Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Feste, I am fine with anyone and Sal being here if they moderate themselves 
according to the Yahoo-groups guidelines.  Those guidelines have been made 
plenty clear.

 The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines:
 https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm 
https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm


 For instance see the longer FFL discussion and annotation of Yahoo-groups 
guidelines at FFL post 
 #425575
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/425575 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/425575


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm noting that FFL has had more posts this month than in any month for more 
than a year. We need a variety of voices here, and I am glad Sal Sunshine has 
returned. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 to be throttled is just unacceptable, under these circumstances.  you've got 
to be able to vent, and it is obvious to most anyone what is venting, and what 
is goading.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Thanks Steve.  But it's up to Doug at this point.  I can't really figure out 
where the threshold is.  I mean, if he feels that "Doug, might I suggest that 
you need to get out more, do some interesting things, and stop worrying about 
what others are doing or practicing?  

 It's the sign of a small mind" is, in his mind, "run aground the yahoo-groups 
guidelines" I would like to politely suggest he's in the throes of some kind of 
a delusion, since I am quite sure no rules were broken in the making of my 
post, above.
 

 Notice how Doug never actually *quotes* any rules he feels are being broken?  
So how about it Doug, which rule or rules, specifically, did I "run aground"?  
(FWIW I'm assuming he meant "run afoul of.")

Sal 
 

 OK, I have evidently missed something here. Did you say something "against the 
rules"? Did Doug say you were to go to the Principal's office? If so, it was so 
small and insignificant that I missed it. I think you should go back to class 
and forget about it.
 


 
 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just testing out your threat, Doug. 
 Sal 
 

 







 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[feste37]

I'm noting that FFL has had more posts this month than in any month for more 
than a year. We need a variety of voices here, and I am glad Sal Sunshine has 
returned. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 to be throttled is just unacceptable, under these circumstances.  you've got 
to be able to vent, and it is obvious to most anyone what is venting, and what 
is goading.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Thanks Steve.  But it's up to Doug at this point.  I can't really figure out 
where the threshold is.  I mean, if he feels that "Doug, might I suggest that 
you need to get out more, do some interesting things, and stop worrying about 
what others are doing or practicing?  

 It's the sign of a small mind" is, in his mind, "run aground the yahoo-groups 
guidelines" I would like to politely suggest he's in the throes of some kind of 
a delusion, since I am quite sure no rules were broken in the making of my 
post, above.
 

 Notice how Doug never actually *quotes* any rules he feels are being broken?  
So how about it Doug, which rule or rules, specifically, did I "run aground"?  
(FWIW I'm assuming he meant "run afoul of.")

Sal 
 

 OK, I have evidently missed something here. Did you say something "against the 
rules"? Did Doug say you were to go to the Principal's office? If so, it was so 
small and insignificant that I missed it. I think you should go back to class 
and forget about it.
 


 
 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just testing out your threat, Doug. 
 Sal 
 

 







 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 to be throttled is just unacceptable, under these circumstances.  you've got 
to be able to vent, and it is obvious to most anyone what is venting, and what 
is goading.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Thanks Steve.  But it's up to Doug at this point.  I can't really figure out 
where the threshold is.  I mean, if he feels that "Doug, might I suggest that 
you need to get out more, do some interesting things, and stop worrying about 
what others are doing or practicing?  

 It's the sign of a small mind" is, in his mind, "run aground the yahoo-groups 
guidelines" I would like to politely suggest he's in the throes of some kind of 
a delusion, since I am quite sure no rules were broken in the making of my 
post, above.
 

 Notice how Doug never actually *quotes* any rules he feels are being broken?  
So how about it Doug, which rule or rules, specifically, did I "run aground"?  
(FWIW I'm assuming he meant "run afoul of.")

Sal 
 

 OK, I have evidently missed something here. Did you say something "against the 
rules"? Did Doug say you were to go to the Principal's office? If so, it was so 
small and insignificant that I missed it. I think you should go back to class 
and forget about it.
 


 
 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just testing out your threat, Doug. 
 Sal 
 

 







 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

to be throttled is just unacceptable, under these circumstances.  you've got to 
be able to vent, and it is obvious to most anyone what is venting, and what is 
goading.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Thanks Steve.  But it's up to Doug at this point.  I can't really figure out 
where the threshold is.  I mean, if he feels that "Doug, might I suggest that 
you need to get out more, do some interesting things, and stop worrying about 
what others are doing or practicing?  

 It's the sign of a small mind" is, in his mind, "run aground the yahoo-groups 
guidelines" I would like to politely suggest he's in the throes of some kind of 
a delusion, since I am quite sure no rules were broken in the making of my 
post, above.
 

 Notice how Doug never actually *quotes* any rules he feels are being broken?  
So how about it Doug, which rule or rules, specifically, did I "run aground"?  
(FWIW I'm assuming he meant "run afoul of.")

Sal 
 


 
 On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just testing out your threat, Doug. 
 Sal 
 

 







 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Steve.  But it's up to Doug at this point.  I can't really figure out 
where the threshold is.  I mean, if he feels that "Doug, might I suggest that 
you need to get out more, do some interesting things, and stop worrying about 
what others are doing or practicing? 

It's the sign of a small mind" is, in his mind, "run aground the yahoo-groups 
guidelines" I would like to politely suggest he's in the throes of some kind of 
a delusion, since I am quite sure no rules were broken in the making of my 
post, above.

Notice how Doug never actually *quotes* any rules he feels are being broken?  
So how about it Doug, which rule or rules, specifically, did I "run aground"?  
(FWIW I'm assuming he meant "run afoul of.")

Sal 


> On Sep 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
>  wrote:
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> We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
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> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
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> Just testing out your threat, Doug.
> 
> Sal 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We can't lose you Sal.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just testing out your threat, Doug. 
 Sal 
 

 







 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We were wondering what happened to you.  Now we know it's because you've moved.
 

 No, no. I was just visiting family in NYC and attending a trade show in 
Philly. I fly back today.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yahoo doesn't seem to want me to post from my new location out on the East 
Coast at the moment especially when I'm trying to add a link so let's try this. 
Reminds me of the first days of Neo when we kept doing all these test posts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We were wondering what happened to you.  Now we know it's because you've moved.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yahoo doesn't seem to want me to post from my new location out on the East 
Coast at the moment especially when I'm trying to add a link so let's try this. 
Reminds me of the first days of Neo when we kept doing all these test posts.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

Let's have a closer look at this post of Barry's from Friday; I didn't feel 
like bothering to fisk it at the time:: 

 See what I mean about challenging her projected image driving her crazy?  :-)

 

 Awfully mild version of "crazy," I'd say. More like annoyed, if even that. 
Barry's pissed that I simply dismissed the post he had hoped would drive me 
crazy.
 
What you should expect for the rest of the day -- if not week or month -- is an 
avalanche of posts about what a liar Barry is. 

So what else is new? Barry's a liar. For example:
 
This from the woman who *still* claims that Robin Carlsen wasn't lying about 
striking his students, even after he admitted it on this forum, even after her 
only supporter here (Ann) said that it probably happened at least once *at a 
seminar* (refuting the dodge she used to claim he wasn't lying even after he 
admitted it).
 

 No refutation there, and Robin never admitted to lying in any case, because he 
hadn't. With regard to the non-seminar incidents, he said, accurately, that he 
hadn't denied the truth, he'd denied what he'd been accused of--which was that 
he'd struck students during seminars. The seminar incident Ann described, he 
genuinely didn't remember the way she told it. What he recalled was that 
someone else onstage with him had struck the guy. However, as I noted, he 
didn't contest Ann's version. He said that if she remembered him doing it, he 
accepted that that's what happened.
 

 Can you imagine Barry responding to a correction in this manner?

It's all a matter of "knowing" things, you see. Judy just "knows" who is lying 
and who isn't. The same way she claims to "know" what everyone here was 
'really' thinking when they posted something she doesn't like.
 

