[FairfieldLife] Re: Symmetry
Extraordinary. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Simple and elegant and powerful. Worth the three minutes it takes to watch it. By Everynone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEQskIsHKT8feature=youtube_gdata_player
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: It seems to me the purpose of YS III 31 kaNTha-kuupe kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH ...might well be to prevent or even treat insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes, or whatevah! I mean that would seem to be almost the sole raison d'être for that suutra!? It would be mighty interesting to know what the TM-sidhi translation (rot-13) 'genpurn' is based on. We think a more literal translation for 'kantha-kuupa' (the form 'kuupe' is the *locative* singular) would rather be 'jryy bs guebng'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: It seems to me the purpose of YS III 31 kaNTha-kuupe kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH ...might well be to prevent or even treat insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes, or whatevah! I mean that would seem to be almost the sole raison d'être for that suutra!? It would be mighty interesting to know what the TM-sidhi translation (rot-13) 'genpurn' is based on. We think a more literal translation for 'kantha-kuupa' (the form 'kuupe' is the *locative* singular) would rather be 'jryy bs guebng'... BTW, the Vedic Aryans might have borrowed the word 'kuupa' from their Uralic (Finno-Ugric) buddies somewhere around the Urals, because in Finnish the word 'kuuppa' (weak stem 'kuupa-') means this: http://www.vastavalo.fi/albums/userpics/11576/thumb_kuupat.jpg (The form 'kuupat' is the nominative plural...) OTOH, according to Macdonell, Sanskrit word 'kuupa' is contraction (or whatevah) from 'ku_ap-a' (pit, hole, well), and in Finnish the word 'kuoppa' (dialectal weak stem 'kuapa-') means, well, 'pit or hole', but not 'well', as far as we know... http://sooda.dy.fi/2008/5/11/piha-altaan-paivitysta/files/muovit_uudes.jpg And all that and a buck fifty doesn't buy you a latte at(?) Starbucks, LOL!
[FairfieldLife] A must book for sidhas?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=bookslinkCode=qskeywords=0415391156
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise
your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are
designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain
supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means.
I think for instance in Patañjali's times they were totally normal
powers. Only after the supreme Vedic knowledge was degenerated,
mostly because of Muslims and Christians, they started to be
considered as supernormal:
sidh, sidhyati (-te), pp. {siddha} 2 (q.v.) reach an aim, hit the
[[-,]] mark; succeed, be fulfilled or accomplished; result, follow, be valid,
boot, avail; submit to, obey (gen.); reach the highest aim, become perfect or
blessed. --
siddhi 2 f. (for 1. see p. 1215 , col. 1) accomplishment , performance ,
fulfilment , complete attainment (of any object) , success MBh. Ka1v. c. ; the
hitting of a mark (loc.) Ka1m. ; healing (of a disease) , cure by (comp.)
Ya1jn5. ; coming into force , validity ib. ; settlement , payment , liquidation
(of a debt) Mn. viii , 47 ; establishment , substantiation , settlement ,
demonstration , proof. indisputable conclusion , result , issue RPra1t. Up.
Sarvad. ; decision , adjudication , determination (of a lawsuit) W. ; solution
of a problem ib. ; preparation , cooking , maturing , maturity ib. ; readiness
W. ; prosperity , personal success , fortune , good luck , advantage Mn. MBh.
c. ; supreme felicity , bliss , beatitude , complete sanctification (by
penance c.) , final emancipation , perfection L. ; vanishing , making one's
self invisible W. ; a magical shoe (supposed to convey the wearer wherever he
likes) ib. ; the acquisition of supernatural powers by magical means or the
supñsupposed faculty so acquired (the eight usually enumerated are given in the
following S3loka , %{aNimA}
%{laghimA@prA7ptiH@prAkAmyam@mahimA@tathA@IzitvaM@ca@vazitvaM@ca@tathA@kAmA7vasAyitA}
[1216,3] ; sometimes 26 are added e.g. %{dUra-zravaNa} , %{sarvajJa-tva} ,
%{agni-stambha} c.) Sa1m2khyak. Tattvas. Sarvad. ; any unusual skill or
faculty or capability (often in comp.) Pan5cat. Katha1s. ; skill in general ,
dexterity , art Car. ; efficacy , efficiency Ka1v. Pan5cat. ; understanding ,
intellect W. ; becoming clear or intelligible (as sounds or words) BhP. ; (in
rhet.) the pointing out in the same person of various good qualities (not
usually united) Sa1h. ; (prob.) a work of art Ra1jat. iii , 381 ; a kind of
medicinal root (= %{Rddhi} or %{vRddhi}) L. ; (in music) a partic. S3ruti
Sam2gi1t. ; a partic. Yoga (either the 16th or 19th) Col. ; Success or
Perfection personified MBh. VarBr2S. ; N. of Durga1 Katha1s. ; of a daughter of
Daksha and wife of Dharma Pur. ; of the wife of Bhaga and mother of Mahiman
BhP. ; of a friend of Danu Katha1s. ; of one of the wives of Gan2e7s3a RTL. 215
, 2 ; N. of S3iva (in this sense m.) MBh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A must book for sidhas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=bookslinkCode=qskeywords=0415391156 Looks like a great book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. Welll Perhaps they aren't stress-related in those people. Everyone is different or perhaps TM just doesn't work for those people. Or... Lots of possibilities there. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. As I said above... Mind you, in certain contexts, perfection for perfection's sake is useful. For example, I'm trying to revive my classical guitar technique by developing specific contact juggling techniques that overlap the coordination needed for classical guitar. The fact that these juggling techniques aren't very pretty and probably I will never master them to the point that I can perform them in public, isn't relevant to my purposes. I can sit quietly in a waiting room trying to balance a pool ball on my fingertip(s) without bothering anyone, and still, in a sense, be practicing the guitar. At last I know what people are doing with their pool balls! But again, I'm doing the exercise in the moment, rather than thinking about how I'm going to wow the crowds with a virtually invisible trick, so the search for perfection in this context isn't a big deal, on its own. It's just a preparation for something else... Just like TM and the TM-Sidhis. Poor analogy, I can see how stronger fingers might help guitar playing but for the life of me don't get how it translates to yogic flying? The belief that twitching with your eyes closed might one day turn into flying unaided seem like a stretch to this casual observer. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. Siddhi means perfection. And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. Come to think of it, 'twas Rick Archer and friends who came to Tucson, AZ in the mid-70s who I first heard that bit of [according to you] rationalization about the purpose of the siddhis, so from the very first formal presentation I heard, about 35 years ago, I was getting this rationalization as the official TM explanation for why I might want to learn the TM-Sidhis program. Mind you, RIck and friends assured as that floating was just around the corner and that every session, people were hopping higher and higher, but that can be excused as marketing speak, in MY opinion. MMY, for reasons that he has made clear for 35 years, wanted as many people to learn the TM-sidhis as fast as possible and practice in groups, so he empathized the theoretical extreme of the practice as a hook to bring people in to learn more about the program. By the time I actually learned Yogic Flying in the Summer of 1985 (84?) the TM organization had been sued for false advertising, so just to prevent that from happening again, they required me to write out, in long-hand, sign, date and mail in essentially the stuff I said in the original post [see below], which was essentially, as I recall it, what Rick Archer told us in the mid-70's, BEFORE I would be accepted on the course. In other words, the rationalization has ALWAYS been the official TM stance since the TM-Sidhis were first introduced to the masses. The TM-Sidhis are meant to be a special kind
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eye Witness to Khomeni
