[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[card]

FWIW, perhaps (straight?) men are genetically predisposed to
tell lies, especially sweet ones... :o



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
  snip
   Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
   a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
   the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
   It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
   the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
   grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
   it's what happens when one of the clique either
   suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
   decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
   barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
   it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
   People's Bench for a week.
  
  Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I
  like about you, you immediately get the references I am
  making, and still top it.
 
 Actually Barry knows there is no such thing as the solitary
 suicidal post-outs he describes. Bit of love-bombing there.
 
 snip
  The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say,
  throw a bone, and watch the dog gripping it. Don't
  convince by words, demonstrate. Start the dance, and then
  stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff
  employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it.
  Talking about detachment.
 
 LOL. Very little detachment around here, certainly none
 from Barry or khazana.
 
 snip
   Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
   phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
   talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
   power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
   onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
   apologies from others for offenses supposedly
   committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
   with that, too?
  
  Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an
  apology by anyone online.
 
 Oh, but you missed the point. Barry was referring to your
 pal Share, who constantly babbles about forgiveness.
 Nobody else here does that.
 
  So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that 
  epithet 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years
  ago, many years ago, that I think that it's something
  American to call each other Liar. I think its less of a sin
  to lie in Europe.
 
 Great, that's all we need, for lying to be considered less
 of a sin.
 
  I wrote it off to reflect something of American puritanism.
 
 Honesty = puritanism? That's a new one on me. But I can
 see why it would appeal to people like Barry and khazana
 (and Curtis and Vaj) to characterize honesty as puritanical.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[card]

Perhaps I ought to add that the lying gene probably
is located in the Y chromosome!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 FWIW, perhaps (straight?) men are genetically predisposed to
 tell lies, especially sweet ones... :o
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
   snip
Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
it's what happens when one of the clique either
suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
People's Bench for a week.
   
   Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I
   like about you, you immediately get the references I am
   making, and still top it.
  
  Actually Barry knows there is no such thing as the solitary
  suicidal post-outs he describes. Bit of love-bombing there.
  
  snip
   The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say,
   throw a bone, and watch the dog gripping it. Don't
   convince by words, demonstrate. Start the dance, and then
   stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff
   employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it.
   Talking about detachment.
  
  LOL. Very little detachment around here, certainly none
  from Barry or khazana.
  
  snip
Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
apologies from others for offenses supposedly
committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
with that, too?
   
   Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an
   apology by anyone online.
  
  Oh, but you missed the point. Barry was referring to your
  pal Share, who constantly babbles about forgiveness.
  Nobody else here does that.
  
   So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that 
   epithet 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years
   ago, many years ago, that I think that it's something
   American to call each other Liar. I think its less of a sin
   to lie in Europe.
  
  Great, that's all we need, for lying to be considered less
  of a sin.
  
   I wrote it off to reflect something of American puritanism.
  
  Honesty = puritanism? That's a new one on me. But I can
  see why it would appeal to people like Barry and khazana
  (and Curtis and Vaj) to characterize honesty as puritanical.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[card]

Hmmm... that's why most of the male lying takes place whilst lain???


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 Perhaps I ought to add that the lying gene probably
 is located in the Y chromosome!
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote:
 
  
  FWIW, perhaps (straight?) men are genetically predisposed to
  tell lies, especially sweet ones... :o
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

snip
 Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
 a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
 the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
 It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
 the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
 grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
 it's what happens when one of the clique either
 suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
 decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
 barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
 it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
 People's Bench for a week.

Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I
like about you, you immediately get the references I am
making, and still top it.
   
   Actually Barry knows there is no such thing as the solitary
   suicidal post-outs he describes. Bit of love-bombing there.
   
   snip
The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say,
throw a bone, and watch the dog gripping it. Don't
convince by words, demonstrate. Start the dance, and then
stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff
employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it.
Talking about detachment.
   
   LOL. Very little detachment around here, certainly none
   from Barry or khazana.
   
   snip
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
 apologies from others for offenses supposedly
 committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
 with that, too?

Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an
apology by anyone online.
   
   Oh, but you missed the point. Barry was referring to your
   pal Share, who constantly babbles about forgiveness.
   Nobody else here does that.
   
So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that 
epithet 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years
ago, many years ago, that I think that it's something
American to call each other Liar. I think its less of a sin
to lie in Europe.
   
   Great, that's all we need, for lying to be considered less
   of a sin.
   
I wrote it off to reflect something of American puritanism.
   
   Honesty = puritanism? That's a new one on me. But I can
   see why it would appeal to people like Barry and khazana
   (and Curtis and Vaj) to characterize honesty as puritanical.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[card]

Sorry, wrong tense? So, most male lying happens whilst lying???


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 Hmmm... that's why most of the male lying takes place whilst lain???
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps I ought to add that the lying gene probably
  is located in the Y chromosome!
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote:
  
   
   FWIW, perhaps (straight?) men are genetically predisposed to
   tell lies, especially sweet ones... :o
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I
 like about you, you immediately get the references I am
 making, and still top it.

Actually Barry knows there is no such thing as the solitary
suicidal post-outs he describes. Bit of love-bombing there.

snip
 The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say,
 throw a bone, and watch the dog gripping it. Don't
 convince by words, demonstrate. Start the dance, and then
 stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff
 employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it.
 Talking about detachment.

