Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits
Hilarious. Great one-liner.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits
Apparently a stiff upper lip is not the only thing that Englishmen value.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Never used it tho my older brother swears by it. I was interested in the
article since I never thought of the guy who developed it getting a knighthood
for it.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 9:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits
You have a particular interest in Viagra, do you Michael?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
The English know what is important!!
Knighthood for 'father of Viagra'
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| Knighthood for 'father of Viagra'Two chemists, one who started research on
Viagra and one YouTube celebrity, along with a former NFU president, are
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...But many so called atheists today consider Dawkins to be one of the leading apologists for atheism. Don't be an idiot, John. *No one* considers Dawkins a leading apologist for atheism because being an atheist requires no apology. Believing in an invisible man in the sky is the thing that people should apologize for.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak
LOL. Thanks for reposting all of this. It's pretty classic -- Jim transitions from enlightened poseur claiming to be all sweetness and light back to being on Interpol's cyberterrorist watch list in one day, all while trying to hide all of it from the people he's suckered into reading The_Leak. :-) Just to remind folks of the sequence, Jimbo *started* the argument by making a post on FFL trying to lure new sycophants to his group, a place they could chat without the over the top insanity. Someone called him on this obvious attempt to insult FFLers and start a fight, so he quickly deleted his original post and reposted it without that phrase. A couple of people (myself and aryavazhi) poked gentle fun at him for his cluelessness, while someone else suggested his new FFL-only screen name (reverse_archery) was itself a cloaked dig at Rick Archer. NEXT, however, *with no further provocation*, Jim replied by re-launching his Barry is a pedophile slander. signing off with I won't be commenting further on here. I responded by notifying Jim that I'd notified the Dutch police of his illegal activities once again. He went ballistic, lost control the way he used to, and made almost a dozen more postshere on FFL, each one as one person put it dripping with vitriol and crazy talk. WHILE he's doing all of this on FFL, back over on peaceful and moderated The_Leak, he's congratulating everyone for having selected *his* forum as the go-to location. NOT A WORD about all of the shit he's been slinging back over on FFL, while pretending to be all enlightened and wonderful on The_Leak. I wondered whether anyone would call him on this, and fortunately someone did, as the posts cited below from Cardozo indicate. Jim is busted. He reacts by lying about who started the nastiness on FFL, and by deleting Cardozy's posts. There you have it -- enlightenment in action. What an ass clown. :-) From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 7:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak I guess I'm not the only one seeing the disparity in tone between Jim's posts on The Peak and his post on FFL https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089 Cardozy and his insults have beendeleted. Know thy audience. Yes, I said all of those things, incontext, as a well provoked response on FFL. I took serious offense at what wasbeing said, and responded in kind. I began this forum as an alternativeto the cesspit over there, and plan to keep it that way. If anyone has anyfurther questions, let's get them out of the way, now - Otherwise, I'd just assoon continue into a brighter New Year! ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :cardozo, so what youare saying is that Barry slings shit at Jim, and Jim returns the favor? Is that the extent ofit? that Barry's raisond'etre, by his own admission, is pushing people's buttons, and thatsome people will decide that what he really is, is sort of an ass, and that heruns the risk of getting push back on the misrepresentations he puts out there? Yea, it gets ugly sometimes. So, what else is new. ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, cardozo2015@... wrote :Well, that sounds fine and good. But here’s a small sampling of what your moderator is continuing to poston FairfieldLife, literally at the same time today that he was thanking all ofyou for joining this forum where ‘thewonder, integration and knowledge of life can be shared and appreciated.’ I hold a US Government clearance(Confidential - one step below Top Secret), and have also been investigated bythe FBI to get same. They didn't have a problem with me. Stop your bullshit,stay away from the kiddies, and Shut The Fuck Up. :-)That sure blew up in your face,didn't it? LOL. What a putz.Keep those greasy mitts of yoursaway from the kids, OK? That is all I am asking of you.You are such a punk. You have themanners of a two year old, and a mouth that could use some soap, and every timesomeone calls you on it, you have what, a youtube video, as rebuttal?? Typical.I'd be surprised if you could create a glass of water by yourself.-You may be able to wrap your headaround this or even ignore it, but it sure looks like creepy behavior to me. Rather than reminding that a friendis a concert pianist, it’s more like a reminder that the pied piper is a creep,who has no qualms about using people to create one group where he can act ‘allsweetness and light’ and between posts go to another forum where he acts outhis creepy side which he apparently has no control over.Your moderator will likely deletethis post before you have a chance to read it,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
LOL. Steve's just acting out his new position as Jim Flanegin's toady and ass-kisser, that's all. He seems to have taken that position over from Judy after she left. :-) From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a month ago. This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often babysits, a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before, really got to *my* sensitivities, so much so that I started my own forum. Apparently a lot of people agreed with my sensitivities, too. I guess we are all sensitive in different areas, eh? Anyway if you grow too sensitive for FFL, come on over the The Peak, and let's talk about it.:-) I thought your comment merited a response, though I won't be commenting further on here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified
again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have
now notified authorities in the U.S.
You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different
occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous
statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts
you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty
much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized.
Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire
books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second,
stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could
crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about
me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one
seems to care about.
Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out.
:-)
Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first*
stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into
getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was
still here:
Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual
violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry
things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and
am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen
names, of this current activity.
Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually
perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a
healthy environment for anyone to participate in.
I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's
mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I
am one of the casualties. See ya!!
So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're
willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries
looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door
and have it hit you in the ass.
You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight,
STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're
trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum.
Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about
Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak
and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more
trouble.
From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly
been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak.
I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when
Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a
month ago. This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often
babysits, a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before,
really got to *my* sensitivities, so much so that I started my own forum.
Apparently a lot of people agreed with my sensitivities, too. I guess we are
all sensitive in different areas, eh?
Anyway if you grow too sensitive for FFL, come on over the The Peak, and let's
talk about it.:-) I thought your comment merited a response, though I won't be
commenting further on here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote :
Maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive, but the reverse_archery moniker suggests
to me a cheap shot at Rick Archer which isn't needed. #yiv6449724403
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
I am going to agree with James here, Michael. This TV report *was*, obviously, based on data provided to them by the TMO, which has a proven history of lying about data to present a better impression of its products than would be warranted by presenting real data. But to counter these claims, you need to analyze the *real data* from these schools, and present reasons why this reporting might be fallacious. For example, was there any *other* change in the criteria used to issue suspensions during the period being measured? Were there any *other* reasons that attendance could have improved? The statistic provided on improved academic performance speaks for itself -- a .4% increase is probably not enough to be statistically valid; variations that small probably happen regularly in every school. But stick to the facts. Don't try to bring your own grudges and anger into it. Even *I* have no issue with this quiet time experiment *as it is being presented* -- meditating in a classroom, with no indoctrination into anything other than the TM technique, and with TM teachers given no access to students to try to get them more involved with the TM movement outside of school. If they left it at that, I'd have no problem with it. If the TM teachers involved start using class time to indoctrinate students into weird neo-Hindu beliefs (basically, what the TMO teaches as SCI) or tries to get them to learn the TM-Sidhis, then I'd have a *big* problem with it. James is right. You're so intent on trying to get the TMO that you don't seem to realize how obsessed with it you seem. Lighten up. The TM movement doesn't need your help to self-destruct; they're doing a good job of that on their own. As for the basic TM technique, well if that has any value it will stick around long after MUM is nothing but ruins. But in neither case will you and the things you post here or elsewhere have made a big difference in how things turn out. Just my opinion... From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1 The changes reported in the NBC news pieces are as follows: 79% reduction in suspensions, 93% increase in attendance, 0.4 increase on 4.0 point scale (10% increase) in GPA over four years in School one. 75% reduction in suspensions and a move from the bottom in academic performance in SF to the middle range of SF performance for School 2. Michael, regardless of what happened in the other SF schools you mentioned - no matter what happened and no matter what your views or Gina's views are on what happened - has zero relevance when disputing the impact of TM on the schools reported in the NBC news program. The whole history of the TM movement, what MMY got up to or not, why MMY ran the TMO the way he did, whether the whole TMO was motivated by the desire to make money or by greed, how the TMO is run, the character of the current movement leaders, etc.,etc. are all up for discussion, but none of these things has any relevance whatsoever in attempting to explain the above results or to refute the above results. [It is also not relevant as an argument what may happen in these two schools in the future related to the practice of TM by its students.] None of the above has any relevance whatsoever. To put it another way: If MMY started and ran the TMO to make money, to get power, if MMY had zero interest in the welfare and happiness of others, if all the rumors of a private sexual life were true, if all the frameworks of the growth in consciousness and enlightenment that MMY expounded were complete rubbish, if all the current leaders of the TMO are complete frauds who are just in it for the power/money, if the Maharishi effect is pure fantasy and no such effect exists, if pundits have rioted in FF (this last one is true), if most people give up TM after a short while, if TM works for some period of time and not for longer, etc. etc. - even if all these things were true - this NBC news piece is still reporting significant benefits to children over a four year period (a long and crucial time in a child's life) as a result of practicing TM as part of their school day in two different schools. My points above are not limited to the value or non-value of TM. If we were discussing the impact of say, physical exercise/quality of food/teacher expertise and their effects on children's performance in any school, my point also applies: It is not a valid argument against the impact of an intervention in one school, to say that another school district had refused to introduce the same intervention or had withdrawn the same intervention following some conflict. My points are about making a valid, logical argument about what a critic (you in this case) is required to do to refute the impact of any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great clip on Maharishi Tower of Invincibilty
Also known as a folly. Really. See definition #2 below. It *perfectly*
describes Maharishi's Towers Of Invincibility -- costly, ornamental, and with
no practical purpose.
fol·lyˈfälēnounnoun: folly; plural noun: Follies
- lack of good sense; foolishness.an act of sheer folly
- a foolish act, idea, or practice.plural noun: folliesthe follies of
youth
| synonyms: | foolishness, foolhardiness, stupidity, idiocy,
lunacy, madness, rashness, recklessness, imprudence, injudiciousness,
irresponsibility, thoughtlessness, indiscretion; informalcraziness the folly
of youth |
| antonyms: | wisdom |
- a costly ornamental building with no practical purpose, especially a tower
or mock-Gothic ruin built in a large garden or park.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great clip on Maharishi Tower of Invincibilty
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A Bismarck tower (German: Bismarckturm) is a specific form of a Bismarck
monument, built according to a more or less standard model across the former
German Reich to honour the first chancellor Otto von Bismarck. A total of 240
of these towers were built between German unification and the Nazi takeover,
i.e. between 1869 and 1934. Some 173 remain.
The world's first Bismarck tower now stands in Poland. It was erected by
private initiative in 1869 in the village of Ober-Johnsdorf, Silesia, then part
of Prussia (today Janówek, Wrocław County). It stands on top of the hill now
called Jańska Góra (German: Johnsberg), 253 m above sea level. The tower itself
is 23 m in height. The sponsor was a retired Prussian officer Friedrich
Schröter (1820–1888), a wealthy landowner in nearby Wättrisch.One year after
Bismarck's death, German Studentenverbindung fraternities chose one of the
designs submitted by the architect Wilhelm Kreis in an 1899 architecture
competition. The award-winning Götterdämmerung fire column design of granite or
sandstone was selected as a standard model for all Bismarck towers. The massive
and squat design could be built to different heights and widths depending on
the amount of money donated for the particular monument.In manifestation of the
Bismarck cult, they were built in various styles in locations across the German
Empire, including its colonies in New Guinea (Gazelle Peninsula), Cameroon
(near Limbe) and Tanzania, as well as in areas of Europe that, at the time,
were part of Germany, but now lie within the borders of Poland, France, Denmark
or Russia. Bismarck towers were also built in Austria, in the Czech Republic,
and in Concepción, Chile.Every Bismarck tower was originally intended as a
beacon. Their braziers were to be lit on specified days in honour of the former
chancellor to commemorate his achievement in unifying Germany in 1871. Though
most towers included firing installations, plans for a nation-wide beaconing
failed and many local initiatives chose deviating designs. The architects of
these towers included Wilhelm Kreis himself, who built 58 (47 to the
Götterdämmerung design), and Bruno Schmitz.Bismarck tower - Wikipedia, the free
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Too bad the corrector is gone
Could we say that Maharishi's belief that his Towers Of Invincibility would
make people remember him forever was a Phallus-y Fallacy? :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
Thanks for the information. The history of your slandering me has been duly passed along to the right parties, as has information about the...uh...gender confusion that led you to pose as a woman here on FFL for many months. Good luck trying to get that security clearance renewed in the future. :-) You've GOT your own playground now. You can sit in your sandbox and rule everything, and say anything you want about how superior you are without fear of anyone contradicting you or calling you on your bullshit. (They wouldn't dare, because you'd throw them out for doing it.) So essentially you've got everything your tiny narcissistic personality disordered mind has ever wanted. My advice is to stay over on The_Leak and enjoy it, rather than *demonstrating* how petty and obsessed and self-destructive you are by continuing to post slander about me here on FFL. If you keep it up, you're so unintelligent and impulse-driven that sooner or later you're going to say something that I can actually have you arrested for back in the U.S. As things stand now, I wouldn't try flying through Amsterdam any time soon if I were you. Just sayin'... From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL LOL - Yes, please tell me *exactly* whom you have supposedly reported me to. I hold a US Government clearance (Confidential - one step below Top Secret), and have also been investigated by the FBI to get same. They didn't have a problem with me. Stop your bullshit, stay away from the kiddies, and Shut The Fuck Up, Barry. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick,I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexualviolence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am trulysorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoocorporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahooadministrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barrymakes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexuallyperverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is nolonger a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. Iam all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed oneindividual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hangout, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate
[FairfieldLife] Loser with a capital L
Jim just can't help himself. Not only does he LOOK like Biff Tannen in the Back to the Future movies, he acts like him, too. And he wants people to believe he's enlightened. :-) The Many Insults of Biff | | | | | | | | | | | The Many Insults of Biff | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL LOL - What were those names again? Just do me a favor, and keep those greasy mitts of yours away from the kids, OK? That is all I am asking of you. As for me renewing my clearance, no chance - I am retired, and it doesn't expire until 2021, anyway.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for the information. The history of your slandering me has been duly passed along to the right parties, as has information about the...uh...gender confusion that led you to pose as a woman here on FFL for many months. Good luck trying to get that security clearance renewed in the future. :-) You've GOT your own playground now. You can sit in your sandbox and rule everything, and say anything you want about how superior you are without fear of anyone contradicting you or calling you on your bullshit. (They wouldn't dare, because you'd throw them out for doing it.) So essentially you've got everything your tiny narcissistic personality disordered mind has ever wanted. My advice is to stay over on The_Leak and enjoy it, rather than *demonstrating* how petty and obsessed and self-destructive you are by continuing to post slander about me here on FFL. If you keep it up, you're so unintelligent and impulse-driven that sooner or later you're going to say something that I can actually have you arrested for back in the U.S. As things stand now, I wouldn't try flying through Amsterdam any time soon if I were you. Just sayin'... From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL LOL - Yes, please tell me *exactly* whom you have supposedly reported me to. I hold a US Government clearance (Confidential - one step below Top Secret), and have also been investigated by the FBI to get same. They didn't have a problem with me. Stop your bullshit, stay away from the kiddies, and Shut The Fuck Up, Barry. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick,I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexualviolence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am trulysorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoocorporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahooadministrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barrymakes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexuallyperverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is nolonger a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. Iam all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed oneindividual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hangout, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the
[FairfieldLife] Creator of The Peak admits he can't live without FFL to crap on
Ironic, isn't it? The guy who threw a drama queen fit and tried to extort Rick into banning someone he didn't like (moi), and then when that failed threw another drama queen fit and stalked loudly off the forum to start his own supposedly moderated and insanity-free forum, claiming he'd never be back on FFL as long as it contained the person he didn't like, has lasted less than a month away. Like clockwork, he's back on FFL -- AGAIN -- with a new name -- AGAIN -- ragging on the same person he was obsessed with before -- AGAIN. And please bear in mind we're talking about a guy who claims he's ENLIGHTENED. For a short time, he actually seemed to be pulling off his sham Come to The_Peak...it's all peaceful and fluffy and light routine, limiting himself to inane Newage topics and self-promotion over there. But obviously the lack of someone to dump on begins to wear on him, so he feels the need to return to FFL to rip off some of its members and entice them to join his group and *tries* to start an argument, starting by calling *this* forum the home of over-the-top insanity. When a couple of people call him on this, he has one of his normal FFL meltdowns and starts hurling insults, *including* the slanderous kind that are going to get his retarded ass locked up if he's not careful. Now he announces his intention to keep coming back to FFL to do the same thing, whenever he feels the need to. He'll be all peaceful and lovey-dovey over on The_Leak, and use this place to take periodic gotta dump on somebody breaks. All while being ENLIGHTENED. The Internet really doesn't GET much lamer -- or funnier -- than this. From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Loser with a capital L LOL - The way you announced yourself, in the title of this email - Hey Barry, next you will be telling us that the Walter Mitty routine, the one where you report me to the authorities, was all a big joke. It was, but not in the way you think. Get real, Barry, you are such a punk. You have the manners of a two year old, and a mouth that could use some soap, and every time someone calls you on it, you have what, a youtube video, as rebuttal?? Typical. I'd be surprised if you could create a glass of water by yourself. So, keep up your childish routines, and I'll come over here and call you on it, once in a while. It'll keep things interesting for you, and perhaps prevent you from ever referring to sex with babies, again. Are we clear, loser? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Jim just can't help himself. Not only does he LOOK like Biff Tannen in the Back to the Future movies, he acts like him, too. And he wants people to believe he's enlightened. :-) The Many Insults of Biff | | | | | | | | | | | The Many Insults of Biff | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL LOL - What were those names again? Just do me a favor, and keep those greasy mitts of yours away from the kids, OK? That is all I am asking of you. As for me renewing my clearance, no chance - I am retired, and it doesn't expire until 2021, anyway.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for the information. The history of your slandering me has been duly passed along to the right parties, as has information about the...uh...gender confusion that led you to pose as a woman here on FFL for many months. Good luck trying to get that security clearance renewed in the future. :-) You've GOT your own playground now. You can sit in your sandbox and rule everything, and say anything you want about how superior you are without fear of anyone contradicting you or calling you on your bullshit. (They wouldn't dare, because you'd throw them out for doing it.) So essentially you've got everything your tiny narcissistic personality disordered mind has ever wanted. My advice is to stay over on The_Leak and enjoy it, rather than *demonstrating* how petty and obsessed and self-destructive you are by continuing to post slander about me here on FFL. If you keep it up, you're so unintelligent and impulse-driven that sooner or later you're going to say something that I can actually have you arrested for back in the U.S. As things stand now, I wouldn't try flying through Amsterdam any time soon if I were you. Just sayin'... From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative
[FairfieldLife] Sex With Babies
Sounds to me like the title of the tell all book Jim fears his former wives will write. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com We all know Turq and know that babies
didn't refer to children but the behavior of some grown-ups on FFL. We'll see
how long Jim as a moderator tolerates the graffiti of the Williemeister and
whining of the Buckmeister. ;-)
An excellent point, actually.
Rick tolerated Jim's and Buck's abuses for years. Not to mention Willytex's. So
how long will it take until these guys feel like yanking JIM's chain, and how
long after that will it take before he nukes them?
Questions to ponder around the morning Water Cooler Betting Pool. :-)
On 12/31/2014 02:05 AM, aryavazhi wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote :
Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been
offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak.
I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when
Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a
month ago.
And you are repeating it right now, here, verbatim. That means your whole act
is hypocritical, because, if it offends you, why would you repeat it? I guess
context is everything - not that I would like this example, but I understand
that it was posted purely as hypothesis - that Maharishi's name was associated
with it, was sort of incidental.
While I can still understand your reaction, to leave the group, and make your
own one - what you are doing now is simply absurd and ridiculus, you come here,
and try to pull everybody over to your group in attempt to isolate Turq, that's
all too transparent. For that matter, count me out, I'm not interested to join
a group with you partonizing.