 Um, sometimes, yes. Of course, Barry himself NEVER does that. 
 

 So whenever Robin said something about himself or about anyone else, he was 
always telling the truth.
 

 Certainly nobody ever found him not to be telling the truth, except in that 
one case Ann recounted, which he genuinely didn't remember as she told it. As 
Xeno has repeatedly pointed out, memory can be fallible, including Barry's. The 
difference is that Robin CARED about being accurate, whereas Barry (as Xeno has 
also noted) does not. See below for Xeno's comments.
 

 Unless he was being "ironic," of course,
 

 Perhaps Barry's most laughable assertion is that irony is equivalent to lying. 
Which must mean that Barry does a lot of lying in his own ironic posts. 
Oooopsie! 
 

  or...uh...lying, as he was about never striking any of his students, using 
phrases like "I would never do that." 
 

 "I would never do that DURING A SEMINAR," Barry carefully "forgets" to add. 
That's what Robin believed when he said it. He was, it appears, mistaken, given 
the one incident Ann remembers. Lying is when you say something you DON'T 
believe to be true, as Barry does all the time.

But whenever Barry says something, Judy "knows" that I'm lying.
 

 No, only when you lie.
 

 The thing Judy is ignoring in all of her tirades -- and will continue to 
ignore, I'm fairly sure -- is that NO ONE is rushing to her defense.
 

 And I should pay attention to that why, exactly? Should I be saying things I 
don't believe to be true in order to inspire folks to defend me?
 

  So far, not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and 
has been unable to post yet today. :-)
 

 Ann is perhaps the most independent poster on FFL (as was demonstrated by her 
report of the striking incident during one of Robin's seminars, contradicting 
the dude she has, according to Barry, been brainwashed by).
 

 NO ONE believes her "I don't lie" horseshit. NO ONE.
 

 Sez Barry, who has read the minds of every poster here.
 

 Obviously, not even her, since she refuses to even *address* getting caught in 
one of these lies, except to try to turn it into a "challenge" that she knows I 
will never respond to.

 

 It's of considerable interest that Barry is unwilling to state for the record 
three FACTS that he knows to be true.
 

 What a loon. And a thoroughly dishonest loon, to boot...

 

 Coming from Barry, the inadvertent irony is quite remarkable. What's also 
remarkable is that he makes this claim even though he has never managed to 
catch me in a lie, hard as he's tried. What I said about his therapist "friend" 
was the closest I've ever come, and in that case it was a decision not to fix 
an inadvertent error before posting it. You might say that was a decision to 
push Barry's buttons for a change, and boy, has it paid off.  He'll be 
referring to it forever as "proof" that I'm a liar. It's all he's got, after 
all, to balance the hundreds of lies he's told about me.
 

 BTW, I still think Barry WAS in therapy for his NPD with this dude. Strictly 
speaking, then, to say the dude was Barry's therapist wasn't a lie, because 
it's what I believe to be true. To be scrupulously honest, I should have 
mentioned Barry's claim that the th

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You're welcome to entertain whatever fantasies you like about my life offline. 
I've said quite a bit about it in my posts; I really can't help you with your 
lousy memory. Nor can I help it if you choose to believe what Barry--who knows 
nothing whatsoever about my life other than what I've said here (and has 
repeatedly misrepresented that), and gets it wrong every time he tries to 
guess, even though he declares it as if it were established fact--has said 
about it. That's what I mean about your being out of touch with reality.
 

 Let's face it, anyone who uses Barry as a reference for anything other than 
what TV shows to watch is, frankly, clueless. Maybe Steve just likes to align 
himself with losers and bullies, I don't know, it's a complete mystery to me. 
 

 << Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks 
looks, like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin "pegged perfectly" is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

 << Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your "unflinching honesty" has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  >>

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

You're welcome to entertain whatever fantasies you like about my life offline. 
I've said quite a bit about it in my posts; I really can't help you with your 
lousy memory. Nor can I help it if you choose to believe what Barry--who knows 
nothing whatsoever about my life other than what I've said here (and has 
repeatedly misrepresented that), and gets it wrong every time he tries to 
guess, even though he declares it as if it were established fact--has said 
about it. That's what I mean about your being out of touch with reality. 

 << Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks 
looks, like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin "pegged perfectly" is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

 << Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your "unflinching honesty" has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  >>

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[steve.sundur]

Good on ya Judy.  You;re gonna own this forum for the next couple weeks looks, 
like.  All your favorite topics. 

 But as far as out of touch with reality? Might want to rethink that one.  From 
what we know about your life, it appears a somewhat isolated existence.  Sorry 
about that, but as I've said before, so little is known, after almost 20 years. 
 Not the the case with most anyone else here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin "pegged perfectly" is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

 << Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your "unflinching honesty" has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  >>

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

Translation: Just as I predicted, he fell for it. No, Stevie-boy, you didn't 
disappoint my expectations. Anyone who thinks Barry's observations have me and 
Robin "pegged perfectly" is so out of touch with reality, he'd fall for 
anything. 

 << Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once 
again), that your "unflinching honesty" has so many conditions attached. And 
really, I think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I 
am sorry about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  >>

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[steve.sundur]

Sort of lost my interest in this discussion Judy once I realized, (once again), 
that your "unflinching honesty" has so many conditions attached. And really, I 
think Barry's observations have you (and Robin) pegged perfectly. I am sorry 
about that and I hope I've met your expectations with my reply.  

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly 
well aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far 
more sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once 
in awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/15/2014 1:12 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Wrongo. Barry is a troll.

>
This is an attempt at attention-seeking: Judy seeks to dominate the 
thread by inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand - 
all marks of the troll. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

Wrongo. Barry is a troll. 

 << If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in awhile, it's Barry.
 

 You are incorrect - Barry is a "button pusher", not a "troll" - that's the 
part you made up. >>
 

 Button pushers are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due 
to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real 
traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since 
intentional button pushing posters are alleged to knowingly flout social 
boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have 
arguably proven adept at their goal which is to push your buttons. Case in 
point.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/15/2014 9:02 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in awhile, it's Barry.

>
You are incorrect - Barry is a "button pusher", not a "troll" - that's 
the part you made up. Button pushers are sometimes caricatured as 
socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, 
as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from 
their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional button pushing posters 
are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to 
typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at 
their goal which is to push your buttons. Case in point.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

I can't wait to see the Feeb fall for this one, even though he's perfectly well 
aware (as is Richard) that Barry typecasts himself as a troll, and I'm far more 
sinned against than sinning. If any troll deserves to be troll-baited once in 
awhile, it's Barry. 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" - the 
use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, 
typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or her intent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/14/2014 7:38 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be 
a breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?

>
To be honest, Steve, this post of Judy's is an example of "Trollbaiting" 
- the use of other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in 
many cases, typecasting another user as a "troll" regardless of his or 
her intent.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Annie got your gun!  My Lord! What an indictment! Please don't tell me wife of 
my low standards. Ann, I guess you could be right.  Or.you 
could be wrong.  Or, maybe it's that (your) blind spot showing again.  
 Anyway, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.
 

 Damn tootin' I am.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Point of Order Madame Speaker!
 

 Point of order Steve. Would not unflinching honesty require you to acknowledge 
the fact that Bawwy is the biggest bestest lying, make-things-up-to-cause-shit 
jerk-off on this here forum? Absolutely it does and the fact that you give him 
a free pass pretty much puts your credibility in the dumpster. Think about it. 
I don't care if you say this is only a "chat" room, it is still an indicator 
(because of what you put out here) of your basic standards for conducting your 
life. If you think it doesn't, you're lying to yourself now.
 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[Richard J. Williams]

On 2/14/2014 8:51 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

What you really need is a spanking and to be sent to your room.

