[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-02-01 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
With all of the traffic on the above topic caused by a simple concept
that was misunderstood I thought the following quote seemed
appropriate. Tom T

Awakening reveals that there is no personal self, 
and that everything is myself. 
It appears to be a paradox. 
We find we are nothing and absolutely everything simultaneously. 
When we see this, we realize there is nothing more happening 
other than love meeting itself -- 
or we could say you are meeting yourself,
or the Truth is meeting itself, or God is meeting itself. 
Love meets itself each moment, even if it's a rotten moment. 
This will never happen through the egoic state of consciousness, 
filtered through the mind. But from the innocence, 
love is simply meeting itself. 
If you love me, it meets that. 
If you hate me, fine, it meets that, too. And it loves meeting that. 
I am talking about the One meeting itself, 
realizing itself, experiencing itself. 

~Adyashanti 
Emptiness Dancing





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread gullible fool

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html

Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in
13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's
rotation axis? 

No, there will be no swapping of the seasons and the
months of the year. 

The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a
motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to
remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it
rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000
years. The result is that the two points where the
equator of the Earth intersect the ecliptic plane, the
vernal and autumnal equinoxes, precess westward along
the ecliptic by 360 degrees per 25,800 years or 50.26
seconds of arc per year. This is also equal to 0.125
seconds of arc per day or 0.008 seconds of time, so
that each day the synchronization between sidereal and
solar time slips a bit. Currently, the vernal equinox
which heralds the beginning of spring occurs in the
constellation of Pisces, but it is slowly moving
towards the constellation of Aquarius and will arrive
there in a few hundred years or so. 

The seasons of the year are produced by the tilt of
the axis of the Earth, and this tilt is not disturbed
by the precession, but remains exactly the same with
respect to the ecliptic plane. Currently in the
northern hemisphere, the Earth is tilted TOWARDS the
Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is at its farthest
from the Sun ( aphelion ) in June, and we experience
summer. In the winter it is tilted AWAY from the Sun
today. Because our calendar year and its seasons are
tied to when the equinoxes occur, it automatically
keeps up with the precession, so that in 13,000 years
we will have the following situation: The axis of the
Earth will be tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees
when the Earth is closest to the Sun ( perihelion) in
the northern hemisphere in JUNE, and tilted AWAY from
the Sun when it is closest to the Sun in December.
Each day, our calendar is gradually 'precessing' in
time by 0.008 seconds to keep up with the new
locations of the equinoxes and solstices so no matter
where we are in the precession cycle, winter will
always happen in December, and Summer in June. BUT
because in the northern hemisphere in 13,000 years we
will be closer to the Sun for our summer, and farther
for our winter, the severity of these seasons will be
slightly greater. 

What will also change is the constellation that the
summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer
solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the
zodiac. Will we still celebrate winter in December and
summer in June in the northern hemisphere? Yes, and we
will also see Orion as a summer constellation in
13,000 years. Precession affects the background
constellations against which the Earth-Sun motion
plays itself out. It does not affect the months during
which the seasons occur, because these are constantly
being updated to keep the vernal equinox in March etc.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html
 
 Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in
 13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's
 rotation axis? 
 
 No, there will be no swapping of the seasons and the
 months of the year. 

And no one said there would be. You are perhaps creating a strawman --
refuting something never suggested, and claiming that you have
addressed the question at hand. Which is: does the position of the sun
at VE receed at about 1 degree every 72 years, thus it reaches that
point one day earlier on the calendar than it did 72 years earlier. 
This is not speculation. Its mainstream science. Long run, in 13000
years, the math will show VE to 180 degrees from where it is now. 
Maybe hard to swallow, but its the implication of well accepted
celestial mechanics.

 
 The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a
 motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to
 remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it
 rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000
 years. 

On average 23.5 degrees but due to factors other than precesson it can
vary +- 2 degrees or so.

The result is that the two points where the
 equator of the Earth intersect the ecliptic plane, the
 vernal and autumnal equinoxes, precess westward along
 the ecliptic by 360 degrees per 25,800 years or 50.26
 seconds of arc per year. This is also equal to 0.125
 seconds of arc per day or 0.008 seconds of time, so
 that each day the synchronization between sidereal and
 solar time slips a bit. Currently, the vernal equinox
 which heralds the beginning of spring occurs in the
 constellation of Pisces, but it is slowly moving
 towards the constellation of Aquarius and will arrive
 there in a few hundred years or so. 

yes. 

 The seasons of the year are produced by the tilt of
 the axis of the Earth, and this tilt is not disturbed
 by the precession, but remains exactly thsee same with
 respect to the ecliptic plane. 