LOL. Very little detachment around here, certainly none
from Barry or khazana.

snip
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an
 apology by anyone online.

Oh, but you missed the point. Barry was referring to your
pal Share, who constantly babbles about forgiveness.
Nobody else here does that.

 So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that 
 epithet 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years
 ago, many years ago, that I think that it's something
 American to call each other Liar. I think its less of a sin
 to lie in Europe.

Great, that's all we need, for lying to be considered less
of a sin.

 I wrote it off to reflect something of American puritanism.

Honesty = puritanism? That's a new one on me. But I can
see why it would appeal to people like Barry and khazana
(and Curtis and Vaj) to characterize honesty as puritanical.
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I look forward instead to having actual no need to
  'win'...just having a fun discussion interactions 
  with people who have evolved past the level of 
  trying to establish dominance -- dominance of their
  egos, and dominance of their ideas. I look forward to
  khazana108 being back, because he gets that kind
  of interaction, and I look forward to similar inter-
  actions with other people here who have established
  a history of being able to maintain that kind of
  non-attached, non-argumentative real dialogue. 
 
 Thanks Barry, and so do I look forward having dialogues 
 with you. While I was away I read, once in a while (on 
 my phone), you, I read Xeno, I read Curtis, I read Share. 
 
 Who's really interested in the barking of a bit-bull, 
 in adolescent high school ramblings (we have some 
 specialists here), or endless drama queenerie about the 
 meaning of a single word? I guess FFL has become the 
 troll-dustbin of other forums by now.

Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
it's what happens when one of the clique either
suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
People's Bench for a week.

The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
psychological or sociological point of view is that
the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
turd offering is not even aimed at the person
it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
curry favor with other women (even if they're not
technically women, just acting like them) in their
clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
turds or something?  :-)

Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
apologies from others for offenses supposedly
committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
with that, too?

With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
found them interesting, and you might, too:

No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
- Raymond Chandler

Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
- Fritz Perls

Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
- Dashiell Hammett

She stomped out, spun on her heel and said that 
if I didn't apologize she'd never speak to me 
again. I thanked her for getting the point, and 
closed the door. 
- Raymond Chandler

It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 
The right sort of people do not want apologies, 
and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them. 
- P. G. Wodehouse

Apologies can never be demanded, they're only 
apologies if they're offered freely. 
- some Buddha or another 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest...

Speaking of 'interesting psychological/sociological
phenomena', I guess it's an official debate defeat
declaration when a troll posts the F.O.A.D. acronym.


The Master- Baiter has left the room!

I'm pretty sure this won't be lost on Judy - it's the
TurquoiseB  posting the 'death wishes' to FFL
participants. Go figure.

You've got to admit, posting FOAD is a pretty wierd
thing to say after posting an 'An empathy test you
can take'. LoL!!!

322718 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/322718

F.O.A.D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.O.A.D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.O.A.D .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[oxcart49]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I look forward instead to having actual no need to
   'win'...just having a fun discussion interactions 
   with people who have evolved past the level of 
   trying to establish dominance -- dominance of their
   egos, and dominance of their ideas. I look forward to
   khazana108 being back, because he gets that kind
   of interaction, and I look forward to similar inter-
   actions with other people here who have established
   a history of being able to maintain that kind of
   non-attached, non-argumentative real dialogue. 
  
  Thanks Barry, and so do I look forward having dialogues 
  with you. While I was away I read, once in a while (on 
  my phone), you, I read Xeno, I read Curtis, I read Share. 
  
  Who's really interested in the barking of a bit-bull, 
  in adolescent high school ramblings (we have some 
  specialists here), or endless drama queenerie about the 
  meaning of a single word? I guess FFL has become the 
  troll-dustbin of other forums by now.
 
 Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
 a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
 the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.

Is this a patented Barry phenomenon or something I should have already known 
about?

 It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
 the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
 grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
 it's what happens when one of the clique either
 suffers from poor impulse control

Is this related to bladder or bowel control?

 or consciously
 decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
 barb at the Common Enemy,

What are those smudges on your shirt there, looks and smells a bit like 
excrement to me.

 even though they know that
 it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
 People's Bench for a week.

Are they stupid to take a break from this joint or just stupid because they 
can't count?
 
 The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
 psychological or sociological point of view is that
 the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
 who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. 

Now they're throwing turds not just landing in them, okay...

So the
 turd offering is not even aimed at the person
 it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
 curry favor with other women (even if they're not
 technically women, just acting like them)

What are they acting like, men? So what's your point?

 in their
 clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
 turds or something?  :-)

More likely the ones on the receiving end of the turds would be likely to be 
collecting. The throwers are obviously ridding themselves of them. Get it 
straight man. But enough of this turd/scatological talk.
 
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
 apologies from others for offenses supposedly
 committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
 with that, too?

Haven't noticed.
 
 With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
 found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
 found them interesting, and you might, too:
 
 No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
 - Raymond Chandler
 
 Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
 and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
 - Fritz Perls
 
 Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
 They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
 a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
 pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
 financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
 you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
 - Dashiell Hammett
 
 She stomped out, spun on her heel and said that 
 if I didn't apologize she'd never speak to me 
 again. I thanked her for getting the point, and 
 closed the door. 
 - Raymond Chandler
 
 It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 
 The right sort of people do not want apologies, 
 and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them. 
 - P. G. Wodehouse
 
 Apologies can never be demanded, they're only 
 apologies if they're offered freely. 
 - some Buddha or another

Apology is only egotism wrong side out.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

I can wholeheartedly apologize for not being at all sorry. And it really is 
the least I can do.