This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often babysits,
a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before, really got
to *my* sensitivities, so much so that I started my own forum.
Now here it gets a whole lot weirder from your side: Whily Turq made a purely
theoretical hypothesis, you are actually insinuating this for him as a reality.
That's a big difference. Not only that, you try to isolate him, and basically
destroy this group, together with Buck, who is a lot more outspoken about your
real goals.
Apparently a lot of people agreed with my sensitivities, too. I guess we are
all sensitive in different areas, eh?
Anyway if you grow too sensitive for FFL, come on over the The Peak, and
let's talk about it.:-) I thought your comment merited a response, though I
won't be commenting further on here.
Yeah, sure, because you are already gone, right? Give this as a message to
Buck as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote :
Maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive, but the reverse_archery moniker
suggests to me a cheap shot at Rick Archer which isn't needed.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Plastic bag apocalypse
I'm just going to comment on the WTF-ness of this rant for me.
I live in Europe, and have for some years. During most of those years I have
neither had nor needed an automobile. Instead, I go out onto the streets -- via
foot or bicycle -- and buy the things I need. To carry these things home, I
always travel with a couple of large, sturdy cloth bags, stored in the backpack
I carry with me everywhere.
This means that when I go to a store and buy shit and they ask me, Do you need
a bag? I can smile and say No. For Dutch people this ability to say No is
a big deal because if you say Yes they actually charge you money for the
shitty, non-reusable plastic bags they give you.
Don't like to carry around your own recyclable or reusable bags? Fine. Just
don't bitch about more sensible people wanting to charge you for your attitude.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Plastic bag apocalypse
Today shopping I was given BIG plastic bags I didn't even know the
stores had. They usually have one smaller size. The reason? Starting
tomorrow plastic bags are banned in this burg as they will be in other
locations around here and maybe even in your burg. I'm on the fence
about this one. For one thing these laws were often passed without a
vote of the public. Just the city councils deciding they know what's
best for us and wanting to keep up with the Jones on other city
councils have passed these. Needless to say the plastics industry is up
in arms about and there is a petition for recall of the law.
I've long had bags in my car I could use but often I would just walk
into a store without them and often all I was getting was one thing or
two which I could carry out without a bag. Thing is the plastic grocery
bags are recyclable material and the stores provided bins where you
could return them. Apparently this law is due to a few loop heads who
just throw them in the trash.
These bags came about because environmentalists were complaining about
the cutting down of trees for grocery bags (though much of them were
made from recycled paper). But starting tomorrow if you need a bag you
can pay 10 cents for a paper bag. Bet lots of checkout lines will be
held up as someone on principle runs out to their car to get a bag
rather than pay 10 cents. Perhaps every shopping center should put up
big flashing signs saying don't forget your bag!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sex With Babies
Huh? I don't know what anyone else was talking about, but I was suggesting that Jim's ex-wives would be writing about what sex with *him* would have been like. What did *you* imagine? From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sex With Babies I suggest to the moderator that all posts under this highly inflammatory subject heading be immediately deleted. It could bring a lot of unwelcome attention to this group and possible closure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL vs The Peak
From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Geez, Jim, what's going on with you? Seriously.
You left FFL with a post titled 'Rick: Until Barry is removed, Goodbye', and
saying that FFL 'was no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate
in'.
You founded 'The Peak' which you wanted to be 'without the over the top
insanity' that you perceived on FFL. The comments you've posted there cannot be
faulted in terms of tone or content.
Now, exactly to the day one month after you left, you're back on FFL, and
you've posted 9 messages on FFL today, compared to just one to your own group.
The messages you post in The Peak seem to fit the environment you wanted to
create for yourself and others, but most of the 9 messages you posted here
today are dripping with vitriol and crazy talk.
At least it's clear now who actually *created* the toxic environment at FFL he
used to complain about. It's been a pretty good month without him and his ilk
around, but it took him only a few hours to bring back the crazy.
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[FairfieldLife] Hope everyone had a lovely New Year's Eve party
And that it didn't go on too long... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence)
Based on things that I remember Ravi and Rick saying way back when, my take on it is this. Ravi was married to a woman who was an ardent Amma follower. She dragged him to Amma gatherings and courses, but he always felt out of place because (according to him) his wife and all of her friends tended to treat him as if he were not terribly bright and low-vibe. (Both of which, of course, were true.) Some people have short-lived flashy experiences after getting hugged by Amma, and I guess Ravi had one of those experiences. But then he parlayed that into claiming that he'd had some major realization experience. From what he said about it later on FFL, I suspect he did this just to get back at his wife and her friends by claiming to be even more advanced than they were. (He later admitted to having made up most of these good experiences in posts to FFL.) Anyway, word of this guy who was going around claiming to have been enlightened by Amma reached Rick, and he interviewed Ravi for BATGAP. As I remember hearing, Rick was not very pleased with the video, because Ravi spent part of it raving negatively about his wife (soon to be ex-wife, as she dumped him shortly thereafter and, as I remember, even had to take out a restraining order to keep him away from their kids) and all the terrible things he wanted to do to her. Nevertheless, Rick invited Ravi to FFL, and that is where the real craziness started. Given some attention, he quickly became so abusive that people (including Judy and a number of others who later became his enablers once he began to attack *their* enemies*) suggested that he was seriously disturbed and needed professional help. At one point he even claimed to have checked himself into a mental institution, which turned out to be yet another of his lies. He continued to be a problem on Fairfield Life for some time after that, until Rick finally tired of him trying to fuck up Curtis' reputation and career and finally booted him off. From my side the danger of people like Ravi is two-fold. First, he managed to talk the talk of someone having a realization experience well enough that Rick was completely fooled, and interviewed him for his show. That speaks of incredibly low standards being used to determine enlightenment. For me and a few other FFL posters, from Day One on FFL there was *simply no question* that Ravi was both mentally ill, and potentially dangerously so. He raved about the abusive things he had done to his wife, and the even more abusive things he wanted to do to her in the future. He was abusive to other people on the forum, and often bragged about things that no sane person would even admit to on a public forum (like buying drinks for underage girls in an attempt to get them to fuck him). The second reason I think he was dangerous is that he was the classic example of what happens when you give a mentally ill person an audience. He only started to go REALLY crazy when he developed fans here on Fairfield Life, people who glommed on to his craziness and *applauded it*, because he was attacking people *they* didn't like (like Curtis and Vaj and myself). It was a clear case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and a LOT of people here wound up *enabling* his insanity, and thus IMO causing his mental illness to get worse. I was a proponent of leaving his original BATGAP interview up for all these reasons. Ravi was a big, red, flashing warning sign of 1) what happens when people have such low standards that they believe that a crazy person claiming to be enlightened is enlightened, rather than crazy, and 2) what happens when they give such a crazy person an audience to feed their ego. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I wonder what led Rick to interview him to start with? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Interesting that Rick finally yanked the Ravi video. I remember we (Rick and I) had a discussion about it on FFL once, and I was a proponent of leaving it up, *as a cautionary tale* of how badly Rick could fuck up and be taken in with regard to who is enlightened and who is not. I suggested that he leave the video up, but comment on it as I have above. Last I heard, that is what he had done. Too bad in many ways that it's no longer available. He was quite the loon. But more important, because of Rick he became for a short time a loon with a forum, and a loon with an audience for whom to act loony. That's very dangerous, and I still feel some kind of record of that should have been left. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence And, on some hard drive somewhere, I have an .FLV file
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
As you may be suggesting, I think this phrase (carefully deleted in the second
version of his invite) may be irrelevant, since almost all of the
over-the-top insane people already left. :-)
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
- without over the top insanity - LOL
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Suppose we made up a fake and derivative religion, telling people that there is a field of force that we are immersed in, called 'Dada'. And we tell people it is possible to experience this field if we put all our attention on sensing it, day and night. We tell them that after some time one can experience, say, 'Dada stage 1', which is the experience of silence at night while asleep. Now it seems possible that some people will now report this after a time, that they experience silence at night. This might be the result of the shift of attention, but is also might be the result of a general placebo effect, you tell someone things are a certain way long enough and with enough emphasis, they may start to experience it. Especially if the people reporting experience of the placebo feel that they're getting attention or pats on the back for reporting it. For example, the well-documented phenomenon in the Fairfield domes where someone reports a new experience, one that hasn't been mentioned before, and by week's end 20 other people are reporting that they've had that experience, too. And I think we all remember the was a certain former FFL member would react every time someone would report a new experience here. Not *only* would he report having had that same experience before, but he'd say that it was something he *used* to have, back a few years, but that he'd outgrown it now. So for him any reported experience became not only an opportunity to claim Me, too, it became an opportunity to claim Me, too, back when I was just starting...don't worry, someday you'll get past it, too, and become as evolved as I am, and thus assert his superiority. Presumably he's still doing the same thing on his new group. What I've always wished someone would do is MAKE UP a new experience, and then either report it in the domes or post it on The_Leak, and then sit back and watch how long it is until others start piling on and claiming to have had the same experience themselves. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hammond, Again.
Exactly. Hammond's message from beyond only appeals only to those with a fear
of rapidly-approaching death, plus a fear that they have wasted their lives in
the pursuit of spiritual goals that never seemed to work out as they expected
them to.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hammond, Again.
Who is interested in overcome the fear of death ? Only old people if you
ask me. If the movement is more interested in appealing to younger people, this
would be the wrong message, maybe promising 72 virgins might work better.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
With all due respect, the only person thrashing around in the water claiming to be drowning at sea is YOU, Buck. Everyone else seems to be having a pretty nice and agreeable time here on the new, improved FFL. YOU, on the other hand, are so desperate for someone to put down that you've been reduced to reposting conversations from FFL over on the The_Leak, hoping to get people to pile on and put this place down. To their credit, the folks over there seem to be ignoring you the same way people here are. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye The Wreck of The Fairfieldlife group atYahoo-groups..as like:The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald..Sad Cords of tribute to the dispossessed, the refugees of what was once a more kind and civil FFL, what was once an Old Ship of Zion, -Buck in Fairfield Iowa Merry Christmas to FFL and especially to all ourgone-away displaced FFL refugees who having fled the provocativehatred and bigotry that now so freely floods unchecked displayed on this forum. Merry Christmas to those who are now living elsewhere in other kinder places. Many have come and gone through FFL. Merry Christmas past, present and Christmas future to all who have visited and who may yet visit FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups.Jai Guru You, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo Dear Rick, As an old friend I reallyfeel that you should not just yield FairfieldLife [FFL] over to theculture of unkindness that has come to overrunning and now overtakenthe FairfieldLife [FFL] community on Yahoo-groups. Yep, asubstantial disciplined period of silence should be good for thewhole group. A little time-out quiet time.Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Andso from this principle of man's being silent, and not acting in the things ofGod of himself, until thus actuated by God's light and grace in the heart, didnaturally spring that manner of sitting silent together and waiting togetherupon God. As every one is thus gathered,and so met together inwardly in their spirits as well as outwardly in theirpersons, there the secret power and virtue of life is known to refresh the soul, and the pure motions and breathings of God's spiritare felt to arise. -BarclayApology 1678 _stanley@... wrote : Rick's not even answering the private email I sent him about this, so good luck getting him to address this here. Dear Rick, How about 12 Days of a Holiday Silence starting Christmas Day going in sync with Christendom up to the Epiphany, Jan 6th as are-starter for FFL? In so many ways this is the season of renewal, let FFL spiritually re-set itself in its own ephiphanaic time of inner silence, -Buck There is in fact a lot going on inFairfield, Iowa spiritually but those more substantial things getshared and said elsewhere and not much outside of Fairfield, Iowa. This forum should either be taken back orelse have its ruins more appropriately labeled and renamed to, The_Abyss. Bhairitu writes, Why don't you sharewhat's been going on in Fairfield? I even find your views andnews on farming interesting. Nope, posting to this forum of Rick'sany of a current of real things about Fairfield, Iowa and themeditating community here is too much like casting pearls before theswine or trying to turn a sow's ear in to a silk purse. - Buck inFairfield, Iowa Aryavazhi writes: Oh, Buck, they will not listen to you, don't you know? It is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them: They will not believe. Yes, butSon, We Shall Overcomeand walk hand in hand..I do feel. -Buck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo You can but warn such a one as follows the message and fears the most gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefor, good tidings, of forgiveness and a reward most generous. The word is proved true against the greater part of them: For they do not believe. We have put yokes round their necks up to their chins. So they cannot bow their heads. And we have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further. We have covered them up, so they cannot see. Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find thatRe-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middleway of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is verydescriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here.You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator Ishould feel categorically that we should not negotiate withterrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybillwrites :Buck- yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
I have never considered, even for a moment, posting on The_Leak. About once a week -- under the advice of my cop friend here in Leiden -- I do a quick search of the forum for my name and scan the list of posts at the top level to make sure neither Jim nor Nabby are continuing their illegal activities with regard to me and my family. That's why I noticed that Buck tried to start an argument over there -- and failed -- by reposting an exchange from FFL that never even escalated to argument level here. That exercise, though, is about the only contact I want with the group. The dynamic, as far as I can tell, is similar to the now-abandoned Batgap forum -- anyone can claim anything they want, and no one will ever challenge them. Newage (rhymes with sewage) laissez-faire, to the max. Not my kinda scene. As far as I can tell, there is no one there who could even *understand* the usual depth of your posts, much less respond to them in a way you'd find interesting. Just my opinion... From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence I have been thinking of going on the peaked, but there is already someone there who writes about experience similar to the way I do, so maybe it would not matter. I doubt you could get on the peaked with out a pseudonym because Jim was so annoyed that you would not recognise his 'enlightened status'. While I think he had some sort of profound experience, I think his ego co-opted it. The other problem with interpreting what Jim's experience was is he is not very articulate in expressing experiences in general, it's like trying to read a license plate on a fuzzy photograph. I notice Alex is over there now, they seem to be discussing various kinds of de-stressing prior to and following awakening, things I have experienced myself. In general the posts over there have a much higher woo factor than ones appearing here, such as this post from Jim: 'Just as we were magnetically attracted to Earth, does the same process continue, after we work out our karma here, but on another planet? Just as a for instance, perhaps we continue to have desires that cannot be fulfilled here, on Earth, and then gravitate towards another world where different 'laws of nature' predominate?' 'I am not all that interested in any alternatives to here, for quite awhile, though I am curious about the mechanics of it all, how life continues to evolve.' A good, clean realisation seems to have a zero wow factor, and is of a totally unexpected character. When I was younger I had more spectacular experiences, and while a glimpse of what I would call 'real' came through, they were mostly de-stressing and hallucinatory. Those sort of pie in the sky experiences though, seem like the kind that could be reported on the peaked that would stir up a discussion. Being around like-minded people tends to be more comfortable, but the intellect and sense of what is real also suffers when one is not challenged. Your challenges tend not to be intellectual arguments but more like a stone wall wherein one crashes upon. An absolute rejection of the point of view being expressed, and I think that can be an effective technique for unwinding woo, provided a person is not too stuck in the goo. I find it interesting that the groups on the peaked and here have settled into a less confrontational mode, and I think this has a lot to do with belief. People do not like to have cherished ideas ripped to shreds. It's Winter here, but no snow at the moment. Come Spring, I expect Jehovah's witnesses to come around with their pamphlets. I am typically cordial to them, and attempt to ask odd questions. I am thinking I could be more direct and just ask them why they want me to adopt their mythology. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Especially if the people reporting experience of the placebo feel that they're getting attention or pats on the back for reporting it. For example, the well-documented phenomenon in the Fairfield domes where someone reports a new experience, one that hasn't been mentioned before, and by week's end 20 other people are reporting that they've had that experience, too. And I think we all remember the was a certain former FFL member would react every time someone would report a new experience here. Not *only* would he report having had that same experience before, but he'd say that it was something he *used* to have, back a few years, but that he'd outgrown it now. So for him any reported experience became not only an opportunity to claim Me, too, it became an opportunity to claim Me, too, back when I was just starting...don't worry, someday you'll get past it, too, and become as evolved as I am, and thus assert his superiority. Presumably he's still doing the same
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
Him and Ravi Chivukula. Virtual supernovas in the celestial panorama of
consciousness.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
You forget, Jimmie was interviewed on BATGAP - that has to mean he is
enlightened, no?
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
I have been thinking of going on the peaked, but there is already someone
there who writes about experience similar to the way I do, so maybe it would
not matter. I doubt you could get on the peaked with out a pseudonym because
Jim was so annoyed that you would not recognise his 'enlightened status'. While
I think he had some sort of profound experience, I think his ego co-opted it.
The other problem with interpreting what Jim's experience was is he is not very
articulate in expressing experiences in general, it's like trying to read a
license plate on a fuzzy photograph.
I notice Alex is over there now, they seem to be discussing various kinds of
de-stressing prior to and following awakening, things I have experienced
myself. In general the posts over there have a much higher woo factor than ones
appearing here, such as this post from Jim:
'Just as we were magnetically attracted to Earth, does the same process
continue, after we work out our karma here, but on another planet? Just as a
for instance, perhaps we continue to have desires that cannot be fulfilled
here, on Earth, and then gravitate towards another world where different 'laws
of nature' predominate?'
'I am not all that interested in any alternatives to here, for quite awhile,
though I am curious about the mechanics of it all, how life continues to
evolve.'
A good, clean realisation seems to have a zero wow factor, and is of a totally
unexpected character. When I was younger I had more spectacular experiences,
and while a glimpse of what I would call 'real' came through, they were mostly
de-stressing and hallucinatory. Those sort of pie in the sky experiences
though, seem like the kind that could be reported on the peaked that would stir
up a discussion.
Being around like-minded people tends to be more comfortable, but the intellect
and sense of what is real also suffers when one is not challenged. Your
challenges tend not to be intellectual arguments but more like a stone wall
wherein one crashes upon. An absolute rejection of the point of view being
expressed, and I think that can be an effective technique for unwinding woo,
provided a person is not too stuck in the goo.
I find it interesting that the groups on the peaked and here have settled into
a less confrontational mode, and I think this has a lot to do with belief.
People do not like to have cherished ideas ripped to shreds. It's Winter here,
but no snow at the moment. Come Spring, I expect Jehovah's witnesses to come
around with their pamphlets. I am typically cordial to them, and attempt to ask
odd questions. I am thinking I could be more direct and just ask them why they
want me to adopt their mythology.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Especially if the people reporting experience of the placebo feel that they're
getting attention or pats on the back for reporting it. For example, the
well-documented phenomenon in the Fairfield domes where someone reports a new
experience, one that hasn't been mentioned before, and by week's end 20 other
people are reporting that they've had that experience, too.
And I think we all remember the was a certain former FFL member would react
every time someone would report a new experience here. Not *only* would he
report having had that same experience before, but he'd say that it was
something he *used* to have, back a few years, but that he'd outgrown it now.
So for him any reported experience became not only an opportunity to claim Me,
too, it became an opportunity to claim Me, too, back when I was just
starting...don't worry, someday you'll get past it, too, and become as evolved
as I am, and thus assert his superiority. Presumably he's still doing the
same thing on his new group.
What I've always wished someone would do is MAKE UP a new experience, and
then either report it in the domes or post it on The_Leak, and then sit back
and watch how long it is until others start piling on and claiming to have
had the same experience themselves. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
Interesting that Rick finally yanked the Ravi video. I remember we (Rick and I)
had a discussion about it on FFL once, and I was a proponent of leaving it up,
*as a cautionary tale* of how badly Rick could fuck up and be taken in with
regard to who is enlightened and who is not.
I suggested that he leave the video up, but comment on it as I have above. Last
I heard, that is what he had done.
Too bad in many ways that it's no longer available. He was quite the loon. But
more important, because of Rick he became for a short time a loon with a forum,
and a loon with an audience for whom to act loony.
That's very dangerous, and I still feel some kind of record of that should have
been left.
