a king VP. ; f. development , multiplication , expansion , plenty ,
abundance Ka1v. Katha1s. c. ; manifestation of might , great
power , superhuman power (consisting of eight faculties ,
especially attributed to S3iva , but supposed also to be attainable
by human beings through worship of that deity , viz. %{aNiman} ,
the power of becoming as minute as an atom ; %{laghiman} , extreme
lightness ; %{prA7pti} , attaining or reaching anything [e.g. the
moon with the tip of the finger] [979,1] ; %{prAkAmya} ,
irresistible will ; %{mahiman} , illimitable bulk ; %{IzitA} ,
supreme dominion ; %{vazitA} , subjugating by magic ; and %
{kAmA7vasAyitA} , the suppressing all desires) ib. ;
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I agree. As schtick, I guess one could appreciate it, as some did with Andy Kaufman's schtick. As some others here have opined, I don't quite get its intent. Is it intended that we should feel empathy for the people Buck meets who really think like this, or that we should dislike them? Do his attacks on non- meditators and apostates reveal what he (or part of him) really thinks of them, or is it him just channeling people he meets around town who do think this of them? I think the issue is -- as it was with Andy -- whether the schtick is actually funny or not. Many of Andy's gags *weren't* funny. In fact, they were downright mean. And they were reacted to in kind, *because he said them*, not because of the schtick he had in mind when he said them. Those female wrestlers really wanted to kick his ass. And they did; according to what I was told he was in pain for a week following that stunt.
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment and its relationship to buttons
Still tripping on HBO's Enlightened (you can tell I like it), I'm thinkin' in this cafe about the things it's gotten me thinkin' about since viewing its first episode. The nature of the trains of thoughts it's spun off for me are as interesting to me as the series itself. For example, it's gotten me thinkin' about what my definition of an enlightened being might be, were I to run into one. I have been able to come up with only a couple of things I would look for. The first is sense of humor, and an accompanying sense of delight in life. Call me crazy, but I cannot conceive of enlightenment as lacking that quality. The second is having the ability to resist having their emotional buttons pushed easily, and reacting to that button-pushing by dropping into reactive or samskaric mindstates. This criterion is merely a belief on my part. I can't even cite you a scriptural source for it, other than Maharishi's line on stone rap. But I intuitively feel it to be true. Or as close to true or truth as I am able to believe in. This is the area in which I think that many of the famous and the far less famous Supposedly Enlightened I've run into in this life fall a little short of walking their talk. Like Amy on HBO, many of these folks talk the talk just fine, as long as everything is going their way and no one is making any waves. But the moment the waves get a little choppy, almost all of them I've met personally or over the Internet tend to be just as prey to having their emotional buttons pushed as anyone else. And when they do get their buttons pushed, they seem to be just as prone to becoming a tad reactive, and feeling the need to get samskaric on the button-pusher's ass as anyone else. I'm gonna hold out for an image of enlightenment that doesn't include having such a thin skin that you can still get your buttons pushed. It may be an unrealistic definition, but hey! we're talking about enlightenment, and what could be more unrealistic than the definitions we've been given of that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Since my first posts about this new HBO series seem to have generated a veritable firestorm of overreaction and hysteria, I might as well continue talking about it. :-) The more I see the overreaction to what I wrote here on FFL (most of it from people who haven't even seen the series themselves) This is really worrisome. The only person who did any overreacting in these threads was Barry himself, in response to comments from Bhairitu that he didn't like. A grand total of six people (not including Barry) made contributions of any kind to the threads. Of those, four hadn't seen the series: Ravi responded (quite mildly) only to Barry's unpleasant characterization of him; he didn't comment on the series. Willytex provided a link to the trailer, without comment. Whynotnow made a comment on enlightenment per se, without reference to the series. I drew a parallel between what I've read about the plot of the series and the Occupy Wall Street protests. Only one of these posts, mine, made any kind of reference to the series, and then only to make a point about the Wall Street protests. The fact that these four people hadn't seen the series was utterly irrelevant to what we wrote. And none of these posts was even *remotely* overreaction or hysterical. Nor were the contributions of the two people who *had* seen the series, Susan and Bhairitu. Yet according to Barry, this was a veritable firestorm of overreaction and hysteria. Go figure. I guess he was disappointed that his posts *hadn't* stirred up more reaction and had to make up a fantasy to console himself.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Couple of corrections in code pink: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Whew! Judy to the rescue! Oh man. I thought I had to hide the Holy Science book someone gave me a copy of years ago. Really, it was hidden under a stack of Jehovah witness pamphlets and I forgot about it. Oh, I also found the book of a really good astrologer who lives in Fairfield, but just pretend I gave it away to Good Will. One Deepak book too. Do Deepa Metha movies count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBFUCj4IFOY I mean, she was married to Paul Saltzman? Right? A couple of his pictures, I have of his, well, on screen saver, shh. A few pictures of the Bealtes when they were in and out of the movement, but now that they are back, I think those are okay, right? These things are all over the floor in my burst of panic! All because of a joke. Ah hah! Hahahahahaha. I had disconnected my electric frequency sensors to check the digital phone taps and seal the duct tape over the camera on the puter, disconnect the face recognition and microphone, reset the modem, lock the doors, but the list of names thing, REALLY freaked me out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQi4CAzmrA Guys showing up in 1970's polyester suits with up to date organic pastel undergarments (how do I know? Don't ask.) and T-T-Ties! (1981- Polyester/cotton blend suits)(See above.) DL (David Lynch) standing in the background in a black shirt and black pants (organic pastel undergarments? I don't know.) with his arms crossed, his hair in a twizzle (much more than usual), and Nabby with antennas on his head. Robert Roth http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Alfred-E-Neuman-Statue-Warner-E-C-Comics-MA\ D-MAGAZINE-COVER-GUY-LOOK-/110754055486?pt=US_Comic_Magazineshash=item1\ 9c974c53e#ht_720wt_932 (Bobby Roth looks more like Alfred E. Newman. ) giving me that Phantom of the Opera grin (hey someone on this board posted his picture, not me.) All with a bunch of papers to sign or I would never ever be allowed, never, back into the domes and no more using this message board unless I use a Facebook account with all provided and required security questions, and no pseudonym. Rick could make a lot of money giving names! LOL. NOT! Please don't! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment and its relationship to buttons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxt4Qq76vB0 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Still tripping on HBO's Enlightened (you can tell I like it), I'm thinkin' in this cafe about the things it's gotten me thinkin' about since viewing its first episode. The nature of the trains of thoughts it's spun off for me are as interesting to me as the series itself. For example, it's gotten me thinkin' about what my definition of an enlightened being might be, were I to run into one. I have been able to come up with only a couple of things I would look for. The first is sense of humor, and an accompanying sense of delight in life. Call me crazy, but I cannot conceive of enlightenment as lacking that quality. The second is having the ability to resist having their emotional buttons pushed easily, and reacting to that button-pushing by dropping into reactive or samskaric mindstates. This criterion is merely a belief on my part. I can't even cite you a scriptural source for it, other than Maharishi's line on stone rap. But I intuitively feel it to be true. Or as close to true or truth as I am able to believe in. This is the area in which I think that many of the famous and the far less famous Supposedly Enlightened I've run into in this life fall a little short of walking their talk. Like Amy on HBO, many of these folks talk the talk just fine, as long as everything is going their way and no one is making any waves. But the moment the waves get a little choppy, almost all of them I've met personally or over the Internet tend to be just as prey to having their emotional buttons pushed as anyone else. And when they do get their buttons pushed, they seem to be just as prone to becoming a tad reactive, and feeling the need to get samskaric on the button-pusher's ass as anyone else. I'm gonna hold out for an image of enlightenment that doesn't include having such a thin skin that you can still get your buttons pushed. It may be an unrealistic definition, but hey! we're talking about enlightenment, and what could be more unrealistic than the definitions we've been given of that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
Vaj: Siddhis don't really cause you to acquire vyutthAna (SCI-speak: outward-stroke) samskaras, they're actually really good for you! Well, I can think of several Tibetan teacher that cultivated and exhibited many siddhis. Maybe you could supply the names of a few more. Thanks. As the external manifestation of this self-appearing display, in the countless sceneries of bodily forms in buddhafields of the five families consisting of the semi-manifest natural nirmanakaya realms of Mahabrahma, he appears to all the bodhisattvas on the ten bhumis - Jamgon Ju Mipham Gyatso
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment and its relationship to buttons
On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote: For example, it's gotten me thinkin' about what my definition of an enlightened being might be, were I to run into one. I have been able to come up with only a couple of things I would look for. The first is sense of humor, and an accompanying sense of delight in life. Call me crazy, but I cannot conceive of enlightenment as lacking that quality. I've told this story before, but a friend who was an advanced chi- kung practitioner was to make a journey to some remote region of China to attempt to receive teachings from a very widely respected master and to receive specific teachings. It was not known whether or not the teacher would even grant audience with him after the difficult journey, but after much difficulty he finally arrived and was told the teacher would see him in a couple of days. At last the day arrived, but the teacher said we would need to see if the student was ready. So with some intrepidation my friend entered the interview room. The teacher said he only had one question for him: Do you know how to laugh at yourself? It just happened our teacher had placed great emphasis on this and how to let the positive influence of laughter and smiling and openness circulate through the body as a preliminary to all practices. So without hesitation the master answered yes. The teacher accepted him as his student and he received all the teachings he sought. Laughter is so important an element of basic openness as to be considered indispensable. The second is having the ability to resist having their emotional buttons pushed easily, and reacting to that button-pushing by dropping into reactive or samskaric mindstates. We now know what's happening is many people when they become reactive they actually drop into the primitive reptilian part of the brain. Blood supply is shunted to the arms and legs and leaves the higher brain without the blood to think clearly. I see that happen a lot here. The common place this happens is when there's great emotional stakes which a person perceives being high, and one is attached to a certain outcome or opinon. They'll drop right into that ole brainstem. All the awakeners I know, will not and do not fall into this pattern. Even elements of surprise leave them undisturbed as if they were a calm unperturbable center. I've met several Dzogchen masters who would use this is an element of play with which to point out the Natural State.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Age-Activated Attention Deficit
