he Abstract.
You made that up.
It seems to me that you made up this interpretation. If
you disagree, please supply the TM study that tests for
exactly the same variables and in the same testing con-
ditions, and show how the findings for TM are more
"integrative." If you cannot, I don&#
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
So you admit that your only point in this is to prove
Vaj and these other researchers wrong. NOT to say anything
positive about TM.
That was my whole point.
We've discussed this before, the reasons it's BS has been explained
to L
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says "you never
show any research... no don't bother."
Actually you've showed this steaming pile of turds before. Thanks for
showing it again. It's all been refuted. Before.
Apr 25, 2012, at 4:28 AM, sparaig wrote:
Thing is, Unc, I've cited it many times. Vaj just ignores it.
Research on the physiological correlates of pure consciousness
found during TM practice:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911
Breath suspension during the transcendental medit
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:30 PM, sparaig wrote:
"If you won't list the papers, I won't respond. If you do list the
papers I won't respond."
I'm just saying don't waste your time unless it's something new -
I've heard it all before.
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:00 PM, sparaig wrote:
> I am speaking words and you are hearing different ones.
>
> THe most interesting research on TM has all been published since 1980. If
> evaluations of the "significance" of EEG results during TM don't look at the
> papers published in the last 30+
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:28 PM, marekreavis wrote:
> ***
> This is a new concept for me. It was never my understanding that "not losing
> awareness in sleep", as referenced by Maharishi and the TMO, meant remaining
> "aware of sensory data" or "awareness of events through mechanisms outside
> the
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > Sez who? Someone citing an evaluation of TM research from 30 years ago.
> >
> >
On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Sez who? Someone citing an evaluation of TM research from 30 years ago.
Barbara Brown was the person who popularized the use of EEG in the biofeedback
movement. In fact, I believe she actually started the use of the word
biofeedback...
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Susan wrote:
> Vaj, I can't speak to the quality of the TM research, but I wonder why you
> are so certain that no one doing TM is witnessing during the day and/or at
> night? Witnessing is not such an unusual experience - and I am not talking
>
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:59 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Radically coherent alpha EEG across multiple leads is "hypervigilance?
>
> You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
The type of alpha coherence seen in TMers ain’t any big deal Lawson. And as
Barbara Brown once s
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > You were the one who settled for "witnessing 24/7" as
> > a significator of enlightenment (CC), or even the
> > beginnings of it. I do not. I have higher standards.
> > I wa
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:04 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Does "24/7 witnessing" constitute your definition of
> full enlightenment? I seem to remember Maharishi's
> definition of what he considered full enlightenment
> (Unity Consciousness) as, "Being able to perform
> the sidhis, especially being able
On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:15 AM, cardemaister wrote:
From the POV of kuNDali-yoga ("kundalini-yoga"), it seems to
me almost the only important naaDii-s are iDaa, pin.galaa (ping-
galaa) and suSumnaa (sushumnaa). YMMV, of course...
He did not seem to be aware of or understand the relationship f
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:26 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
In this latest round of the re-enactment, it seems to me
that Nabby, Lawson, and Judy are taking the "will to believe"
position. Their comments seem (to me) driven by the desire
to believe that Maharishi knew what he was doing in setting
things up
On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:12 PM, sparaig wrote:
> I hope we're right... ;-)
If the spirit of TM was merely the sum of various dogmas strung together from
SCI and TM slogans, then Judy and Lawson might be preserving the purity of the
tradition. But what’s happened is you two have just taken TM dogm
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:16 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:51 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > And given that, where's the effort? Worrying about effort is futile. TM
> > &
On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:51 PM, sparaig wrote:
> And given that, where's the effort? Worrying about effort is futile. TM
> practice takes advantage of the mind's natural tendency.
And for you remembering is not the mind’s natural tendency?
On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:36 PM, cardemaister wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:44 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > How can it take effort to become spontaneously aware of something?
> >
> &
On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:44 PM, sparaig wrote:
> How can it take effort to become spontaneously aware of something?
