[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
You were in a publicly known place with other people, with a very popular person; one cannot be private in such a situation, one is seen in such a situation; you may even have been photographed in such a situation. That is public knowledge even though you might want to hide such behaviour from a certain organisation, but you were seen. In the light of your comments in the past, you would be considered what you have called others, an apostate. The other comments were factual, concerning your behaviour in the past, what you publicly posted on Fairfield Life, so it is not a slur. Your name was not mentioned in the post, and everybody knows it anyway, you never requested anonymity when you were on FFL. End of Message. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of the yahoo-groups guidelines of invading privacy or slurring people on yahoo-groups. Bye.
[FairfieldLife] Apostates
I hear our moderator, a TM apostate now, was up visiting one of the non-approved Indian saints up in Chicago. As one of FFL's biggest spammers and generally non-interactive complainer, he has been relatively silent now that he holds the moderator button. In particular with that complete lack of transparency as far as TuquoiseBee was concerned. The few glimpses he gave for reasons to press the delete button on him were absurdly implausible, considering things that have gotten by subsequently. I mean, if a single poster negatively impacts your view of spirituality, and you cannot stand up to that person while in the relative safety of online discourse, it only shows that whatever spirituality you have got is meaningless and in a practical sense, ineffective, and have a need to resort to secrecy and subterfuge to achieve ones goal. Spirituality, and most other disciplines are laced with all kinds of absurd beliefs which followers seem to have a need to maintain. Some of these absurd beliefs are temporary necessities on a spiritual path because they provide a soft landing for the passage of various experiences (TC, CC, GC, UC, experiences like that), but in the end they all go if you find what you were actually seeking. Yet it seems inevitable that spiritual teachings are adopted not because they are true, but because they provide an axe with which the human ego can justify its carnage in the world by acting as if those ridiculous statements about reality were true, hiding the doubts that surround such beliefs from itself. There is a certain humour in the human condition here, well stated by Andy Borowitz: MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report) – Scientists have discovered a powerful new strain of fact-resistant humans who are threatening the ability of Earth to sustain life, a sobering new study reports. The research, conducted by the University of Minnesota, identifies a virulent strain of humans who are virtually immune to any form of verifiable knowledge, leaving scientists at a loss as to how to combat them. 'These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process information,' Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the study, said. 'And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive.' More worryingly, Logsdon said, 'As facts have multiplied, their defenses against those facts have only grown more powerful.' While scientists have no clear understanding of the mechanisms that prevent the fact-resistant humans from absorbing data, they theorize that the strain may have developed the ability to intercept and discard information en route from the auditory nerve to the brain. 'The normal functions of human consciousness have been completely nullified,' Logsdon said. While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. 'Our research is very preliminary, but it’s possible that they will become more receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or oxygen,' he said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
My sister still lives in the Bay Area and she was always stuck in traffic when I talked to her on her mobile (cell phone) because she worked in the city. She seems to have retired now, tired of the hassle of driving around. I have not been back there for some time now. My car has over 200K miles on it now. The official repair shop said the older models were lasting better than the newer ones. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know what you mean. You know the Bay Area and San Francisco is probably getting as bad as New York to drive into. And it is only about 35 miles away from here. Last time I did that was 3 years ago for a conference. My car is 17 years old but then it's a Subaru Forester and I've kept it up. Funny thing, the dealer left a robocall the other day that I hadn't been in for service since 2009. Yup, I found a independent shop up the street that has a Subaru mechanic and they've been keeping it up for me. And they cost less than the dealer. I don't need to do much driving since everything is just a few miles away. But I did have to replace a few things around 110,000 miles and those will be good for another 100K. On 07/05/2015 08:27 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations. I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these appointments seem to be increasing in frequency. My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense. The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too. Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's unusual. - From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply never showed up, and now I don't see your original message. But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon. That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine somewhere else. We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids. I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally, but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere. And me, being a sucker for "darshan", of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge. Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be DIKSHIT Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit or Dikshitar (/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and literally translates as "one ... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
I have not been to the World Trade Center area since 2001. About three months
after the attack, I walked around the entire complex, which was boarded off,
except for the egress road where they were carting debris out of the area. An
endless stream of large trucks carrying beams and concrete and other rubble.
I recall flying (not me as pilot of course) within a couple of hundred feet of
the towers back in the 1980s in a small plane. And being up on the observation
deck of one of the towers, maybe in 1979.
Security in the city varies depending on assessed threat level.
How is St. Pat's, I have not been in there for a while, is the scaffolding on
the inside finally gone? Sometime I meditate in Cathedrals. There is another
called St. Mary's just off Times Square and it seems a bit quieter. I am of
course not Catholic, I am blissfully non-theistic, invading the sacred spaces
of the reality challenged.
On Sunday, July 5, 2015 4:32 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
wrote:
Xeno, thank you for your detailed response.
I enjoyed every minute of it!
Oh, a little follow up on Bhairitu's comment about high security in NYC.
As I met my wife and daughter after they attended Mass at St. Patrick's
Cathedral ,there was a heavy police presence,. They were with armed semi, or
fully automatic assault rifles and other gear. So, that was interesting.
Also, the two Memorial Pools at the 9-11 site, marking the location of the two
towers, was very impressive, IMO.
Everything to do with the memorial was controversial including the memorials,
but I found them to be rather perfect.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.
I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I
drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency.
My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense.
The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo
club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to
get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the
rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too.
Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's
unusual.
-
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply
never showed up, and now I don't see your original message.
But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon.
That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine
somewhere else.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids.
I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally,
but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere.
And me, being a sucker for "darshan", of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge.
Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be
DIKSHIT
Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
| |
| | Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit or Dikshitar
(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and
literally translates as "one ... | |
| View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and
intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.
I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I
drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency.
My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense.
The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo
club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to
get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the
rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too.
Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's
unusual.
-
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply
never showed up, and now I don't see your original message.
But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon.
That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine
somewhere else.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids.
I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally,
but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere.
And me, being a sucker for "darshan", of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge.
Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be
DIKSHIT
Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
| |
| | Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit or Dikshitar
(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and
literally translates as "one ... | |
| View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and
intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.
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[FairfieldLife] PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be DIKSHIT Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikshit Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikshit Dikshit or Dikshitar (/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and literally translates as "one ... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikshit Preview by Yahoo This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We Were at this Place Today [1 Attachment]
The one time I was at the Cloisters, my camera died. I was photographing a
wooden statue of Jesus, and the camera's life came to an end, unrepairable.
What can you expect from a Jesus dummy. As the ticket also included the Met
museum as well, I went there next. I took an image of an Egyptian statue, some
tomb builder or something who lived several thousand years ago.
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 2:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We Were at this Place Today
well, actually you go back in time.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I had no idea that anything physically existed above Central Park.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
We were at this place today.
Visit The Cloisters | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
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Was gonna invite xeno to meet us for lunch one day up here in NYC, but guess
that ain't gonna happen.
Got some funny directions leaving the museum trying to find the subway,and we
ended up walking two miles along the freeway, looking down at the Hudson River,
before we finally found it.
Ain't a lot of green in NYC, but we had a nice stroll through Central Park.
Tired as hell, but we're gonna have some dindin, and check out Times Square.
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[FairfieldLife] A Previous Farewell
The following is a previous farewell to FFL. I ran it through Google Translate, translating the original post into various languages one to the other, and finally back into English. This is kind of what happens when, even just in English, one person listens to another. What is said goes through a translation process, in a different neural net, with different connexions and different inputs, and differences in the base programme. Rick, I'm sorry, a forum on sexual violence against children, it can be assumed that this is not what you want. I must, unfortunately, you can tell really bad. I think I have to include a detailed report on the title screen of the ongoing activities of Yahoo, Yahoo is a local company. After Barry, a friend, to use a poor excuse, because there is no sound, it is clear that it is balanced. It does not participate in all the healthy environment for. I do not agree with another opinion, to choose that any mental illness to play, I have to participate can be fun, I think this is one of the representatives of the victim you. Bless!
[FairfieldLife] Freedom of Speech
I just plugged a query about freedom of speech into an artificial intelligence robot. Here is the reply: 'Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people May find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are almost always permitted.' FFL is less liberal now than the United States, while still being in the United States, having a lack of transparency, a certain arbitrary* oversight that is certainly not based on any rational criteria. Even a computer has better judgement. *ARBITRARY: based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system; unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
[FairfieldLife] FFL
zzz..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self/Less
Another way to enter a person's body is to fire large bullets at it, and then stick your hands in the holes. If you want to make money doing this, it is probably better to train as a thoracic surgeon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Patanjali mentioned that there is a siddhi for entering somebody's body through one's own consciousness. But that would mean leaving your own body. The Srimad Bhagavatam stated that this was accomplished by someone in one of it's chapters. I'm sure MMY was familiar with this sutra. However, we don't know if he had experimented with this sutra and tried the technique with one of the Purusha members. So far, with the known TM siddhi techniques, we have not seen anyone floating in the air, nor walking through walls. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : New movie that could have an appeal for FFL. In Self/Less an extremely wealthy man (Ben Kingsley), dying from cancer, undergoes a radical medical procedure that transfers his consciousness into the body of a healthy young man (Ryan Reynolds). It's not been released yet so it's a pity Barry isn't still posting here as he's probably seen it via some dodgy download site. Hey! There isn't a TM Sidhi for securing immortality is there? (Or is that reserved for those with golden crowns?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3agaVwt0tb8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3agaVwt0tb8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Accounts without evidence are hearsay. The boy without food or water is interesting. These accounts always tend to be superficial investigation in which the person is not placed in a real scientific environment where variables can be constrained. The person tends to be in control to some extent. There are a number of things one can look for. The film crew (videos on YouTube are missing) only films up to the upper limit of what is known about people living without water (typically three or four days). Yogananda gives a report of a woman who never ate, under completely uncontrolled conditions, but Yogananda was pretty gullible. Basically you would look for hidden sources of food and water, and extend observation to the full time period, and check the person for hidden pockets in clothing etc. If you postulate an alternative record keeping source to the 'akashic records', say a made up 'quantum gap storage field', and have similar accounts of people accessing it, how do you tell the difference? The number of people attesting to something does not provide concrete evidence of its existence. This is a basic problem with spirituality, why people tend to have wide disagreement as to what is true and real. Subjective verification of say, a state of consciousness, does not provide verification for someone else who did not have that experience. Prior to being born, I spent billions of years without food and water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, there are detailed accounts of individuals accessing the Akashic Records , but in a subjective, non verifiable way. Hence, here at least, I don't think you have anyone lobbying for its existence. I have read enough accounts to make me believe it exists. On the other hand, I have always enjoyed reading accounts of this sort, so it is always of interest. And, of course, what is said to be far fetched, or impossible at one point in time, has become the reality, and commonplace little farther down the line. Speaking of unexplained phenomena in the here and now, what would you make of something like this? “Buddha Boy” Goes 10 Months Without Food Or Water, Scientific Community Is Baffled http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/ http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/ “Buddha Boy” Goes 10 Months Without Food Or W... http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/ Is it possible for humans to not eat or consume water for longer than 3 or 4 days? What used to be scientifically impossible is now under great question ... View on www.collective-evolut... http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/07/buddha-boy-goes-10-months-without-food-or-water-scientific-community-is-baffled/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip I agree with Michael, that the idea seems to be woo bullshit. In a scientific system (physics) the differential equations can show the state of a system past, present, and future, if you have some data to plug in, but the indeterminacy effect of the statistical uncertainty in quantum mechanics makes dredging up the past or predicting the future fuzzy. Also in Woo-land the mechanics of how 'akashic records' could be accessed does not seem to be described with any particular clarity. The only really certain thing is the strong belief that people have in what they imagine to be true. It seems to me the universe has properties that prevent us from finding out stuff beyond a certain level of detail. For example, the speed of light prevents us from knowing what is happening in distant galaxies now, we only can see the way they were millions of years ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As usual, you are pretty funny Michael. Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records. Does that mean they are real? I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you? But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone who ever gave a lecture Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who purport to read t
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Accroding to Wikipedia: 'Akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space", "luminous", or "æther", and it entered the language of theosophy through H. P. Blavatsky (1831-1891), who characterized it as a sort of life force; she also referred to "indestructible tablets of the astral light" recording both the past and future of human thought and action, but she did not use the term "akashic". The notion of an akashic record is attributed to Alfred Percy Sinnett, who, in his book Esoteric Buddhism (1884), wrote of a Buddhist belief in "a permanency of records in the Akasa" and "the potential capacity of man to read the same."By C. W. Leadbeater's Clairvoyance (1899) the association of the term with the idea was complete, and he identified the akashic records by name as something a clairvoyant could read. According to Marshal McKusick, former professor of Anthropology at the University of Iowa, the term Akashic record was created by Rudolf Steiner.' If this is correct, Blavatsky did not use the term 'akashic records'. I agree with Michael, that the idea seems to be woo bullshit. In a scientific system (physics) the differential equations can show the state of a system past, present, and future, if you have some data to plug in, but the indeterminacy effect of the statistical uncertainty in quantum mechanics makes dredging up the past or predicting the future fuzzy. Also in Woo-land the mechanics of how 'akashic records' could be accessed does not seem to be described with any particular clarity. The only really certain thing is the strong belief that people have in what they imagine to be true. It seems to me the universe has properties that prevent us from finding out stuff beyond a certain level of detail. For example, the speed of light prevents us from knowing what is happening in distant galaxies now, we only can see the way they were millions of years ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As usual, you are pretty funny Michael. Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records. Does that mean they are real? I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you? But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone who ever gave a lecture Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who purport to read them for folks, always for a fee of course. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics? Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others on the subject. I didn't find them varying much in the description. Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in some kind of "ether" or "celestial realms". This is something that has not been researched much. This would mean that human beings are a "terminal" to a cosmic computer. :-D On 06/28/2015 02:17 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: which akashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a few depending on which new age whacko you consult for your records From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics? The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A US Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s. I had suggested this to our development team before the paper was published and one of the project leads came across it. I recall the student got some interesting and unexpected results with his model. Neural networks are a way of learning. They've been around for awhile. My books probably date back to the 1980s. But what if our brains are really nothing more than receiver/transmitters that communicate with the "akashic record"? Yeah, a bit "woo-woo" maybe but could indeed be a possibility. Might explain some things. On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Everythingis debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligenc
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Does anyone know the brand of cigars or cigarettes that Helena Blavatsky smoked? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As usual, you are pretty funny Michael. Of course there have been numerous references to the Akashic Records before Madame Blavatsky, they just didn't call them, the Akashic Records. Does that mean they are real? I don't hear anyone claiming they are, do you? But, with your permission, perhaps we can discuss the possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Might you be willing to entertain the idea that the akashic records are just some esoteric bullshit that well meaning new age bullshiters made up, even if they really believed in their existence? I definitely include C Lutes in the ranks of esoteric new age bullshiters -for all his connections with Marshy and his declaration of being enlightened, he was as much of a fringe guy as anyone who ever gave a lecture Doesn't seem to be any record of akashic records before Blavatsky and her theosophical kooks - they made it up. Good for psychics and other readers who purport to read them for folks, always for a fee of course. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics? Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others on the subject. I didn't find them varying much in the description. Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in some kind of "ether" or "celestial realms". This is something that has not been researched much. This would mean that human beings are a "terminal" to a cosmic computer. :-D On 06/28/2015 02:17 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: which akashic record you talkin' about? there are quite a few depending on which new age whacko you consult for your records From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics? The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A US Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s. I had suggested this to our development team before the paper was published and one of the project leads came across it. I recall the student got some interesting and unexpected results with his model. Neural networks are a way of learning. They've been around for awhile. My books probably date back to the 1980s. But what if our brains are really nothing more than receiver/transmitters that communicate with the "akashic record"? Yeah, a bit "woo-woo" maybe but could indeed be a possibility. Might explain some things. On 06/28/2015 12:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Everythingis debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligence does apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence. Attempting to replicate human intelligence has so far failed because the human neural network of connexions is so complex. Many researchers are investigating insect intelligence, which is a simpler model to try to understand. That Google paper was interesting. Here is one of the conversations from that original paper: Human: what is the purpose of life? Machine: to serve the greater good. Human: what is the purpose of living? Machine: to live forever. Human: what is the purpose of existence? Machine: to find out what happens when we get to the planet earth. Human: where are y! ou now? Machine: i'm in the middle of nowhere. Human: what is the purpose of dying? Machine: to have a life. Human: what is the purpose of being intelligent? Machine: to find out what it is. Human: what is the purpose of emotions? Machine: i don't know. I attached the original paper, A Neural Conversational Model, to this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying. You seem to be saying that humans are machines too. That's debatable. In this context, we're talking about artificial intelligence which does not apply to humans. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it is worth the computing time and the bother of implementation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : One machine said NO...which is correct. It's database was based on movie scripts. But if the database included philosophical and
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Empty seems to be replying to the digest version of FFL. This does not supply a
means to duplicate the message you are responding to. To do that you have to
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no message history mechanism in the digest if you reply to the group via
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Everything is debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligence does apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence. Attempting to replicate human intelligence has so far failed because the human neural network of connexions is so complex. Many researchers are investigating insect intelligence, which is a simpler model to try to understand. That Google paper was interesting. Here is one of the conversations from that original paper: Human: what is the purpose of life? Machine: to serve the greater good. Human: what is the purpose of living? Machine: to live forever. Human: what is the purpose of existence? Machine: to find out what happens when we get to the planet earth. Human: where are you now? Machine: i'm in the middle of nowhere. Human: what is the purpose of dying? Machine: to have a life. Human: what is the purpose of being intelligent? Machine: to find out what it is. Human: what is the purpose of emotions? Machine: i don't know. I attached the original paper, A Neural Conversational Model, to this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying. You seem to be saying that humans are machines too. That's debatable. In this context, we're talking about artificial intelligence which does not apply to humans. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it is worth the computing time and the bother of implementation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One machine said NO...which is correct. It's database was based on movie scripts. But if the database included philosophical and ethics discussions, the machine could have gotten the correct answer from those discussions. Even if it got the correct answer, the machine still does not know what it said. Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Prog... http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Machine is asked to define morality, gets annoyed when it can't. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra an enigma, a paradox (Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines)
From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:02 AM
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Uncle Tantra was really a complex character.
