[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. Seems to me that he has. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Of course, people change their minds, and actually, the Ayurvedic recommendations are flexable enough that you STILL have to make up your mind about what to eat. of course, a simple non-religious meditation technique can be changed to a religion, too. Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/5/06 4:26:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. M used to say what you should eat is not my message, TM is my message. How has that changed? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course, a simple non-religious meditation technique can be changed to a religion, too. Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: of course, a simple non-religious meditation technique can be changed to a religion, too. Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) When did anyone say that? Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? When did MMY say anything about the efficacy of TM due to the orientation of the building in which it was to be taught? Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Face it, you're either deliberately misinterpretting what has been said, or really quite stupid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) When did anyone say that? It is current TM movement policy. TM can only be taught in buildings that are vastu-compliant. Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? When did MMY say anything about the efficacy of TM due to the orientation of the building in which it was to be taught? He made it official policy and went so far as to declare that NO ONE can teach TM in any other setting. I'd say that implies a little something about efficacy, even if that term was not used. Face it, man...Maharishi's gone stark, raving mad over this vastu thing. He's been locked away inside buildings without seeing the sun for so long that he's come to believe that enlightenment really depends on which direction the building is facing. Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Face it, you're either deliberately misinterpretting what has been said, or really quite stupid. It's the official policy of the TMO, Lawson. Live with *its* stupidity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) When did anyone say that? It is current TM movement policy. TM can only be taught in buildings that are vastu-compliant. And this implies what about effictively taught? Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? When did MMY say anything about the efficacy of TM due to the orientation of the building in which it was to be taught? He made it official policy and went so far as to declare that NO ONE can teach TM in any other setting. I'd say that implies a little something about efficacy, even if that term was not used. Or that you're willing to misinterpret things in order to fit them to your own agenda to find flaws. Face it, man...Maharishi's gone stark, raving mad over this vastu thing. He's been locked away inside buildings without seeing the sun for so long that he's come to believe that enlightenment really depends on which direction the building is facing. Haven't heard him say that and neither, obviously, have you. Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Face it, you're either deliberately misinterpretting what has been said, or really quite stupid. It's the official policy of the TMO, Lawson. Live with *its* stupidity. OK, so you're BOTH really quite stupid AND you're deliberately misinterpreting what has been said. Thanks for the clarification. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
You're a True Believer, Lawson. You will find a way to justify ANYTHING the TM movement does and trying to characterize anyone who sees its idiocy and manip- ulation as misrepresenting that idiocy and manipulation. There's really no point in interacting with you... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) When did anyone say that? It is current TM movement policy. TM can only be taught in buildings that are vastu-compliant. And this implies what about effictively taught? Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? When did MMY say anything about the efficacy of TM due to the orientation of the building in which it was to be taught? He made it official policy and went so far as to declare that NO ONE can teach TM in any other setting. I'd say that implies a little something about efficacy, even if that term was not used. Or that you're willing to misinterpret things in order to fit them to your own agenda to find flaws. Face it, man...Maharishi's gone stark, raving mad over this vastu thing. He's been locked away inside buildings without seeing the sun for so long that he's come to believe that enlightenment really depends on which direction the building is facing. Haven't heard him say that and neither, obviously, have you. Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Face it, you're either deliberately misinterpretting what has been said, or really quite stupid. It's the official policy of the TMO, Lawson. Live with *its* stupidity. OK, so you're BOTH really quite stupid AND you're deliberately misinterpreting what has been said. Thanks for the clarification. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a True Believer, Lawson. You will find a way to justify ANYTHING the TM movement does and trying to characterize anyone who sees its idiocy and manip- ulation as misrepresenting that idiocy and manipulation. There's really no point in interacting with you... As I said, you're BOTH really quite stupid AND you're deliberately misinterpreting what has been said. Thanks for the clarification. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, simple guidelines can be misconstrued into obsession... Oh, do mean like when someone declares that TM can only be effectively taught in buildings that face a particular direction? :-) When did anyone say that? It is current TM movement policy. TM can only be taught in buildings that are vastu-compliant. And this implies what about effictively taught? Sounds like an obsession to me. The entrance at 1015 Gayley Avenue faced primarily north. Does that mean that all of the people initiated there over the years received a defective technique? When did MMY say anything about the efficacy of TM due to the orientation of the building in which it was to be taught? He made it official policy and went so far as to declare that NO ONE can teach TM in any other setting. I'd say that implies a little something about efficacy, even if that term was not used. Or that you're willing to misinterpret things in order to fit them to your own agenda to find flaws. Face it, man...Maharishi's gone stark, raving mad over this vastu thing. He's been locked away inside buildings without seeing the sun for so long that he's come to believe that enlightenment really depends on which direction the building is facing. Haven't heard him say that and neither, obviously, have you. Face it, Lawson...the guideline in this case comes straight from the top, from Maharishi, and it is *clearly* an obsession, one that invalidates and calls into question his own life's work. Face it, you're either deliberately misinterpretting what has been said, or really quite stupid. It's the official policy of the TMO, Lawson. Live with *its* stupidity. OK, so you're BOTH really quite stupid AND you're deliberately misinterpreting what has been said. Thanks for the clarification. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. Sure he did. He clearly said, Don't eat Hong Kong fish. :) Eat what your mother cooked for you. Brown rice? It seems so undigestable And he was WAY against exercise that increased breath rate like running (long answer to a jogger at Squaw Valley). I always found it interesting that Neil Armstrong had the same answer when asked about jogging: 'why would I want to waste any of my finite number of breaths jogging?' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Of course, people change their minds, and actually, the Ayurvedic recommendations are flexable enough that you STILL have to make up your mind about what to eat. of course, a simple non-religious meditation technique can be changed to a religion, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 2/5/06 4:26:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, "It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves." (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students.Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. M used to say "what you should eat is not my message, TM is my message." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. Me too. Also shows the value of discrimination, and dare I say - judgement in the 'unfolding' of awareness. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Of course, people change their minds, and actually, the Ayurvedic recommendations are flexable enough that you STILL have to make up your mind about what to eat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip These are the same people who were told when they started TM that all they had to do was do TM for 20 minutes twice a day and then go out into activity and act according to the dictates of common sense and their own traditions. Now, there's a dictate from the TMO for every aspect of the relative field of activity: what direction to face; what foods to eat (and where, of course, to buy them!); what type of building to live, sleep, meditate and work in; be guided by astrology and certain vedic rituals to ward off negativity (and pay through the nose for it); and have your health treated by Ayur-Veda and Vedic Vibration. Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program? Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. Aside from the siddhis course, which I found invaluable for speeding up profound purification, all the rest I find more trouble than it is worth, or costs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. Sure he did. He clearly said, Don't eat Hong Kong fish. :) Eat what your mother cooked for you. Brown rice? It seems so undigestable And he was WAY against exercise that increased breath rate like running (long answer to a jogger at Squaw Valley). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent.You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there mightsomeday be a problem. "Things like this" justaren't supposed to happen with TMers. So theydidn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as itturned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them towhat they should -- as people who run a college --have been doing to protect the students. "Nature would take care" Hm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there might someday be a problem. Things like this just aren't supposed to happen with TMers. So they didn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as it turned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them to what they should -- as people who run a college -- have been doing to protect the students. Nature would take care Hm When I was going through my master's progam in counseling and human development at the University of Iowa and living in Fairfield, I would frequently eat at Anapurna. It always cracked me up when someone would tell me that my future counseling/psychotherapy work would be very simple because I would just have to tell them to start TM...problem solved! the spooky part was that many of these TB's actually believed it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there might someday be a problem. Things like this just aren't supposed to happen with TMers. So they didn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as it turned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them to what they should -- as people who run a college -- have been doing to protect the students. Nature would take care Hm When I was going through my master's progam in counseling and human development at the University of Iowa and living in Fairfield, I would frequently eat at Anapurna. It always cracked me up when someone would tell me that my future counseling/psychotherapy work would be very simple because I would just have to tell them to start TM...problem solved! the spooky part was that many of these TB's actually believed it. These are the same people who were told when they started TM that all they had to do was do TM for 20 minutes twice a day and then go out into activity and act according to the dictates of common sense and their own traditions. Now, there's a dictate from the TMO for every aspect of the relative field of activity: what direction to face; what foods to eat (and where, of course, to buy them!); what type of building to live, sleep, meditate and work in; be guided by astrology and certain vedic rituals to ward off negativity (and pay through the nose for it); and have your health treated by Ayur-Veda and Vedic Vibration. Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program? Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
