[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Rory Martin Bormann?
-- Mainstay of the Wehrmacht: http://www.military-collections.com/weapons.html - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: I am not prepared to say that I *was* Herman Goering, or anyone else for that matter, although I am prepared to say Herman Goering *is* a part of me, as is everything and everyone else *Spin* Rory: This feels indescribable because it's a priori, but utterly loving- radiant-ecstatic if I choose to externalize and put my attention on it; thanks for asking :-) *Meister* *lurk*
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition
---There's some evidence that a proto-Vedic civilization extended way beyond India, into what is now Afghanistan, Iran, and as far west as Egypt; as well into areas East of India. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: This all falls into Utopian thinking, by definition, an impossibility. As does, in my opinion, all of the talk about the golden Vedic Age. There is no historical evidence that such an age ever existed. IMO It's just backwards fantasy in the same way that ages of enlightenment are forward fantasies. And the fantasies of Vaj are constantly onedimensional.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding Jim Flanegin's Comment on Free Will
--Bronte, I agree with you on this; but to add a few points, nobody is disputing that the Absolute Perfect; but some readily obtainable conclusion regarding the strictly relative aspect of Brahman may not be forthcoming soon, if at all. First, one would have to define perfect, but I've heard that story before: it's a typical example of Maharishi-speak. But this topic has been covered a number of times before you got here, for example, a qualifier would be ... a. Everything's perfect, including the desire to make things better. Here, we could run into a genuine paradox; but we're dealing with karma and Dharma, areas which are innately unfathomable. Therefore, even Sages may fall short of expertise on the topic of what's perfect and what's not in relative existence. By no means should audiences accept verdicts on topics in any area of relative existence as the Gospel Truth, if coming even from a great Sage. MMY's Enlightened Spiritual state, for example, certainly doesn't qualify him to be an expert in economics, or even philosophy, or quantum physics. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flanegin wrote: Yep, from the standpoint of dualistic, relative life, multiple problems are seen, and must be solved, as they should be, living a dynamic and responsible life. From the non dual experience of Being though, even the change is seen and embraced as perfect. The union of the one with the many is a profound paradox that is naturally accepted and lived when self realization becomes permanent, and not until. Unity and diversity become indistiguishable from one another. When those who comment on such things write that everything is perfect, the only way a mind embracing duality can comprehend such a statement is in terms of inertia (keep everything as it is, relative to a specific moment), or rationalization (it happened, therefore it is perfect, even though I know damned well it isn't), neither of which is the intended perspective. :-) Bronte writes: Jim, with all due respect, what this sounds like is You can't possibly know the truth because you aren't on my level. Not that you are the first to pull that punch. It's a typical end-of-argument comment that gurus are renowned for. Translation: Don't question what we say. Don't question the view of the ultimate reality we are handing you. We are at the top of the mountain, and you aren't. You speak from the perspective of delusion. Your position has no merit in terms of ultimate truth, because you are obviously way too unevolved to comment on the subject. And why do you assume I am too unevolved? Simply because I don't agree with your pespective. Your argument is vicious circle, kept alive by your assumption of superior knowledge and experience. I am not going to try to weight my argument by startung a one-up-you game with you comparing the profundity of our spiritual experiences. I will just say this: the vision I have of reality is based not just on reason and relative experience, but very much on spiritual experience -- my own, and that of many people who don't share the assumptions of the Indian tradition. It IS possible to experience nonduality, the union of all life, in great and blissful clarity and in the same sublime moment perceive clearly that the universe is a play in progress, with unsuccessful scenes that have to be rewritten, similar to the analogy of the cake baker in my earlier email to Judy on this subject. So whose cosmic reality is right: yours or ours? I don't believe we can decide that by trying to determine which group of seers is more evolved. Because expectation and teachings we've studied and accepted very much color our experience of higher states. Instead, we need to rely on reason, on objective analysis, on consideration of all relevant data from experience, both the relative and the nondual kind. The four blind men have to maintain open minds and respect each other's experience in order to arrive at total truth about the elephant. What happens when one says, Guy, your description of this animal is just not holistic like mine is. When you get my superior level of perception, you'll experience the animal the way I do. Not too conducive to productive dialog, that attitude, is it? Some folks on this forum have challenged my viewpoints on the grounds that thousands of years of Indian tradition teach otherwise. I say, does thousands of years of history make something right? People have killed one another and eaten meat for thousands of years. Does the length of time make THOSE things right? I would suggest that if after thousands of the years the world is still the kind of place it is, perhaps that suggests the philosophy of the ages NEEDS to be re [-examined: without bias and traditional assumptions ... with questioning minds and with open hearts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true