One of the reasons you guy were so pissed with him is
because, he constantly brags about how fantastic his life
is, how much he is really enjoying is life, and how dull and
drab are the lives of other members of FFL.
A guy who is *really* enjoying his life will never brag to
others about his fantastic life, and such a person will also
never make fun of other peoples drab lives.
That is just a guess, it is certainly logically possible to have a fantastic
life and to talk about how fantastic it is.
Imagine Bill Gates coming to this forum and bragging how
rich he is and how poor we all are. You would certainly
think something is seriously wrong here.
Maybe, but Gates could prove he was richer than just about anyone else.
He was really a primadonna queen, treating this forum as his
personal blog. It ate up too much space. I warned him about
it on a few occasions, but it fell on deaf ears. He often
ranted about how well he is ignoring certain other people on
the forum. "ignore their sill asses, ignore their silly
asses" as he would say.
Barry has amazing philosophical talent and intellectual
talent. But as all immensely talented people have flaws, he
too had some.
These things don't change the fact, that I learnt a lot of
valuable things from him. I would be a churl if I denied
that.
I think he learnt most of his tacky-tawdry psychological
trickery, and a number of bad habits from that charlatan
Rama Lenz. I think it corrupted his soul, and he never
really got out of that strangle hold.
Barry also had a bright side. An amazing sense of humor. A
fine appreciation of music and movies. An excellent
understanding of both science and philosophy and how the two
fit together. Some of the conversations he had on the forum
are very memorable.
A 100 years in the future, if a historian does research on
the TM-movement, I am sure he would be mentioned in that.
--- Duveyoung wrote :
Judy said: (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
Um, that's exactly the kind of trollery that the dearly departed perfected.
YOU'RE NOT A PSYCHIATRIST.
Posts at FFL are never enough to decide on someone's integrity.
Face it, Judy, you're still smacking back, instead of turning a cheek. Are you
really that victimized by anything anyone says here?
If you won this argument, if everyone but Curtis backed you up, even then, I
don't see you getting happier, but merely going on to the next issue with the
same 'tude. Is that a fair assumption on my part? Or have I just trolled you?
After all these years, with this new-life spurt here, why not give it a rest?
You're much bigger than these tiny shit barbs. Of course, I've made it harder
to suck it up, because I'm not a pal, and here am I giving therapeutic advice,
but it is what it is.
Heh, some of my most commonly recurring truth-concepts have been taught to me
by my enemies.I'm talking serious fucking enemies who left still deeply red
scars on my soulso I have to bat away thoughts about them when I dwell with
the truths they taught.
It just so sucks, eh?
Heh, gotta ask, "what's the actual risk of Doug?" Will he bounce others? I
don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with "any reason" being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
More than you know, Bro. If anything, all I can do is excuse myself is say,
"I'm still giddy with all the new-found freedom here." But, too, yes, I do
sincerely get it that you and Turq had a robust and decent relationship here at
FFL that often served our needs. Sorry for your loss. Hey, ask Turq to tell
you where else he's posting about spiritual stuff -- maybe you guys can tag
team there!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it is worth the computing time and the bother of implementation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One machine said NO...which is correct. It's database was based on movie scripts. But if the database included philosophical and ethics discussions, the machine could have gotten the correct answer from those discussions. Even if it got the correct answer, the machine still does not know what it said. Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Prog... http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Machine is asked to define morality, gets annoyed when it can't. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/?mod=yahoo_hs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: Duveyoung
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, "what's the actual risk of Doug?" Will he bounce others?
I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with "any reason" being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.Why do you have to steel yourself
against the barbs? Why not let them just pass by like the wind. They are not
going to knock you over.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far .
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[FairfieldLife] Freedom of Speech
'What is freedom of speech anyway? There is the joke told years ago by the Russian comedian Yacov Smirnoff. He was confronted by an American bragging about freedom of speech. Smirnoff retorted: "Big deal! We also have freedom of speech in Russia. What we don’t have is freedom after speech."' Just thought our moderator would like to know the company he keeps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the
readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a
cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of
Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an
Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with
equal parts revulsion and fascination...
Exchange from a previous post:
Buck being channeled though Doug:
Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone fromFFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My
master is the list owner.We had quite sufficient back and forth about this
before taking ouradditional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in
thecontrols
Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't
that what you accused him of lying about?
I don't see it. "This" refers to "I am only the CEO. My master is the list
owner." Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well ("If Doug abuses his
authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his
moderator status").
"Pull the moderation levers in the controls" refers to Rick changing the member
settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people,
approve posts before they go up, etc.).
Where's the lie, Curtis?
Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far .
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
But what it means is something like God consciousness is not really about the consciousness of any God because the word 'God' is a metaphor, even though there is a conscious experience that has certain characteristics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Okay, that's about what I figured. I know we've covered this ground before, but sometimes revisiting, brings some new insights. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Try explaining the "absolute" and "relative" to uneducated village people. It won't work so they made up metaphors for those. Think about that picture of Kali standing on Shiva which is the active and the passive. People may worship them devotionally (Bhakti) as "gods" like they are real beings but in reality they are metaphors or devices for the forces of nature that rule the universe. It's kinda like your IP address being like 77.168.259.265 but we refer to you by your handle. Imagine if we had to refer to everyone by their IP address. BTW, the one I just gave is a "Hollywood" version which they are now using in TV shows like they use 555 telephone numbers. On 06/25/2015 10:46 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all "imaginary." On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I think of them as metaphors too, so elaboration probably is not necessary. As cultures shift and language changes, metaphors used to describe the world change. Does't give much hope to find truth in what we say about the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I like it too. What's your take on it, Xeno? Can you elaborate some on it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I like this answer. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is? All gods are metaphors so they are all "imaginary." On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
[FairfieldLife] Ethics and Driverless Cars
Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? 'Right now, ethicists have more questions than answers. Should rules governing autonomous vehicles emphasize the greater good -- the number of lives saved -- and put no value on the individuals involved?' Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies? | | | | | | | | | | | Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies?The gearheads in Detroit, Tokyo and Stuttgart have mostly figured out how to build driverless vehicles. Even the Google guys seem to have solved the riddle. | | | | View on www.bloomberg.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Appearances
I don't know what our moderator looks like. I know what Rick looks like. I typed 'Doug' into an image search, and the following image came up; perhaps one could think of it as a metaphor for something:
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I like this answer.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe
it is?
All gods are metaphors so they are all "imaginary."
On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
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[FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
Of course you did not say it. I was pretending I know what your are thinking
and what you are feeling when you post something. Now when you post, what do
you do?
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her "dumb harassment
of Xeno." How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if
not very coherently.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone
is really thinking and why.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.
I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
This place may just fade into the woodwork. It does get tiresome. I am pretty
sure Barry was feeling wearisome about it. He did post many marvellous things.
His not being here seems the result of a personal vendetta at the hands of the
moderator. The problem with power is it reveals one's corruption. Judy seemed
to lose interest, maybe she just got tired. Her method of posting did not seem
to have changed. Barry challenged people at the gut level as well as at the
intellectual level. The gut level is much more difficult to respond to because
it activates the lower emotional brain functions, and the intellect goes into
hibernation as a result. You even see this in the Bhagavad-Gita: 'From anger
delusion occurs, from delusion bewilderment of memory, after forgetfulness of
memory, the loss of spiritual intelligence, and losing spiritual intelligence,
one perishes'.
From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond
Dispatch #2)
Both, Barry and Judy are no longer posting here. I also
losing my inclination to post here.
Is it time for Rick to shut down FFL? Nothing lasts forever.
All things must end.
If Barry were around he would have quoted Nietzsche.
"Not only the wisdom of centuries --- also their madness
breaketh out in us. Dangerous is it to be an heir."
~ Nietzsche
--- wrote :
I must say I'm impressed at your patience with this bullshit Xeno. But perhaps
it's time to point out the irony in what's happening. Here we have a bunch of
people with not much to say about anything claiming that "mean old Bawee"
stopped them from posting because he was such a mean old meanie.
And here they are pouring abuse on you in the same way they claim he used to
get at them! I've said these people have no sense of awareness but isn't this
taking it too far? I think that amoeba I posted about yesterday has a better
grasp of what's going on than Ms "Back for More".
Lets make a challenge out of it. If it was the Big Bad Wolf stopping
conversations here then why haven't they started again? How come it's looking
more like a teenage girl's facebook page every day?
If you were being prevented from posting, start posting. Start a thread, say
something interesting, tell us something we didn't know, give us an insight
into something - anything.But stop this dumb harassment of Xeno, you're just
making yourself look stupid, he's got more to say than the rest of us put
together.
If you can't manage a whole thread you can share brain cells until you've
thought of something. Better still, have a look back through the archives at
some of Barry's pieces about creative writing. He posted some good essays on
how to get started on the subject because, like me, he got fed up of the lack
of participation and one line posts that add nothing that infest this place.
But any appreciation of Barry's writing and contributions about archaeology,
travel or history or even TV reviews would be a way of admitting that he made
up a huge part of what was worth reading. Can't have that eh? Got to paint him
bad and use him to blame your lack of meaningful participation on.
When was the last time Judy started a thread? Hell, when was the first time
Judy started a thread!
Make an effort, stop the hypocritical bullshit or this place will drown in
bland your pap.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
And (continuation of post #417750), the authfriend clone is the other one who
always knows what others are thinking and why.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
I am in disagreement with xeno's assertion that he (Barry) was just too clever
in his arguments such that no one could offer an effective rebuttal.
I did not say Turq was too clever, I implied that those who could not provide
an effective rebuttal could not find the right angle of attack or response.
Generally if you are attacked and have an emotional response, your IQ drops
because the fight or flight response tends to reallocate bodily resources away
from the cerebral cortex. So the first thing one had to do to respond to Turq
was not to get emotional about anything he said. You had to be neutral. That is
just the first step, and that does not mean if you chill out, it will then
work. It provides a platform from which to try various kinds of responses. To
my mind, Turq was never upset when he posted, so he was in an optimum form to
respond or not to respond what came back. If you have strong likes and dislikes
when posting, that works against you when posting against Turq.
Trust me Xeno, you are imagining things if you don't think bawee has strong
emotional responses to those he was responding to. He could not tolerate those
who didn't suck up to him or support him. Every single person who took
exception to his rantings and repetitive nonsense was an enemy in his brain and
he disliked, intensely, many people at FFL including myself. He probably has
stronger feelings about me than I do about him, in fact. For example, if you
could see him reading this right now you would see the steam emanating from
every orifice he possesses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone
is really thinking and why.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.
I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.
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Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug
Thank you Ravi. And yes, I am happy. I do not feel all that dissonant. I do not feel obsessive, it just kind of oozes out. It is hard to philosophise when you are insane, but guys like Charles Manson made interesting attempts. Keep trying. I hope your grandmother's passing was an easy one. From: dr_rc_racy To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:28 AM Subject: Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug Hi dear Grandpa Xeno - yes I'm doing very well indeed. My grandmother, alas is no longer with us, she passed away last year in April. Thank you for your concern, much appreciated. Jekyll & Hyde you say? This is my insight for you grandpa, this dissonance is the product of your mind that goes on this incessant, obsessive philosophizing, almost effortless, mechanical and autonomic, totally insulated from the truth. It fools people into believing you are presenting some sort of objective, enlightened, dispassionate, disinterested position when in reality it is masquerading your biases. I almost admire and envy this ability of you to philosophize on auto-pilot. I tried a few times to emulate you, as an experiment in response to specific situations. I tried to come up with the sort of philosophizing that you indulge in with such wild abandon and I mostly failed, it's hard. I cant' be you Grandpa Xeno. Happy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ravi, How are you these days? Is your grandmother still with us? I still remember that picture you posted. As for you, you always seemed to have Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde personality here. This here is Dr Jekyll posting. When the Mr Hyde side posted, it was difficult to respond because there was no logical handle upon which to grasp. Have you had any big insights recently? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis - you really need to stop this malice and deception please. I don't have the time or energy or the inclination to post here and re-hash old issues from 4 years back. The fact of the matter is Ravi didn't cause you any personal harm nor did I cause this international conspiracy of flooding the search engines, how hilarious and preposterous. You got a taste of your own medicine and a taste of what your pal dishes out to everyone else - gratuitous, egregious barrage of insults. Please move on Curtis - stop your poor me routine. Same goes for the likes of Xeno and empty bill, stop these personal attacks on me. Otherwise I agree with you. Doug's not the moderator I would have, he has been a TM cult enabler, an unoriginal, uninteresting poster who spammed the list repeatedly over the years. But that doesn't disqualify him from being a moderator but I would be concerned if his moderatorship results in stopping the freedom of expression FFL is renowned for. You are right in questioning his motivations in banning Barry, he just needs to state clearly why he has banned Barry that's all. As a former poster I'm glad to see Barry go, Edg's impassioned posts demonstrate why Barry has been such a toxic influence here and you Curtis have been one of his greatest enablers here, and you should be ashamed for that. Ravi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, I was not in Barry's crosshairs and you were. I never viewed you through his eyes. You and I became friends on our own as we sized each other up as good people. So I am not judging you for your opinion of him nor him for his opinion of you. That is between you two guys and is none of my business. I always deal one on one and make up my own mind on people here. If I was Barry's target I would probably feel as you do. But I would just tune him out like I did others who went after me or find a way to interact that suited my writing interests. And I might write as you have dancing on his grave a bit. I get the appeal and I always enjoy reading you whatever the topic. But the bigger issue for me isn't Barry, it is an environment I have valued for a place to exercise free thought. It has been hijacked by someone who not only does not value free expression, he has acted against it. I know you felt the chill when he went after that Lynch comment as an actionable offense. If we want to understand what freedom of speech is all about, defend it for someone whose views we disagree with. I used to argue against banning Ravi for raving here until he crossed over a clear line of personal harm. I thought he deserved to be able to post because I didn't want anyone making that kind of content judgement calls on anyone here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I would be willing to give Turq an offer to post ONCE more.cuz it'd be great to see how hard he'd cram everything into it. Hilarious, right? I tried hard as hell to like Turq, because: Curtis. I'd do numbers on my head about "Turq's a good writer, posts some newsy stuff, gives some headsup
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch
#2)---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation,
What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is
rather far fetched.
I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM
Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place
was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his
malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed
conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to
assert that FFL, of all places, was "the best place to find a decent
conversation", is perverse if not simply bizarre.
It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the
people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip
over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol
that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In
the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there
were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The
main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they
create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a
much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I
made it personal, I used "I" a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the
abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or
professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure.
Sorry, but it's true.
No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my
account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over
and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk
that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss.
Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that.
You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform.
There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became
"enlightened" or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no
"too bad" for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have
lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours.
It's all in the eye of the beholder, and it's 'eye', not eyes. POVs are not
interchangeable. I have not lost anything that is real. I lost a lot of other
stuff though. I could lose some more; it is a waste of time to seek what cannot
be found.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
I am in disagreement with xeno's assertion that he (Barry) was just too clever
in his arguments such that no one could offer an effective rebuttal.
I did not say Turq was too clever, I implied that those who could not provide
an effective rebuttal could not find the right angle of attack or response.
Generally if you are attacked and have an emotional response, your IQ drops
because the fight or flight response tends to reallocate bodily resources away
from the cerebral cortex. So the first thing one had to do to respond to Turq
was not to get emotional about anything he said. You had to be neutral. That is
just the first step, and that does not mean if you chill out, it will then
work. It provides a platform from which to try various kinds of responses. To
my mind, Turq was never upset when he posted, so he was in an optimum form to
respond or not to respond what came back. If you have strong likes and dislikes
when posting, that works against you when posting against Turq.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened??? I will try not to hold it against you, but if that was the case, I can overlook it. I was really interested in finding an easy meditation technique, so I was going to try it even before I heard a lecture, so I really did not listen that carefully, or care who or what taught me. It was like, teach me, and I'll see if it works. I had a very non-TM mindset when I learned, and it never completely went away. From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start "the_abyss" group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used "I" a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start "the_abyss" group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to "the abyss". Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like "gullible fool" comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy f
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fuck the Fucking Fuckers! [1 Attachment]
One reason income is no longer functional is the benchmarks we have used to measure them have been tinkered with, starting in about 1980. If you use the current U.S. CPI to measure how far you are ahead or behind, guess what? The economies are broken all over the world. Today we are watching to see if Greece will break first. It is not just uber rich, but the governments as well. The rich know how to game the system and the politicians go along with the game, not many are vocal about this, and seem to be either ignorant of or complicit in the deception. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The real question would be how functional is your income? How does it compare to 20 years ago? Are you slowly and stealthily being pushed into austerity? The other day I heard someone exclaim "the economy is great again!" I had half a notion to ask where they got that information. They must have one of those gigs in the government that is paying well for now. Fact is many people don't have enough savings to get themselves out of a fix if an emergency occurs. People who could and want to work until they are much older can't get work even though they have tremendous experience. Young folks come out of college with degrees but training that is mainly theoretical but worse yet a huge college debt and too high of expectations. In reality the economy is broken. Raided by the uber rich with their big banks. It really is time for a global revolution and that doesn't mean a "new world order."