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
And, on some hard drive somewhere, I have an .FLV file of it that I never
once watched.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote :
Ravi's video was pulled, so I never saw it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Like as not, a lot of people ARE in CC (whether via the practice of TM, or just because) but don't see it as a big deal because, as MMY points out, it is merely normal. Of course, the sine qua non of CC is that one has PC even during deep sleep, so perhaps that is lacking in many people... I have the opposite issue: witnessing sleep has been around almost continuously (except during a few life-threatening illnesses over the decades) within a few weeks that I first learned TM. It's the waking state integration that appears to be lacking, although... When I inadvertently went off prozac abruptly a few years ago, and had 12 hours of non-stop, viciously and horrifically violent suicidal ideation, I still had permanent presence of pure sense-of-self that was untouched by the rather Grade-Z horror movie continuously running through my mind, and I never felt an urge to act on any of that stuff. ...I'd prefer to think that I'm not really in CC rather than CC being THIS useless as a higher state of consciousness. With all due respect, in pursuit of your I prefer to think fantasies, it seems to me that you're ignoring a third (and far more likely) possibility. Namely, that witnessing sleep, which MMY made so much of, has *absolutely nothing to do with higher states of consciousness*. It's just something that happens. To people who meditate, and to people who don't. And it means nothing in terms of state of consciousness, in either group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
Um...here's a question for you, Lawson.
In subjects who self-report as experiencing 24/7 witnessing, did this
physiological measurement you call pure consciousness or PC appear when
they were meditating? If so, did it *also* disappear when they began thinking
other thoughts and transitioned out of it?
The reason I ask is that if it didn't persist at all times (and, of course,
they're telling the truth about their experiences and right about what they
mean), then what you're measuring is NOT PC as defined by Maharishi. It's
something else. We know this because his definitions of CC were that PC
persists at all times, whether one is having thoughts or activity or not.
So if the state you're calling PC doesn't persist in your supposed CC
subjects, then either 1) what you're measuring isn't PC but something else, 2)
the people claiming to be in CC aren't, or 3) both.
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
Um, ok...
The most detailed research on pure consciousness showed that the subject didn't
press a button signalling that they had had a PC episode until *after* their
physiology reverted to normal.
They didn't notice PC. They noticed the transition *out of* PC.
But whatever.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
But as you said, of course, transcendence has nothing to do with either having
a thought, or having no thought. It is not a physiological signature, as some
keep telling here, a physiological signature, can only relate to a particular
experience, and any experience is by the mind.
Actually, sensory experiences happen because raw sensory data comes into the
brain via the thalamus and is routed to the cortext via connections called
thalamo-cortical feedback loops.
Internal thinking is perceived when processed data from the cortex is fed back
to the thalamus and merged into the incoming raw sensory data. This is called
thinking.
The process of transcending is when the activity of the thalamus becomes less
and so the funneling of raw sensory data and/or the merging of processed data
becomes less. This happens whenever one allows the mind to wander but is
facilitated by what we call Transcendental Meditation.
Which is not the same as you describe below, it maybe less, but is not zero.
When the thalamus no longer allows ANY data to come in from the outside and no
longer allows ANY processed data to be merged with the (now non-existent) raw
data stream, and yet the part of the thalamus that promotes the connectivity
between distant parts of the cortex remains functioning normally, one has no
internal experience, no external experience--that is, nt thoughts--and yet the
brain is still alert.
This is samadhi.
In TM what you experience of TC is not fully alert. When you are fully aware,
you already have a thought.
It's not samadhi. Real samadhi is when the kundalini rises to the top chakra.
And it certainly has a physiological signature: I just described it.
There is a physiological signature, but it has nothing to do with samadhi, it
is only your imagination
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Chinese Food Day!
Chinese restaurant scene - Fa ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra
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From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Chinese Food Day!
It's true. Everyone eats Chinese food on Christmas.
Maybe a bit of hyperbole on the everyone bit. I wonder if any are open
around here? Might make a good follow-up to yesterday's lentil soup, smoky egg
dip and wine tasting routine.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/24/smallbusiness/chinese-food-christmas/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ragnorak
Terrible film. Low budget (which isn't always bad) and uninspired (which is).
Obviously, for Sofia Helin it was a way to make a quick thousand bucks before
she got famous for The Bridge.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ragnorak
Thanks for this recommendation. As you knew I would, I had to look it up in
the IMDB and as a result You had me at Sofia Helin. :-) Already downloaded,
and I'll try to watch it sometime during this Xmas vacation period.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ragnorak
Speaking of old tales, the Scandinavian film Ragnorak is available on
Netflix WI. This is a tale about a small group of people who travel to
a remote part of Scandinavia to find out what happened to a group of
Vikings over 1000 years ago and what they encountered on a small island
in a lake. It's a sci-fi fantasy film and very well done. Plus some of
you will recognize the lead actress in the film. ;-) '
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Interview
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I drove up to the top of the hill where my local theater is and the
parking lot was full but hard to say if it was mostly for The Interview since
it has 8 screens and they had originally booked The Interview anyway. That's
the other thing is some of these theaters probably had booked it and had to
scramble to get something else when Sony pulled it. The movie's target
audience is for bored college kids who don't want to stick around the house
Christmas day or the next few days and join their friends at a movie.
I was surprised at plans my relatives (older in their 50s) had to go see
movies but then they don't have a home theater as I do. I attended only one
movie this past year and that was Lucy. That was because I knew that company
would not have it out on Blu-ray anytime soon. I was right, I saw it back int
the summer and it just released on BD, DVD and streaming.
However, at Turqs splendid recommendation I watch 4 episodes of The Honorable
Woman on Netflix. I may finish it off tonight. It's a great series BTW.
Glad you liked it. It was one of the great TV productions of this year.
If you didn't catch the previous six episodes of Charlie Brooker's Black
Mirror, you should. It's a very intelligent examination of the many ways that
technology can and will influence our lives. If you saw the first two seasons,
I hear that Netflix is running them all again, with a new White Christmas
Special starring Jon Hamm. It's excellent.
On 12/25/2014 05:20 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Saw the flick today and thought, there is no way this past weeks' events
were not a publicity stunt to attract viewers. It was funny and I do like Seth
Rogen/James Franco movies but please, it just seems so obvious. If it was a
stunt, damn, it was a good one because the theater was packed and the audience
seemed to like it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs....
I really don't know, either. I never developed sufficient fluency in French to
master them all. But a scan of Yahoo Answers tells me there are 24 verb tenses
in French. It's just that when you're trying to learn them it seems like
thousands. :-)
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs
The tenses of French, being a romance language, came from the original
Latin.
Are there new French tenses not present in Latin (not knowing, just asking)?
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I think tenses could be reduced for present-centred people.
She is/isn't singing.
Because there is memory and in dealing with life there is the need to
anticipate sometimes, there are two variants:
In memory she is/isn't singing.
In imagination she is/isn't singing hence.
All the other possible tenses are loops in the mind when it creates additional
imaginary states from these three.
Interesting. I haven't thought this through, and am just winging this reply for
the fun of it, but I'm not convinced I could make do with only these three
tenses.
It seems to me that the statement In memory she is singing wouldn't be
sufficient because it implies (at least to me) a single snapshot of time.
It's like when I hear this construction I imagine myself mentally taking the
Is she singing? test engine back to a certain moment in time, turning it on
long enough to determine whether or not she is singing, and then turning it off
again. This is useful for conveying whether or not she is singing, but not so
good for conveying a sense of the song.
A song isn't a snapshot; it's a series of them, heard in sequence. It exists
over time. One of the things I actually like about French and all of its
(seemingly) thousands of verb tenses is that they can be used to imply the
passage of time. Did the event happen *solely* in the past? Or did it start in
the past and continue to the present?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Many people marvel at all the tenses there are in other languages, but in fact,
medieval scholars revised English to ensure that every Latin tense could be
translated properly to English. You may or may not use them in your daily
language, but they're all there, by design:
How to Translate Verbs
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in English Idiom present imperative active cane! canite! sing! (one of you)
sing! (you all) present indicative active canit | |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com S3: What you (B..) miss is that the story of the Virgin Birth is simply one of a series of miraculous births that crop up in other myths across cultures. Including, among many, King Janaka (of Upanishadic and Ashtavakara Gita fame), when conducting a yagya in a field hears a voice from the sky -- and expressed a desire for child -- and upon finding a child in a furrow, the voice says the infant is a spiritual child, Sita (destined to be Rama's wife and whom some view as the counter part to Rama as Shakti is to Shiva, the energy of the manifest universe). S3: It's the deeper message they carry that is powerful as it activates levels of the self not touched by a merely fictional character. While I don't wish to continue harping on this subject, I do wish to point out that it's *exactly* this deeper message that I object to with regard to virgin birth or miraculous birth myths. The message is, This person is 'special'. He or she is *not like you*. You can never hope to achieve the fantastic things this person has achieved, because you're not 'special' the way he or she was. This is pretty much the *opposite* message that any approach to self realization should be taking IMO. It's *exclusive*, as opposed to *inclusive*. While sympathetic and at time sharing a similar view, by what epistemolgical means do you (does one have to) begin to valid such a view? Jung and Campbell (sacred cows?) may have had a field day milking that theme, but is it simple mythical milk from cows such as Kamadhenu the mother of all cows, who provides its owner whatever is desired, or Audhumbla norse cow who licked a melting block of ice at the beginning of time and caused a man to appear? . S3: (I can't tell you exactly what the deep message is. Why? Because if it could be expressed in prosaic language we wouldn't need to bother with myths!) Similar can occur with listening to sacred music / chants from traditional (long surviving) cultures. it can induce some insight hard(er) to express, but yet seemingly inducing some new insights, perhaps new synaptic connections or at least inner spark (or light bulb in head metaphor). What is the validity of such insights? Back to the cows above. However, if listening to such myths or rhythms /sounds (or seeing forms and colors in art) indeed do (supposition, but it feels like that is happening) induce new synapses (or lowers activation potential of existing synapses and enables more enduring, longer, more sophisticated connections in the brain) then that may be sufficient reward / justification for indulging MMA (see below). That is, the myths, sounds, art (mythical, mystical arts (MMA) ), may structure a new (or age old, yet currently untapped potential) style of functioning of the nervous system (jeez did I actually say that out loud). Daniel Kaneman (Nobel Prize winner (economics) for work in cognitive sciences) argues, “intuition is [pattern] recognition.” Might MMA help structure a style of functioning that increases recognition of deeper levels of patterns in nature / life / consciousness? Turq: I had forgotten how attached people can get to their fictional characters.: S3: That's cute coming from a dedicated fan of Sherlock! S3: Why such stories are so appealing (to most of us, if not for others such as yourself) is an intriguing question. Perhaps the attachment comes from those characters reflecting some strands of MMA that induce some amount of familiarity or recognition of deeper patterns in human nature. Turq: I should probably consider myself lucky that you didn't consider my presentation of an alternative Santa Claus: S3: Well, Santa is a bit of a bore - unless you're 5 years old (and even then). Yet Santa is also a mythical beast -- with long standing stand-ins across many cultures. S3: But these characters of myth are not *fictional* characters. Indeed in the case of those like Mary and Jesus they are real people whose life stories have been submerged under a mythology. Are you suggesting all characters in myths (must definitionally) have a basis as actual historical people? I doubt it (though its interesting, for 5 seconds, to contemplate such). If not, what is the import of Jesus and Mary having or not having a historical basis (there are interesting counter arguments, such as the lack of any / much observations of a Jesus/Mary in contemporaries during their lives at temporary). S3: The difference? Myths emerge from the collective unconscious (whatever that means!) whereas fiction is a conscious creation. As an example, traditional fairy stories can carry some of the disturbing other-worldliness of myth; Raw, original fairy tales can be (are) holy shit scary. And this is good for kids? I am not arguing pro or con, but it is a bit surprising that scaring the holy crap out of kids is a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Crimbo! [1 Attachment]
Perfect. And far less fattening than the chocolate iPad I got. :-)
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Crimbo!
Merry Christmas y'all!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Funny video
We should try this method on the people who *make* the news, now that its
efficacy has been demonstrated on those who report it.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Funny video
Merry christmas to all members and lurkers of FFL and a happy new year in
advance. Here a method is displayed to lighten up, overly serious BBC reporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzAhOxtLLI
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[FairfieldLife] A Social Media First Christmas
Mary and Joseph on Facebook - Social Media Christmas | | | | | | | | | | | Mary and Joseph on Facebook - Social Media Christmas | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Social Media First Christmas
I tip my hat to whoever created this, for several reasons: * It's perceptive, in that it gets the dynamics of Facebook and how relationships play out on that social medium. * It's wise, in that it gets the complex emotional relationships between the various Facebook Friends involved in this scenario. * It's *respectful*, in the same way that Christopher Moore's Lamb: The Gospel According To Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal is respectful. Chris didn't change a *thing* from the original stories. He just brought his unique storytelling abilities and sense of humor to retelling them. * It's not afraid to be funny. See below, re the two jokes you caught. See above, re Biff. The fascinating thing is that it's the same story, whatever the social medium. If Luke or Matthew had been Facebook users, couldn't they have created their gospels this same way? Mary and Joseph on Facebook - Social Media Christmas | | | | | | | | | | | Mary and Joseph on Facebook - Social Media Christmas | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Social Media First Christmas Great, funny, I liked '23 unfriended Joseph', and 'Cesar Augustus created an event'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
Much better reply. I'm not going to argue with any of it, because I'm really NOT into arguing, especially about subjects that are purely a matter of opinion/belief and can never be resolved. The only reason I replied earlier was my surprise at you characterizing my posting of Valerie's article as tacky or exhibiting a low level of consciousness, simply because (from my point of view) you didn't *like* my or Valerie's point of view on the subject matter. I am just making the case that we are *allowed* to view Biblical events/myths from different points of view from the ones that Jews or Christians prefer. *They* are allowed to continue with their in the box points of view. I don't think that *either* of these points of view is the truth and don't think I ever suggested that. It isn't reducing the story of Christ's birth to introduce the issue of sexism and male power over women into it; it's *expanding* that story, and seeing other sides of it. As you suggest below, you view the metaphor of the virgin birth (or miraculous birth) as inspiring or uplifting. I can see other sides of it, not least of which is the attempt to portray the Messiah as being not really human, and not really born as the result of sex. I think that's a BAD teaching to imply, just as I similarly think that bhaktified versions of Buddha's birth to make him seem less human and make his birth seem more miraculous is a BAD teaching. No one could have gone out of his way more to say that he *was* an ordinary human being with no special birth or powers than the original Buddha, so in the case of devotees trying to make his birth seem more miraculous, I would suggest they are actually *distorting and perverting* his teachings. I feel similarly to the tacking on of the virgin birth to the Christ myth. While I understand why devotees may have done this, I think that in so doing they created a weaker and less admirable being in the supposedly supernatural Christ than possibly existed in the completely human Christ. I'm not the only person to feel this way, that the myths attached to Christ's story had little to do with his message. Here is an interesting exchange between historian Resa Aslan and a number of other historians and theologians about the differing interpretations of Christ's life. I like one quote early in the exchange, which seems to me to really get this mythification process: The 'Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth' author argues that a tension exists between the historical and theological narratives of Jesus, as 'many Christians would say Jesus fulfilled' the prophecies detailed in the Bible, while 'many historians would say Jesus' life was crafted so that it would fulfill these prophecies.'Reza Aslan And Theological Scholar Spar Over History Of Jesus | | | | | | | | | | | Reza Aslan And Theological Scholar Spar Over History Of Je...The different historical and religious interpretations of Jesus are general... | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Re I had forgotten how attached people can get to their fictional characters.: That's cute coming from a dedicated fan of Sherlock! Re I should probably consider myself lucky that you didn't consider my presentation of an alternative Santa Claus: Well, Santa is a bit of a bore - unless you're 5 years old (and even then). But these characters of myth are not *fictional* characters. Indeed in the case of those like Mary and Jesus they are real people whose life stories have been submerged under a mythology. The difference? Myths emerge from the collective unconscious (whatever that means!) whereas fiction is a conscious creation. As an example, traditional fairy stories can carry some of the disturbing other-worldliness of myth; but modern re-workings of fairy stories, like those of Angela Carter, though they can be superb stories are too in debt to the writer's surface prejudices and biases to tap that deeper level. What you (Barry) miss is that the story of the Virgin Birth is simply one of a series of miraculous births that crop up in other myths across cultures. It's the deeper message they carry that is powerful as it activates levels of the self not touched by a merely fictional character. (I can't tell you exactly what the deep message is. Why? Because if it could be expressed in prosaic language we wouldn't need to bother with myths!) From the web: About 2,000 years before the Christian era Mut-em-ua, the virgin Queen of Egypt, was said to have given birth to the Pharaoh Amenkept, who built the temple of Luxor, on the walls of which were represented: 1) The Annunciation: the god Taht announcing to the
Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
I can't say that this held my attention long enough to finish it, but I did
like his insight that the nature of desire -- especially in the context of
desiring enlightenment -- was to perpetuate desire itself.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
Transcendence as a commodity, through the example of coke and the kinder
surprise egg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vydwrn_TQow
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
Yup. The TMO was selling access to something that *is going on at all times,
for everyone*, and marketing it as if it were something new.
To me, transcendence simply means looking past the distractions that we have
invented to convince ourselves that total silence is NOT present at every
moment.
At first we undistract ourselves only for a few moments, and the distractions
are so addicting that many don't even notice these moments. As you say, it
sometimes takes an extended period of thoughtless samadhi (several minutes or
hours) before one notices it, recognizes it as transcendence, slaps oneself
on the forehead, and recognizes that it has been present all along.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
It's more like a fun thing, but it does contain some good insights.
The part about the surprise egg, starts at min 3, and here the point is an
extension of what he said earlier, here his point is that the actual consumer
good is the chocolate at the surface, the surface, while the plastic toy in the
middle, which is in the 'void' of the egg, is just a cheap plastic thingie,
which sort of resembles the higher value. These things are actually known since
long by marketing psychology, but they show how our mind works, and that's very
true for spirituality or religion as well.
You could argue in a similar way, that a special experience, that of
transcending thought, is marketed by the TMO as the attainment of
transcendence, but in reality, that is just the idea connected with it. To
attain real samadhi, it would have to last longer, and it would have to be
really fully conscious, that's IMO. #yiv2683994543 #yiv2683994543 --
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
This subject (transcendence hiding in plain sight) reminds me of a rap I used
to use back when I was still teaching meditation to explain how I viewed the
phenomenon of transcendence.
Interestingly enough, in the incident I describe in my true teaching story,
the trigger event that reminded me that silence (transcendence) was always
already present was a stick of dynamite exploding. Since I already wrote this
up a couple of years ago, I won't bother rewriting it now:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316629
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
Yup. The TMO was selling access to something that *is going on at all
times, for everyone*, and marketing it as if it were something new.
To me, transcendence simply means looking past the distractions that we have
invented to convince ourselves that total silence is NOT present at every
moment.
At first we undistract ourselves only for a few moments, and the distractions
are so addicting that many don't even notice these moments. As you say, it
sometimes takes an extended period of thoughtless samadhi (several minutes or
hours) before one notices it, recognizes it as transcendence, slaps oneself
on the forehead, and recognizes that it has been present all along.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The real nature of transcendence
It's more like a fun thing, but it does contain some good insights.
The part about the surprise egg, starts at min 3, and here the point is an
extension of what he said earlier, here his point is that the actual consumer
good is the chocolate at the surface, the surface, while the plastic toy in the
middle, which is in the 'void' of the egg, is just a cheap plastic thingie,
which sort of resembles the higher value. These things are actually known since
long by marketing psychology, but they show how our mind works, and that's very
true for spirituality or religion as well.
You could argue in a similar way, that a special experience, that of
transcending thought, is marketed by the TMO as the attainment of
transcendence, but in reality, that is just the idea connected with it. To
attain real samadhi, it would have to last longer, and it would have to be
really fully conscious, that's IMO.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tenses in English vs....
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I think tenses could be reduced for present-centred people.
She is/isn't singing.
Because there is memory and in dealing with life there is the need to
anticipate sometimes, there are two variants:
In memory she is/isn't singing.