>
Save that for the FFL meeting at Starbucks. LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[TurquoiseBee]

Everything is *always* about Barry, dummy. 


It has been for almost twenty years.





 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry 
Wright post?
 


  
You mean, just like Barry didn't take a lot of umbrage or express outrage this 
morning?

How blind can you be?

And yes, this is about Barry, very much so.


You realize Judy, that this is not about Barry.  If you feel you have been 
misrepresented, then you simply correct the misrepresentation or it stands.  
Doesn't really require taking a lot of umbrage or expressing outrage.  Just set 
the record straight and move on.  Doesn't have to be a lot of conditions 
attached. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>Since when has Barry ever retracted or even acknowledged any of his lies about 
>me? Double standards, much?
>
>
>Point of Order Madame Speaker!
>
>
>Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
>breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
>
>
>Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
>>>__
>>>Barry's Confession
>>>1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
>>>2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
>>>lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
>>>3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
>>>declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
>>>I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.
>>>
>>>_
>>>
>>>
>>>Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just 
>>>kidding" and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL 
>>>get-together, and I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was 
>>>quoting your disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So 
>>>those double quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to 
>>>object.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
>>>Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
>>>see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
>>>recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
>>>
>>>
>>>> Remember what Barry said about his  therapist telling him that the person 
>>>> suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
>>>
>>>
>>>Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
>>>cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my
*friend*, not my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also 
knows that our "sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, 
our mutually favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. 
Anyone with a longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a 
real therapist once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced 
me to see him. ( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole 
who was actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his 
office to see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I 
unloaded on him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as 
a result refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
>>>intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
>>>screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said 
>>>or describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she 
>>>describes herself. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think she left out the word "friend"

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[steve.sundur]

Annie got your gun!  My Lord! What an indictment! Please don't tell me wife of 
my low standards. Ann, I guess you could be right.  Or.you 
could be wrong.  Or, maybe it's that (your) blind spot showing again.  
 Anyway, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Point of Order Madame Speaker!
 

 Point of order Steve. Would not unflinching honesty require you to acknowledge 
the fact that Bawwy is the biggest bestest lying, make-things-up-to-cause-shit 
jerk-off on this here forum? Absolutely it does and the fact that you give him 
a free pass pretty much puts your credibility in the dumpster. Think about it. 
I don't care if you say this is only a "chat" room, it is still an indicator 
(because of what you put out here) of your basic standards for conducting your 
life. If you think it doesn't, you're lying to yourself now.
 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made e

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

You mean, just like Barry didn't take a lot of umbrage or express outrage this 
morning? 

 How blind can you be?
 

 And yes, this is about Barry, very much so.
 
 You realize Judy, that this is not about Barry.  If you feel you have been 
misrepresented, then you simply correct the misrepresentation or it stands.  
Doesn't really require taking a lot of umbrage or expressing outrage.  Just set 
the record straight and move on.  Doesn't have to be a lot of conditions 
attached. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Since when has Barry ever retracted or even acknowledged any of his lies about 
me? Double standards, much? 

 Point of Order Madame Speaker! 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, e

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[authfriend]

That's what Barry does, hypocrite. Long past time for a few of those chickens 
to come home to roost. 

 << Hey, I mean I suppose you can come up with any scenario.  Whether or not it 
makes sense is another thing altogether. >> 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 What makes you believe he's telling the truth about the nature of his 
relationship with the therapist? If he had been in therapy with the guy, do you 
really think he'd admit it? Given his well-documented penchant for lying, I 
think we should be very suspicious. Note that his whole reason for mentioning 
the therapist was to demonize Robin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's 
been parroting the therapist's description of Barry's own NPD, the "makes it up 
as he goes along" part in particular. Nor would I be surprised if Barry's way 
of dealing with his NPD has been to project it onto his teachers and others 
whom he doesn't like. It isn't me, it's THEM! (Maybe the therapist gave up on 
treating NPD patients because he couldn't get anywhere with Barry.) Makes at 
least as much sense as the ridiculous crap he says about me (and Robin, and 
Ann, and others he doesn't like). 

 I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuse

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[authfriend]

Exactly. 

 Let's put it this way, I believe Barry most likely used this guy as his 
therapist. Not only that, I am sure Barry has been in multiple psychiatric 
doctor's "care" and if he hasn't then he certainly should be. The guy is living 
in huge denial, is basically a full blown sociopath who feels the rules of 
society simply don't apply to him. I should just write a sample of the kind of 
post he writes about me all the time. See how he likes it. As it is he'll be 
foaming at the mouth just reading this - watch!
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[steve.sundur]

You realize Judy, that this is not about Barry.  If you feel you have been 
misrepresented, then you simply correct the misrepresentation or it stands.  
Doesn't really require taking a lot of umbrage or expressing outrage.  Just set 
the record straight and move on.  Doesn't have to be a lot of conditions 
attached. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Since when has Barry ever retracted or even acknowledged any of his lies about 
me? Double standards, much? 

 Point of Order Madame Speaker! 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" someth

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[steve.sundur]

Hey, I mean I suppose you can come up with any scenario.  Whether or not it 
makes sense is another thing altogether.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 What makes you believe he's telling the truth about the nature of his 
relationship with the therapist? If he had been in therapy with the guy, do you 
really think he'd admit it? Given his well-documented penchant for lying, I 
think we should be very suspicious. Note that his whole reason for mentioning 
the therapist was to demonize Robin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's 
been parroting the therapist's description of Barry's own NPD, the "makes it up 
as he goes along" part in particular. Nor would I be surprised if Barry's way 
of dealing with his NPD has been to project it onto his teachers and others 
whom he doesn't like. It isn't me, it's THEM! (Maybe the therapist gave up on 
treating NPD patients because he couldn't get anywhere with Barry.) Makes at 
least as much sense as the ridiculous crap he says about me (and Robin, and 
Ann, and others he doesn't like). 

 I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imp

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 What makes you believe he's telling the truth about the nature of his 
relationship with the therapist? If he had been in therapy with the guy, do you 
really think he'd admit it? Given his well-documented penchant for lying, I 
think we should be very suspicious. Note that his whole reason for mentioning 
the therapist was to demonize Robin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's 
been parroting the therapist's description of Barry's own NPD, the "makes it up 
as he goes along" part in particular. Nor would I be surprised if Barry's way 
of dealing with his NPD has been to project it onto his teachers and others 
whom he doesn't like. It isn't me, it's THEM! (Maybe the therapist gave up on 
treating NPD patients because he couldn't get anywhere with Barry.) Makes at 
least as much sense as the ridiculous crap he says about me (and Robin, and 
Ann, and others he doesn't like).
 

 Let's put it this way, I believe Barry most likely used this guy as his 
therapist. Not only that, I am sure Barry has been in multiple psychiatric 
doctor's "care" and if he hasn't then he certainly should be. The guy is living 
in huge denial, is basically a full blown sociopath who feels the rules of 
society simply don't apply to him. I should just write a sample of the kind of 
post he writes about me all the time. See how he likes it. As it is he'll be 
foaming at the mouth just reading this - watch!
 

 I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Point of Order Madame Speaker!
 

 Point of order Steve. Would not unflinching honesty require you to acknowledge 
the fact that Bawwy is the biggest bestest lying, make-things-up-to-cause-shit 
jerk-off on this here forum? Absolutely it does and the fact that you give him 
a free pass pretty much puts your credibility in the dumpster. Think about it. 
I don't care if you say this is only a "chat" room, it is still an indicator 
(because of what you put out here) of your basic standards for conducting your 
life. If you think it doesn't, you're lying to yourself now.
 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up wi

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 Steve, are you kidding me? You talking to Barry about others lying is like 
talking to Bugs Bunny about Sylvester eating too many carrots.
 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK, and No Big Thing. 

 

*Just in this post* she does

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK, and No Big Thing. 