Organizational Life-cycle of spiritual groups Graphing, spiritual experience and life-cycle of spiritual movements: https://groups.google.com/group/communal-studies-forum/browse_thread/thread/0554f93a483f9df7 Witnessing Khomeni in the flesh.. These reflections on Khomeni are fantastik aside from your own subjective state of mind.. Did you really see him? How did you go about that? You got press credentials or a pass as a Canadian journalist? Your analysis of him as a spiritual leader is really interesting given all that we have experienced, even just living in Fairfield and being witness to a host of Sat Gurus and spiritual people sitting and visiting with us here. That continum of shakti charisma melded with character traits I find interesting to meter out in the life of what may well start out as spiritual movements which become political and social revolutionary movements. This shakti scale is not much accounted for in academic political science accounts of a Khomeni, Pol Pot, or a Mao or Stalin in personality. At most the spiritual component is just acknowledged as a 'charisma'. But in the cases of some of these, do these people lack on empathic neurons in a way that makes them spiritual and sociopaths? Your first hand account evidently raises this and points to that discussion again about powerful sociopaths in spiritual organizations. I think your observation of yet another infamous 20th Century sociopath could well add to academic understandings about the life of some spiritual organizations. Spiritual and Sociopathology: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/307846 Observing Khomeni: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: I couldn't help but feel embarrassed and concerned when I saw this excerpt from one of my books (strongly discountenanced by the way: I don't like any of them: they should all be burned!) posted at FFL. And I would like to say a few thingsnot in my defense, but in explanation for how it could come to be that I would write so enthusiastically and uncritically about someone like Ayatollah Khomeini. Now I have gone on the record to say that my Unity Consciousness experience was both very real (enlightenment does exist, it is an actual 'style of functioning' of the nervous system as Maharishi has claimed: enlightenment, then, is both a mechanical and metaphysical state of consciousness: and I believe it can be objectively determined; that is, one can apply criteria to decide whether someone is enlightened or not enlightened) and yet an hallucination. When I speak of Unity Consciousness as a hallucination I mean that it produces an essentially unreal apprehension of the universe, of oneself, of reality. Even though that experience is like nothing anyone has ever known, even on LSD (I remember in the moment when I was actually becoming enlightened thinking: Well, this is what LSD was pointing towards): It is so much more profound (than LSD), and it carries with it the imprimatur of what appears to be the very intelligence of the cosmos. And it takes away from oneself the sense of the primacy of volitional action; that is, one's actions appear to conform to Maharishi's principle of spontaneous right actionwithout even the capacity to make those actions existentially selective. That is, originating in choice, deliberation, arbitrariness. Unity Consciousness means apprehending oneself as unified with what seems to be reality, while simultaneously finding oneself governed in one's behaviour by that same reality, a reality which is deeper and more intelligent and more all-encompassing than the individual awareness which determined one's life before enlightenment. Now when the Iranian students seized the American Embassy in Tehran in September 1979 I recognized *from within my Unity Consciousness*, from within the hallucination of my enlightenment, that something essentially religious as opposed to something merely political was happening. These young Iranians seemed to be acting out of a religious experience of the objective truthfulness of Shi'a Islam, and a conviction therefore that they were doing the will of God (Allah:I believe there may be a difference however :-) ) in taking these American diplomats and embassy personnel hostageagainst all international law. In a sense I felt their actions, as transgressive as they appeared to be on one level, to be, on another level, transcendent, coming out of an experience of reality (via Shi'a Islam) which was very real for them. Something, then, along the lines of 'spontaneous right action'. I determined to get to Iran and find out more about this, and, after writing a small book about the crisis, I left for Tehran in January
[FairfieldLife] Re: A must book for sidhas?
If you have Kindle readings software on your droid you can rent this e-book for $9.95. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=bookslinkCode=qskeywords=04153\ 91156
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Hmmm, maybe it has something to do with the difference between every day stress and trauma from childhood. In my experience, the latter necessitates attention that is more about healing than about evolving. I do experience more settledness in the physiology and this I also attribute to decades of TM and TMSP. And I recognize that it's not the best path for everybody. Or the best path for any one individual all the time. I also recognize that there are those who won't agree with me (-: From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. Welll Perhaps they aren't stress-related in those people. Everyone is different or perhaps TM just doesn't work for those people. Or... Lots of possibilities there. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. As I said above... Mind you, in certain contexts, perfection for perfection's sake is useful. For example, I'm trying to revive my classical guitar technique by developing specific contact juggling techniques that overlap the coordination needed for classical guitar. The fact that these juggling techniques aren't very pretty and probably I will never master them to the point that I can perform them in public, isn't relevant to my purposes. I can sit quietly in a waiting room trying to balance a pool ball on my fingertip(s) without bothering anyone, and still, in a sense, be practicing the guitar. At last I know what people are doing with their pool balls! But again, I'm doing the exercise in the moment, rather than thinking about how I'm going to wow the crowds with a virtually invisible trick, so the search for perfection in this context isn't a big deal, on its own. It's just a preparation for something else... Just like TM and the TM-Sidhis. Poor analogy, I can see how stronger fingers might help guitar playing but for the life of me don't get how it translates to yogic flying? The belief that twitching with your eyes closed might one day turn into flying unaided seem like a stretch to this casual observer. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. Siddhi means perfection. And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. Come to think of it, 'twas Rick Archer and friends who came to Tucson, AZ in the mid-70s who I first heard that bit of [according to you] rationalization about the purpose of the siddhis, so from the very first formal presentation I heard, about 35 years ago, I was getting this rationalization as the official TM explanation for why I might want to learn the TM-Sidhis program. Mind you, RIck and friends assured as that floating was just around the corner and that every session, people were hopping higher and higher, but that can be excused as marketing speak, in MY opinion. MMY, for reasons that he has made clear for 35 years, wanted as many people to learn the TM-sidhis as fast as possible and practice in groups, so he empathized the theoretical extreme of the practice as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. Welll Perhaps they aren't stress-related in those people. Everyone is different or perhaps TM just doesn't work for those people. Or... Heresy on both counts, you're supposed to say maybe the stress in collective consciousness is too high you'll never make TTC at this rate. Lots of possibilities there. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. As I said above... No, it would skew the results totally. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. So you don't remember the MMY lectures on your siddhi course? :-D Smile all you want. I've been practicing TM regularly (with a few bouts of depression interrupting my practice) for 38.9 years, and the TM-Sidhis (see caveat) regularly for 28.8 years and my experience has been that I have been able to cope with some pretty insanely stressful life experiences. Mind you, most of said experiences were the result of some pretty stupid life choices that I have made over the years so obviously, my practice hasn't been as beneficial as one would hope, but coping-wise, TM and related techniques have been extremely beneficial for me. I think it's all well overrated. In fact, most of the people who go on about it the most seem to lack the self-awareness of where it has let them down. Shame really as there are other more effective ways they could help themselves but TM dogma tells them TM is all they need. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