In imagination she is/isn't singing hence.
All the other possible tenses are loops in the mind when it creates additional
imaginary states from these three.
Interesting. I haven't thought this through, and am just winging this reply for
the fun of it, but I'm not convinced I could make do with only these three
tenses.
It seems to me that the statement In memory she is singing wouldn't be
sufficient because it implies (at least to me) a single snapshot of time.
It's like when I hear this construction I imagine myself mentally taking the
Is she singing? test engine back to a certain moment in time, turning it on
long enough to determine whether or not she is singing, and then turning it off
again. This is useful for conveying whether or not she is singing, but not so
good for conveying a sense of the song.
A song isn't a snapshot; it's a series of them, heard in sequence. It exists
over time. One of the things I actually like about French and all of its
(seemingly) thousands of verb tenses is that they can be used to imply the
passage of time. Did the event happen *solely* in the past? Or did it start in
the past and continue to the present?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Many people marvel at all the tenses there are in other languages, but in fact,
medieval scholars revised English to ensure that every Latin tense could be
translated properly to English. You may or may not use them in your daily
language, but they're all there, by design:
How to Translate Verbs
| |
| | How to Translate Verbs Description of Form Latin Form Translation(s)
in English Idiom present imperative active cane! canite! sing! (one of you)
sing! (you all) present indicative active canit | |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
I just stumbled upon this article about virgin births, and figured I just had to post it, given the thread so far. It contains at least one shocking statistic: The virgin birth, despite its impossible paradoxes, is still very much with us. According to a recent longitudinal study published in the British Medical Journal, there were 45 virgin births reported in the United States between 1995 and 2008. Nearly .5% of the sample claimed divine intervention, not sex, as the source of their pregnancy. It also contains an equally shocking insight into the virgin birth phenomenon as we know it more from history: Virgins have given birth to the godheads of nearly every major religion. But it's a particular kind of motherhood: these mythical virgins never give birth to other women, and in the rare cases when they give birth to mortals, the men are far from ordinary. The History of Virgin Births | | | | | | | | | | | The History of Virgin BirthsZebedee spends her days largely alone, nervously swimming in a clear aquarium, there for the entertainment of tourists dining at Abu Dubai's Burj Al Arab hotel. Sur... | | | | View on jezebel.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Re I had forgotten how attached people can get to their fictional characters.: That's cute coming from a dedicated fan of Sherlock! Re I should probably consider myself lucky that you didn't consider my presentation of an alternative Santa Claus: Well, Santa is a bit of a bore - unless you're 5 years old (and even then). But these characters of myth are not *fictional* characters. Indeed in the case of those like Mary and Jesus they are real people whose life stories have been submerged under a mythology. The difference? Myths emerge from the collective unconscious (whatever that means!) whereas fiction is a conscious creation. As an example, traditional fairy stories can carry some of the disturbing other-worldliness of myth; but modern re-workings of fairy stories, like those of Angela Carter, though they can be superb stories are too in debt to the writer's surface prejudices and biases to tap that deeper level. What you (Barry) miss is that the story of the Virgin Birth is simply one of a series of miraculous births that crop up in other myths across cultures. It's the deeper message they carry that is powerful as it activates levels of the self not touched by a merely fictional character. (I can't tell you exactly what the deep message is. Why? Because if it could be expressed in prosaic language we wouldn't need to bother with myths!) From the web: About 2,000 years before the Christian era Mut-em-ua, the virgin Queen of Egypt, was said to have given birth to the Pharaoh Amenkept, who built the temple of Luxor, on the walls of which were represented: 1) The Annunciation: the god Taht announcing to the virgin Queen that she is about to become a mother. 2) The Immaculate Conception: the god Kneph (the holy spirit) mystically impregnating the virgin by holding a cross, the symbol of life, to her mouth. 3) The Birth of the Man-god. 4) The Adoration of the newly born infant by gods and men, including three kings (or Magi?), who are offering him gifts. In this sculpture the cross again appears as a symbol. Why such stories are so appealing (to most of us, if not for others such as yourself) is an intriguing question. The point of my original response is that to reduce that appeal to a rape-narrative, as your linked article did, is just the kind of move that makes me despair of all kinds of reductionism, and is no doubt why I'm more drawn to idealist (mind-dependent) philosophies than to materialist ones. I'm top-down rather than bottom-up as they say. Even if I turn out to be wrong about that at least, like Oscar Wilde, while I've been lying in the gutter I've also been looking at the stars. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : awakens our From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I see you're in troll mode today. Me? YOU are the one replying to a post that wasn't sent to you, just so you can dump on me. :-) Re Reposted it in case someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't: Define intelligent. I wasn't exactly having a rant! Re I'm sorry you thought my post was tacky. I think your reply was somewhat more so.: You think wrong. Whatever. What probably misled me was you calling my alternative take on a fictional character a slur. I had forgotten how attached people can get to their fictional characters. I should probably consider myself lucky that you didn't consider my presentation of an alternate Santa Claus a slur against *his* good name and go
Re: [FairfieldLife] Now we know why NEO is so bad
Although I am a college grad (B.A. in English), your post made me think back to
a time at ILOG in France in which some HR geek from the company pointed out to
me at a large convention (with some derision) that I was the only person in the
company without a Ph.D.
I got a chance to remind him of that later during the convention, when it
became obvious that the only person in the building who had suggested out loud
that it really *wasn't* a good idea to rip off the entire interface of a
Microsoft product and pass it off as your own was me.
Yes, they really did that, and yes, the *only* person in the building who was
on record as having spoken up about it and having told them not to do it was
me. If the Microsoft rep who spotted it on a screen in our booth hadn't had a
sense of humor and told them to take it down and never display it in public
again, these Ph.D.'s assumption that they knew it all could have cost the
company millions of dollars, or its very existence.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Now we know why NEO is so bad
It was designed by a bunch of college grads:
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/23/gwyneth_paltrow_reportedly_not_educated_enough_for_marissa_mayer/
A college degree or education won't make you a great programmer any more
than a college degree in music will make you a great musician. I know
many a college dropout who has done well in life. I also know people
with advanced degrees who don't know their field very well at all. Hey,
but they have those letters after their name. Yup, a degree doesn't say
much especially if you graduated with a C- average.
In the computer science field, very few colleges were teaching it right
until about 2000. I even sat on a an computer science advisory board
for one college where the profs, scared of losing their tenure, needed
help with setting up a curriculum that would get their graduates jobs.
By the mid 1990s programming in Pascal was not going to cut it. I hired
more people who were self taught out of books and magazines than folks
with a computer science degree. These people were very productive.
I'm not against education by any means but I have for colleges being
about getting an eduction and not just a piece of paper.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I see you're in troll mode today. Me? YOU are the one replying to a post that wasn't sent to you, just so you can dump on me. :-) Re Reposted it in case someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't: Define intelligent. I wasn't exactly having a rant! Re I'm sorry you thought my post was tacky. I think your reply was somewhat more so.: You think wrong. Whatever. What probably misled me was you calling my alternative take on a fictional character a slur. I had forgotten how attached people can get to their fictional characters. I should probably consider myself lucky that you didn't consider my presentation of an alternate Santa Claus a slur against *his* good name and go ballistic about that as well. :-) Re As you actually imply in your reply, s3raphita, she should have looked at being told she was about to get knocked up by god as a unique, world-historical privilege. You don't see a little MALE privilege built into this concept?: The idea that if a god makes a move on a human they are *equal* partners is a little naive. Gods have privileges denied to lesser mortals. Not so sure about the MALE bit either. In the legend of Hippolytus, Aphrodite is the cause of his death. He scorned the worship of Aphrodite, preferring Artemis. Aphrodite caused his stepmother, Phaedra, to fall in love with him, knowing Hippolytus would reject her. This led to Phaedra's suicide, and the death of Hippolytus. So goddesses can be bitches just as gods can be pigs. Hint: gods and goddesses are fictional. So are the Bible stories and myths you're describing. HOWEVER, they have import for the people who read them AS stories. The story is, in fact, what they remember, not that it's a metaphor for something. So when you've got gods and goddesses treating themselves like masters and treating the humans they interact with as their slaves, that *story* -- that relationship -- leaves an impression. I am suggesting there is something wrong with the basic stories. You seem just fine with them. I would write this off as different strokes for different folks and forget it, except that you *also* seem fine with the idea that Mary *should* feel grateful and privileged for being selected as a brood mare for a god in one of these stories. I kinda think that this attitude -- coming as it does *from* a woman -- kinda proves my point. The story had lasting impact on those who heard it, and I'm not convinced that the lasting impact was a good one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I found time to read a Babelfished version of the German article, and found it interesting. But not interesting enough to really comment on. Thanks, though for your comments, and the invitation to a discussion. Trouble is, I am the furthest person you have ever met from a Biblical scholar, or even a person with any interest in the Bible. It's not that I haven't read it; it's that I have, and don't have the slightest desire to *ever* read it again. So although I can see that the changing views over time of these various books of the Bible, influenced by the politics and the social forces of various eras, would be fascinating to those who know those books, it isn't fascinating to me because I don't. To clarify about my unwillingness to correct this deficiency and learn more about the Bible, it's more a preference issue for me than it is a religious/atheist issue. I still read the occasional spiritual work for purposes of inspiration. The issue is that I'm just not *inspired* by most of the stories in the Bible. They just don't turn me on or resonate with my inner being. They often seem simplistic or obvious or distasteful or all of the above. If I were looking to read things that are regarded as scriptures and actually be *inspired* by them, I'd have to turn to Tibetan works, or Native American shaman tales. Or old Celtic or Norse myths. I don't know why this is. I just can't get it up for *any* of the three major Middle Eastern monotheist religions, or their scriptures. Given how all three have turned out over these last 2-3 millennia, I'm not exactly drawn to them as a source of wisdom. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com || || || https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-... | | | View on fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.aka...|Preview by Yahoo | || It may be a basic flaw in my character, but somehow the thought that I might be pissing off someone who has been dead for a couple of millennia doesn't really strike fear into my heart. Heck, I know people who are terrified that they might do something that pisses off someone who died 8 years ago (MMY) or 16 years ago (Fred Lenz-Rama). I don't know about you, but living in fear of what someone...uh...dead might do to you if you piss them off doesn't strike me as...uh...living.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period You know that was tongue-in-cheek, right? You never can tell around here. :-) I was hoping it was, but just in case felt the need to riff on it anyway. There really ARE people on this forum (or at least were until the recent exodus) who are still terrified of doing something that would piss off Maharishi, because they firmly believe that if they do, BAD THINGS will happen to them -- either in this life or the afterlife. I really DO know people from the Fred Lenz-Rama trip who actually believe the same thing. They are still (16 years later) afraid to say anything critical about him because they're afraid that he'll fuck up their afterlife. I would say Go figure and write these examples off as statistical outliers -- anomalies from fringe cults. But when you think about it, isn't trying to control people's behavior in this life by telling them the horrible things that God or Jeezuz or whoever will do to people who piss them off in the next life the whole *basis* of religions like Christianity and Judaism? The fascinating thing to me is that anyone, anytime, anywhere actually bought into this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ragnorak
Thanks for this recommendation. As you knew I would, I had to look it up in the
IMDB and as a result You had me at Sofia Helin. :-) Already downloaded, and
I'll try to watch it sometime during this Xmas vacation period.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ragnorak
Speaking of old tales, the Scandinavian film Ragnorak is available on
Netflix WI. This is a tale about a small group of people who travel to
a remote part of Scandinavia to find out what happened to a group of
Vikings over 1000 years ago and what they encountered on a small island
in a lake. It's a sci-fi fantasy film and very well done. Plus some of
you will recognize the lead actress in the film. ;-) '
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I merely found an interesting and provocative article, and reposted it in case someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't. From the article: Many Christians are surprised when told that nowhere in the Bible, either Old Testament or New, does any writer say that a woman’s consent is necessary or even desirable before sex. *** I'm going to follow up on this, because 1) it's part of a pattern I see on FFL, 2) it ties in with other posts I've made here, and similar reactions to them, and 3) I'm a little surprised that it's actually YOU doing the reacting this time, s3raphita. I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives. Thus I really *liked* Valerie Tarico's article. I think she brought up a valid and interesting point about religion, and not just Western or Christian religion -- that women have *zero* rights within those religions, at least when it comes to doing what they're told to do, by either gods, or people claiming to represent those gods. I *like* out of the box stuff like this. In fact, I recently made another post in which I touched on a (to me) similar subject: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/407749 That one got little action in terms of discussion, and for (I suspect) a similar reason -- it asked respondents to think outside the box, and approach a spiritual book (the Bhagavad-Gita) from a new perspective. My point in my post was similar to Valerie's in hers -- no one ever asked Arjuna's *permission* to tell him what to do. It was *expected* that because he was being talked to (not to mention talked down to) by a god or the representation of one on earth (Krishna) that he *HAD* to do what the god told him to do. Arjuna had no choice. He was, in fact, told that his discrimination and sense of compassion and right and wrong were CRAP, and that he should just dump that wimp thinking and go out and kill people, the way Krishna (his better) told him to. Now think about Valerie's article and Mary's story. Was she offered a *choice*? She was not. She was TOLD what to do by a god. And, like all people (male and female) in these scriptural stories, she just *did what she was told to do*. As you actually imply in your reply, s3raphita, she should have looked at being told she was about to get knocked up by god as a unique, world-historical privilege. You don't see a little MALE privilege built into this concept? Not to mention GOD privilege? Mary wasn't *asked* if she'd like to be a part of this; she was TOLD that it was gonna happen. As Valerie points out, she reacted to this by invoking the duties of a *slave* -- Behold the bond slave of the Lord; be it done to me. Is this *really* the relationship you feel a human being has to god -- slave to master? T'would seem that both Jehovah in his actions towards Mary and Krishna in his actions towards Arjuna feel that this is the nature of the relationship they have with these humans -- master-slave, with both Mary and Arjuna doing what they're told I'm sorry you thought my post was tacky. I think your reply was somewhat more so. Every so often I post a piece of my own writing here or forward someone else's that is *supposed* to challenge people's thinking and inspire them to discuss the tired old subjects we deal with on this forum in new and interesting ways. Some people obviously are more comfortable with the tired old ways, and that is their right -- they don't have to either read or reply to my out of the box posts. When they do, and by trying to put them down as tacky or demonstrating a low level of consciousness I interpret this as people trying to assert their supposed supremacy based on staying in the box and trying to demonize anyone who strays out of it. In other words, cult thinking. If anyone has the cojones to discuss out of the box subjects without trying to hit me with your box, I'm up for it... From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Wow! That's tacky. As we're about to celebrate one of the main events in the Christian calendar, to link the birth of Christ with rape culture shows a low level of consciousness. Thinking about it it does occur to me that I could turn your slur against you. The whole point of the Nativity narrative in Luke's gospel is to contrast the pomp and glory of worldly
[FairfieldLife] The Atheist Ten Commandments
Interesting article, one that I'm sure a few people with rather in the box ideas about who and what atheists are will skip without even reading, so I'll post the winning ten after the link, just for them. :-) Atheists Rewrite Ten Commandments, MythBusters’ Adam Savage Judged New Commands | | | | | | | | | | | Atheists Rewrite Ten Commandments, MythBusters’ Ada...Atheists have written their own version of the ten commandments. These commandments were chosen from submissions to Atheist Mind Humanist Heart’s (AMHH) | | | | View on www.inquisitr.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | 1. Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence. 2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true. 3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world. 4. Every person has the right to control over their body. 5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life. 6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them. 7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective. 8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations. 9. There is no one right way to live. 10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman rather eloquently deals with the rise of secularism and pooh-poohs the rather egotistic notion from modern atheists that THEY are responsible for it. He makes some valid points that reveal the political and sociological forces that have been working for many years to move people away from belief in religion and towards belief in more humanist philosophies. We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and the exploding new American secularism | | | | | | | | | | | We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill ...Religious right extremism, new atheists late-night mockery have religion on the run. American secularism's rising | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives.. I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow. And if you look at his analysis, it's all political. He says, that what is called 'Babylonean exile' was just concerning a few elite people who were taken there, away from palestine. When they were released from the exile, they tried to impose their own religion - that is basically, what they had adopted abroad, like monotheism in persia I think, so they came back as an elite, and tried to establish themselves by publishing some lawbooks - the pentateuch - weaving it in with some other, known and older stories, and establish the temple they were building, in Jerusalem, as the center of their power. There was a competing temple elsewhere, and they tried to fight, and I think destroyed the other temple. This is portrayed in the bible as the fight with other tribes, but it wasn't, it was really their own palestine people they were trying to rule, who hadn't followed to the exile. And it seems that Salomon had belonged to the other group. Again, the united the two groups of people by making Abraham the father of Jacob, but originally there were two tribes, one thinking themselves to be in the lineage of Abraham, the other's being the lineage of Jacob, but with this trick, they united the people. Not that I expected that the bible is historically acurate, but it still strikes me, how this emergence of it, the way it came to be, actually spans just a few centuries - if you think of the real long history of human beings on earth - it's just nothing. Of course these men made the rules to dominate their people in their time, and it reflects the social status of these people. In my opinion, this is all political. That is of course not only true for Judaism and Christianity - which was formed to be a state-religion by the Romans. But then in Hinduism, which is anyway more like a collection of religions, there I recently heard, that there is a version, where Ravanna is the good guy, and not Rama, there are temples
[FairfieldLife] Sump'n Claus
A holiday message for those who no longer feel comfortable believing in that Santa Claus guy with all his naughty or nice rule-based, dualistic thinking. Finally there is a hipper, more humanist guy, the Claus for the rest of us: Sump'n Claus - Saturday Night Live | | | | | | | | | | | Sump'n Claus - Saturday Night Live | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
Just to follow up, I found time to read a Babelfished version of the German article, and found it interesting. But not interesting enough to really comment on. Thanks, though for your comments, and the invitation to a discussion. Trouble is, I am the furthest person you have ever met from a Biblical scholar, or even a person with any interest in the Bible. It's not that I haven't read it; it's that I have, and don't have the slightest desire to *ever* read it again. So although I can see that the changing views over time of these various books of the Bible, influenced by the politics and the social forces of various eras, would be fascinating to those who know those books, it isn't fascinating to me because I don't. To clarify about my unwillingness to correct this deficiency and learn more about the Bible, it's more a preference issue for me than it is a religious/atheist issue. I still read the occasional spiritual work for purposes of inspiration. The issue is that I'm just not *inspired* by most of the stories in the Bible. They just don't turn me on or resonate with my inner being. They often seem simplistic or obvious or distasteful or all of the above. If I were looking to read things that are regarded as scriptures and actually be *inspired* by them, I'd have to turn to Tibetan works, or Native American shaman tales. Or old Celtic or Norse myths. I don't know why this is. I just can't get it up for *any* of the three major Middle Eastern monotheist religions, or their scriptures. Given how all three have turned out over these last 2-3 millennia, I'm not exactly drawn to them as a source of wisdom. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman rather eloquently deals with the rise of secularism and pooh-poohs the rather egotistic notion from modern atheists that THEY are responsible for it. He makes some valid points that reveal the political and sociological forces that have been working for many years to move people away from belief in religion and towards belief in more humanist philosophies. We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and the exploding new American secularism | | | | | | | | | | | We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill ...Religious right extremism, new atheists late-night mockery have religion on the run. American secularism's rising | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives.. I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow
Re: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
For the record, I've met a number of Indian mystics who wouldn't share the
opinion either. But we do have to keep in mind that Indians tend to have a bad
habit of hyperbole.