[FairfieldLife] Re: The eyes have it!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nisargadatta Maharaj: The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Soon he discovers that his own body he cannot be. Once the conviction: 'I am not the body' becomes so well grounded that he can no longer feel, think and act for and on behalf of the body, he will easily discover that he is the universal being, knowing, acting, that in him and through him the entire universe is real, conscious and active. CDB: Believing that we are not the body is refuted by death itself. What he is describing sounds more like clinical dissociation than an exalted state worth pursuing. X: Curtis, it is really difficult to explain what N is talking about, it is a shift in one's sense of identity. It decentralises from the body. This does not mean there is some entity that moves out of the body. The sense one has of being awareness after meditating for a while as if diffuses completely and becomes the environment of the universe (not promoting any particular technique here). Eventually the realisation comes it was always this way, so nothing really happened. It feels like waking up from a dream. In a sense it is waking up from your idea of individuality, body, mind, thought now seem as if they are part of the environment, no different than anything else in the universe. The functions of nature we call laws continue to function the same way, nature is in control, the body has a limited sense of control, you can pick up a cup of coffee, but not lift a mountain. N:G: This is the heart of the problem. Either you are body-conscious and a slave of circumstances, or you are the universal consciousness itself -- and in full control of every event. CDB: This is a grandiose claim isn't it? Who is in full control of every even and who is pompous enough to WANT to be? Many of life's delights are in being surprised by stuff we have not control over for good reason. X: Sounds grandiose, but all that has happened is the mind has let go and surrendered to the natural progress of the world, which includes body, mind, and thoughts. When the body dies, the world comes to an end, the mechanisms of experience no longer function. To an impacted sense of individuality this whole thing sounds like disassociation, but everything is really just fine, and the world becomes an intimate part of experience in reference to awareness rather than in something we are in as physical objects. Saying the world is somehow 'in us' sounds kind of strange. That is only one way of saying it. Language is a significant barrier because it is being used to describe an aspect of experience that is beyond words. So 'we', from the viewpoint of the body, can still be surprised by things, because the body does not know anything more about the world than it did before, but all those of years of meditation, getting one's ego challenged, and continual curiosity about what life is about, basically have the effect of shifting the mind's perspective away from the idea of being an individual entity to just being without a sense of having a real centre. But it does not look different, and one's activities are not different. The difference with this thing called 'enlightenment' is just that little mental shift of understanding: everything looks, feels, and acts just like in ordinary waking, because it is just that, with just that overlay of conceptual thinking regulated to a secondary reality; the intellect no longer defines reality and tells us what is real, but we can still use intellect to analyse experience and try to describe it. It is all utterly unremarkable. Why it gets blown up to such grandiose verbosity is a continual problem. Part of the problem with Indian systems is they tend to sound ambiguous because of the use of the word translated as 'self' in different ways. I think Buddha was a bit more direct in saying there is no self. The self you think you are is just a bundle of impressions that one has tied a nice ribbon around called 'me'. When the ribbon gets untied, the impressions and everything else remain the same, but the mind now knows that that bundle of stuff was not an entity, was not a self, it was just a collection of stuff we gave a name to; now we see these things as being independent of that conception.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. I would say, based on this post of yours, the last sentence, after the comma, is an astute description of yourself. You just keep proving it over and over. Don't know about the senility part, I haven't gotten there yet. One of the first signs of senility is you don't understand the first part of a paragraph you read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to "the abyss". Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like "gullible fool" comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The eyes have it!
There you go. We have always had 100% consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Seems to me there's never not total consciousness. Heh. Two atoms "know" of each others existence -- this is seen when their motions change in strict correspondence to the others motions. They're "in touch." No true independence of each other. I would be willing to call this interaction "consciousness." Consider, too, that scientists can tell "what you're thinking" by inserting a probe into your brain that solely registers one single cell's activity. The cell is in a known-area of the brain, and if it lights up, well, we know you're dealing with, say, "thinking about walking." This is today's science. Crude, but coming along nicely. And as the photons enter ones eye -- stars that died billions of years ago yet still affect our streams of consciousness. So tired of trying to figure all this out. Easy to just relax and sip my fruit juice and not ever know anything for sure again, cuz certainty's a bitch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Amazing, an animal of just one cell has a functioning eye. That puts the birth of consciousness right back to the beginning. Stimulus/response, a sensitivity to light. Start from there and work your way up. Select for improved vision by dying if you get caught and before you know it - OK a couple of billion years - you'll have a system of nerves and a processing unit to tell you what you're looking at so you don't have to run from everything. The evolution of complexity in a nutshell... This single-celled bug has the world's most extraordinary eye http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27730-singlecelled-creature-hunts-with-its-complex-eye-like-a-sniper.html#.VYp2RPlVikp http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27730-singlecelled-creature-hunts-with-its-complex-eye-like-a-sniper.html#.VYp2RPlVikp This single-celled bug has the world's most extraord... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27730-singlecelled-creature-hunts-with-its-complex-eye-like-a-sniper.html#.VYp2RPlVikp It doesn't even have a brain, but a type of plankton seems to use the smallest camera-like eye to catch nearly invisible prey using polarised light View on www.newscientist.com http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27730-singlecelled-creature-hunts-with-its-complex-eye-like-a-sniper.html#.VYp2RPlVikp Preview by Yahoo
Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug
Ravi, How are you these days? Is your grandmother still with us? I still remember that picture you posted. As for you, you always seemed to have Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde personality here. This here is Dr Jekyll posting. When the Mr Hyde side posted, it was difficult to respond because there was no logical handle upon which to grasp. Have you had any big insights recently? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis - you really need to stop this malice and deception please. I don't have the time or energy or the inclination to post here and re-hash old issues from 4 years back. The fact of the matter is Ravi didn't cause you any personal harm nor did I cause this international conspiracy of flooding the search engines, how hilarious and preposterous. You got a taste of your own medicine and a taste of what your pal dishes out to everyone else - gratuitous, egregious barrage of insults. Please move on Curtis - stop your poor me routine. Same goes for the likes of Xeno and empty bill, stop these personal attacks on me. Otherwise I agree with you. Doug's not the moderator I would have, he has been a TM cult enabler, an unoriginal, uninteresting poster who spammed the list repeatedly over the years. But that doesn't disqualify him from being a moderator but I would be concerned if his moderatorship results in stopping the freedom of expression FFL is renowned for. You are right in questioning his motivations in banning Barry, he just needs to state clearly why he has banned Barry that's all. As a former poster I'm glad to see Barry go, Edg's impassioned posts demonstrate why Barry has been such a toxic influence here and you Curtis have been one of his greatest enablers here, and you should be ashamed for that. Ravi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, I was not in Barry's crosshairs and you were. I never viewed you through his eyes. You and I became friends on our own as we sized each other up as good people. So I am not judging you for your opinion of him nor him for his opinion of you. That is between you two guys and is none of my business. I always deal one on one and make up my own mind on people here. If I was Barry's target I would probably feel as you do. But I would just tune him out like I did others who went after me or find a way to interact that suited my writing interests. And I might write as you have dancing on his grave a bit. I get the appeal and I always enjoy reading you whatever the topic. But the bigger issue for me isn't Barry, it is an environment I have valued for a place to exercise free thought. It has been hijacked by someone who not only does not value free expression, he has acted against it. I know you felt the chill when he went after that Lynch comment as an actionable offense. If we want to understand what freedom of speech is all about, defend it for someone whose views we disagree with. I used to argue against banning Ravi for raving here until he crossed over a clear line of personal harm. I thought he deserved to be able to post because I didn't want anyone making that kind of content judgement calls on anyone here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I would be willing to give Turq an offer to post ONCE more.cuz it'd be great to see how hard he'd cram everything into it. Hilarious, right? I tried hard as hell to like Turq, because: Curtis. I'd do numbers on my head about "Turq's a good writer, posts some newsy stuff, gives some headsup on films" like that like that, because Curtis is smarter than any two of us here and he was okay with Turq, so I had to re-think this issue many times, but every single time I posted something -- even if it was neutral-ish and not turq-ish related and not even true-believer-ish -- BAM this dick would go out of his way to somehow find something with which to, once again as he did for so many here, deride me, the person, instead of trying to uplift with countering and educating debate points. Turq was a hunting sniper here -- shooting to crush anyone's spirit and ruin their fucking day with a major self-esteem wound. Psychic fucking vampire slavering to lick up any spilled blood. Sick. Sociopath almost certainly. Willfully anti-sanity. Living inside a bullet proof bubble. Not blinkered, blind. I tried. He shot poisoned arrows. I am not the most lovable person, hee fucking hee, but Turq attacked almost everyone in this manner, so I'm felling pretty okay about being targeted "for no reason." Yeah, I post some crap here and should be wrist slapped maybe sorta but shit, gimme a break. Not that Turq couldn't have had great insights in the psychological and spiritual dissonances some of us experience regularly, but that he NEVER wanted to help anyone towards clarity -- he was only here to rape your mind in public and then walk away like he'd slain a dragon for all our benefits. Talk about yo
Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I tried hard as hell to like Turq, because: Curtis. Trying to like someone is like trying to crush a mantra into transcendence. You have the wrong technique. Some people we do not like. It is easier to like something you understand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is not a place for someone who has a stated agenda to prove his point that an organization is a cult, and to label anyone who may defend the organization as cult apologist. According to the spiel on the Fairfield Life home page, this is the perfect place to discuss whether the TM Org is a cult. If what you say is true, then you feel this place has a stated agenda to prove the point that the TM Org is not a cult. This is a blatant statement showing you wish to suppress opposing points of view, as do many others here. Remember the first quotation on that page: "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2
No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect. From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 2:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2 Too bad things ended this way for 'uncle tantra'. He is a high calibre intellectual, but unfortunately a horrendous psychopath. As Judy pointed out, he is so focussed on displaying his dazzling language skills that he loses objectivity. This is what he said when I got bounced by Rick, "So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the "wisdom of Solomon" choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. 399695 Agreed. Very Solomon-like, getting rid of both the 12-year-old and the whiner. I don't "auto delete" jedi's posts, just nuke them at the first glimpse of crazy, which is much of the time. Dan, however, has been on my DNR list since he reappeared, but he *still* required maintenance, just to empty the folder collecting his posts. It's been like living alone but having to flush the toilet 100 times a day to get rid of someone else's shit. Good riddance. 399571 --- wrote : How come so many are talking about Turq? It seems he is still very much with us here, in spite of the cadre that wanted him removed. And note that when one 'R' was talked about after having been canned, he came back courtesy of Rick. And we still do not know the offence Turq was canned for, a total lack of transparency is still operational here by the head of the Fairfield Inquisition. What you wrote here is about equal to anything Turq ever wrote on this group, as far as content and tone, so his removal is all the more inexplicable. TurquoiseBee's alleged 'badness' really has counterparts among other members of this group, including those that ran to the Peak. Since I last cleared my email, there are practically no posts on the Peak. It seems as if the cowards there are returning here. An overpopulation of wussies spells ill for the quality of content on FFL. The problem with Turq was there were few who could make a reasoned argument against
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information Xeno, No. The point is that the universe functions as information in a virtual reality. It also means that Consciousness or the unified field is the main computer (the CPU) that runs this virtual reality. Logic would tell you that this virtual reality or information can't create itself. It has to be created by Somebody, which is Consciousness. How do you get from 'unified field' to 'consciousness' to 'somebody', all with capital starting letters? 'Unified field' in science is a physical construct. Logic can only process what you know, it doesn't tell you anything unless you plug in values. You are surmising that virtual reality or information must have some sort of creation process behind them. Why does it have to be a somebody? Consciousness is not a somebody. As the creator, it is only logical that Consciousness is the source of everything. As such, It has the quality of the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. Why? Because there is nobody else present. It is the Prime Mover. IOW, It attains the dynamic nature of the unified field, the samhita of the Rishi-Devata-Chandas. We know things because we are conscious, but that is far cry from it being the source of everything. If a light shines on an object in a dark room, then the object becomes visible, but one has to assume that the light and room and the object already existed, and the fact the light made us see it does not mean the light created the object. Most scientists are still trapped in the objective universe paradigm. That's why they have an adverse reaction to the possibility that the universe is run by a subjective reality, Consciousness or the Unified Field. I do not know why people always say this. Science is the objective universe paradigm. Scientists are not trapped in it. It is the modus operandi of science. A scientist can investigate an autombile crash because the automobile is objective. Now if the automobile crash were subjective, in subjective space, and no physical automobile were present, how would they proceed to investigate the crash? The observer, observed, and process of observing illustration is to give temporary meaning to certain experiences people might have if they are seeking enlightenment. It is in fact also how science works, there is an observer, a scientist or a machine recording data about an event (like the LHC at CERN), there is what is observed, and the process of observations takes place in time from the beginning to the end of the observation. As far a consciousness is concerned it makes experience possible, but whether it is active or passive in that observation is another question. A nervous system seems to be required. And machines make observations and then we, with our consciousness observe what the machines recorded, but we don't know if the machine is conscious. If they are not then an observation might take place and yet that observation would remain forever unknown. The thing about unity as a spiritual phenomenon is consciousness and the physical world are not distinct, they are as distinct as they are in ordinary waking consciousness. It is only on the spiritual path that consciousness and the physical objective world seem to be different from one another. As you are speaking here of M's Hindu philosophy, I again re-quote for you from Vasistha, considered one of the greatest of Indian sages: 'But all this talk about who created this world and how it was created is intended only for the purpose of composing scriptures and expounding them: it is not based on truth... Descriptions of creation, etc., are given in the scriptures for the purpose of instructing disciples: do not let your mind be coloured by them. When you realise that which is indicated by the words, then naturally you will abandon the jugglery of words. In the infinite consciousness itself there is neither an intention nor the veil of delusion. But, that itself is before you as the world'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Interesting. So this means that information rather than consciousness is the basis of the universe and our experience, that consciousness is an emergent property of information? Scientists would love this because it makes consciousness amenable to developing equations to explain its existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, Please, read my recent post to Salyavin regarding this thread. We've talked about this Information theory the other day. So, I believe it has some merit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The universe is a virtual reality. The main computer is Consciousness, or the Unified Field. Tom Campbell discusses these ideas in the future of physics
[FairfieldLife] A Final Last Message?
_ I received a rather cryptic message from TurquoiseBee, in which he merely mentioned as possibly a 'last message' and all it is is a link to a video. I normally don't watch videos because they take too much time. I think he is using the song in this video to communicate a message; he had nothing to say personally, so whatever he wants to say seems to be embedded in either the visuals or the lyrics here. True Detective Season 2: Opening Credits Episode #1 (HBO) | | | | | | | | | | | True Detective Season 2: Opening Credits Episode #1 (HBO... | | | | View on youtu.be | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2
How come so many are talking about Turq? It seems he is still very much with us here, in spite of the cadre that wanted him removed. And note that when one 'R' was talked about after having been canned, he came back courtesy of Rick. And we still do not know the offence Turq was canned for, a total lack of transparency is still operational here by the head of the Fairfield Inquisition. What you wrote here is about equal to anything Turq ever wrote on this group, as far as content and tone, so his removal is all the more inexplicable. TurquoiseBee's alleged 'badness' really has counterparts among other members of this group, including those that ran to the Peak. Since I last cleared my email, there are practically no posts on the Peak. It seems as if the cowards there are returning here. An overpopulation of wussies spells ill for the quality of content on FFL. The problem with Turq was there were few who could make a reasoned argument against what he threw at you. Anything is possible. Turq's main gripe, if we could call it that, was that ego co-opted just about everything spiritual here, and so he poked repeatedly at that ego value masquerading as spiritual wisdom. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sour grapes, Turq? You've been here for fucking ever and now you can walk away as if it were nothing, eh? Nobody gunna miss ya much. Nobody gunna tearfully read your old posts like they were photos in an album. Nobody gunna say, "You know, Turq got us all on the right track about that issue." Not even Curtis will miss how you strode so haughtily into denial and tried to leave blood everywhere in your wake. Nobody gunna give ya a quick fix for your addiction: imagining emotional discomfort in others. What a fucked hobby that is. Dude, I mean, really? You added up to a negative number here. And now what? More coffee, group sex, films and running from the law? Just askin'. I have always suspected you were over there because of some problems over here. It just seems like such a natural conclusion given what a pissant sod you seem to be in real life. What is it? Back alimony? Law suit liens? Drug charges? One finds such a list easy to imagine. And here's me dissin' on your ass for no reason at all, eh? You never did jack shit one to anybody here and you can't imagine why all the chop-bustin' on ya? And I love it that you're saying you would never come back. GAWDyou just made it harder for yourself to beg for forgiveness. And you would've, but now, you've purposefully made it harder because you know you would have. See ya in a few years then. Time heals so much. But watch, by getting Alex to repost your replies, etc., you'll weasel your way back here and pretend you just "went on vacation is all." Aaaand, the reason I'm doing this beating of your dead stinking horse, is that I know how much you'd like to give one of your classic asshole responses that always and solely end up being raw vile hatred of all things human..and now can't. Turning purple with rage over there? You're a pill. Glad you're the one who had to end up swallowing it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information
Interesting. So this means that information rather than consciousness is the basis of the universe and our experience, that consciousness is an emergent property of information? Scientists would love this because it makes consciousness amenable to developing equations to explain its existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, Please, read my recent post to Salyavin regarding this thread. We've talked about this Information theory the other day. So, I believe it has some merit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The universe is a virtual reality. The main computer is Consciousness, or the Unified Field. Tom Campbell discusses these ideas in the future of physics and humanity. JR, Yahoo Guidelines: Post Your Own Content. It's Okay to post other things, but write something about what you think about what you post that is not created by you instead of letting it stand in for what you think. I rarely watch videos because it takes more time than scanning text that people write themselves. I do not usually care what some video says, but I might respond to you if you write something that supports your view of whatever you are interested in. Why do YOU think the universe is a virtual reality? What is a virtual reality? How can consciousness BE a computer? Those questions are implied in what you briefly wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What is a single thought?
