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Xeno, thanks for your suggestions. I think I skim even when I check my own posts! So I'll slow down with that and see if I can detect the gaps in my logic. I really don't like all the space that Neo puts between paragraphs so instead I'll do what I did here. I skipped to the next line when I skipped to a new sub topic. I'll see if I like how that comes out once it's sent. As for my allegedly spongy worldview, maybe it has to do with that *diagnostic thinking* that I mentioned before and that indicates a strong tendency to make connections and make big leaps when drawing conclusions. Maybe the slower checking will help alleviate that. I'll have to work that line between staunch precision and harsh anger. Tomorrow, October 5 is the 4th anniversary of my 15 yr long SO. I'm still upset about harsh words I said to him. So I'm more careful about that in general. From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share - I do not think Judy parrots me at all, and certainly she does not parrot Turq. If there is a common element which we have all arrived at independently, it is your thinking, as expressed on FFL, often seems very out of focus when applied to the matter at hand. Now someone like Judy might not grasp what you are talking about because the world view gap is significant, but in your case, it is often hard to determine if there is a consistent experience behind what you say. I have a definite world view; Turq seems to have a fairly definite way of viewing life, and Judy has a fairly standard way of approaching those, but I do not think Judy grasps these world views of ours. And she definitely has a very well delineated world view. But I find what I can grasp of your world view is so spongy, like a melted marshmallow, it is often hard to grasp what you are talking about, which is why I recommend you post less but spend some time writing longer posts, and reviewing them once, twice, thrice, before sending them off. I would love to post more, but I do not have the time or stamina to do it. There have been times when you have gotten precise and direct - when you are angry, I think, and then sometimes a staunch precision comes through. I think Judy probably would like to see more of that from you. Arguments about world views or states of consciousness do not seem to appeal to her, telling her that because of her 'lower' state of consciousness she does not understand something that someone is experiencing in a 'higher' state of consciousness, or vice versa. It is particularly important when interacting with Judy to be precise, even though she may use her precision to de-track your argument in various ways. I do not think Judy often argues with the point to gain knowledge, just argues for the glory of running you off the rails. Stephen King wrote a book on writing. Here are a couple of tips: 'Paragraphs are almost always as important for how they look as for what they say; they are maps of intent.' 'Writing is refined thinking.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com SHARE wrote: Judy, I don't think the views of Xeno or turq or noozguru spring from the same prejudice towards me as yours do and therefore they are not similar at all. Except that you've parroted them. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Actually I haven't parroted anything they've said to you. Sorry, but what I wrote happens to be my own thoughts about you. But it's certainly interesting that all three of us have similar views, isn't it? Especially since we don't agree on much of anything else? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com SHARE wrote: Judy, your parroting some of what Xeno and turq have said to me does not make your observations or suggestions more valid to me. IMO they are coming from a more neutral place with regards to me. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies You obviously had time to write a detailed response to the post of Seraphita's you say you just skimmed because you were rushing, Share, so that claim doesn't hold much water. As to your having more stuff than others, it's what compels you to spew umpty posts with almost no content, including your pandering posts and your feeble attempts at gotcha posts, as well as your inability to take responsibility for your
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Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. One imagines all kinds of conversations they then had. Maybe he was a risk taker. Maybe he was questioning his aura reading abilities and wanted to experiment. Maybe he came out of meditation too fast (-: I think doing TM balances brain functioning. That might mean that the reptilian brain no longer dominates one's decision making process. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Itzhak Bentov wrote a couple of entertaining books exploring new-agey ideas back in the 1970s. He was also a keen advocate of transcendental meditation -but not a starry-eyed advocate as he was also an early pioneer in exploring the issue of kundalini syndrome and he knew from personal experience that TM could have unpleasant side-effects. On which, see the appendix to Stalking the Wild Pendulum. One thing that's always puzzled me is the story that as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura and so he knew that they were all destined to die. He got on the plane anyway . . . and so bye-bye Bentov. Now, if he really realised that the plane was going tits up why did he board the aircraft? Does doing TM damage your survival instinct?