Tell me about it. If TM TBs only knew that what they know as the Absolute was
MMY's hyperbolic mistranslation into English of the Sanskrit word for better
than most stuff. :-)
On 12/22/2014 05:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
The Swami was obviously drunk or being paid to say that, if indeed he did
say it.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
Swami Lakshmanju
Swami Lakshmanju (1907–1991) was the last Acharya of the Kashmir Shaiva
Siddhanta tradition. Written accounts of conversations with Swami Lakshmanju
include the following comments about Maharishi:
If you ask me, Maharishi's teaching starts where mine ends and it goes from
there to Infinity. Then he added, Maharishi is the greatest saint to walk the
Earth in ten thousand years!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Views on Gita (was Love and God)
From: seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Views on Gita (was Love and God) Turquoise: Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. - Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. I am sorry that 99% of the out of the box experiences you had on this planet appeared to you as dead ends, and thus did not prove worthwhile. My experience has been otherwise. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts:1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That form was so overwhelming, Arjuna begged Krishna to return to his form as friend. Arjuna asked many questions. Having gained insight from Krishna's replies, Arjuna placed more weight on Krishna's value as an advisor. By the end, Arjuna had all his questions answered, felt from his own view, that Krishna was the real deal (for him, Arjuna) and had no qualms about taking the totality of Krishna's advice . So you're saying it's all OK if Arjuna drinks the Kool-Aid? 2) From your posts, I know you appreciate the role of metaphors. Many view the battlefield in the Gita as metaphor -- which does not validate -- but perhaps is worthy of consideration. It may be. But not my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
I'm down with this. It's got lots of numbers in it, so it must be true. From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl, I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 11th. I further suggest that the silence last for a full 108 seconds - from 11:58:13pm - 12:01am. This will renew FFL to its peak of bliss and harmony that it has previously been and will further remove all affects of the negative thoughts that have built up due to the refusal of the moderators in banning every opinion they did not like. Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to dowith Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped theFairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding ofnegativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. Itis time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife awayfrom that.Sincerely,-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find thatRe-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middleway of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is verydescriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here.You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator Ishould feel categorically that we should not negotiate withterrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybillwrites :Buck- yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence onFFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That newtitle would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to thehands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in aperiod of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on thehome page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quitetransparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea..but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus fromFFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a longperiod of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden timesof FFL.With Fond Regards,-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holidayin a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what wasonce a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a finetime to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFLtake a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet timemeditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm stepin communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonableasking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from themalignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you shouldjust suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
OK, since you've watched at least the first part of it now, I can talk about a couple of things I liked. (Those who haven't seen it and wish to preserve their innocence, there be SPOILERS afoot, so you might want to stop reading now.) It's always fun when a filmmaker plans what he hopes will be a surprise, and film reviewers and Net freaks don't manage to spoil it for the audiences. For example, the opening of Terminator 2, during which you were NOT supposed to know ahead of time that Arny was playing a good guy this time. If you hadn't seen spoilers beforehand, the opening of that film was *much* better. Same with Ascension. It opens in a society that is clearly 1960s -- the clothes, the music, the sensibilities of the characters, a bunch of young girls being trained as stewardesses, etc. All the action takes place within an environment (possibly a cruise ship) that clearly has class distinctions, because one of the young girls ventures to a lower deck and slums for a while, before evil things befall her. When the evil things, *do* happen, [SPOILERS START HERE] the camera is positioned above her, and then Elton John's Rocket Man starts playing on the soundtrack while a long (1 minute 30+seconds) tracking shot backs up from above her body and moves up, up, up through the various decks of this 1960s society until we finally reach a top deck with a viewing platform, and we get to see that all of this is taking place in space. So here's the part I thought was an interesting idea. One of the toughest things for a science fiction writer to pull off is depicting the *society* that would exist on a long, multi-generation space flight. Because such space voyages have always been imagined as being in the future, the societies (dress, customs, ways that people interact with each other, etc.) that writers have created have always been imaginary, some writer trying to conceive of what society might have evolved into by this time in the future. Ascension gets to play with something different. Its space voyage is populated by people who climbed on the spaceship and took off in 1963. So pretty much everything about their culture and society stopped evolving at that point. As a character says early in the first episode, the crew and settlers on this spaceship -- 50 years later, in *our* present day -- have become a world that never knew the Summer Of Love, Betty Frieden, The Autobiography of Malcom X, The Clash...fresh from Father Knows Best, exploring the universe. It's an interesting concept. As I've said before, it's not a great series, but it's clever, and they manage to take advantage of this 1960s American Society Shot Into Space concept pretty well. And suffice it to say that the reveals don't stop with finding out that they're in space. And besides, there is Tricia Helfer. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I watched the first episode on VUDU last night. They have it free and their HDX stream uses half again the bitrate that Netflix does and the picture is astounding. Got to say, I liked the first episode so I'm in for the remaining two on VUDU. Netflix streams 1080p at 6 mbps and VUDU at 9. You might have figured I would like it because the storyline is based on conspiracy theories. Yes, in case you didn't know it there are theories that the US actually sent a manned space craft with a community on board way back in the 1960s and that they set up bases on the Moon and Mars. Seems that writers have found conspiracy theorists more imaginative than they are. And people like stories based on them. After watching that I watched a little movie on Hulu+ called Shock Value. Now it is a horror dark comedy and well done. It's another one of these films that come out of Hollywood often made by members of crews on big films in between jobs. Shock Value is about a schlock horror director who witnesses a murder and gets the murderer to appear in his next movie with unexpected consequences. Speaking of streaming, catching up on TV news yesterday I read where Les Moonves, head of CBS, said that streaming may so be the future that they may consider selling off their TV stations and just going streaming. On 12/19/2014 11:12 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Check, because the first three episodes may be all of it. According to Wiki and IMDB the series consists of six one-hour episodes, but it was really broadcast on three consecutive nights as Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3, in two-hour (1 hour, 20 minutes without commercials) segments. So Hulu may be offering the whole thing. Again, not great, but I enjoyed seeing Tricia Helfer again, and I thought that one of the basic ideas (which we can discuss after you've seen it if you want) was very creative, and one that I don't remember seeing in SciFi before. It solves a lot of problems for the writer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...
You are correct that I wasn't watching this, nor was my five-year-old
partner-in-cinema-crime Maya, cuz neither of us have ever been particularly
turned on by Japanese anime.
I'm just commenting because your take on the lesbian reveal is IMO an almost
uniquely *American* take on it. Here in the Netherlands, no child over the age
of five needs the various forms that sexuality can take explained to them. Maya
has a family of five -- two moms, one dad, one weird uncle and herself -- and
so far none of her classmates have even commented on it. In her class, several
of her classmates have two daddies or two mommies. Sexual preference is not
only not a taboo subject, it's barely even an interesting one. The kids I've
talked to just *assume* that people can fall in love with someone of either
sex, or multiples.
If you are interested in how sexuality can be portrayed on a TV series as
background rather than foreground, you should check out Canada's Lost
Girl. It's *full* of alternative pairings, of various kinds, and what makes
them all work so well is that the writers and directors *never call attention
to them*. It feels just as natural to see the heroine Bo gettin' it on with a
guy as it does seeing her gettin' it on with a gal. As I've suggested before,
Lost Girl is the closest thing this generation of youths have to Buffy the
Vampire Slayer in terms of the depth of characterization and clever sense of
humor underlying the (admittedly) silly plots.
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...
Probably none of you ever saw the original Avatar: Last Airbender, and even
fewer watched the sequel, Avatar: the Legend of Korra, but you missed a truly
remarkable US TV event:
in the last scene of the series, Korra and her best friend Asami, who happens
to be the former girlfriend of Korra's former boyfriend, walk into the Spirit
World together, shyly holding hands with the last image being a face off of the
two as though they were making wedding vows.
While the two writers have NOT officially acknowledged the relationship,
apparently it was the source of much speculation in the final season of the
show as it was revealed that the only person who had received any letters from
Korra during her self-imposed exile was Asami, and one of the writers
referenced links to the fan-speculation and themed fan-fiction [called
korrasami] several times in his blogs.
Of course, two of the main characters of Sailor Moon were always overtly gay in
the original anime, but the American translation always referred to their
relationship as [kissing] cousins.
Even so, this was a huge step for American children's TV, even if it was only
acknowledged via heavy symbolism in the last minute of a children's series
that has been hailed as ground-breaking by reviewers for Salon, Forbes, and
The Atlantic.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...
I didn't mean to offend. I associate the phrase Japanese anime with a certain *style* of animation. I don't know how to describe it except as comic book-y. Scroll through examples (I assume screen shots) of what I mean here: Pictures Photos from The Legend of Korra (TV Series 2012– ) | | | | | | | | | | | Pictures Photos from The Legend of Korra (TV Series 20...The Legend of Korra (TV Series 2012– ) photos, including production stills, premiere photos and other event photos, publicity photos, behind-the-scenes, and more. | | | | View on www.imdb.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Maya and I are both fans of animated series. It's just that for whatever reason, neither of us is really fond of this style of animation. We prefer either the more realistic 3D animation work like in Frozen or some Disney films, or the more stylistic wonderfulness of Despicable Me. We both like the Kung Fu Panda movies and TV series, and she is as fond of Miyasaki's Spirited Away as I am, but we tend towards more (dare I say it) realistic animation. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, first off, the 2 avatar series are completely written and produced by Americans. They are animated in Korean animation houses, as much of Japanese (and American) animation is these days, but they're pure American in writing and acting and target audience. They're only anime in the sense of telling long-ruinning, fully-connected story lines via animation rather than live-action. Secondly, to say I'm not into Japanese animation is like saying I'm not into American television. It may be true, but the genre is every bit as varied for anime as American TV is. 30% of all bookstore sales in Japan are graphic novels and much of the anime genre is derived from those. When 30% of all potential income is from a specific style of story-telling, you can be sure that that style attracts its fair share of teh best writers in the business. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You are correct that I wasn't watching this, nor was my five-year-old partner-in-cinema-crime Maya, cuz neither of us have ever been particularly turned on by Japanese anime. I'm just commenting because your take on the lesbian reveal is IMO an almost uniquely *American* take on it. Here in the Netherlands, no child over the age of five needs the various forms that sexuality can take explained to them. Maya has a family of five -- two moms, one dad, one weird uncle and herself -- and so far none of her classmates have even commented on it. In her class, several of her classmates have two daddies or two mommies. Sexual preference is not only not a taboo subject, it's barely even an interesting one. The kids I've talked to just *assume* that people can fall in love with someone of either sex, or multiples. If you are interested in how sexuality can be portrayed on a TV series as background rather than foreground, you should check out Canada's Lost Girl. It's *full* of alternative pairings, of various kinds, and what makes them all work so well is that the writers and directors *never call attention to them*. It feels just as natural to see the heroine Bo gettin' it on with a guy as it does seeing her gettin' it on with a gal. As I've suggested before, Lost Girl is the closest thing this generation of youths have to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in terms of the depth of characterization and clever sense of humor underlying the (admittedly) silly plots. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV... Probably none of you ever saw the original Avatar: Last Airbender, and even fewer watched the sequel, Avatar: the Legend of Korra, but you missed a truly remarkable US TV event: in the last scene of the series, Korra and her best friend Asami, who happens to be the former girlfriend of Korra's former boyfriend, walk into the Spirit World together, shyly holding hands with the last image being a face off of the two as though they were making wedding vows. While the two writers have NOT officially acknowledged the relationship, apparently it was the source of much speculation in the final season of the show as it was revealed that the only person who had received any letters from Korra during her self-imposed exile was Asami, and one of the writers referenced links to the fan-speculation and themed fan-fiction [called korrasami] several times in his blogs. Of course, two of the main characters of Sailor Moon were always overtly gay in the original anime, but the American translation always referred to their relationship as [kissing] cousins. Even so, this was a huge step for American children's TV, even if it was only acknowledged via heavy symbolism in the last minute of a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes to American children's TV...
Kung Fu Panda: Legends Of Awesomeness, for one. The animation is more realistic, not 2D as in Japanese woodcuts or the examples from Korra I just posted. And faces are fully animated, with realistic expressions. Several movie series: the Toy Story series, of course. The Madagascar and Shrek movies. And the Despicable Me movies, of course. If you really are trying to start a fanboy argument, you can claim these aren't multi-season story TV series, but they are continuous, evolving stories to us -- we just have to wait a little longer between episodes. :-) Here are a couple of trailers for the animated film Maya and I are most looking forward to seeing. BTW, I would class this as realistic animation, as opposed to comic book-y animation. Minions Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Despicable Me Prequel HD | | | | | | | | | | | Minions Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Despicable Me Prequ... | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com OK... But could ou give an example of animation style which is NOT comic booky and still tells a multi-season story? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I didn't mean to offend. I associate the phrase Japanese anime with a certain *style* of animation. I don't know how to describe it except as comic book-y. Scroll through examples (I assume screen shots) of what I mean here: Pictures Photos from The Legend of Korra (TV Series 2012– ) | | | | | | | | | | | Pictures Photos from The Legend of Korra (TV Series 20...The Legend of Korra (TV Series 2012– ) photos, including production stills, premiere photos and other event photos, publicity photos, behind-the-scenes, and more. | | | | View on www.imdb.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Maya and I are both fans of animated series. It's just that for whatever reason, neither of us is really fond of this style of animation. We prefer either the more realistic 3D animation work like in Frozen or some Disney films, or the more stylistic wonderfulness of Despicable Me. We both like the Kung Fu Panda movies and TV series, and she is as fond of Miyasaki's Spirited Away as I am, but we tend towards more (dare I say it) realistic animation. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, first off, the 2 avatar series are completely written and produced by Americans. They are animated in Korean animation houses, as much of Japanese (and American) animation is these days, but they're pure American in writing and acting and target audience. They're only anime in the sense of telling long-ruinning, fully-connected story lines via animation rather than live-action. Secondly, to say I'm not into Japanese animation is like saying I'm not into American television. It may be true, but the genre is every bit as varied for anime as American TV is. 30% of all bookstore sales in Japan are graphic novels and much of the anime genre is derived from those. When 30% of all potential income is from a specific style of story-telling, you can be sure that that style attracts its fair share of teh best writers in the business. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You are correct that I wasn't watching this, nor was my five-year-old partner-in-cinema-crime Maya, cuz neither of us have ever been particularly turned on by Japanese anime. I'm just commenting because your take on the lesbian reveal is IMO an almost uniquely *American* take on it. Here in the Netherlands, no child over the age of five needs the various forms that sexuality can take explained to them. Maya has a family of five -- two moms, one dad, one weird uncle and herself -- and so far none of her classmates have even commented on it. In her class, several of her classmates have two daddies or two mommies. Sexual preference is not only not a taboo subject, it's barely even an interesting one. The kids I've talked to just *assume* that people can fall in love with someone of either sex, or multiples. If you are interested in how sexuality can be portrayed on a TV series as background rather than foreground, you should check out Canada's Lost Girl. It's *full* of alternative pairings, of various kinds, and what makes them all work so well is that the writers and directors *never call attention to them*. It feels just as natural to see the heroine Bo gettin' it on with a guy as it does seeing her gettin' it on with a gal. As I've suggested before, Lost Girl is the closest thing this generation of youths have to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in terms of the depth of characterization and clever sense of humor underlying the (admittedly) silly plots. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lesbianism comes
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos
All these superintelligent 'bots out there in the universe, and we got stuck
(for a time) with the Willybot. Karma, dudes... :-)
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos
The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos Is Probably Superintelligent Robots
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie for those with questions
Watch the film -- all of it -- and not only might you have more of the answers
to the questions you ask without having to ask them, you might actually be
worth discussing such answers with. :-)
From: seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie for those with questions
I have had questions along these lines: fate, free will, the use of sound
(speech, magic words, mantras) to perform magic or bend people to your will,
Mozart and why we like music, and whether knowledge has any value if pursued
for its own sake. What epistemologically sound answers to these questions did
this film provide? I assume none, though I am quite open learning if and how
it did.
I assume rather, that it provided some personal hypothesis, new perspectives
and insights on how the world might work, analogies and metaphors. And that
these might be personally tested to some degree by applying these insights in
daily experience. However, given human's large capacity for cognitive biases
and perceptual limitations, and the limitations of a sample size of one (or a
few), this approach does not conclusively provide basis for definitive
universal conclusions.
This is not a critique of the film or your appreciation of the film. Its a
on-going question that I have about the value of any of the arts as a source of
knowledge. And why and how its answers may be different or more valid as to how
the world than those obtained from myths, religion, traditional practices and
frameworks, introspection, speculative conjectures and other's opinions.
(I did stumble upon this film last night and watched the first half hour -- and
then watched segments through the end.)
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[FairfieldLife] Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
It's not, after all, as if anyone asked for Mary's consent when knocking her up, right? Why rape is so intrinsic to religion | | | | | | | | | | | Why rape is so intrinsic to religionStories like the virgin birth lack freely given female consent. It's telling how ready we still are to embrace them | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
I merely found an interesting and provocative article, and reposted it in case
someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't.
From the article: Many Christians are surprised when told that nowhere in the
Bible, either Old Testament or New, does any writer say that a woman’s consent
is necessary or even desirable before sex.
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas
period
Wow! That's tacky. As we're about to celebrate one of the main events in
the Christian calendar, to link the birth of Christ with rape culture shows a
low level of consciousness.
Thinking about it it does occur to me that I could turn your slur against you.
The whole point of the Nativity narrative in Luke's gospel is to contrast the
pomp and glory of worldly power with the story of a threatened child born into
abject poverty. A member of the underclass as we'd say today.
If the child really was the bastard product of a brutal rape that would only
emphasize his lack of status in the eyes of the social elite. Social status is
conventional; our true nature transcends social roles. That's what our
Christian brethren are expressing in mythological imagery.
There is no shortage of sexual exploitation in The Bible and The Koran - seems
odd to highlight the Virgin Birth which is manifestly presented as a unique,
world-historical privilege and must have contributed more than any other factor
to a reverence for women in the West.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
It's not, after all, as if anyone asked for Mary's consent when knocking her
up, right?
Why rape is so intrinsic to religion
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given female consent. It's telling how ready we still are to embrace them |
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[FairfieldLife] A castle Jimi Hendrix would have lived in
I love this. I've always liked ephemeral art. Temporary art, meant to be appreciated in the moment and not necessarily last past that moment. Like the creation of Tibetan sand mandalas. They can take weeks to complete...after which they are prayed over and celebrated, but then blown away. What if you had a 13th century Scottish castle you were trying to care for, and the preservationists told you that the concrete facing on major parts of the castle (added in the 1950s) was eroding the foundations and had to be removed? And what if you had a sense of humor about it all and decided to let Brazilian street artists turn it into an ephemeral artwork? We Want To Live Forever In This Psychedelic Graffiti Castle | | | | | | | | | | | We Want To Live Forever In This Psychedelic Graffiti Cas...Dear readers, riddle me this: What's the only thing cooler than a Scottish castle? A Scottish castle covered in psychedelic graffiti, of course. Allow us to introdu... | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Damn. Bad guys won - Mia Farrow
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : What interests FFLifers? (That's not a rhetorical question.) When I started this thread yesterday I smiled to myself thinking that I had lit the blue touch paper and now all I had to do was sit back and watch the fireworks fly! I imagined the angry exchanges between those who were appalled by the decision of Sony to pull the film The Interview and those who defended the corporation citing concerns about public safety as being paramount. But apart from a quip from Bhairitu no one rose to the bait. Yet we're talking freedom of expression here. The First Amendment. Go figure. I guess you've learned something. Not everyone reads every post and has the time to respond even if they are interested in the subject. Plus, not everyone reads the replies carefully enough to know if anyone replied. Hint hint. :-) I replied, and even on topic for FFL, linking this whole incident to recent attempts by a number of people to have the people whose voices they didn't like driven off this forum. The trick is not to take it personally. Exactly. Even if you're one of the voices they're trying to silence. If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell Liberty: The Right to Tell People What They Don't Want to Hear | | | | | | | | | | | Liberty: The Right to Tell People What They Don't Want t...This is about your right as an American to produce and consume political, artistic and social expression without governmental terrorism and censorship, in this case... | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I agree with Curtis here. Maharishi's We don't talk about our state of consciousness routine was an *intentional* Nudge-nudge wink-wink know-what-I-mean tactic that IMO *everyone* was in on. You believed it more firmly because you'd been convinced that you *were* in on it. He got to imply that he WAS, in fact, enlightened, without ever saying it overtly. People who bought the act got to believe he was enlightened while also picking up on the cue that *they* could run this same number someday when *they* became enlightened. Everyone was also expected to pick up on the fact that he (Maharishi) seem to make decisions the same way he described the enlightened making them. That is, as a total narcissist, just deciding something and then assuming that it was the correct decision simply because he had decided it. Again, as Curtis suggests, everyone was supposed to assume that his near-absolute inability to plan ahead or take other people's advice when making decisions was a good thing, something an enlightened person would do. And as Curtis suggests, saying it overtly would have been a step backwards, an admission that his Aw shucks...*of course* I'm enlightened, but I'm not allowed to say so cuz I'm so humble routine hadn't worked. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO. C: Whenever I see this statement I find it curious. The guy set up an organization based entirely on the assumption of his enlightenment. He never had to say I am enlightened he created the context in which we all related to him in this way. There was no context that I was ever in around him where this assumption was not the guiding principle under which we related to every word that came out of his mouth. It was the assumption that lay behind his commentaries on scriptures or lines from the Vedas, and everything else he wrote or spoke about. He looked at every subject from this assumptive perspective explicitly. He had the most through indoctrination program to instill this belief in us all that I can conceive of. What else could he have done to convey this assumption? I can't think of anything undone to this end. A verbal affirmation would be a step back from the institution he build on the foundation of this assumption. I'm thinking that he did claim to be enlightened, could you tell?