Nice post. You might be interested in some Taoist benchmarks concerning
enlightenment:
Normal State — Wandering mind. Some will often have 3-6 (or more)
threads/dialogs of thought jumping around.Temporary One Thread — In meditation,
one quiets to one focused thread (as in mantra or concentration). At this
state, one may begin to notice energy (if looking for it).Temporary Quiet Mind
— One can begin to see/trace thoughts.Stable Quiet Meditation — One can
perceive the nature/energy of mind. Can perceive astral experiences.Expansion
of Quiet Mind to Normal Life — One begins to "see themselves" doing things. An
example is seeing yourself getting angry, but can't stop yourself.Quiet Mind in
Life — Usually only one thread going, sometimes no threads. Can see and stop
yourself from getting angry.Calm Mind — No real thoughts unless there is
something to do/decide. Meditation and life are the same. Often described as
nothingness. Many stop here and declare victory.Noticing Oneness — Something
"tickles" the calm mind. Curiosity returns. Begin to break beyond the local
body-mind.See Oneness — Feels like every soul is inside you. Begin integration
with existence.Oneness — Can feel everyone and everything.Oneness beyond time —
Can perceive parallel realities and beyond time.Primordial State — Integration
with God/Existence/Emptiness (depending on your perspective).
From: Duveyoung
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is a single thought?
I once heard Maharishi Mahesh Yogi say, ".and they don't even know what
a thought is."
At the time, we all felt so smug, but 40 years later, I'm wondering if FFL
could possibly agree on a definition.
I maintained that I have 5 thoughts per second. My definition of thought is "a
complete concept."
Using this definition, I note that when I count as fast as I can, mentally, I
can get up to five before the second hand clicks to the next second.
Each number is clearly heard in my mind rather than it being kind of slurringly
said process.
You?
Here's the rub: obviously the brain/body is processing actual millions of
inputs, and most of the material is "ignored." Proof being that YOUR elbow
just now that I mention it is found to be sending you messages about its
position, pressures on it, clothing rubbing sensations etc. This information
is broadcast 24/7 to you, but almost never gets to the front burner of
consciousness.
Clearly 5 thoughts per second is a relative concept.
Never-the-less, I like to offer it as a starter concept about thought. If one
CAN have conscious awareness of five thoughts per second, then the concept of
"cherry picking" comes to my fore. Seems to me that all of us are cherry
picking which of our thoughts to attend and which to ignore, but this "picking"
is automated and usually not a conscious choice.
Seems to me, enlightenment is a kind of surrendering to this vastness of
processing -- it being a perfect example of "karma is unfathomable" and so just
relax and let it all happen.
Q: Can there be awareness without an object of awareness?
Nisargadatta: Awareness with an object we called witnessing. When there is
also self-identification with the object, caused by desire or fear, such a
state is called a person. In reality there is only one state; when distorted by
self-identification it is called a person, when coloured with the sense of
being, it is the witness; when colourless and limitless, it is called the
Supreme.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The universe is a virtual reality. The main computer is Consciousness, or the Unified Field. Tom Campbell discusses these ideas in the future of physics and humanity. JR, Yahoo Guidelines: Post Your Own Content. It's Okay to post other things, but write something about what you think about what you post that is not created by you instead of letting it stand in for what you think. I rarely watch videos because it takes more time than scanning text that people write themselves. I do not usually care what some video says, but I might respond to you if you write something that supports your view of whatever you are interested in. Why do YOU think the universe is a virtual reality? What is a virtual reality? How can consciousness BE a computer? Those questions are implied in what you briefly wrote.
[FairfieldLife] The Danger of Community
cult 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. 2. a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. synonyms: sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction 3. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. synonyms: obsession with, fixation on, mania for, passion for, idolization of, devotion to, worship of, veneration of Now that the banished person on FFL who devoted a considerable amount of free time energy to explaining that the TM org is a cult is gone, and that observation indicates approximately half the active members of FFL are still under the influence of cult-like thought patterns; now that that person has been eliminated, we should see an increase in docile, cult-like behaviour on FFL, and a lowering of the level of intelligent discussion. (That is an hypothesis by the way, not a truth) There was a scientific paper written in 1984 by neuroscientist Michael Persinger titled Striking EEG Profiles from Single Episodes of Gossolalia and Transcendental Meditation in which he wrote: 'Transient, focal, epileptic-like changes in the temporal lobe, without convulsions, have been hypothesised to be primary correlates of religious experiences. Given these properties, direct measurement of these phenomena within the laboratory should be rare. However, two illustrated instances have been recorded. The first case involved the occurrence of a delta-wave-dominant electoral seizure for about 10 sec. from the temporal lobe only of a Transcendental Meditation teacher during a peak experience within a routine TM episode. The second case involved the occurrence of spikes within the temporal lobe only during protracted intermittent episodes of glossolalia [speaking in tongues] by a member of a Pentecostal sect. Neither subject had any psychiatric history. These observations are commensurate with the hypothesis that religious experiences are natural correlates of temporal lobe transients that can be detected by routine EEG measures.' Persinger is a cognitive neuroscientist, and his theories of religious experience have received some criticism; he is of the belief that strong magnetic field can induce religious experiences, but his research has not been convincingly replicated. More of note Persinger wrote a book with two other authors in 1980 called TM and Cult Mania in which he investigated the efficacy of TM. 'TM and Cult Mania takes a look at the assertions made by the Transcendental Meditation movement and analyses them from a scientific perspective. The book acknowledges that those who practice the Transcendental Meditation technique feel relaxed and experience an increase in creativity. According to the book, the physiological effects reported by the scientific studies on Transcendental Meditation are relatively small from a scientific perspective and "no more effective than many other meditation techniques". Transcendental Meditation is seen as most noteworthy due to its ability to manipulate stress and expectancy.' The authors concluded 'Transcendental Meditation has achieved international recognition through commercial exploitation' and 'poor scientific procedures ' and that 'the reported effects of TM upon human behaviour are trivial. Considering the alleged potency of the TM procedure, the changes in physiological and behavioural measures are conspicuously minute'. TM and Cult Mania comes to the conclusion that, 'science has been used as a sham for propaganda by the TM movement.' The book was criticised by some because Persinger associated religious beliefs and spiritual practices with mental illness, that he cast spiritual interests under a cloud of psychopathology. Having been on FFL now for about four years, I think that psychopathy is quite evident on this Yahoo group, and that now that the Buck persona seems to be in charge of the way things go, that pathology of cult behaviour will intensify unless there are enough counterbalancing voices that are not suppressed, to keep this mental illness from spreading. Now I have practiced TM into my fifth decade, and as is known here, I seem to have some slight sociopathic tendencies. These tendencies have increased through the practice of TM. I feel the changes are positive, but they can be described in negative language. Loss of the small self can be described as 'depersonalisation' which is as good a tag as any. The persona gets thrown out from the centre of your life to the periphery, where it becomes an object, like trees and rocks. Everything in the universe becomes an object, and consciousness or awareness becomes the subject, and disappears from view. During most of the practice though, before this depersonalisation occurs, awareness/consciousness is basically regarded as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Perhaps we never have a vote here, this is Rick's place. But it is clear there is divided opinion on this issue. So geezerfreak posts once a month or so. When people vote in an election, some are involved in politics all year round, and then vote for whom they like, while others pay no attention to politics at all, and then just the same, vote for the one whom they like best, or against the one they hate the worst as the case may be. Under the system, they both have the same right to vote. We do not have a vote here, but we do have preferences and we are expressing them. And this is precisely the issue at hand, whether we can speak our minds freely, or have our speech suppressed by would be manipulators, who would prefer we only think their kind of thoughts and ideas. When your ideas are not challenged mightily, you brain dries up like old pudding sitting on a shelf. People like Turq cannot manipulate you if you simply ignore what they say. You have a choice not to interact. If you cannot deal with it, but nonetheless read it, and complain, it means you are complicit, a partner in crime, if you so characterise what someone is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : says the one post a month, twelve posts a year, guy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex: Regardless of how folks feel about Turq, moderation should be carried out transparently, and not in a secret, undefined manner. So far, this experiment with Doug as moderator is starting to remind me of when Rick put an Amma fanatic in charge of moderating the Amma free speech group, with the end result being the loss of free speech and the creation of the Amma Real Free Speech group. Me: 100% agree Alex. I looked in late last week as part of my once-every-few-months look and was appalled to see what is going on. Turq was ALWAYS an interesting and entertaining poster, only rivaled by Curtis IMO. And now this guy Buck/Doug is running roughshod on the group deciding who is 'on program' and who is not? Fuck that, that is EXACTLY the kind of TMO bullshit that drove me from the organization in the first place. Rick, you once told me that Doug was "really a great guy" when I complained about his Buck persona to you privately years ago. I'm not in a position to know what kind of guy he is, great or otherwise, but he is so clearly a fucking joke of a moderator. Seriously, Rick are you kidding me? Unless you yourself have gone insane I refuse to believe you think Doug is the man for this job. Say it ain't so Rick!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Xeno, let's unpack this a bit.
You, I repeat, you, are the person who has stated on several occasions that
you have a touch of sociopath.
Perhaps you can do me a favor and look up the definition of sociopath.
But, here's my understanding.
A sociopath is someone who takes a certain pleasure in making people
uncomfortable, by any means. And the means don't really matter much. The goal
is to make them uncomfortable.
A true sociopath sees people as objects, and does not experience empathy or
guilt. They do apparently experience other emotions, but not like a normal
person. So under normal circumstances, say you had one for a friend, if you
died, they would not care, they would move on easily. They can be manipulative
because they have desires, things they want etc., their sense of self, is
flexible.
I seem to have a touch of this, but I am not a true sociopath. The thing here
is people in general ('normal') get uncomfortable when their world view is
challenged. If you take the basic idea and theory of enlightenment for example
as being true, then until full awakening, you are not living reality at all,
but are living a dream, a fictitious existence in which every thought and idea
you have about the world is just plain wrong. How uncomfortable the path of
enlightenment can be depends on how fast that fictitious world in the mind is
ripped away. TM does it gently, slowly most of the time, so it is not horribly
upsetting, but a person might be surprised at how uncomfortable life can be as
the dark stuff comes to the surface. It's kind of like dying because you have
to give up everything you thought was real. That TM is gentle, it is for gentle
people who can't take a lot of pain, but it is also therefore, with its light
touch, likely to be slow. To go really really fast, sometimes you need a
crowbar or some truly horrible life experience to jar the nervous system out of
its slumbers. Even enlightened people have residual conditioning and that
conditioning can get challenged. They are more likely to deal with it
gracefully and not on a personal level.
In a way, enlightenment seems to create a situation similar to sociopathy, in
that the personal level of existence drops away. This is why some 'masters' can
be quite uncomfortable to be around, because they are not going to buy your
shit. Of course some so-called masters can be difficult to be around because
they are just rotten to begin with.
Maybe others here don't care for a forum that has devolved into that sort of
atmosphere due to the continual posts by one of one of the most active
participants.
That's because they are living in a fantasy world. This is, or was, the place
to grapple with these issues. People really want to get enlightened up to a
point, but once they begin to discover what you really have to give up to get
over the threshold, they balk. This won't happen this way for everyone. There
are always a few who are pretty clear to begin with, and they might have a
really easy time of it. The probability you will be that fortunate is unlikely.
That is just statistical, not a statement of your personal worth. Your personal
worth is what you give up with enlightenment. What takes its place is much
better.
And, by the way, that particular participant has stated on many occasions
that, that is his raison d'etre for participating here.
I was not particularly fond of another poster here, 'R' who also was let off.
I am happy he is gone, but Rick, for a long time, let him stay. If he had not
crossed the line with Curtis, he still would be here. My method was to skip
over his posts and not waste my time reading them, and set my e-mail to drop
them in the trash folder. No problem. As long as people are not physically
harming each other, which is impossible for the most part here, you can just
not pay attention to what you do not like. If you do put your attention on
these things, then you might ask yourself what are you getting off on, in
complaining about it?
I also came to dislike authfriend's posting as well, but I would never ban her
annoying as I found her. She is sharp, in her own way a sniper like Turq. I
consider her the polar opposite of Turq, so they are in some way very similar.
There is an intimate relationship between opposing forces. But like matter and
anti-matter, an explosion when they come together too closely.
