[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life This may be the reason why she was the way she was. Don't project too much on the TMO as being responsible...I think she came with alot of baggage. led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. So if it wren't TM, it would be something else, I suspect. BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. If you distract her sufficiently, she may well skip a meditation or at least delay it until after the movie or dinner date, but feel physically lousy --isn't that the case? If so, that's not an addiction in the classic sense. Her body is simply used to having a certain state at a certain time. OTOH, if she insists on meditating for longer and longer periods of time, even though it is disrupting her life, then that's a classic addiction or at least compulsion scenario. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
*Definitely!* Hi, my name is Sal, and I'm a FF Life addict... All together now...HI, SAL!! Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:13 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Well, there's in my native language a proverb that goes like: Se koira älähtää, johon kalikka kalahtaa! (LOL!) I believe many languages have something similar, but I can't recall how that same idea is expressed in English. Anyways, a clumsy translation of the proverb above might be something like: That dog whines who gets hit by the stick. (In a literal translation like that the original rhythm and other such stuff gets lost.) Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Not yet but time will tell!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. So therefore, anyone who says they're not an addict of something *is* an addict, right? Because those who really *aren't* addicts would not say they weren't addicts. Instead, they'd say... ...er... On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? Double BTW, I was repeating why my professional counselor said to me when I commented that I was addicted to TM, and then described my addiction. he started, and then said thats not an addiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? Just part of my OCD. BTW, I go for days without meditating sometimes. I consider THAT to be a problem, not meditating too much. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? Double BTW, I was repeating why my professional counselor said to me when I commented that I was addicted to TM, and then described my addiction. he started, and then said thats not an addiction. Here's a list of behaviors associated with addiction. Some fit my association with TM and some don't, even during my most obsessive involvement and even when they do fit, do they really? http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/hints/addictiveb.html Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors There are many common characteristics among the various addictive behaviors: 1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, activity, or substance. OCD. Guitar, TM, posting on FFL, you name it. 2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behaivor even though it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers). A mixed bag. My FAMILY would instruct me to go meditate when I missed, so is it an addiction or a needed medical treatment that I found it important to set aside the time to do so, even if certain things suffered because of it. Or was it/is it a time-management problem alone? 3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and find it difficult to stop. I often fall asleep during TM. When I had mono,I fell asleep for many hours at a time. Is this an addictive behavior? 4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression. This happens with lots of different things, including sleeping regularly, eating regularly, etc. By itself, is it a sign of addiction? 5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). (They drink 6 beers when they only wanted one, buy 8 pairs of shoes when they only needed a belt, ate the whole box of cookies, etc). See above about the falling asleep thing. I find that often, I want to spring up AFTER program, rather than take the extrea few minutes at the end to come out of it. Is this addictive behavior or simply common sense to take that extra few minutes? 6. He/she often denies problems resulting from his/her engagement in the behavior, even though others can see the negative effects. My family is frustrated that my TM takes so long, but THEY notice when haven't done it... 7. Person hides the behavior after family or close friends have mentioned their concern. (hides food under beds, alcohol bottles in closets, doesn't show spouse credit card bills, etc). Not an issue. 8. Many individuals with addictive behaviors report a blackout for the time they were engaging in the behavior (don't remember how much or what they bought, how much the lost gambeling, how many miles they ran on a sore foot, what they did at the party when drinking) See above about falling asleep. 9.Depression is common in individuals with addictive behaviors. That is why it is important to make an appointment with a physician to find out what is going on. Addiction due to TM or TM addiction due to depression? 10. Individuals with addictive behaviors often have low self esteem, feel anxious if the do not have control over their environment, and come from psychologically or physically abusive families. See point #9. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. So therefore, anyone who says they're not an addict of something *is* an addict, right? Because those who really *aren't* addicts would not say they weren't addicts. Instead, they'd say... ...er... er indeed...so, the fallacy of your logic is .er not evident to you... [Or put more simply -- neither of your statements follow from mine.] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. So therefore, anyone who says they're not an addict of something *is* an addict, right? Because those who really *aren't* addicts would not say they weren't addicts. Instead, they'd say... ...er... er indeed...so, the fallacy of your logic is .er not evident to you... [Or put more simply -- neither of your statements follow from mine.] I don't think you quite got it. Let's try it this way: Most nonrecovering addicts will say the same thing Lawson said above, and therefore... ...what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. So therefore, anyone who says they're not an addict of something *is* an addict, right? Because those who really *aren't* addicts would not say they weren't addicts. Instead, they'd say... ...er... er indeed...so, the fallacy of your logic is .er not evident to you... [Or put more simply -- neither of your statements follow from mine.] I don't think you quite got it. Yep, I got it. Neither of your statements above follow from mine...same as before. Let's try it this way: Most nonrecovering addicts will say the same thing Lawson said above, and therefore... ...what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. So therefore, anyone who says they're not an addict of something *is* an addict, right? Because those who really *aren't* addicts would not say they weren't addicts. Instead, they'd say... ...er... er indeed...so, the fallacy of your logic is .er not evident to you... [Or put more simply -- neither of your statements follow from mine.] I don't think you quite got it. Yep, I got it. Neither of your statements above follow from mine...same as before. Ah, but you appear to have missed this part of my last post: Let's try it this way: Most nonrecovering addicts will say the same thing Lawson said above, and therefore... ...what? So tell us. Therefore what? What *does* follow from your statement? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