But it appears Barry can't even do that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
 Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
 a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
 the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
 It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
 the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
 grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
 it's what happens when one of the clique either
 suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
 decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
 barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
 it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
 People's Bench for a week.

 The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
 psychological or sociological point of view is that
 the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
 who isn't even reading the thrower's posts.

The *really* fascinating thing is that in this case,
Ann was responding to a post from Barry in which
he put her down for having commented *on his reply
to one of her posts*.

snip
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power

Oh, Barry must mean Share.

 are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
 apologies from others for offenses supposedly
 committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
 with that, too?

Surely not our dear Share! khazana, you need to set
Barry straight on this right away.

Or, of course, you could just go the Curtis route.

 With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
 found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
 found them interesting, and you might, too:

Here's one I found:

A classic. Seeing this flash by in Message View, I had
to open the post because I couldn't for the life of me
figure out from Message View which recent post of mine
had so incensed Ann to cause her to write this. Imagine
my non-surprise to find that I'd never even been a part
of the thread to which she is replying. It's gettin'
pretty bad when the haters can't even tell who it is
they're hating any more.

Will we ever see an apology for this?

Yeah, right.

--Barry, 10/5/12

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/322018

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oxcart49 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
I look forward instead to having actual no need to
'win'...just having a fun discussion interactions 
with people who have evolved past the level of 
trying to establish dominance -- dominance of their
egos, and dominance of their ideas. I look forward to
khazana108 being back, because he gets that kind
of interaction, and I look forward to similar inter-
actions with other people here who have established
a history of being able to maintain that kind of
non-attached, non-argumentative real dialogue. 
   
   Thanks Barry, and so do I look forward having dialogues 
   with you. While I was away I read, once in a while (on 
   my phone), you, I read Xeno, I read Curtis, I read Share. 
   
   Who's really interested in the barking of a bit-bull, 
   in adolescent high school ramblings (we have some 
   specialists here), or endless drama queenerie about the 
   meaning of a single word? I guess FFL has become the 
   troll-dustbin of other forums by now.
  
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
 
 Is this a patented Barry phenomenon or something I should have already known 
 about?
 
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control
 
 Is this related to bladder or bowel control?
 
  or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy,
 
 What are those smudges on your shirt there, looks and smells a bit like 
 excrement to me.
 
  even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Are they stupid to take a break from this joint or just stupid because they 
 can't count?
  
  The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
  psychological or sociological point of view is that
  the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
  who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. 
 
 Now they're throwing turds not just landing in them, okay...
 
 So the
  turd offering is not even aimed at the person
  it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
  curry favor with other women (even if they're not
  technically women, just acting like them)
 
 What are they acting like, men? So what's your point?
 
  in their
  clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
  turds or something?  :-)
 
 More likely the ones on the receiving end of the turds would be likely to be 
 collecting. The throwers are obviously ridding themselves of them. Get it 
 straight man. But enough of this turd/scatological talk.
  
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Haven't noticed.
  
  With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
  found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
  found them interesting, and you might, too:
  
  No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
  - Raymond Chandler
  
  Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
  and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
  - Fritz Perls
  
  Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
  They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
  a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
  pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
  financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
  you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
  - Dashiell Hammett
  
  She stomped out, spun on her heel and said that 
  if I didn't apologize she'd never speak to me 
  again. I thanked her for getting the point, and 
  closed the door. 
  - Raymond Chandler
  
  It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 
  The right sort of people do not want apologies, 
  and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them. 
  - P. G. Wodehouse
  
  Apologies can never be demanded, they're only 
  apologies if they're offered freely. 
  - some Buddha or another
 
 Apology is only egotism wrong side out.
 Oliver Wendell Holmes
 
 I can wholeheartedly apologize for not being at all sorry. And it really is 
 the least I can do.
 
 But it appears Barry can't even do that.
 
 

Barry has a passion for...well, let's just say he picks up what others leave 
off. He spreads true beauty all over FFLife in small neat piles.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[khazana108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

snip

 Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
 a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
 the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
 It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
 the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
 grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
 it's what happens when one of the clique either
 suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
 decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
 barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
 it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
 People's Bench for a week.

Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, you 
immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.

Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a blessing. 
Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I really like it. 
IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per week. 

Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I am a 
foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle (from 
movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I was, in 
India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small nod or 
hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman knows what 
you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that are evident.

The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about detachment.

Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished about 
chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, you are 
talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs relational 
amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that creatively 
describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, interesting 
read.

 The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
 psychological or sociological point of view is that
 the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
 who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
 turd offering is not even aimed at the person
 it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
 curry favor with other women (even if they're not
 technically women, just acting like them) in their
 clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
 turds or something?  :-)
 
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
 apologies from others for offenses supposedly
 committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
 with that, too?

Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an apology by anyone 
online. So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that epithet 
'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years ago, many years ago, that I 
think that it's something American to call each other Liar. I think its less of 
a sin to lie in Europe.  I wrote it off to reflect something of American 
puritanism. I don't say, that people should lie or anything, it just strikes me 
as an attribute  Americans use more likely to denounce others than Europeans 
for example. Just sayin..