Sure, the enjoyment part.:) They don't seem to be real big on that, unfortunately. Sal On Jan 28, 2006, at 9:30 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there might someday be a problem. Things like this just aren't supposed to happen with TMers. So they didn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as it turned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them to what they should -- as people who run a college -- have been doing to protect the students. Nature would take care Hm When I was going through my master's progam in counseling and human development at the University of Iowa and living in Fairfield, I would frequently eat at Anapurna. It always cracked me up when someone would tell me that my future counseling/psychotherapy work would be very simple because I would just have to tell them to start TM...problem solved! the spooky part was that many of these TB's actually believed it. Actually, its often a valid assumption, IMHO. Of course, its invalid often enough to make it a dangerous assumption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 1/28/06 9:32:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, there's a dictate from the TMO for every aspect of the relative field of activity: what direction to face; what foods to eat (and where, of course, to buy them!); what type of building to live, sleep, meditate and work in; be guided by astrology and certain vedic rituals to ward off negativity (and pay through the nose for it); and have your health treated by Ayur-Veda and Vedic Vibration.Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program?Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite?These suckers will believe anything. You forgot which music to listen to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person I understood the policies were indeed in place. The people implementing the policies didn't see the danger. They thought their actions in accord with the policy were adequate. Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there might someday be a problem. Things like this just aren't supposed to happen with TMers. So they didn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as it turned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them to what they should -- as people who run a college -- have been doing to protect the students. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
Sparegg: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. Tom T When my son was a student here in the early 90's one of the students walked down 4th street and waited for one of the fast freights to go by. When it was almost upon him he layed his neck on the tracks for the final event. MUM immediately restarted a canceled counseling service on campus for the ones that were struggling. That lasted a few years and was canceled again because it didn't fit the world view of perfection that was being pedalled at that time. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sparegg: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. Tom T When my son was a student here in the early 90's one of the students walked down 4th street and waited for one of the fast freights to go by. When it was almost upon him he layed his neck on the tracks for the final event. MUM immediately restarted a canceled counseling service on campus for the ones that were struggling. That lasted a few years and was canceled again because it didn't fit the world view of perfection that was being pedalled at that time. Tom T Or funding was cut, or both. Last I heard, and this was years ago, MUM faculty were expected to meet at least one hour a week with every student for academic counseling. Has this been discontinued? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person I understood the policies were indeed in place. The people implementing the policies didn't see the danger. They thought their actions in accord with the policy were adequate. Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/czjm4 Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html I weep. Is there scope here for someone to end up in prison? Uns. Some wide-eyed innocent kid from California was murdered because this organisation didn't want to skewer their Maharishi Effect stats...no one went to prison for that...no one will go to prison for this, either... That's overly harsh. Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person because they'd never seen them before in the MUM student body. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I weep. When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men for 40 years, you come to believe you can say almost anything and promise almost anything and people will believe it. I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Eye on the prize, please. Fruits of action alone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed Who is still working for any major organization 30-40 years after it started to get big? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- sparaig wrote: Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person I understood the policies were indeed in place. The people implementing the policies didn't see the danger. They thought their actions in accord with the policy were adequate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The big selfsparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world?Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed Who is still working for any major organization 30-40 years after it started to get big? Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic, which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his schemes in the Western world. Interesting that you should bring up the issue of dharma here. Keeping silent while a teacher does something you know is wrong is, according to most teachings I've encountered, *against* the dharma, not following it. Thus the students who remain silent in the face of such actions invoke a set of karmas that not only allow the teacher to continue acting from a low state of consciousness, but in the process lower their own state of consciousness to that level or lower. And it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle. Once the cycle of denial of wrongdoing and blind support for wrong action has begun within a spiritual organization, it's really, really difficult to turn it around. But, then again, MMY has created this environment of artificiality and mood-making around him. Yes he has. Having spread the myth that the enlightened are incapable of wrong action, and having created an environment in which students were encouraged to think of him as enlightened, he pretty much *had* to create another environ- ment in which doubt was considered off the program and in which criticism of the teacher was just cause for being kicked out of the study. It's a classic model of what happens when a teacher who isn't ready to teach is allowed to do so anyway. Quite the shame. Do they even have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups, world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous business plansnada... On the other hand, this one has the potential of pulling back the curtain and revealing the man behind the curtain, big-time. All it would take to blow the whistle on the *real* nature of the TM movement and its insane pursuit of money woould be for one person to invest a million Euros and then, one year later to the day, ask for the 1,150,000 Euros that were promised to him. If the TMO does not produce them, immediately, then the veil of secrecy