[FairfieldLife] Re: Some Northwest Humor

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Sorry, but I
neglected to mention that IFC had a "sample" episode of the new season
of "Portlandia" on last night. So check the schedule for repeats or
OnDemand (might want to check the IFC website too). I know we have some
"Portlandia" fans here. It was, of course, very hilarious. I saved the
episode rather than deleting it from the DVR because I have friends
visiting this week who love crazy comedy and will especially enjoy
something from the NW (they're from Seattle). The new season begins
January 4th.

Just watched a few on the segments on the IFC website.  Funny as usual.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass

[Robin Carlsen]

I grew up at the age of six, galloping a horse through the tea fields of Java,
so it all evens out.

This is where Ann has posed her question about consciousness. And it has to be 
answered from there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> "My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic 
> Consciousness, reversible ?"
> 
> Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, 
> or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did 
> everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps 
> getting stronger.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a 
> > > correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be 
> > > *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. 
> > > 
> > > First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really 
> > > stable states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to 
> > > exiting from the spiritual game altogether. 
> > > 
> > > So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions 
> > > of CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like 
> > > an avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in 
> > > the domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal.
> > > 
> > > The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any 
> > > relative state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we 
> > > don't identify with any of them.
> > > 
> > 
> > > Hope that helps!
> > 
> > 
> > Not really :-) Let's try to make this clearer, one step at the time:
> > I think we agree that there is some state we can call Cosmic Consciousness 
> > and that when this state eventually becomes permanent it gives rise to 
> > other states. AND that experiences of all states of consciousness can 
> > appear anytime even without any sort of permanency of any other state. So 
> > far I think we all agree. 
> > Anyone can have experiences of UC, the majority on this board probably had 
> > some such experiences, but let's stick to CC for a moment. My question was; 
> > in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass

[doctordumbass]

"My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, 
reversible ?"

Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or 
whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I 
could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a 
> > correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be 
> > *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. 
> > 
> > First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really 
> > stable states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to 
> > exiting from the spiritual game altogether. 
> > 
> > So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions 
> > of CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like 
> > an avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the 
> > domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal.
> > 
> > The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative 
> > state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't 
> > identify with any of them.
> > 
> 
> > Hope that helps!
> 
> 
> Not really :-) Let's try to make this clearer, one step at the time:
> I think we agree that there is some state we can call Cosmic Consciousness 
> and that when this state eventually becomes permanent it gives rise to other 
> states. AND that experiences of all states of consciousness can appear 
> anytime even without any sort of permanency of any other state. So far I 
> think we all agree. 
> Anyone can have experiences of UC, the majority on this board probably had 
> some such experiences, but let's stick to CC for a moment. My question was; 
> in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[doctordumbass]

The route began in Tahiti, across the Pacific, then on into Australia, 
Indonesia, Malaysia, across the Indian Ocean, Madagascar, South Africa, 
Namibia, across the South Atlantic, and ended in Venezuela. I've been trying to 
get her to publish the book since I met her.

Yeah, we are both well matched. Her foot doesn't always stay down, though - 
lol. I grew up at the age of six, galloping a horse through the tea fields of 
Java, so it all evens out.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > And yet, there is a complete beauty, too, in remaining males and females. I 
> > met my wife 16 years ago, after she had completed sailing around the world 
> > as a crew of two, in a thirty foot sailboat. We had both been to 
> > Borobudur...at very different times.:-)
> 
> 
> Wow wow wow!  Has she written about her experience?  What an amazing 
> challenge.  If you care to share any details from her experiences on the 
> ocean, I would be very interested.  It seems like an unimaginable level of 
> guts to me. I'm guessing when she puts her foot down about something around 
> the house, it stays down!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Together, we have a lovely partnership, of equality and respect, and fun, 
> > and joy. But not because she is less a woman, and I am less a man. Each of 
> > us plays our part - not defined roles, but working with our essential 
> > strengths to forge a stronger bond, and make life more enjoyable for each 
> > of us.
> > 
> > Inequality in any setting doesn't work, and I have never seen my wife as 
> > anything but an equal partner - not really a fair claim, though,  since I 
> > did not come into this life, either by karma, or upbringing, with the idea 
> > that women were anything other than amazing, and equal to me. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > The phrase "you complete me" comes to mind.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: awoelflebater 
> > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:17 PM
> > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> > > >stooopid"
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
> > > >> 
> > > >> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her 
> > > >> of the imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in 
> > > >> thinking of what kind of man she would like to be, she realizes she 
> > > >> possesses the specific attributes which, for her, would be almost 
> > > >> ideal in having to be a man. There is no limitation imposed upon 
> > > >> herself as a woman; but there is the recognition *as a person* she 
> > > >> encompasses--or could encompass, based upon her personal 
> > > >> ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.
> > > >> 
> > > >> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who 
> > > >> know her: Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural 
> > > >> act to defer--just based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds 
> > > >> within her person, then, the possibility of transmuting what she is, 
> > > >> into the form of a man--which says what a powerful woman she is--and 
> > > >> yet how her very person would constitute the basis for being a man she 
> > > >> would respect and love.
> > > >> 
> > > >> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Now, that's some woman.
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for this, very kind words indeed. I would say that the sense I 
> > > >have always had of myself has transcended gender and has always just 
> > > >been a sense of "me" without the male or female attached to it. But I 
> > > >know that my father was a contributing factor in never allowing me to 
> > > >feel in any way less, compromised, incapable or undermined by the fact 
> > > >of my female gender. He was a very equal opportunity guy who would never 
> > > >have dreamed his daughter was handicapped in some way having been born a 
> > > >woman. That definitely rubbed off on me growing up. 
> > > >
> > > >And since the subject of husbands has come up it is also interesting to 
> > > >note that while I embody aspects of what many people categorize as male 
> > > >my spouse is also gifted with some wonderful female qualities. All of 
> > > >these sides of us coming together within our relationship is what makes 
> > > >the two of us a whole.
> > > >> 
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  
> > > >> > > > wr

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.  Anyone 
> > who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not 
> > enlightened in the first place.
> 
> Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with 
> Maharishi, including myself.  I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he 
> has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. 
> I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on 
> FFL with his story.

I don't think determining what state of consciousness someone (including 
oneself) is functioning from is as easy as figuring out if one has the measles, 
a fever or AIDS. But if I read what many write here it is like this can all be 
categorized like some sort of yoghurt culture. What objective measurement is 
there to do such a thing?. There is no thermometer or blood test that can give 
anyone a reading. 

Putting these different states of consciousness into such tight knit categories 
seems way too simplistic and inflexible. It is the human brain we are speaking 
about here. There may be outside forces, effects, influences that could be said 
to 'encourage' enlightenment but ultimately these things act on the physical 
organ we call the human brain. That organ is incredibly adaptable, immeasurably 
mysterious, chemically balancing on the slightest potential for catastrophic 
fluctuations; who is to say what it can do, where it can take its recipient? 
Who is any expert here or anywhere? Who is to say things can not move in one 
direction and then change, morph, grow, regress? I just don't buy it. I don't 
believe the so-called states of consciousness can be put into little boxes 
where they sit like some encased specimens.  How can they even be categorized 
at all, have names? For every individual who is allegedly in some "other" state 
they wouldn't all suddenly become clones of one another acting similarly, 
exhibiting the same interests, speech patterns, decisions, priorities so who  
is determining that Dick and Sally are both in UC? Certainly not Dick and Sally 
I hope. 

If Robin had never meditated or heard of MMY or sought out any spiritual path 
and he had had the experience he had in Arosa on that mountain during a hike 
with a friend I wonder what he would have thought happened. How would he 
explain it? How, in the innocence of having no knowledge that different states 
of consciousness might even exist, would he feel about how he was seeing the 
world? Would it be scary, beautiful, terrible? I only thought of this now, 
maybe he will tell us. And how about anyone else here who believes themselves 
enlightened? Can you imagine what it would have been like to have 'slipped' 
into another mental state but not have known anything about the fact/idea that 
these states existed?

I know one thing though, I am in AC, anyone want to join me? It's pretty cool 
here.
> 
> 
> > 
> > On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote:
> > > Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't 
> > > mind if I attempt to answer this.
> 
> Not at all.
> 
>   First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we 
> develop all the higher states simultaneously.  And I've heard of at least one 
> person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days.  It was a gov who 
> labeled it such.
> 
> Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be 
> the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant.
> 
> > >
> > > Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that 
> > > once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it 
> > > does not take on any more stress.  Lines on air.  So yes, I'd say real CC 
> > > is irreversible.  I think a person can have Unity experiences.  I know 
> > > someone who is having Brahman experiences these days.  But he's realized 
> > > it's not stabilized Brahman.
> 
> 
> > > Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get 
> > > some really useful feedback.
> 
> 
> I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority 
> there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in 
> the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, to Buck & Carde

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear De Facto Ever Watchful, Doc's Inn across from the public library offers 
> organic buffalo burgers.  We could order them extra rare and that would take 
> care of the blood requirement per the Maasai.  What support of Nature!  
> 
> 
> Dear Carde, what's big in some Fairfield circles these days is fermented 
> foods like sauerkraut and kefir.

Do fermented grapes, potatoes and barley count too?

  A local woman has created a whole cottage industry supplying such for the 
community.

She's called a 'moonshiner'.

  And then there are the raw foodies.  
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:12 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, and stuff??
>  
> 
>   
> Dear Card, this is really terribly interesting science and is proly 
> completely relevant to the Invincible America Assembly right now.
> Sort of like the results in the public 'school lunch program' it would 
> probably improve spiritual experiences in the Dome quite a lot in the 
> meditation if more people in there were better nourished and particularly if 
> the the course administration would serve some scrambled eggs or real protein 
> along with coffee and cream during the mid-morning break.  Evidently it would 
> be very good to enforce a better diet to have a much healthier group of 
> meditators,  "..Clean your plate or no stipend today!".  The Science says so.
> 
> Ever watchful to improve the spiritual experience of everyone in the large 
> group program, 
> -Buck, First De Facto Public Health Officer of the Age of Enlightenment up to 
> now and Heaven on Earth after 12.21.2012 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=6665
> > 
> > Micheal Cook · Top Commenter
> > Throughout our history a healthy diet was one which was based mainly on 
> > foods of animal origin and high in fats. Where the major health problems 
> > occured in Britain, it was not among people who ate a lot of fat, but in 
> > those who did not get enough.The comparatively wealthy, who ate meat and 
> > dairy produce regularly, had average lifespans which were comparable with 
> > or better than those of today. It was the poor who could not afford such 
> > foods who suffered high levels of infant mortality, poor growth and 
> > shorter, less healthy lives.
> > 
> > In the 1920's, Sir John Boyd Orr conducted a number of studies which 
> > compared growth rates of children in public schools with those in state run 
> > schools. He found that those from wealthier backgrounds were significantly 
> > taller than their poorer peers. After examining their relative diets and 
> > changing
> > the constituents, Boyd Orr proved conclusively that children of the 
> > socially deprived, who lived on a largely carbohydrate diet of bread and 
> > potatoes, benefitted from a diet supplemented with full-cream milk.
> > 
> > Boyd Orr's studies found confirmation in observations among the people's of 
> > India made by Sir Robert McCarrison, a colonial medical officer. He 
> > compared the southern Indians, who ate very little in the way of dairy 
> > produce and who were of stunted growth and prone to disease, with their 
> > neighbours to the north, the Sikhs, who drank a great deal of milk and were 
> > fit and healthy. Maasai, who lived almost exclusively on blood and milk, 
> > with their unhealthy vegetarian neighbours, the Kikuyu. That added to the 
> > weight of evidence.
> > 
> > Boyd Orr concluded that the food intake of half the British population was 
> > seriously deficient in a number of what he called 'protective 
> > constitiuents' which were necessary for good health. In the late 1930's he 
> > proposed that the British people should drink more milk, and eat more dairy 
> > produce and meat. The British government of the time recommended that milk 
> > consumption should be doubled and introduced free school milk. The British 
> > Medical Association, giving specific amounts, advised that the population 
> > should consume 80% more milk, 55% more eggs, 40% more butter and 30% more 
> > meat. Later, with the advent of television advertising, the government 
> > sponsored its own 'go to work on an egg' campaign.
> > 
> > Except for the period of food rationing during the 1940s and early 1950s, 
> > Boyd Orr's recommended diet was the standard British fare. We ate breakfast 
> > of eggs and fatty bacon fried in lard: dripping, the fat from the sunday 
> > roast, was saved to have on bread and toast: we drank full cream milk and 
> > ate butter. Only the poor ate margarine: and only the poor had high levels 
> > of disease. The recommendations to eat a relatively high-fat, high-animal 
> > protein diet led to a spectacular decrease in diseases: rickets, called the 
> > 'English Disease' because it was so widespread together 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[laughinggull108]

Nicely put Mr. Carlsen. Not a putdown, but this was very understandable and I 
enjoyed reading it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
> 
> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of the 
> imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of what kind 
> of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the specific 
> attributes which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to be a man. There 
> is no limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but there is the 
> recognition *as a person* she encompasses--or could encompass, based upon her 
> personal ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.
> 
> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know her: 
> Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to defer--just 
> based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her person, then, the 
> possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form of a man--which says 
> what a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very person would constitute 
> the basis for being a man she would respect and love.
> 
> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
> 
> Now, that's some woman.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > > > 
> > > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> > > > 
> > > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> > > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> > > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> > > 
> > > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> > > at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
> > > usual drama queenery and faux outrage.
> > 
> > As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> > 
> > As if the smiley face would make any difference.
> > 
> > Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
> > comeback.
> > 
> > > What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
> > > committed to turning *everything* into an argument
> > > as Judy is understood
> > 
> > No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
> > into an argument.
> > 
> > > -- is that I cannot imagine 
> > > anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
> > > with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
> > > sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
> > > narcissism that would be tough to cope with.
> > 
> > And of course that isn't what Ann said, nor what she
> > meant. What an insane interpretation.
> > 
> > > Relationships are all about the *differences* between
> > > people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
> > > and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
> > > to be with a clone of themselves? 
> > 
> > Nobody would want that. Including Ann. Read what she
> > wrote again, you demented dimwit:
> > 
> > "And if Share were a man she wants to be Steve. If I
> > were a man I'd want to be me."
> > 
> > Nothing to do with a *relationship*. It's only your
> > twisted mind that would make this into, "My ideal man
> > would be just like me."
> > 
> > > I'm just suggesting 
> > > that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
> > > telling.
> > 
> > What's telling, Barry, is the deterioration of your
> > mental faculties exemplified by this post.
> > 
> > And note that you've managed to bust your faux outrage
> > about my not quoting your smiley face. You never meant
> > your remark to be anything but a nasty putdown of Ann.
> > 
> > > Judy's? That just more of her normal nastiness and Yet 
> > > Another Attempt to get everybody arguing, and thus to 
> > > drag things down to her level.
> > 
> > There's no argument here, Barry. *You* tried to start
> > one, but you just made yourself look RLY
> > RLY STPID.
> > 
> > Now go sit in the corner.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.
> > > Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused
> > > and not enlightened in the first place.
> > 
> > Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has 
> > studied with Maharishi, including myself.  I posted the question
> > to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding
> > on the subject.
> >
> > I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin
> > turned up on FFL with his story.
> 
> It did arise and was discussed quite a bit.
> 
> Me, I wonder whether anyone who had been enlightened was
> ever so determined to get back to waking state that they
> spent a quarter of a century working on it.
>

I haven't read any of her books, but from listening to friends in FF who have, 
it sounds like Bernadette Roberts took the hammer of Catholic indoctrination to 
smash her experience of no self in order to make it conform to her Catholicism. 
Her original book is apparently a crystal clear description of nondual 
awakening, but her newer book was described as painful to read, as she 
basically Catholicizes away her enlightenment.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.
> > Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused
> > and not enlightened in the first place.
> 
> Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has 
> studied with Maharishi, including myself.  I posted the question
> to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding
> on the subject.
>
> I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin
> turned up on FFL with his story.