 With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
 found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
 found them interesting, and you might, too:
 
 No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
 - Raymond Chandler
 
 Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
 and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
 - Fritz Perls
 
 Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
 They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
 a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
 pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
 financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
 you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
 - Dashiell Hammett
 
 She stomped out, spun on her heel and said that 
 if I didn't apologize she'd never speak to me 
 again. I thanked her for getting the point, and 
 closed the door. 
 - Raymond Chandler
 
 It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 
 The right sort of people do not want apologies, 
 and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them. 
 - P. G. Wodehouse
 
 Apologies can never be demanded, they're only 
 apologies if they're offered freely. 
 - some Buddha or another

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
 
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, 
 you immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.
 
 Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a blessing. 
 Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I really like 
 it. IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per week. 
 
 Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I am 
 a foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle (from 
 movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I was, in 
 India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small nod or 
 hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman knows 
 what you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that are 
 evident.
 
 The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
 watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
 dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
 employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about detachment.
 
 Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
 book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished about 
 chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, you are 
 talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs 
 relational amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that 
 creatively describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, 
 interesting read.
 
  The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
  psychological or sociological point of view is that
  the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
  who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
  turd offering is not even aimed at the person
  it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
  curry favor with other women (even if they're not
  technically women, just acting like them) in their
  clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
  turds or something?  :-)
  
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an apology by anyone 
 online. So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that epithet 
 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years ago, many years ago, that 
 I think that it's something American to call each other Liar. I think its 
 less of a sin to lie in Europe.  I wrote it off to reflect something of 
 American puritanism. I don't say, that people should lie or anything, it just 
 strikes me as an attribute  Americans use more likely to denounce others than 
 Europeans for example. Just sayin..
 

Just to be clear, in Europe if I said, khazana sucks Barry's cock, no one 
would call me a liar and you would be O.K. with that. 
 
 
  With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
  found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
  found them interesting, and you might, too:
  
  No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
  - Raymond Chandler
  
  Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
  and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
  - Fritz Perls
  
  Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
  They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
  a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
  pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
  financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
  you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
  - Dashiell Hammett
  
  She stomped out, spun on her heel and said that 
  if I didn't apologize she'd never speak to me 
  again. I thanked her for getting the point, and 
  closed the door. 
  - Raymond Chandler
  
  It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 
  The right sort of people do not want apologies, 
  and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[Share Long]

Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and lying and 
Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my head when I read 
that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an older, somewhat more mature 
culture.  And so they are able to recognize that truth is often a multi faceted 
reality that might not be so easy to discern.  And even less easy to describe 
with words.  Does that make any sense?


 From: khazana108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

snip

 Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
 a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
 the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
 It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
 the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
 grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
 it's what happens when one of the clique either
 suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
 decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
 barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
 it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
 People's Bench for a week.

Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, you 
immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.

Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a blessing. 
Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I really like it. 
IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per week. 

Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I am a 
foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle (from 
movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I was, in 
India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small nod or 
hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman knows what 
you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that are evident.

The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about detachment.

Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished about 
chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, you are 
talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs relational 
amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that creatively 
describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, interesting 
read.

 The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
 psychological or sociological point of view is that
 the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
 who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
 turd offering is not even aimed at the person
 it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
 curry favor with other women (even if they're not
 technically women, just acting like them) in their
 clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
 turds or something?  :-)
 
 Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
 phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
 talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
 power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
 onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
 apologies from others for offenses supposedly
 committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
 with that, too?

Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an apology by anyone 
online. So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that epithet 
'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years ago, many years ago, that I 
think that it's something American to call each other Liar. I think its less of 
a sin to lie in Europe.  I wrote it off to reflect something of American 
puritanism. I don't say, that people should lie or anything, it just strikes me 
as an attribute  Americans use more likely to denounce others than Europeans 
for example. Just sayin..

 With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
 found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
 found them interesting, and you might, too:
 
 No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
 - Raymond Chandler
 
 Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
 and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
 - Fritz Perls
 
 Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
 They are declaring their intention to hold onto 
 a grudge, whether real ore imaginary, until you 
 pay their ransom. The thing is, just as with 
 financial extortionists, if you pay the ransom 
 you're just inviting the next attempt at extortion. 
 - Dashiell Hammett
 
 She

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and lying 
 and Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my head when I 
 read that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an older, somewhat more 
 mature culture.  And so they are able to recognize that truth is often a 
 multi faceted reality that might not be so easy to discern.  And even less 
 easy to describe with words.  Does that make any sense?
 

Mature cultures have developed an affection for Pinocchio. The woodworker, 
Geppetto being an immigrant from the Old Country, probably Italy, was clueless 
that a wish for his wooden puppet, Pinocchio, to come a real boy, Pinocchio 
would needed a conscience.
The Blue Fairy told Pinocchio that to become a real boy he had to be brave, 
truthful and unselfish and able to tell right from wrong by listening to his 
conscience. Good advice for anyone, IMO. Since, Pinocchio didn't understand 
what a conscience was and Geppetto being steeped in the tradition of Europeans 
playing loosey goosey with the truth, it took an American Cricket, Jiminy 
Cricket, to teach Pinocchio about having a conscience. Thank goodness for the 
Jiminy crickets of FFLife. 