Feel free to respond or to pursue whatever interests you. I see no sign in what you've written below, however, that you plan to address my specific concerns. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I'll answer in more detail later but on first read one point I want to make is that my opinion is evolving as I read the posts and think about them. There is no contradiction between noticing that Vaj is using concepts in a way that we wouldn't teach to a new meditator, and then noticing on further reflection that he seems to be focusing on the experience we have as more experienced meditators. And both of these are filtered through the understanding and terminology that he is into now, not the TM way. I'll pursue it more if you are interested. Not to try to change anyone's mind, but because I think it brings up some interesting issues about how we discuss our internal experiences and if it is possible for communication across systems of meditation or are we all too locked into the terms we are most familiar with. (Myself inclulded)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment and its relationship to buttons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxt4Qq76vB0 Great segue, obbajeeba. Shame they cut off the Peter Gabriel song at the end, but great. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still tripping on HBO's Enlightened (you can tell I like it), I'm thinkin' in this cafe about the things it's gotten me thinkin' about since viewing its first episode. The nature of the trains of thoughts it's spun off for me are as interesting to me as the series itself. For example, it's gotten me thinkin' about what my definition of an enlightened being might be, were I to run into one. I have been able to come up with only a couple of things I would look for. The first is sense of humor, and an accompanying sense of delight in life. Call me crazy, but I cannot conceive of enlightenment as lacking that quality. The second is having the ability to resist having their emotional buttons pushed easily, and reacting to that button-pushing by dropping into reactive or samskaric mindstates. This criterion is merely a belief on my part. I can't even cite you a scriptural source for it, other than Maharishi's line on stone rap. But I intuitively feel it to be true. Or as close to true or truth as I am able to believe in. This is the area in which I think that many of the famous and the far less famous Supposedly Enlightened I've run into in this life fall a little short of walking their talk. Like Amy on HBO, many of these folks talk the talk just fine, as long as everything is going their way and no one is making any waves. But the moment the waves get a little choppy, almost all of them I've met personally or over the Internet tend to be just as prey to having their emotional buttons pushed as anyone else. And when they do get their buttons pushed, they seem to be just as prone to becoming a tad reactive, and feeling the need to get samskaric on the button-pusher's ass as anyone else. I'm gonna hold out for an image of enlightenment that doesn't include having such a thin skin that you can still get your buttons pushed. It may be an unrealistic definition, but hey! we're talking about enlightenment, and what could be more unrealistic than the definitions we've been given of that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:07 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: Siddhis don't really cause you to acquire vyutthAna (SCI-speak: outward-stroke) samskaras, they're actually really good for you! Well, I can think of several Tibetan teacher that cultivated and exhibited many siddhis. Maybe you could supply the names of a few more. Thanks. As the path or as a display of their fruition? Typically the only time you'll see a Buddhist practitioner using siddhi is when is being used to cultivate bodhichitta - for all sentient life. SO they're really not cultivating siddhi, they're cultivating a universal, objectless compassion. Big difference Willy from the way Dark Yogis use it!
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Hi Nabs, well...it points in the right direction, but to take it as advice, I don't think so... The challenge we all have is to live life at its fullest; spiritual liberation. One thing I have found is that liberation doesn't come about because we shun other events and people from our awareness. There are no conditional statements we can make with our minds that will bring about liberation. Liberation isn't conditional on anything, even shunning someone who is continually tossing doubt and skepticism on our path. This idea of apostates is silly (with all due respect Buck). There are two sides to liberation. One is always recognizing what is helpful to us and others. The other side is being willing to surrender to that which we are not attracted to, inside and out. Not in any compulsive way, but just by having the attention rest on it briefly. Then it is seen for what it is, both the shunned object, and the reaction within us to the shunned object. What I have found over time, is that any external person, thing, or action I used to consider an absolute impediment to my inner peace and silence, is no longer that. Like the BG says, can't burn it or wash it away, or slam the door in its face; silence and peace always continue to grow. So the only conclusion I can reach is that anyone who disrupts my silence is acting as an innocent mechanism to indicate a weakness within me. If it wasn't so, then such a person, or event, or thought would always and absolutely disrupt my inner silence and peace. But once silence is predominating, nothing is able to disturb it, and that means that there is nothing external which is truly an enemy of silence. No one, no thing, no event, no thought. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF Good advice :-)
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I think the reason some people can't tell is that he shifts back and forth, and they don't know when he's being satirical and when he's being serious. Plus which, his style of satire is fairly subtle, and many people here don't recognize satire unless it's broad, more like burlesque. And of course the TM critics here are prone to see the posts of committed TMers in the most negative light possible; they have almost no room even to give benefit of the doubt. They simply don't *remember* his serious posts, which can be deeply humane and/or sharply critical of the kind of pinched TB thinking he mocks in his satirical posts. The humanity and criticism don't fit their preconceptions, so those traits go right down the memory hole. It's certainly not a *snap* to figure out where he's coming from; he doesn't make it easy. He seems to get off on ambiguity, which confuses the hell out of some people. But if one has been paying attention, over time one begins to get a sense of how he rolls. I may have been too hard on Ravi; he may not have been around here long enough to get the Buck gestalt. But as I told Ravi, he has such a weird sense of humor himself, I thought he might have more insight than some others here. In any case, having seen that folks didn't get his first post, Buck took pity on them and made another one-- about the Apostate Spreadsheet--that was a lot more obviously satirical. And at least one person *still* didn't get it. These kneejerk reactions must amuse Buck/Doug no end. They're the mirror image of the thinking of the very people he satirizes. Intolerance and paranoia are by no means the sole province of the purported cultists.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I agree. As schtick, I guess one could appreciate it, as some did with Andy Kaufman's schtick. As some others here have opined, I don't quite get its intent. The confusing part is that he will stay in character and give a positive review on some healer coming through FF. I'm inclined to believe that since he never shows up for real discussion out of character, this foil is a way to say unpleasant things that would get challenged and not be accountable. He really wishes we didn't post our views here. But owning that POV would cause blowback. So he does it in a character as a buffer. The added extreme like putting people to death throws off the scent, the stink, the stench of genuine intolerance. The inability to ever show up in a genuine way pretty much shuts off the kind of communication I enjoy. Is it intended that we should feel empathy for the people Buck meets who really think like this, or that we should dislike them? Do his attacks on non- meditators and apostates reveal what he (or part of him) really thinks of them, or is it him just channeling people he meets around town who do think this of them? I think the issue is -- as it was with Andy -- whether the schtick is actually funny or not. Many of Andy's gags *weren't* funny. In fact, they were downright mean. And they were reacted to in kind, *because he said them*, not because of the schtick he had in mind when he said them. Those female wrestlers really wanted to kick his ass. And they did; according to what I was told he was in pain for a week following that stunt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Exactly. What you recount of my first few years after liberation is a great example of what I just posted about growing silence. When I first experienced my enlightenment, I was both insecure about it, and defiant too. The experience of silence along with activity and the dissolution of my cocooned ego became permanent one day, and I thought, wow, it actually happened!. However, when I spoke about that experience on here, it was strongly challenged, and I fought fire with fire for awhile, seeing those who challenged me as foes, not recognizing at the time, that the silence and calm would continue to permeate everything. Some of what I said was appropriate, for example, my insistence which I carry to this day that *anyone* can achieve surrender and liberation. Anyway, what has happened since that day in the Spring of 2005 when I dissolved into freedom, more or less, is that my silence and peace of mind has deepened to the point where everything that was a challenge, and unraveling, when I first began living my liberation is no longer seen or experienced in the same way. There is a confidence in this growing silence and peacefulness that makes someone saying something about me or my experience inconsequential. Thanks for bringing all of that up. Seriously, it is enjoyable to see how far the journey has taken me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Jim believes in, and presents to us.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
So Buck used my name in his subtle satire because he really is aligned with my POV? He is really saying, I wish Curtis would post more critical things about the movement and meditation because he is right on and I too think that Maharishi oversold his technique? But you always know which is which, unlike those anti-whateverers who need broad burlesque? So what was Doug trying to convey about me in that post? If the target of his satire was the movement's repression, why was I included in the rant about the movement? What subtle message did you get that I missed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I think the reason some people can't tell is that he shifts back and forth, and they don't know when he's being satirical and when he's being serious. Plus which, his style of satire is fairly subtle, and many people here don't recognize satire unless it's broad, more like burlesque. And of course the TM critics here are prone to see the posts of committed TMers in the most negative light possible; they have almost no room even to give benefit of the doubt. They simply don't *remember* his serious posts, which can be deeply humane and/or sharply critical of the kind of pinched TB thinking he mocks in his satirical posts. The humanity and criticism don't fit their preconceptions, so those traits go right down the memory hole. It's certainly not a *snap* to figure out where he's coming from; he doesn't make it easy. He seems to get off on ambiguity, which confuses the hell out of some people. But if one has been paying attention, over time one begins to get a sense of how he rolls. I may have been too hard on Ravi; he may not have been around here long enough to get the Buck gestalt. But as I told Ravi, he has such a weird sense of humor himself, I thought he might have more insight than some others here. In any case, having seen that folks didn't get his first post, Buck took pity on them and made another one-- about the Apostate Spreadsheet--that was a lot more obviously satirical. And at least one person *still* didn't get it. These kneejerk reactions must amuse Buck/Doug no end. They're the mirror image of the thinking of the very people he satirizes. Intolerance and paranoia are by no means the sole province of the purported cultists.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote: In the short scenes of the ashram in which Amy had her realization experience, we get the impression of a loving, supporting New Age Woo Woo environment, one in which her coming out about her realization would have been not only believed, but applauded. Telling others there her stories about her realization What kind of stories does she tell, Barry? Just a brief synopsis, if you feel like it. You make the series sound interesting enough that I'm renting the tapes, whenever NF makes them available. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Are There Dinosaurs in the Tree of Life Movie?
