Re: [FairfieldLife] Kundalini experiences in 18-th & 19-th century Christianity
That link to Christian experiences in the 18th and 19th century reminded me of laughing that occurred during my SCI course. Here is an excerpt from my book about laughing: Every day we had large group meetings in a gymnasium. All 200 of us would sit on bleachers while we watched a SCI videotape lecture of Maharishi on several TV monitors that were placed in front of the bleachers. A large group meditation was often held in the gymnasium while we sat on the bleachers. Having meditated for over a year, I was familiar with sneezes and other mild distractions which sometime occur in group meditations. However, I was completely surprised by laughter in our large group meditations. During one group meditation, someone laughed out loud briefly which caused someone else to come forth with a soft laugh snort. This caused a handful of people to giggle briefly. This was experienced as a short distraction in meditation, but soon in the newly quieted gymnasium, we were able to start another dive in meditation. However, in a little while the quiet charm of our meditations was interrupted again when someone let out a little peep of a laugh because they couldn’t hold it in. This started group laughter in a couple isolated spots around the gym, which then quickly spread everywhere! A few howls, shrieks, and snorts increased the comedy significantly. A couple people had loud guffaws, and then we were all laughing so hard that our bellies hurt, and I thought I was dying! The raucous laughter continued for several minutes before quelling down, but then it would restart all over again even when someone just let out a little sigh. During this group meditation, there was no way to meditate. Following this group meditation which had the uncontrollable laughing spells, TM teachers gave instructions to not encourage laughter in subsequent group meditations. Laughter did happen again in other group meditations, but it was short-lived and we didn’t hurt our guts in uncontrollable hilarity. The small admonishments given by the TM teachers had quelled the laughter distraction. I count this experience of hysterical group laughter as one of my most remarkable experiences in the TM movement. *1973*: Though I did not understand what could cause hysterical group laughter, I felt it had something to do with a positive benefit from TM and rounding. *2017*: The hysterical laughter in that group meditation superseded other laughing experiences in my life. People say that laughter is catchy. Comedians also are aware that some audiences are more receptive to humor. Since all of us were ungrounded due to rounding, our normal sensibilities were slightly askew. In addition, I believe that group meditations create a radiance effect in the room in which some kind of influence comes off each meditator and affects others in the room. Unlike the TM organization that thinks an entire community or nation could be affected by large meditating groups, I think the radiance effect is small and that the radiance effect is not always a good thing for people who are already ungrounded. The following link to my blog offers my opinion on kriyas and movements in meditation: https://myenlightenmentdelusion.com/2017/04/06/kriyas-hypnic-jerks-and-tics Matt Landing From: yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Kundalini experiences in 18-th & 19-th century Christianity Examples of John Wesley, Quakers and Shakers, Baptists, and Charles Finney in 1821; provide a curious experiential convergence to various Kundalini manifestations of followers of Swami Muktananda. Such manifestations include falling to the floor, laughing and crying, involuntary body movements, some resembling animals. http://www.evanwiggs.com/revival/history/riss6.html SHALOM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Jyotish Council's Tips for Eclipse
JP Sears has a humorous video entitled “The Solar Eclipse – Ultra Spiritual Life episode 70” at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWOykD3FXKw . It is 4 min 31 seconds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual
Wow! There are so many books! I was unaware of Prophetic Charisma. I wrote My Enlightenment Delusion from my TM experience and from my conjecture without having done much research. Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes seems to agree with what I wrote about “guru maniacs”. The following quote is from https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/113-71-73.pdf: “To the extent that prophets are mentally ill, Oakes believes narcissism to be one cause. Narcissism places the prophet at the center of a world that exists for the prophet's pleasure. This unusual, self-focused world promotes insanity It also demands a high degree of creativity Hence, Oakes agrees with Lany Foster, a Mormon historian, that Joseph Smith suffered from manic depression, which contributed to Smith's high degree of creativity.” >From my book: “I am using the phrase “guru maniac” to describe a person who >along with having delusions of grandiosity during a kundalini crisis also >happens to have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to carry out a >tactical strategy to attract followers. Most guru maniacs have an uncommon >intellectual ability which they use to impress potential followers. The phrase “spiritual maniac” describes a person who is different from a guru maniac. A spiritual maniac has delusions of grandiosity related to a kundalini crisis, but doesn’t have the necessary traits mentioned