I think it's all well overrated. In fact, most of the people who go on about it the most seem to lack the self-awareness of where it has let them down. Shame really as there are other more effective ways they could help themselves but TM dogma tells them TM is all they need. my reply: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. Just to present another angle on the whole question. And again, TM is not for everyone yada yada From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. Welll Perhaps they aren't stress-related in those people. Everyone is different or perhaps TM just doesn't work for those people. Or... Heresy on both counts, you're supposed to say maybe the stress in collective consciousness is too high you'll never make TTC at this rate. Lots of possibilities there. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. As I said above... No, it would skew the results totally. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. So you don't remember the MMY lectures on your siddhi course? :-D Smile all you want. I've been practicing TM regularly (with a few bouts of depression interrupting my practice) for 38.9 years, and the TM-Sidhis (see caveat) regularly for 28.8 years and my experience has been that I have been able to cope with some pretty insanely stressful life experiences. Mind you, most of said experiences were the result of some pretty stupid life choices that I have made over the years so obviously, my practice hasn't been as beneficial as one would hope, but coping-wise, TM and related techniques have been extremely beneficial for me. I think it's all well overrated. In fact, most of the people who go on about it the most seem to lack the self-awareness of where it has let them down. Shame really as there are other more effective ways they could help themselves but TM dogma tells them TM is all they need. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
cardemaister: OTOH, according to Macdonell, Sanskrit word 'kuupa' is contraction (or whatevah) from 'ku_ap-a' (pit, hole, well), and in Finnish the word 'kuoppa' (dialectal weak stem 'kuapa-') means, well, 'pit or hole', but not 'well', as far as we know... Maybe so. It sometimes seems obvious that our mind constructs its own reality as a polarity, a division of nature into holy and evil, good and bad, positive and negative. It seems as if man has some kind of innate propensity to divide and describe. Some readers here will already be familiar with Uncle Tantra's obsession with phallic symbols, tantric cults involving sexual thaumaturgy, deviate cults, and especially cults with supposed direct personal access to the divine bi-unity vis a vis the axis mundi. However, this fellow is interested in ALL the abject physical objects which man deems worthy of highest veneration, e.g. up-rights, ridge-poles, cave holes, trees and bushes, stones, fire fetishes, and various and sundry man made structures of wood or brick edifice architecture in which is housed, within the so-called holy of holies, the grotesque or not, likeness of the demi-urge. Examples include wood or cardboard masks, various pointed head coverings, inscribed yantras, phurbus, vajras, shalagrams, fixed or mobile crosses, flags or banners, and remote or near 'places of power' such as Mt. Kailash or Friday Mountain, the latter being located in Hays County about a mile from George Straight's ranch. According to what I've read, God, by force of arms, enslaved the first Man, who may have been a replicant, and sold him into slavery to do unpaid grunt work on a fruit farm. Go figure. Then, God entrapped the first Woman in a cheap confidence trick; and then expelled them both from the migrant farm, which was just east of a place called 'Eden'. And why? Because Eve, who also seems to have been a replicant, had read from the 'Book of the Knowledge of Good and Evil', and had rejected it, in favor of weilding the 'Staff of Hermes', that is, Life itself. This offended the slave owner God, who got really angry, and cursed a lot, like most Father tyrants do, and who then, in a fit of rage, erected ugly 'cherubim' with flaming swords to keep everyone away from eating the mind-manifesting fruit of the 'Tree of Life', lest we all become immortal like the Gods themselves. The hell you say! In a nutshell, the first human to learn how to control fire, the first holy object, probably an Ural shaman, thus became a 'Hotr', that is, a family priest, from the Sankrit root word 'hot'. But, the first controlled use of flame may not have been used for cooking food nor for warmth, but was used as a fetish; i.e. a primitive 'lava lamp', placed inside a wall niche called the a family hearth. Not for nothing did they call this the planet hearth. So. the very first 'holy' object worshiped by man and woman, The Flame, may have been a geomantic gadget placed inside a natural vastu dome! Inside that cave, which was at times very dark and dank, with nothing to do but ideate, fornicate and meditate, the first man-controlled light was invented. In that very instance was born the tradition of human enlightenment; they indeed 'saw the light', they 'loved the light' and they lived 'in the light'!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you imagine trying to explain to 99% percent of the people on this planet what *either* the TM Sidhis *or* EFT Tapping are, and while doing so using the phrase wiser decisions and keeping a straight face? :-) Don't get me wrong. Both have their cadre of believers. Both -- for all I know -- have benefit. But most people on the planet are going to bag them as New Age Hooey and, from the standpoint of real science, both are. But there's no accounting for belief, just as there is no accounting for taste. It's as individual as there are individuals, and that's the way it should be. I say, Carry on with whatever delusions make you happy. I say this to the scientists, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. Welll Perhaps they aren't stress-related in those people. Everyone is different or perhaps TM just doesn't work for those people. Or... Heresy on both counts, you're supposed to say maybe the stress in collective consciousness is too high you'll never make TTC at this rate. That might be, but I'm not applying for TTC, and even within that context, its not as extreme as you seem to make out. There's just a True Believer effect of the most fanatical rising to the top and becoming the interpreters of what MMY really means (of course, MMY insulated himself quite nicely from the real world in later years, so you can argue that MMY himself became a True Believer in the pejorative sense of never allowing himself to hear negativity). Lots of possibilities there. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. As I said above... No, it would skew the results totally. Really? David Lynch, Clint Eastwood, Helena Olson, are some of longest meditating folk that I am aware of. THe kids in the Norwich University study are all gung-ho TMers and the plan is to follow their military careers for the next 20-30 years. How much do you want to bet that an effective stress-management technique will make them SHINE in their chosen career? Judging TM's long-term effectiveness, simiply by the self-selected group that learned in the 60's and 70s, who were desperately seeking some way of coping with overwhelming stress that they likely couldn't handle otherwise (the average long-term TMer that I have met), isn't a wise way to do things. Look at what high achievers (and military cadets, by definition, are high achiever wannabes) get out of it, in order to get a full sense of what TM does for people. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English dictionary's definition of a technical Sanskrit term? And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. So you don't remember the MMY lectures on your siddhi course? Not ones where he emphasized accomplishment of a siddhi technique as the primary reason to do the technique. You practice Yogic Flying in order to float, yes, but that is the point of the moments your are practicing, not the reason why you set aside time during the day to bother doing something, that at best, will take many decades to master. He who lives for the fruit of action alone... :-D Smile all you want. I've been practicing TM regularly (with a few bouts of depression interrupting my practice) for 38.9 years, and the TM-Sidhis (see caveat) regularly for 28.8 years and my experience has been that I have been able to cope with some pretty insanely stressful life experiences. Mind you, most of said experiences were the result of some pretty stupid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you imagine trying to explain to 99% percent of the people on this planet what *either* the TM Sidhis *or* EFT Tapping are, and while doing so using the phrase wiser decisions and keeping a straight face? :-) Don't get me wrong. Both have their cadre of believers. Both -- for all I know -- have benefit. But most people on the planet are going to bag them as New Age Hooey and, from the standpoint of real science, both are. But there's no accounting for belief, just as there is no accounting for taste. It's as individual as there are individuals, and that's the way it should be. I say, Carry on with whatever delusions make you happy. I say this to the scientists, too. :-) Most people on this planet don't really understand how science works. The methodology of science applied for the past 300 years is the reason you are able to use the computer and the internet today. That's the reason you are able to make a post today. Or else we would still be living in the pre-industrial era. I think Curtis understands science and it's processes, it's accounting of the laws of nature.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
My face is crooked anyway so straight face impossible (-: Nope, can't imagine trying to explain to 99% of the people. They happily have their own delusions. Tho will add that EFT is based on meridian points and because of wider acceptance of accupuncture, might be more accessible to some. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you imagine trying to explain to 99% percent of the people on this planet what *either* the TM Sidhis *or* EFT Tapping are, and while doing so using the phrase wiser decisions and keeping a straight face? :-) Don't get me wrong. Both have their cadre of believers. Both -- for all I know -- have benefit. But most people on the planet are going to bag them as New Age Hooey and, from the standpoint of real science, both are. But there's no accounting for belief, just as there is no accounting for taste. It's as individual as there are individuals, and that's the way it should be. I say, Carry on with whatever delusions make you happy. I say this to the scientists, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
Willy, Very inaccurate statements. Buddhism is not the source of Advaita. Vijñanavada is a Buddhist philosophical school while Yogacara is the theoretical compendium of its practices. Shankara saved some of his most pointed criticisms for the Buddhists of his day, particularly the Vijnanavada. There are parallels between some of Gaudapada's statements and the views of Vijnanavada because they both draw from the same milieu of philosophic discourse. As pointed out by K. A. Krishnaswamy Aiyer, Buddhism and Advaita are fundamentally opposed in five key points: 1. Both say that the world is unreal, but Buddhists mean that it is only a conceptual construct (vikalpa), while Shankara does not think that the world is merely conceptual. 2. Momentariness is a cardinal principal of Buddhism consciousness is fundamentally momentary for them. However, in Advaita, consciousness is pure (shuddha), without beginning or end (anadi) and is thoroughly continuous. The momentariness of empirical states of consciousness overlies this continuity. 3. In Buddhism, the self is the ego (I) a conceptual construct that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only really Real and is the substrate of all concepts. 4. In Buddhism, avidya causes us to construct continuities (such as the self) where there are none. In Advaita, avidya causes us instead to take what is unreal to be real and what is real to be unreal. 5. Removal of avidya leads to nirvana/blowning out for Buddhists but for Shankara it leads to perfect knowledge (vidya). Better give up Wiki O' Willy and go get some authentic sources. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are in reality the Transcendental Person - the Purusha looking over your self.
[FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit
'India is drowning in its own excreta' R. PRASAD Sixty percent of people living in India do not have access to toilets, and hence are forced to defecate in the open. In actual numbers, sixty per cent translates to 626 million. This makes India the number one country in the world where open defecation is practised. Indonesia with 63 million is a far second! At 949 million in 2010 worldwide, vast majority of people practising open defecation live in rural areas. Though the number of rural people practising open defecation has reduced by 234 million in 2010 than in 1990, 'those that continue to do so tend to be concentrated in a few countries, including India', notes the 2012 update report of UNICEF and the World Health Organisation (WHO). For instance, of the 2.4 lakh gram panchayats in the country, only a mere 24,000 are completely free of open defecation. More than half of the 2.5 billion people without improved sanitation live in India or China. The high figure prevails even as four out of 10 people who have gained access to improved sanitation since 1990 live in these two countries. 'Rapidly-modernising India is drowning in its own excreta', notes the New Delhi-based Sunita Narain, Director General of the Centre for Science and Environment in a Comment piece published today (June 14) in Nature. The only silver lining is the determination with which Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh intends to rid the country of open defecation within a decade. His endeavour got a shot in the arm recently when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs increased the amount of money to be spent for household toilets in rural areas from Rs.4,600 to Rs.10,000. But increased spending alone will in no way turn out to be a magic bullet in solving the malaise of open defecation. Numerous examples from other countries serve as testimony to this. Bringing about a change in mindset is the paramount need. Awareness of the link between open defection and diseases like diarrhoea will in one way change the way people defecate. After all, almost 10 per cent of all communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water and poor sanitation. According to WHO, open defecation is the 'riskiest sanitation practice of all'. According to the global health body, compared with 1990, more than two billion people have access to improved drinking water sources. Thus the Millennium Development Goal's drinking water target has been reached over 2 billion people have gained access to improved water sources from 1990 to 2010, and the proportion of the global population still using unimproved sources is estimated at only 11 per cent. The fine print But the fine print reveals the rider. WHO does not have the critical information about the safety of the drinking water, though. Since testing for microbial and chemical parameters to designate drinking waters as safe is expensive, WHO used a proxy indicator measuring the proportion of the population using drinking water sources that supposedly are protected from contamination, particularly from faecal matter. But access to drinking sources can hardly be a true indicator, as is the case in India. 'Leaking and incomplete sewage systems contaminate rivers and lakes, causing diseases like cholera', notes Nature. Around 97 per cent of Indians do not have access to clean drinking water. The problem arises due to contamination of drinking water by leaked sewage. Sewage inevitably pollutes water bodies, both surface and aquifers. According to the Comment, only a few facilities exist in the country to treat waste water. Officially, the country has the capacity to treat 30 per cent of its waste water. But in reality it is far less at 20 per cent. While ridding open defecation will go a long way in improving sanitation and reducing disease outbreaks, Sunita Narain makes a strong case for larger investments in sewage systems and effective use of water. The need for newer technologies cannot be ignored. Current technologies use large amounts of water to transport small amounts of excreta through expensive pipes to costly treatment plants, she states. This is 'unworkable and unaffordable', especially considering the fact that cities are growing at a rapid pace and infrastructure is always lagging behind. Home
Re: [FairfieldLife] I have a complaint!