It did arise and was discussed quite a bit.

Me, I wonder whether anyone who had been enlightened was
ever so determined to get back to waking state that they
spent a quarter of a century working on it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a 
> correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be 
> *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. 
> 
> First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really stable 
> states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to exiting 
> from the spiritual game altogether. 
> 
> So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions of 
> CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like an 
> avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the 
> domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal.
> 
> The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative 
> state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't 
> identify with any of them.
> 

> Hope that helps!


Not really :-) Let's try to make this clearer, one step at the time:
I think we agree that there is some state we can call Cosmic Consciousness and 
that when this state eventually becomes permanent it gives rise to other 
states. AND that experiences of all states of consciousness can appear anytime 
even without any sort of permanency of any other state. So far I think we all 
agree. 
Anyone can have experiences of UC, the majority on this board probably had some 
such experiences, but let's stick to CC for a moment. My question was; in your 
opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[Robin Carlsen]

Closing down the chakras was the most difficult of all my challenges when I 
supernaturally reversed the course of my evolution by de-enlightening myself. 
One secret: I got help.

Baby Jesus was not that help.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.  Anyone 
> > who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not 
> > enlightened in the first place.
> 
> Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with 
> Maharishi, including myself.  I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he 
> has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. 
> I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on 
> FFL with his story.
> 
> 
> > 
> > On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote:
> > > Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't 
> > > mind if I attempt to answer this.
> 
> Not at all.
> 
>   First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we 
> develop all the higher states simultaneously.  And I've heard of at least one 
> person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days.  It was a gov who 
> labeled it such.
> 
> Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be 
> the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant.
> 
> > >
> > > Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that 
> > > once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it 
> > > does not take on any more stress.  Lines on air.  So yes, I'd say real CC 
> > > is irreversible.  I think a person can have Unity experiences.  I know 
> > > someone who is having Brahman experiences these days.  But he's realized 
> > > it's not stabilized Brahman.
> 
> 
> > > Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get 
> > > some really useful feedback.
> 
> 
> I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority 
> there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in 
> the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM, authfriend  wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CORRECTION: Stay away from the innocent purity of Ann's
> > > > husband & I
> > >
> > > You had the pronoun ("me") right the first time, my friend.
> >
> > Damn I thought I had the formula on the usage of "me" vs "I"
> > nailed - oh well, you got me there :-)
>
> Lots of native English speakers get it wrong too. I only
> mentioned it because you called it a "correction," so I
> figured you really wanted it to be right.
>
> If the pronoun is part of a prepositional phrase, it has
> to be "me." You wouldn't say "the innocent purity of I."


You are right Judy. I forgot to clarify - I only had trouble in the past
with the conjunctions of the personal pronoun. Then I read somewhere the
easy solution for it - breaking apart the conjunction into two separate
sentences. This helps - as you point above, anyway I make too many quick
posts on FFL and don't really bother to check it thoroughly. In this case
my correction was to playfully add the "innocent purity" of Ann's husband
and me :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.  Anyone 
> who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not 
> enlightened in the first place.

Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with 
Maharishi, including myself.  I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he 
has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. 
I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL 
with his story.


> 
> On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote:
> > Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind 
> > if I attempt to answer this.

Not at all.

  First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we 
develop all the higher states simultaneously.  And I've heard of at least one 
person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days.  It was a gov who labeled 
it such.

Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be 
the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant.

> >
> > Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that 
> > once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does 
> > not take on any more stress.  Lines on air.  So yes, I'd say real CC is 
> > irreversible.  I think a person can have Unity experiences.  I know someone 
> > who is having Brahman experiences these days.  But he's realized it's not 
> > stabilized Brahman.


> > Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some 
> > really useful feedback.


I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority 
there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in 
the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes dear Emily, the Share Saga has taken a toll on me. My innocence has been 
lost, I'm very cynical about apologies. No longer will I accept anyone's 
apologies at face value, no madam, I will create lot of ruckus. Healers have to 
be involved, pastoral counselors are a must, John Newton's grace is 
indispensable. Proofs will be demanded, an independent jury comprised of wts, 
non-wts members will be convened and everything meticulously examined. I'm sick 
and tired of this bullshit.


On Dec 17, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Emily Reyn  wrote:

> One doesn't apologize when there is nothing to apologize for, which is always 
> the case when one is always "right." 
> 
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> to Xeno
> 
>  
> We have gone way past a simple sorry Share. You need to take 2 healing 
> sessions and one session with your pastoral counselor within the next week, 
> the first healing session must take place within the next 48 hours. At least 
> one of them should be John Newton approved. Please scan all receipts and 
> proof of attendance and upload it to the files section.  I appoint LG, Oxcart 
> and myself to review these, once approved your apologies will be accepted. 
> Thanks Share.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.
> 
> 
> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to 
> Xeno
> 
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I 
> > meant.  Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about something 
> > Emily attributed to me yesterday.
> > Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?
> 
> I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.
> 
> 1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'
> 
> But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some kind 
> of context.
> 
> 2. 'let alone express it.'
> 
> To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even if 
> you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the word 
> is typically used. And you must also know something of what the word means, 
> and suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting it would 
> require you to define it so you would be understood. This is not a serious 
> post by me. I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to be away - 
> and did not feel like some serious discussion. So, I was not even bringing up 
> the subject of whatever the discussion was, which was why it was snipped. I 
> do believe I know what you intended by the remark, but I was having fun with 
> it. Do not take me seriously here. Your situation with Emily was not in my 
> mind at all. I don't even know what it is/was.
> 
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[curtisdeltablues]

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> And yet, there is a complete beauty, too, in remaining males and females. I 
> met my wife 16 years ago, after she had completed sailing around the world as 
> a crew of two, in a thirty foot sailboat. We had both been to Borobudur...at 
> very different times.:-)


Wow wow wow!  Has she written about her experience?  What an amazing challenge. 
 If you care to share any details from her experiences on the ocean, I would be 
very interested.  It seems like an unimaginable level of guts to me. I'm 
guessing when she puts her foot down about something around the house, it stays 
down!








> 
> Together, we have a lovely partnership, of equality and respect, and fun, and 
> joy. But not because she is less a woman, and I am less a man. Each of us 
> plays our part - not defined roles, but working with our essential strengths 
> to forge a stronger bond, and make life more enjoyable for each of us.
> 
> Inequality in any setting doesn't work, and I have never seen my wife as 
> anything but an equal partner - not really a fair claim, though,  since I did 
> not come into this life, either by karma, or upbringing, with the idea that 
> women were anything other than amazing, and equal to me. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > The phrase "you complete me" comes to mind.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > From: awoelflebater 
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:17 PM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> > >stooopid"
> > > 
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
> > >> 
> > >> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of 
> > >> the imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of 
> > >> what kind of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the 
> > >> specific attributes which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to 
> > >> be a man. There is no limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but 
> > >> there is the recognition *as a person* she encompasses--or could 
> > >> encompass, based upon her personal ingredients--the form of herself 
> > >> imagined as a man.
> > >> 
> > >> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know 
> > >> her: Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to 
> > >> defer--just based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her 
> > >> person, then, the possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form 
> > >> of a man--which says what a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very 
> > >> person would constitute the basis for being a man she would respect and 
> > >> love.
> > >> 
> > >> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
> > >> 
> > >> Now, that's some woman.
> > >
> > >Thank you for this, very kind words indeed. I would say that the sense I 
> > >have always had of myself has transcended gender and has always just been 
> > >a sense of "me" without the male or female attached to it. But I know that 
> > >my father was a contributing factor in never allowing me to feel in any 
> > >way less, compromised, incapable or undermined by the fact of my female 
> > >gender. He was a very equal opportunity guy who would never have dreamed 
> > >his daughter was handicapped in some way having been born a woman. That 
> > >definitely rubbed off on me growing up. 
> > >
> > >And since the subject of husbands has come up it is also interesting to 
> > >note that while I embody aspects of what many people categorize as male my 
> > >spouse is also gifted with some wonderful female qualities. All of these 
> > >sides of us coming together within our relationship is what makes the two 
> > >of us a whole.
> > >> 
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > >> > > > > 
> > >> > > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > >> > > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> > >> > > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> > >> > > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> > >> > > at the end of my post, so tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, to Buck & Carde

[doctordumbass]

for the Masai, you must milk the live cattle of their blood, and milk, and 
drink it, as a smoothie. 

Personally, I'll stick with El Jimador Reposado tequila, served in shot glasses 
made of prehistoric salt, thank you.:-0

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear De Facto Ever Watchful, Doc's Inn across from the public library offers 
> organic buffalo burgers.  We could order them extra rare and that would take 
> care of the blood requirement per the Maasai.  What support of Nature!  
> 
> 
> Dear Carde, what's big in some Fairfield circles these days is fermented 
> foods like sauerkraut and kefir.  A local woman has created a whole cottage 
> industry supplying such for the community.  And then there are the raw 
> foodies.  
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:12 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, and stuff??
>  
> 
>   
> Dear Card, this is really terribly interesting science and is proly 
> completely relevant to the Invincible America Assembly right now.
> Sort of like the results in the public 'school lunch program' it would 
> probably improve spiritual experiences in the Dome quite a lot in the 
> meditation if more people in there were better nourished and particularly if 
> the the course administration would serve some scrambled eggs or real protein 
> along with coffee and cream during the mid-morning break.  Evidently it would 
> be very good to enforce a better diet to have a much healthier group of 
> meditators,  "..Clean your plate or no stipend today!".  The Science says so.
> 
> Ever watchful to improve the spiritual experience of everyone in the large 
> group program, 
> -Buck, First De Facto Public Health Officer of the Age of Enlightenment up to 
> now and Heaven on Earth after 12.21.2012 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=6665
> > 
> > Micheal Cook · Top Commenter
> > Throughout our history a healthy diet was one which was based mainly on 
> > foods of animal origin and high in fats. Where the major health problems 
> > occured in Britain, it was not among people who ate a lot of fat, but in 
> > those who did not get enough.The comparatively wealthy, who ate meat and 
> > dairy produce regularly, had average lifespans which were comparable with 
> > or better than those of today. It was the poor who could not afford such 
> > foods who suffered high levels of infant mortality, poor growth and 
> > shorter, less healthy lives.
> > 
> > In the 1920's, Sir John Boyd Orr conducted a number of studies which 
> > compared growth rates of children in public schools with those in state run 
> > schools. He found that those from wealthier backgrounds were significantly 
> > taller than their poorer peers. After examining their relative diets and 
> > changing
> > the constituents, Boyd Orr proved conclusively that children of the 
> > socially deprived, who lived on a largely carbohydrate diet of bread and 
> > potatoes, benefitted from a diet supplemented with full-cream milk.
> > 
> > Boyd Orr's studies found confirmation in observations among the people's of 
> > India made by Sir Robert McCarrison, a colonial medical officer. He 
> > compared the southern Indians, who ate very little in the way of dairy 
> > produce and who were of stunted growth and prone to disease, with their 
> > neighbours to the north, the Sikhs, who drank a great deal of milk and were 
> > fit and healthy. Maasai, who lived almost exclusively on blood and milk, 
> > with their unhealthy vegetarian neighbours, the Kikuyu. That added to the 
> > weight of evidence.
> > 
> > Boyd Orr concluded that the food intake of half the British population was 
> > seriously deficient in a number of what he called 'protective 
> > constitiuents' which were necessary for good health. In the late 1930's he 
> > proposed that the British people should drink more milk, and eat more dairy 
> > produce and meat. The British government of the time recommended that milk 
> > consumption should be doubled and introduced free school milk. The British 
> > Medical Association, giving specific amounts, advised that the population 
> > should consume 80% more milk, 55% more eggs, 40% more butter and 30% more 
> > meat. Later, with the advent of television advertising, the government 
> > sponsored its own 'go to work on an egg' campaign.
> > 
> > Except for the period of food rationing during the 1940s and early 1950s, 
> > Boyd Orr's recommended diet was the standard British fare. We ate breakfast 
> > of eggs and fatty bacon fried in lard: dripping, the fat from the sunday 
> > roast, was saved to have on bread and toast: we drank full cream milk and 
> > ate butter. Only the poor ate margarine: and only the poor had high levels 
> > of disease. The recommendations to eat a relatively high-fat, high-animal 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, to Buck & Carde

[Share Long]

dear De Facto Ever Watchful, Doc's Inn across from the public library offers 
organic buffalo burgers.  We could order them extra rare and that would take 
care of the blood requirement per the Maasai.  What support of Nature!  