After all, as the Blue Fairy explained to Pinocchio,a lie will keep growing 
and growing, until it's as plain as the nose on your face as well as the in 
archives of FFLife.

 
  From: khazana108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
 
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, 
 you immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.
 
 Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a blessing. 
 Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I really like 
 it. IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per week. 
 
 Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I am 
 a foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle (from 
 movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I was, in 
 India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small nod or 
 hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman knows 
 what you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that are 
 evident.
 
 The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
 watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
 dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
 employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about detachment.
 
 Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
 book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished about 
 chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, you are 
 talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs 
 relational amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that 
 creatively describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, 
 interesting read.
 
  The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
  psychological or sociological point of view is that
  the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
  who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
  turd offering is not even aimed at the person
  it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
  curry favor with other women (even if they're not
  technically women, just acting like them) in their
  clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
  turds or something?  :-)
  
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an apology by anyone 
 online. So I don't really understand it. It's the same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108 no_reply@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I
 like about you, you immediately get the references I am
 making, and still top it.

Actually Barry knows there is no such thing as the solitary
suicidal post-outs he describes. Bit of love-bombing there.

snip
 The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say,
 throw a bone, and watch the dog gripping it. Don't
 convince by words, demonstrate. Start the dance, and then
 stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff
 employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it.
 Talking about detachment.

LOL. Very little detachment around here, certainly none
from Barry or khazana.

snip
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an
 apology by anyone online.

Oh, but you missed the point. Barry was referring to your
pal Share, who constantly babbles about forgiveness.
Nobody else here does that.

 So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that 
 epithet 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years
 ago, many years ago, that I think that it's something
 American to call each other Liar. I think its less of a sin
 to lie in Europe.

Great, that's all we need, for lying to be considered less
of a sin.

 I wrote it off to reflect something of American puritanism.

Honesty = puritanism? That's a new one on me. But I can
see why it would appeal to people like Barry and khazana
(and Curtis and Vaj) to characterize honesty as puritanical.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[oxcart49]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and lying 
  and Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my head when 
  I read that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an older, somewhat 
  more mature culture.  And so they are able to recognize that truth is 
  often a multi faceted reality that might not be so easy to discern.  And 
  even less easy to describe with words.  Does that make any sense?
  
 
 Mature cultures have developed an affection for Pinocchio. The woodworker, 
 Geppetto being an immigrant from the Old Country, probably Italy, was 
 clueless that a wish for his wooden puppet, Pinocchio, to come a real boy, 
 Pinocchio would needed a conscience.
 The Blue Fairy told Pinocchio that to become a real boy he had to be brave, 
 truthful and unselfish and able to tell right from wrong by listening to his 
 conscience. Good advice for anyone, IMO. Since, Pinocchio didn't understand 
 what a conscience was and Geppetto being steeped in the tradition of 
 Europeans playing loosey goosey with the truth, it took an American Cricket, 
 Jiminy Cricket, to teach Pinocchio about having a conscience. Thank goodness 
 for the Jiminy crickets of FFLife. 
 
 After all, as the Blue Fairy explained to Pinocchio,a lie will keep growing 
 and growing, until it's as plain as the nose on your face as well as the in 
 archives of FFLife.

Raunchy, I love you, will you marry me?
 
  
   From: khazana108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:23 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.
   
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
  snip
  
   Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
   a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
   the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
   It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
   the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
   grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
   it's what happens when one of the clique either
   suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
   decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
   barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
   it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
   People's Bench for a week.
  
  Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, 
  you immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.
  
  Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a 
  blessing. Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I 
  really like it. IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per 
  week. 
  
  Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I 
  am a foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle 
  (from movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I 
  was, in India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small 
  nod or hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman 
  knows what you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that 
  are evident.
  
  The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
  watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
  dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
  employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about 
  detachment.
  
  Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
  book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished 
  about chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, 
  you are talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs 
  relational amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that 
  creatively describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, 
  interesting read.
  
   The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
   psychological or sociological point of view is that
   the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
   who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
   turd offering is not even aimed at the person
   it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
   curry favor with other women (even if they're not
   technically women, just acting like them) in their
   clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
   turds or something?  :-)
   
   Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
   phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
   talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
   power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
   onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
   apologies from others for offenses

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[oxcart49]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and lying 
 and Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my head when I 
 read that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an older, somewhat more 
 mature culture.  And so they are able to recognize that truth is often a 
 multi faceted reality that might not be so easy to discern.  And even less 
 easy to describe with words.  Does that make any sense?

I don't think so but, then, I'm not European.
 
 
  From: khazana108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.
  
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
 
  Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
  a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
  the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
  It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
  the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
  grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
  it's what happens when one of the clique either
  suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
  decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
  barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
  it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
  People's Bench for a week.
 
 Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about you, 
 you immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.
 
 Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a blessing. 
 Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I really like 
 it. IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per week. 
 
 Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I am 
 a foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle (from 
 movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I was, in 
 India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a small nod or 
 hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea man/woman knows 
 what you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about things that are 
 evident.
 
 The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, and 
 watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. Start the 
 dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique Gurdjieff 
 employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking about detachment.
 
 Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw Ramas 
 book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only finished about 
 chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in the book, you are 
 talking about. For example there is a chapter about hierarchical vs 
 relational amongst other things. It seems to be one of those books, that 
 creatively describe spiritual principles in a fictional story line. Anyway, 
 interesting read.
 