 

*Just in this post* she does the same thing several times. Neither Steve nor 
Xeno used the words "kidding" or "just kidding" or suggested that I had said I 
was an "expert" on Judy Stein (I haven't). No one used the phrase "wound up." 
Yet Judy feels no problem with citing them as direct quotes, as if someone 
actually *had* used those words or phrases. 
 

 Hypocrite. And LIAR. And I think everyone on this forum pretty much knows 
it...except Judy herself. 

 

 Don't fall for her posturing as if she was the most honest person on FFL, or 
the only person who cares about accuracy or integrity. That's just another way 
that Judy pushes out her *real* argument, which is (in quotes to indicate 
dialog, not to indicate that she's actually said it in these words): "If you 
disagree with me, you are WRONG. If I 'correct' you on it and you persist in 
saying it, you're LYING." 

 

 And all the while, the person saying this is one of the biggest LIARS on the 
forum...
 

 O, boo hoo Bawwy, cry us a river. You being slandered, maligned, 
misrepresented. Give me a fucking break you dough-headed hypocrite. Go cry 
somewhere else you little baby. What you really n

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[TurquoiseBee]

See what I mean about challenging her projected image driving her crazy?  :-)

What you should expect for the rest of the day -- if not week or month -- is an 
avalanche of posts about what a liar Barry is. 

This from the woman who *still* claims that Robin Carlsen wasn't lying about 
striking his students, even after he admitted it on this forum, even after her 
only supporter here (Ann) said that it probably happened at least once *at a 
seminar* (refuting the dodge she used to claim he wasn't lying even after he 
admitted it). 

It's all a matter of "knowing" things, you see. Judy just "knows" who is lying 
and who isn't. The same way she claims to "know" what everyone here was 
'really' thinking when they posted something she doesn't like. So whenever 
Robin said something about himself or about anyone else, he was always telling 
the truth. Unless he was being "ironic," of course, or...uh...lying, as he was 
about never striking any of his students, using phrases like "I would never do 
that." 

But whenever Barry says something, Judy "knows" that I'm lying. 


The thing Judy is ignoring in all of her tirades -- and will continue to 
ignore, I'm fairly sure -- is that NO ONE is rushing to her defense. So far, 
not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and has been 
unable to post yet today. :-)

NO ONE believes her "I don't lie" horseshit. NO ONE. 


Obviously, not even her, since she refuses to even *address* getting caught in 
one of these lies, except to try to turn it into a "challenge" that she knows I 
will never respond to. 


What a loon. And a thoroughly dishonest loon, to boot...



____
 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 2:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry 
Wright post?
 


  
Point of Order Madame Speaker!

Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a breach 
of this assertion, without conditions!!?

Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

_

Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.

BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.

Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging Judy's 
projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's see who 
here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts recently. 
Here's the first example (full context below):


> Remember what Barry said about his  therapist telling him that the person 
> suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?

Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 


Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I cited 
as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my
*friend*, not my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also 
knows that our "sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, 
our mutually favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. 
Anyone with a longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a 
real therapist once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced 
me to see him. ( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole 
who was actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his 
office to see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I 
unloaded on him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as 
a result refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)

Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
inten

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[authfriend]

Oh, and Barry did say (I quoted it) that what he dishonesty called Robin's 
"12,000-word post" was "ranting," so "12,000-word rant" was hardly a 
"pretzeling move." That's how I remembered what he said, but I didn't go check 
to make sure. Now, please explain how you think "12,000-word rant," given what 
I quoted from Barry's post, changes the meaning of what he said. 

 << As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there. 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think. >>

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK, and No Big Thing. 

 

*Just in this post* she does the same thing several times. Neither Steve nor 
Xeno used the words "kidding" or "just kidding" or suggested that I had said I 
was an "expert" on Judy Stein (I haven't). No one used the phrase "wound up." 
Yet Judy feels no problem with citing them as di

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[authfriend]

Since when has Barry ever retracted or even acknowledged any of his lies about 
me? Double standards, much? 

 Point of Order Madame Speaker! 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because someth

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[authfriend]

What makes you believe he's telling the truth about the nature of his 
relationship with the therapist? If he had been in therapy with the guy, do you 
really think he'd admit it? Given his well-documented penchant for lying, I 
think we should be very suspicious. Note that his whole reason for mentioning 
the therapist was to demonize Robin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's 
been parroting the therapist's description of Barry's own NPD, the "makes it up 
as he goes along" part in particular. Nor would I be surprised if Barry's way 
of dealing with his NPD has been to project it onto his teachers and others 
whom he doesn't like. It isn't me, it's THEM! (Maybe the therapist gave up on 
treating NPD patients because he couldn't get anywhere with Barry.) Makes at 
least as much sense as the ridiculous crap he says about me (and Robin, and 
Ann, and others he doesn't like). 

 I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, eit

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the HYPOCRISY in this Barry Wright post?

[steve.sundur]

Point of Order Madame Speaker! 

 Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a 
breach of this assertion, without conditions!!?
 

 Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following:
__
Barry's Confession
 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts.
 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of 
lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like).
 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have 
declared she hasn't as if it were established fact.
 I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above.

 _
 

 Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag.
 

 BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" 
and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and 
I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your 
disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double 
quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object.
 

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK

[FairfieldLife] RE: Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

[steve.sundur]

I noticed the misrepresentation about the therapist, but it was so obvious, 
that I thought she might have meant it as a joke.  On the other hand, she 
doesn't often joke like that. On that same hand, she often indicates that its 
important to clarify certain points for newcomers, and we have some here who 
may still be in that category.  So, we're gonna have to put that in the 
"misrepresentation" column.  Judge's ruling is final. 

 As far as the 12,000 word deal, I really wasn't following that too closely, 
but I did not notice that funny pretzeling move a few days ago wr to this.  As 
pretzeling moves go, it was not that elegant  So, yes, at least a strong 
waffling sanction there.

 

 I think it shows that Xeno's Theorem has held up once again, i.e., that none 
of us are as unflinchingly honest and truthful as we think we are, and none of 
us hasn't stretched the truth to some extent, maybe even quite a bit more than 
we think.

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging 
Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's 
see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts 
recently. Here's the first example (full context below):
 
 
 > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
 > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?
 

 Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 

 

 Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I 
cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not 
my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-)
 

 Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 

 

 I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.
 

 This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 

 

 Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK, and No Big Thing. 

 

*Just in this post* she does the same thing several times. Neither Steve nor 
Xeno used the words "kidding" or "just kidding" or suggested that I had said I 
was an "expert" on Judy Stein (I haven't). No one used the phrase

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test Post - No Content - To Be Deleted

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> I was replying to message #333048 but when I send, Yahoo says it cannot find 
> message #333048 and the post does not show up on the forum


This has been happening  lot the last few days when wanting to reply to a 
post...

It's probably Natures way of saying "just leave that bugger alone" :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test Post - No Content - To Be Deleted

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I was replying to message #333048 but when I send, Yahoo says it cannot find 
message #333048 and the post does not show up on the forum

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> Alex. I posted this once. Two copies showed up. I deleted both but one seems 
> to remain on the forum. A previous reply to another post never showed up.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> >
> > Test Post - No Content - To Be Deleted
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test Post - No Content - To Be Deleted

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Alex. I posted this once. Two copies showed up. I deleted both but one seems to 
remain on the forum. A previous reply to another post never showed up.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> Test Post - No Content - To Be Deleted
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[seventhray1]

I think Judy's joke about the Polish lesbian is "best in its class".


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> How many Poles does it take to make popcorn?
>
> Five, one to hold the pan and four to shake the stove.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > How many Pollish people does it take to change a light bulb.
> >
> > Six. One to hold the bulb, and five to rotate the chair.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How can you tell a plane in the Polish Air Force?
> > >
> > > Hair under the wings.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > > > > went on and on and on.. LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > > > > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> > > >
> > > > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > > > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> > > >
> > > > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > She liked men.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[whynotnow7]

How many Poles does it take to make popcorn?

