[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  If you pulled your head
  out long enough to actually read some of the things
  printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
  spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
  almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
  charlatan. 
 
 Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
 teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
 spiritual community evaluates them 
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who 
became
Rama?
 

How did the larger spiritual community view Jesus, Buddha, 
Mohammed, etc while they were still alive, or within a few years of 
their deaths?

 http://skepdic.com/rama.html
 
 http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html
 
 http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/
 
 With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
 Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger 
spiritual
 community that view Lenz favorably.
 
 Maybe Lup has such for Creme.
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?
 
 Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
 you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-30 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
   If you pulled your head
   out long enough to actually read some of the things
   printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
   spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
   almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
   charlatan. 
  
  Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
  teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
  spiritual community evaluates them 
  
  How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who 
 became
 Rama?
  
 
 How did the larger spiritual community view Jesus, Buddha, 
 Mohammed, etc while they were still alive, or within a few years of 
 their deaths?

Or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi while still alive. These people come and go, 
and sometimes they just love to cruzify a little...
 
  http://skepdic.com/rama.html
  
  http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html
  
  http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/
  
  With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
  Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger 
 spiritual
  community that view Lenz favorably.
  
  Maybe Lup has such for Creme.
  
  How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?
  
  Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
  you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true?
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 If you pulled your head
 out long enough to actually read some of the things
 printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
 spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
 almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
 charlatan. 

Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
spiritual community evaluates them 

How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who became
   Rama?

http://skepdic.com/rama.html

http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html

http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/

With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger spiritual
community that view Lenz favorably.

Maybe Lup has such for Creme.

How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?

Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true? 


 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread TurquoiseB
My, the things people do to distract attention from
the fact they've made fools of themselves in public.  :-)

You don't actually think you're going to suck me into
one of your endless egobattles, do you?  You should
take on Judy...she *lives* for this kinda defend-
your-ego and defend-your-teacher shit.  :-)


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  If you pulled your head
  out long enough to actually read some of the things
  printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
  spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
  almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
  charlatan. 
 
 Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
 teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
 spiritual community evaluates them 
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- 
 who became Rama?
 
 http://skepdic.com/rama.html
 
 http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html
 
 http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/
 
 With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
 Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger 
 spiritual community that view Lenz favorably.
 
 Maybe Lup has such for Creme.
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?
 
 Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
 you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My, the things people do to distract attention from
 the fact they've made fools of themselves in public.  :-)

Which time are you referring to? It happens a lot. 

Unlike you, apparently, it doesn't bother me. I love to laugh at my
foibles. You seem scared of yours.

 
 You don't actually think you're going to suck me into
 one of your endless egobattles, do you?

That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular
contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear.


Lets try one more time (yes its kind of fun watch you run and hide)

Unc:
   If you pulled your head
   out long enough to actually read some of the things
   printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
   spiritual community, you'd know hat he is regarded
   almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
   charlatan. 

Gabby:
  Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
  teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
  spiritual community evaluates them 
  
  How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- 
  who became Rama?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread TurquoiseB
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 That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular
 contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear.

That you are unable to handle contradictions 
is clearer.  You seem to believe that they
are incompatible with enlightenment and/or 
higher states of consciousness.  You're in
for a big surprise...  :-)  :-)  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular
  contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear.

 That you are unable to handle contradictions 
 is clearer.  You seem to believe that they
 are incompatible with enlightenment 

Your flashbacks, hallucinations and large cognitive errors are surging
again Barry. Maybe you should cut down on the absinthe. Never said
above, never implied above. But I understand you have a hard time
following things when the type keeps changing into crawly worms and
snakes. 
 
and/or 
 higher states of consciousness.  You're in
 for a big surprise...  :-)  :-)  :-)

Ah, so you are enlightened now, clearly you must be speaking from
experience. Must be a new awakening because not long ago you
declared you were not enlightened. 

Oh, maybe thats that famous umbrella where anything goes Its a
Paradox of Brahman -- lets sing along --

I have no ego, and you have an ego 
And we both are so enlightened. 
But were not enlightened also, 
Its such a joy. Its such a joy. 
Enlightenment means that
You see everything as it is.
And I am so enlightened 
Though I see way more stuff on the page 
that does not exist than does. 
But were not silly,  
its just the Paradox of Brahman.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular
  contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear.
 
