[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread Bill (William)Simmons
Just over two years Peter.

A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she 
was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a 
day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that 
this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if 
a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to 
chaos.

She would reffer to her meditation experiencing as achieving comsic 
orgasms,,,I thought to myself oh great what is this a form of mental 
masterbation.

I actually observed her once while she was meditating. At age 50th in 
my eyes she's the most beautiful woman in the world. But on that 
afternoon while in her trance her face look distorted hagard and old. 
It was almost frightening and it left me wondering just how much joy 
and bliss could she have possibly be feeling.

I've been in emergency services for 30 years Peter and have a great 
deal of patience with people and so I really tried to be patient with 
her but finally and again out of the blue she announced Maharishi 
says we need to be celibate in order to channel all our energies to 
our higher spiritual intellect. 

That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh 
sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering 
to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous 
womaniser. I know it was the wrong thing to say and the conversation 
went down hill from there to include He's a liar a cheat and a fraud.
Thought I was going to have to call 911 myself for backup.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Bill,
Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or 
bipolarism?  Sounds like there is something more going on than just 
defending MMY.  If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us 
looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't.  And 
those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are something I 
have learned to avoid.  I find them scary.

Sal


On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote:

 A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she
 was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a
 day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that
 this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if
 a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to
 chaos.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread Bill (William)Simmons
Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. 

I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill.

Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't 
address the underlying root causes/demons etc. 

But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your 
problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money 
on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants.


Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we 
do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that 
tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation 
or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to 
enlightment.

So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and 
give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach 
true enlightment.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to overcome 
them--ha, ha.

I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed you'd 
feel, and that is still why I continue the practice.  The concept of 
enlightenment, whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as to be 
meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a  place in my world 
view  and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. (Not 
to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I find 
most discussions of it kind of boring.  But others obviously don't, so 
discuss away! :) )

Sal


On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote:

 Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we
 do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that
 tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation
 or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to
 enlightment.

 So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and
 give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach
 true enlightment.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just over two years Peter.
 
 A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she 
 was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually 
a 
 day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that 
 this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as 
if 
 a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to 
 chaos.
 
 She would reffer to her meditation experiencing as achieving comsic 
 orgasms,,,I thought to myself oh great what is this a form of 
 mental masterbation.
 
 I actually observed her once while she was meditating. At age 50th
 in my eyes she's the most beautiful woman in the world. But on that 
 afternoon while in her trance her face look distorted hagard and 
 old. It was almost frightening and it left me wondering just how 
 much joy and bliss could she have possibly be feeling.

(I can't resist observing that people's faces
tend to get *very* distorted when they're in the
middle of an orgasm...)

What MMY teaches, incidentally, is that experiences
during meditation, bad or good, are not particularly
important.  What's important is the effects in daily
life.

If your GF was meditating only for the experiences
during practice, she may actually not have been
meditating correctly--and that can have *negative*
effects in daily life.

 I've been in emergency services for 30 years Peter and have a great 
 deal of patience with people and so I really tried to be patient 
 with her but finally and again out of the blue she a
 announced Maharishi says we need to be celibate in order to 
 channel all our energies to our higher spiritual intellect.

Uh-oh...

 That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh 
 sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but 
 himreffering to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him 
 a lecherous womaniser. I know it was the wrong thing to say and the 
 conversation went down hill from there to include He's a liar a 
 cheat and a fraud. Thought I was going to have to call 911 myself 
 for backup.

Look, not to lay blame here, but did you ever consider
the possibility that there were some problems with your
sexual relationship, that what she was telling you was
the equivalent of Not now, dear, I have a headache?

I can imagine that if I had been you, I'd have felt
felt insulted and demeaned and might have struck back
in anger.

What I'm trying to get at is that it sounds to me as
though you're assigning *all* the problems with your
relationship to her commitment to TM and MMY, when in
fact there's a mixture of *different* issues, not all
of them necessarily hers.

From your description of her, though, it also sounds to
me as though her issues are pretty extreme, and that
she needs some professional help.  I doubt you'd be
likely to convince her she needs that help in any case,
but almost *certainly* not as long as you hold onto
your unrelievedly negative views of TM.