Hi Susan, Thanks for reading my review. I like your take on the dinosaurs too. I like getting different points of view. I've been surprised that I all the reviewers of this film have either never considered the dinosaur aspect or are totally confused by it. It seemed to have great meaning and emphasis in the film. Jean --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jean jeanjessup@ wrote: Here is my attempt to answer the question, Why are there dinosaurs in the Tree of Life Movie? http://www.moviereviewsfromaspiritualperspective.com/mainstream-movie-reviews/tree-of-life-why-dinosaurs- I liked your take on the dinosaurs issue - never thought of this because i looked t it this way: the dinos showed the first example of Grace in Nature. Remember at the beginning of the film the voice over (Sean Penn?) talks about the 2 ways to look at life; as filled by Grace or simply a sequence of the acts of Nature? So the dino showed compassion (as well as control and power over another) as a new response to weakness. He made a choice to let the weak animal live Some people in the film were moved by Grace, too, but not all, of course. And certainly God was a mix of a source of breauty in Nature as well as apparently random cruelty towards life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Age-Activated Attention Deficit
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy, I haven't responded to this post which I guess focuses on the points you believe I am missing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: wrote: snip But it doesn't explain why he says things like Mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM. This might be his reevaluation. Long term meditators relate differently to this. I don't really ever have to come back to the mantra at a gross level, it is a more gentle process for my attention. Same here. The realization that I've been thinking random thoughts rather than mantra is virtually simultaneous with returning to the mantra. IOW, the return to the mantra is automatic. It's almost as if--and may actually be; hard to tell at that subtle level--there is no thought I'm not on the mantra, just a return to it when the train of ordinary thoughts comes to an end. But I think you're missing the point, which is the idea of waiting for the mantra, of monitoring (another word he used) what's happening. Far from being an important part of TM, Mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for the mantra makes no sense in the context of TM instruction or the TM process itself. And it most certainly is not part of my experience. You know as well as I do that monitoring is strongly discouraged because it introduces effort. I believe you are missing his point but I could be wrong. In the way I understand it, he is making a distinction between thinking the mantra and any other thought. OK, you don't want to acknowledge the problem. Doesn't really surprise me. You are off to a bad start. I don't agree with the problem you have with his terminology and have spelled out why. You seem to be getting hung up on his terminology. No, it's conceptual, as I noted elsewhere. The point it valid having read his original post in context. As I said before, you guys have completely different agendas here. He is not trying to prove his ability to parrot TM teaching, You say that several times as if someone had suggested he was. I certainly didn't. He was explaining how he believes TM is practiced and what the instructions are, but he got it wrong. If in casual conversation someone who has claimed to be a physician recommends antibiotics to a person who has a cold, you have good reason to suspect their claim is bogus. They aren't trying to prove or parrot anything, they're just saying what they believe to be the case, that a cold is properly treated with antibiotics. he is discussing how it it practiced within the framework of his current understanding. Which is wrong. It may be true of other types of mantra meditation he's familiar with, but it isn't true of TM. I have explained how it could be if you take off the Vaj is deceptive glasses. The way you are paraphrasing it out of the context of his post seems misleading to how I understood what he was saying. I have taught people who couldn't get it right about not having to pick up the mantra because it seemed like an effort. And you told them to wait for the mantra and to monitor their meditation to make sure that...what?? To keep checking to see if they're thinking thoughts instead of mantra? What *was* he saying, Curtis? You keep saying I'm missing his point, but you never say what you think his point *is*. I explained what I thought this meant in detail. It is a way of looking at the use of the mantra as different from other thoughts which was the context of the point. There is no part of my awareness that repeats any other thoughts, with the mantra there is, he is calling that monitoring, neurologically he is correct. That is how the mind knows that we are off the mantra. He made further distinctions which I also explained before which distinguished beginners and experienced meditators. And although sometimes it might be possible to start meditation and be lost in thoughts the whole time, in my experience of teaching it was more usually due to not understanding how the mantra is used. Quite possibly. All I'm pointing out is that once you've made sure the person *does* understand how the mantra is used, you don't tell him or her to be more attentive. If a train of thought is so compelling that the realization of not entertaining the mantra doesn't occur, it's fine. If you start trying to *watch* what you're thinking, that introduces effort. It takes a little back and forth sometime for people to get the hang of it. So his analysis does not ring false experientially. Hmm, so now we're talking about beginning meditators. Except your big point was that Vaj's perspective had to do with deep inner
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote: In the short scenes of the ashram in which Amy had her realization experience, we get the impression of a loving, supporting New Age Woo Woo environment, one in which her coming out about her realization would have been not only believed, but applauded. Telling others there her stories about her realization What kind of stories does she tell, Barry? Just a brief synopsis, if you feel like it. She actually didn't. At least thus far in the series. The only person she's told -- and that briefly, was her ex. I was speculating about how what she told him would have been received by the group we saw glimpses of in the Hawaii retreat. What she actually said to her ex was the following: So it was one morning, super early, and I was medi- tating on the beach. I decided to get in the water, and this sea turtle just passed by -- big, beautiful sea turtle. I felt his presence all around me. It was God. Or it was better than God...it was like something was speaking to me. It was saying, 'This is all for you, and everything is a gift. Even the horrible stuff.' You make the series sound interesting enough that I'm renting the tapes, whenever NF makes them available. I've just watched it a second time. I have high hopes for the series, and would like to see it stay as interesting and as balanced as it was in its first episode (at least from my POV). For the record, I am *completely* open to an inter- pretation of Amy that includes her actually having had an enlightenment experience, and/or still having that experience continue for her, now that she's back. I am equally open to it all being different manifestations of hypomania. Then again, I feel the same about all of the Supposedly Enlightened people I've met on this rock. For me, enlightenment is not about what happens in the quiet of meditation or the seclusion of an island retreat. It's what happens when you bring that back into the real world, and whether you can maintain in the face of stimuli that prompt you to revert back to your old samskaric habits. I really DO think that Laura Dern is doing a tremendous job in the role, and look forward to seeing more, and how she develops the character.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
LOL- yeah, that's me Tom, ol' hate spewer himself.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things.
