[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inspired by re-reading A Brief History of Time: What is it that's uncertain in HUP? (I just learned that Niels Bohr preferred undeterminacy, or stuff.) Hereabouts uncertainty is translated to something that's rather inaccuracy! :0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Good question. There is no such thing as simultaneous observation though. It is similar to that space problem posed that if you always travel just half the remaining distance to an object, you will never reach the object. Same thing: No matter how closely two observers attempt to observe an object at the same time, they will never observe it at exactly the same time, and hence will always see the characteristics of the object differently. If you watch your own reality carefully, you will see through direct observation that what appears to be a seamless series of events witnessed by you, forming a unified vision of the world, is, in fact, a series of rapidly changing snapshots of the world, interspersed by an equal number of direct observations of infinity, of infinite potential. I am not speaking of theory here, but of direct observation. So there is too much infinity, or infinite interference if you will, for two observers to observe something at exactly the same time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Technically speaking there is no such thing as 2 observers in an experiment. There is an experiment and an observed outcome. In addition, the speed at which observation occurs, I doubt two observers could observe the same thing at the same time. In an experimental situation, the outcome is measured. Once measured, that is it's state. The same is true of two observers. Consciousness is not limited to one brain. Once an observation is made in infinitesimally small time, then that is it's state. No 2 observers can observe the same manifestation simultaneously. The particle takes its cue from that which observes it, and the almost infinite speed and almost infinitely small dimensions incrementally unfolded over space , at which observation occurs, cannot allow for two observers . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Technically speaking there is no such thing as 2 observers in an experiment. There is an experiment and an observed outcome. In addition, the speed at which observation occurs, I doubt two observers could observe the same thing at the same time. In an experimental situation, the outcome is measured. Once measured, that is it's state. The same is true of two observers. Consciousness is not limited to one brain. Once an observation is made in infinitesimally small time, then that is it's state. No 2 observers can observe the same manifestation simultaneously. The particle takes its cue from that which observes it, and the almost infinite speed and almost infinitely small dimensions incrementally unfolded over space , at which observation occurs, cannot allow for two observers . OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Good question. There is no such thing as simultaneous observation though. It is similar to that space problem posed that if you always travel just half the remaining distance to an object, you will never reach the object. Antelope Freeway, one-sixty-four mile. Anyone get that? :-) Same thing: No matter how closely two observers attempt to observe an object at the same time, they will never observe it at exactly the same time, and hence will always see the characteristics of the object differently. Ah, but what is the same time? What, for that matter, is time? Quantum mechanically speaking, that is. If you watch your own reality carefully, you will see through direct observation that what appears to be a seamless series of events witnessed by you, forming a unified vision of the world, is, in fact, a series of rapidly changing snapshots of the world, interspersed by an equal number of direct observations of infinity, of infinite potential. Exactly why I love film and am writing a book about film and its relationship to the spiritual quest. I am not speaking of theory here, but of direct observation. So there is too much infinity, or infinite interference if you will, for two observers to observe something at exactly the same time. Thanks for your answers. Really. I bailed from the TM movement before I could catch too much of the quantum mechanics is to TM as... stuff. But I do love hearing this stuff when it's expressed as eloquently as you do it. I guess what I was wondering about was whether quantum mechanics has dealt with what the Buddhists would call interdependent origination. That is, millions of observers perceiving the same potential at once, and the potential having to react to being pulled in millions of directions at once. Is there one composite movie, or many? Unc, watching The Purple Rose of Cairo. Perhaps those of you who know the movie can tell. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Good question. There is no such thing as simultaneous observation though. It is similar to that space problem posed that if you always travel just half the remaining distance to an object, you will never reach the object. Same thing: No matter how closely two observers attempt to observe an object at the same time, they will never observe it at exactly the same time, and hence will always see the characteristics of the object differently. If you watch your own reality carefully, you will see through direct observation that what appears to be a seamless series of events witnessed by you, forming a unified vision of the world, is, in fact, a series of rapidly changing snapshots of the world, interspersed by an equal number of direct observations of infinity, of infinite potential. I am not speaking of theory here, but of direct observation. So there is too much infinity, or infinite interference if you will, for two observers to observe something at exactly the same time. Yep, Jim hit the nail on the head here. Good explanation. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Good question. There is no such thing as simultaneous observation though. It is similar to that space problem posed that if you always travel just half the remaining distance to an object, you will never reach the object. Antelope Freeway, one-sixty-four mile. Anyone get that? :-) Firesign Theatre; Love those guys! We're all bozos on this bus. Ah, but what is the same time? What, for that matter, is time? Quantum mechanically speaking, that is. In my experience, time is memory. So the independent observer is a fiction created by ourselves to independently 'create' time for ourselves, through our memory. If two observers maintain the fiction of being separate from each other, they will never observe the same thing. On the other hand, two observers can observe something at the same time if each is aware of the other as themselves; wholeness recognizing itself. Then there is only one time, one memory, and one observation. The linkage or 'glue' occurs through the simultaneous recognition of infinite Reality within both observers. ... Great rap! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antelope Freeway, one-sixty-four mile. Anyone get that? :-) Firesign Theatre; Love those guys! We're all bozos on this bus. Those guys were the original Secret Buddhists. I remember when their album 'Everything You Know Is Wrong' came out, I just loved the title, and took it as kind of an early walking mantra. Shows how 'brilliant' I was in those da(ze)... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. What is it that's uncertain in Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Before you do the experiment, the position, direction, and spin of the particle cannot be known because it is only when the observer observes the atom that it has the characteristics you observe. In other words, it really was not a particle until it is concretized by an observation, and the observer had a part in it's state/creation. It was really just a potential in the field, and it had infinite possible trajecteries and spin, but it cannot be known ahead of time which it would take. It is uncertain. Only after observation can one see which trajectory it took. It could take any. Even after it is observed, one cannot really say it is a concrete item. It is really a wave with no real boundaries within the quantum ocean that it arises from. Therefore, the characteristics of the universe are dependent on the characteristics of the observer, (as Maharishi has stated). Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Simultaenaity is impossible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antelope Freeway, one-sixty-four mile. Anyone get that? :-) Firesign Theatre; Love those guys! We're all bozos on this bus. Those guys were the original Secret Buddhists. I remember when their album 'Everything You Know Is Wrong' came out, I just loved the title, and took it as kind of an early walking mantra. Shows how 'brilliant' I was in those da(ze)... Back in the late Sixties, they used to do this stuff LIVE on radio station KPFK in Los Angeles. The Wizard of Oz show. It was then -- and probably is to this day -- the hippest thing ever on radio. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Good question. There is no such thing as simultaneous observation though. It is similar to that space problem posed that if you always travel just half the remaining distance to an object, you will never reach the object. Antelope Freeway, one-sixty-four mile. Anyone get that? :-) Same thing: No matter how closely two observers attempt to observe an object at the same time, they will never observe it at exactly the same time, and hence will always see the characteristics of the object differently. Ah, but what is the same time? What, for that matter, is time? Quantum mechanically speaking, that is. If you watch your own reality carefully, you will see through direct observation that what appears to be a seamless series of events witnessed by you, forming a unified vision of the world, is, in fact, a series of rapidly changing snapshots of the world, interspersed by an equal number of direct observations of infinity, of infinite potential. Exactly why I love film and am writing a book about film and its relationship to the spiritual quest. I am not speaking of theory here, but of direct observation. So there is too much infinity, or infinite interference if you will, for two observers to observe something at exactly the same time. Thanks for your answers. Really. I bailed from the TM movement before I could catch too much of the quantum mechanics is to TM as... stuff. But I do love hearing this stuff when it's expressed as eloquently as you do it. I guess what I was wondering about was whether quantum mechanics has dealt with what the Buddhists would call interdependent origination. That is, millions of observers perceiving the same potential at once, and the potential having to react to being pulled in millions of directions at once. Is there one composite movie, or many? It's many movies, but each are dependent on the observers who got their information before they did. for each observer, the movie is unique, but each individual frame's content is based partly on what others have seen. Unc, watching The Purple Rose of Cairo. Perhaps those of you who know the movie can tell. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Simultaenaity is impossible. Science has a lot to learn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. Just as a question, what does this principle have to say about multiple observers? What does the potential do when suddenly observed simultaneously by two different observers? Are there two waves, one for each observer, or is there only one, some kind of com- posite wave, generated by the combined influence of the two observers? Simultaenaity is impossible. Science has a lot to learn. Says someone whose ability to discern time is in slices measured in large fractions of a second... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HUP?
Can you repeat the question in more detail. I have the answer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inspired by re-reading A Brief History of Time: What is it that's uncertain in HUP? (I just learned that Nils Bohr preferred undeterminacy, or stuff.) Hereabouts uncertainty is translated to something that's rather inaccuracy! :0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