On 06/15/2012 04:33 PM, sparaig wrote: Thus far, I seem to be on the sidelines of this he is worse/she is worse/you are worse, deception/lying/self-deception/etc-wise. Why have you guys apparently left me out? I can deceive/lie/self-decieve/etc with the best of 'em. L (feeling ignored because I'm just not bad enough, apparently) Do you really care about the endless dead horse beating on FFL? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A must book for sidhas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: If you have Kindle readings software on your droid you can rent this e-book for $9.95. Yep, and furthermore: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19905357/Khecari-Vidya --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=bookslinkCode=qskeywords=04153\ 91156
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Willy, Very inaccurate statements. Buddhism is not the source of Advaita. Vijñanavada is a Buddhist philosophical school while Yogacara is the theoretical compendium of its practices. Shankara saved some of his most pointed criticisms for the Buddhists of his day, particularly the Vijnanavada. There are parallels between some of Gaudapada's statements and the views of Vijnanavada because they both draw from the same milieu of philosophic discourse. As pointed out by K. A. Krishnaswamy Aiyer, Buddhism and Advaita are fundamentally opposed in five key points: 1. Both say that the world is unreal, but Buddhists mean that it is only a conceptual construct (vikalpa), while Shankara does not think that the world is merely conceptual. Shankara means it in a more literal sense. Gaudapada goes to the very extreme in his karika (commentary) on Mandukya upanishad. Willytex thinks Upanishads came after Shakyamuni which is doubtful. One reason it's called vedanta is because anta means rear end and the upanishads are in the end portion of the vedas. I wonder how Willytex reached such a conclusion. 2. Momentariness is a cardinal principal of Buddhism consciousness is fundamentally momentary for them. However, in Advaita, consciousness is pure (shuddha), without beginning or end (anadi) and is thoroughly continuous. The momentariness of empirical states of consciousness overlies this continuity. 3. In Buddhism, the self is the ego (I) a conceptual construct that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only really Real and is the substrate of all concepts. 4. In Buddhism, avidya causes us to construct continuities (such as the self) where there are none. In Advaita, avidya causes us instead to take what is unreal to be real and what is real to be unreal. 5. Removal of avidya leads to nirvana/blowning out for Buddhists but for Shankara it leads to perfect knowledge (vidya). Better give up Wiki O' Willy and go get some authentic sources. --- Richard J. Williams, richard@ wrote: emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are in reality the Transcendental Person - the Purusha looking over your self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English dictionary's definition of a technical Sanskrit term? Technical term interpreted for you by who? The guy who told you you could fly? Besides that isn't really the only definition I could find just the one most suited to an emial discussion. I could photograph someothers or scan them and post if you like? The TM research that everyone likes to malign shows very clearly that TM is twice as effective as other forms of meditation and relaxation at addressing anxiety. While many people like to point at the meta-analyses that say that TM research sucks, they miss the important point that according to those same meta-analyses, ALL meditation research, without fail, sucks. Probably because it's an old type of coping mechanism, pleasant to do but not worth the effort compared to other techniques of self development if you have a particular complaint to address. THis includes the most recent studies on mindfulness published in the past few days, weeks, months, etc, because those analyses claim that unless you use a true double-blind study performed by only by researchers who have no attachment to the techniques being tested, the study is pretty much worthless. I'm not tub thumping for anything other than common sense. If, on the other hand, you reject that extreme position, TM comes out far ahead. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
Interesting speculation, Richard, and plausible. Similarly (but far more speculatively), I've often thought that the veneration and worship of Ganesh (generally depicted with a red body or red head or both) may have originated from early ape/hominid memories of the great wooly mammoths with their striking, long red hair, later modified by long exposure to the Indian elephant. But it would be just as likely that Indian elephants on their own could have or would have inspired the same response. They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: cardemaister: OTOH, according to Macdonell, Sanskrit word 'kuupa' is contraction (or whatevah) from 'ku_ap-a' (pit, hole, well), and in Finnish the word 'kuoppa' (dialectal weak stem 'kuapa-') means, well, 'pit or hole', but not 'well', as far as we know... Maybe so. It sometimes seems obvious that our mind constructs its own reality as a polarity, a division of nature into holy and evil, good and bad, positive and negative. It seems as if man has some kind of innate propensity to divide and describe. Some readers here will already be familiar with Uncle Tantra's obsession with phallic symbols, tantric cults involving sexual thaumaturgy, deviate cults, and especially cults with supposed direct personal access to the divine bi-unity vis a vis the axis mundi. However, this fellow is interested in ALL the abject physical objects which man deems worthy of highest veneration, e.g. up-rights, ridge-poles, cave holes, trees and bushes, stones, fire fetishes, and various and sundry man made structures of wood or brick edifice architecture in which is housed, within the so-called holy of holies, the grotesque or not, likeness of the demi-urge. Examples include wood or cardboard masks, various pointed head coverings, inscribed yantras, phurbus, vajras, shalagrams, fixed or mobile crosses, flags or banners, and remote or near 'places of power' such as Mt. Kailash or Friday Mountain, the latter being located in Hays County about a mile from George Straight's ranch. According to what I've read, God, by force of arms, enslaved the first Man, who may have been a replicant, and sold him into slavery to do unpaid grunt work on a fruit farm. Go figure. Then, God entrapped the first Woman in a cheap confidence trick; and then expelled them both from the migrant farm, which was just east of a place called 'Eden'. And why? Because Eve, who also seems to have been a replicant, had read from the 'Book of the Knowledge of Good and Evil', and had rejected it, in favor of weilding the 'Staff of Hermes', that is, Life itself. This offended the slave owner God, who got really angry, and cursed a lot, like most Father tyrants do, and who then, in a fit of rage, erected ugly 'cherubim' with flaming swords to keep everyone away from eating the mind-manifesting fruit of the 'Tree of Life', lest we all become immortal like the Gods themselves. The hell you say! In a nutshell, the first human to learn how to control fire, the first holy object, probably an Ural shaman, thus became a 'Hotr', that is, a family priest, from the Sankrit root word 'hot'. But, the first controlled use of flame may not have been used for cooking food nor for warmth, but was used as a fetish; i.e. a primitive 'lava lamp', placed inside a wall niche called the a family hearth. Not for nothing did they call this the planet hearth. So. the very first 'holy' object worshiped by man and woman, The Flame, may have been a geomantic gadget placed inside a natural vastu dome! Inside that cave, which was at times very dark and dank, with nothing to do but ideate, fornicate and meditate, the first man-controlled light was invented. In that very instance was born the tradition of human enlightenment; they indeed 'saw the light', they 'loved the light' and they lived 'in the light'!
[FairfieldLife] 'TM MagaZine'...