Because it takes smriti or “remembering”-awareness or you “forget” to return to
the mantra. Those without smriti in their practice languish in discursive
thoughts - and fail at TM,
On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Buck wrote:
> Minding meditation and Effortless semantics
>
> Yes it's interesting, TM as meditation evidently is not all one thing. I have
> these old tapes of Maharishi from 1960's teacher training lectures in India.
> One whole lecture loop he goes through he w
On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:56 PM, sparaig wrote:
> But obviously these new findings should have alerted all teh physicists of
> the world to take note since it establishes non-material phenomenon...
That’s one of the reasons they’re using the EEG deep sleep fingerprint, so you
could actually recog
On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:45 PM, PaliGap wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > I just see it as a practice with no real pedigree,
>
> Oh nos - it's a MONGREL! Look down our noses!
He’s already been put to sleep.
On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:40 PM, PaliGap wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > At the level of PC the body no longer requires a physical
> > nervous system.
>
> ooo sez? U?
>
> Science? Faith? Hogwash?
Real yogis.
On Apr 21, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> > > Someone actually called it "fraudulent methodology"
> > > or is that your term?
> > >
> Vaj:
> > Haven't read it in years, but "poor methodology" is
> >
On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:39 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> Just my two cents:
>
> IMO, PC has nothing to do with the physical body.
> But the body always requires a physical nervous system?
> Isn't PC "beyond" even aakaasha, and thus, kevala?
>
> sattva-puruSayor ***atyantaasaMkiirNayoH***...
My poin
On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:43 AM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > That might be the case, but again, it depends on the current nervous
> > > system. SOm
On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:42 AM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > > >
> > &
On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:41 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:29 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > You quoted the Cambridge Handbook about TM. That is the authors' attitude
&g
On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> OK let me revise that statement: in my *opinion* you characterise TM as being
> practically worthless, at least you give this impression just about every
> time you write about it.
I just see it as a practice with no real pedigree,
On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
> That might be the case, but again, it depends on the current nervous system.
> SOmeone might have PC regularly every meditation period for years at a time,
> and then suddenly, not have any PC episodes for years at a time.
At the level of PC the
On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > Well, R. Keith Wallace's original PhD thesis from 1970 suggested
> > > this, b
On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:29 PM, sparaig wrote:
> You quoted the Cambridge Handbook about TM. That is the authors' attitude on
> the subject.
It’s not an “attitude”. It’s plainly citing evidence and what that evidence
shows.
> Given that they believe what they say, why would they bother to includ
On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:25 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> Of course the lineal explanation is clear: if you're actually
> experiencing PC, need for sleep dramatically decreases. Same with
> witnessing: the well observed
MIT reviews Vic Stenger's new work, God and the Folly of Faith.
http://tech.mit.edu/V132/N19/stenger.html
Victor Stenger has written a wickedly powerful book, so sharp and
heretical that had it been published four centuries ago, the author
would have been extra-crispy by the time the neares
I
covered this previously in my "lies of TM" series. It actually turned
out, TM was not significantly different from napping.
I should also point out that it was this graph that actually
convinced a 14-year old Vaj to begin TM in the first place!
On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:00 AM, sparaig wrote:
> Now Vaj is right about falling asleep in TM, but if someone has
been practicing TM for many, many years, does this still happen or
happen as often?
>
IMpossible to say. How much and how often you sleep would be
dependent on the current
On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
Well, R. Keith Wallace's original PhD thesis from 1970 suggested
this, but the claim hasn't been made in decades that I am aware of.
Keith Wallace was found to be using fraudulent methodology and was
forced to retract most of his claims. So shor
en suppose one
compared that with a fourth group which practiced TM half of that
time, and mindfulness other other half.
Now Vaj is right about falling asleep in TM, but if someone has
been practicing TM for many, many years, does this still happen or
happen as often?
I believe we have
On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:15 PM, sparaig wrote:
Convenient. The same researchers have said that they won't pay
attention to the Pure Consciousness research until there is a
Western theory that explains why it is of value.
That makes sense. No one's ever shown that there is such a thing as
"
On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:34 PM, sparaig wrote:
Read that passage that Vaj quoted. The researchers who conducted
this experiment are the same ones who wrote that chapter. They see
no reason to include TM in any experiment for the reasons they give
in that chapter.