Five, one to hold the pan and four to shake the stove.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> How many Pollish people does it take to change a light bulb.
> 
> Six.  One to hold the bulb, and five to rotate the chair.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > How can you tell a plane in the Polish Air Force?
> >
> > Hair under the wings.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > > > went on and on and on.. LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > > > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> > >
> > > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> > >
> > > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She liked men.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[whynotnow7]

My favorite religious joke of all time:

St. Peter is standing at the gates of Heaven, like he always is, letting some 
in, sending others away, and this continues for a long, long time. Eventually 
Jesus comes by, and decides, nice fellow that he is, to give St. Peter a break. 
"I know the drill St. Pete", Jesus says. "Take a load off, and I'll take over 
at the gate for awhile."

St. Peter wanders off for a nap. Jesus assumes his duty, doing his thing, no 
issues, everything running smoothly. After awhile, he sees an old man wandering 
about in the clouds, and he calls him over. 
"What are you doing old man?" 
"Well, I don't know...", the old man replies. 
Jesus asks, "Do you remember anything from your earthly life?" 
The old man thinks hard, "I remember a small town...a woodworking shop..." 
Jesus grows very interested...and the old man finishes, "and a miracle!" 
At this Jesus exclaims, "Father?!", and the old man looks at Jesus, eyes 
growing wide and says, "Pinocchio?"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> A Priest and a Rabbi were discussing the different honors bestowed in
> their respective religions.  The Priest said that after many years of
> study and vows of obedience one may gain entry to the Priesthood.  To
> which the Rabbi replied, "So What".  The Priest continued.  "And if he
> is found to be good with people and liked by the congregation he may
> receive the title of Monseigner".  Again the Rabbi replied, "So what". 
> The Priest, getting a little perturbed at this point proceeded, "And
> further, if he is found to be a good administator in the Archdiosese he
> may be even promoted to Bishop".  And again the same reply from the
> Rabbi.  The Priest, becoming more exasperated said, And if he finds
> favor with the Pope and the respect of his  peers, he may even be
> appointed a Cardinal!.  "So what" was the reply from the Rabbi.  "Well"
> said the Priest his voice rising, "He may even get elected Pope, the
> highest honor in our tradition!.  To this the Rabbi replied again, "So
> What"  The Priest, out of patience at this point, nearly shouting, "What
> do you want?  That he should become Jesus Christ himself?, to which the
> Rabbi responded, "I don't know,  one of our boys made it."
> 
> o be
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > Little Moshe got thrown out of Hebrew school for failing grades and
> being a
> > behavior problem. "So what are we to do now?", asked his father. A
> > neighbor suggested that they send Moshe to a non-sectarian private
> school.
> > "I know of one that's very strict. Give him a couple of days and he'll
> be
> > all straightened out." So, off went Moshe to a private boarding
> school.
> > He lasted a couple months then was sent home. Again failing grades,
> again a
> > behavior problem. "So look what you've done", the mother said to her
> > husband. "You took the advice of our neighbor, set Moshe to a private
> > boarding school and he failed once again. What are we to do?" They
> > talked it over for a few days and finally took the matter to their
> rabbi.
> > "Send him to a public school. The teachers aren't paid well so they
> keep
> > discipline with a strong arm and they won't put up with Moshe's
> terrible
> > attitude towards people and studies." So off Moshe went to public
> school.
> > He did a little better, but was still a behavior problem and still had
> bad
> > grades. "So now what? We sent him to a Hebrew school. He was thrown
> out.
> > We sent him to a private school and he got thrown out and now he's
> about to
> > fail in public school. What's left?" Another neighbor, a Catholic,
> said
> > that the only thing left is a Catholic school. And those nuns are very
> > strict. "A Catholic school?", asked the mother, "but we're Jewish."
> "You
> > don't have much choice do you?", asked the neighbor. So, Moshe took
> the
> > school bus to Catholic school. When he came home he addressed his
> mother as
> > "Mother" instead of Mom, his father as "Father" instead of Dad. He ran
> up
> > to his room with his books. Before starting his studies for the
> evening he
> > set about cleaning his room. He studied and studied until his mother
> had to
> > go upstairs and tell him to stop studying and come to dinner. Moshe
> was
> > suddenly all manners at the table and instead of taunting his sister,
> he was
> > completely respectful to her. When it was time for Moshe to get up to
> get
> > ready for school the next day, his mother knocked on his bedroom door
> and
> > there was no answer. So she opened it and there she saw Moshe. He had
> > fallen asleep studying. She woke him up, he got ready for school. This
> > routine repeated itself day after day. Moshe even stayed in his room
> on
> > the weekend and studied. Moshe very proudly carried his report card
> home.
> > Perfect attendance, perfect penmanship, perfect conduct and all As.
> His
> > parents were floored.
> >
> > "Moshe, I don't understand. W

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[seventhray1]

A Priest and a Rabbi were discussing the different honors bestowed in
their respective religions.  The Priest said that after many years of
study and vows of obedience one may gain entry to the Priesthood.  To
which the Rabbi replied, "So What".  The Priest continued.  "And if he
is found to be good with people and liked by the congregation he may
receive the title of Monseigner".  Again the Rabbi replied, "So what". 
The Priest, getting a little perturbed at this point proceeded, "And
further, if he is found to be a good administator in the Archdiosese he
may be even promoted to Bishop".  And again the same reply from the
Rabbi.  The Priest, becoming more exasperated said, And if he finds
favor with the Pope and the respect of his  peers, he may even be
appointed a Cardinal!.  "So what" was the reply from the Rabbi.  "Well"
said the Priest his voice rising, "He may even get elected Pope, the
highest honor in our tradition!.  To this the Rabbi replied again, "So
What"  The Priest, out of patience at this point, nearly shouting, "What
do you want?  That he should become Jesus Christ himself?, to which the
Rabbi responded, "I don't know,  one of our boys made it."

o be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Little Moshe got thrown out of Hebrew school for failing grades and
being a
> behavior problem. "So what are we to do now?", asked his father. A
> neighbor suggested that they send Moshe to a non-sectarian private
school.
> "I know of one that's very strict. Give him a couple of days and he'll
be
> all straightened out." So, off went Moshe to a private boarding
school.
> He lasted a couple months then was sent home. Again failing grades,
again a
> behavior problem. "So look what you've done", the mother said to her
> husband. "You took the advice of our neighbor, set Moshe to a private
> boarding school and he failed once again. What are we to do?" They
> talked it over for a few days and finally took the matter to their
rabbi.
> "Send him to a public school. The teachers aren't paid well so they
keep
> discipline with a strong arm and they won't put up with Moshe's
terrible
> attitude towards people and studies." So off Moshe went to public
school.
> He did a little better, but was still a behavior problem and still had
bad
> grades. "So now what? We sent him to a Hebrew school. He was thrown
out.
> We sent him to a private school and he got thrown out and now he's
about to
> fail in public school. What's left?" Another neighbor, a Catholic,
said
> that the only thing left is a Catholic school. And those nuns are very
> strict. "A Catholic school?", asked the mother, "but we're Jewish."
"You
> don't have much choice do you?", asked the neighbor. So, Moshe took
the
> school bus to Catholic school. When he came home he addressed his
mother as
> "Mother" instead of Mom, his father as "Father" instead of Dad. He ran
up
> to his room with his books. Before starting his studies for the
evening he
> set about cleaning his room. He studied and studied until his mother
had to
> go upstairs and tell him to stop studying and come to dinner. Moshe
was
> suddenly all manners at the table and instead of taunting his sister,
he was
> completely respectful to her. When it was time for Moshe to get up to
get
> ready for school the next day, his mother knocked on his bedroom door
and
> there was no answer. So she opened it and there she saw Moshe. He had
> fallen asleep studying. She woke him up, he got ready for school. This
> routine repeated itself day after day. Moshe even stayed in his room
on
> the weekend and studied. Moshe very proudly carried his report card
home.
> Perfect attendance, perfect penmanship, perfect conduct and all As.
His
> parents were floored.
>
> "Moshe, I don't understand. We sent you to a Hebrew school. We sent
you
> to a boarding school. We sent you to a private school. Nothing worked.
> And of all places we send you to a Catholic school and you come home
with
> all As? Moshe, explain yourself", said his father. "Father, when I
walked
> into that school and I saw this man nailed to the wall. Father, I knew
> they meant business."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[seventhray1]