---Offworld, your premises simply don't lead to the conclusion Life is Bliss. So, you're saying one can conclude this from logic alone? Preposterous! There's no more weight to that conclusion from the shoddy premises you have presented that the conclusion Life is a bummer, then you die...which many intelligent logicians believe. Logic alone will not lead one to your conclusion, otherwise Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle would have arrived at that. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---Off_world, your arguments amount to a tautology: Thankyou. (you seem to be under the delusion that a tautology is a bad thing in logic. It is actually the highest goal of logic. You're understanding of tautology needs some serious attention and time spent studying it. Come back when you have studied it for 3 weeks minimum, full time.) Life is Bliss because it's Bliss. Huh? First you said at home and then changed to Entirely comfortable; but that's the problem! No I am not. You are under the delusion that words are pure and perfect. Wrong. Every word or phrase has within it multiple layers of INHERENT meaning. Anyone watching this thread with a scintillating intellect embedded in their jyotish chart, is baffled by your lack of ability to see the inherent meaning I gave, which is not contradictory to the more succinct meaning I gave. You're changing the definitions to suit your purpose and wind up with a self- evident truth, You just don't have the experience in logic to see its obvious logic. a tautology, Yes. Thanks again. Tautology is the highest, most prized structure of logic. I used to teach this stuff. since Bliss isn't that much of a stretch from entirely comfortable. However, where in the world do you get the premise, entirely comfortable, Bliss is entirely comfortable, as those who have experienced it know. Total comfort is entirely blissful, as those who can appreciate it to the fullest know. where are those people, on the Pleides planets?cuz I sure don't see them on this planet! Yes, this planet is in ignorance and self-delusion...as the masters have stated time and time again. WAKE UP ! ! ! The truth is out thereand it is bliss. OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrating the rising sunshine ,of Global Raam Raj, 28 August 2007
--Right, (statements below) about as true as saying that a. The Mormon Presidents have had a direct pipeline to God b. therefore, whatever Brigham Young did was perfectly attuned to God's will. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: snip Kind of like the whole paradigm of enlightenment; I don't know how it works, but it just does.:-) I believe you're dead wrong on this, Jim. The people you mention who may be living Brahman etc. There is no may be about it.:-) are doing it based on the TM techniques, NOT on whatever he [Maharishi] is doing. You're conflating Maharishi's behavior with the techniques, and in the process you're complicit in accepting whatever he is doing. One hundred percent! Jai Guru Dev!:-) It's very disturbing to me to see so many TMers not only make excuses for Maharishi's behavior and not notice or care about it, but worse, implicitly promote the idea that spiritual integrity doesn't matter and isn't a part of the outcome of TM. I don't know what else to say other than Brahman *is* spiritual integrity, and Maharishi has, and many others have, attained Brahman by following him.:-) You're fooling yourself ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
---But I am judging Clint Eastwood. That movie with Hillary Swank as a boxer who had a severe concussion in a match;...well, some people were raving about it but I couldn't stand it. Who wants to see Hillary Swank, brain dead? MMY and all of his disciples are only tiny blips in Spiritual history. The true giants have yet to appear: those who also are able to transform all relative aspects of life and create a genuine Heaven on Earth. I am reminded of some passages of Isaiah; swords transformed into plowshares, that kind of stuff: no crime, disease, poverty, etc. We haven't even started yet!. Where's the real beef? Besides, MMY botched the whole mission of Guru Dev. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Below: Robert says we don't get Enlightened in order to perform magic tricks. First, true Siddhis are not tricks, by definition. Second, my POV is different. The whole point of Enlightenment is to reach a platform where (having captured the fort); one is in a position to evolve further in the relative and to acquire genuine Siddhis. Then, make use of the Siddhis for the benefit of mankind. Dear Mr.hyperbolicgeometry; I see you are still questioning my wisdom and writing ability; That's fine. But my point is still not taken. It is quite true, that siddhi are quite natural to life in enlightenment... And not much attention is called to them, when they happen,. Just like 'A Course In Miracles', says: Miracles are natural to life. But that is life without the ego; In enlightenment, you are one with the 'force', the 'flow'. So, there are all kinds of things possible, in the Quatum Mechanical state, that are not concievable, let alone possible in the Newtonian state. So, therefore, I am not at issue with you concerning the possibilities of siddhis beyond the magic trick variety... But, I would say, that to judge the value of Clint Eastwood's work, for example, and to not even know what happens in his life, on a daily basis, is profoundly stupid. Jesus' formula for enlightenment= no judgement unconditional love, creates all miracles, worth being called miracles. robert gimbel august, 2007
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Awakening in Israel
...featured on CNN this morning, 7-25, numerous Israelis flocking to India in search of Spiritual Awakenings. The story featured the often-seen still photo of the Beatles with MMY - as if to imply that a similar type of Renaissance is occurring. Of course, there are major differences overlooked by the writer, but we'll overlook those for now. Also featured were: tourists in front of a Rishikesh Temple, a Rabbi tour guide overlooking the milking of a cow to put his Kosher stamp of approval on the milk, a young Israeli woman in a bake shop trying her hand at rolling some dough. Also, some Israeli's in the presence of some Temple Pundits. The conclusion was that the tourists came back to Israel in some ways enriched Spiritually, (without leaving their own Jewish roots). Seems like a fine prospect to me, but if one wanted to enforce an extreme code of Conservatism on such persons; I supposed that one could zero on the things that separate Hindus from Jews, rather than unifying themes. Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert), called himself a Hindjoo. Funny. Now for a quiz: 1. As evidence of her new found Spirituality, Paris Hilton was seen with which two books? Ans: The Bible, and Eckart Tolle's The Power of Now. 2. In the latest Harry Potter film, through what Power did Harry and his group appeal to in order to thwart the intentions of the evildoers? Multiple choice: 1. Magic, 2. Meditation 3. Courage 4. Jesus 5. Comradeship, 6. The Buddha. Ans: Love 3. Concerning the disappearance of Natalie Holloway in Aruba, there are 3 persons of interest, including the Kalpoe brothers. The Mother of the Kalpoe brothers is a devotee of whom:? a. Jesus, b. Buddha, c. Shiva d. Lalita e. Shiva and Lalita Ans. Shiva and Lalita that's it for now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's the work a form of moodmaking?
