[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of his actions-clearly indicate that he considers himself a Guru and the actions of those who serve him clearly indicate the same. I have never seen him discourage people treating him like their supposed Master. Yep, he certainly refrains from discouraging those who have agreed to work for him in a given context from working for him in that context (e.g. Purusha/Mother Divine). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught. But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had to be stopped. And before long it will *ALL* be gone...(it's already a joke)! I remember something MMY said in the 'Divine Plan' about reconstructing a street. He said that when a street is in a very bad shape, the reconstruction had to be taken in steps, it couldn't be done at one time. After one section had been reconstructed, the next could be done etc. As I see it, TM was very much adjusted to suit the western mentality, something MMY has admitted himself. One thing would be the way the mantras are selected etc. Or that its taught without any refererence to religious or devotional terminology. This was to go beyond the obvious baricade between different religions, that was still very much prevelant in the early sixties and seventies. The presentation of TM in a religious-free context had its advantages, but it has its drawbacks as well. To change this in the minds of the followers is impossible.So MMY's aim was to light some light in the west. He doesn't see his mission personally (as the recently posted answer from the pressconference shows).So, other sections of the reconstruction of the road need not be directly associated with his persona or with the movement. MMY very consciously put the spreading of TM to sleep. Nobody in the movement seems to think anymore its a necessity. He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, Thats why I put it in parentheses. There are others who denied being Gurus and yet could be considered to be so like Ramana Maharshi. In TM this is also part of the non-religious presentation. A guru is he who leads you from darkness to light. and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). I do, in fact. P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. It's not a relevant question to me at this point. Relevant is what I got from it/him, and how he was a means/tool of Brahman to lead me on. If you see it at the impersonal level there is no problem really.The universal Guru is the archetype of all Gurus and he may adopt any form at any time appropriate to lead you on, away from darkness to the light. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Why not? Of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, Thats why I put it in parentheses. There are others who denied being Gurus and yet could be considered to be so like Ramana Maharshi. In TM this is also part of the non-religious presentation. A guru is he who leads you from darkness to light. and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). I do, in fact. P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. It's not a relevant question to me at this point. Relevant is what I got from it/him, and how he was a means/tool of Brahman to lead me on. If you see it at the impersonal level there is no problem really.The universal Guru is the archetype of all Gurus and he may adopt any form at any time appropriate to lead you on, away from darkness to the light. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Why not? Of course. Col, someone with common sense! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of his actions-clearly indicate that he considers himself a Guru and the actions of those who serve him clearly indicate the same. I have never seen him discourage people treating him like their supposed Master. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of his actions-clearly indicate that he considers himself a Guru and the actions of those who serve him clearly indicate the same. I have never seen him discourage people treating him like their supposed Master. I would submit that a *Master* and a *Guru* are two differents matters entirely..MMY's had a Guru in Guru Dev, a personal relationship, we do not have a personal relationship (Guru/Disciple) with MMY... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of his actions-clearly indicate that he considers himself a Guru and the actions of those who serve him clearly indicate the same. I have never seen him discourage people treating him like their supposed Master. In the Good Old Days when MMY used to run Summer Courses in Norway, he once was asked Are you Christ. His answer was Yes. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: From: scozzari tm@ To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with discussions that aren't about the TMO. I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have priority here, exactly, but we're certainly interested in them, so don't let the fact that we do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting TMO-related stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: From: scozzari tm@ To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
on 2/27/06 3:00 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Whatever people want to talk about has priority. Inevitably, we keep coming back to TMO issues. If there's something you want to discuss that isn't being discussed, start a discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught. But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had to be stopped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught. But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had to be stopped. And before long it will *ALL* be gone...(it's already a joke)! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. What I remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had less bite. I.e., it sucked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
In a message dated 2/27/06 6:16:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had lessbite. I.e., it sucked. It tasted like Pepsi to me To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with discussions that aren't about the TMO. I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have priority here, exactly, but we're certainly interested in them, so don't let the fact that we do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting TMO-related stuff. - Sorry! Thought IÕd included enough clever remarks Ð playfully steering the post away from sarcasm. The intention was to be somewhat facetious. No, no difficulty with non-TMO discussions. Carry on. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