What do you get when you cross a Morman with a Mexican.  A basement full
of stolen groceries.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> The Polish are European's Mexicans?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > The pride of the Polish people rose dramatically after
> > the rise of Solidarity and the installation of a Polish Pope.
> > In reaction they started telling "American Jokes" as a
> > display of their new found confidence.
> >
> > Here's what they were telling each other ...
> >
> > How many Americans does it take to change a light-bulb?
> >
> > ... One.
> >
> > Hah Hah Hah they roared.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > > > went on and on and on.. LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > > > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> > >
> > > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> > >
> > > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She liked men.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[seventhray1]

How many Pollish people does it take to change a light bulb.

Six.  One to hold the bulb, and five to rotate the chair.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> How can you tell a plane in the Polish Air Force?
>
> Hair under the wings.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > > went on and on and on.. LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> >
> > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> >
> > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > She liked men.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[seventhray1]

I did not.  But do you know if Netflix has that Rock Hudson, Sylvester
Stallone remake, "Rambut"?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> I'm not too good at punctuation, so you'll have to bear with me.
>
> Did you hear about the young Greek lad who was awarded a full
scholarship
> but refused to take it because he didn't want to go to America and
leave his
> brothers behind?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[obbajeeba]

Oh, I believe it!  That is why many poles are not offended by the jokes? lol  
I met an Indian business man who's family owns property in Uttar Kashi. He once 
told me the different planets that rule parts of the world. Poland has the 
Jupiter strength as said by him. India was Jupiter/Sun. I am only repeating 
what was told to me. I am absolutely no expert of planetary cuisine. Really. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:
> 
> > The Polish are European's Mexicans?
> >
> >
> Herb Caen, author of *Don't Call it Frisco* and decades long humor columnist
> of the San Francisco Chronicle visited Poland after the Soviets left.  When
> Caen came back he dedicated many of his columns to his experiences in
> Poland.   Caen said that "A Pole is someone who will get into a revolving
> door behind you and come out ahead of you."
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

> The Polish are European's Mexicans?
>
>
Herb Caen, author of *Don't Call it Frisco* and decades long humor columnist
of the San Francisco Chronicle visited Poland after the Soviets left.  When
Caen came back he dedicated many of his columns to his experiences in
Poland.   Caen said that "A Pole is someone who will get into a revolving
door behind you and come out ahead of you."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Tom Pall]

Little Moshe got thrown out of Hebrew school for failing grades and being a
behavior problem.  "So what are we to do now?", asked his father.   A
neighbor suggested that they send Moshe to a non-sectarian private school.
"I know of one that's very strict.  Give him a couple of days and he'll be
all straightened out."   So, off went Moshe to a private boarding school.
He lasted a couple months then was sent home.  Again failing grades, again a
behavior problem.  "So look what you've done", the mother said to her
husband.   "You took the advice of our neighbor, set Moshe to a private
boarding school and he failed once again.   What are we to do?"   They
talked it over for a few days and finally took the matter to their rabbi.
"Send him to a public school.  The teachers aren't paid well so they keep
discipline with a strong arm and they won't put up with Moshe's terrible
attitude towards people and studies."   So off Moshe went to public school.
He did a little better, but was still a behavior problem and still had bad
grades.  "So now what?  We sent him to a Hebrew school.  He was thrown out.
We sent him to a private school and he got thrown out and now he's about to
fail in public school.   What's left?"   Another neighbor, a Catholic, said
that the only thing left is a Catholic school.  And those nuns are very
strict.  "A Catholic school?", asked the mother, "but we're Jewish."   "You
don't have much choice do you?", asked the neighbor. So, Moshe took the
school bus to Catholic school.  When he came home he addressed his mother as
"Mother" instead of Mom, his father as "Father" instead of Dad.   He ran up
to his room with his books.  Before starting his studies for the evening he
set about cleaning his room.  He studied and studied until his mother had to
go upstairs and tell him to stop studying and come to dinner.   Moshe was
suddenly all manners at the table and instead of taunting his sister, he was
completely respectful to her.   When it was time for Moshe to get up to get
ready for school the next day, his mother knocked on his bedroom door and
there was no answer.  So she opened it and there she saw Moshe.  He had
fallen asleep studying.  She woke him up, he got ready for school.   This
routine repeated itself day after day.   Moshe even stayed in his room on
the weekend and studied.   Moshe very proudly carried his report card home.
Perfect attendance, perfect penmanship, perfect conduct and all As.   His
parents were floored.

"Moshe, I don't understand.   We sent you to a Hebrew school.  We sent you
to a boarding school.  We sent you to a private school.   Nothing worked.
And of all places we send you to a Catholic school and you come home with
all As?   Moshe, explain yourself", said his father.  "Father, when I walked
into that school and I saw this man nailed to the wall.   Father, I knew
they meant business."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[obbajeeba]

The Polish are European's Mexicans?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> The pride of the Polish people rose dramatically after
> the rise of Solidarity and the installation of a Polish Pope.
> In reaction they started telling "American Jokes" as a
> display of their new found confidence.
> 
> Here's what they were telling each other ...
> 
> How many Americans does it take to change a light-bulb?
> 
> ... One.
> 
> Hah Hah Hah they roared.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > > went on and on and on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> >
> > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> >
> > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > She liked men.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[obbajeeba]

: )   (.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> I'm not too good at punctuation, so you'll have to bear with me.
> 
> Did you hear about the young Greek lad who was awarded a full scholarship
> but refused to take it because he didn't want to go to America and leave his
> brothers behind?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[emptybill]

The pride of the Polish people rose dramatically after
the rise of Solidarity and the installation of a Polish Pope.
In reaction they started telling "American Jokes" as a
display of their new found confidence.

Here's what they were telling each other ...

How many Americans does it take to change a light-bulb?

... One.

Hah Hah Hah they roared.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > went on and on and on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
>
> OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
>
> Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
>
>
>
>
> She liked men.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[whynotnow7]

How can you tell a plane in the Polish Air Force? 

Hair under the wings.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > went on and on and on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> 
> OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> 
> Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She liked men.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Tom Pall]

I'm not too good at punctuation, so you'll have to bear with me.

Did you hear about the young Greek lad who was awarded a full scholarship
but refused to take it because he didn't want to go to America and leave his
brothers behind?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Tom Pall]

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

>
> >
> > OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> > going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> >
> > Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > She liked men.
> >
>
>
> Yay!  Bhahahaha!   Dark, Judy, dark. hahaha : )
>
>
>
>
But telling.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> > went on and on and on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> > comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa
> 
> OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
> going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:
> 
> Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She liked men.
>


Yay!  Bhahahaha!   Dark, Judy, dark. hahaha : )

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it
> went on and on and on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to
> comment on anti-jokes. ) hahahahahahahahahahaa

OK, OK. To avoid the charge of being self-righteous, I'm
going to tell my favorite Politically Incorrect joke:

Did you hear the one about the Polish lesbian?