http://issue7.tmmagazine.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: snip They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/files/2012/06/Columb\ ia-mammoth.jpg] http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ev\ er-clone-a-mammoth/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-e\ ver-clone-a-mammoth/ (I love how beautifully clean and polished the skeleton is. Don't know what museum it's from, but they are really proud of this guy.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
Oh, phooey. Check out the photo at the link. It's really spectacular: http://tinyurl.com/8yfapf4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: snip They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/files/2012/06/Columb\ ia-mammoth.jpg] http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ev\ er-clone-a-mammoth/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-e\ ver-clone-a-mammoth/ (I love how beautifully clean and polished the skeleton is. Don't know what museum it's from, but they are really proud of this guy.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
Great article, thanks. Perhaps in our lifetime, but if so, they'll have to hurry it up. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: snip They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/files/2012/06/Columb\ ia-mammoth.jpg] http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ev\ er-clone-a-mammoth/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-e\ ver-clone-a-mammoth/ (I love how beautifully clean and polished the skeleton is. Don't know what museum it's from, but they are really proud of this guy.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit
Yeah, but it's *organic*! From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit 'India is drowning in its own excreta' R. PRASAD Sixty percent of people living in India do not have access to toilets, and hence are forced to defecate in the open. In actual numbers, sixty per cent translates to 626 million. This makes India the number one country in the world where open defecation is practised. Indonesia with 63 million is a far second! At 949 million in 2010 worldwide, vast majority of people practising open defecation live in rural areas. Though the number of rural people practising open defecation has reduced by 234 million in 2010 than in 1990, 'those that continue to do so tend to be concentrated in a few countries, including India', notes the 2012 update report of UNICEF and the World Health Organisation (WHO). For instance, of the 2.4 lakh gram panchayats in the country, only a mere 24,000 are completely free of open defecation. More than half of the 2.5 billion people without improved sanitation live in India or China. The high figure prevails even as four out of 10 people who have gained access to improved sanitation since 1990 live in these two countries. 'Rapidly-modernising India is drowning in its own excreta', notes the New Delhi-based Sunita Narain, Director General of the Centre for Science and Environment in a Comment piece published today (June 14) in Nature. The only silver lining is the determination with which Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh intends to rid the country of open defecation within a decade. His endeavour got a shot in the arm recently when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs increased the amount of money to be spent for household toilets in rural areas from Rs.4,600 to Rs.10,000. But increased spending alone will in no way turn out to be a magic bullet in solving the malaise of open defecation. Numerous examples from other countries serve as testimony to this. Bringing about a change in mindset is the paramount need. Awareness of the link between open defection and diseases like diarrhoea will in one way change the way people defecate. After all, almost 10 per cent of all communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water and poor sanitation. According to WHO, open defecation is the 'riskiest sanitation practice of all'. According to the global health body, compared with 1990, more than two billion people have access to improved drinking water sources. Thus the Millennium Development Goal's drinking water target has been reached over 2 billion people have gained access to improved water sources from 1990 to 2010, and the proportion of the global population still using unimproved sources is estimated at only 11 per cent. The fine print But the fine print reveals the rider. WHO does not have the critical information about the safety of the drinking water, though. Since testing for microbial and chemical parameters to designate drinking waters as safe is expensive, WHO used a proxy indicator measuring the proportion of the population using drinking water sources that supposedly are protected from contamination, particularly from faecal matter. But access to drinking sources can hardly be a true indicator, as is the case in India. 'Leaking and incomplete sewage systems contaminate rivers and lakes, causing diseases like cholera', notes Nature. Around 97 per cent of Indians do not have access to clean drinking water. The problem arises due to contamination of drinking water by leaked sewage. Sewage inevitably pollutes water bodies, both surface and aquifers. According to the Comment, only a few facilities exist in the country to treat waste water. Officially, the country has the capacity to treat 30 per cent of its waste water. But in reality it is far less at 20 per cent. While ridding open defecation will go a long way in improving sanitation and reducing disease outbreaks, Sunita Narain makes a strong case for larger investments in sewage systems and effective use of water. The need for newer technologies cannot be ignored. Current technologies use large amounts of water to transport small amounts of excreta through expensive pipes to costly treatment plants, she states. This is 'unworkable and unaffordable', especially considering the fact that cities are growing at a rapid pace and infrastructure is always lagging behind. Home
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English dictionary's definition of a technical Sanskrit term? Technical term interpreted for you by who? The guy who told you you could fly? FWIW, quark: Three quarks for Muster Mark!/Sure he hasn't got much of a bark/And sure any he has it's all beside the mark. Tee-hee... ;D
Re: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit
But don't they have brilliant engineers who can solve this problem in a fortnight? ;-) On 06/16/2012 01:50 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, but it's *organic*! From: Jasonjedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit 'India is drowning in its own excreta' R. PRASAD Sixty percent of people living in India do not have access to toilets, and hence are forced to defecate in the open. In actual numbers, sixty per cent translates to 626 million. This makes India the number one country in the world where open defecation is practised. Indonesia with 63 million is a far second! At 949 million in 2010 worldwide, vast majority of people practising open defecation live in rural areas. Though the number of rural people practising open defecation has reduced by 234 million in 2010 than in 1990, 'those that continue to do so tend to be concentrated in a few countries, including India', notes the 2012 update report of UNICEF and the World Health Organisation (WHO). For instance, of the 2.4 lakh gram panchayats in the country, only a mere 24,000 are completely free of open defecation. More than half of the 2.5 billion people without improved sanitation live in India or China. The high figure prevails even as four out of 10 people who have gained access to improved sanitation since 1990 live in these two countries. 'Rapidly-modernising India is drowning in its own excreta', notes the New Delhi-based Sunita Narain, Director General of the Centre for Science and Environment in a Comment piece published today (June 14) in Nature. The only silver lining is the determination with which Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh intends to rid the country of open defecation within a decade. His endeavour got a shot in the arm recently when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs increased the amount of money to be spent for household toilets in rural areas from Rs.4,600 to Rs.10,000. But increased spending alone will in no way turn out to be a magic bullet in solving the malaise of open defecation. Numerous examples from other countries serve as testimony to this. Bringing about a change in mindset is the paramount need. Awareness of the link between open defection and diseases like diarrhoea will in one way change the way people defecate. After all, almost 10 per cent of all communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water and poor sanitation. According to WHO, open defecation is the 'riskiest sanitation practice of all'. According to the global health body, compared with 1990, more than two billion people have access to improved drinking water sources. Thus the Millennium Development Goal's drinking water target has been reached over 2 billion people have gained access to improved water sources from 1990 to 2010, and the proportion of the global population still using unimproved sources is estimated at only 11 per cent. The fine print But the fine print reveals the rider. WHO does not have the critical information about the safety of the drinking water, though. Since testing for microbial and chemical parameters to designate drinking waters as safe is expensive, WHO used a proxy indicator measuring the proportion of the population using drinking water sources that supposedly are protected from contamination, particularly from faecal matter. But access to drinking sources can hardly be a true indicator, as is the case in India. 'Leaking and incomplete sewage systems contaminate rivers and lakes, causing diseases like cholera', notes Nature. Around 97 per cent of Indians do not have access to clean drinking water. The problem arises due to contamination of drinking water by leaked sewage. Sewage inevitably pollutes water bodies, both surface and aquifers. According to the Comment, only a few facilities exist in the country to treat waste water. Officially, the country has the capacity to treat 30 per cent of its waste water. But in reality it is far less at 20 per cent. While ridding open defecation will go a long way in improving sanitation and reducing disease outbreaks, Sunita Narain makes a strong case for larger investments in sewage systems and effective use of water. The need for newer technologies cannot be ignored. Current technologies use large amounts of water to transport small amounts of excreta through expensive pipes to costly treatment plants, she states. This is 'unworkable and unaffordable', especially considering the fact that cities are growing at a rapid pace and infrastructure is always lagging behind. Home