above to become a guru. A spiritual maniac is more likely to end up in a mental hospital whereas a guru maniac can talk themselves out of just about any predicament. I did not possess the charisma or eloquence to become a guru maniac, but even I flirted with the possibility of becoming a guru when I had my kundalini crisis. That is the manic symptom of over-self-confidence. Since the guru maniac has the lexicon of spiritual literature, he likely sees his kundalini crisis as being a legitimate higher state of consciousness. Thinking that one is enlightened is grandiose thinking. A guru maniac has the ability to master the enormous quantity of intellectual blather that has accumulated in religions and yogic traditions over centuries. Being able to speak about the mishmash of ancient wisdom allows a guru maniac to speak with credibility and authority. Whereas most psychotic maniacs may have friends, family, and medical doctors letting the maniac know that they are delusional, guru maniacs probably do not have anyone telling them they are delusional. Instead the followers of a guru maniac legitimatize the grandiosity that the guru maniac sees in himself. And the guru maniac sees his grandiose self-esteem validated through his own interpretations of spiritual literature. If a guru maniac could see that his thoughts were grandiose delusions, he would lose his towering self-worth, but a guru maniac is unlikely to recognize his own delusions. As time passes, guru maniacs adapt physiologically and mentally to their kundalini crisis. They are able to have one foot in their grandiose delusion and one foot in the world shared with other people. Guru maniacs learn to keep some of their delusions to themselves in order to keep themselves presentable to followers. Guru maniacs walk the line between hiding their innermost thoughts and sharing their grandiose ideas about themselves. It is easy to understand how guru maniacs enjoy having followers who not only adore them, but are also willing to serve them. Having followers must be the ultimate pick-me-up. Guru maniacs eat up the attention and the power of having followers. Like celebrities and powerful people, guru maniacs have often abused followers related to money, sex, and power. Abuse from guru maniacs is particularly maddening because guru maniacs espouse spiritual principles that are supposed to aid moral living. I propose that after a guru maniac easily receives respect, admiration, and service from followers, the guru maniac can lose his moral compass. The guru maniac starts to think that he can do anything. Are all founders of religions and spiritual movements guru maniacs? It would seem to have gall to share original ideas on spiritual matters. Almost by definition, spiritual matters are beyond perception and comprehension, but even so, some people come along to declare things as facts concerning the previously unknowable realm. Founding or changing a religion would take a real gutsy person, or if not a gutsy person, a person in the midst of a manic episode with delusions. A founder of a religion would have to speak with great authority, intensity, and persuasiveness in order to get followers, and these happen to be the qualities of a guru maniac. When under the influence of mania, a guru maniac thinks he can do anything, and with his charisma, he can do amazing things. When I hear about either ancient or modern people who have spiritual visions or who hear from God, I think they had a grandiose delusion from a kundalini
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!
Here’s what I wrote about radiance: TMers emanate a type of radiance during group meditations. Maharishi and the TM movement have had several publicity campaigns extolling possible benefits to society from radiance. There are many instances besides meditation when a kind of energy is transferred from person to person. For example, the electricity-like atmosphere at concerts, plays, and sporting events is an amazing, worthwhile life experience. Another possibility of energy transference might occur when seeing someone else yawn, or when riding in a car with someone who takes a nap. In 1973, I first noticed that meditations seemed deeper when meditating with others on my Science of Creative Intelligence course. There is a radiance effect coming off a meditator that does affect other meditators in the vicinity. I noticed a radiance effect also when learning the TM-Sidhi on levitation in that I was more likely to hop when someone close to me was also hopping. During the years that I was ungrounded, I seemed to sense a deeper quality of silence when entering the city of Fairfield, Iowa. Although the placebo effect could be at play, I think that an ungrounded person is more likely to sense the deeper silence in Fairfield than someone who is grounded. The TM organization came up with what seems to be fanciful mathematics to predict the radiance effect of the TM-Sidhis program. They stated that when the square root of 1% of a population practices the TM-Sidhis program as a group, there will be an immediate reduction of hostility and violence in the population. These kinds of unbelievable claims eventually made it easy for me to walk away from the TM movement. I do think there is a super-radiance effect from large groups practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program, but I suspect it has a mixture of healthy and unhealthy effects. The unhealthy effect of TM super-radiance is probably greater on people who are ungrounded. I suspect that the effect on the population as a whole would be negligible, but there might be a means of small benefit through hormesis. More on my musings at https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com From: Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 2:59 PM To: Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation! I was wondering just what kind of research might show up under "group effects of meditation." group effects of meditation - Google Scholar group effects of meditation - Google Scholar This search on Google does not search for only results from TM.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Visit of Baba Muktananda