---Nope I disagree. The questions below are legitimate, of interest, and potentially of value; but obviously not to Neo-Advaitins who believe that nothing exists anyway. As for Buddhists, Sakyamuni Buddha stated that there's not enough time to investigate natural laws and also do one's Spiritual Sadhana. I disagree with that also, since due to MMY's brilliant innovations, doing all-day Sadhanas (as possibly some Monks in various traditions) is the real waste of time. Best to do TM and then do something productive like stroll around the mall and then see Transformers. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that what new.morning was getting at is whether you or anyone who considers themselves enlightened are willing to do the work on your assumption that you're enlightened. Basically, as I understand it, one does the work on oneself in areas in which one feels pain or suffering, as these are signs of incorrect thinking or thinking not in alignment with nature; there is no need to examine ideas that don't hurt :-) Nothing in stone says that the work can't be used in other ways. I don't have an understanding of any limits placed on the Work. Ron's recent post added to questions for interesting inquiries to use the Work for? Answers to the following questions seem to me to be fair game for the Work -- and useful: Who am I? Is the world real? Do i accurately precieve and cognize what is out there? Does God exist? Is TM a great thing / a not good thing? Am I useful for others? Do I make judgements, and pre-judgments that are not necessary? Where dos the sky end? What was there before the universe was created -- the big bang? Is global warming a large threat? Should everyone drive a hybrid? Is Tarantino a good director / writer? Do bears shite in the woods? Is April really the cruelest month? Is the sky really blue? Are the colors I see really the colors of the things I see? Is there life after death? Is fear real or useful? Who is Jesus? Who is SBS? Is Peter judgemental? Is Bush corrupt? Did the govt blow up the twin towers? Should capital gains tax be eliminated? Are apples the best PC's? Should the work only be done on areas in which one feels pain or suffering? Can one delude themselves about a state of being, a state of consciousness, an altered state of consciousness, perceptions, cognitive functions? Does God love me? Is Alison Krauss the best singer in the universe? Of course, you might suggest that these are all areas in which I feel pain or suffering. No; much like Jim, I'd suggest these are essentially a waste of time *unless* they're areas you're personally feeling particular pain and suffering in. I would (if asked) further suggest working first on the areas in which I feel the *most* suffering, in this moment, if any :-) I would work on: How would Rory know what I feel and think inside? Do I care if Rory is mistaken? Whatever floats your boat :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Masque of the Red Death
---Truthfulness, yes, but not truthiness (what one would want to be true). Some would want to believe people don't transcend while doing TM, or a result of TM; or that MMY can't be in Unity, etc;...these false conceptions are untrue versions of delusional truthiness. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory writes snipped big time: As for the rest, I'll just reiterate that I am not saying you guys are damaged -- just that you and Vaj (Curtis less so) seem self- condemned to repeat yourselves over and over, making broad, sweeping (and easily disputed) statements without ever getting to your personal integrity, to your undisputable personal experience, and to the core of your discontent, where IME great treasure lies. Tom T: Patanjali Chapter 2 verse 30 something When the person is established in Personal Integrity all actions achieve the desired result. Followed immediately by When the person is established in truthfulness all riches flow. Tom T
[FairfieldLife] Judy asks a hard question ( was: Re: What Does The self Fear Most?)
---That's why Brahman is a paradox. Can't be fit into either - or. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Judy: First you say the Absolute can be found only by the mind ceasing to exist; then you say when the mind ceases to exist at the end of the mantra trail, there can be no finding of the Absolute. Huh?? Edg: Let the poetry begin. Shotgun time. Hopefully a pellet or two will hit the target. Nope, sorry, not this target. Can the Absolute be found only by the mind ceasing to exist? Or can there be no finding of the Absolute when the mind ceases to exist? (See quote above.) snip Judy: Let me ask you something, though. Where do you (if you do) fit Brahman into your scheme? Edg: I hold that the word Brahman is best used as a synonym for the Absolute. Here's Nagarjuna's Four Negations: Brahman is not the relative. Brahman is not the Absolute. Brahman is not the relative and the Absolute. Brahman is not neither the relative nor the Absolute. Each of these negations was the conclusion of a rigorous logical process, each responding to a question: Is Brahman the relative? Is Brahman the Absolute? Is Brahman the relative and the Absolute? Is Brahman neither the relative nor the Absolute? That's the Advaita take on Brahman, in other words--no matter what you say about It, you're wrong. From what I can painfully glean from your exchanges with Barry, and your response just now, you think Brahman is the Absolute, and Barry thinks Brahman is both Absolute and relative.
[FairfieldLife] Visualizing the E8 root system
New mathematical discovery, the E8 Lie group. Has more data than the human genome. Here's an image of it.: (makes a great mathematical mandala). http://aimath.org/E8/mcmullen.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Killing time: tat savituH
--I recommend actually chanting the Gayatri mantra, also. Try it for
one month.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Rgveda III 62 10:
tat savitur vareNiaM bhargo devasya dhiimahi
(perhaps a more natural word order:
tad devasya savitur vareNiaM bhargo dhiimahi)
pada-paaTha (word-reading):
tat; savituH; vareNyam; bhargaH; devasya; dhiimahi
Griffith's translation:
10 May we attain that excellent glory of Savitar[?] the God:
Glossary:
savitR [nom. sing: savitaa; gen. sing: savituH - card] m. a
stimulator , rouser , vivifier (applied to Tvasht2r2i) RV. iii ,
55 , 19 ; x , 10 , 5 ; N. of a sun-deity (accord. to Naigh.
belonging to the atmosphere as well as to heaven ; and sometimes in
the Veda identified with , at other times distinguishead from
Su1rya , ` the Sun ' , being conceived of and personified as the
divine influence and vivifying power of the sun , while Su1rya is
the more concrete conception ; accord. to Sa1y. the sun before
rising is called Savitr2i , and after rising till its setting
Su1rya ; eleven whole hymns of the RV. and parts of others [e.g.
i ,
35 ; ii , 38 ; iii , 62 , 10-12 c.] are devoted to the praise of
Savitir2i ; he has golden hands , arms , hair c. ; he is also
reckoned among the A1dityas [q.v.] , and is even worshipped as `
of
all creatures ' , supporting the world and delivering his votaries
from sin ; the celebrated verse RV. iii , 62 , 10 , called %
{gAyatrI} and %{sAvitrI} [qq.vv.] is addressed to him) RV. c.
c. ;
the orb of the sun (in its ordinary form) or its god (his wife is
Pr2is3ni) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; N. of one of the 28 Vya1sas VP. ; of
S3iva or Indra L. ; Calotrcpis Gigantea L. ; (%{-trI}) f. see
below.
vareNya mfn. to be wished for , desirable , excellent , best among
(gen.) RV. c. c. ; m. a partic. class of deceased ancestors
Ma1rkP. ; N. of a son of Bhr2igu MBh. ; (%{A}) f. N. of S3iva's
wife
L. ; n. supreme bliss VP. ; saffron L.
bhargas n. radiance , lustre , splendour , glory RV. Br. Gr2S3rS.