Dear Carde, what's big in some Fairfield circles these days is fermented foods 
like sauerkraut and kefir.  A local woman has created a whole cottage industry 
supplying such for the community.  And then there are the raw foodies.  



 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, and stuff??
 

  
Dear Card, this is really terribly interesting science and is proly completely 
relevant to the Invincible America Assembly right now.
Sort of like the results in the public 'school lunch program' it would probably 
improve spiritual experiences in the Dome quite a lot in the meditation if more 
people in there were better nourished and particularly if the the course 
administration would serve some scrambled eggs or real protein along with 
coffee and cream during the mid-morning break.  Evidently it would be very good 
to enforce a better diet to have a much healthier group of meditators,  
"..Clean your plate or no stipend today!".  The Science says so.

Ever watchful to improve the spiritual experience of everyone in the large 
group program, 
-Buck, First De Facto Public Health Officer of the Age of Enlightenment up to 
now and Heaven on Earth after 12.21.2012 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=6665
> 
> Micheal Cook · Top Commenter
> Throughout our history a healthy diet was one which was based mainly on foods 
> of animal origin and high in fats. Where the major health problems occured in 
> Britain, it was not among people who ate a lot of fat, but in those who did 
> not get enough.The comparatively wealthy, who ate meat and dairy produce 
> regularly, had average lifespans which were comparable with or better than 
> those of today. It was the poor who could not afford such foods who suffered 
> high levels of infant mortality, poor growth and shorter, less healthy lives.
> 
> In the 1920's, Sir John Boyd Orr conducted a number of studies which compared 
> growth rates of children in public schools with those in state run schools. 
> He found that those from wealthier backgrounds were significantly taller than 
> their poorer peers. After examining their relative diets and changing
> the constituents, Boyd Orr proved conclusively that children of the socially 
> deprived, who lived on a largely carbohydrate diet of bread and potatoes, 
> benefitted from a diet supplemented with full-cream milk.
> 
> Boyd Orr's studies found confirmation in observations among the people's of 
> India made by Sir Robert McCarrison, a colonial medical officer. He compared 
> the southern Indians, who ate very little in the way of dairy produce and who 
> were of stunted growth and prone to disease, with their neighbours to the 
> north, the Sikhs, who drank a great deal of milk and were fit and healthy. 
> Maasai, who lived almost exclusively on blood and milk, with their unhealthy 
> vegetarian neighbours, the Kikuyu. That added to the weight of evidence.
> 
> Boyd Orr concluded that the food intake of half the British population was 
> seriously deficient in a number of what he called 'protective constitiuents' 
> which were necessary for good health. In the late 1930's he proposed that the 
> British people should drink more milk, and eat more dairy produce and meat. 
> The British government of the time recommended that milk consumption should 
> be doubled and introduced free school milk. The British Medical Association, 
> giving specific amounts, advised that the population should consume 80% more 
> milk, 55% more eggs, 40% more butter and 30% more meat. Later, with the 
> advent of television advertising, the government sponsored its own 'go to 
> work on an egg' campaign.
> 
> Except for the period of food rationing during the 1940s and early 1950s, 
> Boyd Orr's recommended diet was the standard British fare. We ate breakfast 
> of eggs and fatty bacon fried in lard: dripping, the fat from the sunday 
> roast, was saved to have on bread and toast: we drank full cream milk and ate 
> butter. Only the poor ate margarine: and only the poor had high levels of 
> disease. The recommendations to eat a relatively high-fat, high-animal 
> protein diet led to a spectacular decrease in diseases: rickets, called the 
> 'English Disease' because it was so widespread together with other defeciency 
> diseases, largely disappeared from our lives: child deaths from diptheria, 
> measles, scarlet fever and whooping cough also fell dramatically well before 
> the introduction of anti-biotics and widespread immunisation. Although other 
> factors helped, most important was the higher resistance of children t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[doctordumbass]

And yet, there is a complete beauty, too, in remaining males and females. I met 
my wife 16 years ago, after she had completed sailing around the world as a 
crew of two, in a thirty foot sailboat. We had both been to Borobudur...at very 
different times.:-)

Together, we have a lovely partnership, of equality and respect, and fun, and 
joy. But not because she is less a woman, and I am less a man. Each of us plays 
our part - not defined roles, but working with our essential strengths to forge 
a stronger bond, and make life more enjoyable for each of us.

Inequality in any setting doesn't work, and I have never seen my wife as 
anything but an equal partner - not really a fair claim, though,  since I did 
not come into this life, either by karma, or upbringing, with the idea that 
women were anything other than amazing, and equal to me. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> The phrase "you complete me" comes to mind.  
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: awoelflebater 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:17 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> >stooopid"
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >>
> >> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
> >> 
> >> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of 
> >> the imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of 
> >> what kind of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the 
> >> specific attributes which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to be 
> >> a man. There is no limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but there 
> >> is the recognition *as a person* she encompasses--or could encompass, 
> >> based upon her personal ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.
> >> 
> >> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know 
> >> her: Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to 
> >> defer--just based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her 
> >> person, then, the possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form of 
> >> a man--which says what a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very 
> >> person would constitute the basis for being a man she would respect and 
> >> love.
> >> 
> >> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
> >> 
> >> Now, that's some woman.
> >
> >Thank you for this, very kind words indeed. I would say that the sense I 
> >have always had of myself has transcended gender and has always just been a 
> >sense of "me" without the male or female attached to it. But I know that my 
> >father was a contributing factor in never allowing me to feel in any way 
> >less, compromised, incapable or undermined by the fact of my female gender. 
> >He was a very equal opportunity guy who would never have dreamed his 
> >daughter was handicapped in some way having been born a woman. That 
> >definitely rubbed off on me growing up. 
> >
> >And since the subject of husbands has come up it is also interesting to note 
> >that while I embody aspects of what many people categorize as male my spouse 
> >is also gifted with some wonderful female qualities. All of these sides of 
> >us coming together within our relationship is what makes the two of us a 
> >whole.
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> >> > > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> >> > > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> >> > > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> >> > > 
> >> > > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> >> > > at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
> >> > > usual drama queenery and faux outrage.
> >> > 
> >> > As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> >> > 
> >> > As if the smiley face would make any difference.
> >> > 
> >> > Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
> >> > comeback.
> >> > 
> >> > > What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
> >> > > committed to turning *everything* into an argument
> >> > > as Judy is understood
> >> > 
> >> > No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
> >> > into an argument.
> >> > 
> >> > > -- is that I cannot imagine 
> >> > > anything more tr

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass

[doctordumbass]

Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a 
correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be 
*established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. 

First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really stable 
states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to exiting from 
the spiritual game altogether. 

So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions of 
CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like an 
avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the domain 
of the Self, the Infinite Personal.

The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative 
state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't identify 
with any of them.

Hope that helps!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity 
> Consciousness and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that 
> for Unity to be developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC 
> is irreverasble ?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[Emily Reyn]

The phrase "you complete me" comes to mind.  



>
> From: awoelflebater 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:17 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
>stooopid"
> 
>
>  
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>>
>> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
>> 
>> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of the 
>> imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of what 
>> kind of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the specific 
>> attributes which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to be a man. 
>> There is no limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but there is the 
>> recognition *as a person* she encompasses--or could encompass, based upon 
>> her personal ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.
>> 
>> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know her: 
>> Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to 
>> defer--just based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her 
>> person, then, the possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form of a 
>> man--which says what a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very person 
>> would constitute the basis for being a man she would respect and love.
>> 
>> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
>> 
>> Now, that's some woman.
>
>Thank you for this, very kind words indeed. I would say that the sense I have 
>always had of myself has transcended gender and has always just been a sense 
>of "me" without the male or female attached to it. But I know that my father 
>was a contributing factor in never allowing me to feel in any way less, 
>compromised, incapable or undermined by the fact of my female gender. He was a 
>very equal opportunity guy who would never have dreamed his daughter was 
>handicapped in some way having been born a woman. That definitely rubbed off 
>on me growing up. 
>
>And since the subject of husbands has come up it is also interesting to note 
>that while I embody aspects of what many people categorize as male my spouse 
>is also gifted with some wonderful female qualities. All of these sides of us 
>coming together within our relationship is what makes the two of us a whole.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
>> > > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
>> > > > 
>> > > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
>> > > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
>> > > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
>> > > 
>> > > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
>> > > at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
>> > > usual drama queenery and faux outrage.
>> > 
>> > As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
>> > 
>> > As if the smiley face would make any difference.
>> > 
>> > Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
>> > comeback.
>> > 
>> > > What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
>> > > committed to turning *everything* into an argument
>> > > as Judy is understood
>> > 
>> > No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
>> > into an argument.
>> > 
>> > > -- is that I cannot imagine 
>> > > anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
>> > > with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
>> > > sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
>> > > narcissism that would be tough to cope with.
>> > 
>> > And of course that isn't what Ann said, nor what she
>> > meant. What an insane interpretation.
>> > 
>> > > Relationships are all about the *differences* between
>> > > people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
>> > > and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
>> > > to be with a clone of themselves? 
>> > 
>> > Nobody would want that. Including Ann. Read what she
>> > wrote again, you demented dimwit:
>> > 
>> > "And if Share were a man she wants to be Steve. If I
>> > were a man I'd want to be me."
>> > 
>> > Nothing to do with a *relationship*. It's only your
>> > twisted mind that would make this into, "My ideal man
>> > would be just like me."
>> > 
>> > > I'm just suggesting 
>> > > that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
>> > > telling.
>> > 
>> > What's telling, Barry, is the deterioration of your
>> > mental faculties exemplified

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> "If I were a man I would want to be me".
> 
> Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of the 
> imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of what kind 
> of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the specific 
> attributes which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to be a man. There 
> is no limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but there is the 
> recognition *as a person* she encompasses--or could encompass, based upon her 
> personal ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.
> 
> It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know her: 
> Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to defer--just 
> based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her person, then, the 
> possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form of a man--which says 
> what a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very person would constitute 
> the basis for being a man she would respect and love.
> 
> She can see herself as being a beautiful man.
> 
> Now, that's some woman.

Thank you for this, very kind words indeed. I would say that the sense I have 
always had of myself has transcended gender and has always just been a sense of 
"me" without the male or female attached to it. But I know that my father was a 
contributing factor in never allowing me to feel in any way less, compromised, 
incapable or undermined by the fact of my female gender. He was a very equal 
opportunity guy who would never have dreamed his daughter was handicapped in 
some way having been born a woman. That definitely rubbed off on me growing up. 

And since the subject of husbands has come up it is also interesting to note 
that while I embody aspects of what many people categorize as male my spouse is 
also gifted with some wonderful female qualities. All of these sides of us 
coming together within our relationship is what makes the two of us a whole.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > > > 
> > > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> > > > 
> > > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> > > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> > > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> > > 
> > > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> > > at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
> > > usual drama queenery and faux outrage.
> > 
> > As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> > 
> > As if the smiley face would make any difference.
> > 
> > Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
> > comeback.
> > 
> > > What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
> > > committed to turning *everything* into an argument
> > > as Judy is understood
> > 
> > No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
> > into an argument.
> > 
> > > -- is that I cannot imagine 
> > > anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
> > > with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
> > > sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
> > > narcissism that would be tough to cope with.
> > 
> > And of course that isn't what Ann said, nor what she
> > meant. What an insane interpretation.
> > 
> > > Relationships are all about the *differences* between
> > > people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
> > > and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
> > > to be with a clone of themselves? 
> > 
> > Nobody would want that. Including Ann. Read what she
> > wrote again, you demented dimwit:
> > 
> > "And if Share were a man she wants to be Steve. If I
> > were a man I'd want to be me."
> > 
> > Nothing to do with a *relationship*. It's only your
> > twisted mind that would make this into, "My ideal man
> > would be just like me."
> > 
> > > I'm just suggesting 
> > > that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
> > > telling.
> > 
> > What's telling, Barry, is the deterioration of your
> > mental faculties exemplified by this post.
> > 
> > And note that you've managed to bust your faux outrage
> > about my not quoting your smiley face. You never meant
> > your remark to be anything but a nasty putdown of Ann.
> > 
> > > Judy's? That just more of her normal nastiness and Yet 
> > > Another Attempt to get everybody arguing, and thus to 
> > > drag things down to her level.
> > 
> > There's no argument here, Ba

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

[wikipedia]:

'Imbecile was a medical category of people with moderate to severe mental 
retardation, as well as a type of criminal. The term arises from the Latin word 
imbecillus, meaning weak, or weak-minded. It included people with an IQ of 
26–50, between "moron" (IQ of 51–70) and "idiot" (IQ of 0–25).'

'The meaning was further refined into mental and moral imbecility. The concepts 
of "moral insanity", "moral idiocy"," and "moral imbecility", led to the 
emerging field of eugenic criminology, which held that crime can be reduced by 
preventing "feeble-minded" people from reproducing.'

'The concept is closely associated with psychology, psychiatry, criminology, 
and eugenics. However, the term imbecile quickly passed into vernacular usage 
as a derogatory term, and fell out of professional use in the 20th century in 
favor of mental retardation.'

'In recent decades, the phrases "mental retardation", "mentally retarded", and 
"retarded" have similarly come to be viewed as derogatory terms and their usage 
now is considered to be politically incorrect much like the words moron, 
imbecile, and idiot, formerly used as scientific terms in the early 20th 
century, also came to be viewed as derogatory. On October 5, 2010, President 
Barack Obama signed Senate Bill 2781, known as "Rosa's Law", which changed 
references in many Federal statutes that referred to "mental retardation" to 
refer instead to "intellectual disability".'