Re: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit
Billy Carter From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit But don't they have brilliant engineers who can solve this problem in a fortnight? ;-) On 06/16/2012 01:50 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, but it's *organic*! From: Jasonmailto:jedi_spock%40yahoo.com To: mailto:fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com;mailto:fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit 'India is drowning in its own excreta' R. PRASAD Sixty percent of people living in India do not have access to toilets, and hence are forced to defecate in the open. In actual numbers, sixty per cent translates to 626 million. This makes India the number one country in the world where open defecation is practised. Indonesia with 63 million is a far second! At 949 million in 2010 worldwide, vast majority of people practising open defecation live in rural areas. Though the number of rural people practising open defecation has reduced by 234 million in 2010 than in 1990, 'those that continue to do so tend to be concentrated in a few countries, including India', notes the 2012 update report of UNICEF and the World Health Organisation (WHO). For instance, of the 2.4 lakh gram panchayats in the country, only a mere 24,000 are completely free of open defecation. More than half of the 2.5 billion people without improved sanitation live in India or China. The high figure prevails even as four out of 10 people who have gained access to improved sanitation since 1990 live in these two countries. 'Rapidly-modernising India is drowning in its own excreta', notes the New Delhi-based Sunita Narain, Director General of the Centre for Science and Environment in a Comment piece published today (June 14) in Nature. The only silver lining is the determination with which Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh intends to rid the country of open defecation within a decade. His endeavour got a shot in the arm recently when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs increased the amount of money to be spent for household toilets in rural areas from Rs.4,600 to Rs.10,000. But increased spending alone will in no way turn out to be a magic bullet in solving the malaise of open defecation. Numerous examples from other countries serve as testimony to this. Bringing about a change in mindset is the paramount need. Awareness of the link between open defection and diseases like diarrhoea will in one way change the way people defecate. After all, almost 10 per cent of all communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water and poor sanitation. According to WHO, open defecation is the 'riskiest sanitation practice of all'. According to the global health body, compared with 1990, more than two billion people have access to improved drinking water sources. Thus the Millennium Development Goal's drinking water target has been reached over 2 billion people have gained access to improved water sources from 1990 to 2010, and the proportion of the global population still using unimproved sources is estimated at only 11 per cent. The fine print But the fine print reveals the rider. WHO does not have the critical information about the safety of the drinking water, though. Since testing for microbial and chemical parameters to designate drinking waters as safe is expensive, WHO used a proxy indicator measuring the proportion of the population using drinking water sources that supposedly are protected from contamination, particularly from faecal matter. But access to drinking sources can hardly be a true indicator, as is the case in India. 'Leaking and incomplete sewage systems contaminate rivers and lakes, causing diseases like cholera', notes Nature. Around 97 per cent of Indians do not have access to clean drinking water. The problem arises due to contamination of drinking water by leaked sewage. Sewage inevitably pollutes water bodies, both surface and aquifers. According to the Comment, only a few facilities exist in the country to treat waste water. Officially, the country has the capacity to treat 30 per cent of its waste water. But in reality it is far less at 20 per cent. While ridding open defecation will go a long way in improving sanitation and reducing disease outbreaks, Sunita Narain makes a strong case for larger investments in sewage systems and effective use of water. The need for newer technologies cannot be ignored. Current technologies use large amounts of water to transport small amounts of excreta through expensive pipes to costly treatment plants, she states. This is 'unworkable and unaffordable', especially considering the fact that cities are growing at a
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: What is Advaita? This thirty page pamphlet explains why enlightenment is not a permanent experience of a particular state of consciousness, why it is not a thought-free mind, and why karma does not have to be exhausted for liberation. It debunks many of the major misunderstandings about Vedanta and spiritual life in general first and foremost the idea that Vedanta is a philosophy or a school of thought. It carefully explains what Vedanta actually is and highlights several of its most important teachings: cause and effect, the Three State analysis, and the five sheaths. It discusses the Self as bliss confusion, the Self as Knowledge confusion, the Self as Energy confusion, and the Multi-Path confusion. And finally it resolves the issue of the stages of enlightenment. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/jamesswartz/advaita1.pdf Emptybill, this article was quite a treat and clearly written for the most part. I wonder how many have difficulty matching up descriptions of enlightenment from various traditions, because this subject matter is basically ... nothing ... so descriptions are at best indicative and poetic, hoping one can read between the lines. May your cup be forever empty, emptybill.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: snip They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ev\ \ er-clone-a-mammoth/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-e\ \ ver-clone-a-mammoth/ (I love how beautifully clean and polished the skeleton is. Don't know what museum it's from, but they are really proud of this guy.) While we have the bones of these fellows, the following drawing of a mammoth in the Chauvet Cave in France was made by someone who obviously saw them alive. While there is some disagreement about the date of the paintings (only one laboratory has done C14 dating so far) the current date is about 31,000 BCE. [mammoth drawing in Chauvet Cave, c.31,000 BCE]
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
Powerful work. All of the art of that time must have carried such extraordinary significance and influence for those who got to see them, experience them. And for the artists who first recognized in the swellings of the rock all around them the images of those animals -- that must have been an extraordinary experience. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: snip They (mammoths) had to be imposing beings, regardless. It would be very cool if they are brought back to life through cloning of recovered mammoths from the melting permafrost. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ev\ \ er-clone-a-mammoth/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-e\ \ ver-clone-a-mammoth/ (I love how beautifully clean and polished the skeleton is. Don't know what museum it's from, but they are really proud of this guy.) While we have the bones of these fellows, the following drawing of a mammoth in the Chauvet Cave in France was made by someone who obviously saw them alive. While there is some disagreement about the date of the paintings (only one laboratory has done C14 dating so far) the current date is about 31,000 BCE. [mammoth drawing in Chauvet Cave, c.31,000 BCE]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real purpose of the TM-Sidhis program, NOT to attain some specific power. Achieving a power per se was presented as a byproduct of the practice, or a benchmark of one's progress in the development you describe above. It's like training for a marathon with the purpose of improving your general fitness. You may actually end up being able to run a marathon if you stick to the training, but that isn't the primary reason you're training; and even if you never get to the point of being able to run a marathon, your fitness will have improved as a result of the training. Come to think of it, 'twas Rick Archer and friends who came to Tucson, AZ in the mid-70s who I first heard that bit of [according to you] rationalization about the purpose of the siddhis, so from the very first formal presentation I heard, about 35 years ago, I was getting this rationalization as the official TM explanation for why I might want to learn the TM-Sidhis program. Same here. snip By the time I actually learned Yogic Flying in the Summer of 1985 (84?) I can't recall for sure, but I think you and I figured out at some point that we took the same CIC course and were on the same flying block. I'm pretty sure that was '86, and I think it was CIC #16. the TM organization had been sued for false advertising, so just to prevent that from happening again, they required me to write out, in long-hand, sign, date and mail in essentially the stuff I said in the original post [see below], which was essentially, as I recall it, what Rick Archer told us in the mid-70's, BEFORE I would be accepted on the course. Same here. (Except it wasn't Rick Archer for me, it was Jim McCann.) In other words, the rationalization has ALWAYS been the official TM stance since the TM-Sidhis were first introduced to the masses. Yupper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program.