Up. [cf. Gk. $ ; Lat. {fulgur}] ; N. of a 227455[748 ,2] Brahma1
L. ; of a Sa1man La1t2y.
[I guess most of the conjugational forms below are
mighty rare...]
dhA 1 cl. 3. P. A1. %{da4dhAti} , %{dhatte4} RV. c. c. (P. du. %
dadhva4s} , %{dhattha4s} , %{dhatta4s} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38] ; pl. %
{dadhma4si} or %{-ma4s} , %{dhattha4} , %{dAdhati} ; impf. %
{a4dadhAt} pl. %{-dhur} , 2. pl. %{a4dhatta} or %{a4dadhAta} RV.
vii , 33 , 4 ; Subj. %{da4dhat} or %{-dhAt} [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 70
Ka1s3.] , %{-dhas} , %{-dhatas} , %{-dhan} ; Pot. %{dadhyA4t} ;
Impv. %{dAdhAtu} pl. %{-dhatu} ; 2. sg. %{dhehi4} [fr. %{dhaddhi} ;
cf. Pa1n2. 6-4 , 119] or %{dhattAt} RV. iii , 8 , 1 ; 2. pl. %
{dhatta4} , i , 64 , 15 , %{dhattana} , i , 20 , 7 , %{da4dhAta} ,
vii , 32 , 13 , or %{-tana} , x , 36 , 13 [cf. Pa1n2. 7-1 , 45
Sch.] ; p. %{da4dhat} , %{-ti} m. pl. %{-tas} ; A1. 1. sg. %
{dadhe4}
[at once 3. sg. = %{dhatte4} RV. i , 149 , 5 c. and= pf.A1.] , 2.
sg. %{dha4tse} , viii , 85 , 5 or %{dhatse4} AV. v , 7 , 2 ; 2. 3.
du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} ; 2. pl. %{-dhidhve4} [cf. pf.] ; 3.
pl. %{da4dhate} RV. v , 41 , 2 ; impf. %{a4dhatta} , %{-tthAs} ;
Subj. %{da4dhase} , viii , 32 , 6 [Pa1n2. 3-4 , 96 Ka1s3.] ; Pot. %
{da4dhIta} RV. i , 40 , 2 or %{dadhIta4} , v , 66 , 1 ; Impv. 2.
sg.
%{dhatsva} , x , 87 , 2 or %{dadhiSva} , iii , 40 , 5 c. ; 2. pl. %
{dhaddhvam} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38 Ka1s3.] or %{dadhidhvam} RV. vii ,
34 ,
10 , c. ; 3. pl. %{dadhatAm} AV. viii , 8 , 3 ; p. %{da4dhAna}) ;
rarely cl. 1. P. A1. %{dadhati} , %{-te} RV. MBh. ; only thrice cl.
2. P. %{dhA4ti} RV. ; and once cl. 4. A1. Pot. %{dhAyeta} MaitrUp.
(pf.P. %{dadhau4} , %{-dhA4tha} , %{-dhatur} , %{-dhimA84} , %{-
dhur} RV. c. ; A1. %{dadhe4} [cf. pr.] , %{dadhiSe4} or %{dhiSe}
RV. i , 56 , 6 ; 2. 3. du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} , 2. pl. %
{dadhidhve4} [cf. pr.] ; 3. pl. %{dadhire4} , %{dadhre} , x , 82 ,
5 ; 6 , or %{dhire} , i , 166 , 10 c. ; p. %{da4dhAna} [cf. pr.] ;
aor. P. %{a4dhAt} , %{dhA4t} , %{dhA4s} ; %{adhu4r} , %{dhu4r} RV.
c. ; Pot. %{dheyAm} , %{-yur} ; %{dhetana} RV. TBr. ; 2. sg. %
{dhAyIs} RV. i , 147 , 5 ; Impv. %{dhA4tu} [cf. Pa1n2. 6-i , 8
Va1rtt. 3 Pat.] ; 2. pl. %{dhA4ta} or %{-tana} , 3. pl. %{dhAntu}
RV. ; A1. %{adhita} , %{-thAs} , %{adhItAm} , %{adhImahi} ,
%***{dhImahi}*** , %{dhimahe} , %{dhAmahe} RV. ; 3. sg. %{ahita} ,
%
{hita} AV. TA1r. ; Subj. %{dhe4the} RV. i , 158 , 2 , %{dhaithe} ,
vi , 67 , 7 ; Impv. %{dhiSvA84} , ii , 11 , 18 , c. ; P. %{adhat}
SV. ; %{dhat} RV. ; P. %{dhAsur} Subj. %{-sathas} and %{-satha}
RV. ; A1. %{adhiSi} , %{-Sata} Br. ; Pot. %{dhiSIya} ib. [P. vii ,
4 , 45] ; %{dheSIya} MaitrS. ; fut. %{dhAsyati} , %{-te} or %
{dhAtA}
Br. c. ; inf. %{dhA4tum} Br. c. ; Ved. also %{-tave} , %{-
tavai4} , %{-tos} ; %{dhiya4dhyai} RV. ; Class. also %{-dhitum} ;
ind. P. %{dhitvA4} Br. ; %{hitvA}
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together?