So all you disabie retards, what more idiotic, moronic, imbecilic behaviour can 
we expect here? In view that these now medically disused terms reffered to IQs 
70 or lower, no one here on FFL probably falls into any of these categories, 
though certainly there are times when maybe we wish a wee bit some particular 
person, as the result of some particular post or posts, would thereby fall in 
line with one of these categories.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to seekliberation

[seekliberation]

I think i'd have to agree with you that referring to a movement is probably not 
the right word to say.  Whoever it is that's trying to eliminate reference to 
'Christmas' and images of Jesus during holidays, they are statistically a 
minority of Americans.  Personally, I don't give a rat's ass, as I think the 
simple-mindedness of Christianity slows down our spiritual growth and 
understanding.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> wrote:
> 
> > You know, I get irritated at some of the recent attacks on 
> > Christmas and what appears to be a movement in America to
> > remove any trace of Christianity from our lives.
> 
> Oh, please, there is no such movement. That's a ridiculous
> right-wing meme. You could say there's a movement to reduce
> the role of religions generally in our public life, in
> accordance with the Constitution; and because Christianity
> is the dominant religion in the country, that means the
> movement more often targets Christianity than other religions.
> 
> But *nothing* that's been done or proposed in this regard
> has a thing to do with reducing, let alone eliminating,
> the role played by Christianity or any other religion in
> anyone's private life. That remains inviolable.
> 
> As to the notion of "attacks" on Christmas, have a look at
> this op-ed piece:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/the-puritan-war-on-christmas.html
> 
> As the piece points out, the "war on Christmas" is our oldest
> Christmas tradition in this country, one begun and sustained
> by the very most devout of Christians.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[emilymae.reyn]

Dear Share (you'll note I gave up the term "Sharester" when you said you 
perceived it as something negative.)  You responded by calling me EmilyBoo at 
the end.  Please see Dr. Dumbass's apology to Curtis and Curtis's reply.  
Please note Feste's apology to Robin and Robin's reply.  These are good 
examples of what an apology might look like, literally.  The humorous ones I 
note all the time I won't mention, because they might only be humorous to me.  
I am a tiny bit creepy.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> The apology below was a simple acknowledgement of something that didn't 
> really matter (she was right; he deleted the meaning of that email). 
>  Apologies don't mean anything they don't cost you anything.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Emily Reyn 
> >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 11:11 AM
> >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> >to Xeno
> > 
> >
> >One doesn't apologize when there is nothing to apologize for, which is 
> >always the case when one is always "right." 
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> From: Ravi Chivukula 
> >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:57 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or 
> >>"reeely to Xeno
> >> 
> >>
> >>  
> >>We have gone way past a simple sorry Share. You need to take 2 healing 
> >>sessions and one session with your pastoral counselor within the next week, 
> >>the first healing session must take place within the next 48 hours. At 
> >>least one of them should be John Newton approved. Please scan all receipts 
> >>and proof of attendance and upload it to the files section.  I appoint LG, 
> >>Oxcart and myself to review these, once approved your apologies will be 
> >>accepted. Thanks Share.
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> >>
> >>Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >>>Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
> >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> >>>to Xeno
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> 
>  Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I 
>  meant.  Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about 
>  something Emily attributed to me yesterday.
>  Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?
> >>>
> >>>I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.
> >>>
> >>>1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'
> >>>
> >>>But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some 
> >>>kind of context.
> >>>
> >>>2. 'let alone express it.'
> >>>
> >>>To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even 
> >>>if you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the 
> >>>word is typically used. And you must also know something of what the word 
> >>>means, and suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting 
> >>>it would require you to define it so you would be understood. This is not 
> >>>a serious post by me. I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to 
> >>>be away - and did not feel like some serious discussion. So, I was not 
> >>>even bringing up the subject of whatever the discussion was, which was why 
> >>>it was snipped. I do believe I know what you intended by the remark, but I 
> >>>was having fun with it. Do not take me seriously here. Your situation with 
> >>>Emily was not in my mind at all. I don't even know what it is/was.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Emily Reyn]

The apology below was a simple acknowledgement of something that didn't really 
matter (she was right; he deleted the meaning of that email).  Apologies don't 
mean anything they don't cost you anything.



>
> From: Emily Reyn 
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 11:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
>to Xeno
> 
>
>One doesn't apologize when there is nothing to apologize for, which is always 
>the case when one is always "right." 
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
>>to Xeno
>> 
>>
>>  
>>We have gone way past a simple sorry Share. You need to take 2 healing 
>>sessions and one session with your pastoral counselor within the next week, 
>>the first healing session must take place within the next 48 hours. At least 
>>one of them should be John Newton approved. Please scan all receipts and 
>>proof of attendance and upload it to the files section.  I appoint LG, Oxcart 
>>and myself to review these, once approved your apologies will be accepted. 
>>Thanks Share.
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>>
>>Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
>>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
>>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to 
>>>Xeno
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I 
 meant.  Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about something 
 Emily attributed to me yesterday.
 Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?
>>>
>>>I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.
>>>
>>>1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'
>>>
>>>But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some kind 
>>>of context.
>>>
>>>2. 'let alone express it.'
>>>
>>>To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even 
>>>if you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the 
>>>word is typically used. And you must also know something of what the word 
>>>means, and suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting it 
>>>would require you to define it so you would be understood. This is not a 
>>>serious post by me. I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to be 
>>>away - and did not feel like some serious discussion. So, I was not even 
>>>bringing up the subject of whatever the discussion was, which was why it was 
>>>snipped. I do believe I know what you intended by the remark, but I was 
>>>having fun with it. Do not take me seriously here. Your situation with Emily 
>>>was not in my mind at all. I don't even know what it is/was.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Emily Reyn]

One doesn't apologize when there is nothing to apologize for, which is always 
the case when one is always "right." 



>
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
>to Xeno
> 
>
>  
>We have gone way past a simple sorry Share. You need to take 2 healing 
>sessions and one session with your pastoral counselor within the next week, 
>the first healing session must take place within the next 48 hours. At least 
>one of them should be John Newton approved. Please scan all receipts and proof 
>of attendance and upload it to the files section.  I appoint LG, Oxcart and 
>myself to review these, once approved your apologies will be accepted. Thanks 
>Share.
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>
>Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to 
>>Xeno
>> 
>>
>>  
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>>>
>>> Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I 
>>> meant.  Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about something 
>>> Emily attributed to me yesterday.
>>> Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?
>>
>>I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.
>>
>>1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'
>>
>>But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some kind 
>>of context.
>>
>>2. 'let alone express it.'
>>
>>To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even if 
>>you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the word 
>>is typically used. And you must also know something of what the word means, 
>>and suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting it would 
>>require you to define it so you would be understood. This is not a serious 
>>post by me. I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to be away - 
>>and did not feel like some serious discussion. So, I was not even bringing up 
>>the subject of whatever the discussion was, which was why it was snipped. I 
>>do believe I know what you intended by the remark, but I was having fun with 
>>it. Do not take me seriously here. Your situation with Emily was not in my 
>>mind at all. I don't even know what it is/was.
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[Emily Reyn]

Thanks Judy.  I've been misusing the words "than" and "then" - and that's 
pretty obvious a difference.  



>
> From: authfriend 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:56 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
>stooopid"
> 
>
>  
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
>> 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > CORRECTION: Stay away from the innocent purity of Ann's
>> > > husband & I
>> > 
>> > You had the pronoun ("me") right the first time, my friend.
>> 
>> Damn I thought I had the formula on the usage of "me" vs "I"
>> nailed -  oh well, you got me there :-)
>
>Lots of native English speakers get it wrong too. I only
>mentioned it because you called it a "correction," so I
>figured you really wanted it to be right.
>
>If the pronoun is part of a prepositional phrase, it has
>to be "me." You wouldn't say "the innocent purity of I."
>
>> > > you creepy, evil Sorcerer from Iowa.
>> > > 
>> > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Stay away from me and Ann's hubby - you creepy, evil
>> > > > Sorcerer from Iowa.
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Ravi Chivukula]

We have gone way past a simple sorry Share. You need to take 2 healing
sessions and one session with your pastoral counselor within the next week,
the first healing session must take place within the next 48 hours. At
least one of them should be John Newton approved. Please scan all receipts
and proof of attendance and upload it to the files section.  I appoint LG,
Oxcart and myself to review these, once approved your apologies will be
accepted. Thanks Share.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
> *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or
> "reeely to Xeno
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I
> meant.  Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about something
> Emily attributed to me yesterday.
> > Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?
>
> I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.
>
> 1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'
>
> But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some
> kind of context.
>
> 2. 'let alone express it.'
>
> To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even
> if you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the
> word is typically used. And you must also know something of what the word
> means, and suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting
> it would require you to define it so you would be understood. This is not a
> serious post by me. I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to be
> away - and did not feel like some serious discussion. So, I was not even
> bringing up the subject of whatever the discussion was, which was why it
> was snipped. I do believe I know what you intended by the remark, but I was
> having fun with it. Do not take me seriously here. Your situation with
> Emily was not in my mind at all. I don't even know what it is/was.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to seekliberation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:

> You know, I get irritated at some of the recent attacks on 
> Christmas and what appears to be a movement in America to
> remove any trace of Christianity from our lives.

Oh, please, there is no such movement. That's a ridiculous
right-wing meme. You could say there's a movement to reduce
the role of religions generally in our public life, in
accordance with the Constitution; and because Christianity
is the dominant religion in the country, that means the
movement more often targets Christianity than other religions.

But *nothing* that's been done or proposed in this regard
has a thing to do with reducing, let alone eliminating,
the role played by Christianity or any other religion in
anyone's private life. That remains inviolable.

As to the notion of "attacks" on Christmas, have a look at
this op-ed piece:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/the-puritan-war-on-christmas.html

As the piece points out, the "war on Christmas" is our oldest
Christmas tradition in this country, one begun and sustained
by the very most devout of Christians.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > CORRECTION: Stay away from the innocent purity of Ann's
> > > husband & I
> > 
> > You had the pronoun ("me") right the first time, my friend.
> 
> Damn I thought I had the formula on the usage of "me" vs "I"
> nailed -  oh well, you got me there :-)

Lots of native English speakers get it wrong too. I only
mentioned it because you called it a "correction," so I
figured you really wanted it to be right.

If the pronoun is part of a prepositional phrase, it has
to be "me." You wouldn't say "the innocent purity of I."




> > > you creepy, evil Sorcerer from Iowa.
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Stay away from me and Ann's hubby - you creepy, evil
> > > > Sorcerer from Iowa.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[oxcart49]

:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > 
> > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> 
> Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> 
> (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Tomorrow is Barry Wright's Birthday

[Rick Archer]

I think. Bake him a cake, Judy.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass

[doctordumbass]

Wow - meaty question! I must run off now and drive my daughter up to SF, but I 
love this question and will give it due diligence when I return. PS some a-hole 
named Jim over on BatGap wrote something about the relationships of different 
states, just this morning. Have a look? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity 
> Consciousness and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that 
> for Unity to be developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC 
> is irreverasble ?
>

[FairfieldLife] So much magnificence at the ocean

[emilymae.reyn]

My daughter's yoga class listens to this.  So sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk-bCI8cZR4
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] We want you but don't need to tell you 'cause we don't need no stincking warrant

[Bhairitu]

On 12/17/2012 08:40 AM, emptybill wrote:
> Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store
> Dossiers on Innocent Americans
>
>  * By Kim Zetter 
> , Wired Magazine
>  * 12.13.12
>
> Attorney General Eric Holder.
>
> In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from
> lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National
> Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S.
> citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news
> report.
>
> Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the
> ability to copy entire government databases holding information on
> flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting
> foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five
> years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed
> a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal
>  06.html> , which broke the story.
>
> Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data
> compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist
> activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new
> powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast
> databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for
> suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could
> launch an investigation.
>
> The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing
> information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments
> for their own analysis.
>
> A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new
> changes were "breathtaking in scope."
>
> But counterterrorism officials tried to downplay the move by telling the
> Journal that the changes come with strict guidelines about how the data
> can be used.
>
> "The guidelines provide rigorous oversight to protect the
> information that we have, for authorized and narrow purposes,"
> Alexander Joel, Civil Liberties Protection Officer for the Office of the
> Director of National Intelligence, told the paper.
>
> The NCTC currently maintains the Terrorist Identities Datamart
> Environment database, or TIDE, which holds data on more than 500,000
> identities suspected of terror activity or terrorism links, including
> friends and families of suspects, and is the basis for the FBI's
> terrorist watchlist.
>
> Under the new rules issued in March, the NCTC can now obtain almost any
> other government database that it claims is "reasonably
> believed" to contain "terrorism information." This could
> conceivably include collections of financial forms submitted by people
> seeking federally backed mortgages or even the health records of anyone
> who sought mental or physical treatment at government-run hospitals,
> such as Veterans Administration facilities, the paper notes.
>
> The Obama administration's new rules come after previous
> surveillance proposals were struck down during the Bush administration,
> following widespread condemnation.
>
> In 2002, the Pentagon's Total Information Awareness program proposed
> to scrutinize both government and private databases, but public outrage
> killed the program in essence, though not in spirit. Although Congress
> de-funded the program in 2003, the NSA continued to collect and sift
> through immense amounts of data about who Americans spoke with, where
> they traveled and how they spent their money.
>
> The Federal Privacy Act prohibits government agencies from sharing data
> for any purpose other than the reason for which the data was initially
> collected, in order to prevent the creation of dossiers, but agencies
> can do an end-run around this restriction by posting a notice in the
> Federal Register, providing justification for the data request. Such
> notices are rarely seen or contested, however.
>
> The changes to the rules for the NCTC were sought in large part after
> authorities failed to catch Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab before he boarded
> a plane on Christmas Day in 2009 with explosives sewn into his
> underwear. Abdulmutallab wasn't on the FBI watchlist, but the NCTC
> had received tips about him, and yet failed to search other government
> databases to connect dots that might have helped prevent him from
> boarding the plane.
>
> As the NCTC tried to remedy that situation for later suspects, legal
> obstacles emerged, the Journal reports, since the center was only
> allowed to query federal databases for a specific name or a specific
> passenger list. "They couldn't look through the databases
> trolling for general `patterns,'" the paper notes.
>
> But the request to expand the center's powers led to a heated debate
> at the White House and the Department of Homeland Security, with Mary
> Ellen Callahan, then-chief pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[Bhairitu]

Once the chakras are open they're open.  You've been rewired.  Anyone 
who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not 
enlightened in the first place.