Sweet is that meditation of sacred rest; No mortal cares shall seize my breast; O may my heart in tune be found Like David's harp of solemn sound. Then shall I share a glorious part When grace has well refined my heart, And fresh supplies of joy are shed, Like holy oil, to cheer my head. Then shall I see and hear and know All I desired and wished below; And ev'ry pow'r find sweet employ In that eternal world of joy. Come, humble sinner, in whose breast A thousand thoughts revolve. Come with your guilt and fear oppressed, And make this last resolve. I'll go to meditate , though my vasana Hath like a mountain rose; I know its courts, I'll enter in, Whatever may oppose. I can but perish if I go, I am resolved to try, For if I stay away I know I must forever die. What meditation is this that will take us all home, O glory, hallelujah! And safely land us on the Unified Field's bright shore? O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! This Meditation landed all who have gone before, O glory, hallelujah! And meditation is able to land still more, O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! The winds may blow, and the billows may foam, O glory, hallelujah! But this meditation is able to land us all home, O glory, hallelujah! If I arrive there, then, before you do, O glory, hallelujah! I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too. O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! Om Shanti, Shanti! Om, The Golden Domes yield A thousand sacred sweets Before we reach the heav'nly fields, Or walk the golden streets. (fugue) Then let your songs abound, And ev'ry tear be dry; We're marching through Nature's ground To fairer worlds on high. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Do you have a valid Dome Badge? Apply today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: For our common good we could use a few more good meditators to get the numbers higher even. Come join the group meditation and be of service to all as well as yourself. Come join us, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This call now is to 'Avert the danger before it comes'. The prescription may well come to be conscription. However, avert the danger before it comes and volunteer now, the Group Meditation is daily at 7:30am and 5:00pm in Fairfield. Resolve now to join up. It's a fabulous place to meditate. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Being an old and conservative meditator, the spiritual societal and world indication is getting bad enough that, I think we should institute a draft on meditators for the Dome. Bring up the reserves to steady the ME. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: IMO, the attractiveness of Fairfield is due to its eclectic nature, emphasis on eclectic. Â You are a part of that. Â You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Â OR, People, like horses, will only do what they have a mind to do. Well the problem is the free-loaders who have no sense of civic virtue. The ones that just sit back. Yep, dang Free-loaders. -Buck in the Dome From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
Willy lives in the past and in the opinions of old, tired academics. Georg Feuerstein points out that the oldest strata of the Upanishads (Brihadaranyaka and Chandogya) is philologically consonant with the Brahmanas and was transmitted in oral form (in a 750 year period) from the time of the Bharata war around 1500 B.C.E. until 700 B.C.E. This clearly predates Gautama Shakyamuni by a good 150-200 years and belies the claim that the whispered wisdom lineage of Upanishad Jñana was just dressed up Buddhism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Willy, Very inaccurate statements. Buddhism is not the source of Advaita. Vijñanavada is a Buddhist philosophical school while Yogacara is the theoretical compendium of its practices. Shankara saved some of his most pointed criticisms for the Buddhists of his day, particularly the Vijnanavada. There are parallels between some of Gaudapada's statements and the views of Vijnanavada because they both draw from the same milieu of philosophic discourse. As pointed out by K. A. Krishnaswamy Aiyer, Buddhism and Advaita are fundamentally opposed in five key points: 1. Both say that the world is unreal, but Buddhists mean that it is only a conceptual construct (vikalpa), while Shankara does not think that the world is merely conceptual. Shankara means it in a more literal sense. Gaudapada goes to the very extreme in his karika (commentary) on Mandukya upanishad. Willytex thinks Upanishads came after Shakyamuni which is doubtful. One reason it's called vedanta is because anta means rear end and the upanishads are in the end portion of the vedas. I wonder how Willytex reached such a conclusion. 2. Momentariness is a cardinal principal of Buddhism consciousness is fundamentally momentary for them. However, in Advaita, consciousness is pure (shuddha), without beginning or end (anadi) and is thoroughly continuous. The momentariness of empirical states of consciousness overlies this continuity. 3. In Buddhism, the self is the ego (I) a conceptual construct that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only really Real and is the substrate of all concepts. 4. In Buddhism, avidya causes us to construct continuities (such as the self) where there are none. In Advaita, avidya causes us instead to take what is unreal to be real and what is real to be unreal. 5. Removal of avidya leads to nirvana/blowning out for Buddhists but for Shankara it leads to perfect knowledge (vidya). Better give up Wiki O' Willy and go get some authentic sources. --- Richard J. Williams, richard@ wrote: emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
Thanks for the feedback. I also found it quite useful. I think it shows the difference between neo-advaita, academic advaita and practice-oriented advaita. After all, he actually called this teaching Brahma-jñana - the essence of the Upanishad Shruti-s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: What is Advaita? This thirty page pamphlet explains why enlightenment is not a permanent experience of a particular state of consciousness, why it is not a thought-free mind, and why karma does not have to be exhausted for liberation. It debunks many of the major misunderstandings about Vedanta and spiritual life in general first and foremost the idea that Vedanta is a philosophy or a school of thought. It carefully explains what Vedanta actually is and highlights several of its most important teachings: cause and effect, the Three State analysis, and the five sheaths. It discusses the Self as bliss confusion, the Self as Knowledge confusion, the Self as Energy confusion, and the Multi-Path confusion. And finally it resolves the issue of the stages of enlightenment. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/jamesswartz/advaita1.pdf Emptybill, this article was quite a treat and clearly written for the most part. I wonder how many have difficulty matching up descriptions of enlightenment from various traditions, because this subject matter is basically ... nothing ... so descriptions are at best indicative and poetic, hoping one can read between the lines. May your cup be forever empty, emptybill.
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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 16 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 23 00:00:00 2012 54 messages as of (UTC) Sun Jun 17 00:01:40 2012 10 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 7 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 authfriend jst...@panix.com 4 marekreavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 4 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 4 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 3 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 3 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 2 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 2 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 1 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com 1 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 1 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us Posters: 17 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Just kind of curious Barry. Science as far as I know does not examine the notion of breath, or prana, and the different types of pranas. And yet eastern literature discusses prana and the different types of prana quite a bit, and often authoritatively. Because science, or at least western science has not considered this, would you consider what has been said about prana to be hooey? For me, I am not ready to let science yet be the final arbiter of reality. Certainly I have great faith in science. But I'm also not afraid of trusting my own experiences, even if they run counter to the science of the day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you imagine trying to explain to 99% percent of the people on this planet what *either* the TM Sidhis *or* EFT Tapping are, and while doing so using the phrase wiser decisions and keeping a straight face? :-) Don't get me wrong. Both have their cadre of believers. Both -- for all I know -- have benefit. But most people on the planet are going to bag them as New Age Hooey and, from the standpoint of real science, both are. But there's no accounting for belief, just as there is no accounting for taste. It's as individual as there are individuals, and that's the way it should be. I say, Carry on with whatever delusions make you happy. I say this to the scientists, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Ask him how he'd explain seeing the Rama dude levitate and make golden light and go invisible and so on in non-hooey terms. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Just kind of curious Barry. Science as far as I know does not examine the notion of breath, or prana, and the different types of pranas. And yet eastern literature discusses prana and the different types of prana quite a bit, and often authoritatively. Because science, or at least western science has not considered this, would you consider what has been said about prana to be hooey? For me, I am not ready to let science yet be the final arbiter of reality. Certainly I have great faith in science. But I'm also not afraid of trusting my own experiences, even if they run counter to the science of the day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you imagine trying to explain to 99% percent of the people on this planet what *either* the TM Sidhis *or* EFT Tapping are, and while doing so using the phrase wiser decisions and keeping a straight face? :-) Don't get me wrong. Both have their cadre of believers. Both -- for all I know -- have benefit. But most people on the planet are going to bag them as New Age Hooey and, from the standpoint of real science, both are. But there's no accounting for belief, just as there is no accounting for taste. It's as individual as there are individuals, and that's the way it should be. I say, Carry on with whatever delusions make you happy. I say this to the scientists, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Parasailing
Juliette has wanted to parasail since she was six. She's eight now and finally got her wish. After she saw a man take flight in his parasail from the the deck of our parasailing boat, she squealed with excitement, I'm not going to change my mind! She was determined to overcome any hint of fear...and she did! Awesome! http://youtu.be/pDYKiRyTC_w