She liked men.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[obbajeeba]

The link provided had a very anti-polish joke in it and it went on and on and 
on..  LOL (Judy, you inspired me to comment on anti-jokes. ) 
hahahahahahahahahahaa 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
> 
> 
> Woo-Hoo! Clickable link from Bob! Growth of consciousness, oh yeah!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg


Woo-Hoo! Clickable link from Bob! Growth of consciousness, oh yeah!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Bob Price]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg



From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 12:29:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/07/2011 10:43 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
> 
> What email client are you using? 

I don't use an email client with Yahoo mail. I sent the two test mails from the 
Yahoo Mail web interface because Bob Price is sending his posts to FFL that 
way, and I was figuring out why Bob's URLs are not clickable.


   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/07/2011 10:43 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
> 
> What email client are you using? 

I don't use an email client with Yahoo mail. I sent the two test mails from the 
Yahoo Mail web interface because Bob Price is sending his posts to FFL that 
way, and I was figuring out why Bob's URLs are not clickable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Rich Text

[fflmod]

Thanks, Judy, I can now do hyperlinks in my email again. The problem
with displaying links was one more reason yahoo was losing some of my
email business to Facebook. It used to be that just typing in an http
type of address would automatically turn it into a hyperlink. That
feature disappeared a few months ago. I find it annoying that yahoo
keeps on prompting me to upgrade to what they erroneously believe to be
their  latest and great version of yahoo email, which I have no interest
in doing, while they're still making unwise changes to their older
versions.
Option number two works for me as long as I first highlight the address
with my mouse before clicking on the hyperlink button. Then I have to
remember to ignore the popup and to just hit the enter key. --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
>
> With Rich Text:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
> j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
> >
> BBC story on Christianity in the Netherlands
> 
>
> On the menu at the top, the 7th icon from the left is "Add a link." If
> you click it, a box will open for you to enter a URL (I entered
Alex's);
> then click OK and another box will open to type in link text (above,
> "Christianity in the Netherlands").
>
> And if you type a URL into the regular message space, then click "Add
a
> link," then hit Return twice, you'll get the URL itself as the link:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Rich Text

[authfriend]

With Rich Text:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
>
BBC story on Christianity in the Netherlands


On the menu at the top, the 7th icon from the left is "Add a link." If
you click it, a box will open for you to enter a URL (I entered Alex's);
then click OK and another box will open to type in link text (above,
"Christianity in the Netherlands").

And if you type a URL into the regular message space, then click "Add a
link," then hit Return twice, you'll get the URL itself as the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test: URL in Yahoo Mail with Plain Text

[fflmod]

How did you get it to work, Alex? I use yahoo email and it stopped recognizing 
my hyperlinks months ago.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  
wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > All of this is completely unnecessary, Sheeple.
> >
> > All you have to do is use the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor, copy
> > the Web graphic you wish to display in your post, and paste
> > it into the editor. It's so simple that one has to wonder
> > about the mental capacity of the person who believes that
> > they have to work with HTML directly because that's the
> > only way she figured out to make it work.
>
> Well, whaddya know, he's right.
>
> I must be a sheeple, because I like to read the instructions before I
> try something. I've always been a believer in RTFM.
>
> And this is what Yahoo says about embedding images with the Rich Text
> Editor:
>
> "Special note on image tags
> To use an image tag in your message, you must specify a height and
width
> for the image (for example:  width="50">). Images without specific height and width attributes
> won't display."
>
> Nowhere does it say all you have to do is copy and paste the image.
>
> In my experience working with computers since 1984, without exception
> people have been generous about giving advice and never dump on
anybody
> for not knowing something, especially if the person has done their
best
> to find it out on their own.
>
> I guess Barry's experience has been different.
>
> [loser by noellebobcat.]
>


***

This image from the NYT does work without height/width, although I have
had problems with NYT images -- I'll try using such info in the future.

  [Stewart Cink kissed the trophy after winning the British Open on
Sunday.]

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > All you have to do is use the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor, copy
> > the Web graphic you wish to display in your post, and paste
> > it into the editor.
>
> Another tip: if you're going to search for an image on the web and
paste it into a post, search for the image in a different web browser
than the one you're posting with, e.g. Google Chrome for the image
search and Firefox to post. That way, if the server the image is hosted
on doesn't allow hotlinking, you'll know it immediately because the
image won't display in the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor. If the site with the
image doesn't allow hotlinking, and you search and post with the same
browser, the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor will simply load the image from the
browser cache, and it will look like the image should post just fine.
>


***

I've had trouble with images from the NY Times -- they won't usually
show up --  this is the photo of the golfer on the front page of the
Times right now:

  [Stewart Cink kissed the trophy after winning the British Open on
Sunday.]

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> All of this is completely unnecessary, Sheeple.
>
> All you have to do is use the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor, copy
> the Web graphic you wish to display in your post, and paste
> it into the editor. It's so simple that one has to wonder
> about the mental capacity of the person who believes that
> they have to work with HTML directly because that's the
> only way she figured out to make it work.

Well, whaddya know, he's right.

I must be a sheeple, because I like to read the instructions before I
try something. I've always been a believer in RTFM.

And this is what Yahoo says about embedding images with the Rich Text
Editor:

"Special note on image tags
To use an image tag in your message, you must specify a height and width
for the image (for example: ). Images without specific height and width attributes
won't display."

Nowhere does it say all you have to do is copy and paste the image.

In my experience working with computers since 1984, without exception
people have been generous about giving advice and never dump on anybody
for not knowing something, especially if the person has done their best
to find it out on their own.

I guess Barry's experience has been different.

  [loser by noellebobcat.]

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> All you have to do is use the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor, copy
> the Web graphic you wish to display in your post, and paste
> it into the editor. 

Another tip: if you're going to search for an image on the web and paste it 
into a post, search for the image in a different web browser than the one 
you're posting with, e.g. Google Chrome for the image search and Firefox to 
post. That way, if the server the image is hosted on doesn't allow hotlinking, 
you'll know it immediately because the image won't display in the Yahoo 
Rich-Text Editor. If the site with the image doesn't allow hotlinking, and you 
search and post with the same browser, the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor will simply 
load the image from the browser cache, and it will look like the image should 
post just fine. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[TurquoiseB]

All of this is completely unnecessary, Sheeple.

All you have to do is use the Yahoo Rich-Text Editor, copy
the Web graphic you wish to display in your post, and paste
it into the editor. It's so simple that one has to wonder
about the mental capacity of the person who believes that
they have to work with HTML directly because that's the
only way she figured out to make it work.

HTML nerds are free to work in HTML, of course. Sorta like
the way that TMers are free to believe that 30 to 40 years
is a reasonable time to retain their uncontrollable urges
and samskaras while meditating every day and claiming that
they are practicing the fastest, most effective technique
of meditation in the world.  :-)

  [Sheeple]

> > > Trying to learn how to embed photos...
> >
> > So how's it done Judy, or do have to put up with geek
> > Barry and his goofy pictures for the rest of our life?
>
> Not sure if it's done the same way if you post via email,
> but if you're posting to the Web, when you reply to a
> post or start a new topic, click "Compose your message
> with Rich-Text Editor (Beta)," above the TO: window.
>
> Then click on "Most HTML is OK. Learn more" at the
> bottom right under the message window. That'll give you
> some rudimentary instructions.
>
> Whatever photo or graphic you post has to be hosted
> somewhere on the Web (rather than on your hard disk).
> You'll use its URL in the image tag (the HTML string,
> which the Help page provides for you to plug your data
> into). You'll also need the dimensions of the image in
> pixels, which you can find by right-clicking on the
> image and then clicking "Properties" on the drop-down
> menu.
>
> To insert the HTML string, you need to check the "View
> HTML Source" box on the left under the message window.
> Once you've typed in the string, uncheck the box; if
> the graphic shows up, you're golden. If you get a box
> with a red X in it, you haven't done it correctly. The
> string has to be *exactly* right with all the quote
> marks and spaces and angle brackets in their proper
> places.
>
> There's lots of other tweaking you can do to get the
> image in a particular position, put a border around
> it, etc., but I haven't explored any of that.
>
> If you want to use a *large* image, you'll need to
> reduce the dimensions in the HTML string so it'll fit
> in the message window. You have to be careful you do
> that proportionally, or the image will be stretched or
> squashed. If your original image is, say, 800 by 500
> pixels, you can make it come out half the size by
> dividing each dimension by 2--400 by 250 pixels. If
> you want it to be just a little smaller (or larger),
> you'll have to do some arithmetic to make sure you
> change each dimension by the same percentage.
>
> Give it a try...the basics are reasonably simple,
> but you'll probably have to do some fiddling until
> you see how it works.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Trying to learn how to embed photos...
> 
> So how's it done Judy, or do have to put up with geek
> Barry and his goofy pictures for the rest of our life?