On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote:
> Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind 
> if I attempt to answer this.  First of all Maharishi has explained that with 
> practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously.  And 
> I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three 
> days.  It was a gov who labeled it such.
>
> Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once 
> this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not 
> take on any more stress.  Lines on air.  So yes, I'd say real CC is 
> irreversible.  I think a person can have Unity experiences.  I know someone 
> who is having Brahman experiences these days.  But he's realized it's not 
> stabilized Brahman.
>
> Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some 
> really useful feedback.
>
>
> 
>   From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:30 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for DrDumbass
>   
>
>
> In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity 
> Consciousness and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that 
> for Unity to be developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC 
> is irreverasble ?
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[Richard J. Williams]

emptybill:
> Here you are, screeching like an obsessive old lady
> with nothing better to do.  Is this what your balls 
> are for ... or do you just make this stuff up 'cause 
> you can't think of anything informative to say?
> 
Some people just feel better when they have someone
to talk to. LoL!

> > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > >
> > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > Leave Ann's hubby out of this you paranoid, 
> > delusional, narcissistic asshole !!!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to seekliberation

[Share Long]

Ok, some more jyotish tidbits:  I've heard that Jupiter or Venus in the 9th 
takes care of all problems in the chart.  BTW, the FFL chart has Venus in the 
9th in Cancer.

Of course for us Ketu in the first means Rahu in the 7th which would probably 
mean first marriage ends in divorce.  And mine did!  But actually my Rahu is 
good in marriage sub chart so it might have been hubby's kuja dosha.  He had 
Mars in first, major kuja dosha.

Yeah, religion's a mixed bag for sure.  Maybe was more useful for other times 
and places.  Also there's the idea that the flame burns brightest right before 
it goes out.  Which means in this context, that maybe the religions get most 
fierce right before they morph completely or die out forever.



 From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to 
seekliberation
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> me too, seekliberation, 3 planets in the 9th, Sun, Merc, Venus with Merc and 
> Venus being exactly conjunct.  Merc is ruler of 9th and 12th and Venus is 
> ruler of 8th and 1st.  Ketu is in the first.

You have ketu in the first, and 3 planets in the 9th?  We're nearly identical.  
I have Ketu in the 1st, with Saturn, and Sun/Me/Jup in the 9th.  Ketu in the 
first is kind of difficult (in a material sense) but great for spirituality.

> One thing I've heard about all this is that people with a strong Sun and or 
> strong 9th house tend to be their own guru.  I think this is true.
> Another thing I've heard is that actually the soul as if chooses the birth 
> chart etc for maximum evolution.  This also resonates as true to me.  
> 
> Some Latter Day Saints once came knocking at the front door.  I warned them 
> about my being a TMer.  They glanced at each other nervously and asked if I 
> knew that the Bible says that TM is the work of the devil.  Eventually I had 
> to explain to them that though I didn't know for sure, what I had experienced 
> was enough for me to take a chance that I was on the right track for me.  
> They said goodbye (-:

You know, I get irritated at some of the recent attacks on Christmas and what 
appears to be a movement in America to remove any trace of Christianity from 
our lives.  But when I hear stories like thisI lose sympathy for 
Christians.  The simple-mindedness of Christianity, IMO, has been very 
detrimental to spirituality for the past few centuries.  Islam, IMO takes the 
gold medal though. 

seekliberation

> 
> 
>  From: seekliberation 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > Either we're talking past each other or you don't read what is written 
> > properly. I was mentioning 500 years as an example of how long you could 
> > linger on the other side WITHOUT a body and thus without the possebility to 
> > think your mantra. That's quite a long time though probably above average. 
> > And that's why there should be a certain ugency in this matter since noone 
> > really knows for sure how long it will take to be back in a body and be 
> > able to resume Sadhana.
> 
> I had a longer reply written, then erased it allit's futile.  You're 
> convinced you're in direct control of your spirituality, while I think that 
> divinity has a plan for us all in the midst of our individual efforts.  When 
> I studied astrology, this is explained in terms of the difference between the 
> 8th and 9th house.  They both result in people being spiritual, but the 8th 
> house leans more towards spirituality, while 9th house leans more towards 
> religion.  The 8th house indicates spiritual development through one's own 
> initiative, while the 9th house more so through revelation.  An example of an 
> 8th house type of person would be Sanjaya in the Bhagavad Gita, someone who 
> is psychic and achieves spiritual realizations through his own efforts.  Then 
> you have Arjuna, who has no significant or indicated spiritual practice, but 
> has reality revealed directly to him directly by God.  In other words, 
> individual effort vs revelation. 
> 
> However, i've heard that the 12th house is the only one that really gets us 
> out of this cycle of birth and death, and it also has a slightly different 
> approach to the subject of spirituality.  Ketu, is also imperative in terms 
> of its placement in the chart for enlightenment.  Given the fact that we 
> don't have absolute control over the position of the planets at the time of 
> birth, that's enough for me to look at meditation and spirituality as 
> something I do because its my nature, not because I think i'm going to save 
> the world or my own sould if I just 'hurry up' or 'try

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to seekliberation

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> me too, seekliberation, 3 planets in the 9th, Sun, Merc, Venus with Merc and 
> Venus being exactly conjunct.  Merc is ruler of 9th and 12th and Venus is 
> ruler of 8th and 1st.  Ketu is in the first.

You have ketu in the first, and 3 planets in the 9th?  We're nearly identical.  
I have Ketu in the 1st, with Saturn, and Sun/Me/Jup in the 9th.  Ketu in the 
first is kind of difficult (in a material sense) but great for spirituality.
 
> One thing I've heard about all this is that people with a strong Sun and or 
> strong 9th house tend to be their own guru.  I think this is true.
> Another thing I've heard is that actually the soul as if chooses the birth 
> chart etc for maximum evolution.  This also resonates as true to me.  
> 
> Some Latter Day Saints once came knocking at the front door.  I warned them 
> about my being a TMer.  They glanced at each other nervously and asked if I 
> knew that the Bible says that TM is the work of the devil.  Eventually I had 
> to explain to them that though I didn't know for sure, what I had experienced 
> was enough for me to take a chance that I was on the right track for me.  
> They said goodbye (-:

You know, I get irritated at some of the recent attacks on Christmas and what 
appears to be a movement in America to remove any trace of Christianity from 
our lives.  But when I hear stories like thisI lose sympathy for 
Christians.  The simple-mindedness of Christianity, IMO, has been very 
detrimental to spirituality for the past few centuries.  Islam, IMO takes the 
gold medal though.  

seekliberation

 
> 
> 
>  From: seekliberation 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > Either we're talking past each other or you don't read what is written 
> > properly. I was mentioning 500 years as an example of how long you could 
> > linger on the other side WITHOUT a body and thus without the possebility to 
> > think your mantra. That's quite a long time though probably above average. 
> > And that's why there should be a certain ugency in this matter since noone 
> > really knows for sure how long it will take to be back in a body and be 
> > able to resume Sadhana.
> 
> I had a longer reply written, then erased it allit's futile.  You're 
> convinced you're in direct control of your spirituality, while I think that 
> divinity has a plan for us all in the midst of our individual efforts.  When 
> I studied astrology, this is explained in terms of the difference between the 
> 8th and 9th house.  They both result in people being spiritual, but the 8th 
> house leans more towards spirituality, while 9th house leans more towards 
> religion.  The 8th house indicates spiritual development through one's own 
> initiative, while the 9th house more so through revelation.  An example of an 
> 8th house type of person would be Sanjaya in the Bhagavad Gita, someone who 
> is psychic and achieves spiritual realizations through his own efforts.  Then 
> you have Arjuna, who has no significant or indicated spiritual practice, but 
> has reality revealed directly to him directly by God.  In other words, 
> individual effort vs revelation. 
> 
> However, i've heard that the 12th house is the only one that really gets us 
> out of this cycle of birth and death, and it also has a slightly different 
> approach to the subject of spirituality.  Ketu, is also imperative in terms 
> of its placement in the chart for enlightenment.  Given the fact that we 
> don't have absolute control over the position of the planets at the time of 
> birth, that's enough for me to look at meditation and spirituality as 
> something I do because its my nature, not because I think i'm going to save 
> the world or my own sould if I just 'hurry up' or 'try harder'.  But then 
> again, I have 3 planets in the 9th house, and only 1 in the 8th, so that's 
> probably why I lean that way, not because it's the absolute truth...which I 
> also can't say I really know.
> 
> seekliberation
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[Robin Carlsen]

"If I were a man I would want to be me".

Ann likes the person that she is. Her femaleness does not deprive her of the 
imagination to conceive of herself as a man--and yet in thinking of what kind 
of man she would like to be, she realizes she possesses the specific attributes 
which, for her, would be almost ideal in having to be a man. There is no 
limitation imposed upon herself as a woman; but there is the recognition *as a 
person* she encompasses--or could encompass, based upon her personal 
ingredients--the form of herself imagined as a man.

It is also a kind of private in-joke between Ann and all those who know her: 
Ann has a large enough personality to make it an unnatural act to defer--just 
based on her femininity--to any man. Ann holds within her person, then, the 
possibility of transmuting what she is, into the form of a man--which says what 
a powerful woman she is--and yet how her very person would constitute the basis 
for being a man she would respect and love.

She can see herself as being a beautiful man.

Now, that's some woman.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > > > 
> > > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > > 
> > > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> > > 
> > > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> > > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> > > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> > 
> > Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> > at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
> > usual drama queenery and faux outrage.
> 
> As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> 
> As if the smiley face would make any difference.
> 
> Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
> comeback.
> 
> > What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
> > committed to turning *everything* into an argument
> > as Judy is understood
> 
> No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
> into an argument.
> 
> > -- is that I cannot imagine 
> > anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
> > with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
> > sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
> > narcissism that would be tough to cope with.
> 
> And of course that isn't what Ann said, nor what she
> meant. What an insane interpretation.
> 
> > Relationships are all about the *differences* between
> > people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
> > and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
> > to be with a clone of themselves? 
> 
> Nobody would want that. Including Ann. Read what she
> wrote again, you demented dimwit:
> 
> "And if Share were a man she wants to be Steve. If I
> were a man I'd want to be me."
> 
> Nothing to do with a *relationship*. It's only your
> twisted mind that would make this into, "My ideal man
> would be just like me."
> 
> > I'm just suggesting 
> > that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
> > telling.
> 
> What's telling, Barry, is the deterioration of your
> mental faculties exemplified by this post.
> 
> And note that you've managed to bust your faux outrage
> about my not quoting your smiley face. You never meant
> your remark to be anything but a nasty putdown of Ann.
> 
> > Judy's? That just more of her normal nastiness and Yet 
> > Another Attempt to get everybody arguing, and thus to 
> > drag things down to her level.
> 
> There's no argument here, Barry. *You* tried to start
> one, but you just made yourself look RLY
> RLY STPID.
> 
> Now go sit in the corner.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: John Kerry To Be Secretary of State to John

[John]

Share,

I have the birthdata.  But the birth time is considered questionable by the 
databank.  I'll take a look at the chart and let you know what it says.

JR



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hi John, is there a jyotish chart for Kerry and if so, any interesting 
> indications.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:24 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] John Kerry To Be Secretary of State
>  
> 
>   
> According to the latest news. He's going to take a very demanding job that 
> requires diplomacy and travel.
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/john-kerry-secretary-of-state_n_2306877.html
>

[FairfieldLife] We want you but don't need to tell you 'cause we don't need no stincking warrant

[emptybill]

Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store
Dossiers on Innocent Americans

* By Kim Zetter 
, Wired Magazine
* 12.13.12

Attorney General Eric Holder.

In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from
lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National
Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S.
citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news
report.

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the
ability to copy entire government databases holding information on
flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting
foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five
years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed
a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal
 , which broke the story.

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data
compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist
activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new
powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast
databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for
suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could
launch an investigation.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing
information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments
for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new
changes were "breathtaking in scope."

But counterterrorism officials tried to downplay the move by telling the
Journal that the changes come with strict guidelines about how the data
can be used.

"The guidelines provide rigorous oversight to protect the
information that we have, for authorized and narrow purposes,"
Alexander Joel, Civil Liberties Protection Officer for the Office of the
Director of National Intelligence, told the paper.

The NCTC currently maintains the Terrorist Identities Datamart
Environment database, or TIDE, which holds data on more than 500,000
identities suspected of terror activity or terrorism links, including
friends and families of suspects, and is the basis for the FBI's
terrorist watchlist.

Under the new rules issued in March, the NCTC can now obtain almost any
other government database that it claims is "reasonably
believed" to contain "terrorism information." This could
conceivably include collections of financial forms submitted by people
seeking federally backed mortgages or even the health records of anyone
who sought mental or physical treatment at government-run hospitals,
such as Veterans Administration facilities, the paper notes.

The Obama administration's new rules come after previous
surveillance proposals were struck down during the Bush administration,
following widespread condemnation.

In 2002, the Pentagon's Total Information Awareness program proposed
to scrutinize both government and private databases, but public outrage
killed the program in essence, though not in spirit. Although Congress
de-funded the program in 2003, the NSA continued to collect and sift
through immense amounts of data about who Americans spoke with, where
they traveled and how they spent their money.

The Federal Privacy Act prohibits government agencies from sharing data
for any purpose other than the reason for which the data was initially
collected, in order to prevent the creation of dossiers, but agencies
can do an end-run around this restriction by posting a notice in the
Federal Register, providing justification for the data request. Such
notices are rarely seen or contested, however.

The changes to the rules for the NCTC were sought in large part after
authorities failed to catch Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab before he boarded
a plane on Christmas Day in 2009 with explosives sewn into his
underwear. Abdulmutallab wasn't on the FBI watchlist, but the NCTC
had received tips about him, and yet failed to search other government
databases to connect dots that might have helped prevent him from
boarding the plane.

As the NCTC tried to remedy that situation for later suspects, legal
obstacles emerged, the Journal reports, since the center was only
allowed to query federal databases for a specific name or a specific
passenger list. "They couldn't look through the databases
trolling for general `patterns,'" the paper notes.