I think you ought to move on and stop wasting your energy on the TMO just call it something else and do your own thing. I heard that all the meditators are going to the Rothenbergs so dont fight them they wont last and will be gone as soon as Stuarts aging mom passes or another project comes up just wait and do your own thing and dont waste your energy or financial resources to fight them they wont last there and the locals will come back to you It is sad and they should be ashamed of themselves the Rothenbergs just do their thing and leave you alone. I ofcourse would not disconnect my phone so you may have to fight them on small fronts but dont bother otherwise as they will leave town before you can blink your eye. they cant teach much it is too coslty and the whole peace palace thing is a joke so they wont last long hand in there and stop wasting your energy on them From: scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I destroy all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation. With the new project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like me, were made teachers for life by Maharishi, were all told we must no longer consider ourselves teachers. The re-certification course as you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after which you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others bow to you. Teachers were required to teach according to gender, males teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing). Teachers were promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 a month if you teach 2. Three months after it's start all salaries were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find work once again. ++see Chandler letter below It's nonsense. Teachers like myself have not done anything wrong. Most on my list know I have continued to provide basic and advanced instruction and have maintained the traditional teaching. Every teacher knows what it's like to try and make a living teaching. I will never charge anyone $2500 - never! I would need cold water running through my veins! It's wrong and people don't deserve it. It makes perfect sense to me having taught over 4000 people, that teachers should be able to keep all the money for instruction encouraging students to then take TMO sponsored follow-ups like the TM- Sidhis and advanced techniques. This way everyone wins. Teachers need to make a living. When did the policymakers forget that? The fees today are 6 times what they were in 1993. I have invested a small fortune to keep teaching in the area since 1989. My Bell South bill is $150 per month. Recently my Bell South rep called to say he received a call from Joan Rothenberg who accused me of violating the TM trademark, that I was not legally allowed to do so and that she and her husband Stuart were the new teachers in Boca Raton. This quote appeared in my January 06 newsletter: Still the Same Maharishi has done something that his predecessors did not do. He provided a technique and a knowledge program while maintaining the ancient traditions. With all the research available, TM is still the best technique for relieving stress and developing inner potential. The packaging and marketing changes over time but the essential message remains the same: meditate and enjoy. When Coca Cola introduced New Coke, the public was split on what they preferred, new or old Coke. Old Coke was introduced as Classic Coke and remains the same today. Transcendental Meditation can be offered to the general population or the wealthy, no harm. But the essential teaching is here to stay. Keeping this teaching alive worldwide is the goal of all the teachers. Competition is good and if it leads to more people learning, no harm. As stated previously, our office teaches TM at reasonable rates. It's available for everyone. Please keep us in mind and know that we are here to stay. We hope you can join us for programs that enrich and refresh, inspire and expand. Take advantage of your membership and keep the teaching alive by meditating twice a day and radiating the benefits in your life. Mike
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I destroy all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation. With the new project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like me, were made teachers for life by Maharishi, were all told we must no longer consider ourselves teachers. The re-certification course as you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after which you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others bow to you. Teachers were required to teach according to gender, males teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing). Teachers were promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 a month if you teach 2. Three months after it's start all salaries were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find work once again. ++see Chandler letter below It's nonsense. Teachers like myself have not done anything wrong. Most on my list know I have continued to provide basic and advanced instruction and have maintained the traditional teaching. Every teacher knows what it's like to try and make a living teaching. I will never charge anyone $2500 - never! I would need cold water running through my veins! It's wrong and people don't deserve it. It makes perfect sense to me having taught over 4000 people, that teachers should be able to keep all the money for instruction encouraging students to then take TMO sponsored follow-ups like the TM- Sidhis and advanced techniques. This way everyone wins. Teachers need to make a living. When did the policymakers forget that? The fees today are 6 times what they were in 1993. I have invested a small fortune to keep teaching in the area since 1989. My Bell South bill is $150 per month. Recently my Bell South rep called to say he received a call from Joan Rothenberg who accused me of violating the TM trademark, that I was not legally allowed to do so and that she and her husband Stuart were the new teachers in Boca Raton. This quote appeared in my January 06 newsletter: Still the Same Maharishi has done something that his predecessors did not do. He provided a technique and a knowledge program while maintaining the ancient traditions. With all the research available, TM is still the best technique for relieving stress and developing inner potential. The packaging and marketing changes over time but the essential message remains the same: meditate and enjoy. When Coca Cola introduced New Coke, the public was split on what they preferred, new or old Coke. Old Coke was introduced as Classic Coke and remains the same today. Transcendental Meditation can be offered to the general population or the wealthy, no harm. But the essential teaching is here to stay. Keeping this teaching alive worldwide is the goal of all the teachers. Competition is good and if it leads to more people learning, no harm. As stated previously, our office teaches TM at reasonable rates. It's available for everyone. Please keep us in mind and know that we are here to stay. We hope you can join us for programs that enrich and refresh, inspire and expand. Take advantage of your membership and keep the teaching alive by meditating twice a day and radiating the benefits in your life. Mike Scozzari If Stuart Rothenberg and his wife want to teach TM, there is no reason to push the existing teachers aside. If the truth be told, I would ask Stuart why he moved from North Carolina to Lancaster, MA and fired the staff at the ayurvedic health center as well as ask Jay Glasser, MD to leave after years of medical service there. It's unfortunate. The directors called me to tell their story. The claims against me re trademark infringement are just the opinions of the TMO and their attorney. I can email you the attachments. No court order has been issued yet. IF AND WHEN I GET THE COURT ORDER, I will need to show the court the true details of my claim which will only cause the TMO to