[FairfieldLife] The Harvard Psychedelic Club
There's a book out called The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Psychedelic-Club-Timothy-Fifties/dp/0061655937 (I believe the title is a reference to the Harvard Metaphysical Club, which included Oliver Wendell Holmes, William James, Charles Sanders Peirce, and John Dewey.) http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysical-Club-Story-Ideas-America/dp/0374528497
[FairfieldLife] Apologies Not Accepted
Apologies Not Accepted Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one? The obsessive need of this president to apologize for American exceptionalism and our defense of freedom continued recently when Barack Obama's State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) contacted the family of al-Qaida propagandist and recruiter Samir Khan to express its condolences to his family. Khan, a right-hand man to Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed along with Awlaki in an airstrike in Yemen on Sept. 30. We apologized for killing a terrorist before he could help kill any more of us. It's yet another part of the world apology tour that began with Obama taking the oath of office to protect and defend the United States and its Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, something he immediately felt sorry for. One stop on his tour was Prague in August 2009. There he spoke of America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons, ignoring that before 1945 we lived in such a world and it was neither peaceful nor secure. Another stop on the tour was in Japan, where Obama in November 2009 bowed to the emperor, something no American president had ever done. It could have been worse if plans to visit Nagasaki and Hiroshima to apologize for winning the war with the atom bombs had come to pass. A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan's Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a 'nonstarter.' The Japanese feared the apology would be exploited by anti-nuclear groups and those opposed to the defensive alliance between Japan and the U.S. Whatever Tokyo's motive, Obama's motive was to once again apologize for defending freedom, this time for winning with devastating finality the war Japan started. While Obama envisions a world without nuclear weapons, and moves steadily toward unilateral disarmament of our nuclear arsenal, we envision a world without tyrants and thugs willing to use them against us. We do not fear nuclear weapons in the hands of Britain or France, countries that share our love of freedom and democracy. It was not all that clear in August 1945 that Japan was ready to surrender. Okinawa, where 101,000 Japanese and 24,000 Americans died, was a clear indication of the fanatical resistance to come in an invasion of the Japanese home islands. That resistance ended only when Tokyo became convinced there would soon be nothing to defend. Nuclear weapons in the right hands ended the violence of World War II. In the right hands, they kept Western Europe free and helped win the Cold War. And the fact that they'd been used made it less likely they would ever be used again. The world that Imperial Japan envisioned was quite different than the one we now enjoy. That regime's dream was of an imperial rising sun blistering the globe. Good thing they saw a rising sun of a quite different sort, the fulfillment of Japanese Adm. Isoroku Yamato's prophecy after Dec. 7, 1941: I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. President Obama fails to realize that being the leader of the Free World, the last best hope for mankind, means never having to say you're sorry. - from Investors.com, Oct. 11, 2011
Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
On 10/12/2011 08:33 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote: In the short scenes of the ashram in which Amy had her realization experience, we get the impression of a loving, supporting New Age Woo Woo environment, one in which her coming out about her realization would have been not only believed, but applauded. Telling others there her stories about her realization What kind of stories does she tell, Barry? Just a brief synopsis, if you feel like it. You make the series sound interesting enough that I'm renting the tapes, whenever NF makes them available. Sal That might be a while since HBO tends to not release it's jewels into the wild until right before the next season. Whereas Showtime, AMC tend to release them right after the run of the season. A lot of people here would relate to the show as it's about a woman who has an embarrassing breakdown at a cold corporate company, takes a rehab that involves some self help and meditation classes and then returns to the company to assert that she is cured and would like her old job back. And as I pointed out it is about something many who have learned meditation or taken some other self help class and thought it resulted in a life change for them tend to come back zealous to let their friends and family know about their change. I'm about everyone here went through something like that after they learned TM and can relate to and even laugh about it. I said cold corporation because the company she works with is probably typical of big ones that are classically inhuman. However some companies which are more innovative like tech companies might have sent HR to the rescue when she had the breakdown. That's why I feel that they are also going to explore the cold corporate world too and poke fun at it. Hopefully they can keep up a good pace and entertaining season. But then we had HBO's John from Cincinnati which only got one season. That was the show that made some folks feel old here because Rebecca De Mornay was playing a grandmother. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Harvard Psychedelic Club
Thanks for posting this, it looks great and I found it at my library! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a book out called The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Psychedelic-Club-Timothy-Fifties/dp/0061655937 (I believe the title is a reference to the Harvard Metaphysical Club, which included Oliver Wendell Holmes, William James, Charles Sanders Peirce, and John Dewey.) http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysical-Club-Story-Ideas-America/dp/0374528497
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Hopefully they can keep up a good pace and entertaining season. But then we had HBO's John from Cincinnati which only got one season. And that despite having been created by David Milch, one of the gods of television (for Deadwood, which makes almost every TV critic's Top Five List). I still think that JFC was a tremendous series, for much the same reasons I like Enlightened so far. It probes beneath the surface myth of the enlightened and digs into what it what it might be like to hang with them and on a daily basis, down and dirty and in the mud. That's very rare. Most try to pedestalize such people. That was the show that made some folks feel old here because Rebecca De Mornay was playing a grandmother. :-D A really HOT grandmother. :-) In real life she has two daughters, and at 52 she's still lookin' hotter than most of the current crop of Hollywood hotties. Plus, if you think about it, the woman's got an interesting quotient that just won't quit. How many beautiful movie stars do you know of who lived with Leonard Cohen for years? I know of only one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face. The very person who enumerated the shamataa teaching Vag likes to opine about gave explanations about how to develop various meditative siddhi-s (abhijña). Part of the training for bodhisattvas is cultivation of siddhi-s/abhijña to be able to better serve people in samsara. If you want, here are the sources: 1. teachings of nine (9) stages of shamataa and the four (4) types of attention are from Arya Asanga - Bodhisattva.bhuumi and S(h)raavaka.bhuumi 2. teachings about the six (6) powers of application in the development of shamataa are from S(h)ri Maitreya - Mahaayana.suutra.alankara 3. Arya Asanga's S(h)raavaka.bhuumi details the five (5) most important ideas in the development of siddhi/abhijña. Arya Asanga on five ideas used in cultivating abhijñas Among those practitioners, by taking recourse to the (four) dhyana-s, one accomplishes the five supernormal faculties. As follows: when that meditator has attainment of completely pure meditation (dhyana-samaapatti) whatever be the doctrine heard, held, and studied by him with mental orientation of the equipoise stage (upeksha) he, taking recourse to that completely pure meditation, having oriented his mind to just that meditation in order to master the supernormal faculties there comes in time, the occasion when his fruits of the cultivation, the five supernormal faculties, arise. Furthermore, the person who especially knows the meaning and especially knows the doctrine that way, cultivates twelve ideas in order to accomplish all the supernormal faculties 1) Among them, by the idea of lightness, he is convinced that his body is light, like the cotton of the tuula shrub or cotton of the karpaasa type in a whirlwind. He, being so convinced, at that place dispatches himself by means of a mental orientation derived solely from conviction, as though from the cot to the stool, from the stool to the cot; likewise, from the cot to the grass, from the mat to the cot. 2) Among those, (by) the idea of softness, he is convinced that his body is soft, like silk or hair of fine cloth. By the idea of softness, by the idea of lightness, this idea of lightness that he nourishes and fosters attains great increase. 3) Among those, the idea of the (empty) space realm (akasha) is the idea by which he is convinced that his body has lightness and softness. If he wishes to go somewhere, whatever intervening corporeal substance creates an obstacle for going there, by means of a mental orientation derived solely from conviction, he is convinced that it (the corporeal substance) is space. 4) Among those, the idea of conjoining mind and body is the one by which either he joins mind to body or body to mind, for which reason his body becomes lighter, becomes softer, more serviceable, and more radiant; and following mind, tied to mind, based upon mind, it proceeds. 5) Among those, the ideas of perfect freedom is the idea by which he transforms the distant to the near, the near to the distant; the fine to the coarse; the coarse to the fine; earth in water, water into earth; accordingly, with each one of the great elements, what is to be mutually effected at length. Thus with those five perfect ideas belonging to the cultivation, he severally experiences the diverse fields of magical power. Having become single, he exhibits himself in multiple forms, by means of an idea pertaining to transformation and pertaining to magical manifestation. At that place, furthermore, he exhibits himself in multiple forms and becomes single, namely, by means of an idea of perfect freedom pertaining to magical manifestation and disappearance. He goes through the wall, through the hill, through the rampart, with an unhindered body (as though in space). With that he goes and performs submergence and emergence in the earth as though in water. Without sinking, he walks on the streams as though on earth. In the posture of folded legs, he ascends to the sky like a winged bird; or with his hands he strokes and catches these two the sun and the moon which are so great of magical power, so great of dignity, so great of splendor. With that body he makes a tour de force up to the world of Brahma. He does all that, to be understood according to circumstances, be means of the idea of perfect freedom controlled by the ideas of lightness, softness, space realm, and conjoining of mind and body. Here two kinds of tour de force by that body pertain to the world of Brahma: He makes a tour de force (1) by the fact of going, or (2) by a (magical) transformation as desired, from the world of Brahma downwards, of the four great elements and of any (= every) form having those (elements) as its condition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:07 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: Siddhis don't really cause you to acquire vyutthAna (SCI-speak: outward-stroke) samskaras, they're