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I listened to a set of audio tapes of a seminar he taught - a guy at MIU was a big fan of his and had been allowed to tape the seminar - Bentov discussed TM a little - he said it was a nice meditation but he said the Movement was not too much to brag about. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Itzhak Bentov wrote a couple of entertaining books exploring new-agey ideas back in the 1970s. He was also a keen advocate of transcendental meditation -but not a starry-eyed advocate as he was also an early pioneer in exploring the issue of kundalini syndrome and he knew from personal experience that TM could have unpleasant side-effects. On which, see the appendix to Stalking the Wild Pendulum. One thing that's always puzzled me is the story that as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura and so he knew that they were all destined to die. He got on the plane anyway . . . and so bye-bye Bentov. Now, if he really realised that the plane was going tits up why did he board the aircraft? Does doing TM damage your survival instinct?
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Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)?
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Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I forgot. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff. All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood stuff. IMO From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share bleated: Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I forgot. But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway. I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had described the incident. In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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Ann, I agree that it's good to take responsibility. However, that does not include giving validity to the observations of those who I think are biased towards me because of my upsets with RWC. And that is what I think goes on even to this day with some of RWC's supporters, who yes, I think are loyal to him in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey, your post reminded me quite a lot of how Emily used to write to me. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way? If so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a loyal and unhealthy way then what do you think would explain my difficulties with you at times? You have gotten oodles and oodles of feedback from lots of posters here - some who truly like you, some who do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all get feedback here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about our ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take responsibility when it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' everyone else using reasons like obsession or unhealthy or grudge-holding. I don't care how many hundreds of times you post a day, that is not the issue. What is important to me is your deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of your less than positive, shall we say, actions and inferences. You either chalk these up to superficial causes like sugar or planetary influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get real Share, it feels good. From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough. BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response? I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful response. YMMV (and obviously does). Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff. All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood stuff. IMO This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved childhood stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that I won't spell out here. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share bleated: Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I forgot. But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway. I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had described the incident. In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more stuff than others? So what? From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies I don't believe you, Share. And I notice you didn't respond to what I asked you. Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough. BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response? I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful response. YMMV (and obviously does). Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff. All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood stuff. IMO This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved childhood stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that I won't spell out here. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share bleated: Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I forgot. But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway. I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had described the incident. In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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The nastier an RWC supporter is towards me, and yesterday's posts to Seraphita were IMO some of the nastiest ever, the more I think they are loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Notice that Share didn't respond to Ann's request for her to say why she thinks Ann is obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way. Share is grasping at straws with this RWC business. If she can pin the criticisms of herself to her upsets with Robin last year, it enables her to maintain (falsely) that nothing she has done since has deserved criticism. But then--opsie!--there's Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to Share of mid-August. Unfortunately that can't be pinned to Share's disgraceful treatment of Robin last year, given Barry's obvious loathing of the man. Bottom line, to try to blame that incident for the criticism of Share a year later (and regularly in between) is exactly what Ann is talking about when she points to how Share consistently avoids taking responsibility for her behavior, instead seeking to put the blame on her critics (or other innocuous incidentals like too much sugar). Ann, I agree that it's good to take responsibility. However, that does not include giving validity to the observations of those who I think are biased towards me because of my upsets with RWC. And that is what I think goes on even to this day with some of RWC's supporters, who yes, I think are loyal to him in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey, your post reminded me quite a lot of how Emily used to write to me. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way? If so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a loyal and unhealthy way then what do you think would explain my difficulties with you at times? You have gotten oodles and oodles of feedback from lots of posters here - some who truly like you, some who do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all get feedback here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about our ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take responsibility when it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' everyone else using reasons like obsession or unhealthy or grudge-holding. I don't care how many hundreds of times you post a day, that is not the issue. What is important to me is your deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of your less than positive, shall we say, actions and inferences. You either chalk these up to superficial causes like sugar or planetary influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get real Share, it feels good. From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?