I think a lot of people here think of Turq as a low-vibe spiritual loser, but
they gloss over things that show he has definite insight into spiritual
matters. For example here is something he wrote in 2008:
'One of the things I cannot help but notice, having been exposed to views of
spirituality other than the ones dealt with in TM, is that the TM view often
seems blissfully unaware of the occult. The "occult" deals not with "black
magic" or other low-vibe stuff, but with ENE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Does Time Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, A few weeks ago, I posted an article about the new developments in physics discussed at a conference in Puerto Rico. Apparently, some physicists are raising the issue that information is more fundamental than matter and energy. That means Hawking, Krauss and Dawkins are wrong in their interpretation of the Big Bang. Information is certainly important. But how can it be structured without space-time, energy-matter? Without matter there is no way to encode information, without energy, no way to transmit it Information can be interpreted as consciousness that springs forth from the unified field. As such, this information is the observer, the process of observing, and the observed. This is the dynamic relationship that creates the infinite universes which includes our own. Consciousness that springs forth requires a nervous system, and that is matter and energy. If we assume the universe is unified, all these things are together as one anyway so there is no point in trying to get rid of one and the same thing to make the idea sound more 'spiritual'. The physical universe and 'spirit' are one and the same, that is what unification means, so it is not necessary to eliminate or redefine levels of existence. Because they are unified, it is no longer necessary to postulate emergence because it is not a sequence of events that is unfolding; the idea of creator or a beginning only comes into play if you have a world that is dis-unified. Take Yoga Vasistha for example on this point: Vasistha: 'But all this talk about who created this world and how it was created is intended only for the purpose of composing scriptures and expounding them: it is not based on truth. Modifications arising in the infinite consciousness or organisation of the cosmic being, do not really take place in the Lord, though they appear to do so. There is naught but the infinite consciousness, even in imagination! To think of that being the creator and the universe as the created, is absurd: when one lamp is kindled from another, there is no creator-creature relationship between them—fire is one. Creation is just a word, it has no corresponding substantial reality.' As a product of the unified field, our universe is a reflection of its creator. Our earth and everything in it are part of this universe and the quantum wave function which made this all happen. MMY stated that this wave function can be accessed while in transcendental consciousness or samadhi. I doubt this is true, but because you are saying it is a quantum mechanical function, then there are physical qualities that could be measured to check out the idea. You just have to formulate the meditation theory in a way that it predicts certain quantum mechanical events, and design the experiment to see if that happens. If it does not, the theory is wrong. Dr. John Hagelin stated in one of internet videos that the expansion of the universe is powered by dark energy, the emptiness of space, i.e. the unified field itself. We really do not seem to know what dark energy is or how and why it is there, if it is there. Some scientists feel there are other explanations for the observations for which dark energy and matter are hypothesised. Hagelin is of course no longer really a physicist that communicates with his physicist peers. He doesn't write papers or formulate anything scientifically any more. Other scientists, like Dr. Leonard Susskind, are proposing that the beginning and end of the universe can be compared to information stored in a hologram which can be expressed in scientific formulas. But this idea lacks the lively intelligence of the information expressed in MMY's samhita of the Rishi-Devata-Chandas. Without formulating these theories (hologram or samhita) in a way that generates parameters that can be physically measured, there is no way to tell the difference between them. You might as well say the universe came from a chicken sandwich (a very special sort of chicken sandwich of course). You may disagree with this idea from MMY, but the new concept, that information is more fundamental than matter and energy, is somewhat similar to the thoughts that MMY formulated many years ago. With a unified system, information, matter and energy will appear to emerge simultaneously. Saying one is more fundamental than the other is a post hoc explanation mapped onto the world to explain how it appears when viewed not as being but as becoming. That means the attention is narrowed so experience is fragmented and the world then appears in pieces that seem to move in relation to one another and the mind must try to figure out how they are related. Take the formula for general relativity. The equation shows how the whole system stands as a whole, but if you plug a particular value into one of the values in the equation, it wi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
This is still a complete lack of transparency (except for the case of 'R'). This explains nothing about precisely why Turq was dropped. It's not about coloured cards. It is about certain specific posts that occurred after you took this moderator job, because you specified 'going forward' — not what happened previous to that. So exactly what led you to pull the trigger. My vote is to unseat the CEO. But I have only one vote, and it depends on how democratic Rick feels, as you are not democratic in regards to spiritual philosophy. You do not look at it in an abstract philosophical way, you look at it in a much more rigid religious way. In 2009 you wrote to Turq Om no, no, Turq; That what thee don't know may not hurt thee or else explains a lot otherwise. Spiritually aware people seem to know... You are talking to him like a Quaker here (except for the 'Om'). I would say you have a predisposition against free-thinking philosophical enquiry, something that is absolutely necessary to engage with finding out what enlightenment is or is not. You also repeatedly posted items substituting 'the unified field' for the word 'God'. I am suggesting that you have a built-in bias that underlies, out of sight, your desire to use the Yahoo guidelines to eliminate those who do not share your ideas of community and spirituality. Writing here as a conservative meditator I should like to share this meditation hymn with our straying meditator friend [Turq] and once benighted soul here. Is a beautiful meditation hymn with a strong lesson for even fallen away meditators. To come home. Oh there is tremendous mercy in the unified field, its compassion mercifully is in the physics of it. Ex-patriots, come home to meditation. Make your choice and grace you'll find there is in the natural law of the Unified Field. You also said the above. That pretty much nails your attitude against rigorous questioning of spiritual concepts to discover if they have any real value. You want a conservative retreat from this with everything settled in a certain predetermined way. Some spiritual concepts do have value, but one cannot know this without discovering value oneself, at some point you have to toss the guidebooks and take the matter in hand. And what works for one person may not work for another. I feel you want people to slide back into a nice cult-like mentality, and this is exactly what we are attempting to rid ourselves of. You are using the guidelines as a smokescreen for your real intentions, and as such I feel you are unsuited for the job. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone from FFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My master is the list owner. We had quite sufficient back and forth about this before taking our additional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in the controls. From Soccer.. A red card will be shown to a player who has committed a serious offence such as violent conduct or an illegal and purposeful obstruction of a goal scoring opportunity for the opposing team. A red card will also be shown to a player who accumulates two yellow cards for more minor offenses. These guys who have presently been ejected from FFL were well beyond accumulating two yellow cards. It was quite time for their ejections from FFL to secure our alignment as a yahoo-group with the yahoo-guidelines. -JaiGuruYou!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
On one Yahoo page Guidelines for Comments on Yahoo, the following appeared at the end of their so-called guidelines: 'Yahoo is not responsible or liable in any way for comments posted by its users' That rather undoes any responsibility on Yahoo's part regarding the content of the guidelines and enforcement. There are those of us who would like to unseat the current CEO of moderation so we could have more interesting conversations about how TM fails to produce rational human beings who can take anything that is thrown at them (we are talking about words here, not bullets, that's another story). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for all your concern for the community here. The yahoo-guidelines are really quite simple. Folks will be quite fine on FFL as they write well within the wide margins of tolerance that are the Yahoo-groups guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Regardless of how folks feel about Turq, moderation should be carried out transparently, and not in a secret, undefined manner. Me: Exactly Alex. No one can follow the lines if they are not painted clearly. When people hide the criteria they are using to judge people it creates... another TM movement. So far, this experiment with Doug as moderator is starting to remind me of when Rick put an Amma fanatic in charge of moderating the Amma free speech group, with the end result being the loss of free speech and the creation of the Amma Real Free Speech group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Turq's posting is exactly the reason so many social sites have shut down their comment sections. Excessive and abusive trolling. I see little downside to having his participation here terminated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I sincerely hope that TurquoiseB is never allowed to post here again. He is toxic for the entire group and should have been removed a long time ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gonna ask again, Doug: did you ban Turq for good or will you be restoring his posting privileges at some point? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I looked at the activity log, and Turq is still subscribed; all Doug did was kill his ability to post. Whereas, Rick booted *and* banned the one who shall not be mentioned (I think the banned list prevents a person from even sending a subscription request.) The only people I've given the boot are spammers, and I don't regard them as worthy of any kind of explanation. But, in the case of people who are actual participants, I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent. The fact that Doug didn't actually unsubscribe him suggests the possibility that it isn't permanent. What sayest thou, Doug? Is Turq gone for good? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for posting this Alex. Perhaps Buck/Doug will share the rational here so we can understand which of his interpretation of the previously never enforced vague Yahoo guidelines Barry violated. In the spirit of Barry's sense of humor here I think the only appropriate thing to do now is to initiate a "dead pool" list of who is going to be next in the the current purge. 1. Salyavin808 for his last brilliant, scathing indictment of Buck/Doug 2. Michael for his consistent efforts to put his finger in the eye of the pompous powers that be in the movement. 3. Me for trying to focus my lens more and more precisely on what it is that I object to in Buck/Doug's misuse of moderator power here. (I am speaking about his threat to Barry for stating his opinion of David Lynch, not for getting banned. Until he reveals it I don't know what his reasons were for that.) Game on! Who will be next? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have zero idea what's going on, but I'll at least let him say goodbye. - Forwarded Message - From: TurquoiseBee To: Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:46 AM Subject: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? It appears that Doug has gone ahead with his threats and has deleted my access to Fairfield Life. I'm just wondering how he justifies doing this based on supposedly "offending" posts of mine made back in May when on June 9th in post #416493 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416493?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma he explicitly said: In moderation at this point I feel “the past is a lesser state of evolution” and I am going forward with a clean slate on everyone and not one is on moderation in any way from this point. I would only suggest in our going forward that folks take the time to actually read the Yahoo-groups guidelines if they want to continue fluidly posting on FFL. We should appr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Matching Gifts For Consciousness-Based Education
As consciousness is required to learn anything, all education by whatever means is consciousness based, and therefore any donation to any organisation that provides some educational resources and can effectively impart them would be worthy. What tends to reduce the value of education is instilling beliefs that have no support other than people think they are true, and this works against creating an educated society because it reduces the capacity of the mind to think clearly and objectively. We see these two values pitted against each other in educational systems and whichever gets the upper hand determines whether we end up with an educated populace, or a crate of idiots. MUM's ability to create a positive educational ratio (objectivity vs. belief) has declined as it has matured. One needs to do prior research to find out if a gift to an educational institution is truly worthwhile, or simply foolish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : FW: On May 23, a record graduating class of 391 students from 61 countries graduated from Maharishi University of Management. Former Japan Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama gave the commencement address and received an honorary degree from President Morris. Watch the video of the graduation ceremonies here. https://www.mum.edu/whats-happening/graduation-2015/ Everyone who makes a gift to the Annual Fund provides invaluable financial support to our students, faculty, and administrators bringing the fulfillment of 391 new graduates. Your gift to the Annual Fund between now and June 30 will be matched! Every Gift Counts! ONLINE Maharishi University of Management -> Annual Giving -> June 30, 2015 Annual Fund http://www.mum.edu/annualfund Maharishi University of Management -> Annual Giving -> June 30, 2015 Annual Fund http://www.mum.edu/annualfund View on www.mum.edu http://www.mum.edu/annualfund Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Significance?
Celebrating Insignificance Day Today, 21 June 2015, we celebrate the 30th annual pean to our insignificance. We are tiny points of dim light that briefly shine in a vast universe of impersonal forces, only to be extinguished after an average of some 65 years. As of this date this year 27,800,000 of us have perished as part of the recycling processes of existence. We and our consciousness are expendable. Please do not send donations, you are not that important. Blast from the Past Quotation of the Day 'And yet spiritual seekers throughout the centuries have managed to find fault with the stuff that other seekers -- usually from other traditions -- have found Cool about the universe they perceived around them when they didn't.' 'What's up with that, eh?' Copyright © 1985–2015 Foundation for Insignificance
Re: [FairfieldLife] Experimenting
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Experimenting
I've been away for a while and thought it might be interesting to test the
waters here now that the dynamic is altered. It might just end up being the
same old, same old but, being an optimist, I'm going to give it a shot.
Hello FFL.
If you remove the o from your greeting, that might give you an indication
of the temperature of the waters. I was watching a program about wolves
recently. It seems when wolves are removed from the ecosystem, the system
becomes more unhealthy. The sick and weak animals proliferate and the health of
the herds deteriorates. That does not imply you are sick and weak, but having
run off, there are questions that may be asked, of all those who might be
reversing their departures. When a lot of prey is reintroduced to an area, one
wonders what might subsequently return.Experimental subjects are always welcome
here, however. #yiv5208382235 #yiv5208382235 -- #yiv5208382235ygrp-mkp
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Does Time Exist?
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Does Time Exist?
Sean Carroll, a physicist, discusses the various aspects of time but does
not cover the various theories of the Big Bang. He did not talk about the
unified field or the quantum wave function which was the source of the Big
Bang.IMO, the fact that the universe is expanding to eternity means that the
universe came out of eternity, through the quantum wave function.In the Big
Bang theory, if space were negatively curved, the universe would expand, as a
measure of time, eternally, but that does not say anything about where it came
from or what it came from, or in fact if it came at all. The beginning, as a
function of quantum mechanical ideas might be a quantum fluctuation, but did
any quantum field exist before the universe began. But before it began, or even
at the beginning there would be no quantum wave function, which requires there
be particles, but no particles exist in that highly compressed state at the Big
Bang. A wave function in quantum mechanics describes the quantum state of an
isolated system of one or more particles.Exactly what does 'coming out of
eternity' mean in your scenario. Is the eternity the universe comes out of time
based? Because without space-time, there is no time. Whereas the universe
expanding to eternity takes, in terms of time, forever, and that is
time-based.Sean Carroll: Why Does Time Exist?
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Carroll tackles a deceptively simple question: Why does time exist at all? The
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
What is past is past. Long live the present, an infinitesimal slice between a remembered then and an imaginary to be. But to resurrect a quote from the past: 'Judy is doing what she has done often before -- offering her opinion, and thereafter assuming it (and STATING it) as if it were fact. In other words, she is attempting to establish her own opinion AS fact.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Declaring one is going to ignore the authority figure, of course, adds up to far more than simply talking back to the authority figure. And it has nothing to do with the Yahoo Guidelines per se; it has to do with the authority figures themselves. If they want to maintain their authority, they need to sanction those who openly defy it. But you're well aware of this. Thanks for confirming my suspicions about your "dead pool" implication. Unfortunately you've screwed up again. I came "out of lurkerdom" on May 31, a week before Rick decided to appoint a moderator, a week before any of us knew he was even considering it. Doug is not now and never has been either my friend or my enemy. But what's fascinating about your absurd remark is that you can't seem to envision defending someone who isn't a friend who is being treated unfairly and dishonestly just because it's the right thing to do. There has to be an ulterior, self-interested motive as far as you're concerned. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis deliberately misrepresents what I said in an effort to switch the context his way. Again, standard. My conclusion about why Turq got bounced was that he declared he was going to ignore anything Doug posted. Kind of like a football player announcing publicly that he was going to ignore anything the umpire said. How much longer do you think he'd stay in the game--or on the team, for that matter--after that? Just a *wee* bit different from "talking back" to the umpire. And Turq wasn't even addressing Doug when he said what he did. Me: It all adds up to talking back to the authority figure and this is not an actionable offense in the Yahoo guidelines. You are making Judy distinctions between things that do not matter. Judy: The implication of your "dead pool" remark was, of course, that I was sucking up to Doug to ensure I wouldn't get bounced, rather than just doing the right thing by defending him from the unfair and dishonest treatment he's been getting. Me: You are making up your "implication" so you can enjoy your favorite emotional outrage buzz Judy. That was neither intended nor implied in what I wrote. I hadn't even conspired that as an angle when I wrote that. I was stating the obvious and as usual you got bent about it. Your choice. I don't believe that you act in that calculated a way here, so from my POV I would not accuse you of this directly or in implication. But seeing how reactive you got makes me think that perhaps a bit of the ol' enemy of my enemy is my friend at work here that brought you out of lurkdom, which has been replayed so many times in your years of posing here I hope you make a comical attempt to deny it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : (snip) But your support for him has eliminated you from the FFL dead pool so in the end your choice my be the wise one here if you still care to post. I resent the implication. Standard Curtis. As it happens, I don't intend to stay around much longer. Me: Nothing was implied Judy, it was all stated clearly. Even by your own analysis that opposing Doug/Buck may lead to being banned. It was your conclusion about why he bounced Barry for talking back to him. Being offended by the most obvious comment was your MO here so this is standard Judy. Judy: The only reason I've stayed as long as I have is to try to keep you guys more honest than you would be otherwise. Me: Always nice to end with a note of condescension and self aggrandizement so we know it is really you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Were that true, it was not a post to a Yahoo group, but a personal e-mail and not subject to Yahoo groups guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Pastor Barry probably emailed Doug some expletives which sealed his fate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What on earth is the difficulty understanding the obvious here? Turq got thrown out because he declared he was not subject to Doug's moderation. There's no need to have Doug explain it to us when we have the evidence of the post in which he explicitly announced he was going to completely ignore anything Doug said. (He had also repeatedly insulted Doug, among other things by calling him insane.) And BTW, Xeno, there were some very smart people--some smarter than you, in fact--who wanted Turq removed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I agree with the need to know. If we are expected to follow your interpretation of the vague yahoo guidelines, it is only fair for us to find out what POV we need to align ourselves to until all dissenting voices are inevitably quelled here. So far it is a perfect reflection of the movement style. One of the longest posters here has suddenly been removed and we have no idea why. This is in contrast to what happened when R was removed for a very specific infraction of the rules that help us be safe posting here. We know why and if you don't do what he did, you wont get what he got. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Buck, what were your reasons for removing Turq from the group? I know there have been many complaints about him from spiritual cretins as to why they wanted him removed, but you have been silent about it, even though you seemed vocal about it in a general way prior to being appointed moderator. I am interested in the mind of our moderator. As you performed the action of blocking him, what were you feeling? He had, after all, been on your case for years.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Buck, what were your reasons for removing Turq from the group? I know there
have been many complaints about him from spiritual cretins as to why they
wanted him removed, but you have been silent about it, even though you seemed
vocal about it in a general way prior to being appointed moderator. I am
interested in the mind of our moderator. As you performed the action of
blocking him, what were you feeling? He had, after all, been on your case for
years.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? This post is almost entirely irrelevant to the current situation on FFL. Moreover, it has quite a few inaccuracies. There is no reason that anyone's equanimity should be deliberately tested by trying to upset them. It may happen naturally in the course of a discussion or argument, but otherwise it's just an excuse to indulge one's aggression and treat them badly. If your equanimity is tested and you fail, then you realise you have more work to do in that regard. Before I learned TM, most of what I was engaged in was all about button pushing and discovering the extent of one's conditioning. It can be valuable. This feature of spiritual technology is heavily suppressed in the TM movement. Turq's posts were frequently poorly reasoned. He was a flashy writer, and this tended to be deceptive: one assumed he was saying something insightful because one was dazzled by the language. But if you looked more closely, you found that he was so focused on showing off his language skills that he didn't pay much attention to working out his ideas properly. Also, he often got his facts wrong, inadvertently or otherwise. Turq's post were almost always exaggerated for effect. Maharishi always exaggerated too to emphasise points. And in discussing metaphysical aspects of spirituality, there are no facts, so it does not matter if you make a mistake, everyone is dreaming in that regard. I'm not sure anybody cares which "R's" you would or would not have removed. Tell that to those that argued with them, or had to wade through their posts. Doug has not yet demonstrated a tyrannical side. As Alex confirmed, he has not deleted any posts. He has "deleted" two posters, both for more than sufficient reason. He has not moderated any "contrary views" except for one slip with Turq's nasty post about David Lynch (which has not been deleted). Every new moderator, as far as I'm concerned, gets to make a couple of mistakes at first. That's how they learn what it's about. I suspect that is only because Rick is looking over his shoulder. Doug has been under withering fire from Turq for *years*. It's no wonder he has "personal enmity"; he wouldn't be human if he didn't. He's stood up under it remarkably well. But Turq handed him a justification to expel him on a silver platter when he declared himself not subject to Doug's authority as moderator. What was he *thinking*?? How could there have been any question in his mind as to why he'd been denied access to the forum? Doug is a rather strange persona in my opinion, constant spamming, often a complete lack of original thinking in those repetitive whining post that went on for all those years. With Turq gone, I am interested though in seeing if he comes out into the sun. There have always been signs he can think independently of his TMO conditioning, and that the TMO has essentially excommunicated him perhaps it will emerge. Doug's "religious persona" is hardly medieval. Nineteenth century, maybe. I vote for giving him a chance and a bit of benefit of the doubt, maybe even helping him out rather than continually nastily criticizing him. That was an exaggeration, 19th century is a more accurate characterisation. Of course it is no longer the 19th century either, its a 21st century persona with historical influences. Did anyone argue that personal attacks always involved profanity? Personal attacks do not require profanity. Did anyone argue that personal attacks were always gratuitous? Personal attacks are often a response to a personal attack, they can be a reaction. Did anyone argue that likes and dislikes have something to do with the truth? What do likes and dislikes have to do with truth, other than if you like the idea of truth, it might point the mind in looking to find out? As for your quotes, at this point they're straw men. Nobody's freedom of speech has been taken away, nobody has tried to suppress others' opinions or ideas, nobody has censored anything. Turq is not here so he can no longer speak freely here, his opinions have been now suppressed. He has been censored. So has 'R', removed by Rick. To me 'R' was like a swarm of mosquitoes; certainly you remember when he began to focus on you. And your final paragraph is gratuitously insulting to Doug. Insulting, perhaps, but not gratuitous. Doug is not a free thinker, not a secular humanist, I think if he did not have Rick looking over his shoulder here, we would see the real persona unchained. But you know, none of the interplay here is really personal, we are just text on a computer screen. We are trading our ideas about what we think, our ideas about what others are, there is no flesh and blood interaction, no real personal interaction. Of course where spirit
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The birth of computer consciousness?