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
I wouldn't call it great, but it was more enjoyable than most recent SciFi for
me. My mini-review below was mainly a suggestion to not find out much about it
beforehand, so as thus to preserve the surprises.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
I didn't have time to check yesterday but I see at least VUDU has episodes
1 and 2 for free so I can see if I agree with your assessment. But I probably
will agree given what I've seen Syfy doing lately. They also did this with
episode 1 of Z Nation which I watched on Amazon which undoubtedly has
Ascension episodes 1 and 2 free too. VUDU has better picture quality though
and I think their servers are local or at least on the west coast.
On 12/18/2014 07:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
If you have never heard of this new mini-series (6 episodes, seemingly all
playing this week), my suggestion is to keep it that way, and find out
absolutely nothing about it before starting to watch it.
I had that luxury, motivated only by being told that Tricia Helfer was in it,
and thus got to experience the reveals as they occurred, as opposed to
having the surprise ruined by foreknowledge. No trailer, for the same reason.
Those who know Tricia Helfer's name from Battlestar Galactica will be all
over this without one, and those who don't...uh...don't matter. :-) :-) :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
Check, because the first three episodes may be all of it. According to Wiki
and IMDB the series consists of six one-hour episodes, but it was really
broadcast on three consecutive nights as Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3, in
two-hour (1 hour, 20 minutes without commercials) segments. So Hulu may be
offering the whole thing. Again, not great, but I enjoyed seeing Tricia Helfer
again, and I thought that one of the basic ideas (which we can discuss after
you've seen it if you want) was very creative, and one that I don't remember
seeing in SciFi before. It solves a lot of problems for the writer, and also
creates some interesting ways to suck in an audience and allow them to identify
to some extent. More if/when you see it.
I finished Marco Polo and will withhold further comment. The Blue Princess
babe is, in fact, the most classically attractive lead, but I actually
preferred the Wrestling Babe, who as I think I mentioned will be one of the
leads in the upcoming Avengers flick.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
HuluPlus has the first three episodes up for web only (not mobile or TV)
but with ads and no lock on them. If it is locked then you can only watch
if you have a TV provider.
American Horror Story isn't going on hiatus except for the next two weeks
since the episode would fall holiday nights. Last year they took a month or
more hiatus. I've got three more episodes of Marco Polo left. The cast is
excellent except for the actress who plays The Blue Princess who is cute but
can't act.
On 12/19/2014 10:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I wouldn't call it great, but it was more enjoyable than most recent SciFi
for me. My mini-review below was mainly a suggestion to not find out much about
it beforehand, so as thus to preserve the surprises.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV hint: Ascension
I didn't have time to check yesterday but I see at least VUDU has
episodes 1 and 2 for free so I can see if I agree with your assessment. But I
probably will agree given what I've seen Syfy doing lately. They also did this
with episode 1 of Z Nation which I watched on Amazon which undoubtedly has
Ascension episodes 1 and 2 free too. VUDU has better picture quality though
and I think their servers are local or at least on the west coast.
On 12/18/2014 07:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
If you have never heard of this new mini-series (6 episodes, seemingly
all playing this week), my suggestion is to keep it that way, and find out
absolutely nothing about it before starting to watch it.
I had that luxury, motivated only by being told that Tricia Helfer was in
it, and thus got to experience the reveals as they occurred, as opposed to
having the surprise ruined by foreknowledge. No trailer, for the same reason.
Those who know Tricia Helfer's name from Battlestar Galactica will be all
over this without one, and those who don't...uh...don't matter. :-) :-) :-)
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[FairfieldLife] If Nabby hadn't left...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
How people use -- and react to -- the word atheist reminds me of the famous
story of Malcolm X. In the version I heard, he was speaking somewhere and a
distinguished, well-dressed black gentleman stood up, introduced himself as
Professor so-and-so from such-and-such university, and took him to task for
using such fiery language to stir negros up.
Malcolm let him go on for a while, but then interrupted and said, Sir, do you
know what white people in Alabama call a negro Ph.D.?
The person said, No, I don't believe I'm conversant with that fact.
Malcolm said, Nigger.
In many places, and certainly on this supposedly spiritual forum, atheist is
their version of the N word. They wield it more like a club than a
description.
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
This is interesting. Plus it is such a loaded term for most people, some of
whom connect it with being immoral and not having ANY values. It is like when
people ask for your sign. I never answer such an invitation to get put in a
freak'n box.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I have so few doubts about the non-existence of god that I couldn't make it
through this guy's rap. :-)
On the other hand, like him I would never say, I am an atheist, simply
because I know that in doing so I would be talking to people who would
interpret my statement by pigeonholing me as ONLY an atheist.
I am SO much more than that.
But once you've had a label affixed to your lapel, it's difficult to have
people ever approach you again with an open mind. Most stop at the label, and
never look any further.
From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
That was interesting, thanks for posting it.
He may be defining atheism differently than I do. For me, I do know that I am
an atheist because I don't hold any version of god belief. I am not saying that
I know that there is no god, I don't believe I can know this. But I am
certainly clear about my own mind and what beliefs I hold.
So he may be defining atheism as a believe which he puts on a level with a
belief in god so it is ridiculous to show overconfidence because a thoughtful
person should always be aware of the alternatives to his position on anything.
But atheism as I define it is not a positive belief so it s not intellectually
presumptuous to say that: I know my beliefs and there aren't any versions of a
god belief among them.
Or maybe I just didn't understand the guy very well. ( I did listen twice and
gave it a shot.)
Any thoughts?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Why do you say, - I rightly pass for an atheist - instead of just saying 'I AM
an atheist'? (to Derrida)
I think his answer is great.
Jacques Derrida On Atheism and Belief
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Civil Society vows to end 'terrorism'
I think we all know that this is a prelude to Buck claiming that anyone who
speaks their mind on a forum created *especially for people to speak their
minds on* is a terrorist that real spiritual types (by which I think he
means himself) need to get tough on. Just wait for it...
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Civil Society vows to end 'terrorism'
..Protectingitself, the civil society in Pakistan to get tough on
extremismfollowingterrorist attacks.
NawazSharif spoke after talks between political parties about
themassacre.Pakistan'sprime minister has vowed to rid his country of terrorism
after aTaliban attack at a school in Peshawar killed 141 people, mostlychildren.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I think it's worth drawing a parallel between the recent action of militant hackers from (it is widely assumed) North Korea against the Sony corporation. These hackers didn't like what they'd heard was going to be portrayed in an upcoming movie. So they did whatever they felt was necessary to try to extort Sony into withdrawing the film. This included searching for and posting widely on the Internet personal information about Sony employees and executives. Sony caved. The film The Interview is being withdrawn from theatrical release, and the hackers won. Meanwhile, back on FFL, isn't this pretty much exactly what a number of people tried to do here? They didn't like some of the things being said, so they attempted to extort Rick into kicking the people saying it off of the forum. They went so far as to stalk the people they wanted to be kicked off and either posted personal information about them on the Internet, and/or encouraged other people who thought the way they did to perform illegal actions to get these neganauts in trouble in the real world. Rick *didn't* cave. FFL is still on the air, healthier and less confrontational than ever in my opinion, and the ones who felt it was their right to try to extort Rick into doing what *they* wanted done are (with only one exception) gone. Go figure. And hallelujah. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: The catnip of the self righteous: the shaming of the sinners. Heaven isn't too interesting without that is it Buck? And what is the currency of the righteous? Buck, from his dome: You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidentlyare no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizingotherwise good people. Good old fashioned ad hominem, personal attack. That is the ticket. This place doesn't roll this way since the troublemakers left Buck. We are having discussions here that allow Michael to express his feelings about the organization he was a part of, just like you. And people more secure in their own opinions don't feel the need to attack him for having ideas they don't share. I thought Michael's points were well reasoned, most of them are just movement points that they say themselves. In the end he gives his own opinion about it all. What about his freedom of expression riles you up so much? What is it about people who have come to a different conclusion about the value of the TM group that rivets your attention? Is it really Michael's doubts that are causing you so much agitation? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Son, you quite evidently are out of touch withwhat is Fairfield reality. Clearly you have a warped understandingof the meditating community here and of the modern TM movement now 30years later. If, if, if.. you freely hypothesize. You clearly areimpugning everything with your parade of suppositions as axiomaticpostulates. You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidentlyare no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizingotherwise good people. -Buck in Fairfield, Ia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'm not saying that people in FF are bad or that good things are not created in FF. I am saying that if people donate money to the Movement because: A - They believe Marshy was enlightened, therefore all that came from him has some cosmic cachet to itB - They believe the Movement is going to create world peace, heaven on earth, sat yuga or any permutation thereofC - They believe that yagyas can influence the universe, people, politics, the weather and so onD - They believe that the Movement solicits money for any reason other than in truth to line their own pockets Then they are living in a fantasy world. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building astraw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. Youintentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements inthe community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrongthat you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people.Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck inFairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid?
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yes, no longer mutually exclusive. I think it is basically a teaching technique. Thanks for finally putting it so succinctly. Pondering such things as the supposed difference between awareness and consciousness is BY DEFINITION something that can only be performed by someone in the state of ignorance. My position is that pondering it would be OK if the pondering led to a lack of ignorance. I honestly do not believe that to be the case. I feel that instead pondering such things *perpetuates* and *strengthens* the ignorance. As Nisargadatta said, it forces a person to look within if all they know is thinking and doing. The 'within' really is not a separate place in the universe, it is made to seem that way at first to break the habit of looking without. But then at some point you have to connect the inner and outer viewpoint that has been constructed and consciously take down the mental and experiential barrier that seems to exist between inner and outer. It is curious that even after decades of meditation, some people do not seem to move beyond this. I think that is caused by a lack of scepticism, and an inability to trust one's own sense direction. Supposedly TM is to create field independence and self sufficiency, but these qualities do not seem to appear in a lot of people. I think the belief system in the TMO is a major factor, it says these things will happen, but it does not pointedly make it a conscious issue of what sort of attitude the mind must have for it to be nurtured, since that attitude means questioning the very foundation of the system of belief. If one takes the meaning of the words belief and knowledge seriously, if there is such a thing as knowledge, then belief will have to fall by the wayside at some point and be replaced by something more direct and substantial. As many people have experienced, the entire path of spiritual growth is based on concepts that have no real practical significance or meaning once they have achieved their purpose; they are tools, like a multi-stage rocket booster, which once they have done the required job, are jettisoned. Someone who wants to teach this sort of thing might have to revisit such tools, or make up new ones, because if such a one just sits there and says 'everything is one' or 'you are that' or some such, it is not going to be very effective. The enlightenment success rate seems really poor, you cannot show it to someone. It is really the realisation you made a mistake and now you have realised what it was, but it did not change anything to fix it. A difficult selling point. Like selling the next year's new model car, when it looks exactly like the previous year. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Problem is for some people awarenessand consciousness are no longer mutually exclusive. That they areseems to be splitting hairs. Like Krishnamurti I just don't careabout these issues anymore. And furthermore I am bewildered thatpeople who have been practicing meditation for decades have notachieved enlightenment or moksha yet. Maybe there is somethingto the idea of an old soul? On 12/17/2014 11:33 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]wrote: I wasevaluating these statements a few months ago. All I cansay is I seem to get them in terms of my own experience,but that does not help anyone else. Basically justmeditating for half a century seems to be the trick. Alsocertain specific experiences that have occurred alsohelped illuminate them for me. Specifically thetransition from waking to deep anaesthesia to waking,which is about as close to death one can get as far asshutdown of the brain was one factor for me. Also thetransition from TC to waking although that is moreerratic, and it does not happen any more for me. Anotherexperience is the realisation that what one thinks isnot true except in a very limited and restricted sense. Inother words, feeling comfortable with these statementsas having an experiential significance can only comewithin one's experience, not in the telling of thatexperience. You cannot prove a thing. As alsopointed out by others, translation is a factor, butbasically it is the same old thing, whatever you call'absolute' and 'relative' specifies a difference inexperience and the mind has to recognise thatdifference, the relationship of the words bring tolight. It can be as simple as life and death. Awarenessis what you have in death, but the awareness, i.e.,being, does not do anything or is conscious of anything.Consciousness and awareness is what you have in life.Parsing the difference goes on in the mind until you nolonger really think of them as essentially different. Itis just an exercise in mental clarity rather than anexercise of truth. Truthis really local. It is the relationship between astatement and a situation. I have a MAD magazine in myright hand is a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
Just wanted to step in and thank you once again for the clarity of your posts, Salyavin. Back in the Bad Old Days when reading this form was for me always combined with the idea that doing so would force me to wade through dozens of posts trying to get me personally to get to the occasional gem of wisdom, your posts provided sufficient gems to make it worthwhile. Now that most of those who churned out the stuff I had to wade through are gone, your posts are still pretty gem-like. I may not always have something to say in response to them, but that's most often because you've said them so well there is nothing more to add. Thanks... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Any sort of god must be immune to entropy. And that would need an impressive explanation. The Absolute is outside time and space. Entropy is a theory about phenomenal change. I think you meant to say The absolute, if it exists, is outside space and time ;-) We should take comfort from the fact that everything is explainable and that everything has turned out to have a simple explanation. Science limits itself to the measurable. Everything is measurable, or how do you know it exists at all? Even if we discover that the world cannot be without some other phenomena we will know some of its attributes and will thus have made a measurement of sorts. Watch what's flowing through your mind right at this instant. How much - or rather how little - of that variety and novelty can you express in language or quantify? If my mind had a pause button I could express all of it. Imagine a situation involving guilt or shame; or feeling how ephemeral and fragile our lives are. In fact, try to picture what it must be like in those last moments for a man facing a firing squad. Could that inner final judgement be captured in a scientific report? Yes. Its bound to be a mixture of guilt, terror, regret, mania, maybe even laughter caused by shock. All these things can be understood as both physical, hormonal responses and the subjective stuff we know and love. How they interface is the mystery here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re salyavin808: The problem here is the metaphors taking themselves too seriously. You probably think that's ducking the question but it's just avoiding getting pulled into the endless cycle of ever more mysterious sophistry. We won't work it out how minds work from the inside, at least no one ever has, so it's probably be a good idea to hang five and work out how it's all actually put together and start again from there. Yeah, but . . . it's the actually put together bit that is soaked in metaphysical assumptions. The type of person who tells us he's a hard-nosed, down-to-earth, just the facts ma'am type is saying that *the real world* must conform to his IDEAL view that the world is no-nonsense sensible. I agree about not taking metaphors too literally. We can't escape from the language trap. Then we have to be sure we haven't created one for ourselves. Hence the building of my world relies on nothing other than the simplest explanation of the data and not on assuming things we simply think - or want - to be true. So I exclude everything that doesn't fit in with the cornerstones of knowledge, most importantly the theory of evolution by natural selection. This applies to everything and not just us. If consciousness is some sort of eternal being that survives us after death and is even some sort of quantum god thing, then Darwinism has to go out of the window. Physics would have to be completely rewritten too, I imagine the laws of thermodynamics would be the first in the bin, which is a shame as they work rather well, but any sort of god must be immune to entropy. And that would need an impressive explanation. So if we assume the universe is a no-nonsense sensible place that works according to fathomable laws rather than for the convenience of invisible creators we can get an ideal that allows for the further research needed to explain what we don't know rather than one where things are assumed to be beyond us and where our interpretations are seen as just as valid as demonstrable theories. I worry that a lot of intelligent people are continually looking in the wrong place for their gods and that they will get all the publicity and research money because their answers are what people want to hear. The net is full of crap research funded by some religion or other with an agenda to push. Trouble is, we are still in a 'god of the gaps' situation with consciousness and intelligence but not enough to be able to say that they are part of some sort of extra-material reality of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
Just for *your* information, I didn't mean to suggest that there was any ill
intent on your part. My posts on this subject last night and today have been
based on past actions/reactions on this forum, coming primarily from people who
are (with one exception) no longer present.
I live in the Netherlands, and certainly agree with you that in Europe this
issue is pretty much a non-issue. More people are non-believers than believers,
and life in general seems to be better for that.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
Just FYI, I didn't post the link with any of this in mind, I certainly
didn't have any agenda that atheism would be somehow negative, or percieved as
negative. I just found what he had to say interesting, and somehow resonating
with me. I guess, that this depends on the kind of society you live in.