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self- proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Harvard Psychedelic Club
It's good, but I liked Storming Heaven, LSD The American Dream a lot more. I also enjoyed WHAT THE DORMOUSE SAID (How the 60's Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry). Although I'm a fan of Tim Leary; I really enjoyed the audio book of Timothy Leary by Robert Greenfield which angered Ram Dass and Metzner. If anyone's interested, Ram Dass still does a monthly webcast from his place in Maui? Ram Dass has yet to forgive Andrew Weil for the behavior that is covered in The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. I found Houston Smith fascinating in both The Harvard Psychedelic Club... and Storming Heaven I believe Dana Sawyer (my favorite---after Ravi---BatGap interview) is working on a biography of Houston Smith, which I am looking forward to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1M7zpdv0Q http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Sawyer The best audio archive I've found on the web for all subjects psychedelic is: http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/ There is a menu of podcasts on the right of the page. Curtis have you read, DMT: The Spirit Molecule? With your interest in neuroscience I think you might find it interesting, I did. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:59:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Harvard Psychedelic Club Thanks for posting this, it looks great and I found it at my library! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a book out called The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Psychedelic-Club-Timothy-Fifties/dp/0061655937 (I believe the title is a reference to the Harvard Metaphysical Club, which included Oliver Wendell Holmes, William James, Charles Sanders Peirce, and John Dewey.) http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysical-Club-Story-Ideas-America/dp/0374528497
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Harvard Psychedelic Club
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Curtis have you read, DMT: The Spirit Molecule? With your interest in neuroscience I think you might find it interesting, I did. I have read another book on its use as an entheogen. I agree, very interesting. I'll check out your recommended book, thanks. Did you see the video of Tim Leary and Gordon Liddy debates? They had a very entertaining road show for a while. It's good, but I liked Storming Heaven, LSD The American Dream a lot more. I also enjoyed WHAT THE DORMOUSE SAID (How the 60's Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry). Although I'm a fan of Tim Leary; I really enjoyed the audio book of Timothy Leary by Robert Greenfield which angered Ram Dass and Metzner. If anyone's interested, Ram Dass still does a monthly webcast from his place in Maui? Ram Dass has yet to forgive Andrew Weil for the behavior that is covered in The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. I found Houston Smith fascinating in both The Harvard Psychedelic Club... and Storming Heaven I believe Dana Sawyer (my favorite---after Ravi---BatGap interview) is working on a biography of Houston Smith, which I am looking forward to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1M7zpdv0Q http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Sawyer The best audio archive I've found on the web for all subjects psychedelic is: http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/ There is a menu of podcasts on the right of the page. Curtis have you read, DMT: The Spirit Molecule? With your interest in neuroscience I think you might find it interesting, I did. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:59:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Harvard Psychedelic Club Thanks for posting this, it looks great and I found it at my library! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: There's a book out called The Harvard Psychedelic Club: How Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Huston Smith, and Andrew Weil Killed the Fifties and Ushered in a New Age for America. http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Psychedelic-Club-Timothy-Fifties/dp/0061655937 (I believe the title is a reference to the Harvard Metaphysical Club, which included Oliver Wendell Holmes, William James, Charles Sanders Peirce, and John Dewey.) http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysical-Club-Story-Ideas-America/dp/0374528497 Â
[FairfieldLife] Union Official gets $500.000 pension.
'Insane' even by Illinois standards? Union official to get $500,000 in pensions Joint investigation by Chicago Tribune and WGN-TV finds at least eight labor leaders stand to get pensions from both the city and union for the same time periodA labor leader in Chicago is expected to receive pension payments of nearly $500,000 a year, while another could get about $438,000 a year, according to reports Wednesday.Only on msnbc.com 1. 1. German officials admit using spyware on citizens http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/11/8274668-german-officials-\ admit-using-spyware-on-citizens-as-big-brother-scandal-grows 2. Royal wedding fever grips mysterious nation http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/12/8286697-royal-wedding-f\ ever-grips-mysterious-nation 3. Romney leads in Iowa and New Hampshire http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44850577/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/romney\ -leads-iowa-new-hampshire/ 4. More bad supplement news: Vitamin E may be risky for prostate http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/11/8273189-more-bad-supplemen\ t-news-vitamin-e-may-be-risky-for-prostate 5. Turn off peanut allergies? Scientists may know how http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/11/8272802-turn-off-food-alle\ rgies-scientists-working-on-a-way 6. Lights out for Mich. city trying to save money http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/11/8273666-lights-out-for\ -michigan-city-trying-to-save-money 7. ConsumerMan: `Smishing' scam hits western states http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44846369/ns/business-consumer_news/t/wester\ n-us-hit-smishing-bank-scam/ The Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-pensions-double-dip-201\ 11012,0,457656.story?page=1 and WGN-TV http://www.wgntv.com/news/ct-met-pensions-double-dip-20111012,0,4034435\ .story , which obtained information about union pension benefits during a joint investigation, said at least eight union officials in Chicago were eligible for what were described as inflated city pensions on top of union pensions for the same period of employment. The news organizations said this was due to a charitable interpretation of Illinois law by officials representing two city pension funds. Can you name any place in the world where someone can get two pensions for the same job? state Rep. Tom Cross, a Republican, told the paper http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-pensions-double-dip-201\ 11012,0,457656.story?page=1 . Even by our standards here in Illinois, it's beyond belief. It's insane. Chicago and Illinois are facing financial trouble, in part due to pension shortfalls. On Tuesday, state Sen. Mark Kirk released a report on Illinois' debt that said it had the worst credit rating of any state and that its debt was rising, NBC Chicago reported http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/kirk-illinois-debt-131563718.\ html . Kirk said the state was nearly insolvent and said he doubted there would be any help from Washington. Advertise http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31066137/media-kit/ | AdChoices http://g.msn.com/AIPRIV/en-us It's highly unlikely that the federal government would ever bail out a spend-thrift state. Therefore, Illinois needs to fix this on its own, he said. Amid the city's financial woes, Mayor Rahm Emanuel has reportedly proposed a budget that would see three of Chicago's oldest police stations closed http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/fop-police-reaction-district-\ closures-131567848.html . The budget was due to be unveiled Wednesday. $9 million over lifetime? The Tribune said the official who was expected to get about $438,000 a year http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-pensions-double-dip-201\ 11012,0,457656.story?page=1 would do so from three pensions covering the same work period: a city laborers fund, a union district council fund and a national union fund. It said an analysis showed that this 59-year-old union official, Liberato Al Naimoli, would get a total of about $9 million if he lived to his expected lifespan. Another official, Charles LoVerde III, a former trustee of the city laborers' pension fund, stood to receive three pensions for the same time period totaling nearly $500,000 a year, the investigation found. The Tribune said he took leave of absence in 1998 from a job with the city's water management department, which paid $44,000 a year, to work full time for the local. The paper said the law states that union leaders with city pensions cannot receive credit in any pension plan established by the local labor organization based on his employment by the organization. But pension fund officials say a union district council is not a local labor organization, the paper said. The Legislature never told us how to administer this
[FairfieldLife] Re: Age-Activated Attention Deficit
Curtis, at the end of this, I'm responding to your questions about Buck, since I'm almost out of posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I believe you are missing his point but I could be wrong. In the way I understand it, he is making a distinction between thinking the mantra and any other thought. OK, you don't want to acknowledge the problem. Doesn't really surprise me. You are off to a bad start. I don't agree with the problem you have with his terminology and have spelled out why. You haven't *addressed* the problem I've outlined. You've tiptoed all around it. In what you wrote right after having read the posts I referred you to, you defended a number of points that I hadn't disputed, that weren't among my objections. I told you that in my response. The idea of a distinction between thinking the mantra and thinking any other thought is one of those I haven't objected to, and yet here you are bringing it up again as if I had. And when you weren't defending points I had never objected to, you went all meta about how I didn't get his point, or your point, or both, that I was just trying to make him wrong, and that I was confusing levels and so on. But you *haven't addressed what I WAS objecting to*. I went back over the posts just now to make sure. When I say wasn't objecting to, I mean wasn't what I consider evidence that Vaj was never a TM teacher, not that these were necessarily points that I agree with. As far as I'm concerned, those are two different categories. He says a whole lot that I disagree with, but only certain things that he gets *factually* wrong about the practice and the instruction fall into the category of evidence that he was never a TM teacher. The main ones are waiting for the mantra and monitoring one's meditation and that one is enjoined to maintain mindfulness. And those are the ones you haven't addressed. snip Here, finally, you take something of a stab at it: The way you are paraphrasing it out of the context of his post seems misleading to how I understood what he was saying. I have taught people who couldn't get it right about not having to pick up the mantra because it seemed like an effort. And you told them to wait for the mantra and to monitor their meditation to make sure that...what?? To keep checking to see if they're thinking thoughts instead of mantra? (Although you didn't respond to the above.) What *was* he saying, Curtis? You keep saying I'm missing his point, but you never say what you think his point *is*. I explained what I thought this meant in detail. You really, really did not, Curtis. Here, as noted, you sort of do: It is a way of looking at the use of the mantra as different from other thoughts which was the context of the point. (No objection--see above for what I mean by objection-- to this. But of course it's not what is meant in the TM instruction by just like any other thought. That refers to effortlessness. It's just as you would think any other thought, not the mantra is a thought just like any other. Of course it's different in that you entertain it until you lose it. Duh.) There is no part of my awareness that repeats any other thoughts, with the mantra there is, he is calling that monitoring, neurologically he is correct. That is how the mind knows that we are off the mantra. I don't know how you can call that monitoring, neurologically or any other way. The train of ordinary thought has ended, and the next thought that pops up is, I'm not entertaining the mantra. How is that monitoring? He made further distinctions which I also explained before which distinguished beginners and experienced meditators. None of which had to do with waiting for the mantra or mindfulness or monitoring one's meditation. snip But in Vaj's view they should get a proper instruction from an authorized teacher if I understand him right. There is no reason for him to support the practice of a practice he considers fraudulent. OK, so by you would be perfectly OK for him to deliberately misrepresent TM instruction and practice because he considers it fraudulent. (Assuming in this case that he had done TM.) I can't find where I said this. That's exactly what your response implies in context. And if someone here who practiced one of the techniques he believes is authentic misrepresented it because they considered it fraudulent, presumably he wouldn't object, right? I'm just gunna watch you go down this trail but not join you. That's also implied. If it's OK for him to do it with TM, it should be OK for somebody else to do it with a technique he approves of. snip And an appealing idea is that he never really did TM because if he did, then he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012