Having seen Maharishi’s reverence to Guru Dev and as a naïve spiritual seeker, I assumed all disciples had reverence for their guru. Therefore, I was surprised to meet an inner-circle disciple of Muktananda in 1989 who didn’t. It was not until January 2017 that I happened to learn of Muktananda’s indiscretions and the splintering of his organization and followers. As far as I know, his successor’s organization has never acknowledged Muktananda’s darker side. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Visit of Baba Muktananda ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Someone just sent me this. A background story on this is that I spent the summer of ’76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to “inspire the local teachers” during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devotion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I wasn’t there and can’t relate anything more extensive than that, although I later saw a videotape of MMY’s meeting with Muktananda. Subject: Re: NatLaw:Baba Muktananda's talk on Maharishi For me the nicest part of Muktananda's visit to Maharishi was when Muktananda had left and Maharishi turned around to us and said somewhat sheepishly: 'And now we go and meditate!' and laughed. With these simple 6 words he put everything in perspective. Jai Guru Dev - Subject: NatLaw:Baba Muktananda's talk on Maharishi Here is a more complete version of Baba Muktananda's talk on Maharishi in Australia in the late '70s. Jai Guru Dev From: Here's a great one I got a few months ago, it's a real 'pat on the back' for all of us, and an encouragement to, as Maharishi has often said, "just continue." I never saw Muktananda in person myself, but he did visit Maharishi in Seelisberg in the late 70's when the World Government was headquartered there. --Larry - An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda In the late 1970's during Muktananda's visit to Australia, a group of Governors and Sidhas in Melbourne were requested by Maharishi to go and pay their respect to Muktananda. Maharishi instructed them to take flowers and garlands and present these to Muktananda and give him Maharishi's regards. It was said that the two Masters came from the same Tradition, the Shankaracharya Tradition of Jyotir Math. Muktananda showed them great respect as a group and received the delegation at a private meeting. A lady present at this meeting remembers with joy and reverence Baba Muktananda's beautiful words. During this private meeting, Muktananda told the TM group, " Maharishi and I are very different". He continued, "I am here to offer a small group of people (my devotees) the path of liberation through devotion (the path of Bhakti). I come and give my people darshan (shaktipat), I soak up their stress (karma) and process that stress (karma) for them." Muktananda explained that the illness he suffered from during his visit to Melbourne and for which he had to be rushed to hospital, was due to the stress (karma) he takes on from his devotees. It was a question about this event which gave birth to the following discourse: "Maharishi is here for the world. You may never see Maharishi yourself, but what Maharishi has given you is a technique to clean your own self. My disciples have to be physically with me (in my presence). Maharishi has given you a technique to cleanse and purify yourselves and it is not just for yourselves, it is a technique to cleanse the whole world (collective consciousness). Your path (TM and TM Sidhis etc) may be somewhat lonely, because you are doing the work (evolution) yourselves and you are self sufficient. You are responsible for your own path whereas my followers come to me and I do the work for them. I am full of admiration for anyone on your path. It is a path of great responsibility. What I am doing is personally taking care of a small group of people, but what Maharishi is doing is giving the world a path to move to a new level, a higher level. I have full admiration for Maharishi and for each of you. Some of you may never see your Master but this does not matter because he has given you the Supreme Gift, which is self sufficiency. It takes strength and determination to pursue this path on a daily basis. But you have the path of Self Sufficiency and it saves you and others also. It affects the whole world." Muktananda was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
@steve.sundur We agree on many points, but not on everything. In the TM movement, I learned that we shouldn’t doubt our experiences. In retrospect, I think that I and some other TMers who had kundalini-type crises would have benefited from doubting our experiences. I think it would have been nice to know that over-whelming spiritual experiences may not be what they seem. For more on kundalini crises https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini. As another TM teacher framed it, “I saw God and all Hell broke loose.”
