[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

..Lot of spiritual people [transcendentalists by other names] fled moving from Europe to America. That can be mapped. A Lot like practicing meditators have skirted around and left the TMO as it became doctrine bound, overtly administrative, and itself more a belief-based (religious?) culture.

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. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Excerpts that I heard presented in papers at a conference sounded very similar to Barclay's Apology and not unlike a defended sort of fear that practicing TM meditators contend with in the TMO's guidelines and administrative inquisitions that are held in Fairfield around being able to stay in

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Does TM have any European antecedents? These old writings reference other writings coming from around Europe, the lowlands, France and Spain and Austria. Through history these spiritual people would have to take periodic refuge from the religion of the day and so they moved around with

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

I was at a conference not long ago where papers were given by scholars who recently have translated old German texts, letters, pamphlets, and tracts of satsang-like spiritual groups that were in Northern Europe. Some of these old texts were of the Community of True Inspiration, from their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Yes, experienced Spirituality and its supporting ideas were much more fluid than we might suppose moving across Europe evidently going way back in time. People and their experiences with spirituality it seems have traveled back and forth across Europe from early times and evidently the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Thanks for the followup discussions! I had to google Lollardy to find out more. In that it's associated with Wycliffe and many Lollards were his followers; it appears that relating to the eventual development of Quietism, Wycliffe may have been in some ways a setback. His "Bible" only

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Does TM have any European antecedents? ..we can isolate the Silence/Transcending aspect of TM, and for the same of discussion, forget the Puja part. Then, TM would definitely be in the Quietist camp, since there's no imposition of any religious images (they may or may not arise

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o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers   Many Friends’ ideas can be traced to earlier groups. The first distinct Protestant movement in England was Lollardy, arising in the late Middle Ages, the 1370s.  Go

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Many Friends’ ideas can be traced to earlier groups. The first distinct Protestant movement in England was Lollardy, arising in the late Middle Ages, the 1370s. Good survey of earlier 'Antinomian' England: Early Quaker History http://homewoodfriends.org/2015/02/17/early-quaker-history-2/

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

"The spread of the Antinomian tradition, as begun by the Lollards, was by means of extended kinship, intermarriage, and child rearing and education. As will be seen, the Lollard movement, which continued right up to the English Reformation of the 1530's, was a dissident religious reform

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

But thanks to people like George Fox, the Quietist movement lived on under different names. Yes, Jai George Fox! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Kinship, therefore, was a determinant of far more than mere bloodlines: it was a radical cultural

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

"Kinship, therefore, was a determinant of far more than mere bloodlines: it was a radical cultural transmitter, reflecting persistent defining cultural, religious, and political traits. It continually revealed repetitive familial continuities and ancient customs of significant proportions.

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him out until he pledged loyalty to Cromwell.LOL! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quake

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

MD, as one Western transcendental meditationist remarkably you evidently are part of a long line-bred tradition that came out of European separatist spirituality. This dissertation I am reading describes this as like the genetics of cultural familial DNA, a “cultural genetics” passing as

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Miguel de Molinos was the main inspiration. But Madame Guyon - particularly through her book "A Short and Easy Method of Prayer" - helped popularize his approach. Her high-profile supporter was Archbishop Fenelon. All three were targetted by the Church hierarchy. The history of

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Knowing that, I guess I can make it another day.:) From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietis

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ent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers George Fox, 1624 - 1691: http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 :

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Good example, MD of how a spiritual movements can spread in a time. Sort of like TM did in the 1950-70's. By shakti of experience and then word of mouth from family and friends. That was the Quaker spiritual movement in its day. Mobility through kin and connection. Someone here in

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Yes, I had wondered this too and chronicled some of it in a subject thread here on FFL. Often those who were referred to as 'separatists' had quietism as a central practice in addition to may be having Ritam Bhara P (inspired) or attending spiritual (chakra) energy work (Pietists).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers   George Fox, 1624 - 1691:http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 : #yiv6450342081 #yiv6450342081 -- #yiv6450342081ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;m

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

George Fox, 1624 - 1691: http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

faint of heart. This is glorious work that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36

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by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists

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y not be for the faint of heart. This is glorious work that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

This is glorious work that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

You From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community '

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for disting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism'