---Sounds good to me!...(but it's apparently a trial and error process); and the learning curves of Gurus (and everybody else); take differing pathways. A few errors here and there are inevitable...some, more than others. A few, a lot more. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To become enlightened one needs merit and wisdom. It's hard to develop either without the other, especially in a short life so one needs the ideal auspicious interdependence, which necessitates especially good karma and the openness to appreciate the value of good timing to utilize a skillful fulcrum. People too selfish and into their own shortsighted goals lose the value of the field of the base of life, and like a wave come crashing back. To be leveraged from samsara one needs to identify totally with it without remainder, and use it to leverage itself from itself thus separating into the triad of rishi, devata, and chandas. The rishi is developed in the brain through ultimate and final internal conflict, obtained through interdependence as based upon merit and wisdom. Someone ultimately wise could leverage the entire world without anyone else even knowing. -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:34 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Or is there a direct, provable and causal link between being 'good' and attaining enlightenment? I don't think there is any connection between the two, at all. Good question! It's all about Harmony, between YOU and God (or the laws of nature). The more you are in harmony with the laws of nature the more quickly Dharma will propell you to God. It's like being in the main current of a river as opposed to being caught up in an eddy. When we meditate we achieve (eventually) complete surrender to the laws of nature which effortlessly sweep us up to Anandam (as MMY puts it). All of nature is flowing naturally to re-union with that from which it came, being good promotes that, as it is in harmony with the laws of nature. Ego and attachment holds us back.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: When More Is Not Enough
---Is it dangerous to use the suppository version at the same time as using Viagra? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.havidol.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Free; 'TM, gods siddhis'
-- Stoop not down, therefore, Unto the Darkly-Splendid World. Wherein continually lieth A faithless Depth And Hades wrapped in clouds, Delighting in unintelligible Images. Precipitous, winding, A Black, ever-rolling Abyss Ever espousing a Body Unluminous, Formless, and Void. ...The Chaldean Oracles of Zoraster. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice one Spraig, that was cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 1:39 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Show of hands. Is there anyone here -- *anyone* -- who, after a year and a half, doesn't believe that Judy came to FFL stalking Vaj, Paul and myself? As I recall, Barry, Judy originally came over here (and possibly Shemp as well) because you invited her. That's correct. (I had been registered as a member of FFL for a couple of years previously, but I just came here to see what was going on occasionally and had never posted.) Barry issued his invitation shortly after the whole Raja thing and the millionaires' course had materialized, and I thought it would be interesting to see how folks were reacting. I for one am happy to see you, and Barry and Paul and Vaj (believe it or not) here, and Peter, Barry2, nabluso108, Rick, Llundrub,Tom, peterklutz, R Gimbel, spairaig, and everyone else on here. The thing that binds all of us is a deep commitment to spiritual discovery and integration. We are all Masters here in one way or another. And each of us having our own points of view, as we necessarily do after the aggregate centuries of spiritual pracice evident on FFL (no dabblers here!). We challenge one another and ourselves, sometimes mercilessly, and then the dialogue mutates and evolves into something completely different. I wouldn't have it any other way. This place is a special gift for us to discuss and argue and complement one another on topics that are just about unique with regard to the depth and openess with which they are discussed. And it is both our differences and shared interests and experiences that make it such a compelling forum. Thank you everyone and God (or fill in with diety of choice) bless you All! I'm minded of Zelazny's Possibly Proper Litany and other prayers: The Possibly Proper Death Litany Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen. Then into the hands of Whatever May Be that is greater than life or death, I resign myself -- if this act will be of any assistance in preserving my life. If it will not, I do not. If my saying this thing at all be presumptuous, and therefore not well received by Whatever may or may not care to listen, then I withdraw the statement and ask forgiveness, if this thing be desired. If not, I do not. On the other hand ... (at this point, Madrak is interrupted, as his companion feels the accomplishment of the objective of Madrak's prayer -- and the preservation of his own life -- will be better served by getting the hell out of there). Hallowed be thy name, if a name thou hast and any desire to see it hallowed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig
--Thanks (not you...) but a number of Neo-Advaitins claim to have a lock on how E'd people should act; for example, one says they dont/can't predict the future. If that were true, they would have to quit their jobs if reliance on predicting the future were paramount: say...being a stock broker. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: ---only an ego would have a need for a hierarchy ...not exactly true; since E'd people sometimes work like everybody else, some of those jobs require attention to hierarchy. Say one is a chicken- sexer before E, and afterwards too (since being Self-Realized doesn't automatically demand that one quit a job). The job of chicken sexing (determining the sex of chicks), is a hierarchal matter, requiring a highly skilled expertise in the field. This is not born of ego. It's just a skill, and hierarchies are part of skills. I wasn't using the association with ego in a negative way, only to say that hierarchies are relative. When *would* bieng Self realized demand that one wuit a job? I haven't heard of that before...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig
---Re: What is existence? Flanagan: I exist That doesn't answer the question. Nor did DeCartes give a cogent statement when he said I think therefore I am. Donkeys exist too, as well as rocks; but the I in I exist supplies us only with a pronoun, not any information in regard to existence in itself. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: --Your question...what's the future Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker. The answer to this question can be found in various philosophical texts widely available, some written by physicists. But why not stop there? What is existence??? I exist. What is the future?