[FairfieldLife] The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
Suzanne Segal spent much of her adult life trying to figure out if she was enlightened or not. At one time, Suzanne Segal was a teacher of Transcendental Meditation. My wife knew Suzanne when she was a TM teacher and was envious of her charisma and competence. In childhood, Suzanne had moments of psychological detachment and “vastness” which would scare her. Suzanne experienced an emotional trauma on her TM-Sidhis course when she received a letter from her fiancé that called off their engagement and informed her that he was going to go on the Purusha course. Purusha is the celibate monk-like program of the TM organization. After she learned the TM-Sidhis, she asked Maharishi Mahesh Yogi why when transcending she sometimes experienced great fear as if she was going to die. Maharishi laughed and told her not to worry and to just let go. Unhappy with her experiences and with the direction of the TM movement, Suzanne soon fled from the TM organization, from TM knowledge, and from the practice of TM and the TM-Sidhis. In 1982 while getting onto a bus in Paris she had a major shift in awareness and lost her sense of self. Since she understood the witnessing experience of Cosmic Consciousness as described by Maharishi, she sometimes described her experience as witnessing. However, at first, she was having a hellish, fearful experience so she couldn’t reconcile her experience with Cosmic Consciousness. At the urging of her brother, Suzanne met with another TM teacher who had announced his own enlightenment but was actually having his own mental health crisis. The blind leading the blind is an apt statement. The “enlightened” TM teacher at first sensed a high state of consciousness in Suzanne and thought he could help her. Weeks later their relationship ended when he stated that she was evil because she was Jewish. As time passed, Suzanne was able to function with seeming normalcy although she still did not have a sense of self. She completed a Ph.D. in Psychology in 1991 and continued to research her own condition. Suzanne consulted with various psychologists and psychiatrists over the years. Though she was told by one that she had Depersonalization Disorder, she did not think it was a perfect fit because she was able to function normally in everyday life despite the loss of her individual self. She also consulted with Buddhist teachers in California. Buddhism cultivates loss of ego, and some Buddhist teachers congratulated her on attaining moksha. About 1994 Suzanne experienced another shift in consciousness in which there was a sense of unity between herself and the world. In 1995, Suzanne’s story spread. She was reluctant to act as a spiritual teacher, but she agreed to meet with friends of her book editor. Within a few months of subsequent gatherings, several hundred people were attending meetings to hear her story and to ask her questions. Suzanne’s autobiography, Collision with the Infinite, came out in 1996. She began training therapists and continued weekly gatherings for dialogues with spiritual enthusiasts. In late spring 1996, she began having intense experiences of vastness which disrupted her life and exhausted her. In fall 1996, Suzanne recovered experiences of childhood abuse and was going through counseling treatment. In early 1997, Suzanne’s mental faculties quickly deteriorated. Doctors discovered a malignant brain tumor which they removed. Suzanne refused further treatment and died on April 1, 1997 at 42 years old. Wikipedia has a good summary of Suzanne’s amazing life at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Segal. The above paragraphs are excerpted from one of my blog posts. To read my conclusion on Suzanne’s enlightenment, go to https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/the-amazing-story-of-suzanne-segal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
@UltraRishi Thanks for your post. Congratulations on your navigation through kriyas and kundalini! Kriyas are what TM teachers used to call “movements in meditation”. Surprisingly, TMers, other Eastern spiritual movements, and even Christian Charismatics have kriyas. There is a hilarious YouTube video put to a Jerry Lee Lewis tune that shows the gyrations/kriyas of Charismatic Christians. The video is entitled “Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On! Holy Roller Style!” and is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVHpm49tOU. >From my book describing kriyas during instruction in the TM-Sidhi on >levitation: “Some participants had rather violent head movements, the torsos >of some shook like dogs throwing off water from a bath, others had their backs >locked in an arch, and others had spontaneous vocalizations of screams, barks, >and nonsense syllables.”
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gopi Krishna's Kundalini experience
I want to start this post by stating that I am not an expert on all-things-yoga. And I am pretty thin on info about Gopi Krishna, but I would like to use a Gopi quote to illustrate that a kundalini crisis is overwhelming. The bold print is my emphasis. Gopi Krishna wrote this in Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man: “The awakening may be gradual or sudden, varying in intensity and effect according to the development, constitution, and temperament of different individuals; but in most cases it results in a greater instability of the emotional nature and a greater liability to aberrant mental conditions in the subject, mainly owing to tainted heredity, faulty modes of conduct, or immoderation in any shape or form. Leaving out the extreme cases, which end in madness, this generalization applies to all the categories of men in whom Kundalini is congenitally more or less active, comprising mystics, mediums, men of genius, and those of an exceptionally high intellectual or artistic development only a shade removed from genius. In the case of those in whom the awakening occurs all at once as the result of Yoga or other spiritual practices, the sudden impact of powerful vital currents on the brain and other organs is often attended with grave risk and strange mental conditions, varying from moment to moment, exhibiting in the beginning the abnormal peculiarities of a medium, mystic, genius, and madman all rolled into one.” A free PDF of Gopi Krishna’s book is at http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/downloads/kundalini-the-evolutionary-energy-in-man_gopi-krishna_(89pg).pdf What do people expect when they are enlightened? Do you think that gurus say that enlightenment is overwhelming or is it just another normal day at the office? Charlie Lutes said that heaven fell in on him. There are a few TM teachers who had some overwhelming times of ecstasy and overwhelming times of “not fun”.
Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
To me, a kundalini crisis is an overwhelming mind-body experience caused by spiritual practices. Many spiritual movements speak of the kundalini energy center and its role in enlightenment. It is a fairly common conception that a huge burst of energy from the kundalini center can create an overwhelming experience akin to mania. I don’t think I ever heard Maharishi speak of kundalini, but I had conversations with other TM teachers about kundalini over the years. Here is a link to a transcript of Maharishi speaking about kundalini in 1968 http://institutespiritualsciences.org/blog_mmy/mmykundalini.php Here is an excerpt from my book: The most scientific description of kundalini crises that I have found is in the 1992 book, The Kundalini Experience by Lee Sannella, M.D. Sannella interviewed people who had come through kundalini crises. He came up with 4 categories of experience: motor, sensory, non-physiological, and interpretive. As motor phenomena, Sannella listed kriyas and unusual breathing patterns. Under sensory phenomena, he listed tickling sensations, heat and cold sensations, inner light, inner sounds, and pain in the eyes, head, spine, or elsewhere. Under non-physiological phenomena, Sannella listed out-of-body experiences and psychic perceptions. As interpretive phenomena, Sannella listed both positive and negative feelings that could be experienced with much greater intensity than usual such as ecstasy, love, cosmic harmony, fear and confusion. He stated that the thinking process could be speeded up or inhibited. The mental experience could be detachment, hysteria, a state akin to schizophrenia, or the delusion of having been divinely chosen. Here are my symptoms which match Sannella’s descriptions: ● When my kundalini crisis began, I had tingling all over my body. It felt like a continuous, small electric shock sensation which was pleasant and exciting. ● I had extreme feelings of joy and thankfulness that seemed to be related to my thoughts that I was enlightened. When I had delusions about achieving even higher states of consciousness, I would subsequently be so ecstatic and so thankful that I would start to cry. ● All of my feelings were experienced with greater intensity than usual. When I spoke, I spoke like a fire-brand preacher. My voice almost became raspy as if I had been yelling at a sporting event. ● I thought I had earned a special relationship with God and nature. From: Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis? Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these things well. Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for starting. For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have: a.. an open mind b.. a reasonable mind c.. a discriminating mind d.. a dispassionate mind e.. a disciplined, observant mind f.. a sense of self duty g.. forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal h.. a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical i.. a temperament for overcoming obstacles j.. a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty. I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and propensities that then go off the rails when they start having unusual experiences, or begin to experience heavy unstressing. TM, while it talks of unstressing, it does not really prepare people for how intense it can be, and you need to have mental tools to handle what comes up. I do not think most people really realize how screwed up they are before they start to meditate, especially if they get it in their bonnet that they are now on the fast track to enlightenment, they then presume too much about their progress. A lot of meditators are still just close to being qualified by the criteria above after meditating for half a century. That TM is easy to practice is deceptive in the sense that it alone cannot prepare one for some very strange experiences. That ease of practice does allow a lot of people to be taught, but a lot of concerns that can come up get swept under the rug, and TM teachers are not trained to deal with this. TM as a whole package is not customized enough to do this. If you are fortunate you get through relatively unscathed, but if not I guess they end up like you! From: "'My Enlightenment Del
[FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
I just finished writing a book entitled, My Enlightenment Delusion: experiences and musings of a former Transcendental Meditation teacher. It is available at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XS55JKC/ for $2.99. The first 3 chapters can be viewed on Amazon by clicking on “Look inside”. A large part of the book is about my kundalini crisis and also contains my conjecture about kundalini crises. I recount some humorous ups and downs in my life as a TM teacher. I explain why the similarities between grandiose delusions, psychotic mania, and kundalini crises are more than a coincidence. --Matt Landing