I've worked with several Mormon guys. They're good people. But that doesn't mean I'll vote for Romney. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Hey now, the bill had a tax surcharge on millionaires and they want to delay to make it even harder for the American people. Â I am thinking it is so funny that everyone keeps talking about the lower 99%. Â Seriously? Â Reads like an oxymoron to me. Another weird thing. Â There are ads on TV here that were running last week that have separately featured an African-American, Latino, and woman...each claiming with peaceful smiles that they are Mormon. Â I've never seen the Mormon faith advertised on TV before, although Mitt Romney is on his way to Seattle to chat with Microsoft this week. Â Â From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012 Â Typo brain fart, kind, was meant to be can. LOL Sorry --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: What kind anyone expect if the generation was brainwashed with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBeOdLHSPU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: By voting against the jobs bill, Senate Republicans have shown where their allegiance lie. They are not for improving the economy and to provide jobs for Americans. Hence, discerning American citizens will overwhelmingly vote to re-elect President in 2012. http://news.yahoo.com/senate-republicans-vote-kill-obamas-jobs-bill-230811759.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: I've worked with several Mormon guys. They're good people. But that doesn't mean I'll vote for Romney. http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/10/09/potential-race-between-black-guy-and-mormon-poses-dilemma-for-bigots/ Potential Race Between Black Guy and Mormon Poses Dilemma for Bigots Doomsday Scenario, Haters Say
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-) Better things can happen to me. Like that time I got talked into wearing a kilt to a costume party. Got drunk as Hell at the party, staggered to my car, fell asleep beside it.I'm told that two young ladies passed by, wondered to each other whether or not it's true men don't wear anything under their kilts. Well, I was stone cold out when it appears they lifted up my kilt. They saw I was in the state God made me. As they left, one said to the other that perhaps they should leave a little momento of their visit. One happened to have some blue ribbon in her purse. Every so quietly they tied it around my pride and joy then left. Nature called, I went over to the bushes and felt the ribbon. I looked down and said well, I don't know where you've been, Lad, but at least you won first prize.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Wants to Fly
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Wants to Fly On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:57 AM, maskedzebra wrote: MZ: Now I would like to say something about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. To be physically near to him (you more or less had to do Transcendental Meditation to 'get' Maharishi) was to be near the most alive, sensitive, entertaining, compelling, ironic, strong, attractive, deep personality that you could ever imagine. No one who was close to Maharishias a disciple, as an initiatorhas ever, in rejecting Maharishi, acquired an experience (in this repudiation of his authenticity as a spiritual Master) that qualitatively (in the negative sense) compared the experience of loving and surrendering to him. To know Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (say, in the early and mid-seventiesand before this) was to know (if one came to be close to him physically) the most beautiful human being in the world. Maharishi implied to us that he was in Unity Consciousness. In those halcyon days, to doubt the whole universe was somehow perfectly representing itself in Maharishi would be the same as doubting that the Atlantic Ocean is full of wetness. Maharishi's brilliance and beauty and charisma were virtually physical. Now, if I come across anyone who once was in the Movement and devoted to Maharishi who can conjure up an experience which I feel comes from a deeper place in his rejection of Maharishi than he (or she) came from when he or she loved, adored, and even worshiped Maharishi, I stand refuted. But this cannot happen. Or at least, it has not happened yet. Vaj: But it has. Sit down and talk to one of Mahesh's personal secretaries and hear their stories. Hear how the person they revered and adored slowly lost the mask of respectability and gained their suspicion. The revelatory 'Maharshee' drone-lectures that ended up being from coached pre-lecture sessionsby westerners reading from English translations. The weirdness, the something's not right feelings and the process of slowly finding out why all was quite not what it seemed. The angry outbursts lasting hours, unheard of in the holy; the destruction of lives; the visit of Mahesh to the revered Shankaracharya of the South who placed Mahesh's awareness within his own Brahman Consciousness and declared his consciousness like that of a busy supermarket and on and on. Perhaps if you get the right person, you'll hear of the legitimate saints they went on to meet and the remarkable differences. There's many ways one can do this. The saint who can explain how certain yogis will use different methods to effectively numb out and dumb out their students. Or take a psychic friend and just pop in on a Purusha facility. I get that Mahesh had all the attributes of a celebrity and he certainly had the garb and the mystique that we naive westerners thought must be holy. But a glimpse behind the facade is all it takes for all of that to fall away...if you even want to do so. Most will not want to pull off the veils of their cherishes memories of youth. Many cannot. As you see, our engrained ego-sense loves to hold onto these stories. If we were associated in some way with that story, it makes it even more unlikely that we'd be willing to let go. No one likes to feel naked in that sense, esp. if we have no new equally vogue garb to replace it with. So I suspect you're deeply attached to these stories. You're still telling the same stories you were telling back in the 80's and in the very same way; the same phrasing, the same grandiose conviction, delivery and almost - but not quite - the same oomph. Dear Vaj: Excellent rebuttal, and you have produced in me just the kind of psychological and ontological dissonance that is worthy of the topic: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I won't, and can't, refute the content of what you put before me: I will simply have to take it inand I have. Nevertheless, I feel that my own personal contact with Maharishi; my communications with two of his secretaries/skin boys: Rob McCutcheon and Mark Landau (especially the latter); my correspondence with Judith Bourque (and reading her book); my having initiated hundreds of persons into Transcendental Meditation; my having done the requisite long rounding; my having received and experienced all the techniques; and finally, having undergone the actual experience of enlightenment:all this puts me in a position of being able to form an impression of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi which must have some validity to it. Where your analysis, argument, counter-evidence comes in is in the extent to which I was mystically deceived in the presence of Maharishi; the extent to which psychedelic drugs and then TM created a receptivity and openness and credulity in my consciousness, in my nervous system which allowed the formation of an experience and judgment which was not congruent with the actual truth of who Maharishi was. I tend to believe this is the case. Confession: early in 1968
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
emptybill: More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face... And, don't forget about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Wisdom Activities Path Six Methods of Accomplishment), each one produces it's own siddhi. The six yogas were intended in part to help in the attainment of siddhi and enlightenment in an accelerated manner... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Yogas_of_Naropa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-) Hold on there, Vaj. Is the RC posting here the same guy who gave the you're enlightened already seminars at the Best Western and played hide the salami with underage boys in his mobile home on the BW parking lot?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:51 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face... And, don't forget about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Wisdom Activities Path Six Methods of Accomplishment), each one produces it's own siddhi. And once again, sadly not the same thing as people cultivating yogic siddhis through the samyama formulae. And of the course the greatest saints of the Shankaracharya tradition stand by me on this. Not to mention Patanjali-nath. Having received all of the various yogas of Naropa they are absolutely nothing at all like the TM-Sidhi program. There is no comparison. To even suggest they're alike is laughable. While the TM-Sidhi program accumulates samskaras, the yogas of Naropa burn them away. They make you clearer and clearer. Stop reading so many books, they're just confusing you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
turquoiseb: ...(for Deadwood, which makes almost every TV critic's Top Five List). Deadwood is not in the top five. The best TV show of all time was David Lynch's and Mark Frost's 'Twin Peaks' IMO. At the 48th Golden Globe Awards, it won for Best TV Series Drama. In 1997, the pilot episode was ranked #25 on TV Guide's 100 Greatest Episodes of All Time. Twin Peaks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks
[FairfieldLife] The True Purpose of the Internet
Cats in Hats: http://dearwendy.com/videos/friday-fun-cats-in-hats/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On 10/12/2011 09:33 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriendjst...@panix.com wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. It's HBO. Do you have a subscription to it? It should be repeating throughout the week and available OnDemand. If you are still traveling and in a hotel check to see if they have HBO on the TV as some do. Otherwise there is always the eyepatch solution. New episodes air at 9:30 PM Mondays.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened and FFL -- the importance of groupthink