You're the more rational party at this point.  If you
really strongly want to be able to help her, it seems
to me, you need to acquire a more balanced view of TM
so you have a better idea of where she's coming from.
I don't have a lot of hope that you'll be successful,
but your coming to this forum suggests you still have
some motivation, that you're unwilling to just let it
end here.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter





on 8/12/06 9:50 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh 
sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering 
to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous 
womaniser. 

Read the Sexy Sadie file in the files section of FFL.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. 
 
 I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill.
 
 Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't 
 address the underlying root causes/demons etc. 
 
 But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your 
 problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more 
money 
 on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants.
 
 
 Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we 
 do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that 
 tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation 
 or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to 
 enlightment.
 
 So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and 
 give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach 
 true enlightment.

One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to
use a thorn to remove a thorn.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to 
overcome 
 them--ha, ha.
 
 I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed 
you'd 
 feel, and that is still why I continue the practice.  The concept 
of 
 enlightenment, whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as 
to be 
 meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a  place in my 
world 
 view  and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. 






...and what's really great about this point of view of Sal's is that 
if the concept of enlightenment actually does exist, she will get 
there just as fast as the TBer who does believe in the concept 
(actually, she'll probably get there faster than the TBer who in 
most cases doesn't practise the TM Program).






(Not 
 to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I 
find 
 most discussions of it kind of boring.  But others obviously 
don't, so 
 discuss away! :) )
 
 Sal
 
 
 On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote:
 
  Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which 
we
  do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS 
that
  tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or 
meditation
  or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to
  enlightment.
 
  So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation 
and
  give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one 
reach
  true enlightment.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons 
 unclewas@ wrote:
 
  Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. 
  
  I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy 
pill.
  
  Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it 
doesn't 
  address the underlying root causes/demons etc. 
  
  But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your 
  problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more 
 money 
  on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she 
wants.
  
  
  Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which 
we 
  do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS 
that 
  tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or 
meditation 
  or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to 
  enlightment.
  
  So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation 
and 
  give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one 
reach 
  true enlightment.
 
 One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to
 use a thorn to remove a thorn.


I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with 
a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't going 
to win friends and influence people...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons 
  unclewas@ wrote:
snip
   So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation 
   and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can 
   one reach true enlightment.
  
  One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to
  use a thorn to remove a thorn.
 
 I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with 
 a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't going 
 to win friends and influence people...

Did I say What MMY says is true?

Did you even understand the point I was making?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons 
   unclewas@ wrote:
 snip
So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up 
meditation 
and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How 
can 
one reach true enlightment.
   
   One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to
   use a thorn to remove a thorn.
  
  I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with 
  a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't 
going 
  to win friends and influence people...
 
 Did I say What MMY says is true?
 
 Did you even understand the point I was making?


What I said was partically tongue-in-cheek.  Relax.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bill,
 Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or 
 bipolarism?  Sounds like there is something more going on than just 
 defending MMY.  If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us 
 looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't.  And 
 those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are something I 
 have learned to avoid.  I find them scary.
 
 
I've got at least two problems that bring them about, and they may be related:

I have ADD and AD/HD people often have flashes of anger in order to focus. It's 
scary for 
them AND for the people around them.

I also have an anger management problem during allergy attacks. This may or may 
not be 
related to the AD/HD issue.

Intrestingly enough, I tend to have MORE anger-flashes when I'm regular in my 
program. I 
don't know if this is a sign of unsressing or simply a more efficient way to 
focus, however.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. 
 
 I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill.
 
 Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't 
 address the underlying root causes/demons etc. 
 
 But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your 
 problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money 
 on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants.
 

Nut this isn't what MMY says, anyway. Meditating more is for people who DON'T 
have 
problems and want to race towards enlightenment, or promote world peace,or 
both. 

The only meditating more advice for people with problems is to do an 
occassional 
weekend retreat to recharge one's batteries so to speak. MMY's model for 
gaining 
enlightenment is rest AND activity, not just rest.


 
 Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we 
 do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that 
 tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation 
 or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to 
 enlightment.
 
 So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and 
 give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach 
 true enlightment.


What do you tink enlightenment is, BTW?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to overcome 
 them--ha, ha.
 