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So, now it's all about Share. This has got to be some kind of FFL record - it only took an hour for this thread to head down hill. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 10:22 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way? If so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a loyal and unhealthy way then what do you think would explain my difficulties with you at times? You have gotten oodles and oodles of feedback from lots of posters here - some who truly like you, some who do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all get feedback here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about our ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take responsibility when it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' everyone else using reasons like obsession or unhealthy or grudge-holding. I don't care how many hundreds of times you post a day, that is not the issue. What is important to me is your deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of your less than positive, shall we say, actions and inferences. You either chalk these up to superficial causes like sugar or planetary influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get real Share, it feels good. *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)? .
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Judy, your parroting some of what Xeno and turq have said to me does not make your observations or suggestions more valid to me. IMO they are coming from a more neutral place with regards to me. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies You obviously had time to write a detailed response to the post of Seraphita's you say you just skimmed because you were rushing, Share, so that claim doesn't hold much water. As to your having more stuff than others, it's what compels you to spew umpty posts with almost no content, including your pandering posts and your feeble attempts at gotcha posts, as well as your inability to take responsibility for your behavior. Suggestion: If you must read FFL before you bop off to the domes (hardly, I should think, a good preparation for settling down to experience silence), save your responses for when you get back and are no longer in a rush, so you have time to put some thought into them (and read what you're responding to with sustained attention). That's a good prescription for whatever the time of day is, BTW. You really do not need to post every stray thought that enters your mind. In fact, you'll get more of the attention and approval you so crave, and less of the criticism you so fear, if you make fewer, better posts. Also, most of us don't feel the need to proffer extravagant thanks for every post we appreciate, nor do the folks who make such posts expect it. Save the accolades for the really good ones, maybe the best one of the day after you've read them all. Then perhaps your appreciation will count for something. There are many other ways you could mitigate the negative effects on FFL of your excess of stuff, but the above will do for now. Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more stuff than others? So what? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies I don't believe you, Share. And I notice you didn't respond to what I asked you. Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough. BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response? I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful response. YMMV (and obviously does). Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff. All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood stuff. IMO This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved childhood stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that I won't spell out here. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Share bleated: Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I forgot. But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway. I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had described the incident. In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife
RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
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Judy, I don't think the views of Xeno or turq or noozguru spring from the same prejudice towards me as yours do and therefore they are not similar at all. Except that you've parroted them. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Actually I haven't parroted anything they've said to you. Sorry, but what I wrote happens to be my own thoughts about you. But it's certainly interesting that all three of us have similar views, isn't it? Especially since we don't agree on much of anything else? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, your parroting some of what Xeno and turq have said to me does not make your observations or suggestions more valid to me. IMO they are coming from a more neutral place with regards to me. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies You obviously had time to write a detailed response to the post of Seraphita's you say you just skimmed because you were rushing, Share, so that claim doesn't hold much water. As to your having more stuff than others, it's what compels you to spew umpty posts with almost no content, including your pandering posts and your feeble attempts at gotcha posts, as well as your inability to take responsibility for your behavior. Suggestion: If you must read FFL before you bop off to the domes (hardly, I should think, a good preparation for settling down to experience silence), save your responses for when you get back and are no longer in a rush, so you have time to put some thought into them (and read what you're responding to with sustained attention). That's a good prescription for whatever the time of day is, BTW. You really do not need to post every stray thought that enters your mind. In fact, you'll get more of the attention and approval you so crave, and less of the criticism you so fear, if you make fewer, better posts. Also, most of us don't feel the need to proffer extravagant thanks for every post we appreciate, nor do the folks who make such posts expect it. Save the accolades for the really good ones, maybe the best one of the day after you've read them all. Then perhaps your appreciation will count for something. There are many other ways you could mitigate the negative effects on FFL of your excess of stuff, but the above will do for now. Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more stuff than others? So what?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
Maybe they are just JELLOS. It looks like this thread is going down the rabbit hole too. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 9:30 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy and unbalanced way. *From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator? Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL! Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go figure. On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: (snip) Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife. Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)?