is lifted, and the whole thing is in the hands of the public and the media, not to mention the police. What the TMO is counting on with this bond offer is that the investors will be the same domesticated sheep that they've grown used to dealing with in their other scams. The TM TB investors never speak up when they are ripped off, because they've been *trained* never to criticize the enlightened teacher or any of his plans. So the TMO gets to keep their money and get away with fleecing them. IMO, they are assuming they'll be able to do the same thing with this new scam. Either that, or it's even more insidious than that. They'll create this phony bond issue, try to sucker a few people into investing in it, then wait for Maharishi to die. Within a couple of months of his death, the on-paper organization that has issued the bonds will declare bank- ruptcy and disappear, and will get to keep all the money, pseudo-legally. If the courts can't *find* the money (for example, if it's been transferred to India and disappeared into the black hole of MMY's relatives there), they can't force the org that is going bankrupt to repay it. THAT is what I suspect the real long-term idea behind this bond scheme is. The TMO has taken a page from the Enron playbook and is attempting to run a similar scam. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:51 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best.What change in collective consciousness? The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. Why do you feel "It's just not available now"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/czjm4 I weep. When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men for 40 years, you come to believe you can say almost anything and promise almost anything and people will believe it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I weep.When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-menfor 40 years, you come to believe you can sayalmost anything and promise almost anything andpeople will believe it. I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/czjm4 Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html I weep. Is there scope here for someone to end up in prison? Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/czjm4 Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html I weep. Is there scope here for someone to end up in prison? Uns. Some wide-eyed innocent kid from California was murdered because this organisation didn't want to skewer their Maharishi Effect stats...no one went to prison for that...no one will go to prison for this, either... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I weep. When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men for 40 years, you come to believe you can say almost anything and promise almost anything and people will believe it. I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Eye on the prize, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie?The Yes-Men are the villains...Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world?Eye on the prize, please. I would like to be able to say it's the "yes men" also, but that would be letting M off the hook too easily. He built the organization andis supposed to be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take some responsibility for how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn'tit odd that no one stayedJohnY What else could Haeglen do with his reputation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Eye on the prize, please. I would like to be able to say it's the yes men also, but that would be letting M off the hook too easily. He built the organization and is supposed to be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take some responsibility for how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to it. I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic, which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has created this environment of artificiality and mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups, world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous business plansnada... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. +++ Doing your own thinking makes you a trouble maker and, will get you thrown out of a lot of places. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
But you gotta admit it's entertaining. What would we have to talk about if they suddenly caught an epidemic of common sense? Sal On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Peter wrote: I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic, which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has created this environment of artificiality and mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups, world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous business plansnada...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed JohnY What else could Haeglen do with his reputation? I tried to express this a few hundred messages upstream. It's always bothered me that these folks and many others eventually left. It's as if the vision did not hold as they saw it more clearly... That's been my experience, but it's been the middle tier of the org that drove me out. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 10:53:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simpleconsciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. Bingo, M and the TMO have run them off! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the driving force in many, many lives. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
on 1/17/06 10:42 PM, mainstream20016 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Snip. No one is saying they could have filled Maharishi's sandals. And no one is saying that the TM hasn't benefited them and the world. I don't claim to be qualified to be President of the United States. But that doesn't mean I'm not qualified to criticize the President. Maharishi did many things while presenting himself to the public as someone who didn't or wouldn't do those things, apparently thinking he was getting away with it because his ruse was working. But he didn't get away with it, because such behavior took a toll on his psychology and personality, which is now painfully evident to all but the most ardent true believer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the driving force in many, many lives. JohnY I have initiated quite a few people, when it was difficult to do so. Sent many to the siddhis, a dozen to TTC, taught SCI, done radio and TV for TM and ran a TM center for quite a few years, many of those out of my own pocket when everyone else flew the coup. My accomplishments as far as the TMO are concerned speak for themselves. And I post in my own name JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
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