But the request to expand the center's powers led to a heated debate
at the White House and the Department of Homeland Security, with Mary
Ellen Callahan, then-chief privacy officer for the Department of
Homeland Security, leading the charge to defend civil liberties.
Callahan argued that the new rules represented a "sea change"
and that every interaction a citizen would have with the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[emilymae.reyn]

Dear Merudanda, wonderful clips.  I particularly liked the one on Anger and the 
Artist. 

"The function of art is to renew our perception. What we are familiar with we 
cease to see. The writer shakes up the familiar scene, and, as if by magic, we 
see a new meaning in it."—Anaïs Nin


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> Dear Madame E cannot write it better than Nin:
> "Each friend represents a world in us, a world possibly not born
> until they arrive, and it is only by this meeting that a new world is
> born."
> .. found that rare clips may be of interest(?)
> Anais Nin on Anger and the Artist  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu9epVEULZM
> 
> Henry Miller & Anaïs Nin on Death and Dreams
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJHmzWDgG-c
> 
> "the neurotic man is the man of the future he continues ...a man should
> not adapt to this world because its a bad world. "
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
> >
> >
> > "leave out the poetry" Goethes Faust and A.Nin--both outdated?
> >   
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHmwp4JkGk
> > 
> >
> >
> > Faustus reflects on the most rewarding type of scholarship
> >
> > These metaphysics of magicians,
> >
> > And necromantic books are heavenly!
> >
> >
> >
> > He quotes (he is following the dictates of medieval scholarship) the
> > Greek philosopher Aristotle, considers and dismiss logic, medicine
> > (Galen), law(Justinian), divinity, ("[t]he reward of sin is
> > death") but finally fixes his mind on magic, which he believes will
> > make him "a mighty god" his rhetoric outlines the modern quest
> > for control over nature (albeit through magic rather than through
> > science) in glowing, inspiring language. He offers a long list of
> > impressive goals, including the acquisition of knowledge, wealth, and
> > political power, that he believes he will achieve once he has mastered
> > the dark arts Faustus's dreams inspire wonder
> >
> > Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God,
> > And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
> > Am not tormented with ten thousand hells
> > In being deprived of everlasting bliss?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"
> > emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, it's all about the passion and the voices and the melodies for
> me
> > in the end, although I got a kick out that blog I posted.  I once
> heard
> > Faust in English - what a waste of effort to make it more approachable
> > to the masses - couldn't understand it in English either.
> > >
> > > And from Anais Nin for a feminine touch:
> > >
> > > "Only the united beat of sex and heart together can create ecstasy."
> > > ~Anais Nin
> > >
> > Anaïs Nin wrote the following passionate letter to the "Collector"
> > (she was earning $1 per page writing erotic fiction for the private
> > consumption of this anonymous client,incidentally, some of those
> stories
> > written by Nin were later published in the book, Delta Of Venus.)and
> > made known her frustrations — frustrations that had been caused by
> > his repeated insistence that they "leave out the poetry" and instead
> > "concentrate on sex."
> >
> > "Dear Collector:
> >
> > We hate you. Sex loses all its power and magic when it becomes
> explicit,
> > mechanical, overdone, when it becomes a mechanistic obsession. It
> > becomes a bore. You have taught us more than anyone I know how wrong
> it
> > is not to mix it with emotion, hunger, desire, lust, whims, caprices,
> > personal ties, deeper relationships which change its color, flavor,
> > rhythms, intensities.
> >
> > You do not know what you are missing by your microscopic examination
> of
> > sexual activity to the exclusion of others, which are the fuel that
> > ignites it. Intellectual, imaginative, romantic, emotional. This is
> what
> > gives sex its surprising textures, its subtle transformations, its
> > aphrodisiac elements. You are shrinking your world of sensations. You
> > are withering it, starving it, draining its blood…If you have
> closed
> > your senses around silk, light, color, odor, character, temperament,
> you
> > must by now be completely shriveled up. There are so many minor
> senses,
> > all running like tributaries into the mainstream of sex, nourishing
> it.
> > Only the united beat of sex and heart together can create ecstasy.
> >
> > Anais Nin"
> >
> >
> > And then the day came,
> > when the risk
> > to remain tight
> > in a bud
> > was more painful
> > than the risk
> > it took
> > to Blossom.
> >
> > Anaïs Nin
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Emily,
> > > >
> > > > That's the one I meant to post. Thanks to Judy for alerting me.
> > > > It's a beautiful aria and revealing. Men act so emotionally crude
> > > > at ti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > > 
> > > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> > 
> > Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> > 
> > (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> > hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> > why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)
> 
> Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
> at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
> usual drama queenery and faux outrage.

As Emily would say, A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

As if the smiley face would make any difference.

Barry's having a *really* hard time coughing up a
comeback.

> What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
> committed to turning *everything* into an argument
> as Judy is understood

No, son, I made my point. *You're* trying to turn it
into an argument.

> -- is that I cannot imagine 
> anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
> with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
> sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
> narcissism that would be tough to cope with.

And of course that isn't what Ann said, nor what she
meant. What an insane interpretation.

> Relationships are all about the *differences* between
> people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
> and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
> to be with a clone of themselves? 

Nobody would want that. Including Ann. Read what she
wrote again, you demented dimwit:

"And if Share were a man she wants to be Steve. If I
were a man I'd want to be me."

Nothing to do with a *relationship*. It's only your
twisted mind that would make this into, "My ideal man
would be just like me."

> I'm just suggesting 
> that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
> telling.

What's telling, Barry, is the deterioration of your
mental faculties exemplified by this post.

And note that you've managed to bust your faux outrage
about my not quoting your smiley face. You never meant
your remark to be anything but a nasty putdown of Ann.

> Judy's? That just more of her normal nastiness and Yet 
> Another Attempt to get everybody arguing, and thus to 
> drag things down to her level.

There's no argument here, Barry. *You* tried to start
one, but you just made yourself look RLY
RLY STPID.

Now go sit in the corner.

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss

[Share Long]

Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if 
I attempt to answer this.  First of all Maharishi has explained that with 
practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously.  And 
I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three 
days.  It was a gov who labeled it such.  

Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once 
this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take 
on any more stress.  Lines on air.  So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible.  I 
think a person can have Unity experiences.  I know someone who is having 
Brahman experiences these days.  But he's realized it's not stabilized 
Brahman.  

Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some 
really useful feedback.  



 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for DrDumbass
 

  
In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity Consciousness 
and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that for Unity to be 
developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC is irreverasble ?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cream, whole milk and eggs, and stuff??

[Buck]

Dear Card, this is really terribly interesting science and is proly completely 
relevant to the Invincible America Assembly right now.
Sort of like the results in the public 'school lunch program' it would probably 
improve spiritual experiences in the Dome quite a lot in the meditation if more 
people in there were better nourished and particularly if the the course 
administration would serve some scrambled eggs or real protein along with 
coffee and cream during the mid-morning break.  Evidently it would be very good 
to enforce a better diet to have a much healthier group of meditators,  
"..Clean your plate or no stipend today!".  The Science says so.

Ever watchful to improve the spiritual experience of everyone in the large 
group program, 
-Buck, First De Facto Public Health Officer of the Age of Enlightenment up to 
now and Heaven on Earth after 12.21.2012 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=6665
> 
> Micheal Cook · Top Commenter
> Throughout our history a healthy diet was one which was based mainly on foods 
> of animal origin and high in fats. Where the major health problems occured in 
> Britain, it was not among people who ate a lot of fat, but in those who did 
> not get enough.The comparatively wealthy, who ate meat and dairy produce 
> regularly, had average lifespans which were comparable with or better than 
> those of today. It was the poor who could not afford such foods who suffered 
> high levels of infant mortality, poor growth and shorter, less healthy lives.
> 
> In the 1920's, Sir John Boyd Orr conducted a number of studies which compared 
> growth rates of children in public schools with those in state run schools. 
> He found that those from wealthier backgrounds were significantly taller than 
> their poorer peers. After examining their relative diets and changing
> the constituents, Boyd Orr proved conclusively that children of the socially 
> deprived, who lived on a largely carbohydrate diet of bread and potatoes, 
> benefitted from a diet supplemented with full-cream milk.
> 
> Boyd Orr's studies found confirmation in observations among the people's of 
> India made by Sir Robert McCarrison, a colonial medical officer. He compared 
> the southern Indians, who ate very little in the way of dairy produce and who 
> were of stunted growth and prone to disease, with their neighbours to the 
> north, the Sikhs, who drank a great deal of milk and were fit and healthy. 
> Maasai, who lived almost exclusively on blood and milk, with their unhealthy 
> vegetarian neighbours, the Kikuyu. That added to the weight of evidence.
> 
> Boyd Orr concluded that the food intake of half the British population was 
> seriously deficient in a number of what he called 'protective constitiuents' 
> which were necessary for good health. In the late 1930's he proposed that the 
> British people should drink more milk, and eat more dairy produce and meat. 
> The British government of the time recommended that milk consumption should 
> be doubled and introduced free school milk. The British Medical Association, 
> giving specific amounts, advised that the population should consume 80% more 
> milk, 55% more eggs, 40% more butter and 30% more meat. Later, with the 
> advent of television advertising, the government sponsored its own 'go to 
> work on an egg' campaign.
> 
> Except for the period of food rationing during the 1940s and early 1950s, 
> Boyd Orr's recommended diet was the standard British fare. We ate breakfast 
> of eggs and fatty bacon fried in lard: dripping, the fat from the sunday 
> roast, was saved to have on bread and toast: we drank full cream milk and ate 
> butter. Only the poor ate margarine: and only the poor had high levels of 
> disease. The recommendations to eat a relatively high-fat, high-animal 
> protein diet led to a spectacular decrease in diseases: rickets, called the 
> 'English Disease' because it was so widespread together with other defeciency 
> diseases, largely disappeared from our lives: child deaths from diptheria, 
> measles, scarlet fever and whooping cough also fell dramatically well before 
> the introduction of anti-biotics and widespread immunisation. Although other 
> factors helped, most important was the higher resistance of children to 
> disease that followed from better nutrition. That dietary advice, given to 
> the people of Britain in 1938 remained the basis of our diet for nearly 
> 50years, during which time our mean life expectancy increased from 60 years 
> in 1930 to 70years by 1960 and by 1990 it had reached 75years. ( From the 
> book 'Natural health and weight loss' by a Barry Groves.)
> 
> Since the 1980s there has been a reversal of all that went before in the 
> previous 50 years. No fat, low fat, meat consumption has been drastically cut 
> from our diet, as has eggs, full cream milk, all on the advice of the modern 
> day 'health gurus' 'nutirionists' and tv health 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect to seekliberation

[Share Long]

me too, seekliberation, 3 planets in the 9th, Sun, Merc, Venus with Merc and 
Venus being exactly conjunct.  Merc is ruler of 9th and 12th and Venus is ruler 
of 8th and 1st.  Ketu is in the first.

One thing I've heard about all this is that people with a strong Sun and or 
strong 9th house tend to be their own guru.  I think this is true.
Another thing I've heard is that actually the soul as if chooses the birth 
chart etc for maximum evolution.  This also resonates as true to me.  

Some Latter Day Saints once came knocking at the front door.  I warned them 
about my being a TMer.  They glanced at each other nervously and asked if I 
knew that the Bible says that TM is the work of the devil.  Eventually I had to 
explain to them that though I didn't know for sure, what I had experienced was 
enough for me to take a chance that I was on the right track for me.  They said 
goodbye (-:




 From: seekliberation 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> Either we're talking past each other or you don't read what is written 
> properly. I was mentioning 500 years as an example of how long you could 
> linger on the other side WITHOUT a body and thus without the possebility to 
> think your mantra. That's quite a long time though probably above average. 
> And that's why there should be a certain ugency in this matter since noone 
> really knows for sure how long it will take to be back in a body and be able 
> to resume Sadhana.

I had a longer reply written, then erased it allit's futile.  You're 
convinced you're in direct control of your spirituality, while I think that 
divinity has a plan for us all in the midst of our individual efforts.  When I 
studied astrology, this is explained in terms of the difference between the 8th 
and 9th house.  They both result in people being spiritual, but the 8th house 
leans more towards spirituality, while 9th house leans more towards religion.  
The 8th house indicates spiritual development through one's own initiative, 
while the 9th house more so through revelation.  An example of an 8th house 
type of person would be Sanjaya in the Bhagavad Gita, someone who is psychic 
and achieves spiritual realizations through his own efforts.  Then you have 
Arjuna, who has no significant or indicated spiritual practice, but has reality 
revealed directly to him directly by God.  In other words, individual effort vs 
revelation. 

However, i've heard that the 12th house is the only one that really gets us out 
of this cycle of birth and death, and it also has a slightly different approach 
to the subject of spirituality.  Ketu, is also imperative in terms of its 
placement in the chart for enlightenment.  Given the fact that we don't have 
absolute control over the position of the planets at the time of birth, that's 
enough for me to look at meditation and spirituality as something I do because 
its my nature, not because I think i'm going to save the world or my own sould 
if I just 'hurry up' or 'try harder'.  But then again, I have 3 planets in the 
9th house, and only 1 in the 8th, so that's probably why I lean that way, not 
because it's the absolute truth...which I also can't say I really know.

seekliberation


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] John Kerry To Be Secretary of State to John

[Share Long]

Hi John, is there a jyotish chart for Kerry and if so, any interesting 
indications.  




 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] John Kerry To Be Secretary of State
 

  
According to the latest news. He's going to take a very demanding job that 
requires diplomacy and travel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/john-kerry-secretary-of-state_n_2306877.html


 

[FairfieldLife] Cream, whole milk and eggs, and stuff??

[card]

http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=6665

Micheal Cook · Top Commenter
Throughout our history a healthy diet was one which was based mainly on foods 
of animal origin and high in fats. Where the major health problems occured in 
Britain, it was not among people who ate a lot of fat, but in those who did not 
get enough.The comparatively wealthy, who ate meat and dairy produce regularly, 
had average lifespans which were comparable with or better than those of today. 
It was the poor who could not afford such foods who suffered high levels of 
infant mortality, poor growth and shorter, less healthy lives.