 I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed you'd 
 feel, and that is still why I continue the practice.  The concept of 
 enlightenment, whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as to be 
 meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a  place in my world 
 view  and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. (Not 
 to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I find 
 most discussions of it kind of boring.  But others obviously don't, so 
 discuss away! :) )
 

Which is the healthiest possible attitude to take anyway, and the ideal, 
according to MMY.

OTOH, not having ANY idea of what some experience of CC might mean has its own 
drawbacks as well.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
You have probably already tried this, but are you working out really
hard?  Passive relaxation is not for everyone and can cause some of
the side effects you mention.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  Bill,
  Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or 
  bipolarism?  Sounds like there is something more going on than just 
  defending MMY.  If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us 
  looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't.  And 
  those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are
something I 
  have learned to avoid.  I find them scary.
  
  
 I've got at least two problems that bring them about, and they may
be related:
 
 I have ADD and AD/HD people often have flashes of anger in order to
focus. It's scary for 
 them AND for the people around them.
 
 I also have an anger management problem during allergy attacks. This
may or may not be 
 related to the AD/HD issue.
 
 Intrestingly enough, I tend to have MORE anger-flashes when I'm
regular in my program. I 
 don't know if this is a sign of unsressing or simply a more
efficient way to focus, however.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 You have probably already tried this, but are you working out really
 hard?  Passive relaxation is not for everyone and can cause some of
 the side effects you mention.
 

Gained weight quite a bit. I'm trying to work out more, but its har when you're 
100+ 
pounds overweight.

And I used to be a skiny, hyperactive kid and still had anger management 
problems at 
time. Most people don't believe I have anger-management problems when I tell 
them but 
the anger-flash thing is common amongst ADHD people. Its a coping mechanism: we 
get 
angry so we can focus.


 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
  
   Bill,
   Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or 
   bipolarism?  Sounds like there is something more going on than just 
   defending MMY.  If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us 
   looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't.  And 
   those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are
 something I 
   have learned to avoid.  I find them scary.
   
   
  I've got at least two problems that bring them about, and they may
 be related:
  
  I have ADD and AD/HD people often have flashes of anger in order to
 focus. It's scary for 
  them AND for the people around them.
  
  I also have an anger management problem during allergy attacks. This
 may or may not be 
  related to the AD/HD issue.
  
  Intrestingly enough, I tend to have MORE anger-flashes when I'm
 regular in my program. I 
  don't know if this is a sign of unsressing or simply a more
 efficient way to focus, however.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter

2006-08-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
I figured you had already tried everything.  It is amazing how age
makes weight gain so much easier. Amazing as in, sucks! I have a
standing desk for my computer in my place now to keep me off my butt
while working on my computer.  I saw this guy on TV who has his laptop
on his treadmill, he conducts all his business at one mile per hour! 
   I am trying to add more activity to my day since I play guitar
sitting and spend a lot of time on the computer.  Staying active is a
 constant struggle isn't it?Especially if you do a lot of computer
work.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  You have probably already tried this, but are you working out really
  hard?  Passive relaxation is not for everyone and can cause some of
  the side effects you mention.
  
 
 Gained weight quite a bit. I'm trying to work out more, but its har
when you're 100+ 
 pounds overweight.
 
 And I used to be a skiny, hyperactive kid and still had anger
management problems at 
 time. Most people don't believe I have anger-management problems
when I tell them but 
 the anger-flash thing is common amongst ADHD people. Its a coping
mechanism: we get 
 angry so we can focus.
 
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
salsunshine@ wrote:
   
Bill,
Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like
depression or 
bipolarism?  Sounds like there is something more going on than
just 
defending MMY.  If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many
of us 
looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't.
 And 
those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are
  something I 
have learned to avoid.  I find them scary.


   I've got at least two problems that bring them about, and they may
  be related:
   
   I have ADD and AD/HD people often have flashes of anger in order to
  focus. It's scary for 
   them AND for the people around them.
   
   I also have an anger management problem during allergy attacks. This
  may or may not be 
   related to the AD/HD issue.
   
   Intrestingly enough, I tend to have MORE anger-flashes when I'm
  regular in my program. I 
   don't know if this is a sign of unsressing or simply a more
  efficient way to focus, however.
  
 








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