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Re: [TMTrue] My first post: Please help me, I'm so confused
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes John-boy, I read the website and yes indeedee, it is all true. :-) The only truth that's been hidden is the truth about TM, the TMSP and the TMO in general. And this has caused suffering to countless human beings. And please remember, if you're near a TMO Peace Palace or facility and you see a pundit, give them a nice hug and tell them that you support Universal Tolerance. If you eat meat, make sure you tell them that *last*. ;-) On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:37 PM, John M. Knapp wrote: Hi, I just joined this list this week. I learned TM in 1972, and although I meditate regularly I haven't had much contact with the TM Movement in years. That's one of the reasons I signed up for this list after I started hearing about David Lynch. I wanted to see learn what's new with the Movement. But I received a very disturbing e-mail this morning from a friend. He stumbled on a blog, http://tmfree.blogspot.com. It's filled with very weird and upsetting stories about TM and Maharishi. Is any of this stuff true? --- End forwarded message ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you Know
---Hi Mark - Gary A. from L.A. .. Yes, I still use Scientology techniques, but not from the Dianetics book. Hubbard wrote another, lesser known, but more valuable book, in which he discusses mock-ups. I use such mock-ups on a daily basis, along with the chanting of mantras. Helps at work. You may recall that discussion we had on Scientology, after walking back from the Hare Krishna Temple in 1974. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone here know anyone who went from the practise of Scientolgy into TM and if so what were the results and reasons? Mark
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where do you go when you die?
---Thanks, yes; the two identities are conceptual. One can talk about The Self, meaning or referring to one of the two aspects of Brahman that MMY refers to; the other identity being relative existence in itself. Of course, as MMY points out, the two are One; but we can TALK about pure Consciousness In Itself as did Aristotle; without even bringing up relative considerations, such as: By way of a question, if you are meditating, is it OK to have rats nibble on your toes and live in freezing temperatures, OR, would you rather live in a relative paradise. Relative matters such as good health, clean environment, etc; are matters of importance among the 200 percent Gurus, but of no special importance among the 100 percenters. The latter believe that through Enlightenment, one can ultimately be TAKEN AWAY from suffering, i.e. separated out; whereas the 200 percenters wish to become Enlightened AND at the same time live in a relative Paradise. Also, the 100 percenters are more likely to chose option #1 as opposed to #3, as an ultimate goal (discused in a previous string): After Enlightenment, one can 1. Dissolve like a drop in the ocean of Being, with no finite, relative existence. 2. Choose not to make a choice, or 3. Live somewhere, in some realm, with a relative body perhaps for the purpose of helping others. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't fully undersdtand your post. What are the two identities that you are talking about? --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The discussion below separates the They from relative experience, something the Dalai Lama never does. From a Buddhist perspective, there's just existence. According to Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment awakens people to the Real nature of existence; but there's no philosophical separation between supposed two identities. Any such discussion is only from the viewpoint of cc. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a me or I that appears to be present in all experiencing. This I also seems to be surrounded by a vast universe of relative experiences both subjective and objective. The I is inside the universe. So from this perspective questions like where does an enlightened person go when they drop the body appears to make sense because it assumes an I in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, what will this I experience when it is enlightened and where will it be when it no longer is inside a body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time and space contraints. The Self of realization is not localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside the universe. It is nowhere from a relative perspective; it doesn't exist as an I or me. But experience does continue, obviously, but now rather than being an I inside of all the experiencing, all experincing is inside pure consciousness. Everything gets turned on its head. All experience is simply something quite insignificant and not really real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a realized person dies, the relative experincing will change, but they don't go anywhere. How could they? There is no localized self to come and go. Consciousness always is. Experiences come and go. Death of the body is just another experience. --- hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: (below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The discussion pertains to the body, in the relative sense. You are making assumptions out of waking state. In realization there is nobody to go anyplace. --- Jeff Fischer jeffcandace@ wrote: When one has *awakened* where do they go when they drop the body? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta quote
---You mean the question of free will. The jury's out on this question, which we (and philosophers going back thousands of years), have gone over before. Choice may or may not really exist; but in any event, our lack of knowledge concerning the future, and karmic interactions in general, serve us a plate of alternative apparent choices, and there's currently no proof as to the nature of the realness. I realize that some Gurus - like Ramana Maharshi - say there's no free will; but why should his statement be believed; especially in view of the statements regarding karma: that karma is unfathomable - even for Sages?. Ramana is a Sage but this doesn't make him an expert in karma. There are no experts in karma, and there's no proof or even evidence for Ramana's assertion, other than the appeal to authority. (but in regard to the appeal to authorities, I wouldn't trust MMY to guide anybody in matters of economics). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: **Snip** Still another way of looking at it is that it is a choice *only in retrospect*, i.e., from the perspective of realization, but not from the waking-state perspective (Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness). **End** This (above), is backwards. Realization is the extinction of even the concept of choice. It's in the so-called waking state where choice (like waking state) appears to exist. Realization is that it doesn't.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Andrew Cohen interview with Dzongsar on crushing the ego.
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[FairfieldLife] Subs give Israel insurance in N bomb attacks
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the need???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: snip Hi, Bill -- TM is based on two profoundly subtle deceptions, that the mantra and the method of using the mantra enables one to experience the absolute or source of thought. (Note that gerbal never goes on to explain why he says the mantra enables one to experience the absolute or source of thought. Should be: why he says 'the mantra enables one to experience the absolute or source of thought' *is a deception*. Of course, the latest research explains from a physiological point of view, why experience and transcendental consciousness are a contradiction in terms, but language no longer applies in this situation so this is inevitable. Right, experience and 'TC are contradictory only in a philosophical nit-picky sense. Zen Masters simply state that sitting in meditation is conducive to Enlightenment, but don't dwell on useless philosophical speculations on how one can attain That which everything already is. Such arguments are like trying to figure out typical paradoxes such as having a card upon which is written on both sides: The statement on the other side of this card is false. It's a paradox. Leave it at that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How humans evolved from fish
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the need???
