Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing,and I haven't seen a word except the commentsabout the wives not being named in the photos.I'm not even talking about the *political*aspects; we've known about the TMO's, andMMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking aboutthe practical effect of the absence of thefeminine vibe among the Rajas in terms ofwhatever effect *they're* supposed to have onworld consciousness.-Actually I have made several points on this topic over the years. As a tantric I have felt obligated to point out that the Movement is mysogynistic in structure. I always found that ironic, considering the refusal to use OM in anything, and the reliance on Shakti mantras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. I agree. OffWorld Its almost like a comic book character, Superman or Spiderman or something. Its so stupid , you don't care anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html And the point being that the symbol of Shiva is a metaphor since God is formless!! (Or all forms but not any one form) Shiva is merely a representation of the inconceivable, to get stuck on the form is to miss the point. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I think the crux of the answer lies in your own words: whatever effect they're supposed to have on world consciousness. Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the movement's effects on world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an effect at this point. [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I think the crux of the answer lies in your own words: whatever effect they're supposed to have on world consciousness. Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the movement's effects on world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an effect at this point. [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
Now, it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible.Ingegerd-It is terrible coonsidering that the very nature of enlightenment is based in the feminine view of the absolute. It's also terrible because the mantras are Shri's body, and how can Shakti support those that hate her manifestations. I suggest that Maharishi got snubbed one time too many by women and decided that being around men was more safe. Probably because they actually had feelings and didn't just act like puppets to his masturbatory sexual fantasies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) Lovely, LBS -- and when I hear someone say I don't know, my immediate impulse is often to say I love you! For where the mind surrenders, the heart embraces :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. -Actually I have made several points on this topic over the years. As a tantric I have felt obligated to point out that the Movement is mysogynistic in structure. I always found that ironic, considering the refusal to use OM in anything, and the reliance on Shakti mantras. DOn't forget that MMY allegedly has consulted Lakshmi (?) on several occassions about the direction the TMO should go in... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. Or as Werner Erhard of est used to call it, Coming from don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? Not a trick question: How would you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. Or as Werner Erhard of est used to call it, Coming from don't know. Living out of the question rather than from the answer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? Not a trick question: How would you know? As I understand things, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to know in any epistemological sense. However, there is a subjective sense in which one knows as a form of feeling, usually justified by something one observes in the environment. I observer such-and-such, thus I know this-and-that. The classic response of Vedanta is contained in the story of the crow landing in the palm tree, in which the teaching offered is that when sees the coconut fall subsequent to the crow's landing, one should not assume a causal relationship. In other words, I was asking Judy's opinion, with no preconceived ideas about what it should be. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. Or as Werner Erhard of est used to call it, Coming from don't know. Living out of the question rather than from the answer. Be patient towards all that is unanswered in your heart, and learn to love the questions themselves.--Rilke To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. seems to me it goes from an ignorant I know to an enlightened I don't know... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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,As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards women, is dangerous, for women. I agree, and it puts me off Maharishi, hence my distance, even though the techniques are incredible. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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---If things go in cycles like the moon, then same moon, just different phases, some in the dark, some quite bright. same moon. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, he's living in the past when India was at its Zenith, he wants to go *back* to that, (just like Osama Bin Laden) but there is no going back, only forward. Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, new metaphores will emerge, life and form evolve, and so do man's Religions, and yes TM is a Religion, a philosophy and a way of life, it's all of those things, even MMY has said so...the eternal Religion represented by the Vedas...MMY The Vedas. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, MMY is quite enlightened, to say the least. Dr. Peter...How do you know MMY is enlightened? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip MMY is quite enlightened, to say the least. The surface behaviors only impact the mind. That's our karma and it's very important to allow this surface behavior to impact us and to burn away the attachments/resistances we have to Self. You know, the robes and crowns and ceremonies and bagpipes don't bother me so much; those really *are* just surface detail. (And the Raja outfits aren't that bad; they're clean and plain and attractive and pretty restrained as ceremonial outfits go.) What *does* bother me is the near-complete invisibility of women in any of this. Whatever exalted vibes are being generated, they're exclusively *masculine* vibes. Nothing wrong with masculine vibes--I dig them, myself. But if what we're aiming for is *wholeness*, that's only *halfness*. (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women.) What's up with that? Why are there not any Rajanis (?), and does that make any kind of sense to anybody? Is it attachment to be concerned about it? It just seems to me to be way unbalanced, vibe-wise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What's up with that? Why are there not anyRajanis (?), and does that make any kind ofsense to anybody? Is it "attachment" to beconcerned about it? It just seems to me tobe way unbalanced, vibe-wise.