Thats fine, but you that has little to do with the point at hand: that
the position of the sun at VE receeds at about 1 degree every 72
years, thus it reaches that point one day earlier on the calendar than
 it did 72 years earlier. 


Currently in the
 northern hemisphere, the Earth is tilted TOWARDS the
 Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is at its farthest
 from the Sun ( aphelion ) in June, and we experiencer
 summer. In the winter it is tilted AWAY from the Sun
 today. Because our calendar year and its seasons are
 tied to when the equinoxes occur, it automatically
 keeps up with the precession, so that in 13,000 years
 we will have the following situation: The axis of the
 Earth will be tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees
 when the Earth is closest to the Sun ( perihelion) in
 the northern hemisphere in JUNE, and tilted AWAY from
 the Sun when it is closest to the Sun in December.
 Each day, our calendar is gradually 'precessing' in
 time by 0.008 seconds to keep up with the new
 locations of the equinoxes and solstices so no matter
 where we are in the precession cycle, winter will
 always happen in December, and Summer in June.

No argument. That is what I have been saying.

 BUT
 because in the northern hemisphere in 13,000 years we
 will be closer to the Sun for our summer, and farther
 for our winter, the severity of these seasons will be
 slightly greater. 

Yes, long term climate cycles will be generated from the long-run
variations of the distance of lattitudes to the sun.
 
 What will also change is the constellation that the
 summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer
 solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the
 zodiac. 

Yes exactly. As will the position of the sun at vernal equinox, it
will rotate 180 degrees in 13000 years. The VE will be in tropical
Virgo in 1300o years !!! WHICH IS THE ONE POINT I HAVE BEEN MAKING. 

Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have
interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be
spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is
the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. 
 
(Though in sideral systems, the ayanamsa will be  
180 degrees and Jyotish will call tropical region of virgo Pisces)

Will we still celebrate winter in December and
 summer in June in the northern hemisphere? Yes, 

Of course. Who said anything different?

 and we
 will also see Orion as a summer constellation in
 13,000 years. Precession affects the background
 constellations against which the Earth-Sun motion
 plays itself out. 

It does not affect the months during
 which the seasons occur, 

Right. September sill be September. Summer/autumn weather (though
other factors may modify this).  


 because these are constantly
 being updated to keep the vernal equinox in March etc.

WHOA!  I agree with everything you have said up now.

Earlier you said. 

 What will also change 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread cardemaister
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wrote:

 
 How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo?


Have you ever thought your train is moving, when
it's actually the train next to yours that's doing that?  :)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
  How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo?
 
 
 Have you ever thought your train is moving, when
 it's actually the train next to yours that's doing that?  :)

Yea. And I wonder if it was going half the speed of light, and a guy
on the roof had a base ball gun (for batting practice) shot balls
forwards and backwards at half the speed of light, how fast each ball
would be going? And if he shined flashlights forwards and backwards,
how fast each beam would be traveling? And if my train were moving
half the speed of light, in the opposite direction, how fast I would
find them traveling? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have
 interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be
 spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but 
 is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts.

Did you delete the post you made early in this thread
in which you said something to the effect that you
weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect
spring break?  I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature.

In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal
equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in
September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement
that spring will be in fall.

snip
  What will also change is the constellation that the
  summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer
  solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the
  zodiac. 
 
 Thus in 13000 years the VE will be 180 degrees from its current
 position in Pisces, shifting to  virgo.
   
 In tropical view, virgo is September and the earth is comimg out
 of summer (when N Hem. is tilted towards the sun) and into autumn.
 How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo?

The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox
can be in Virgo without its being September.  That's
what gullible fool is trying to tell you, I believe.
One does not dictate the other.  They're two different
frames of reference.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
  Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have
  interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be
  spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but 
  is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts.
 
 Did you delete the post you made early in this thread
 in which you said something to the effect that you
 weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect
 spring break?  

HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What else
 could it have been


I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature.
 
 In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal
 equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in
 September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement
 that spring will be in fall. 

Perhaps you read my posts selectively. You ignored my 8 points for
sometime -- for all i know you did not read them. In those points and
periodically after I clearly define VE as the day that the the sun
rises from due east.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox
 can be in Virgo without its being September.  

Really? And exactly how does that work? Its September when sun is in
(tropical) virgo today. Assuming we don't change calendar systems. it
will be in 500   years, 5000 years and 13000 years. Precsession of of
the eqinox does not effect this. By what mechanism are you suggesting
that 
sun in virgo will not be Sept in 13000 years?

 
 what gullible fool is trying to tell you, I believe.

HAHAHA. Well let GF stand up and say it. And let him explain the above.