First of all the idea 'heart chakra' has to be discovered as a physical
construct rather than being conceived as a metaphysical imaginary entity. What
is missing so far in artificial intelligence is awareness. What is
consciousness that a computer could be conscious? One of the scientific
theories of consciousness (integrated information theory) indicates that simple
neural nets could be conscious but a complex one might not be. This would mean
consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. Some other theories (the unprovable
ones) postulate panpsychism, the view that consciousness, mind or psyche is a
universal feature of all things, and the primordial feature from which all
other characteristics are derived. This is the basic idea in the Upanishads,
Taoism, and Zen. Panpsychism takes the idea of gods or god and diffuses it,
completely abstracting it, de-anthropomorphising it, removing the intentional
stance as impetus for action, de-entifying it entirely. It basically makes
consciousness disappear by making it what everything is. In this case,
supposing that were true, any computer given sensory hardware would be
conscious, but not necessarily self-aware, which would require a particular
topology of the neural net.
In speaking of the heart, we could consider psychopaths, which are often
engaging, seemingly caring people, but inside they have zero compassion, zero
empathy. A computer neural net could be programmed, or even taught, to give the
appearance and behaviour of emotional warmth without actually having it. On the
other hand, would that programming actually result in it having heart? An
actor, or a psychopath can fake having heart, so perhaps it would depend on how
many layers devoted to the feature exist in the neural net, how deep it really
went.
In mixing computer science and physics with ideas like 'heart chakra' you have
to provide real demonstrable confirmation of the existence of this feature, not
just postulate it is there because someone planted the idea in your mind. I
have heard the idea for over 40 years, but don't know if it is real, and I
suspect there are much better explanation for human emotional behaviour and
feeling than this insubstantial concept.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The birth of computer consciousness?
Yep, that is interesting speculation. Butcan they make a heart chakra and
its field affect for a computer? This entraining of computers theytalk about
with layers of stacked layers sounds a lot like methodwithin training of field
dogs for coordinated hunting with humans orstarting horses and bringing them
along as working horses or ridinghorses with humans. What seems is yet missing
in this artificialintelligence is the operation of a heart chakra by experience.
“..We train an artificial neural network by showing it millions of training
examples and gradually adjusting the network parameters until it gives the
classifications we want.”
"Oneof the challenges of neural networks is understanding what exactlygoes on
at each layer. We know that after training, each layerprogressively extracts
higher and higher-level features of the image,until the final layer essentially
makes a decision on what the imageshows. For example, the first layer maybe
looks for edges or corners.Intermediate layers interpret the basic features to
look for overallshapes or components, like a door or a leaf. The final few
layersassemble those into complete interpretations—these neurons activatein
response to very complex things such as entire buildings or trees."
Working with a heart chakra, by contrast..
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
This is interesting, because in arguing with authfriend, I would say something, and she would interpret it differently than I meant, and she would say something similar. I am not sure the misrepresentation is necessarily deliberate, but think that sometimes, maybe frequently, the world views of each prevent us from honing in on what the person is really thinking; we don't know what they are thinking, but interpret what they say through our own filter. The mismatch for me is greatest with authfriend. Some people deliberately seem to skew the argument that way, but I am not convinced it is always deliberate. We do not actually have more than one world view, and are probably not aware of its extent. A combination of hard wiring, software, and some soft wiring. When we encounter another world view, it seems strange and 'wrong', something askew — but our own, it always seem 'right'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Funny you use the example of a physical fight. What I think is the feeling here, is that many of us come expecting a knife fight, only to find that others have come loaded for bear. In other words, you think you are engaging in honest dialog, albeit with an edge, and then you find yourself being misrepresented. But here we come back do our original conundrum: Are we really being misrepresented, or is just our ox being gored. Is it real, or is it Memorex.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Getting your buttons hammered is a test of equanimity, which fails miserably with many, many meditators. Tuquoiseb was pretty intense this way, but also posted well reasoned posts and other interesting things. He was not a one note guy. I found authfriend just as annoying eventually as I did Turq in the beginning. Unlike the irrelevant posts of 'R' and the rather insanely abusive posts of another 'R' a few years ago. In fact those two 'Rs' were the only ones I would have removed from FFL myself were I in control. There was a third 'R' whom I found rather creepy, but he had reasoned if sometimes devious argumentation, so even though I did not care for him, I would not have removed him because I disagreed with him. Turq provided a strong pole for the non-theistic path of spirituality, and I miss the authfriend/turq battles of the past. Intellectually Turq is far more well rounded than our farmer turned tyrant, who I feel does not have the mental flexibility to deal with strong contrary views. His own posting has been spammy in mostly non-interactive, and until now, mostly a complaint. We should note that personal attacks also do not necessarily involve profanity and can take on a much more subtle quality, and in this light everyone one here has engaged in that in my observation. It is very easy to slip from arguing against an idea and aiming at the person. Our moderator seems to have had a personal enmity against Turq and others opposed to his medieval religious persona. I for one vote for removing him as moderator. Also not all personal attacks here are gratuitous. What do you say if you are arguing against a point you regard as stupid? That implies the person holding that view is also stupid because they are holding it. And the converse is true, the person hold that stupid belief thinks it is true and holds the other in contempt for disagreeing, thinking it is stupid. Likes and dislikes have nothing to do with truth. Truth transcends even the gods, or however many you are pretending there are (the range is 0 or more). If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. —George Orwell If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. —George Washington Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of saying stupid shit. —Jim C. Hines Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. —Harry S. Truman My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line, and kiss my ass. —Christopher Hitchens I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. —James Madison Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties. —John Milton Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost. —Neil Gaiman If there's one American belief I hold above all others, it's that those who would set themselves up in judgment on matters of what is "right" and what is "best" should be given no rest; that they should have to defend their behavior most stringently. ... As a nation, we've been through too many fights to preserve our rights of free thought to let them go just because some prude with a highlighter doesn't approve of them. —Stephen King Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us The framers of the constitution knew human nature as well as we do. They too had lived in dangerous days; they too knew the suffocating influence of orthodoxy and standardized thought. They weighed the compulsions for restrained speech and thought against the abuses of liberty. They chose liberty. —William O. Douglas Most people do not really want others to have freedom of speech, they just want others to be given the freedom to say want they want to hear. —Mokokoma Mokhonoana Religion grants its adherents malign, intoxicating and morally corrosive sensations. Destroying intellectual freedom is always evil, but only religion makes doing evil feel quite so good. —Philip Pullman It is the rare fortune of these days that one may think what one likes and say what one thinks. —Tacitus The moment you say that any idea system is sacred, whether it's a religious belief system or a secular
[FairfieldLife] Dark Medieval Consciousness
It would appear a dark, medieval consciousness is beginning to take over
Fairfield Life, in the likeness of the Transcendental Meditation Organisation's
tyrannical manner.
Medieval
1. of or relating to the Middle Ages.
2. Informal, very old-fashioned or primitive.
Synonyms: antique archaic feudal Gothic primitive antediluvian
antiquated old old-fashioned unenlightened antiquated out of date
outdated outmoded anachronistic passé obsolete horse-and-buggy
Tyranny
3. cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
Synonyms: authoritarianism autocracy coercion cruelty despotism
domination oligarchy oppression terrorism totalitarianism absolutism
fascism high-handedness imperiousness monocracy severity totality
peremptoriness reign of terror unreasonableness
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL by the Numbers
Yes, the biker event was the impetus for the current spate, but in post #415501 the drone issue is mentioned, and has been brought up a number of times. And 'dh...' has just posted the following trying to downplay the drone comment in his usual opaque prose. 'Dear MJ, on a fair re-reading of the evidence presented below in context quite evidently this is not an actionable threat as you and others seem so willingly to misinterpret it but a simile based on an empathy around a larger order. Case dismissed. No action of moderation required against Buck.' There are very few actionable threats on FFL, just empty threats and put-downs most of the time. Turq seems to just say what he wants and at some point stops. I really don't know if he ever recants anything he says. 'Buck' is to my mind hypocritical in maintaining a certain moral stance, while Turq is hypercritical, and morality is not a concern. He has not mentioned the word this year in relation to himself. Last year he gave this definition of morality in relation to religion: "'Morality' consists of doing what *we* say to do during your life so that Bad Things don't happen to you after your death." I myself don't think in terms of morality. The word ethics comes to mind, but in a world in which pure being somehow runs the show, such a concept is meaningless. If the laws of nature are truly laws, then everything we do is a function of those, and we need not be concerned about morality or ethics. Those concepts are for those trying to figure out why the world behaves differently than they would like, and those words only apply to those whose behaviour we find disturbing compared to the way we think of our own, even if we behave the same way, but pretend we are not behaving the same way. We do not think of an auto-mobile, a lawn mower, or a toothbrush as having a moral compass, the word is aimed at our own species only. So I do not think Turq is concerned with the concept of morality except in the case when someone else uses the word to justify their actions and statements in which case it becomes a lever to pry out prevarication; and note that prevarication can be used to bring prevarication to light. So wonderfully dark it sparkles! I am not interested in exonerating Turq, or Buck, or you, or myself. Exoneration implies a level of loftitude, incorruptibility, principle, and sincerity as the basis for FFL and its opposing teams of henchmen that hardly seems underlie the actuality here. And a faux moralist like 'Buck' does not undermine that contention. We are scrapping here for the hell of it, and if one considers this place serious business aimed at a better world, then all of that sentiment is for naught. Perhaps if it helps us see a bit deeper into our folly, it might have a bit of a positive ring to it. As the character of Captain Louis Renault in the movie Casablanca says... Renault: Everybody is to leave here immediately! This café is closed until further notice. Clear the room, at once! Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds? Renault: I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! Croupier: [hands Renault money] Your winnings, sir. Renault (quietly): Oh, thank you very much. (louder) Everybody out at once! This is the ethics of this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Let's not get confused here. It's much more closely related to a post made by Doug (not "Buck") on May 25, 2015, about the biker fight at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas. We know you're doing your best to exonerate Turqb. That tells us a lot about who you are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All these posts are related to a March, 2014 post in which 'Buck' says to 'MJ' (the highlighted portion is the passage others fixated upon): Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, w
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL by the Numbers
All these posts are related to a March, 2014 post in which 'Buck' says to 'MJ' (the highlighted portion is the passage others fixated upon): Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Another post from turqb was also deleted that was even more vicious. Not sure of the number, but it's quoted in full in #415504 from seventhray. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Four May 25 posts #415498 to #415501 are missing, but are in my e-mail. The first three are from 'steve.sundar', which are a reply to a post #415494 by 'turquoiseb', and the content of #415494 is in all of the three, but the original #415494 is also intact on the group. Each of two following the first adds some more comments. The fourth missing post is #415501 by 'turquoiseb' which is an additional comment added to $415494. These comments were in response to post #415487 by 'dh...' which remains on FFL for the moment, and in which 'dh...' says: 'Well, one could certainly empathize with someone standing by monitoring and then in the middle of a firefight between a bunch of bikers. At a point it is just plain self-defense to shoot or be shot in the moment. Put yourself in the middle of a rough looking people all wearing vests who are shooting at each other with heavy caliber weapons. Once order is set in you betcha the cops shouted, "Hands up, Don't Shoot!". We could use some assertion of moderation around here too.' Post #415501 suggests that 'dh...' is prone to 'violent fantasies'. The deletion of material suggests 'dh...' found the material not to his/her liking, but it was incompletely deleted. On June 8 Rick announced he was thinking of appointing a moderator. I do not know what date the posts were deleted, nor who deleted them unless they speak up. Worse has been said earlier and subsequently, to me the deletions are just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The posts in question were made on May 25.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL by the Numbers
It wasn't quoting #415501. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Another post from turqb was also deleted that was even more vicious. Not sure of the number, but it's quoted in full in #415504 from seventhray. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Four May 25 posts #415498 to #415501 are missing, but are in my e-mail. The first three are from 'steve.sundar', which are a reply to a post #415494 by 'turquoiseb', and the content of #415494 is in all of the three, but the original #415494 is also intact on the group. Each of two following the first adds some more comments. The fourth missing post is #415501 by 'turquoiseb' which is an additional comment added to $415494. These comments were in response to post #415487 by 'dh...' which remains on FFL for the moment, and in which 'dh...' says: 'Well, one could certainly empathize with someone standing by monitoring and then in the middle of a firefight between a bunch of bikers. At a point it is just plain self-defense to shoot or be shot in the moment. Put yourself in the middle of a rough looking people all wearing vests who are shooting at each other with heavy caliber weapons. Once order is set in you betcha the cops shouted, "Hands up, Don't Shoot!". We could use some assertion of moderation around here too.' Post #415501 suggests that 'dh...' is prone to 'violent fantasies'. The deletion of material suggests 'dh...' found the material not to his/her liking, but it was incompletely deleted. On June 8 Rick announced he was thinking of appointing a moderator. I do not know what date the posts were deleted, nor who deleted them unless they speak up. Worse has been said earlier and subsequently, to me the deletions are just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The posts in question were made on May 25.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL by the Numbers
Four May 25 posts #415498 to #415501 are missing, but are in my e-mail. The first three are from 'steve.sundar', which are a reply to a post #415494 by 'turquoiseb', and the content of #415494 is in all of the three, but the original #415494 is also intact on the group. Each of two following the first adds some more comments. The fourth missing post is #415501 by 'turquoiseb' which is an additional comment added to $415494. These comments were in response to post #415487 by 'dh...' which remains on FFL for the moment, and in which 'dh...' says: 'Well, one could certainly empathize with someone standing by monitoring and then in the middle of a firefight between a bunch of bikers. At a point it is just plain self-defense to shoot or be shot in the moment. Put yourself in the middle of a rough looking people all wearing vests who are shooting at each other with heavy caliber weapons. Once order is set in you betcha the cops shouted, "Hands up, Don't Shoot!". We could use some assertion of moderation around here too.' Post #415501 suggests that 'dh...' is prone to 'violent fantasies'. The deletion of material suggests 'dh...' found the material not to his/her liking, but it was incompletely deleted. On June 8 Rick announced he was thinking of appointing a moderator. I do not know what date the posts were deleted, nor who deleted them unless they speak up. Worse has been said earlier and subsequently, to me the deletions are just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The posts in question were made on May 25. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Here are the last few days by message number. Note that Doug is omitted because he's sent to another message box as well as he who shall remain nameless. 416851: PostCount [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC -- 2015/6/15 416852: Duveyoung [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416858: seventhray27 [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416859: turquoiseb Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC -- 2015/6/15 416860: Duveyoung [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416861: salyavin808 [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416862: turquoiseb Re: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum -- 2015/6/15 416863: turquoiseb Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416864: salyavin808 Re: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum -- 2015/6/15 416865: jason_blue22 [FairfieldLife] Re: An Honest Message from the Republican Party -- 2015/6/15 416866: jason_blue22 [FairfieldLife] Re: Dig deep for Asteroid Day.. -- 2015/6/15 416867: turquoiseb [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416868: jason_blue22 [FairfieldLife] Re: Dig deep for Asteroid Day.. -- 2015/6/15 416869: jason_blue22 [FairfieldLife] Re: Dig deep for Asteroid Day.. -- 2015/6/15 416870: turquoiseb [FairfieldLife] Journalism At Its Worst -- 2015/6/15 416872: turquoiseb [FairfieldLife] None Of That -- 2015/6/15 416873: salyavin808 [FairfieldLife] Re: Journalism At Its Worst -- 2015/6/15 416874: seventhray27 [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416885: mjackson74 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416886: leedwilliam [FairfieldLife] Fwd: : EVOLUTION OF SWIMWEAR IN FRANCE -- 2015/6/15 416888: bhairitu Re: [FairfieldLife] None Of That -- 2015/6/15 416889: bhairitu Re: [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416890: anartaxius Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show -- 2015/6/15 416891: anartaxius [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416893: turquoiseb Re: [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416894: seventhray27 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show -- 2015/6/15 416895: seventhray27 [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416896: Duveyoung [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416898: bhairitu Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416901: seventhray27 [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416902: bhairitu [FairfieldLife] TM 1913 Style -- 2015/6/15 416903: mjackson74 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry -- 2015/6/15 416904: mjackson74 Re: [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416905: authfriend [FairfieldLife] Re: A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416906: seventhray27 [FairfieldLife] Re: A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About -- 2015/6/15 416909: bhairitu Re: [FairfieldLife] R
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Did You Find FFL?
I found FFL looking for an e-mail address for L.B. Shriver, this was in the early part of the 2000s. I did not join then as I had other things to do. After a half decade or so, I seem to recall looking for his address again, but he was in China, but I started to look at the site. I had some correspondence by e-mail with some other meditators, but the canned TB responses were as satisfying as eating sand, and FFL seemed interesting, as it turned out much more interesting than I had anticipated. I was greeted in a friendly way by authfriend, and some crazy Indian guy, and attacked by some other guy named after a blue insect. Shortly thereafter, those roles reversed. The blue insect made a prophesy, that a certain person, once disagreed with, would forever be an antagonist. This turned out to be mostly correct, though not 100% correct. Prophesy is a lousy business because it has to rely on idiots to succeed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
What was the post Turq made that was supposedly deleted by Rick? Anyone have the post#? At least in the past 24 hours, they all seem to be intact. I deleted one of my posts to see if Yahoo would leave a gap in the number sequence and it did. If a post is deleted on the forum it still shows in the e-mail, if you get it that way. dhamiltony2k5 said: 'Dear Dear Friends of FFL; These posts in this thread are all very interesting but it turns out as I look at the moderator's moderation log for FFL that Rick, my master, was ahead of me and deleted an even more inflammatory post by Turqb in this thread before this one of Turq's that I cited. ..as the world turns. 5,4,3,2.' From what I have been able to tell, the only post deleted from this thread was the one I deleted to test the system and that was after D's post. All of Turq's seemed to be intact. So I don't know what 'dhamiltony2k5', that mysterious spamming overlord is referring to. Does someone know if this happened? Executive Summary of Yahoo Guidelines Be a good citizen Stay on topic Follow the law Share what you know. Stay on topic. Moderate your content. No age-restricted content Post your own content. Don't violate the law. Don't use Groups for personal storage. Don't use Groups as a business. Don't be a spammer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Thanks for that too.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Message numbers are embedded in the headers emails from Yahoo Groups. It
is the second part of the Newman-Id:
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3920196-m417027 417027 is the message number for your post
below. Not sure if that helps any but that's where it's given in the message
header.