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ork that is being done here by a lot of good people who are with it in the community. -JaiGuruYou From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

groups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Well, you are laying out the "vision of possibilities" that drew so many in. I'm not sure it's worked out that way for everyone, but I will concur that stepping upon the spiritual path is indeed fortunate, but not for the faint of heart. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's teaching. Indeed...and yet how much more marvellous are the first rays of early morning set against the darkest of nights, with the full brightness of day yet to come! Through the line behind the pioneering attitude

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Truth and Consequences, The Sin of the Spin, Nice post, Upfronter. This is really well written critique as it speaks to the dangers we have in our collective story of our communal TM standard of ethics as a corporate spiritual group. It comes at a good time for what are processes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I'd say there's been a "black night of the soul" for many of us regarding M's teaching. In the best case, you reconcile it in some manner, and emerge on the other side keeping intact some parts, and letting some parts go by the wayside. Or, in some cases, people become embittered, and set

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

“I don't recall that on my TTC ('72) that we were trained to be as deceptive as upfronter is suggesting.” I’m sorry if you thought I was suggesting that TM teachers were “trained to be as deceptive”. My point, in a nutshell, is that before this practice was ironed out (thank you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

you buy is yours and yours alone. We never discussed criteria for selection. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra selection.” In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : (snip) Also, looking at the early supposed TTC training script (unless it has been doctored to provide a falsehood), I notice that the giving of the mantra should be done in such a way as to make the initiate feel that they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I remember when I learned TM so many years ago that the mantra, in terms of meaning and origin, was not discussed at all, nor was I particularly interested in the details, as long as it worked. It was *the correct use* of the mantra, the delicacy of its implementation, that was emphasized.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

“Teacher briefly glances at initiation form to check the criteria for mantra selection (age and/or sex) and to preserve the illusion of personal mantra selection.” In other words, alter the truth that mantra selection is based solely on age and sex and create an illusion that it is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

yep, TM wasn't designed for a required support structure, beyond those first days of checking. A very wise move by Maharishi, and unique so far as I can tell among the many offerings out there. It is truly a "householder's" technique, and far more helpful than a bunch of crutches.:-) ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Good narrative, Upfront. By definition it sounds like you are a practitioner who simply has come to have faith in the practice based on experience with it, spiritually. That is different than the tru-believers who seem to make something cultural out of their time with it, like a religion.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I sincerely thank the disciplic line responsible for the meditation that has brought me to a world in this world that I could not even have dreamt of. How grateful am I! However, I do not agree with much of the certain knowledge spoken by the masters that comes from the East except in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

. [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful

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ldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishi

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

fieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious f

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well, good luck. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Mo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

6 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community 'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of strict preservation on the one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

ruYou From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community I am on my w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Why?  Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends live here.  I have family that lives here no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Life@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

fe@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but this divis

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement community. It is extremely trying inside the movement right

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Thanks for the info on your background. Fascinating where we come from, and you've traced it back quite a ways. I find each of the states quite distinct as it is, a very different feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM preservationists: “..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with the times, doesn't move with the society.” “He (Scalia) was its most fierce proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

; <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also

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ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the US federal structure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Re "Leave it to the individual states to decide" : My view also. And one of the most attractive features of the U

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

No, it was Supreme Court justices who ruled on Roe v. Wade, not "shyster lawyers." Lawyers, shyster or otherwise, don't get to rule on anything. Only judges or justices can do that. And please don't tell me what I can and can't see. You don't have a clue. ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Re "Since when do "shyster lawyers" get to rule": Roe v. Wade? "The Court recognized the right to an abortion as a fundamental right included within the guarantee of personal privacy." Let me spell it out. Here in Europe abortion rights are not a live issue. The right of a woman to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

"Shyster lawyers"?? We're talking about the Supreme Court here. Since when do "shyster lawyers" get to rule on interpretation of the Constitution? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re "Allowing for changing attitudes" : You're making my case for me!