I don't know about America, but in some European countries - not in all, but
definitely in some, half of the population or even more may call themselves
atheist, for example some scandinavean countries or for example some eastern
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I see it as his British style wit. I get the same thing chatting with a Welsh friend at Starbucks. ;-) Also taking a peek at The Peak I see our esteemed moderator is hanging out there more than here! :-D This poses a bit of a koan. In which of these incarnations is he slumming? :-) On 12/18/2014 02:03 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just wanted to step in and thank you once again for the clarity of your posts, Salyavin. Back in the Bad Old Days when reading this form was for me always combined with the idea that doing so would force me to wade through dozens of posts trying to get me personally to get to the occasional gem of wisdom, your posts provided sufficient gems to make it worthwhile. Now that most of those who churned out the stuff I had to wade through are gone, your posts are still pretty gem-like. I may not always have something to say in response to them, but that's most often because you've said them so well there is nothing more to add. Thanks... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Any sort of god must be immune to entropy. And that would need an impressive explanation. The Absolute is outside time and space. Entropy is a theory about phenomenal change. I think you meant to say The absolute, if it exists, is outside space and time ;-) We should take comfort from the fact that everything is explainable and that everything has turned out to have a simple explanation. Science limits itself to the measurable. Everything is measurable, or how do you know it exists at all? Even if we discover that the world cannot be without some other phenomena we will know some of its attributes and will thus have made a measurement of sorts. Watch what's flowing through your mind right at this instant. How much - or rather how little - of that variety and novelty can you express in language or quantify? If my mind had a pause button I could express all of it. Imagine a situation involving guilt or shame; or feeling how ephemeral and fragile our lives are. In fact, try to picture what it must be like in those last moments for a man facing a firing squad. Could that inner final judgement be captured in a scientific report? Yes. Its bound to be a mixture of guilt, terror, regret, mania, maybe even laughter caused by shock. All these things can be understood as both physical, hormonal responses and the subjective stuff we know and love. How they interface is the mystery here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re salyavin808: The problem here is the metaphors taking themselves too seriously. You probably think that's ducking the question but it's just avoiding getting pulled into the endless cycle of ever more mysterious sophistry. We won't work it out how minds work from the inside, at least no one ever has, so it's probably be a good idea to hang five and work out how it's all actually put together and start again from there. Yeah, but . . . it's the actually put together bit that is soaked in metaphysical assumptions. The type of person who tells us he's a hard-nosed, down-to-earth, just the facts ma'am type is saying that *the real world* must conform to his IDEAL view that the world is no-nonsense sensible. I agree about not taking metaphors too literally. We can't escape from the language trap. Then we have to be sure we haven't created one for ourselves. Hence the building of my world relies on nothing other than the simplest explanation of the data and not on assuming things we simply think - or want - to be true. So I exclude everything that doesn't fit in with the cornerstones of knowledge, most importantly the theory of evolution by natural selection. This applies to everything and not just us. If consciousness is some sort of eternal being that survives us after death and is even some sort of quantum god thing, then Darwinism has to go out of the window. Physics would have to be completely rewritten too, I imagine the laws of thermodynamics would be the first in the bin, which is a shame as they work rather well, but any sort of god must be immune to entropy. And that would need an impressive explanation. So if we assume the universe is a no-nonsense sensible place that works according to fathomable laws rather than for the convenience of invisible creators we can get an ideal that allows for the further research needed to explain what we don't know rather than one where
Re: [FairfieldLife] Awareness versus Consciousness
Nice post. I particularly liked So when we come across a phrase, as in Nisargadatta, that awareness is not equivalent to consciousness, the mind is led on its merry way... That captures my feelings about the lack of worth of getting lost in abstractions that have no relevance to where-the-rubber-meets-the-road real life. As far as I can tell, as long as someone is thinking about thinking and lost in analyzing dualities like this, they're *not* here and now, and are therefore actively *preventing* the very realization they seek. From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Awareness versus Consciousness The human mind cannot parse infinity, or infinities. The awareness versus consciousness issue is the goad for the 'path of enlightenment'. It shows up in various guises. - Reality versus illusion - Absolute versus relative - Consciousness versus 'pure' consciousness - Silence versus thought - Being versus action - Unity versus diversity - God versus person hood - Enlightenment versus ignorance These kinds of statements are really subterfuge koans. Statements that defy logic, but seem on the surface to be logical, as if they are somehow meaningful in terms of 'what really is'. The human mind has a gravitational pull toward connectedness, seeing similarities, giving us an intuitive (if not necessarily correct) sense that the universe is somehow all of one piece and together. After all, we see it as somehow all together. As we navigate this place, we have to account for the differences we see. The mind is pretty good at this too. It is just when it tries to parse the whole thing all at once, it runs into the logical stumbling block, because parsing means to split. So when we come across a phrase, as in Nisargadatta, that awareness is not equivalent to consciousness, the mind is led on its merry way, and if it is considered important enough, it will not stop trying to parse the difference. If one defines awareness = consciousness, no problem, no need to think about it, one less problem to solve. Consciousness or consciousness/awareness by itself is a thorny enough issue alone. These phrases in the spiritual trade are what in script and fiction writing is called the MacGuffin, the elusive goal of the protagonist (and other characters in the story as well) are pursuing. The focus of attention. A MacGuffin is not necessarily germane to the plot, which in this case is your traverse of life. Except in the spiritual trade, the goal is a unity, so parsing is contrary to the goal, but that is just what a koan does, it gives the mind a problem to solve that has no rational solution, but it is short enough that the mind can manipulate it easily. Thus, by being handed a longer, more seemingly relaxed paradox, you are being deliberately misled. While this may seem pointless, or even possibly malicious, if it goes on long enough one of three things will happen. - You will tire of it and give up. - Or, if you are somewhat dull, you will pursue the idea until you die, and that means you are religious or a cultist, and unthinkingly enamoured and obsessed to a lesser or greater degree. - Or, at some point the mind short circuits and realises it has been had, because it sees the 'unity' was always there and it completely missed it because it was making up shit about it, often with a little help from friends, well wishers, and other interested parties who likewise have been caught in, or exploit the making up shit spiral. The first and third outcomes result in people leading normal, probably fairly well-balanced lives. The second outcome though results in people trapped in a world of fantasy so deeply entrenched it leads to a least annoyance to the the fairly well balanced types, and sometimes to death, as in the case in the past few days of that nut case in Sydney, Australia, who was trapped in a religious fantasy. (Note: I was watching a new panel discussion about the self-styled Muslim cleric who took hostages, and the one of the panellists made that comment that 'this situation has nothing to do with religion'!) The basic difference between these phrases and a 'real' koan is the non-rationality of the structure is hidden by a long chain of inferences so it seems to be a plausible statement to a mind looking for a way out of whatever predicament it is imagining it is in at the moment. One might call these ideas and their supporting arguments 'long-form koans'. I am not saying one should avoid doing this, as this kind of thinking might lead to a more fulfilling life somehow, but that in the back of your mind it might be worthwhile to keep in mind that someone might be playing a trick on you, and that person might not be someone else.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Awareness versus Consciousness
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com snip to The secondoutcome though results in people trapped in a world offantasy so deeply entrenched it leads to a leastannoyance to the the fairly well balanced types, andsometimes to death, as in the case in the past few daysof that nut case in Sydney, Australia, who was trappedin a religious fantasy. (Note: I was watching a newpanel discussion about the self-styled Muslim cleric whotook hostages, and the one of the panellists made thatcomment that 'this situation has nothing to do withreligion'!) The Sydney situation forms a strong argument for the case that exposure to religion is fundamentally (so to speak) dangerous, because it *causes* religious fantasies. Case in point: exposure to their religion has made members of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights so crazy that when they see the image of a penis, what they *believe* they see is an archaic Roman instrument of torture: Tom Ford's Controversial Gold Penis Necklace Has Some Outraged | | | | | | | | | | | Tom Ford's Controversial Gold Penis Necklace Has Som...Tom Ford has a penis-shaped problem on his hands. The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has taken issue with a Ford-designed piece of jewelry called th... | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid?
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com What can I do to test these statements? NisargadattaThe scriptures say so, but I know nothing about it. I know myself as I am; as I appeared or will appear is not within my experience. It is not that I do not remember. In fact there is nothing to remember. Reincarnation implies a reincarnating self. There is no such thing. The bundle of memories and hopes, called the 'I', imagines itself existing everlastingly and creates time to accommodate its false eternity: To be, I need no past or future. All experience is born of imagination; I do not imagine, so no birth or death happens to me. Only those who think themselves born can think themselves re-born. You are accusing me of having been born -- I plead not guilty!By its very nature the mind is outward turned; it always tends to seek for the source of things among the things themselves; to be told to look for the source within, is, in a way, the beginning of a new life. Awareness takes the place of consciousness; in consciousness there is the 'I', who is conscious while awareness is undivided; awareness is aware of itself. The 'I am' is a thought, while awareness is not a thought, there is no 'I am aware' in awareness. Consciousness is an attribute while awareness is not; one can be aware of being conscious, but not conscious of awareness. God is the totality of consciousness, but awareness is beyond all -- being as well as not-being. I have no answer to the question posed at the top of this post, but I do have a couple to pose for Edg, for the newb who posts as aryavazhi, possibly for Anartaxius or Curtis, and for anyone else who earnestly ponders such issues as is awareness the same as consciousness. These are real questions -- not putdowns, as some might interpret them -- and so if any of you have possible answers for them, I would appreciate hearing them. I'm looking to understand something I really don't get. So, this said, my questions are: 1. What would you perceive as the value to yourself of actually finding the answer to abstract questions such as this, and learning the truth of them? 2. What would you perceive as the value *to anyone else* of actually finding the answer to abstract questions such as this, and learning the truth of them? I ask because I don't see any such value. Knowing what one considers the truth has IMO never in history fed and clothed a single human being, or helped him/her to feed and clothe another human being. I *understand* that some consider themselves philosophers, and are drawn in such a way that they love to ponder abstract, non-real-world questions such as these. But *other than* liking it -- and the narcissism payoff provided by convincing oneself one has discovered the truth -- I don't see any reason to spend even a moment pondering such issues. Can you suggest one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid?
Thanks for trying to be civil. Not completely successfully, but it's a big improvement over the other day, and I do thank you for it. I was honestly asking the questions I asked because I honestly don't get it. I'm just not drawn that way. I don't believe that there IS such a thing as truth. This somewhat colors my approach to disciplines or philosophies that seek to learn the truth or know the truth. :-) Not being drawn to figure things out for the truth of them, I sometimes delight in figuring things out -- or trying to -- just for the fun of it. I try to never deceive myself into believing that IN figuring them out I have discovered any kind of truth, but I do sometimes enjoy going through the process -- trying to figure something out, succeeding, saying Aha!. And smile. So in this sense I possibly identify with your sense of closure in that respect. In my case, however, nothing ever closes for very long. Almost every time I find some sense of satisfaction in having figured something out and said Aha!, within a day or two the something changes, I discover that I don't have it figured out at all, and I say OhShit!. And smile. Having gotten somewhat used to this Aha! / OhShit! cycle, I honestly don't know any more what makes me smile more -- the Aha! moments or the OhShit! moments. :-) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com What can I do to test these statements? NisargadattaThe scriptures say so, but I know nothing about it. I know myself as I am; as I appeared or will appear is not within my experience. It is not that I do not remember. In fact there is nothing to remember. Reincarnation implies a reincarnating self. There is no such thing. The bundle of memories and hopes, called the 'I', imagines itself existing everlastingly and creates time to accommodate its false eternity: To be, I need no past or future. All experience is born of imagination; I do not imagine, so no birth or death happens to me. Only those who think themselves born can think themselves re-born. You are accusing me of having been born -- I plead not guilty!By its very nature the mind is outward turned; it always tends to seek for the source of things among the things themselves; to be told to look for the source within, is, in a way, the beginning of a new life. Awareness takes the place of consciousness; in consciousness there is the 'I', who is conscious while awareness is undivided; awareness is aware of itself. The 'I am' is a thought, while awareness is not a thought, there is no 'I am aware' in awareness. Consciousness is an attribute while awareness is not; one can be aware of being conscious, but not conscious of awareness. God is the totality of consciousness, but awareness is beyond all -- being as well as not-being. I have no answer to the question posed at the top of this post, but I do have a couple to pose for Edg, for the newb who posts as aryavazhi, possibly for Anartaxius or Curtis, and for anyone else who earnestly ponders such issues as is awareness the same as consciousness. These are real questions -- not putdowns, as some might interpret them -- and so if any of you have possible answers for them, I would appreciate hearing them. I'm looking to understand something I really don't get. So, this said, my questions are: 1. What would you perceive as the value to yourself of actually finding the answer to abstract questions such as this, and learning the truth of them?I will demonstrate civility. The value to me is multifold across the human spectrum...mostly unknown to me; I feel good doing this stuff, so there's that. Some part of me stops bothering itself when I get closure -- like finally getting a song to stop playing over and over again in ones head. I bother others with what's bothering me, and sometimes my squeaky wheel gets oiled. 2. What would you perceive as the value *to anyone else* of actually finding the answer to abstract questions such as this, and learning the truth of them?I don't know what others get out of such debates. If they're engaged, I assume somewhere inside them an itch is being scratched also. I ask because I don't see any such value. Knowing what one considers the truth has IMO never in history fed and clothed a single human being, or helped him/her to feed and clothe another human being. I *understand* that some consider themselves philosophers, and are drawn in such a way that they love to ponder abstract, non-real-world questions such as these. But *other than* liking it -- and the narcissism payoff provided by convincing oneself one has discovered the truth -- I don't see any reason to spend even a moment pondering
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
I have so few doubts about the non-existence of god that I couldn't make it
through this guy's rap. :-)
On the other hand, like him I would never say, I am an atheist, simply
because I know that in doing so I would be talking to people who would
interpret my statement by pigeonholing me as ONLY an atheist.
I am SO much more than that.
But once you've had a label affixed to your lapel, it's difficult to have
people ever approach you again with an open mind. Most stop at the label, and
never look any further.
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To my atheist friends on FFL
That was interesting, thanks for posting it.
He may be defining atheism differently than I do. For me, I do know that I am
an atheist because I don't hold any version of god belief. I am not saying that
I know that there is no god, I don't believe I can know this. But I am
certainly clear about my own mind and what beliefs I hold.
So he may be defining atheism as a believe which he puts on a level with a
belief in god so it is ridiculous to show overconfidence because a thoughtful
person should always be aware of the alternatives to his position on anything.
But atheism as I define it is not a positive belief so it s not intellectually
presumptuous to say that: I know my beliefs and there aren't any versions of a
god belief among them.
Or maybe I just didn't understand the guy very well. ( I did listen twice and
gave it a shot.)
Any thoughts?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Why do you say, - I rightly pass for an atheist - instead of just saying 'I AM
an atheist'? (to Derrida)
I think his answer is great.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State A Message From Advaita State (ASSES) || |||| A Message From Advaita State (ASSES) All glory to Ramana!|| | View on youtu.be |Preview by Yahoo| || Hilarious, but also absolutely perfect in this context, Alex. I honestly think that Edg *doesn't know* that when he makes a post chastising people in advance for disagreeing with him about a picayune point *that most people don't have any interest in* and then titles the post... * Youse guys gunna ever listen or not? OR * I'll say it again OR * What do FFLers who don't get it get? ...much less ALL of the above titles, that he's being an arrogant prick. PLUS, as your video captured so well, he's being JUST as much of a fundamentalist Advaitahole as the guy in the video. So *of course* I made fun of him. He reacted the way Edg usually does when someone either fails to take him as seriously as he takes himself (duh...almost always) and worse, laughs at him, and he had one of his meltdowns. He launched into his If-I-just-string-together-enough-derogatory-words-and-hurl-them-at-the-person-who-laughed-at-me-people-will-think-I'm-a-good-writer-and-smart routine, which -- I'm sorry -- just made me laugh at him even more, and strive to encourage others to join in with the laughter. There were other issues as well, which I will touch on before dropping the subject and hoping he is sane enough to do the same once he sobers up: * Some of us don't get off on arguing with other people *period*, even about important things, and think that those who do are kinda jerkish and limited. * Some of us get off even *less* on someone trying to bully you into arguing about an unimportant point that you think is even more stupid and unarguable-about than How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? * Some of us who have had actual realization experiences may feel compassion for those who have not, but that doesn't mean that we feel the need to encourage them when they believe that they can understand or get enlightenment or realization or whateveryouwanttocallit via intellectual inquiry. We don't think it's even *possible* to get it intellectually. So the whole idea of getting one's panties in a twist over some Advaitan intellectual masturbation exercise strikes us as a waste of time. If people *like* to masturbate, and think that doing so gives them more knowledge about the spiritual path, that's fine. But when someone tries to bully us into joining in with their circle jerk, it's bloody well time to make fun of them until they lighten up and realize that not everybody gets off on the same...uh...strokes that they do. That's all. I'm posting this NOT to get Edg or harm him, as he foolishly believes, but to try to explain to him WHY I was laughing at him, and WHY I will continue to do so when he tries to get me to join in one of his rounds of Mental Masturbation Performed As A Competitive Sport. I wish him luck finding other people here who like such things...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Ya talkin' about WillyTex? Looks likehe now pestering The Peak. :-D
How deeply joyous for both of us, 'tis indeed the season of glad tidings!
The question of how long he can last there before violating *that* forum's
rules and being booted off is the subject of several betting pools on the
Internet.
On 12/15/2014 09:42 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Not funny. Not funny. When it comes to axioms, I'mpretty much a stubborn
hardass wanting his own way.
Plus, the joke was from Terk, (which rhymes with unwipedasshole) so we know the
intent was to, well, let's spellit out: Turqy was once again trying to portray
my mind asinferior to such a degree that a cogent reply to anythingI might come
up with was completely unnecessary.
To dismiss so trollfully is the mark of a mind that can'tmuster even the first
counter argument in a debate -- andknows it. He's a coward, but not even a
clever one as hetries to prevent his lack of ken from being discovered. Who
here doesn't know how shallow his reach is?
I don't like his personality -- it's a shambles ofbrokenness, and he knows it,
so he keeps poking at me andanyone who has a POV -- trying to get at folks so's
theyare embarrassed to even show up, let alone speak up, whileall the time
keeping the attentions of everyone onanything but his own flaws.
In short the guy is a dick. A fuck. A mean, lost,creepy-ass schizoid out to
harm big, harm small, harm harmharm. A guy who'd be beat up instantly if he
pulled thisshit in a bar.No way he's still living if he was like thisin real
life.
So, no, I'm not laughing at someone who comes here toSOLELY try to piss
everyone off without regard for trueinquiry, scholarship or merits of the
debate topic.
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[FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo
I'm still making my way through this series, and even kinda enjoying it in a prurient way, but I do feel the need to pass along a more critical article that kinda nails its failings (below). As I remember, the person who first mentioned this new series on FFL mentioned it in the same breath as Da Vinci's Demons, which in retrospect (having seen over half of Marco Polo now) was spot-on. When I first discovered DV'sD, I reviewed it with the one-liner, the gaudiest, most egregious Dan Brown-ization of history I have ever encountered. I could just as easily have used that line for Marco Polo. The filmmakers in both cases, while making TV about supposedly historical periods, have completely freed themselves from the necessity of paying any attention whatsoever to real history. Or even reality. They have also -- DV'sD in its depiction of the Maya culture and MP in its depiction of Asian cultures -- freed themselves from even trying to portray them without condescension. In a very real sense, one suspects that if modern Chinese and Mongolian world leaders see Netflix's Marco Polo, they could justifiably consider it an act of war. It's eye candy, and with all the nutritional value of real candy. Ignore that, and you can pass a few mindless hours watching it: Netflix’s orgy bonanza: “Marco Polo” gives a lesson in how not to write about other cultures | | | | | | | | | | | Netflix’s orgy bonanza: “Marco Polo” gives a lesson in h...Bogged down by the idea of prestige TV, it flouts historical accuracy in favor of threesomes in the Khan’s harem | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it. But carry on. Seriously, I hope you find people who are interested in arguing with you about things you all consider important. I am not one of them, and feel instead that your standards for sacred spiritual axioms seem to be as low as your standards for good writing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Burr: Emails from Psychotic Women
I can't find it in me to even finish this one. Sorry, but there is something in the tone of his voice (not to mention the things he says) that just screams Misogynist to me. I could be wrong, and he could be one of those radio guys who only badraps women for the ratings, but I'm so turned off by the first three minutes I can't get any further. I think it's deeper than that. This guy really doesn't *like* women very much. In my opinion, of course. How did you expect me to react? From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bill Burr: Emails from Psychotic Women Hey Barry, check this one out. Whaddya think? Where do you rate this on a humor scale of 1-5? Bill Burr - Emails From Psychotic Women || |||| Bill Burr - Emails From Psychotic Women 11/16/09 https://twitter.com/billburr www.billburr.com|| | View on www.youtube.com |Preview by Yahoo| ||
Re: [FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo
Yes, both series can be considered entertaining and nothing else, if you are
talking about adult viewers who actually *know* their history and thus
understand that these TV plots are often as far from it as humanly possible.
But now think about the teenagers who can't even find the Yucatan or Mongolia
on a map, and haven't had the breadth of education to help them understand that
these series are FICTION, and have nothing to do with the historical events
they are supposedly based on. Some of them probably base their History class
reports on these TV series. That thought often makes me facepalm in despair.
A similar series that I admit to having watched, just for the costumes and the
babes and to see how into this model it strays, is Reign, a somewhat
fictionalized TV rendering of the events of Mary Queen of Scots during the
period she spent in France. The first shocker for an adult student of history,
of course, is how YOUNG everybody onscreen looks. Well, duh...not *only* are
the ages of the actors and actresses probably closer to the historical figures
than we might imagine (lifespans being so much shorter then), but the
showrunners are trying to reach that very teenage and early-20s audience
mentioned earlier. So the series leads appeal to that demographic.
As a viewer of all three series who is probably more schooled in history than
most viewers, I cringe mightily every time I watch any of these three. On the
other hand, if I just suspend disbelief and take them as a fairly pleasant
way to turn off my mind and enjoy the eye candy for an hour, I can get through
them.