  The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
  psychological or sociological point of view is that
  the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
  who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
  turd offering is not even aimed at the person
  it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
  curry favor with other women (even if they're not
  technically women, just acting like them) in their
  clique. What's up with that? Do they *collect*
  turds or something?  :-)
  
  Speaking of interesting psychological/sociological
  phenomena, have you ever noticed that folks who
  talk the most about forgiveness and its healing
  power are coincidentally the same folks who hold
  onto grudges the longest, and keep demanding 
  apologies from others for offenses supposedly
  committed weeks, months, or years ago? What's up
  with that, too?
 
 Now, I don't know, but I myself never asked or demanded an apology by anyone 
 online. So I don't really understand it. It's the same with that epithet 
 'Liar'.  I just don't get it. I have written years ago, many years ago, that 
 I think that it's something American to call each other Liar. I think its 
 less of a sin to lie in Europe.  I wrote it off to reflect something of 
 American puritanism. I don't say, that people should lie or anything, it just 
 strikes me as an attribute  Americans use more likely to denounce others than 
 Europeans for example. Just sayin..
 
  With this in mind, here are a number of quotes I
  found with regard to apology, or apologizing. I 
  found them interesting, and you might, too:
  
  No one who demands an apology deserves one. 
  - Raymond Chandler
  
  Demanding an apology is an attempt to prolong 
  and escalate a disagreement, not diffuse it. 
  - Fritz Perls
  
  Anyone demanding an apology is an extortionist. 
  They are declaring their intention to hold onto

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oxcart49 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and 
   lying and Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my 
   head when I read that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an 
   older, somewhat more mature culture.  And so they are able to recognize 
   that truth is often a multi faceted reality that might not be so easy to 
   discern.  And even less easy to describe with words.  Does that make 
   any sense?
   
  
  Mature cultures have developed an affection for Pinocchio. The woodworker, 
  Geppetto being an immigrant from the Old Country, probably Italy, was 
  clueless that a wish for his wooden puppet, Pinocchio, to come a real boy, 
  Pinocchio would needed a conscience.
  The Blue Fairy told Pinocchio that to become a real boy he had to be brave, 
  truthful and unselfish and able to tell right from wrong by listening to 
  his conscience. Good advice for anyone, IMO. Since, Pinocchio didn't 
  understand what a conscience was and Geppetto being steeped in the 
  tradition of Europeans playing loosey goosey with the truth, it took an 
  American Cricket, Jiminy Cricket, to teach Pinocchio about having a 
  conscience. Thank goodness for the Jiminy crickets of FFLife. 
  
  After all, as the Blue Fairy explained to Pinocchio,a lie will keep 
  growing and growing, until it's as plain as the nose on your face as well 
  as the in archives of FFLife.
 
 Raunchy, I love you, will you marry me?

Of course I will, Oxcart. Any fiend of Jiminy Cricket is a friend of mine.

http://blog.socialprize.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/disney-jiminy-cricket-wish-upon-a-star.jpg

  
   
From: khazana108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:23 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

   
     
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
   snip
   
Although, you have to admit that it's amusing from
a psychology/sociology point of view. I'm amused by
the phenomenon I call throwing oneself on the turd.
It's similar to that staple of war movies in which
the hero (soon to be ex-hero) throws himself on the
grenade to save his buddies, but in the FFL version
it's what happens when one of the clique either
suffers from poor impulse control or consciously
decides to sacrifice themselves to get in one last
barb at the Common Enemy, even though they know that
it'll cause them to post out and sit on the Stupid
People's Bench for a week.
   
   Ha ha, you mean solitary suicidal post-outs? That's what I like about 
   you, you immediately get the references I am making, and still top it.
   
   Actually, thinking about the post-out, I realize that it's really a 
   blessing. Doesn't it add an additional dimension to the FFL soap opera? I 
   really like it. IMO the bar could be lowered to about 30 to 35 posts per 
   week. 
   
   Generally speaking, I am not in favor of too many words. Maybe because  I 
   am a foreigner, and a slow typer at that. But I also like the principle 
   (from movies): Don't say, show it. I like it generally in life. Where I 
   was, in India, that's a way of communicating. Just looking, giving a 
   small nod or hand-sign, and doing. When you go to the tea shop, the tea 
   man/woman knows what you want, it just gives it to you. No big fuss about 
   things that are evident.
   
   The same can apply here. Just use few words, as you say, throw a bone, 
   and watch the dog gripping it. Don't convince by words, demonstrate. 
   Start the dance, and then stop in the middle of it. This is a technique 
   Gurdjieff employed. Give the attention, and then withdraw it. Talking 
   about detachment.
   
   Btw. in one of the guest houses in India, at the end of my trip I saw 
   Ramas book (surfing the Himalayas) and started to read a bit. I only 
   finished about chapter 4, but I noticed, that there were many topics in 
   the book, you are talking about. For example there is a chapter about 
   hierarchical vs relational amongst other things. It seems to be one of 
   those books, that creatively describe spiritual principles in a fictional 
   story line. Anyway, interesting read.
   