 One does not dictate the other.  They're two different
 frames of reference.  

The sun is in virgo in September. Where in Gods name are two frames
of reference

HAHAHAH. you are so funny Judy. Again what mechanism gets sun out of
(tropical) virgo in or around September?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
   The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox
   can be in Virgo without its being September.  
 
 At least its nice you apparently finally see that VE can be in Virgo
 in 13000 years. That it moves 180 degrees (tropically) from Pisces to
 Aires. That has been my main  point for 2 days now. Its true, AND
 there are not two frames of reference in this view.
 
 That sun in virgo occurs in or around sept I thought was quite
 obvious. What mechanism would change ir? I mean when in the last 13000
 years has sun in tropical Virgo not been in/around September? (in
 quotes, because calendar systems have clearly changed, but per modern
 calendar, sun in tropical virgo was in/around  modern tropical
 September 500 years ago, 5000 years ago and 13000 years ago.)
 
 Show me a sun in tropical virgo that was not in (modern calendar)
 September?
 
 So obvious that sun in tropical virgo occurs in or around sept I
 thought most would easily get the add on point to the above main
 point(ve in virgo) : if sun at VE in 13000 years is in tropical virgo,
 and sun in tropical virgo is always in/around september , then VE in
 13000 would be in September. A surprising insight which I figured many
 would enjoy the sharing of.


Another angle on why sun in tropical virgo is always in September.

Precession of the equinox means the sun at VE is only 359 degrees from
the prior sun position at VE 72 years earlier. Thus the sun reaches
this new sun/VE point about a calendar day earlier than 72 years
previously. 

In 13000 years, everyone appears to agree that the sun at VE will be 
 in tropical virgo, 180 degrees from the current VE which occurs in
March.  The 15006 position of sun at VE, being only 180 degrees from
the 2006 sun at VE position, the sun will reach this point in only six
months from the 2006 position. Six months of travel by the sun, from
March (2006 sun in VE position) will be September. The 15005 sun at VE
must occur in September.

The fact that sun at VE in 15006 is also in tropical Virgo, and
tropical Virgo ALWAYS occurs in/around September, is a separate point
of support.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread Vaj


On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:38 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000 years.   On average 23.5 degrees but due to factors other than precesson it can vary +- 2 degrees or so. Yes. Nutation, a approx. 2.5 degree change in the axis does, and it is believed to affect changes in climate.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
   Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and 
have
   interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years 
to be
   spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, 
but 
   is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts.
  
  Did you delete the post you made early in this thread
  in which you said something to the effect that you
  weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect
  spring break?  
 
 HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What
 else could it have been

Yes, obviously it was a joke.  What difference does
that make?

Did you delete it?



 
 
 I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature.
  
  In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal
  equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in
  September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement
  that spring will be in fall. 
 
 Perhaps you read my posts selectively. You ignored my 8 points for
 sometime -- for all i know you did not read them. In those points 
and
 periodically after I clearly define VE as the day that the the sun
 rises from due east.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox
   can be in Virgo without its being September.  
 
 At least its nice you apparently finally see that VE can be in Virgo
 in 13000 years.

Never said it couldn't, of course.

 That it moves 180 degrees (tropically) from Pisces to
 Aires. That has been my main  point for 2 days now. Its true, AND
 there are not two frames of reference in this view.

Right, the other frame of reference is the date of the
vernal equinox.

Instead of yapping on and on and on, just take a few
minutes and THINK about what I just said.



 
 That sun in virgo occurs in or around sept I thought was quite
 obvious. What mechanism would change ir? I mean when in the last 
13000
 years has sun in tropical Virgo not been in/around September? (in
 quotes, because calendar systems have clearly changed, but per 
modern
 calendar, sun in tropical virgo was in/around  modern tropical
 September 500 years ago, 5000 years ago and 13000 years ago.)
 
 Show me a sun in tropical virgo that was not in (modern calendar)
 September?
 
 So obvious that sun in tropical virgo occurs in or around sept I
 thought most would easily get the add on point to the above main
 point(ve in virgo) : if sun at VE in 13000 years is in tropical 
virgo,
 and sun in tropical virgo is always in/around september , then VE in
 13000 would be in September. A surprising insight which I figured 
many
 would enjoy the sharing of.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word

2006-01-31 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   snip
Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and 
 have
interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years 
 to be
spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, 
 but 
is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts.
   
   Did you delete the post you made early in this thread
   in which you said something to the effect that you
   weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect
   spring break?  
  
  HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What
  else could it have been
 
 Yes, obviously it was a joke.  What difference does
 that make?
 
 Did you delete it?

No.






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