 That you are unable to handle contradictions 
 is clearer.  You seem to believe that they
 are incompatible with enlightenment and/or 
 higher states of consciousness.  You're in
 for a big surprise...  :-)  :-)  :-)   

The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of contradictions,
because I am so enlightened

But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, maybe you will
remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that: 

--- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused minds
or logic

--- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are contradictory.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread TurquoiseB
Feeling particularly threatened tonight, dude?

We've all seen this before...you make an ass of
yourself, someone calls you on it, and you have
to post at least half a dozen diatribes against
them.  I feel for you -- it must be truly painful
to have a self so tiny and constricting -- but
your problems are not my concern, and your ego-
babble just isn't interesting enough to reply to,
much less get involved with.

So have fun arguing with your self, eh?  :-)


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   That you don't want to get sucked into discussing the regular
   contradictions in your emphatic declarations is clear.
  
  That you are unable to handle contradictions 
  is clearer.  You seem to believe that they
  are incompatible with enlightenment and/or 
  higher states of consciousness.  You're in
  for a big surprise...  :-)  :-)  :-)   
 
 The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of contradictions,
 because I am so enlightened
 
 But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, maybe you will
 remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that: 
 
 --- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused 
minds
 or logic
 
 --- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are 
contradictory.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  If you pulled your head
  out long enough to actually read some of the things
  printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
  spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
  almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
  charlatan. 
 
 Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
 teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
 spiritual community evaluates them 
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who 
became
Rama?
 
 http://skepdic.com/rama.html
 
 http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html
 
 http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/
 
 With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
 Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger 
spiritual
 community that view Lenz favorably.
 
 Maybe Lup has such for Creme.
 
 How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?
 
 Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
 you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true?

Very good points. 
The thing is that I have no interest in how so-called spiritual 
groups view Benjamin Creme. I simply go by my intuition. By the way, 
the january/february issue of Share Internatioal is out today and can 
be viewed at : http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
Enjoy :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Feeling particularly threatened tonight, dude?

 We've all seen this before...you make an ass of
 yourself, someone calls you on it,

Hahaha, are referring my post questioning an article cited as
being publihsed in the NYT on Jan 28, about a law  cited as being
signed on jan 26? There was no such article on jan 28(that I could
find). There was no such law signed jan 26. So 
I asked for a cite 
 
And we found out that the controversy was 
a) three weeks earlier than said, and 
b) was not AT ALL as represented in the post that I
quesioned. 

Wow, you sure caught me in a huge gaff!!! HAHAHAHA

And you were convinced the contoversey was REAL -- our liberties had
been taken away and arrests were about commence -- all things I
questioned from common sense -- and turned out in REALITY, to be false.

And you are snickering about others being publicly embarrased?
HAHAHAHAHAHA. One can't make this stuff up. Its too rich!


--- it must be truly painful
 to have a self so tiny and constricting

Your self-examination memoir is really quite brave.

But I see you AGAIN, as ALWAYS, you create some lame cover as to why
you can't address qustioning of your sloppy thinking.

Your position that you have a license to utter nonsense contradictions
in the realm of worldly things, because languange about
enlightenment can have contradictions, is so laughably absurd
again, one can't make this stuff up. Its too rich!


  The classic charlatan trick: Yes, I am full of conteradictions,
  because I am so enlightened

  But Barry, when the hallucinations die down a bit, msaybe you will
  remember, or perhaps realize for the first time, that:
 
  --- many contradictions are just that -- utterings of confused
 minds
  or logic
 
  --- not all or even many statements about enlightenment are
 contradictory.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-29 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
   If you pulled your head
   out long enough to actually read some of the things
   printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
   spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
   almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
   charlatan. 
  
  Thats an interesting criteria to evaluate a 
  teacher that one is drawn to: how the larger
  spiritual community evaluates them 
  
  How does the larger spiritual community view Fred Lenz -- who 
 became
 Rama?
  
  http://skepdic.com/rama.html
  
  http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html
  
  http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/swamirama/
  
  With my less-than-half brain, I took the first three articles that
  Google spit out. Maybe you have some cites from the larger 
 spiritual
  community that view Lenz favorably.
  