On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
That was helpful, I do not think I ever noticed that. But when I am using
e-mail it is a bit more difficult as there is no box. Usually a post number is
not mentioned. That the word message# is in grey reduces its visibility. Part
of ergonomic software design is to test a population of typical users and give
them a task and see if they can complete it. Often software designers discover
what seemed obvious to them was in effect, invisible to the typical user, in
which case, if there is time, they make a change. On the other hand the Search
bar at the top is rather prominent. A good design would allow the typing
'message #xx' in that box and would come up with results, but that does not
work unless the message# is in the message itself. If not it returns posts
with the word message in them. So the software has the search routines split
into two separate functions. I see the date functions in Advanced Search now do
not give error messages, but with my browser, still do not return a date
range. I am not usually interested in past posts so I do not use the search
functions that often.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Just popping back in quickly with a helpful note:
It's absurdly easy to find a post via the Website when you have the post
number, which was provided by the moderator in this case. Just go to the
Message View page. At the top, under the banner photo to the right, is a box
labeled "Message #," with a magnifying glass icon. Type the post number in the
box. Hit Return. Voila!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[...] I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of
days old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages.[...]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[...] Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this
posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this
be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's.
-JaiGuruYou
reference: FFL# 416332
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
I like Lynch's films too. They are dark for the most part, and in the view of people I watched them with, sick. He seems to have a preference for head injuries. My favourite is still his first major foray, Eraserhead. Although I suspect the non-linear character of many of them lead some to consider him a genius because they cannot understand them. It is those short scenes of human behaviour that display a strange deviant creepiness that I find intriguing, such as feeding the mutan kid in Eraserhead, or that guy in Muholland Drive dumping his trollop wife's jewellery into paint cans and massaging them with his hands to get revenge. That his films contain scenes most people I know would rather not experience does not necessarily mean he is sick, but I am sure it makes a lot of people wonder about him, because such thoughts do not occur to them, or if they do, they edit them out of their minds, especially in conversation so they appear nice and normal. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy I like Lynch's films. I also being in the arts myself know how some artists think and Lynch has found TM useful and doesn't want to be bothered doing anything else. I'm sure some of his artist friends have told him there are better things out there but he doesn't care, he just wants to get on with his art. OTOH, I've known MUM Vedic Studies grads who like to explore other paths too. But I hear that all seasons of the Andy Griffith Show are available on Netflix if that suits you. :-D On 06/17/2015 02:52 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For whatever my opinion is worth, I would slur and revile Lynch to a fair-thee-well. He is obviously a hypocrite which puts him in good company since most of the TM leadership I ever had dealings with were too, and he is the purveyor of a way to "save" the world while adding to its degradation with his awful twisted schlock. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy David Lynch is a public figure in the TM movement, and worldwide. He is not part of the FFL Yahoo group. He is in a different category than members of this group. Criticism of Lynch as a public figure is fair game on-line and in the press as long as it is not libel. I feel this is NOT a violation of Yahoo group guidelines and you are overstepping your authority. I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of days old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages. However, I did find that post. You have got to be kidding 'dhamiltonyk5'. I believe I know someone who went on that course. That person did not get enlightened. I think that person is very gullible, based on considerations other than that person having gone on that course. Saying someone is gullible is a mere opinion, but it is something that could be backed up with evidence. Gullible: easily persuaded to believe something; credulous, naive, over-trusting, over-trustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, un-suspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; Furthermore, it was not a non sequitur, 'TurquoiseBee' was responding to a similar event of gullibility, providing what he thought was another example of the same, so it was germane to the conversation. We have all been taken in by something in our lives. There are a lot of us who feel that the TMO has taken advantage of people's inexperience in certain areas of life, and that as a spiritual movement, it and those supporting it have in some ways gone off track. And if you have ever watched all of David Lynch's work, he is a pretty weird guy by most normal person standards. And that post was over 10 days ago. A moderator is supposed to be doing this more or less in real time, dealing with current 'offences', like the broadcast loop delay on live broadcasts a moderator can delete certain words in almost real time. This example is more like the Inquisition looking for someone as a scapegoat. I think anyone who took a course for a fee like that is out of their mind. Even worse than gullible. Unless they are thinking of it as a conscious donation to a cause they believe is real, it seems to lack judgement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.” “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” The dragging of someone in to an unrelated thread
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
That was helpful, I do not think I ever noticed that. But when I am using
e-mail it is a bit more difficult as there is no box. Usually a post number is
not mentioned. That the word message# is in grey reduces its visibility. Part
of ergonomic software design is to test a population of typical users and give
them a task and see if they can complete it. Often software designers discover
what seemed obvious to them was in effect, invisible to the typical user, in
which case, if there is time, they make a change. On the other hand the Search
bar at the top is rather prominent. A good design would allow the typing
'message #xx' in that box and would come up with results, but that does not
work unless the message# is in the message itself. If not it returns posts with
the word message in them. So the software has the search routines split into
two separate functions. I see the date functions in Advanced Search now do not
give error messages, but with my browser, still do not return a date range. I
am not usually interested in past posts so I do not use the search functions
that often.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Just popping back in quickly with a helpful note:
It's absurdly easy to find a post via the Website when you have the post
number, which was provided by the moderator in this case. Just go to the
Message View page. At the top, under the banner photo to the right, is a box
labeled "Message #," with a magnifying glass icon. Type the post number in the
box. Hit Return. Voila!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[...] I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of days
old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages.[...]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[...] Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this
posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this
be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's.
-JaiGuruYou
reference: FFL# 416332
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[FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
David Lynch is a public figure in the TM movement, and worldwide. He is not part of the FFL Yahoo group. He is in a different category than members of this group. Criticism of Lynch as a public figure is fair game on-line and in the press as long as it is not libel. I feel this is NOT a violation of Yahoo group guidelines and you are overstepping your authority. I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of days old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages. However, I did find that post. You have got to be kidding 'dhamiltonyk5'. I believe I know someone who went on that course. That person did not get enlightened. I think that person is very gullible, based on considerations other than that person having gone on that course. Saying someone is gullible is a mere opinion, but it is something that could be backed up with evidence. Gullible: easily persuaded to believe something; credulous, naive, over-trusting, over-trustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, un-suspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; Furthermore, it was not a non sequitur, 'TurquoiseBee' was responding to a similar event of gullibility, providing what he thought was another example of the same, so it was germane to the conversation. We have all been taken in by something in our lives. There are a lot of us who feel that the TMO has taken advantage of people's inexperience in certain areas of life, and that as a spiritual movement, it and those supporting it have in some ways gone off track. And if you have ever watched all of David Lynch's work, he is a pretty weird guy by most normal person standards. And that post was over 10 days ago. A moderator is supposed to be doing this more or less in real time, dealing with current 'offences', like the broadcast loop delay on live broadcasts a moderator can delete certain words in almost real time. This example is more like the Inquisition looking for someone as a scapegoat. I think anyone who took a course for a fee like that is out of their mind. Even worse than gullible. Unless they are thinking of it as a conscious donation to a cause they believe is real, it seems to lack judgement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.” “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” The dragging of someone in to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group.. Whoa, for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou reference: FFL# 416332
Re: [FairfieldLife] On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Note that 'Buck' does not appear in the data Yahoo now posts on the group, nor does it appear in the e-mail. And what do we do if someone's real name is part or the whole of their e-mail address, or if the person signs off with their real name somewhere in the e-mail and does not care, and we respond to that? What if we repost an older post and the person's real name was in that? Buck is a nickname, but I assume others might use it where you live. I sometimes use the full e-mail address name, but not the company name (yahoogroups.com for example). What if a person wants to use their real name, are they prohibited? Please clarify. Summary of this message - person's real name in e-mail address - person wants to use real name - person wants to use a nickname that people in real life call him/her by - person's real name appears in older posts - person doesn't care if real name is used - person's real name is posted by person somewhere in e-mail (deliberately) Sincerely, Xenophaneros Anartaxius From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] On Gratuitous invasions of privacy “ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.” Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your writing removed from FFL. Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion of privacy as used in method. Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck', 'Nablusoss is Nablusoss', and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now going forward you shall bemoderate in this as Rick originally intended. Show self-restraintand respect for other people's privacy here. Simple. That is part ofthe communal collaboration asked for in making this a particularfree-speech zone as it was hoped for. Have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks A., good to know. In going forward with moderation on FFL, protection of privacy has always been a mainstay feature of FFL as Rick's free speech list. This feature of protection has been under siege and fallen to a form of a disrespect used by some writers on FFL. Everyone take this as a warning right now going forward: where someone posting to the list uses an anonymous screen name it is quite proper form on FFL as a yahoo-group to respond to posts using a person's screen name and make no mention of their real name otherwise. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please ignore what he says about me. He has it completely wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Serious_Richardbrings up in this particular thread an important point about privacyon FFL. From the beginning Rick has been intent on creating asafe-space of privacy for folks to post on FFL. Rick's principlesin creating safe-space have been under attack, degraded andmethodically violated by some writers here evidently to abuse or intimidateother folks personally who have been members of the community of FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanksfor offering this, Serious. Yes I feel this is an excellent examplethat you offer of precedence in how to directly moderate a list thathas gone so bad like this. I shall make note of it and emulate Rickin this as much as possible. The yahoo-groups guidelines themselvesare quite simple and require of writers only some self-control. -JaiGuruYou! Just for the record, I should point out that Rick banned me from the group without sending me a single message or email explaining why. So, I appealed to him and he reinstated my posting privileges. Apparently an informant objected to my using their real name, although they had previously posted under their real name. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sad news. The really sad part of this is that [] has not apologized to me for over two decades for posting my real name on a.m.t. Go figure. But, this brings up an interesting subject. From what I've read, has never used her real name on FFL, so I guess that everyone that ever used her real name should be banned from the group. That would include almost everyone currently posting. Can anyone spell cognitive dissonance? Might I propose, before Doug starts banning people, that you and Rick insist on a few guidelines for *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump Runs for President
On the news this morning, the Trump campaign said they paid for the rights to use the song. Song writers are not usually involved in rights negotiations directly. For example an acquaintance of mine paid about $500 to use four lines of one of Paul Simon's songs in a book. Simon was not involved at all, it was just a standard fee for a particular use, handled by his company. Be interesting to see how this will pan out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Neil Young: Donald Trump wasn't authorized to use my song http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/17/neil-young-donald-trump-wasnt-authorized-to-use-my-song/ http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/17/neil-young-donald-trump-wasnt-authorized-to-use-my-song/ Neil Young: Donald Trump wasn't authorized to use my... http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/17/neil-young-donald-trump-wasnt-authorized-to-use-my-song/ Neil Young isn't happy too with Donald Trump. View on www.foxnews.com http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/17/neil-young-donald-trump-wasnt-authorized-to-use-my-song/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Gary Larson influence
I believe Larson's The Far Side inspired a whole new generation of cartoonists, although most of them have never been able to maintain the amount of consistency he achieved. If one (in the U.S) looks at the comics section in today's papers, it is terribly bland. When I was a child, there were many strips that were dramatic stories, science fiction, detectives, espionage, etc. Most of this is all gone. A whole new generation of cartoonists is appearing on the Internet given them the opportunity to discuss subjects that newspaper editors would shy away from, and Larson created that crack in the door. Larson made use of contradictory ideas such as in his panel showing a meat wagon about to crash into a vegetarian restaurant. The following cartoon appeared on a site called alarmingnews.com and the file name was 'unfunny joke' as someone did not like it but posted it from its original website. But the cartoon shows up the nature of hypocrisy, in which the human mind holds two opposing views at the same time. I feel Larson opened the way for cartoonists to deal with more an just simple-minded situation humour and although he typically did not delve into the darker side of human thought, he provided the inspiration for others to try these things out.
[FairfieldLife] Limitations of Thought
I was in New England a couple of days ago, and I passed this church. It occurred to me that ministers come up with some rather dim copy when it comes to trying to entice their parishioners to show up for services. Perhaps being saved at Wal-Mart would be less expensive because Wal-Mart does not sell mythology concerning invisible beings. Note the lightning rod at the top of the cross. A lack of faith, obviously. Note the international symbol for access on the sign: the message is, that those already zapped by the good lord are welcome for another shot. united-methodist-church-and-sign https://www.flickr.com/photos/128403093@N07/18865979025/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/128403093@N07/18865979025/in/dateposted-public/ united-methodist-church-and-sign https://www.flickr.com/photos/128403093@N07/18865979025/in/dateposted-public/ Explore anartaxius' photos on Flickr. anartaxius has uploaded 1 photo to Flickr. View on www.flickr.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/128403093@N07/18865979025/in/dateposted-public/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You are obviously an idiot — that was a new post with new material. You writers
are just an elitist bunch of crappers.
On another benign note, I was once on a walk with a couple of people in
Washington D.C. who were working for the college of natural law (real estate
speculation). One of these fellows said that creativity was 'working to
accepted standards'. I disagreed. The discussion had begun because I had
brought up Gary Larson, the artist/writer who at the time was the creator of
the Far Side comic published in the newspapers then. This fellow did not think
Larson creative. Another in the same profession, Bill Waterson who wrote and
drew Calvin and Hobbes is another who I considered creative. These two guys
gave depth to comics because their writing and art had subtext, it did not hit
you directly as most comics did with a rather flat model of humour, they forced
you to think and draw lines between the dots and appreciate the irregularities
of human behaviour.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
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From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$&*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@&%$, sitting
there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#&
non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile
brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some
substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences
like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you
insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of
Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling
on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#&@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and
your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on
your Oh, what the $#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
"personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$&*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@&%$, sitting there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#& non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#&@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on your Oh, what the $#@%. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated. Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of "personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we were doing so much better, too... From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] ...
[FairfieldLife] For Doug, definitions and legal concerns
For Doug, definitions and legal concerns profanity noun: blasphemous or obscene language. irreligious or irreverent behaviour. Legal: Irreverence towards sacred things; particularly, an irreverent or blasphemous use of the name of God (which one is not specified). Vulgar, irreverent, or coarse language. (This supposes that sacred things exist.) The word profane means: relating or devoted to that which is not sacred or biblical; secular rather than religious. Not respectful of orthodox religious practice; irreverent. Suppression of the profane violates the rights of non-believers, atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, and probably some Unitarians who prefer not to be bothered by this sort of activity, and not to be pestered by those whose imaginings of invisible, unprovable things they consider lunacy. obscenity noun: the state or quality of being obscene; obscene behaviour, language, or images. an extremely offensive word or expression. Also, indecency, immorality, impropriety, salaciousness, smuttiness, smut, lewdness, impurity, crudeness, vulgarity, dirtiness, dirt, filth, coarseness, crudity. Both these words, profanity and obscenity, are derived from religious thinking, that is, these concepts relate to a non-human imaginary standard of behaviour derived from an imaginary invisible force. This force is never seen, only spoken of by the supposed representatives thereof. 'The English adjective 'obscene' dates to the late 16th century. It's taken from the Middle French obscène and ultimately is from the Latin obscenus, meaning ill-omened, filthy, or disgusting.' 'According to U.S. law, obscene material or speech is not protected by the First Amendment and it may be prohibited outright by the government. 'What exactly constitutes obscenity? Unlike Stewart’s "I know it when I see it" doctrine, the definition of obscenity in U.S. law is fairly clear, albeit still open to some interpretation. The operating standard was penned by Chief Justice Warren Burger in his majority opinion in Miller v. California (1973). Burger proposed a three-pronged test for obscenity:' '"(a) whether 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards' would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."' 'What this means is that, at least as far as the law is concerned, individual words, phrases, or passages cannot be declared to be obscene. The work must be considered as a whole. Therefore, a novel that uses a certain four-letter word or contains some erotic passages, like D.H. Lawrence’s Lady Chatterley’s Lover to name one that is famous for having been censored for both these reasons, cannot be considered obscene.' It would appear that Yahoo's guidelines are not entirely clear in their relationship to United States law. A few passages here and there cannot be considered obscene and profanity is not necessarily obscene either. That these words and concepts continue in our society is a reflection of our continuing ascendency out of the dark ages of religious thought control. It appears to me that Edg (Duveyoung) foisted upon us a creative work, at least he considers it such. It is not sexually oriented to 'prurient interest'.