On 10/12/2011 10:15 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Hopefully they can keep up a good pace and entertaining season. But then we had HBO's John from Cincinnati which only got one season. And that despite having been created by David Milch, one of the gods of television (for Deadwood, which makes almost every TV critic's Top Five List). I still think that JFC was a tremendous series, for much the same reasons I like Enlightened so far. It probes beneath the surface myth of the enlightened and digs into what it what it might be like to hang with them and on a daily basis, down and dirty and in the mud. That's very rare. Most try to pedestalize such people. Oh,oh. HBO’s Enlightened Debuts to a Very Small Audience, Even for HBO: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/10/hbos_enlightened_debuts_to_a_v.html Maybe it should have been about a woman who suffers a breakdown at her company and shoots a bunch of people. Then in prison has a rehab program where she learns meditation but then is recruited by the CIA as an undercover agent as a stripper in a night club. Yup, that might make the great unwashed tune in. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: It's HBO. Do you have a subscription to it? It should be repeating throughout the week and available OnDemand. If you are still traveling and in a hotel check to see if they have HBO on the TV as some do. Otherwise there is always the eyepatch solution. New episodes air at 9:30 PM Mondays. Thanks, but I'm in a hotel that appeals more to dudes. Lots of ESPN, Showtime, PPV and FOX. Within stumbling distance from South Carolina, which pretty much serves as the Barbary Coast to North Carolina. There's even a big flea market right across the border that appeals to the Hispanic population, plus the sports bars, liquor stores and mega gas stations which sell gas $0.20-0.80 less per gallon than available anywhere in N.C. Also raw milk, free range chickens and eggs. I'd imagine meth is available so one doesn't have to drive all the way to Heavenly Mountain to get some.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The True Purpose of the Internet [1 Attachment]
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Cats in Hats: http://dearwendy.com/videos/friday-fun-cats-in-hats/ Yeah, sure. Of course that's the true purpose of the Internet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Republicans Voted to Make Obama President in 2012
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: By voting against the jobs bill, Senate Republicans have shown where their allegiance lie. They are not for improving the economy and to provide jobs for Americans. Hence, discerning American citizens will overwhelmingly vote to re-elect President in 2012. http://news.yahoo.com/senate-republicans-vote-kill-obamas-jobs-bill-230811759.html Mitt Romney said it best, I'm not for band-aid solutions and that's all it is, another temporary FIX! Understand? It only short term; get out of the way Obama, just get OUT of the way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jennifer Lynch's Hisss on Netflix WI
On 10/11/2011 02:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Says in HD and 1:33:1 but probably widescreen and the listing is wrong. It was shot in scope or 2:35:1. Of course she's David's daughter and some here liked her Surveillance film. In Hindi with subtitles. Nagins another mythical India thing and there are sects that worship cobras. A nagin is a snake that changes back and forth from human form. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Hisss/70170181 No dancing around trees. It's a fairly decent horror film and not as tweaky as Surveillance. There is no dancing around trees though a 30 second dance during a crowd celebrating Holi which fits right into the film. Oh, but there is some nudity. There is an older 1950s or so Indian movie called Nagin I have a copy of that tackles shape shifting cobras and the sect that worships them. I think the prior administration would have kicked Lynch out of India for making the film but probably not the current liberal one. Film was presented in HD and 2:35:1 aspect ratio. I might have to rent the disc at Redbox if there is a commentary on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Restlessness carried him to yet another teacher who eventually killed himself. Somewhere inside his subconsciousness the Turqo is well aware that he missed the only chance he had to gain enlightenment by dropping TM, then spent the rest of his life in a meaningless limbo. I've seen that happen to a few others I know who are also approaching old age with little or nothing in their hands, who share his deep frustrations of a life which missed the target so miserably. He certainly has my deepest sympathy, but he should have seen it coming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning, too busy greasing myself up like I'm going to a star in a greased pig contest, too busy trying to figure out what to eat for breakfast, be it what my mother cooked for me (recycled concentration camp food), a boiled apple, something appropriate to my dosha (kilbasa and eggs, an Irish Fry, the full monty) or nothing at all and in which direction to face. Heck, when I started TM I had time to do TM. Now I'm so confused about which rule, issued which day, month, year, in which country, to follow that I don't have time to meditate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Your assessment rings true to me also. Dude tries to be all free and easy, but that's just it, he tries, and the effort shows. Enough about him. Anyway, I just bought a beautiful XK8 coupe over the weekend, so I think I will go drive around - I am using any excuse to do so, although the car always wants to exceed the speed limit - go figure.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Restlessness carried him to yet another teacher who eventually killed himself. Somewhere inside his subconsciousness the Turqo is well aware that he missed the only chance he had to gain enlightenment by dropping TM, then spent the rest of his life in a meaningless limbo. I've seen that happen to a few others I know who are also approaching old age with little or nothing in their hands, who share his deep frustrations of a life which missed the target so miserably. He certainly has my deepest sympathy, but he should have seen it coming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jennifer Lynch's Hisss on Netflix WI
On 10/12/2011 12:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/11/2011 02:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Says in HD and 1:33:1 but probably widescreen and the listing is wrong. It was shot in scope or 2:35:1. Of course she's David's daughter and some here liked her Surveillance film. In Hindi with subtitles. Nagins another mythical India thing and there are sects that worship cobras. A nagin is a snake that changes back and forth from human form. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Hisss/70170181 No dancing around trees. It's a fairly decent horror film and not as tweaky as Surveillance. There is no dancing around trees though a 30 second dance during a crowd celebrating Holi which fits right into the film. Oh, but there is some nudity. There is an older 1950s or so Indian movie called Nagin I have a copy of that tackles shape shifting cobras and the sect that worships them. I think the prior administration would have kicked Lynch out of India for making the film but probably not the current liberal one. Film was presented in HD and 2:35:1 aspect ratio. I might have to rent the disc at Redbox if there is a commentary on it. On IMDB.com it says that the film was taken away from her in post production and turned into a horror film. She had a love story in mind. It's still sorta there but that explains a little funkier editing and some scenes that didn't exactly make sense. So there would be no commentary on the disc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
Wonderful, thank you WIlly 2. Proof positive of what I've said: TM is such a superficial state, it's not possible for siddhis to arise as they should, spontaneously (sahaja). No wonder their nervous systems are so screwed up. I bet you stopped your program, didn't you Bill? As we've already discussed here in considerable detail already, while TMers remain in shallow trance states, shamatha transcenders have been scientifically shown by real scientists, including Nobel laureates to attain profound states of consciousness within weeks. They often transcend for many hours at a time! - not mere seconds or the occasional minute. In fact their transcendence is so deep, it has effects at the cellular level and actually reverses aging - a state TMers have long dreamed of, but never have achieved. No wonder they're able to spontaneously achieve so much! It's no wonder Buddhist meditation can be found in most US hospitals. You should try it Willy 2. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:39 PM, emptybill wrote: If you want, here are the sources: 1. teachings of nine (9) stages of shamataa and the four (4) types of attention are from Arya Asanga - Bodhisattva.bhuumi and S(h)raavaka.bhuumi 2. teachings about the six (6) powers of application in the development of shamataa are from S(h)ri Maitreya - Mahaayana.suutra.alankara 3. Arya Asanga's S(h)raavaka.bhuumi details the five (5) most important ideas in the development of siddhi/abhijña. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:51 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face... And, don't forget about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Wisdom Activities Path Six Methods of Accomplishment), each one produces it's own siddhi. And once again, sadly not the same thing as people cultivating yogic siddhis through the samyama formulae. And of the course the greatest saints of the Shankaracharya tradition stand by me on this. Not to mention Patanjali-nath. I guess I'd have to explain to those chaps, what seems to be the most likely reason they misread te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH. I'd prolly do that mainly using the concept of deep structure of Chomsky's transformational grammar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformational_grammar
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry? Corn cob? Might be worth a try. Someone gave me a toilet brush for Christmas. After a few weeks I switched back to using paper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
On topic and off topic of corn cobs, years ago, someone wrote a bunch of in TMO humor songs. I think one was entitled, My experience is better than yours. It made me crack up when I heard this compilation of songs. I would love to hear them again. Does anyone have a link to them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry? Corn cob? Might be worth a try. Someone gave me a toilet brush for Christmas. After a few weeks I switched back to using paper.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:36 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:51 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face... And, don't forget about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Wisdom Activities Path Six Methods of Accomplishment), each one produces it's own siddhi. And once again, sadly not the same thing as people cultivating yogic siddhis through the samyama formulae. And of the course the greatest saints of the Shankaracharya tradition stand by me on this. Not to mention Patanjali-nath. I guess I'd have to explain to those chaps, what seems to be the most likely reason they misread te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH. I'd prolly do that mainly using the concept of deep structure of Chomsky's transformational grammar: Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but no matter how hard your try to rationalize your TM-Sidhi practice, I think you're missing the underlying intention which is reiterated time after time by the Hindu sages. The good news is if you want to cultivate universal forms of compassion for all sentient beings, there are Buddhist tantric practices involving siddhis that won't send you on the downward spiral of lives...