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Okay, take one example. Gay marriage. Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

t between states. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community Ok

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oogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community   Okay, take one example. Gay marriage.  Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no&quo

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

I am not a student of the Constitution, but passage of a constitutional amendment is a rather arduous process, and questions about the meaning of the constitution with regard to certain issues, is something that comes up all the time, and is, in most cases, the purview of the Supreme Court. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

It's almost prohibitively difficult, actually; it was designed to be. And it can take years. Those who are not originalists (don't know the term for them) don't necessarily interpret the original wording in a way that is "clearly at odds with the obvious reading." It's much more complicated

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Re "Allowing for changing attitudes" : You're making my case for me! If people's attitudes have changed they will vote for representatives who share their views and who will amend the constitution accordingly. See how it works? The people decide; and not shyster lawyers. ---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Okay, take one example. Gay marriage. Strictly interpreted constitution-wise, ala Originalism, the verdict would be "no". But allowing for changing attitudes, with a slightly more liberal interpretation, the answer would be "yes" Issues seem easier to resolve in theory than in practice.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

"Originalism" sounds like what I would call common sense. If you don't approve of what the original constitution lays down then get your elected representatives to amend the constitution by due process. How hard can it be? The idea that a bunch of lawyers - who I've never voted for - can

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

“Originalism, as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in the Constitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.” Conservative TM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did as an enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, and it

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the religious faith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out well for the TM movement.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The TM Movement Community

Standing like Constitutional Original-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist TM'ers inside TM at the top for decades have contended and winnowed things down fundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those who have 'faith and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leave

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in Estonia!

5% of the population with a mental needs diagnosis, is also a conservative round number used in the West too. Also it seems TM can attract people with need who are looking with hope for help and healing. but the KGB propaganda campaign was skilled and ruthless.“ One of the most

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Legacy

Character: Untermyer: "Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?" Morgan: "No, sir, the first thing is character." Untermyer: "Before money or property?" Morgan: "Before money or anything else. Money cannot buy it." -December 1912, financier John Pierpont "J.P."

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Legacy

# ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ethical behavior. Corporate 'VW' is another good example of how ethical behavior has now become a 'leading economic indicator'. Some poor 'moral reasoning' by some and billions of dollars in the balance in the market.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Legacy

# ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ethical behavior.. Corporate 'VW' is another good example of how ethical behavior has now become a 'leading economic indicator'. Some poor 'moral reasoning' by some and billions of dollars in the balance in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Legacy

Ethical behavior. Corporate 'VW' is another good example of how ethical behavior has now become a 'leading economic indicator'. Some poor 'moral reasoning' by some and billions of dollars in the balance in the market. Given the high-speed of news in the internet era a culture of ethical

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in the Bible?

Oops! baggoyim, NOT haggoyim...

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in the Bible?

Excellent observation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Psalm 46:10 הַרְפּ֣וּ וּ֭דְעוּ כִּי־אָנֹכִ֣י אֱלֹהִ֑ים אָר֥וּם בַּ֝גֹּויִ֗ם אָר֥וּם בָּאָֽרֶץ׃ harpuu ud'uu ki anoHii elohim, arum baggojim, arum ba-aarets. harpuu (be still) ud'uu (and know) ki (that)

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in the Bible?

Well, my original transliteration was for a Finnish forum. That's why it might be a bit misleading from the English POV...For instance haggojim - haggoyim.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is the Best-est,

Very good insight as usual. Not many people could pick up on the difference between moral reasoning and ethical reasoning, but you have. For decades now, you have been consistent in holding the TMO’s feet to the fire in pointing out its lack of ethical reasoning, while always holding yourself

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM BOLLYWOOD

TM knows how to recruit disciples in the movement. The more popular disciples they get the more others will join the movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mikemail4you@... wrote : Anushka Sharma, the Indian movie star who likes to meditate

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and secondary impotence?

kappikachu // mucuna ... or the best thing would be to see a traditional healer like a chinese herbal doctor or a Vaidya and get away from all the pharmaceuticals if possible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and secondary impotence?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Can I recommend TM to a - I believe - fairly young man, to try to treat secondary impotence caused by - he believes - his use of SSRI's?? There's zero evidence that TM cures impotence. Problems with potency caused by popping SSRI's

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and secondary impotence?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Can I recommend TM to a - I believe - fairly young man, to try to treat secondary impotence caused by - he believes - his use of SSRI's?? Personally I would start here: Treatment of Antidepressant-Induced Sexual Dysfunction

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Murderers are creative!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

Not for all the tea in China From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All   But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it cures everything

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading and ultimately harmful to people who don't know anything about meditation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

But wouldn't you like to date her, MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it cures everything in the world - this is the kind of pr that is both misleading and ultimately harmful to people who

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not for all the tea in China It gets better. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM

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not my type either. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different

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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not for all the tea in China From

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All   If you don't care for beautiful women, what about her dog, then? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Cures All   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Same gal, different interview - look at how they are presenting TM, as if it cures everything in the world

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