The fascinating thing about this phenomenon from a
psychological or sociological point of view is that
the last steaming turd is often thrown at someone
who isn't even reading the thrower's posts. So the
turd offering is not even aimed at the person
it's supposedly thrown at. Instead it's thrown to
curry favor with other women (even if they're not
technically women, just acting like them) in their
clique. What's up with that? Do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oxcart49 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Hey, Khazana, very interesting what you're saying about Americans and 
   lying and Puritanism.  Here was the first thought that popped into my 
   head when I read that paragraph:  that Europeans are abiding in an 
   older, somewhat more mature culture.  And so they are able to recognize 
   that truth is often a multi faceted reality that might not be so easy to 
   discern.  And even less easy to describe with words.  Does that make 
   any sense?
   
  
  Mature cultures have developed an affection for Pinocchio. The woodworker, 
  Geppetto being an immigrant from the Old Country, probably Italy, was 
  clueless that a wish for his wooden puppet, Pinocchio, to come a real boy, 
  Pinocchio would needed a conscience.
  The Blue Fairy told Pinocchio that to become a real boy he had to be brave, 
  truthful and unselfish and able to tell right from wrong by listening to 
  his conscience. Good advice for anyone, IMO. Since, Pinocchio didn't 
  understand what a conscience was and Geppetto being steeped in the 
  tradition of Europeans playing loosey goosey with the truth, it took an 
  American Cricket, Jiminy Cricket, to teach Pinocchio about having a 
  conscience. Thank goodness for the Jiminy crickets of FFLife. 
  
  After all, as the Blue Fairy explained to Pinocchio,a lie will keep 
  growing and growing, until it's as plain as the nose on your face as well 
  as the in archives of FFLife.
 
 Raunchy, I love you, will you marry me?
  

Of course I will, Oxcart. Any friend of Jiminy Cricket is a friend of mine.
http://blog.socialprize.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/disney-jiminy-cricket-wish-upon-a-star.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Yesterday, because I was in a silly mood,

I would so love to see Barry in a silly mood, how refreshing would that be? 
Very.

 I decided
 to make an exception to my Do Not Bother To Read rule
 and reply to several people here...as an experiment.
 Trying to capture it in a haiku, this is what I came
 up with:
 
 Throwing four dogs 
 an attention bone
 then waiting to see 
 what happens
 
 What I expected to happen happened. 

Of course it did, that is a well-known fact. The observer can only observe the 
outcome of a thing based on their preconceptions of what that outcome will be. 
They are limited by their expectations, they become incapable of opening 
themselves up enough to allow an unexpected event to be understood or observed. 
In fact, most often the one with the greatest preconceived notions sees the 
least. I don't think of you as a willing or open vessel so your conclusion that 
you were right about what would happen is hardly surprising.
 
 They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 

God, imagine that!

 and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
 an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
 of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
 is not to be. :-) 

No, no, never. (By the way, could you possibly come up with another metaphor 
sometime soon? Not all of us possess dicks and I am starting to feel a little 
inadequate and I don't like that feeling, not one bit.)
 
 They all went back on the DNR list immediately after 
 my experiment, and I haven't bothered to read any of
 their followups, except to note in Message View that
 they made them.

So there, stomping his small foot and folding his arms, glaring at the group.
 
 This explanation -- that I was inviting them to 
 *demonstrate* WHY one shouldn't bother with them --
 will in all likelihood not reach them. They'll ignore 
 it, pretend that I'm really engaged in some kind of
 dialogue or argument with them, and continue to 
 imagine that they're not only engaged in some kind 
 of duel with me to establish dominance, but that
 they're winning it.

Says Barry continuing to live in a world of his own making, complete with what 
the room smells like, the colour of the wallpaper, the kind of carpet under his 
feet.
 
 THAT is exactly why I don't bother with them. THAT
 is why they're on my DNR list, and shall remain there.

Still glowering and stamping his foot.
 
 Life's too short to bother to interact with people
 who have established a history of trying to turn every
 interaction on this forum into some kind of imaginary
 contest that they can win. Let them do this with
 people who like that kinda stuff. I don't. 

But not too short to write about them, incessantly.
 
 I look forward instead to having actual no need to
 'win'...just having a fun discussion

There is always Pablum Wednesdays. Just find something to do the other 6 days 
and you'll be safe.

 interactions 
 with people who have evolved past the level of 
 trying to establish dominance -- dominance of their
 egos, and dominance of their ideas. I look forward to
 khazana108 being back, because he gets that kind
 of interaction, and I look forward to similar inter-
 actions with other people here who have established
 a history of being able to maintain that kind of
 non-attached, non-argumentative real dialogue. 

You can find a way to create an argument better than anyone, dear boy. Just 
when someone starts to think they can engage in a fun discussion with you, 
you take the sledge hammer from behind your back and whack 'em. I've seen it, 
I've felt it. 
 
 And I leave the world of *imaginary* dialogues -- 
 the kind that exist only inside the heads of those 
 stuck in them -- to those stuck there. May they 
 win these imaginary arguments all they want, and
 declare victory all they want. They're talking to
 no one except themselves, and those silly enough
 to listen.

Or those silly enough to keep writing about these silly people. Now silly, it 
is time for a nap, and remember those yellow pills in the cup as you turn off 
your computer. And there are no hand jobs for you today, the nurses are wise to 
your tricks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
 They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
 and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
 an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
 of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
 is not to be. :-)

Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
  and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
  an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
  of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
  is not to be. :-)
 
 Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
 several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
 came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
 that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
 nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
 I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
 more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.