Where do they say that
On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
> The most interesting studies on TM started to appear in 1980 with the first
> Pure Consciousness study. The latest study cited in that passage was 1980. A
> clear pattern that I have pointed out to you before which you continue to
> deny exists.
On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Wilfried Richter wrote:
wilfried richter Kolheimer Str. 14 27442 Gnarrenburg
Tel.: 04763 1072Fax: 04763 1074
Other relaxation techniques have led
to the same EEG profile [as TM], and studies that
employed counter-balanced control relaxation
On Apr 19, 2012, at 1:10 AM, John wrote:
The study states as follows:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business-tech/science/
120315/meditation-can-speed-the-brain-researchers-say
This of course applies to Mindfulness Meditation practitioners, the
most researched form of meditation
On Apr 18, 2012, at 1:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
I have an old copy of _The Problem of Pure Consciousness_. Foreman
had invited Skip Alexander at MIU to contribute a chapter on the
physiology of pure consciousness, but the editor deleted it, saying
it was too different than the rest of the book
On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:37 AM, PaliGap wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-
> experiences-shrink-part-of-brain
>
> No surprise here: just listen to right wing ideologues and you can
> tell: it
Time for Ted to have vacation to Club Gitmo. Didn't they used to
shoot traitors?
On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:51 AM, raunchydog wrote:
"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will
be either be dead or in jail by this time next year." Ted Nugent's
latest insanity isn't hyperbo
On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:13 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
Actually not. The Dalai Lama is on record as saying
that science should be used to investigate Buddhist
dogma, *but* that if the science winds up disproving
the dogma, then it's the *dogma* that has to change,
because it's wrong. Can you imagine MM
On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
Color me unimpressed. There may or may not be any value
in "spending a huge amount of time in Maharishi's presence,"
and neither I nor anyone here knows anything about his
supposed state of consciousness. But I do not for a moment
consider him a sc
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-
experiences-shrink-part-of-brain
No surprise here: just listen to right wing ideologues and you can
tell: it's as if a part of their brain was missing. But now there is
proof Jesus and God are shrinking their brains.
On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
> Rick -- did you ever try to get Tony for an interview?
>
> I'm betting you didn't trycuz, you know, Tony would be insulted that he
> was "just another" like your other interviewees.
>
> So, that concept being on the table; let me ask ya, Ric
On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> I wonder whether, when he was given his weight in gold, he got to keep the
> money, or whether the TMO scarfed it up.
>
A great interview question for you. :-)
On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Eh, MMY liked him.
>
> Also, "pampered rich guy" may not be a proper description of him.
Intelligent and charming actually would. One thing that’s not mentioned enough
is that the guess does beguile with intelligence and sincerity. He truly
beli
On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
Self checking -- who doesn't do it? I never thought my meditation
instructions were not being honored, and yet there's always someone
like Nabby who contends that a long time meditator can be "off"
somehow and deeply into straining and forcing
On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:34 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Please tape it, Edg. I for one can't wait to get to the
to part where the TMer being checked says, "I transcended
for the entire 20 minutes...not a single thought in that
time," and Nabby says, "Yes, good, fine, etc. Now describe
to me your experi
On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
Nabby, will you check me by phone? I need to know it's going to be
a valid checking session, and YOU'RE the one FFLer who's sure to
know his checking notes.
There used to be an HTML based checking guide online where you could
do it on your
He can recommend the monks show something, but individual monks will
all have taken some very serious vows in regards to secrecy and thus
have to decide for themselves what they will share and what they
cannot. For example, in the early tests on samadhi meditators the
yogis in question live
On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, sparaig wrote:
> The monks that the Dali Lama sent Herbert Benson to when he asked about
> Buddhist levitation practices were actually attempting to "sit in the air" by
> getting into padmaasana from a standing position before they touched the
> ground.
That’s ac
On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2012, at 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > > > And the Maharishi's stuff has always been about quality
> > > >
On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 2 Maharishi Ayurveda products were found to exceed specific California
> guidelines out of 17 tested.