---TM in itself can make people passive, ultimately leading to the Bliss-Ninny state; even more dangerous when one's satellite dish is constantly on the Maharishi channel. Once, a non-meditating young fellow from Brit posted a complaint in which he says his Dad no longer works, but spends all of his time meditating and watching the MMY channel. For those of you who practice TM but don't do the Siddhis, I recommend the Gayatri mantra. This helps integrate Bliss with outer activity, so that getting into work and doing constructive things becomes more natural than sitting around. MMY doesn't like japa mantra even though it's a traditional practice in the Shankaracharya Tradition. Start with one round a day. Do this for 30 days and record your results. You will have overall, a more productive life. I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What gets created? I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in meditation and has for 25 years. Has no will to work and has made this one thing the center point in her life. She is what she calls a Sidhi. She says she transcends and connects to the universal consciousness. Cool but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal consciounes) is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave the physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the souls natural evolution? So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form and on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each and everydayWhen its time to go home we'll all get to go home. It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a far off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling home to see how things are back there. Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance to experience what is here in all its positive and negative aspects. Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here on this level of existance. I am wrong To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] future of the TMO
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[FairfieldLife] A Buddhist Branch of original Christianity
at http://www.essenes.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 3rd Century: Mani creates a synchretistic vegan religion
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[FairfieldLife] Two geniuses at Princeton
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Two geniuses at Princeton
---Sorry: http://edge.org/images/Einstein.Godel.550.jpg In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt Godel on the right with Einstein at the Institute for Advanced study, Princeton --- End forwarded message - -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological time during meditation
--Thanks, there is a distinctive physiology of transcendance, at http://www.trnsnd.net/warpt.html - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a synchronistic picture of your psychological state before and after meditation. Pics change each minute and are sent in from around the world: http://www.humanclock.com Click on to the square at top (view the clock); then scroll down to where it says random and click on to it. Each minute will have a new pic. On another topic, some of you may have seen Sri Ravi Shankar and Dr. Herbert Benson on CNN (Shankar came to Atlanta while Benson was at Harvard, consulted as an academic expert.). Benson displayed his usual level of ignorance but this is to be expected...the average CNN viewer (expect for the Chrstian fundamentalists), wouldn't discriminate between various forms of meditation/concentration/prayer/breathing exercises. Benson lumps them all together under the rubric of the relaxation response; and declares them all to be of equal value depending upon which you prefer coupled with your religious or non-religious background. I found it interesting that Benson borrowed an important concept from TM (since he was initiated into it long ago): that if you are consciously aware of a thought, innocently recognize it without using mental force to manipulate the mind; then allow the next thought to enter the mind...something like that (can't remember the exact words Benson used but it had a distinctive TM/MMY flavor). Benson has carved out a distinctive academic niche for himself at Harvard by declaring his they're all of equal value manifesto. I suppose that just from a physiological viewpoing, using gross parameters of relaxation such as breathing amd heart rate, brain waves, skin response, etc; such forms of meditation/prayers/breathing excercise might be somewhat equal with ballpark data; but the notion of transcendance hasn't apparently dawned on Benson, intellectually at least. Maybe he's experienced TC but has concealed the fact. After all, he has an academci career to protect and it's risky to entertain ideas far from the mainstream of academia. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What is Leetspeek?
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*What is leetspeek?
*Just as snow boarders and surfers have their own lingo, so do kids
online. It's called leetspeek. Slang for elite, kids use it to message
one another in chat rooms and over cell phones and instant messaging.
In leetspeek, conventional letters are replaced with keyboard
characters. For example, the term leet would appear as 1337. To
crack the leet code, let me share a few tricks with you.
*Artsy symbols*
Leeters use artsy symbols to transform words into graphics. Why type a
lame N when you can use slash marks to form an artsy /\/? Or, look
for symbols such as \o/ representing the word Whoohoo!
*Butchered words*
In leetspeek, misspelled words are not only ignored, but sometimes
sanctioned. You'll often see teh instead of the, with no attempt to
correct the spelling. Conventional English style and grammar are
dissed. But dOOD (dude) is really kewl in leetspeek.
*Characters*
Given the chance, leeters replace standard letters with
similar-appearing characters. For example, an S is dropped in favor of
a 5 or a $. Other times, a single character replaces an entire
word--U got it?
*Numbers*
Replacing letters with numbers is big in leetspeek. The earlier example
I gave of morphing leet into 1337 was accomplished by swapping letters
for numbers. The letter l was traded for the number 1, the double
e was replaced by the double 3 and the letter t was swapped for
the number 7.
*Red flags*
If you are the parental unit, you may want to get a clue about possible
illegal activity. Pornography is shortened to p0r/\/. Illegal software
becomes warez or w4r3z. The use of 0\/\/n3d or pwn3d is favored
by video game bullies, known as griefers. We talked about handling
griefers in a previous Kim's Tips for Komando Kids at:
http://komando.com/tips_show.asp?showID=8394
*Sound-alikes*
Infuriating to parents--and adored by kids--is the use of sound-alike
letters. Have you ever heard a kid slur an S to sound like SH? A
similar slang is erupting in leetspeek. Words ending in S are spelled
with a Z, K is spelled X and F uses a PH. That's phat.