Dear Judy, I have to disagree with you here. I highly doubt it is big enough to 
actually swing. My calculation would describe it as making very small 
circular motions held by a thumb and forefinger. On a good day it might wave, 
but that would be about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
  and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
  an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
  of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
  is not to be. :-)
 
 Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
 several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
 came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
 that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
 nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
 I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
 more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.


Ha! Although horrifyingly auto erotic, that's something I'd like to see.  
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2190096/82160832.jpg 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
   and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
   an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
   of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
   is not to be. :-)
  
  Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
  several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
  came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
  that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
  nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
  I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
  more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.
 
 Dear Judy, I have to disagree with you here. I highly doubt
 it is big enough to actually swing. My calculation would
 describe it as making very small circular motions held by a
 thumb and forefinger. On a good day it might wave, but that
 would be about it.

Well, but bear in mind this was a translation from the
Barrylish and reflects Barry's perceptions. For him,
small circular motions or waves are as close to swinging
as it gets. We have to allow him to save a little bit of
dick--er, face--in the terms he uses to describe his
equipment to himself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   snip
They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
is not to be. :-)
   
   Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
   several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
   came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
   that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
   nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
   I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
   more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.
  
  Dear Judy, I have to disagree with you here. I highly doubt
  it is big enough to actually swing. My calculation would
  describe it as making very small circular motions held by a
  thumb and forefinger. On a good day it might wave, but that
  would be about it.
 
 Well, but bear in mind this was a translation from the
 Barrylish and reflects Barry's perceptions. For him,
 small circular motions or waves are as close to swinging
 as it gets. We have to allow him to save a little bit of
 dick--er, face--in the terms he uses to describe his
 equipment to himself.


I think he meant there was no swing. Just a reminder, a cold encounter from the 
granite counter sink as he leans forward to brush his teeth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
snip
 They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
 and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
 an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
 of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
 is not to be. :-)

Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.
   
   Dear Judy, I have to disagree with you here. I highly doubt
   it is big enough to actually swing. My calculation would
   describe it as making very small circular motions held by a
   thumb and forefinger. On a good day it might wave, but that
   would be about it.
  
  Well, but bear in mind this was a translation from the
  Barrylish and reflects Barry's perceptions. For him,
  small circular motions or waves are as close to swinging
  as it gets. We have to allow him to save a little bit of
  dick--er, face--in the terms he uses to describe his
  equipment to himself.
 
 
 I think he meant there was no swing. Just a reminder, a cold encounter from 
 the granite counter sink as he leans forward to brush his teeth.

Yeah. Shrinkage.
http://youtu.be/8DoARSlv-HU

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[khazana108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:


 I look forward instead to having actual no need to
 'win'...just having a fun discussion interactions 
 with people who have evolved past the level of 
 trying to establish dominance -- dominance of their
 egos, and dominance of their ideas. I look forward to
 khazana108 being back, because he gets that kind
 of interaction, and I look forward to similar inter-
 actions with other people here who have established
 a history of being able to maintain that kind of
 non-attached, non-argumentative real dialogue. 

Thanks Barry, and so do I look forward having dialogues with you. While I was 
away I read, once in a while (on my phone), you, I read Xeno, I read Curtis, I 
read Share. 

Who's really interested in the barking of a bit-bull, in adolescent high school 
ramblings (we have some specialists here), or endless drama queenerie about the 
meaning of a single word? I guess FFL has become the troll-dustbin of other 
forums by now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
  and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
  an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
  of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
  is not to be. :-)
 
 Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
 several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
 came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
 that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
 nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
 I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
 more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.

Dear Judy, I have to disagree with you here. I highly doubt
it is big enough to actually swing. My calculation would
describe it as making very small circular motions held by a
thumb and forefinger. On a good day it might wave, but that
would be about it.
   
   Well, but bear in mind this was a translation from the
   Barrylish and reflects Barry's perceptions. For him,
   small circular motions or waves are as close to swinging
   as it gets. We have to allow him to save a little bit of
   dick--er, face--in the terms he uses to describe his
   equipment to himself.
  
  
  I think he meant there was no swing. Just a reminder, a cold encounter from 
  the granite counter sink as he leans forward to brush his teeth.
 
 Yeah. Shrinkage.
 http://youtu.be/8DoARSlv-HU


Heh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[Jason]

 
  --- , turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
   and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
   an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
   of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
   is not to be. :-)
  
  
 ---  authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
  several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
  came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
  that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
  nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
  I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
  more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.
 
 
---  raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 Ha! Although horrifyingly auto erotic, that's something I'd like to see.  
 http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2190096/82160832.jpg


Don't you think it's bad anology to use when having an 
intellectual boxing match with three Tigresses?

His obsession with comparative d**k sizes and contests is 
most disconcerting.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 
 
  
   --- , turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   snip
They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, 
and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued 
an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind 
of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This 
is not to be. :-)
   
   
  ---  authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at
   several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they
   came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns
   that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to
   nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but
   I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any
   more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face.
  
  
 ---  raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  Ha! Although horrifyingly auto erotic, that's something I'd like to see.  
  http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2190096/82160832.jpg
 
 
 Don't you think it's bad anology to use when having an 
 intellectual boxing match with three Tigresses?
 
 His obsession with comparative d**k sizes and contests is 
 most disconcerting.


It's O.K. Jason, we can handle it.