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. His paradigm for reflexive awarenss is John Brunner's famous line: Christ, what an imagination I've got! (see below) In Stand on Zanzabar -- John Brunner's great, sprawling, sprinting, lunatic of a novel written in 1968 the author foresees the world of 2010 as a place where http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandOnZanzibar : the population of Earth has reached 7 billion. The Soviet Union is defunct as a superpower, but China is rapidly industrializing and increasing in power. Giant corporations have large enough economies to control entire countries. In-vitro fertilization and genetic mapping are becoming a reality. A computer the size of a large book is more powerful than the most massive supercomputers of the Sixties. Personalized digital avatars of yourself feature in everyday entertainment. Religious denominations are rapidly polarizing on moral issues like abortion. And ordinary people suddenly snap and go on killing sprees in schools, workplaces, and malls. One of the famous through lines of the multi-viewpoint novel is provided by a stoner named Bennie Noakes, who spends most of his time wasted on a drug called Triptine, randomly flipping through the 1000 channels available on the teevee and musing Christ, what an imagination I've got! because the sheer weirdness of what he is seeing is getting so dense that it has become impossible for him to believe it. \ .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. His paradigm for reflexive awarenss is John Brunner's famous line: Christ, what an imagination I've got! snip Very funny and well said!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy Wall Street Myth-Makers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-FXkj-r9Mc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Now that the Tea Party is on the wane and the OWS movement is ascendant, a new myth is taking hold: That there was once a good, pre-lapsarian Tea Party which the corporatists co-opted. Some of the myth-makers would even have you believe that both parties were equally responsible for the rape of teabagger innocence. That, of course, is pure FoxShit. We cannot allow this false history to take hold. Even in its gestative form, the Tea Party was an absolute evil. http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2011/10/ows-lets-save-kids-so-they-can-save-us.html
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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Oct 08 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Oct 15 00:00:00 2011 447 messages as of (UTC) Wed Oct 12 22:59:19 2011 48 authfriend jst...@panix.com 46 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 40 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 39 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 31 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 31 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 21 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 18 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 17 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 16 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 15 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 12 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 11 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 10 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 9 maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 8 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 7 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 John jr_...@yahoo.com 6 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 5 wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net 5 oye34vay msilver1...@yahoo.com 5 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com 4 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 4 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 3 johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com 2 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 2 jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com 2 Jean jeanjes...@q.com 1 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 1 shainm307 shainm...@yahoo.com 1 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 wle...@aol.com 1 Sharalyn homeonthef...@iowatelecom.net 1 Paulo Barbosa tprob...@terra.com.br Posters: 37 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
[FairfieldLife] Ex Nihilo
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/de_Jesus.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo
Tom Pall wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: You mean blowing or waving out the flame on the end of the stick of incense, right? lol I do either, and waving it around can send the ember lose and burning a hole onto whereever it is flung. lol OK, how many here don't sniff the flowers because the fragrance is meant for Maharishi or Guru Dev or the Holy Tradition? How many bought a brand new handkerchief for each initiation and were very careful not to just stick the thing in their pocket to use as a snot rag afterwards? I, for one have always made those observances you seem to denigrate. And you forgot about the quaint practice of disposing of everything afterward in a natural body of water. I've always done that as well- white cloth, coconut shell, teny bits of incense stick, the whole nine yards. And if I could get a line on betel leaves, they'd be there, too. And I do not account myself the least bit woo-woo for the effort. Rather, I find it satisfying to bring puja to its proper conclusion; a promise made and kept. I also admit to being puzzled by the notion that there are those who consider a body of knowledge sufficiently valuable to warrant their going through considerable efforts to be able to learn it, while at the same time valuing it little enough to disparage innocent paspects of it. Just my two cents' worth. Back to lurking. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Hum, not a bad idea but he has too much hubris to pull that one off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
[FairfieldLife] Will the dead be Resurrected?
They will not Reconstitute themselves http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/Reid.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, It is not though. It is honest and accurate. that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: vibhuuti_s and siddhi_s?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:36 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:51 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: More B.S. Card, handed to you with a straight face... And, don't forget about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Wisdom Activities Path Six Methods of Accomplishment), each one produces it's own siddhi. And once again, sadly not the same thing as people cultivating yogic siddhis through the samyama formulae. And of the course the greatest saints of the Shankaracharya tradition stand by me on this. Not to mention Patanjali-nath. I guess I'd have to explain to those chaps, what seems to be the most likely reason they misread te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH. I'd prolly do that mainly using the concept of deep structure of Chomsky's transformational grammar: Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but no matter how hard your try to rationalize your TM-Sidhi practice, I think you're missing the underlying intention which is reiterated time after time by the Hindu sages. The good news is if you want to cultivate universal forms of compassion for all sentient beings, there are Buddhist tantric practices involving siddhis that won't send you on the downward spiral of lives... Vaj, how spiritual do you think it is of you to say that any path (TM or any other method) is going to send you on the downward spiral of lives? As if you know it all. Its as babyish as saying My spiritual path is better than yours, which you always love to do. Any opportunity to put down MMY or TM, you will take it. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Do you think you are saving us poor Tmers from a fate of delusion? Vaj, your ego is showing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Persistence Of Woo Woo
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:02 PM, P Duff pd...@microcephalic-endeavors.comwrote: Tom Pall wrote: P Duff of the lesser Boston area? The for a time a contributor to alt.meditation.transcendental? You're alive and kicking? Wonderful? How's life been? You been part of this group all along and I just noticed you or you just revealed yourself? I wasn't an initiator, I was just pussy whipped by a bunch of them so I didn't get involved in dumping what was left over from the Puja off the Tallahatchie River bridge. BTW, I took a special detour on my way to Queen City from Austin to visit that very bridge. Nothing to write home about. Glad to see ya back, boy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Thanks for the explanation Judy, like Alex said he always came across as a serious guy - I may be wrong - hopefully he can clarify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Looks like Buck may have bucked the trend and was just joking, we will see.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Yep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Ah, Barry's up really early. But he's convinced Buck is dead serious. What did I just now tell you, Ravi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. Here's the relevant quote, referring to me and raunchy: Dumb angry cunts too stupid to live. It's interesting how Barry always cites the spontaneous combustion thing rather than the above line. Almost as if he were embarrassed by it. And why was he so enraged at us? Because we had criticized Obama during the primaries. Oh, and just a reminder: When I mentioned death threats aimed at women on FFL, in passing, parenthetically, without using his name or quoting him, Barry *instantly* knew what I was referring to. Nobody else did. And he proceeded to make a *huge* fuss. Talk about guilty conscience... He's been trying to live it down ever since. Kinda puts paid to the notion he promotes here constantly that he doesn't care what anybody thinks of him and feels no need to defend himself, don't it? The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Finally, think Ravi. His first appearance on FFL was actually more of a meltdown than the fictional Amy's. When people here failed to treat him as the enlightened being he presented himself as, he became so manic and so abusive that almost everyone on the forum was calling for some kind of intervention, to help him seek professional help and hopefully prevent him from doing harm to either himself or (more likely) to his wife. Now he's calmed down a bit, but is still in the same mould as Jim; every time someone pushes his buttons he seemingly *has* to react by insulting the person who isn't treating him the way he expects to be treated, and by trying to discredit them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Ravi believes in, and presents to us as something we should both revere and hope to aspire to. WTF? Yeah WTF indeed? Really hilarious the way you spin it Barry. But what you say is right - enlightenment is nothing special and there is no need to revere the enlightened and treat them as special, conversely there is no need for the enlightened to act special, there's no moral, legal ethical code binding the outer behavior. To say that I demanded respect from anyone on this list when I came aboard is ridiculous. It's all out there, I really gave it all back and had so much fun. I have a rule - if someone lobs shit at me - I double down and lob it back - I'm a yogi you see and don't like attachments :-) Can't you see how you are contradicting yourself - you say enlightenment is nothing special but then at the same time demand some kind of morally appropriate behavior and that they need to be a role model - WTF? So I'm a low vibe slimeball narcissistic like you except enlightened, I think that's what bothers you most. That there can be someone like me who can be as rude as you but possibly enlightened. You feel ashamed of your behavior but I don't. I'm proud to be an enlightened narcissistic asshole - I have repeatedly said so. You are full of shame and guilt whereas I''m untouched by it - I playfully indulge - I can love you equally. Your behavior comes from a sense of separateness, mine comes from a sense of oneness, there's a playful detached way in how I behave that you can't measure from my words.