*Leetspeek translator*
a = 4 or @ or /-\
b = 8 or |3
c = ( or ¢ or k
d = | or [)
e = 3 or
f = l= or ph
g = 6 or 9 or
h = # or [-] or {=}
j = ,| or _| or ;
i = 1 or or 3y3
k = | or /
l = | or 1
m = |\/| or ^^ or |v|
n = |\| or \
o = 0 or ¤
p = |^ or |* or |o or 9
q = 9 or (,)
r = |2 or P\
s = 5 or $ or z
t = 7 or +
u = you
u = |_| or (_) or |_| or v
v = / or \/ or
w = // or \/\/ or \^/ or (n) or \V/
x =
y = '/ or `/ or V/ or ¥ or % '/
z= 2 or S
l8r = later
n00b = newbie
r0x0r = rocks
skillz = skills
u2 = you too
w00t = woohoo
*
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
---Interesting theory, but the facts yell out re: MMY ...he has I, I, I...written all over him. Still, he's Enlightened. (at least many believe. I believe he is). Take Adi Da (aka Franklin Jones). Haven't met him personally but have read all of his books, talked with his disciples, seen videos of him. No doubt, he's Enlightened. But WHAT an EGO.!!! Nope, saying that Enlightned people are different and they have their own rules definitely contradicts some very bizarre behavior on their part, in some cases including immoral and even criminal behavior. Standards have to apply to everyone. Saying there's nobody there doesn't hold water, since the body is there and it is doing the behavior. The question of Enlightenment only applies to identification, not the role of the body acting in the world. As long as there's a body, desires must be present. Relinquishing the notion of a mental doer: (i.e. realizing the true nature of the Self and seeing the nature of Mind); doesn't change the fact that relative bodies are performing actions, exhibit desires, have programs, agendas; even selfish desires which do harm to people. I suppose you would say that it's impossible for an Enlightened person to harm another person? (or, are you one of those who maintain Enlightened people are incapable of making mistakes? It would be a mistake to believe that notion. Don't fall for it. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened person and they appear to have desires. They talk, they move, they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer one thing over another. In fact from the behavioral level there is no difference between the unenlightened and the enlightened. But the enlightened person is not there in the way the unenlightened person believes themselves to be. There is no sense of I or mine in the enlightened person. There is no subjective self that sees itself as me or I . That just goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened person can say is that they are nothing. They aren't there in they way an unenlightened person believes they are there. There is no personal identity or self in enlightenment. The mind can't understand this because it confounds a sense of individual self with consciousness. The two have no relationship what so ever. A personal self is a product of consciousness projecting into mind and experiencing itself as bound. --- matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how Enlightenment is in any way connected with not having desires, from a theoretical level (MMY never said that); or experiential level...looking at various people whom I consider to be Enlightened; for example. 1. Various Buddhist teachers, and texts have people repeating the Bodhisattva vow, which entails Enlightened people using some type of subtle body to be used for the purpose of assisting others. For example, p. 118 of The Seven Chapter Prayer of the Great Teacher Padmasambhava, p. 118, states part of the vow: I vow that having attained the level of Buddhahood, I shall bring all beings to full Enlightenment, using whatever means are necessary for whomsoever is to be tamed. Therefore, this is definitely an avowed desire, requiring a body in the context of useful and skillful means toward an end. 2. The Dalai Lama definitely has desires: foremost on his is list is his stated desire to help the Tibetan people. 3. Terton Kansang Dechen Lingpa Rincoche, an Enlightened teacher from Tibet, has the desire to assist the monks and nuns of the Zangdokpalri monastery in Northeastern India. A pamphlet from his org states, According to his visions of Padmasambava, Kunzang Dechen Rinpoche has established a nunnery and monastery in Arunachal Pradesh, one of the poorest though most beautiful areas in the world. The brochure is inviting people to donate money. This is definitely a worthy desire, don't you think? 4. Enlightened Kriya yoga Guru Sri Satyeswarananda Giri has desires. See: http://www.sanskritclassics.com/aboutbaba.html In 1982 after he initiated me into Kriya yoga, I asked him what his purpose was in coming to the U.S. He said it was to teach the true version of Kriya Yoga (he maintained that Yogananda was teaching it improperly); to set the record straight on the history of Kriya Yoga, and to teach the technique to worthy seekers. Those are all desires. 5. Enlightened teacher Kalu Rinpoche said, (through an interpreter) that he urged people to chant Om Mani Padme Hum. That's a desire. 6. Ramakrishna stated that he intended to incarnate again 200 years after his last incarnation. That's definitely a desire. 7. The next one...you may not agree that Jerry Jarvis is enlightened but I believe he is. He definitely has numerous
[FairfieldLife] Re: After death
---: Viewpoint(below) contradicts the opinions of some great Sages like Ramakrishna and Buddhists in the Pure Land School. There is no rule written in stone that Enlightened people must relinquish all subtle bodies. A majority opinion seems to point to one's choice. Enlightened people can do what they want: retain some body, or not; or even incarnate on the physical plane of existence again (as stated by Ramakrishna)...Enlightened people have desires like others (at least some). The fulfillment of those desires may require some type of body; at least to appear to others. ---To me enlightenment means realization of the Soul. The soul is the energy that animates the body, and the mind, and the emotions, and the ego; everything eminates from the soul. And, when Atma or soul is experienced in pure consciousness, then we become familiar with the experience of the soul. As far as letting everything go, in order to become enlightened; it's true, you must let everything go... It's like death, to become enlightened... ego death, nothing left of the ego, which is meaningful. and all that is left, is the soul. just like death... FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Right! As a matter of fact, Ramakrishna Himself predicted a future incarnation of his own, (I believe 200 years after his death) In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---The assertion that enlightenment results in the cessation of the expereince of self and that then means the end of futher expereince of the relative with the death of the body is far from being universally agreed upon by individuals who have been acknowledged as enlightened eg The Great Swan:Meetings with Ramakrishna p156 Individual souls evolve naturally toward the full awareness of their intrinisic perfection,their infinite nature.After merging conciously with the Only Reality,souls may chose to shine forth again as concious rays of that Reality,during this or FUTURE incarnations(emphasis mine). Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens to the individual when he drops his body after attaining enlightenment? One unbounded ocean of consciousness in motion? Nothing can happen to an enlightened individual after dropping the body because there is no individual for anything to happen to. You are understanding enlightenment in terms of waking state. Enlightenment can not be understood from waking state. Waking state assume there is an I that stuff happens to. That just is not true anymore in enlightenment. Yea, I know, it makes no sense to the mind, but then enlightenment has nothing to do with mind other than squashing it. -Squashed like bug To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
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