>
> http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/300/8/915
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-08-26-ayurvedic-medicines_N.htm
>
> The two products
On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> Which study ?
Great question! I’m glad to bring out this knowledge of how Maharishi Ayurveda
has poisoned people. Indeed poisoning has been a major theme in Maharishi’s
career, from the poisoning of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati to the poison
On Apr 14, 2012, at 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> > And the Maharishi's stuff has always been about quality
> > control, or do you have any credible reason to believe
> > otherwise?
>
> I think that's what he would have told himself. I do
> not necessarily believe either 1) that he was in a
>
On Apr 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, sparaig wrote:
> And the Maharishiâ„¢ stuff has always been about quality control, or do you
> have any credible reason to believe otherwise?
In a scientific study that looked at unannounced procurements of Ayurvedic
medicines, numerous samples of Maharishi Ayurv
On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Dr. Jessie wrote:
> It is always interesting to me when individuals hijack someone elses work and
> then don't give them credit. This so called non-dual meditation is a hijacked
> form of Jacobsons Relaxation Technique.
IOW, it’s not from an actual nonduality teac
On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:19 PM, cardemaister wrote:
> Seem to recall after a couple of days after learning to "fly" during
> my sidhis-course became so supple that could easily put my
> head between my knees.
>
> Have never before and after that had such a "rubbery" feeling
> in my body.
>
> Is i
No connection at all Nabby, sorry to disappoint!
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:32 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote:
> >
> > This straight, married male was pinned face-down across Rich's desk by the
> > guards [the Dorje Kasung] while
On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:11 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Well, for Ayurveda, he invited the top people in India to help him. For
> Gandharva Veda, the same. For every one of the non-TM things he was involved
> with, he managed to get some pretty heavy-hitting Names to help him.
Instead of “managed to get
On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Yep. Add to that the prevalent attitude that TM is "all you need" and the
> giant banner headline at the top of the MUM website (until it was taken down
> after the incident) that TM reduces your need for medication, and you have a
> perfect recipe
On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:02 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> No Lawson, not at all. I saw Vaj's language as what
> I believe it was, the suggestion of a far greater
> failing.
Precisely my point.
On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:47 PM, sparaig wrote:
> The wording is such that it implied that the guy realized that the kid was
> going to commit a murder and chose to meditate instead.
Methinks you be, uh, spinning my intended meaning not just a ‘little bit’ there
Lawson.
>
> Very unimpressive spi
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
It is rare that anyone ever encounters a life
threatening encounter with an adversary. And, TM does
not include avoiding taking action in an emergency,
or harboring revenge thoughts.
If you two are going to dialog here about TM, you
need
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
In several posts over the past ten years I've been
asking these question and not getting any answers.
If your teacher never taught you that, then that's who you have to
blame. I'm sorry to hear he kept you waiting so long.
Go figure
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:08 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> > What a ridiculous statement that is, Judy! I have taught TM and
> > you haven't and neither has Lawson. You are both
On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:25 PM, raunchydog wrote:
"A close scrutiny of Patanjali's exposition of Yoga reveals that
the actual process of attaining the state of Yoga belongs not only
to dhyana, or meditation,...but also to all the other limbs of his
eightfold Yoga. Each limb presents the prin
On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
What a ridiculous statement that is, Judy! I have taught TM and you
haven't and neither has Lawson. You are both dilettantes!
Yes, but robots are good at repeating what they heard!
On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
But then we see the same thing every day on Internet
forums, to a lesser degree. Someone gets their buttons
pushed because someone else doesn't recognize them as
the "authority" they think themselves to be, or because
the other person sees them di
On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:08 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> No nirodha for you then.
>
Bullshit!? You seem to think 'citta-vRtti-nirodha' applies only
to 'asaMprajnaata-samaadhi'?!
Kind of irrelevant re: TM when neither occurs in that practice.