In the 1920's, Sir John Boyd Orr conducted a number of studies which compared 
growth rates of children in public schools with those in state run schools. He 
found that those from wealthier backgrounds were significantly taller than 
their poorer peers. After examining their relative diets and changing
the constituents, Boyd Orr proved conclusively that children of the socially 
deprived, who lived on a largely carbohydrate diet of bread and potatoes, 
benefitted from a diet supplemented with full-cream milk.

Boyd Orr's studies found confirmation in observations among the people's of 
India made by Sir Robert McCarrison, a colonial medical officer. He compared 
the southern Indians, who ate very little in the way of dairy produce and who 
were of stunted growth and prone to disease, with their neighbours to the 
north, the Sikhs, who drank a great deal of milk and were fit and healthy. 
Maasai, who lived almost exclusively on blood and milk, with their unhealthy 
vegetarian neighbours, the Kikuyu. That added to the weight of evidence.

Boyd Orr concluded that the food intake of half the British population was 
seriously deficient in a number of what he called 'protective constitiuents' 
which were necessary for good health. In the late 1930's he proposed that the 
British people should drink more milk, and eat more dairy produce and meat. The 
British government of the time recommended that milk consumption should be 
doubled and introduced free school milk. The British Medical Association, 
giving specific amounts, advised that the population should consume 80% more 
milk, 55% more eggs, 40% more butter and 30% more meat. Later, with the advent 
of television advertising, the government sponsored its own 'go to work on an 
egg' campaign.

Except for the period of food rationing during the 1940s and early 1950s, Boyd 
Orr's recommended diet was the standard British fare. We ate breakfast of eggs 
and fatty bacon fried in lard: dripping, the fat from the sunday roast, was 
saved to have on bread and toast: we drank full cream milk and ate butter. Only 
the poor ate margarine: and only the poor had high levels of disease. The 
recommendations to eat a relatively high-fat, high-animal protein diet led to a 
spectacular decrease in diseases: rickets, called the 'English Disease' because 
it was so widespread together with other defeciency diseases, largely 
disappeared from our lives: child deaths from diptheria, measles, scarlet fever 
and whooping cough also fell dramatically well before the introduction of 
anti-biotics and widespread immunisation. Although other factors helped, most 
important was the higher resistance of children to disease that followed from 
better nutrition. That dietary advice, given to the people of Britain in 1938 
remained the basis of our diet for nearly 50years, during which time our mean 
life expectancy increased from 60 years in 1930 to 70years by 1960 and by 1990 
it had reached 75years. ( From the book 'Natural health and weight loss' by a 
Barry Groves.)

Since the 1980s there has been a reversal of all that went before in the 
previous 50 years. No fat, low fat, meat consumption has been drastically cut 
from our diet, as has eggs, full cream milk, all on the advice of the modern 
day 'health gurus' 'nutirionists' and tv health pundits who are indoctrinating 
people into eating the most toxic and poisonous foods ever contrived. As one 
man said, the masses prefer to eat preserved, polished, purified, canned foods, 
that one way or another are dessicated by chemicals, by heating, by freezing 
and thawing, by oxidization and decomposition, by milling and polishing, man 
applies the principles of his"civilization," which is the elimination of the 
old primitive civilizations natural way of eating and the substitution of it 
with the artificial. By so doing he turns a once natural and wholesome food 
into a "dead" mass of nutritional sewage. the consequence of which is the 
sickest society that the world has ever seen and getting sicker.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[feste37]

Loved it! Now tell me, is there any way a sense of humor might be implanted in 
authfriend, even at this late stage in her life? Is it possible? Has anyone 
ever had a humor implant?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I think we should mention Ann's hubby in
> > > > > > > > > every post from now on. I for one would like to know what
> > > > > > > > > peculiar magic he  possessed that enabled him to saddle up
> > > > > > > > > that spirited filly and ride her off into the sunset.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yeesh. Although I'm in full sympathy with the sentiment, I
> > > > > > > > can't help pointing out what an incredibly sexist metaphor
> > > > > > > > you've used to express it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Unlike you, Ann had no objection to it. In fact, she picked
> > > > > > > it up and ran with it. Lighten up, authfriend!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's a sexist metaphor regardless of whether Ann objected
> > > > > > to it. She was responding graciously to the compliment and
> > > > > > ignoring the sexism. 
> > > 
> > > You read it right. I agree with what you say here, completely.
> > > 
> > > >>>Since the compliment wasn't directed
> > > > > > at me, I have no need to be gracious and can call it as I
> > > > > > see it, see? Don't be such a pompous ass. You could have
> > > > > > said, "Yes, I guess it was, sorry about that!" and have
> > > > > > come out smelling like a rose.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sorry about it at all. I like it. I chose it
> > > > > deliberately, with a little bit of a smile. What you are
> > > > > doing here is what you do so often -- getting offended on
> > > > > behalf of someone who is not the least bit offended.
> > > > 
> > > > Let me say it another way: That Ann did not express offense
> > > > does NOT mean that the metaphor wasn't sexist, or that sexism
> > > > isn't offensive. I wasn't offended on Ann's behalf; she gets
> > > > to decide whether she was offended by your sexism. 
> > > 
> > > Correct, and I thought I might be for just a moment or two but the 
> > > unexpected nature of Feste's post after many weeks of not interacting 
> > > with him was pleasant in spite of the sexist overtone. I figured I could 
> > > let it go and focus on a different aspect of what he was saying although 
> > > I considered addressing the fact that he used a metaphor that implied 
> > > some man had "broken" the spirited filly and rode her off after 
> > > dominating and taming her.
> > > And since I know that that is not actually the case I can ignore it and 
> > > just let it go - this time. Now I can think of others who I might not be 
> > > so forgiving of...
> > 
> > Actually, it was the case. That was exactly what the metaphor implied. I 
> > was completely aware of it. If the witch wants to call it sexist, I don't 
> > care. I was having fun. Lighten up, girls!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt0_oPPK6eA
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > But Judy, I love you for what you wrote; you are still the dominant 
> > > lioness here and let no one forget it. I certainly won't. And lions just 
> > > won't accept a saddle, let alone a bridle.
> > > 
> > > >I get to
> > > > decide whether I find it offensive, not her, and *certainly*
> > > > not you.
> > > > 
> > > > Get it now?
> > > > 
> > > > You've just told us that you enjoy making sexist remarks.
> > > > Now we know something about you we didn't know before.
> > > > Everyone is entitled to decide on their own behalf whether
> > > > they find that cute, or deplorable.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the contrary, I think we should mention Ann's hubby in
> > > > > > > > every post from now on. I for one would like to know what
> > > > > > > > peculiar magic he  possessed that enabled him to saddle up
> > > > > > > > that spirited filly and ride her off into the sunset.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yeesh. Although I'm in full sympathy with the sentiment, I
> > > > > > > can't help pointing out what an incredibly sexist metaphor
> > > > > > > you've used to express it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Unlike you, Ann had no objection to it. In fact, she picked
> > > > > > it up and ran with it. Lighten up, authfriend!
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's a sexist metaphor regardless of whether Ann objected
> > > > > to it. She was responding graciously to the compliment and
> > > > > ignoring the sexism. 
> > 
> > You read it right. I agree with what you say here, completely.
> > 
> > >>>Since the compliment wasn't directed
> > > > > at me, I have no need to be gracious and can call it as I
> > > > > see it, see? Don't be such a pompous ass. You could have
> > > > > said, "Yes, I guess it was, sorry about that!" and have
> > > > > come out smelling like a rose.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sorry about it at all. I like it. I chose it
> > > > deliberately, with a little bit of a smile. What you are
> > > > doing here is what you do so often -- getting offended on
> > > > behalf of someone who is not the least bit offended.
> > > 
> > > Let me say it another way: That Ann did not express offense
> > > does NOT mean that the metaphor wasn't sexist, or that sexism
> > > isn't offensive. I wasn't offended on Ann's behalf; she gets
> > > to decide whether she was offended by your sexism. 
> > 
> > Correct, and I thought I might be for just a moment or two but the 
> > unexpected nature of Feste's post after many weeks of not interacting with 
> > him was pleasant in spite of the sexist overtone. I figured I could let it 
> > go and focus on a different aspect of what he was saying although I 
> > considered addressing the fact that he used a metaphor that implied some 
> > man had "broken" the spirited filly and rode her off after dominating and 
> > taming her.
> > And since I know that that is not actually the case I can ignore it and 
> > just let it go - this time. Now I can think of others who I might not be so 
> > forgiving of...
> 
> Actually, it was the case. That was exactly what the metaphor implied. I was 
> completely aware of it. If the witch wants to call it sexist, I don't care. I 
> was having fun. Lighten up, girls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt0_oPPK6eA

> 
> > 
> > But Judy, I love you for what you wrote; you are still the dominant lioness 
> > here and let no one forget it. I certainly won't. And lions just won't 
> > accept a saddle, let alone a bridle.
> > 
> > >I get to
> > > decide whether I find it offensive, not her, and *certainly*
> > > not you.
> > > 
> > > Get it now?
> > > 
> > > You've just told us that you enjoy making sexist remarks.
> > > Now we know something about you we didn't know before.
> > > Everyone is entitled to decide on their own behalf whether
> > > they find that cute, or deplorable.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Richard J. Williams]

seekliberation: 
> I had a longer reply written, then erased it all...
>
"In the traditional Indian view, a building, if it is 
properly conceived, satisfies both a physical and 
metaphysical indigence. It has a twofold function: it 
provides 'commodity, firmness, and delight' so as to 
serve man's psychosomatic, emotional and aesthetic 
needs, and also supra-empirical principles."

ibid. Snodgrass  

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Kerry To Be Secretary of State

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Don't know about this, but W. is known to have said--before
> > he was elected, I believe, but definitely before 9/11--that
> > the way to be a great president was to start a war and win 
> > it, as his father had.
> >
seekliberation:
> GWB was just simply an idiot with narcissistic tendencies...
> 
Maybe so, but because the U.S. and its allies didn't act soon 
enough, or do enough, in Korea, there is now the possibility 
of the use of weapons of mass destruction against us.

Obama didn't win the war in Iraq or in Afghanistan. 

So, now Obama and Kerry want to send troops into Syria to stop 
the use of weapons of mass destruction by the Syrians? 

If GWB was an idiot for going into Iraq, what does that say 
about Obama and Kerry? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > Can't go wrong with Dmitri's voice...a dream come true. Pair
> > that with Ann's husband's qualities and I might consider
> > marriage one day. Kidding! I looked up the story of Don
> > Giovanni - oh my. Here is a cute blurb on a canadian opera
> > singer's thoughts while trying to learn the Batti batti aria:
> > 
> > http://deadwildroses.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/mozart-don-giovanni-k-527-zerlinas-batti-batti-aria/
> 
> I loved this! Great find.
> 
> It's such a pretty aria musically, it's a shock when you
> first see a translation of the lyrics.

Agreed. Now there's a guy who knows how to tame a filly!


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > I grew up with opera and classical, but I didn't care for most of it as no 
> > one else I knew was forced to listen to it.  My grandparents had season 
> > tickets forever to the symphony, to the opera, to the ballet.  I had 
> > little TV before 12 and none after for many years.  I was a huge book 
> > reader.  No real exposure to pop culture until Pop got us a radio of our 
> > own as he was walking out the door when we hit our teen years.  I craved 
> > pop culture; I wanted to relate.  With all that crosses FFL, I feel that 
> > I've caught up on pop culture and now this...coming full circle I am and I 
> > am so delighted I can appreciate opera and classical now.  Ha hatime 
> > for a glass of ginger ale.  I'm getting all mushy and don't want to make 
> > myself ill with all this gratitude talk.    
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > From: emptybill 
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:47 PM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] The seduction of the beautiful
> > > 
> > >
> > >  
> > >Ladies â€" You just wish you
> > could be seduced like this:
> > >Don Giovanni â€" La ci darem la
> > mano
> > >Sung byDmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZHwbxLBO0
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Kerry To Be Secretary of State

[Richard J. Williams]

> > George W. Bush is the bigger culprit because he's the 
> > one that actually executed the war in Iraq, thinking 
> > that Saddam had WMD.
> >
authfriend:
> *Pretending* that Saddam had WMD. He almost certainly 
> knew otherwise...
> 
The U.S. and its allies won the first gulf war to prevent 
Saddham Hussien from controlling Saudi Arabia's oil fields, 
but Kerry voted against going into Iraq. Go figure.

But, Kerry voted in favor of going into Iraq to get rid of 
Saddham Hussien's weapons of mass destruction. John Kerry 
is definitely a liar, or he was duped, big time! Almost all
Dems voted in favor of using force to find out if Saddham 
had any WMDs.

Now we have a president that is supported by a former 
Weatherman and the New Black Panthers. Obama might as well 
have a Winter Soldier in his cabinet! 

This way, we can impeach Obama and for killing all those 
people in Afghanistan with drone strikes and jail Kerry for 
using automatic weapons on civilians in Vietnam. 

Do the Taliban have any weapons of mass destruction? 

No, they don't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the contrary, I think we should mention Ann's hubby in
> > > > > > > every post from now on. I for one would like to know what
> > > > > > > peculiar magic he  possessed that enabled him to saddle up
> > > > > > > that spirited filly and ride her off into the sunset.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yeesh. Although I'm in full sympathy with the sentiment, I
> > > > > > can't help pointing out what an incredibly sexist metaphor
> > > > > > you've used to express it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unlike you, Ann had no objection to it. In fact, she picked
> > > > > it up and ran with it. Lighten up, authfriend!
> > > > 
> > > > It's a sexist metaphor regardless of whether Ann objected
> > > > to it. She was responding graciously to the compliment and
> > > > ignoring the sexism. 
> 
> You read it right. I agree with what you say here, completely.
> 
> >>>Since the compliment wasn't directed
> > > > at me, I have no need to be gracious and can call it as I
> > > > see it, see? Don't be such a pompous ass. You could have
> > > > said, "Yes, I guess it was, sorry about that!" and have
> > > > come out smelling like a rose.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sorry about it at all. I like it. I chose it
> > > deliberately, with a little bit of a smile. What you are
> > > doing here is what you do so often -- getting offended on
> > > behalf of someone who is not the least bit offended.
> > 
> > Let me say it another way: That Ann did not express offense
> > does NOT mean that the metaphor wasn't sexist, or that sexism
> > isn't offensive. I wasn't offended on Ann's behalf; she gets
> > to decide whether she was offended by your sexism. 
> 
> Correct, and I thought I might be for just a moment or two but the unexpected 
> nature of Feste's post after many weeks of not interacting with him was 
> pleasant in spite of the sexist overtone. I figured I could let it go and 
> focus on a different aspect of what he was saying although I considered 
> addressing the fact that he used a metaphor that implied some man had 
> "broken" the spirited filly and rode her off after dominating and taming her.
> And since I know that that is not actually the case I can ignore it and just 
> let it go - this time. Now I can think of others who I might not be so 
> forgiving of...