---Rajani - 2 Million dollars. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip MMY is quite enlightened, to say the least. The surface behaviors only impact the mind. That's our karma and it's very important to allow this surface behavior to impact us and to burn away the attachments/resistances we have to Self. You know, the robes and crowns and ceremonies and bagpipes don't bother me so much; those really *are* just surface detail. (And the Raja outfits aren't that bad; they're clean and plain and attractive and pretty restrained as ceremonial outfits go.) What *does* bother me is the near-complete invisibility of women in any of this. Whatever exalted vibes are being generated, they're exclusively *masculine* vibes. Nothing wrong with masculine vibes--I dig them, myself. But if what we're aiming for is *wholeness*, that's only *halfness*. (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women.) What's up with that? Why are there not any Rajanis (?), and does that make any kind of sense to anybody? Is it attachment to be concerned about it? It just seems to me to be way unbalanced, vibe-wise. Earlier I described the coronation vibe as Ego and Mental, which after reading the above post I realized is another way of saying Imbalanced Masculine, or masculine w/o the feminine balance. Though lip service is paid to Mother Divine, true strong femininity is not represented much in the tmo in practice, and I agree that's a major shortcoming, esp in this day and age. I don't believe in mythological religious concepts like Kali and Sat Yuga, but recorded history has been dominated by the exercise of masculine power and has certainly been a bloody mess. Look at the last 2,000 yrs of Christian dominance in the West in which God is perceived as being a composite of 2 men and a spirit -- no female component at all!! -- endless war and destruction (along with lots of neat technology) I think any person or org. wanting to successfully dawn a new age will most certainly have to be a manifestation of integrated masculine-feminine to really make a difference. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:08 PM, authfriend wrote: What *does* bother me is the near-complete invisibility of women in any of this. Whatever exalted vibes are being generated, they're exclusively *masculine* vibes. Nothing wrong with masculine vibes--I dig them, myself. But if what we're aiming for is *wholeness*, that's only *halfness*. Welcome to Vedic Brahmanism. Now get back in the kitchen ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, he's living in the past when India was at its Zenith, he wants to go *back* to that, (just like Osama Bin Laden) but there is no going back, only forward. Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Worship of some gods is dangerous--some are simply incompatible with civilized living. They can destabilize the consciousness of entire nations.Heheheh. Yeah, that god called God has a super big ego. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, he's living in the past when India was at its Zenith, he wants to go *back* to that, (just like Osama Bin Laden) but there is no going back, only forward. Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I find the whole thing so pathetic and silly, and the women look so sad and defeated, that I really didn't know what to comment. Of course it's male-based--isn't Indian culture extremely biased against women? It's really too bad, as everyone loses when subtle put-downs are used to try and elevate others. I mean, look at those guys! Do they look like they're having fun? How much effort would it have cost any of them to try and get their wives the respect they are due? For a million bucks, seems like they could have gotten a Rajette or three out of it. Sal On Jul 19, 2005, at 3:08 PM, authfriend wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women.)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the whole thing so pathetic and silly, and the women look so sad and defeated, that I really didn't know what to comment. Of course it's male-based--isn't Indian culture extremely biased against women? It's really too bad, as everyone loses when subtle put-downs are used to try and elevate others. I mean, look at those guys! Do they look like they're having fun? How much effort would it have cost any of them to try and get their wives the respect they are due? For a million bucks, seems like they could have gotten a Rajette or three out of it. Yes, it's interesting that no one really seems to know the word for Queen (which I suppose to be Rani) -- has the TMO not created even one? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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(I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Its almost like a comic book character, Superman or Spiderman or something. Its so stupid , you don't care anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. Its almost like a comic book character, Superman or Spiderman or something. Its so stupid , you don't care anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. *** There is no bar in Vedic culture to women being rajas, although certainly almost stories of rulership in Vedic times are about men ruling the kingdom, with their wives as real partners although they play no public role for the most part. But in the Yoga Vasistha, Queen Cudala takes over running the kingdom when King Sikhidhvaja takes to the forest for 18 years to seek enlightenment, and it is actually she who leads Sikhidhvaja to enlightenment when his mind finally becomes receptive to wisdom after years as a forest recluse. After they went back to their kingdom, Assisted by Cudala, Sikhidhvaja ruled the kingdom for a period of ten thousand years... (p. 468, http://tinyurl.com/6xndt ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