[FairfieldLife] Expletive vs Explicative
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Interestingly, the moderation approach Doug has chosen, which Barry has vehemently denounced--in which offending posts are deleted "secretly" behind the scenes with no explanation--will actually protect transgressors from being shamed by anybody (crazed or otherwise). I guess the Game of Thrones parallel Barry has attempted to draw is not so apt after all. My free time is up, so this is my last post for this visit. I may or may not show up again at some point. Doug, it looks like your gig is off to a good start. You're a brave man; best of luck to you. Illegitimi non carborundum!* *Yes, Xeno, I know. As always. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is a fun rap to write in a way, because the audience that understands it will be almost by definition be limited to a small, self-selecting number of people on this forum. The others won't really get it, and I think we all know they won't do the "homework" necessary for them to *ever* get it, because they won't watch the TV show. Basically, this is the rap: My suggestion for the best example I've found in fiction to represent what the mindset driving this recent push for "moderation" on Fairfield Life really is, what the emotions and motivations are that drive it, and what it hopes to accomplish, are the moments between 40:40 and 52:50 in the season finale of Game Of Thrones titled "Mother's Mercy." In that segment, a representative of the fanatical religious cult who calls himself the High Sparrow gets to force someone he hates to undergo his idea of "atonement," walking naked through a crowd of people who jeer at the High Sparrow's victim and throw shit and and garbage at them, while his female sycophant walks along behind the victim, ringing a bell and chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!" And all of this is viewed as not only necessary but the vindication of spirituality and religion -- what is needed to "set things right" and return society to its proper balance. For those who have been watching Game Of Thrones, I allow you to choose who on FFL plays the role of the High Sparrow, and who plays the part of the Crazed Nun chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!" with a look of ecstasy on her face, as if finally being able to do this *and* get praised for it is the highest moment in her life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was "Is Edg a quality thinker?" -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together "just so." If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, based on a rather literal reading of Yahoo guidelines. Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? Doug may be feeling compassion. Perhaps he thinks you should be hospitalised. It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he "took over here." See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. I think, based on what Doug posted recently, is he is trying to get the feel of what is going on. I am not sure how many of everyone's messages he read before, but now he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. It's a new job for him and he has a number of people here not liking the idea he a moderator, thinking he will be too strict and narrow minded, and on the other side there is Rick, who could yank the moderator job away from him if he gets too enthusiastic about the job, and there are those who do favour moderation with a firm hand, but those could just go over to The Peak and see what happens. So after reading the above, we should not take anything you say as being representative of anything you actually think, or of reality in general? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a suggestion. If any one has violated the guidelines here in this exchange, you have. I have to admit though, it is very entertaining. People to not require a Ph.D. to determine whether they think someone is angry or unbalanced, though eventually other factors may intervene for that someone, such as law enforcement officers or medical professionals working in the area of mental health. If I were to comment on 'your case', I would have the opinion you have low self esteem, that you blow up some simple comments into a vast conspiracy against your person. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger."to whatever degree"and for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that "decider" to say, "Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad." Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for "might blow at any minute." My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: "Does that make sense?" is clearly another attempt to present the concept "Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his." It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. "What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent." -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the "act" occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
I wasn't really complaining. Sparring with Judy is a unique challenge. I do not think I ever quite got the hang of it, it is an ongoing learning process dealing with other minds, or what appears to be other minds (y'all could be robots or zombies). I do think your arguments tend to be spongy, and yours is another mind I do not fully grok. Note however I do appear to be more courteous than Edg in responding to you. I think your comments there were well taken. So that you can respond to me with greater precision subsequently, I have a non-theistic view of the world, care about facts and scientific reasoning, and to the extent I am able, logic. I do think there is something to spirituality, but that all descriptions thereof are metaphorical, that we are dealing with a subject matter that lies outside the thinking process, but not outside experience, and that all statements concerning this are basically untrue but function as guideposts for experience and discovery much in the same way poetry and music provide avenues into experience that mere prose cannot fathom. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno, you have to admit, this is sort of funny. For the last few months, we've had to hear how much you've missed sparring with Judy, and how inadequate those of us who you describe as being in that "other " camp of FFLers are, in engaging in intellectual discussions. But now you have your wish, (at least temporarily), and you're complaining again! Son, make up your mind. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I am not going to think about it. I probably would not score all that high anyway. Too bad there isn't an inventory for antagonism. I bet you would get a very high score on that. You are really back in form. The long vacation from here must have restored something that was depleted. Or perhaps whatever else you were doing came to an end. That is of course total speculation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : P.S.: You may also want to think about justifying the use of the Wechsler IQ scale (assuming it can be determined for each FFL member) for evaluation of members, given the questions that have been raised about its utility (e.g., "to base a concept of intelligence on IQ test scores alone is to ignore many important aspects of mental ability"). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Criticism_and_views https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Criticism_and_views ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Intelligence Quotient (IQ) as determined by the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. That should be sufficient. And you propose to determine this measurement for FFL members (especially for those no longer posting here) how? Can you give me a recent example where I asked someone to define a term? I don't recall doing this 'frequently' but also my memory is not particularly good at this stage in my life. If you cannot do that we can consider this post trolling. (Is this the royal or the editorial "we"?) Now that you've defined what you mean by "stupidest" and "smartest," the question of why you haven't been willing to define them previously is obviously moot. But Steve's similar recollection should be sufficient to confirm mine, so let's just chalk up your inability to recall any such demands to your failing memory. If you first establish the fact, then you can wonder why, and perhaps I will give an answer. Actually I can wonder why regardless of whether the fact is first established. (Note that my wondering was not in the form of a question to you in any case. Perhaps the trolling is yours rather than mine here.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I note that while you frequently demand that other people define their terms, you have not been willing to define "stupidest" (and now "smartest") that you've been harping on recently. Why would that be, I wonder?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote (to Curtis) : That personalized invasion of your privacy was a low point on FFL that was way against Rick's original intentions for the site and clearly against what are now the yahoo-groups guidelines. Yours was proly not the moment of decline but the list had evidently jumped a shark before with an influx of personal antagonisms which have since developed into some literary forms of perfection in a hyper personalization of the ad hominem meme here to hurt people. Doug, ad hominem is not a meme, it is an informal logical fallacy in which a personal characteristic or action or situation a person has or is in is taken as proof his/her argument is false. 'Ad hominem' means 'to the man', instead of refuting a logical argument or position directly, one diverts attention to the person who made the argument one does not believe or like. An ad hominem is not necessarily a personal attack although it could be. It's primary function is to act as a diversion to what the real discussion is about while seeming to be a point in the argument for a particular idea or line of reasoning. Extremely common in politics. A meme is 'an idea, behaviour, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture' and has little to do with ad hominem as a logical error. If I said regarding this subject here 'Doug cannot understand what 'ad hominem' means because he is a farmer', that would be an example of ad hominem. If I said 'Doug appears to be unaware of the definition of 'ad hominem', that would not be be ad hominem, it would just be an opinion I expressed, because it is not a reasoned argument about anything. A direct personal attack might also not be ad hominem either if it is not being used to refute the other person's position on a subject. It would just be personal invective. Saying something like 'You are so and so you $&@#$', is not ad hominem. Because Curtis studied philosophy, he would probably be the best person here to delineate these points. Now that last statement is called pro hominem, the opposite of ad hominem. That he studied philosophy is no guarantee that he would know, even though I think he does know and better than me. Here are some more samples of ad hominem. (from another website) A lawyer attacking a defendant’s character rather than addressing or questioning based on the case, e.g., in a case of theft pointing out the defendant’s level of poverty. A politician degrading another politician during a political campaign when asked about a specific policy, e.g. “Well, I think we need to look at the other candidate’s failures regarding this topic.” Responding in any debate with an attack on one’s personal beliefs. Using someone’s known background or beliefs to respond in a way such as “Of course you would say that, because you believe _.” Stating that someone’s argument is incorrect because of her religious beliefs, such as, “Perhaps if you weren’t part of the religious group that you are, you would see this quite differently.” Attacking someone’s own sexual orientation in arguing about the right of LGBT individuals to marry such as “The only reason you could possibly be in favor of this is because you are not being honest about your own sexuality.” Demeaning a teacher’s decision on grading by insulting her intelligence, e.g., “Well, it’s not like you graduated from the best school, so I can see why you wouldn’t know how to properly grade a writing assignment.” Using racial slurs to demean a person of another race in an argument about a crime involving people of different racial backgrounds, such as, “People like you don’t understand what it’s like to be of my race so you blatantly have no right to make an argument about this situation.” Generalizing views of a political party as an insulting argument to an individual who is a member of a different party, e.g., “Well, it’s pretty obvious that your political party doesn’t know how to be fiscally responsible, so I wouldn’t expect you to, either.” Stating that one’s age precludes him from being able to make an intelligent or meaningful argument, such as, “You are clearly just too young to understand.” Use of marital status to invalidate an opinion of someone of a different status, e.g., “How can you make a decision about someone having marital problems if you’ve never been married yourself?” Asserting that someone’s geographical location prevents him from being able to make a clear judgment, such as, “You’ve only ever lived in an urban environment. The issues of those in other areas is clearly beyond you.” Using gender as a means to devalue an argument from an opposing gender, e.g., “This is a female issue. As a man, how can you have an opinion about this?” Stating that the ethnicity of the opposing individual keeps him from formulating a valuable opinion, e.g., “You are from the United States, so you could never understa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Your hypothesis is once again way off base. You've picked up that canard from Barry, but it's never been true. What I was attempting to point out is that the whole notion of the "stupidest" (or "smartest") person on FFL is, well, just stupid. I did not pick it up from Barry. It is a memory from adolescence, or even earlier, thinking about people that way. It provided the nexus for a post. Glad you are not thinking of being the brightest or dimmest light. But we have not discussed saintliness or pure evil yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smartest Person
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think the term enlightenment is misunderstood. People think of it as something one acquires by doing certain things. But because it is about what we intrinsically are, this cannot be revealed by doing anything, because that value is already there. It is a tautology. We are what we are. Techniques are for the removal of psychological garbage. Me: I am not sure the word refers to anything more than a cluster of beliefs about someone's perspective on life. Although I have experienced fundamental shifts of my internal experience, I am not convinced that they represent anything close to how it gets hyped. It may not be realization of any reality other than something our brains can do if you think about things in a certain way or cultivate the altered states of consciousness from excessive meditation practice. I am not convinced that we all have psychological garbage that we need to remove. What some might view as garbage, I might view as a critical aspect of what makes me an individual. 'Enlightenment' is always about belief. It seems to me people respond to the prospects in which this term is embedded in different ways. Some belief is always involved. Some become true believers in whatever system they have adopted and they stay stuck in that system. Others simply drift away at some point, it did not pan out for them. Others follow the idea rather intently until at some point it simply evaporates, and one is left with what one started on the journey with. The term is only real to the true believer. To the dissatisfied person, perhaps a bad taste is left for the failure of the term to come to any distinct conclusion for them. For those for whom the pursuit has evaporated, there is the satisfaction that one never again need pursue that dream because somehow that trip of deception was built into the universe. These three different endpoints will never align in a discussion as far as I can tell. If an empty glass represents what we are, then all the stuff that prevents us seeing the empty glass is like water in the glass. Nobody really wants an empty glass, so they look elsewhere. A glass of clear water captures the attention more than an empty glass. The technique of enlightenment is like this: The glass with the water just sits still. The water slowly evaporates. When all the water has evaporated, voilà, the empty glass appears. Throughout all this, the glass did not change, nothing was gained as far as what we are, but the process we subjected ourselves to, shifted the perceptions. For those with mental impairments, this is a simple-minded analogy, not a truth; it might work for some, not others. Pursued to extreme, analogies break down. Me: Proof by analogy aside, I am not sure anyone has made a case for the need for such a concept concerning people who claim to be in such a state where they experience "whatever". Enlightenment is one of those words like "God" where the belief system it is embedded in needs to be evaluated together with the term. It is highly context dependent. I am interested in the belief systems that surround such terms to the extent that it helps me understand how people participate in shaping their conceptions of reality. So far, for me, I think it refers to a lot of mental states and perspectives that require a boatload of assumptions to be presupposed to exist. Even to evaluate one's mental state through such parameters is a filter choice on perception. I am not against someone believing this about themselves per se (must be Judy's influence) but I do object to any claim that these states somehow reveal the reality of life. To my profound disappointment Sam Harris seems to have absorbed this assumption also. Not sure how to respond to this. I found Harris' recent book interesting, but discovered he was really unable to disconnect from Buddhist philosophy. From my current point of view, 'enlightenment' has to do with undermining the tendency for the mind to believe things, and has nothing to do with states of mind in the sense that one kind of state represents 'enlightenment'. It has more to do with raw sensory experience, to the extent that a human nervous system can be free of filters (as raw experience is also filtered by the nervous system outside of our thinking processes). Maybe something like the interpretive filters of the thinking process step aside as it were, they do not come into play the way they did before even though one can still think and reason; perhaps the mind recognises an arbitrariness in applying thought to describing experience, in making up a story about what happened, what came down, and no longer assigns the term 'reality' to that story. In other words, raw experience, as raw as it is possible to be for us, becomes the primary sense of what we would call real, and the stories and ideas we attach to those experiences are frivolou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
No, you have not got it right, period. My hypothesis is your asking about how I was parsing levels of intelligence was simply to extend this discussion interminably, a per your previous custom. My bringing up the subject of 'the stupidest person on FFL' was simply a device to bring up issues related to potential censorship, for if named, 'the stupidest person on FFL' would be an insult, though perhaps the stupidest person, were there one, might not be aware it would be an insult or even unkind if they were truly stupid enough. Others though, might claim it was an insult, and this might bring down the moderator's boom on whoever pointed the finger using a name. I am sure you are clever enough to realise that, eventually. '2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it.' Doug is fond of this guideline. Just about everyone here in the past has violated this guideline, including you, including me, including Barry, and even our moderator. So my bringing up the 'stupidest' and 'smartest' person really has little or nothing to do with IQ, however it might be measured or assumed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OIC. So you're just guessing as to IQ scores when you talk about "the stupidest person" and "the smartest person" on FFL. Have I got it right now? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OIC. So you're just guessing as to IQ scores when you talk about "the stupidest person" and "the smartest person" on FFL. Have I got it right now?
[FairfieldLife] Smartest Person
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Imagine my surprise... So my question is, who exactly is the person Rick put in charge of "protecting and enforcing the civility" here, the faux persona "Buck" or the actual person behind the schtick? And whose personal sensibilities are we to avoid (what Rauncy used to refer to as) the peal clutching reaction to things people write here? Am I supposed to write as if the strict movement fundamentalist "Buck" might be offended as part of his act, or am I supposed to imagine what the real person behind the put-on might think about what I write? And who is that guy anyway since I have read so much more from the mask creature. Can I perhaps use the same artifice to express feelings I have, for example castigating any person who would suggest that perhaps this easily offended person should just "grow a pair" and stop trying to control what other people express here? Would I be protected if I said that I am vehemently opposed to anyone who might suggest that perhaps this whole ruse was just an attempt by a person who doesn't have the ability to generate meaningful content here to exert power over people with creative ability? Would a post heading of "Why I believe that Maharishi was wrong about everything" be grounds for me being expelled for hurting the tender feelings of people with weak intellectual boundaries? (Would the suggestion that some posters here HAVE weak intellectual boundaries be enough to bring the Church Lady down on my ass? Could referring to the persona "Buck" as the Church Lady be seen as hurting tender feelings or would it just fit into his Movement schtick and be exempt from his mighty power? So many questions... FFL was one of the most wonderful writing resources in my life. It encouraged me to write enough to express all the changing perspectives I had on the movement through a long period of time. And although to some, my views might be seen as not going through an evolution, I can assure you they did. Not about fundamentals like whether Maharishi's model of development of consciousness has merit, but in how I relate to people who still maintain what I view as a fantasy equivalent to the Christian concept of being saved, getting "enlightened." There was even a period after Maharishi died where I experimented with TM again to give it another consideration from my perspective today, on its own without the belief hype. And although I concluded that as enjoyable as the experience is, it does not serve a value for my life today, I loved taking that trip down Mantra-Memory Lane. FFL became unsafe for me to post on a while back when people decided that going after my personal life would be the best way to stop me from voicing my opinions here. It worked and they won. I accept that. But before I accept that the whole place has jumped the shark with regard to freedom of expression for everyone I want to say this: I am completely against anyone who would flip the bird to this self-appointed feeling-level policing of FFL. If anyone suggested that this is an example of a fragile ego gone wild and allowed to fulfill his fantasy of being in charge of what other people express, as well as being a complete pain in the ass to even have to think of what this person's idiotically tiny perspective might be about what I write... I would report this person to the moderator right away to protect the tender feelings of what (and again I oppose this view completely so try to keep up) might be charitably referred to F'n crybabies whose beliefs are so unsupportable and fanciful that they cannot accept any challenge. I think the term enlightenment is misunderstood. People think of it as something one acquires by doing certain things. But because it is about what we intrinsically are, this cannot be revealed by doing anything, because that value is already there. It is a tautology. We are what we are. Techniques are for the removal of psychological garbage. If an empty glass represents what we are, then all the stuff that prevents us seeing the empty glass is like water in the glass. Nobody really wants an empty glass, so they look elsewhere. A glass of clear water captures the attention more than an empty glass. The technique of enlightenment is like this: The glass with the water just sits still. The water slowly evaporates. When all the water has evaporated, voilà, the empty glass appears. Throughout all this, the glass did not change, nothing was gained as far as what we are, but the process we subjected ourselves to, shifted the perceptions. For those with mental impairments, this is a simple-minded analogy, not a truth; it might work for some, not others. Pursued to extreme, analogies break down.
[FairfieldLife] Smartest Person
I do believe the smartest person on FFL may have made a post. Music to my ears.