Actually, it was the case. That was exactly what the metaphor implied. I was 
completely aware of it. If the witch wants to call it sexist, I don't care. I 
was having fun. Lighten up, girls!

> 
> But Judy, I love you for what you wrote; you are still the dominant lioness 
> here and let no one forget it. I certainly won't. And lions just won't accept 
> a saddle, let alone a bridle.
> 
> >I get to
> > decide whether I find it offensive, not her, and *certainly*
> > not you.
> > 
> > Get it now?
> > 
> > You've just told us that you enjoy making sexist remarks.
> > Now we know something about you we didn't know before.
> > Everyone is entitled to decide on their own behalf whether
> > they find that cute, or deplorable.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[merudanda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v nqf7PTKwYbc

  sine qua non of Erektion?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v qPbuyi5DR-
  8
  Åsa Vilbäck om alternativmedicin
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v GdH4y9oo-6o <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v GdH4y9oo-6o>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Emily,
> >
> > That's the one I meant to post. Thanks to Judy for alerting me.
> > It's a beautiful aria and revealing. Men act so emotionally crude
> > at times but this is their other side.
> >
> > As a Russian Archbishop told me:
> >
> > When their dicks get hard their hearts get soft.
> > When their dicks get soft their hearts get hard.
>
> FWIW, just heard a Swedish Doctor, Åsa (awsa) Vilbäck claim,
> that relaxation (parasympathetic tone?) is the conditio
> sine qua non of erection?!
>
>
http://lagprisflygbolag.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/nakenchock-av-doktor-as\
a-vilback/
>
>
> >
> > Such is the definition of the brutish man.
> > This is why men need women - mothers,
> > sisters, lovers to refine them.
> >
> > However, see what it got Masetto in the aria -
> > just a candidacy for being a wuss.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Can't go wrong with Dmitri's voice...a dream come true. Â Pair
that
> > with Ann's husband's qualities and I might consider marriage one
day.
> > Kidding! Â I looked up the story of Don Giovanni - oh my. Â
Here
> > is a cute blurb on a canadian opera singer's thoughts while trying
to
> > learn the Batti batti aria:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://deadwildroses.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/mozart-don-giovanni-k-527-\
\
> > zerlinas-batti-batti-aria/
> > >
> > >
> > > I grew up with opera and classical, but I didn't care for most of
it
> > as no one else I knew was forced to listen to it. Â My
grandparents
> > had season tickets forever to the symphony, to the opera, to the
ballet.
> > Â I had little TV before 12 and none after for many years. Â I
was
> > a huge book reader. Â No real exposure to pop culture until Pop
got
> > us a radio of our own as he was walking out the door when we hit our
> > teen years. Â I craved pop culture; I wanted to relate. Â With
all
> > that crosses FFL, I feel that I've caught up on pop culture and now
> > this...coming full circle I am and I am so delighted I can
appreciate
> > opera and classical now. Â Ha hatime for a glass of ginger
ale.
> > Â I'm getting all mushy and don't want to make myself ill with
all
> > this gratitude talk. Â  Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: emptybill emptybill@
> > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:47 PM
> > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] The seduction of the beautiful
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > >Ladies â€" You just wish you
> > > could be seduced like this:
> > > >Don Giovanni â€" La ci darem la
> > > mano
> > > >Sung byDmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZHwbxLBO0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Kerry To Be Secretary of State

[Richard J. Williams]

John jr_esq: 
> I'm beginning to believe that George W. is and was a 
> member of a secret society
>
Everyone knows that Kerry was a member of the secret society,
Skull & Bones. 

> that is planning for a "new world order", just as his 
> father before him had proclaimed.
> 

> > > According to the latest news. He's going to take a very 
> > > demanding job that requires diplomacy and travel.
> > > 
> > Do you think Kerry will travel to Cambodia to spend Christmas?
> > 
> > "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
> > authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein 
> > because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass 
> > destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our 
> > security." - John Kerry

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[merudanda]

Dear Madame E cannot write it better than Nin:
"Each friend represents a world in us, a world possibly not born
until they arrive, and it is only by this meeting that a new world is
born."
.. found that rare clips may be of interest(?)
Anais Nin on Anger and the Artist  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu9epVEULZM

Henry Miller & Anaïs Nin on Death and Dreams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJHmzWDgG-c

"the neurotic man is the man of the future he continues ...a man should
not adapt to this world because its a bad world. "


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> "leave out the poetry" Goethes Faust and A.Nin--both outdated?
>   
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHmwp4JkGk
> 
>
>
> Faustus reflects on the most rewarding type of scholarship
>
> These metaphysics of magicians,
>
> And necromantic books are heavenly!
>
>
>
> He quotes (he is following the dictates of medieval scholarship) the
> Greek philosopher Aristotle, considers and dismiss logic, medicine
> (Galen), law(Justinian), divinity, ("[t]he reward of sin is
> death") but finally fixes his mind on magic, which he believes will
> make him "a mighty god" his rhetoric outlines the modern quest
> for control over nature (albeit through magic rather than through
> science) in glowing, inspiring language. He offers a long list of
> impressive goals, including the acquisition of knowledge, wealth, and
> political power, that he believes he will achieve once he has mastered
> the dark arts Faustus's dreams inspire wonder
>
> Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God,
> And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
> Am not tormented with ten thousand hells
> In being deprived of everlasting bliss?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"
> emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh, it's all about the passion and the voices and the melodies for
me
> in the end, although I got a kick out that blog I posted.  I once
heard
> Faust in English - what a waste of effort to make it more approachable
> to the masses - couldn't understand it in English either.
> >
> > And from Anais Nin for a feminine touch:
> >
> > "Only the united beat of sex and heart together can create ecstasy."
> > ~Anais Nin
> >
> Anaïs Nin wrote the following passionate letter to the "Collector"
> (she was earning $1 per page writing erotic fiction for the private
> consumption of this anonymous client,incidentally, some of those
stories
> written by Nin were later published in the book, Delta Of Venus.)and
> made known her frustrations — frustrations that had been caused by
> his repeated insistence that they "leave out the poetry" and instead
> "concentrate on sex."
>
> "Dear Collector:
>
> We hate you. Sex loses all its power and magic when it becomes
explicit,
> mechanical, overdone, when it becomes a mechanistic obsession. It
> becomes a bore. You have taught us more than anyone I know how wrong
it
> is not to mix it with emotion, hunger, desire, lust, whims, caprices,
> personal ties, deeper relationships which change its color, flavor,
> rhythms, intensities.
>
> You do not know what you are missing by your microscopic examination
of
> sexual activity to the exclusion of others, which are the fuel that
> ignites it. Intellectual, imaginative, romantic, emotional. This is
what
> gives sex its surprising textures, its subtle transformations, its
> aphrodisiac elements. You are shrinking your world of sensations. You
> are withering it, starving it, draining its blood…If you have
closed
> your senses around silk, light, color, odor, character, temperament,
you
> must by now be completely shriveled up. There are so many minor
senses,
> all running like tributaries into the mainstream of sex, nourishing
it.
> Only the united beat of sex and heart together can create ecstasy.
>
> Anais Nin"
>
>
> And then the day came,
> when the risk
> to remain tight
> in a bud
> was more painful
> than the risk
> it took
> to Blossom.
>
> Anaïs Nin
>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Emily,
> > >
> > > That's the one I meant to post. Thanks to Judy for alerting me.
> > > It's a beautiful aria and revealing. Men act so emotionally crude
> > > at times but this is their other side.
> > >
> > > As a Russian Archbishop told me:
> > >
> > > When their dicks get hard their hearts get soft.
> > > When their dicks get soft their hearts get hard.
> > >
> > > Such is the definition of the brutish man.
> > > This is why men need women - mothers,
> > > sisters, lovers to refine them.
> > >
> > > However, see what it got Masetto in the aria -
> > > just a candidacy for being a wuss.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can't go wrong with Dmitri's voice...a dream come true. Â
Pair
> that
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Emily,
> 
> That's the one I meant to post. Thanks to Judy for alerting me.
> It's a beautiful aria and revealing. Men act so emotionally crude
> at times but this is their other side.
> 
> As a Russian Archbishop told me:
> 
> When their dicks get hard their hearts get soft.
> When their dicks get soft their hearts get hard.

FWIW, just heard a Swedish Doctor, Åsa (awsa) Vilbäck claim,
that relaxation (parasympathetic tone?) is the conditio
sine qua non of erection?!

http://lagprisflygbolag.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/nakenchock-av-doktor-asa-vilback/


> 
> Such is the definition of the brutish man.
> This is why men need women - mothers,
> sisters, lovers to refine them.
> 
> However, see what it got Masetto in the aria -
> just a candidacy for being a wuss.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
> wrote:
> >
> > Can't go wrong with Dmitri's voice...a dream come true. Â Pair that
> with Ann's husband's qualities and I might consider marriage one day.
> Kidding! Â I looked up the story of Don Giovanni - oh my. Â Here
> is a cute blurb on a canadian opera singer's thoughts while trying to
> learn the Batti batti aria:
> >
> >
> http://deadwildroses.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/mozart-don-giovanni-k-527-\
> zerlinas-batti-batti-aria/
> >
> >
> > I grew up with opera and classical, but I didn't care for most of it
> as no one else I knew was forced to listen to it. Â My grandparents
> had season tickets forever to the symphony, to the opera, to the ballet.
> Â I had little TV before 12 and none after for many years. Â I was
> a huge book reader. Â No real exposure to pop culture until Pop got
> us a radio of our own as he was walking out the door when we hit our
> teen years. Â I craved pop culture; I wanted to relate. Â With all
> that crosses FFL, I feel that I've caught up on pop culture and now
> this...coming full circle I am and I am so delighted I can appreciate
> opera and classical now. Â Ha hatime for a glass of ginger ale.
> Â I'm getting all mushy and don't want to make myself ill with all
> this gratitude talk. Â  Â
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: emptybill emptybill@
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:47 PM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] The seduction of the beautiful
> > >
> > >
> > >Â
> > >Ladies â€" You just wish you
> > could be seduced like this:
> > >Don Giovanni â€" La ci darem la
> > mano
> > >Sung byDmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZHwbxLBO0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno

[Share Long]

Ok, sorry, thanks for explaining.





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely to Xeno
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Xeno you've chosen to snip the rest of my post which explains what I meant.  
> Just to be more clear, I was writing of course about something Emily 
> attributed to me yesterday.
> Which philosophy is your question and snipping an expression of?

I think you misunderstood the intent of my short post.

1. You said 'I don't even THINK the word imbecile'

But of course you have to think a word to write it, especially in some kind of 
context.

2. 'let alone express it.'

To write it and to post it you also have to express it in some manner even if 
you do not intend to use the word directed at someone, which is how the word is 
typically used. And you must also know something of what the word means, and 
suppose that others also know what it means, otherwise posting it would require 
you to define it so you would be understood. This is not a serious post by me. 
I have been lightly touching in on FFL - its nice to be away - and did not feel 
like some serious discussion. So, I was not even bringing up the subject of 
whatever the discussion was, which was why it was snipped. I do believe I know 
what you intended by the remark, but I was having fun with it. Do not take me 
seriously here. Your situation with Emily was not in my mind at all. I don't 
even know what it is/was.

> 
>  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 9:19 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely 
> stooopid"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > dear FFL, just to set the record straight:  I don't even THINK the word 
> > imbecile much less express it.
> 
> And so, Share, how did you manage to write the above passage? In case you 
> think this is a criticism, this is a philosophical question.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of the beautiful

[David]

lovely! Thanks. David

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Ladies – You just wish you could be seduced like this:
> 
> Don Giovanni – La ci darem la mano
> 
> Sung by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iZHwbxLBO0
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday TurqB

[Share Long]

Jane has some feisty scenes and lines in this excerpt from Electric Horseman.  
Hope you have a fun and feisty day and year (-:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNpQOdwar8E

PS  It's also the birthday of my Mom's mom, long gone now.

[FairfieldLife] For all of you, zero WP8 users!

[card]

Best navigation app for WP8:

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G-translation:

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Nokia has created an excellent solution that is a true alternative to the 
traditional car GPS. Map information can both be downloaded as needed or in 
full directly to the phone, the program is easy to use and the search function 
is really good. Additionally, the program is completely free if you have a 
Lumia phone. We like!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which is worse,,,"really stupid" or "reeely stooopid"

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I were a man I'd want to be me.
> > 
> > I cannot help but go on the record here and feel
> > sorry for Ann's hubby, not for the first time.
> 
> Ooh, stinging. I'll bet this will just devastate Ann.
> 
> (Actually, I bet she'll show it to her hubby, and he'll
> hurt himself laughing. But we can certainly understand
> why a woman like Ann would be a nightmare for Barry.)

Please note that Judy carefully snipped the smiley face
at the end of my post, so that she could exercise her
usual drama queenery and faux outrage. 

What I meant -- and I suspect many people not as 
committed to turning *everything* into an argument
as Judy is understood -- is that I cannot imagine 
anything more trying than maintaining a relationship 
with someone (of either sex) whose ideal in the other 
sex is someone just like them. That's a kind of 
narcissism that would be tough to cope with. 

Relationships are all about the *differences* between
people, not the similarities. Who -- other than Robin 
and/or people indoctrinated by him -- would ever *want* 
to be with a clone of themselves? I'm just suggesting 
that, even as a passing aside, Ann's comment was very 
telling. 

Judy's? That just more of her normal nastiness and Yet 
Another Attempt to get everybody arguing, and thus to 
drag things down to her level.