  Maybe Lup has such for Creme.
  
  How does the larger spiritual community view MMY?
  
  Was the Lenz trip a waste of time? Was the Maharishi gig? Have
  you spent decades chasing things that sound too good to be true?
 
 Very good points. 
 The thing is that I have no interest in how so-called spiritual 
 groups view Benjamin Creme. I simply go by my intuition. 

Which Barry is fond of telling people to do go by ones intuition --
and telling people what fools they are, if not  complete raving
assholes, for not doing so.

But the other day, Barry/Unc/Turq apparently decided to use another
side of his mouth and came up with the above criteria for teachers.
Which he is embarrassed to use on his past teachers. 

Perhaps all this talk of precesional shifts and changing directions
had caused him to get his rap mixed-up and which of the many sides
of his to rant with.

But the really funny yet sad aspect is Barry appears  to view his
contradictictory proclamations and unsolicited advice about how we
should live our lives  as signs of his enlightenment. In BarryLoka,
apparently, the more contradictory you are about everyday things, the
more enlightened you are. 

Sort of like BushLoka.  

And  it appears Barry wants to be the most enlightened -- so he can
be the most special -- and be the  most unlike you and me.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-26 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 http://tinyurl.com/bkxfd

I seriously doubt Vaj is doing himself a favor by posting this utter 
rubbish.

Those who want to read the real stuff can go to: 
http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/bkxfd
 
 I seriously doubt Vaj is doing himself a favor by posting this  
 utter rubbish.

I think he was trying to do *you* the favor.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-26 Thread lupidus108
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/bkxfd
  
  I seriously doubt Vaj is doing himself a favor by posting this  
  utter rubbish.
 
 I think he was trying to do *you* the favor.  :-)

Sorry, it's on a level of total rubbish, no serious person would be 
able to look at it favorably whatever their level of appreciation of 
Maitreya. Take a look and see for yourself.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 
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  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/bkxfd
   
   I seriously doubt Vaj is doing himself a favor by posting   
   this utter rubbish.
  
  I think he was trying to do *you* the favor.  :-)
 
 Sorry, it's on a level of total rubbish, no serious person would 
be 
 able to look at it favorably whatever their level of 
 appreciation of Maitreya. Take a look and see for yourself.

Sorry, but you're wrong. The author's tone is harsh
and a bit over the top, but as far as I know every-
thing he says is factual. If you pulled your head
out long enough to actually read some of the things
printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
charlatan. If you were *trying* to be laughed at
for your lack of discrimination, you could not have
picked a better teacher to associate with to accom-
plish this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-26 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/bkxfd

I seriously doubt Vaj is doing himself a favor by posting   
this utter rubbish.
   
   I think he was trying to do *you* the favor.  :-)
  
  Sorry, it's on a level of total rubbish, no serious person would 
 be 
  able to look at it favorably whatever their level of 
  appreciation of Maitreya. Take a look and see for yourself.
 
 Sorry, but you're wrong. The author's tone is harsh
 and a bit over the top, but as far as I know every-
 thing he says is factual. If you pulled your head
 out long enough to actually read some of the things
 printed about Mr. Creme by those in the larger
 spiritual community, you'd know that he is regarded
 almost universally at best as a joke, at worst as a
 charlatan. If you were *trying* to be laughed at
 for your lack of discrimination, you could not have
 picked a better teacher to associate with to accom-
 plish this.


A bit over the top, but factual ? Take a look at these statements:

Maitreya was devised decades ago by cult founder Benjamin Creme...

...(Maitreya) who Creme says has a 3000 year old indestructible 
body...

...Maitreyas economic theories are based on various forms of 
financially-bankrupt European socialism...

...Buddha is not expected for about 40 million years...

Just a few examples of that authors obvious ignorance. 

I'm not aware of what spiritual community you are referring to, but 
it would not be a surprise if it is the same, very advanced spiritual 
souls for sure, who claim Maharishi to be a fraud also.





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