It's just that my personal standard for historical fiction is a Scottish
writer named Dorothy Dunnett, whose historical accuracy is in most cases better
than that of historians. She *never* fudges anything or fakes anything or
changes any history. All she does is occasionally insert some fictional
characters into the midst of real history. The result is SO exciting and SO
dynamic and SUCH good literature that it makes me wonder why other writers
can't do the same thing -- pay equal homage to nonfictional history and
fictional storytelling.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo
It's just good TV. I also think the storylines are a bit of a metaphor
about our current state of affairs. You can say a lot of things if you shroud
it in pseudo history. Usually I'm not too big on period pieces but the
series is entertaining.
On 12/16/2014 05:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I'm still making my way through this series, and even kinda enjoying it in
a prurient way, but I do feel the need to pass along a more critical article
that kinda nails its failings (below).
As I remember, the person who first mentioned this new series on FFL
mentioned it in the same breath as Da Vinci's Demons, which in retrospect
(having seen over half of Marco Polo now) was spot-on. When I first
discovered DV'sD, I reviewed it with the one-liner, the gaudiest, most
egregious Dan Brown-ization of history I have ever encountered. I could just
as easily have used that line for Marco Polo.
The filmmakers in both cases, while making TV about supposedly historical
periods, have completely freed themselves from the necessity of paying any
attention whatsoever to real history. Or even reality. They have also -- DV'sD
in its depiction of the Maya culture and MP in its depiction of Asian cultures
-- freed themselves from even trying to portray them without condescension. In
a very real sense, one suspects that if modern Chinese and Mongolian world
leaders see Netflix's Marco Polo, they could justifiably consider it an act
of war.
It's eye candy, and with all the nutritional value of real candy. Ignore
that, and you can pass a few mindless hours watching it:
Netflix’s orgy bonanza: “Marco Polo” gives a lesson in how not to write about
other cultures
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[FairfieldLife] First meetings with MMY (was Re: Marco Polo Arrives)
My first encounter with Maharishi was at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles in
1967, and I came away *not* so much impressed with him as I was by something he
said, which in retrospect is kinda poignant.
What I remember most about the day is that someone in the audience got up and
asked a question that basically boiled down to I've got this problem in my
life, Maharishi...what should I do?
His answer impressed me. He said something to the effect of, If I tell you
what to do it will make you *weaker*, not stronger. My advice might get you
through this current situation, but when the next one comes up, you'd be
looking for me to tell you what to do again. Better that you should meditate
and learn to make your own decisions.
Compare that 1967 advice to how he started running his students' lives shortly
thereafter. And, as he accurately intuited back then, him doing that made them
all weaker, not stronger.
From: inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
My first meetings with Maharishi were unplanned and pleasant. I was on
TTC Arosa in '75
Being a country-boy from WI and in Arosa in June it was like a second spring
and I took opportunities to go gallivanting in the Alps. One time I returned
from a walk to find Maharishi had flown in on helicopter and was in lobby
'doing a line', I was lil sweaty and not dressed right and without flowers but
jumped in at end of line anyways . . . I did the Namaste thing and he gave me
some flowers and said something very cheerful.
The second time and on another day I was in a bit of a hurry and came around a
corner and saw the elevator doors closing so ran and squeezed in sideways and
thinking what a coup to make it in but to my horror I banged into Jerry Jarvis
who then almost banged into Maharishi. Jerry did one of his lil laughs and
Maharishi was quite impressed by my move. Maharishi was in his announcing of
Dawn of Age of Enlightenment phase, and he had sites where others were
experimenting with Sidhis and he was helicoptering all over Switzerland so I
suspect he was in a good mood. Anyways, that was my best elevator ride evah!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo
I watched both, and enjoyed both. Interesting scenario for a remake -- same writer, same showrunner, at least one cast member in common, and equally good. Given my rants in the past on this forum against remakes, I found that I actually (gulp!) enjoyed Gracepoint more than Broadchurch. A large part of that gulp! reaction was caused by Anna Gunn, who was formidable. I still have not had time to go back and look at the US version of The Bridge. I actually have plans to do so someday if I live long enough and manage to have enough TV time, and that's mainly due to you speaking positively about it. I watched the first episode of the US version and was so turned off that I didn't continue with it. But you and a number of other people I trust tell me that I should have, so I'm willing to go back someday when I have time (someday mythical!) and see what I missed. Elsewhere in TV world, Lost Girl started up again, and didn't even force those of us who are Kenzi addicts to do completely without her. They kept her in for at least the first two episodes. I am also delighted that Ripper Street is back with a third season, and in fine form. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo Then there is the remake of Broadchurch as Gracepoint which pretty much followed the script of the original except for the ending. That's a bit controversial given that the series wasn't renewed though there is a second season of Broadchurch starting in February. On 12/16/2014 09:01 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, both series can be considered entertaining and nothing else, if you are talking about adult viewers who actually *know* their history and thus understand that these TV plots are often as far from it as humanly possible. But now think about the teenagers who can't even find the Yucatan or Mongolia on a map, and haven't had the breadth of education to help them understand that these series are FICTION, and have nothing to do with the historical events they are supposedly based on. Some of them probably base their History class reports on these TV series. That thought often makes me facepalm in despair. A similar series that I admit to having watched, just for the costumes and the babes and to see how into this model it strays, is Reign, a somewhat fictionalized TV rendering of the events of Mary Queen of Scots during the period she spent in France. The first shocker for an adult student of history, of course, is how YOUNG everybody onscreen looks. Well, duh...not *only* are the ages of the actors and actresses probably closer to the historical figures than we might imagine (lifespans being so much shorter then), but the showrunners are trying to reach that very teenage and early-20s audience mentioned earlier. So the series leads appeal to that demographic. As a viewer of all three series who is probably more schooled in history than most viewers, I cringe mightily every time I watch any of these three. On the other hand, if I just suspend disbelief and take them as a fairly pleasant way to turn off my mind and enjoy the eye candy for an hour, I can get through them. It's just that my personal standard for historical fiction is a Scottish writer named Dorothy Dunnett, whose historical accuracy is in most cases better than that of historians. She *never* fudges anything or fakes anything or changes any history. All she does is occasionally insert some fictional characters into the midst of real history. The result is SO exciting and SO dynamic and SUCH good literature that it makes me wonder why other writers can't do the same thing -- pay equal homage to nonfictional history and fictional storytelling. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TV reviews: Marco Polo It's just good TV. I also think the storylines are a bit of a metaphor about our current state of affairs. You can say a lot of things if you shroud it in pseudo history. Usually I'm not too big on period pieces but the series is entertaining. On 12/16/2014 05:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm still making my way through this series, and even kinda enjoying it in a prurient way, but I do feel the need to pass along a more critical article that kinda nails its failings (below). As I remember, the person who first mentioned this new series on FFL mentioned it in the same breath as Da Vinci's Demons, which in retrospect (having seen over half of Marco Polo now) was spot-on. When I first discovered DV'sD, I reviewed it with the one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Thanks for your reply. What? You were expecting more? No, that's it. Thanks for your reply. What were you hoping for? From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: seerdope@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” Just as a question, why can't someone who has No Problem answering these questions with a simple Yes or No interpret the inability to do so as self-deception. EM: Someone could - and by doing that they could be deceiving themselves, and also selling themselves and the rest of humanity short in some key way, perhaps? Not to harp on this, but I think this is an important point. And I think you are (possibly intentionally) missing that point. EM: That is my point - that those who can easily apply simple yes/no answers to questions such as these (I'm not saying these particular ones are good examples) may tend to think in black and white terms in life, a rigid kind of perspective, and don't seek to consider or explore the it depends scenarios that better represent reality and serve to better inform one of the complexity and depth of the human condition. I find that deceptive because the truth is that morality can be subjective as you will note below. If you -- being completely honest -- can answer Yes/True to the first question, then *that is the answer*. If you -- again, being completely honest -- can answer No/False to the second question, then *that is the answer*. EM: Yes, assuming the rules of the test are these, and conforming, if these were your answers than they are your answers. The problem (IMO) lies with people who hedge their bets and say, Well...this is a bad question, because although yes, more than one time I *have* felt good when I heard that someone died, I don't feel that way all the time. I'm really a good person. EM: You are the one here who is tying the yes/no option to a good/bad person conclusion. Also, the question was whether it felt good, more than once, to hear that someone had been *killed*. Or they would prefer to say, This second question is bad, too, because although I cannot say that I have *never* enjoyed being cruel, I don't enjoy being cruel all the time. I'm really a good person. EM: The question is whether one *could enjoy being cruel* - not the assumption that they have already, whether they enjoyed it at the time or all the time, or how that implicates one in being good or bad. All of this is self-deception. *The* answers to the questions ARE (respectively) Yes and No. ANY hedging and excuses and exceptions a person feels they need to post after that are IMO exercises in self-deception, an attempt to convince themselves that they're good people anyway. EM: If I conform to the rules of said test and answer, without question I would answer OPPOSITE to what you answered - a definite No and Yes! You must be joking? I can honestly say, up to this point in my life, I don't think I have ever *felt good* to hear of someone being killed. Maybe I felt relieved (e.g., Bin Laden, sexual predator at large, etc.), but I can't drum up a feeling of *good* as in pleasurable. And, I can also honestly say I could never enjoy being cruel. That is a *YES*, right? Are you trying to yank my chain with your answers? Should I be assuming that you mistakenly reversed your answers? Should I be assuming that you have lied? Your answer above, Emily, sounds to me like an attempt to portray any person who feels no need to equivocate and lie -- to themselves and others -- and can answer these questions with a simple Yes and No as a Bad Person. Whereas the person who can't answer them without equivocating and making excuses for answering Yes and No can still claim to be a Good Person. It seems to me that the very *definition* of the latter behavior is self-deception. EM: What? See above. The article is about tying the ability to perceive humor to one's level of self-deception, not about determining whether they are good or bad. If you have taken pleasure in news of someone else's death -- EVER -- *that's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: seerdope@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” Just as a question, why can't someone who has No Problem answering these questions with a simple Yes or No interpret the inability to do so as self-deception. EM: Someone could - and by doing that they could be deceiving themselves, and also selling themselves and the rest of humanity short in some key way, perhaps? Not to harp on this, but I think this is an important point. And I think you are (possibly intentionally) missing that point. If you -- being completely honest -- can answer Yes/True to the first question, then *that is the answer*. If you -- again, being completely honest -- can answer No/False to the second question, then *that is the answer*. The problem (IMO) lies with people who hedge their bets and say, Well...this is a bad question, because although yes, more than one time I *have* felt good when I heard that someone died, I don't feel that way all the time. I'm really a good person. Or they would prefer to say, This second question is bad, too, because although I cannot say that I have *never* enjoyed being cruel, I don't enjoy being cruel all the time. I'm really a good person. All of this is self-deception. *The* answers to the questions ARE (respectively) Yes and No. ANY hedging and excuses and exceptions a person feels they need to post after that are IMO exercises in self-deception, an attempt to convince themselves that they're good people anyway. Your answer above, Emily, sounds to me like an attempt to portray any person who feels no need to equivocate and lie -- to themselves and others -- and can answer these questions with a simple Yes and No as a Bad Person. Whereas the person who can't answer them without equivocating and making excuses for answering Yes and No can still claim to be a Good Person. It seems to me that the very *definition* of the latter behavior is self-deception. If you have taken pleasure in news of someone else's death -- EVER -- *that's who you are*. If you have enjoyed being cruel -- EVER -- *that's who you are*. How *often* you do these things is not the question; it's whether you can honestly admit to doing them when you find yourself doing them. Those who indulge in self-deception *can't* admit this. Think back a few months to Robin Carlsen. For weeks he called Vaj a liar for claiming that he (Robin) had struck one or more of his (Robin's) students. Finally, back against the wall, Robin actually *admitted* to having struck his students. THEN, almost immediately, he went right back to No, Vaj really was lying because he said I did it 'at a seminar' and I never did. THEN, someone here posted that they remembered him doing it, and the only place that could have happened was at a seminar. And still, Robin continued to call Vaj a liar and claim that he had never done what he *admitted* he had done. THAT is pretty much the ultimate exercise in self-deception as far as I'm concerned. Did he strike his students? The answer is Yes. The issue of How often or Where isn't the point. Attempts to try to *make* it the point are self-deception, and in Robin's case an attempt to deceive others. The problem with self-deception is that it becomes a pattern. This all took place (the original events) twenty or more years ago, and Robin *still* can't bring himself to tell the honest truth about it. Just my opinion...
[FairfieldLife] What Kind of Day Has It Been?
One of screenwriter/director/showrunner Aaron Sorkin's conceits is that he has given the last episode of the last four series he's created this title. So since he has posed the question again in the last episode of The Newsroom, I think I'll spend a few minutes answering it. The day starts at a funeral, then segues to a flashback in which the dead person (Charlie Skinner) is telling one of the still-alive persons (Will McAvoy) about asking his grandson (a white suburban kid from New Rochelle) why he is trying to learn Tom T. Hall's How I Got To Memphis. The kid answers, Memphis is a stand-in for wherever you are right now...it really means 'How I got here.' This is all followed by bouncing back and forth between present-day funeral talk and first meetings in the past. We see Will and MacKenzie being set up in the past by Charlie, see him clinching the deal by sending her a copy of Don Quixote, and we see them in the present day. We see Don and Sloan's first meeting, and how they are today. We see some of Maggie and Jim's first moments, and how they are today. We see the horrific new owner of the network being chewed out/saved by its old owner, played by Jane Fonda. And somehow seeing *her* in the role, we are reminded of Barbarella, and we are reminded of how *she* got here and how magnificent she still is today at age 77, and that makes us smile. Then Will gets to sit in with Charlie's grandkid's garage band and play How I Got To Memphis with him, and we smile some more. Memphis is a stand-in for where you are right now. The last episode of a show is a stand-in for everything that led up to it, and thus the stuff that either made it memorable and a good use of your time, or the opposite. The Newsroom was a good use of my time. It was a modern-day Don Quixote, and as in that story, the fact that its characters and its writers were tilting at windmills doesn't diminish their heroism in doing so. All in all, a fairly nice way to start the day...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Youse guys gunna ever listen or not?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] What do FFLers who don't get it get?
This book for Christmas? :-)
The 100 Most Pointless Arguments in the World: Amazon.co.uk: Alexander
Armstrong, Richard Osman: 9781444762075: Books
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From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 5:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What do FFLers who don't get it get?
http://memegenerator.net/instance/57164554
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
Watching it now. Haven't gotten to any nekkid kung fu yet. Someone was just
beheaded, probably for confusing awareness with consciousness. :-)
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
And episode 3? ;-)
On 12/13/2014 11:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
The nekkid kung-fu battle in episode 2 was definitely worth watching. :-)
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
STARZ of course is another cable/satellite cartel premium channel not
accessible to cable cutters. You may find it interesting and outrageous what
other channel is no longer accessible unless you have a cable/satellite
subscription: C-SPAN. Yup, someone on the radio stream was talking about the
debate over the budget showing on C-SPAN so I went to cspan.org and clicked on
it and it wanted the login to my cable or satellite provider. Seems I missed
that this has been the case since summer. One more stroke against democracy by
the fascist pigs!
America truly is the NAZI Germany of the 21st century and run by the Fourth
Reich.
On 12/13/2014 01:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Have you checked out Outlander? Gorgeous production, and a pretty
interesting story to boot. The lead actress -- Catriona Balfe -- is a former
Vogue and Elle cover girl who had been studying acting before she was scouted
into the modeling world, and returned to her original dream with this series.
She's as good an actress as she is lovely.
Outlander | New Series | STARZ
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From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
We gave the first episode of Marco Polo a shot tonight and enjoyed the
hell out of it. I think this will tide me over until Da Vinci's Demons
returns, since it is in a similar vain. Beautiful production.
Is this the Weinstein Company's first venture into television?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
Better to be a dick than to stand around waving one. :-) But to correct Edg, it's not just him that's not worth arguing with. It's everyone. Arguing about meaningless shit is for fools. And, obviously, dick-wavers. :-) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives Not funny. Not funny. When it comes to axioms, I'm pretty much a stubborn hardass wanting his own way. Plus, the joke was from Terk, (which rhymes with unwiped asshole) so we know the intent was to, well, let's spell it out: Turqy was once again trying to portray my mind as inferior to such a degree that a cogent reply to anything I might come up with was completely unnecessary. To dismiss so trollfully is the mark of a mind that can't muster even the first counter argument in a debate -- and knows it. He's a coward, but not even a clever one as he tries to prevent his lack of ken from being discovered. Who here doesn't know how shallow his reach is? I don't like his personality -- it's a shambles of brokenness, and he knows it, so he keeps poking at me and anyone who has a POV -- trying to get at folks so's they are embarrassed to even show up, let alone speak up, while all the time keeping the attentions of everyone on anything but his own flaws. In short the guy is a dick. A fuck. A mean, lost, creepy-ass schizoid out to harm big, harm small, harm harm harm. A guy who'd be beat up instantly if he pulled this shit in a bar.No way he's still living if he was like this in real life. So, no, I'm not laughing at someone who comes here to SOLELY try to piss everyone off without regard for true inquiry, scholarship or merits of the debate topic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Ya talkin' about WillyTex? Looks like he now pestering The Peak. :-D
Nah. Edg has always disliked me because I've never taken him and his posturing
seriously. Never. Not even once. Never will.
WillyTex he might be able to overlook, but that, he can never forgive. :-)
On 12/15/2014 09:42 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Not funny. Not funny. When it comes to axioms, I'm pretty much a stubborn
hardass wanting his own way.
Plus, the joke was from Terk, (which rhymes with unwiped asshole) so we know
the intent was to, well, let's spell it out: Turqy was once again trying to
portray my mind as inferior to such a degree that a cogent reply to anything I
might come up with was completely unnecessary.
To dismiss so trollfully is the mark of a mind that can't muster even the
first counter argument in a debate -- and knows it. He's a coward, but not
even a clever one as he tries to prevent his lack of ken from being discovered.
Who here doesn't know how shallow his reach is?
I don't like his personality -- it's a shambles of brokenness, and he knows
it, so he keeps poking at me and anyone who has a POV -- trying to get at folks
so's they are embarrassed to even show up, let alone speak up, while all the
time keeping the attentions of everyone on anything but his own flaws.
In short the guy is a dick. A fuck. A mean, lost, creepy-ass schizoid out to
harm big, harm small, harm harm harm. A guy who'd be beat up instantly if he
pulled this shit in a bar.No way he's still living if he was like this in real
life.
So, no, I'm not laughing at someone who comes here to SOLELY try to piss
everyone off without regard for true inquiry, scholarship or merits of the
debate topic.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Edg seems to have caught something from Buck. Old age? :-D
Drama queen-itis.
On 12/15/2014 10:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Ya talkin' about WillyTex? Looks like he now pestering The Peak.
:-D
Nah. Edg has always disliked me because I've never taken him and his
posturing seriously. Never. Not even once. Never will.
WillyTex he might be able to overlook, but that, he can never forgive. :-)
On 12/15/2014 09:42 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Not funny. Not funny. When it comes to axioms, I'm pretty much a stubborn
hardass wanting his own way.
Plus, the joke was from Terk, (which rhymes with unwiped asshole) so we know
the intent was to, well, let's spell it out: Turqy was once again trying to
portray my mind as inferior to such a degree that a cogent reply to anything I
might come up with was completely unnecessary.
To dismiss so trollfully is the mark of a mind that can't muster even the
first counter argument in a debate -- and knows it. He's a coward, but not
even a clever one as he tries to prevent his lack of ken from being
discovered. Who here doesn't know how shallow his reach is?
I don't like his personality -- it's a shambles of brokenness, and he knows
it, so he keeps poking at me and anyone who has a POV -- trying to get at folks
so's they are embarrassed to even show up, let alone speak up, while all the
time keeping the attentions of everyone on anything but his own flaws.
In short the guy is a dick. A fuck. A mean, lost, creepy-ass schizoid out to
harm big, harm small, harm harm harm. A guy who'd be beat up instantly if he
pulled this shit in a bar.No way he's still living if he was like this in real
life.
So, no, I'm not laughing at someone who comes here to SOLELY try to piss
everyone off without regard for true inquiry, scholarship or merits of the
debate topic.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marco Polo Arrives
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