Practicing an ineffective relaxation technique is lik
On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:38 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
That one for me kinda wraps up all the other afflictive emotions into
one big, shiny package. I mean, in order to want to seek revenge on
someone, you've got to be able to: 1) have had your emotional buttons
pushed by the revengee so badly as to wa
On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
[Temporary Internet connexion during my travels]
I found at an early age that making up one's own religion saves a
lot of work and results in a much more pleasant life. You can
choose a god, or no god, and what you must do or not
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:25 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > My point is that its not an either/or, or more importantly,
that ease is the guideline rather than some specific g
On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:40 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Raunchy, I don't think Lawson was ever a teacher and maybe never
even a
checker. ;-)
As several initiators have explained to him before, he has some real
OCD and errant ideas about what TM is.
On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:31 PM, raunchydog wrote:
Not sure what you're looking for Lawson, but according to my
checking notes in the general point "Over Powering Thoughts" when
it's not possible to pick up the mantra we let the mind be easy and
the mind will be naturally drawn to some physica
On Apr 11, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Until you learn mantra
shastra you will just be another blind man describing an elephant. But
then it's always amusing to hear what the blind men think they
see. :-D
Unless they get stepped on...
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:32 PM, sparaig wrote:
MMY used to claim that someone who was enlightened would be unable
to make a mistake, or similar words. What did he mean?
He was talking about the difference between deluded perception and
direct perception.
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote:
An interesting thing about Shankara's take on the "average joe on
the street":
MMY's assertion is that householders should use bija mantras
isntead of OM.
Many people claim that this is a no-no, but it is, in fact, exactly
what Shankara said
On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such
that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic depth of
your form of Buddhism? It took me three years of reading about
Advaita before I really thought I had intelle
On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, wgm4u wrote:
Lyou said that was your 'old' Guru, is MMY your old guru?,
sorry if I misunderstood??. Though I understand the idea of CC
being not the final or ultimate state of realization, I certainly
wouldn't describe it as 'glorified ignorance' though tha
On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:02 PM, wgm4u wrote:
> I'm not sure if he did it on purpose or if he, himself, actually believed
> everything he espoused.
That’s what I mean when I say he had this “Indian rug saleman” kinda side to
him. And then I laugh. Some of those Indian guys, the crushing poverty an
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku
>
> Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of this
> one. Feel free to flame in the original thread if you like.
Tha
On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, awoelflebater wrote:
Ah, but I think you confuse moodmaker with someone who could appear
egotistical, even a megalomaniac.
I was tapping into his obvious use of drama and the need to be both
director and actor. Draaahma-maker = Moodmaker.
I believe his senti
On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:50 AM, awoelflebater wrote:
Vaj, I think you could have picked a much better example of a mood
maker, for goodness sake, Barry is more of a bliss ninny than Robin
ever was. Robin was the renegade, the upstart the guy who was the
very antithesis of that. You should
On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:08 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "iamyukta" wrote:
> >
> >
> > I do not understand the term "mood maker"?? Could you please
define this for me.
>
>
>
> In most cases a m
On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:46 PM, iamyukta wrote:
I do not understand the term "mood maker"?? Could you please define
this for me.
My dictionary has a little engraving of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen in
it, if that helps.
:-)
On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:53 AM, sparaig wrote:
Except, of course, there's no TM-speak way of saying that because
it makes no sense according to theory, nor according to my own
experience (or lack thereof).
Never got the Age of Enlightenment technique, or as some people
called it "the seve
On Apr 9, 2012, at 1:49 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
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> > It is also certainly possible that there are
> > different markers for different kinds of meditati
On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
It is also certainly possible that there are
different markers for different kinds of meditation.
It is known that Buddhist mindfulness meditation
results in an increase in gray matter in the brain.
That could be the case for TMers
On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
I do not think there is scientific evidence of anyone ever, being
enlightened.
There actually is research project looking into the graduated
neurological and biological processes in awakening and Buddhahood.
It will probably be
On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:44 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
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> >>> His life is actually what I'd expect an illegitimate guru to be like:
>
> >
On Apr 8, 2012, at 6:31 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> wrote:
> >
> > When Turq said eternity is the teacher, this is
> > pretty much correct I think.
>
> I am not convinced that the very concept of "correct"
> maps to this or any sp
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:36 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:44 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> > > > His life is actually what I'd expect an illegitimate guru to be like:
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