Not sure if it's done the same way if you post via email,
but if you're posting to the Web, when you reply to a
post or start a new topic, click "Compose your message
with Rich-Text Editor (Beta)," above the TO: window.

Then click on "Most HTML is OK. Learn more" at the 
bottom right under the message window. That'll give you
some rudimentary instructions.

Whatever photo or graphic you post has to be hosted
somewhere on the Web (rather than on your hard disk).
You'll use its URL in the image tag (the HTML string,
which the Help page provides for you to plug your data
into). You'll also need the dimensions of the image in
pixels, which you can find by right-clicking on the
image and then clicking "Properties" on the drop-down
menu.

To insert the HTML string, you need to check the "View 
HTML Source" box on the left under the message window.
Once you've typed in the string, uncheck the box; if
the graphic shows up, you're golden. If you get a box
with a red X in it, you haven't done it correctly. The
string has to be *exactly* right with all the quote
marks and spaces and angle brackets in their proper
places.

There's lots of other tweaking you can do to get the
image in a particular position, put a border around
it, etc., but I haven't explored any of that.

If you want to use a *large* image, you'll need to
reduce the dimensions in the HTML string so it'll fit
in the message window. You have to be careful you do
that proportionally, or the image will be stretched or
squashed. If your original image is, say, 800 by 500
pixels, you can make it come out half the size by
dividing each dimension by 2--400 by 250 pixels. If
you want it to be just a little smaller (or larger),
you'll have to do some arithmetic to make sure you
change each dimension by the same percentage.

Give it a try...the basics are reasonably simple,
but you'll probably have to do some fiddling until
you see how it works.

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> It worked for me. I read FFL posts as emails in Outlook on a PC.

Great, thanks for letting me know. It came out fine on
the Web interface as well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[TurquoiseB]

> > Trying to learn how to embed photos...
> 
> So how's it done Judy, or do have to put up with geek 
> Barry and his goofy pictures for the rest of our life?

What is this, Remedial Education For Retards week?

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "authfriend" 
wrote:
>
>
> Trying to learn how to embed photos...
>

Nice !

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: test

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> Trying to learn how to embed photos...

So how's it done Judy, or do have to put up with geek Barry and his goofy 
pictures for the rest of our life?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> > wrote:
> > > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > > left-wing attitude.
> > > >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure Great Swan. I think there are people who really believe
> > that sort of thing. It depresses me. Not because I am "right wing" 
> > (I'm not sure what *bag* I'm in.
> 
> If you're not sure what bag you're in do the test!
> 
> > I used to be hard left in my youth.
> > Now I am highly sceptical about the power of the State and fairly
> > libertarian I guess). Its just that it seems classically cultish to
> > assume that those with whom you disagree with politically NECESSARILY
> > have something *wrong* with them or are *inferior* in some way. From
> > which it follows that if they *evolve* and see the light, they will
> > of necessity come around to your way of thinking.
> 
> So you disagree with the TM claim for improved moral reasoning ;-)
> 
> You're taking it way too seriously.
> 
> But you will find that all the spiritual types are in the bottom 
> left square with me and raunchy and there is a reason for that.
> How far would Stalin get on any scale involving compassion
> and fair play eh?
> 
> And grate swan was kind of right, I was teasingly hoping for
> a reaction from some of the knee-jerk republicans here. Don't
> get depressed about it.
> 
> > 
> > > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the
> > > two axes of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, 
> > > hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> > > 
> > > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems
> > > to have at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have
> > > correlate "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual > 
> > progress creates soft heads and soft hearts.
> > > 
> > > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster > 
> > combo. 
> > > 
> > > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft 
> > heart would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group 
> > promotes that?
> >
>
I was mid bottom (libertarian) and middle of the road. Not that my opinions are 
milktoast (so he says) but rather I chose the best of across the political 
spectrum. Which means I would have the same score as a milktoaster -- but we 
would be far different in our views. 

And the questions / statements to me were not very insightful. I could have 
chosen any answer and defended it "if you mean this by that, then .. "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > > > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > > > left-wing attitude.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two 
> > > > axes of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and 
> > > > soft hearted. 
> > > > 
> > > > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to 
> > > > have at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have 
> > > > correlate "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual 
> > > > progress creates soft heads and soft hearts.
> > > > 
> > > > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster 
> > > > combo. 
> > > > 
> > > > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft 
> > > > heart would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group 
> > > > promotes that?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > This is an interesting idea for a study. What questions would you ask to 
> > > indicate dominance of head or heart? 
> > 
> > Like most 2-d models, its a start -- but can way overgeneralize. i would 
> > start by breaking "head" into 3-4 dimensions:
> > 
> > 1) rationality
> > 2) processing power (innate and developed via pushing the limits of brain 
> > plasticity.
> > 3) information
> > 4) mastery of powerful conceptual models / methods
> > 5) level of pragmatism 
> > 6) street smarts
> > 7) curiosity
> > 
> > As a very quick assessment (and perhaps shallow) -- 
> > 
> > For example, I would rate MMY as
> > 
> > 1) low rationality 
> > 2) high processing power
> > 3) medium to low level of being informed
> > 4) this is a loaded area -- he mastered some powerful concepts -- how valid 
> > they were is another question. 
> > 5) not so pragmatic -- more doctrinaire.
> > 6) high street smarts
> > 7) highly curious
> > 
> > I would rate Hillary as
> > 
> > 1) medium rationality 
> > 2) high processing power
> > 3) high level of being informed
> > 4) relatively high on political frameworks -- again how valid they are is 
> > another question. 
> > 5) fairly pragmatic 
> > 6) lower street smarts (say as compared to Bill)
> > 7) moderately curious
> > 
> > I would rate Barack  as
> > 
> > 1) higher rationality 
> > 2) high processing power
> > 3) high level of being informed
> > 4) relatively high on political frameworks -- he broke new ground in his 
> > campaign an initial management style.
> > 5) more pragmatic (not necessarily a good thing -- no bush investigation, 
> > AIG bonuses etc
> > 6) street smarts 
> > 7) highly curious
> > 
> > >Does the heart lead the head or does the head lead the heart? Possible 
> > >outcomes IMO:
> > 
> > I think its a symbiotic relationship, bother provide feedback to the other 
> > -- positive or negative.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Maharishi, Dalai Llama, Hillary & Raunchydog:
> > > Soft-hearted & Strong-headed: Heart leads head
> > > 
> > > Bush:
> > > Soft headed & Strong hearted: Head leads heart
> > > 
> > > Obama:
> > > Strong-headed & Strong-hearted: Head leads heart
> > >
> >
> 
> GrateSwan, This is interesting list of criteria and an entertaining exercise 
> for typing people.  Is there a source for your list or did you come up with 
> it yourself?
>
It was just off the top of my head -- pre coffee. I noticed that I started by 
saying 3-4 attributes, and as I start listing them, 7 came out. I think there 
are a lot more useful dimensions. And categorizing people and things by such 
things is only a start IMO -- a beginning framework to examine differences and 
similarities. My objection to the 2-d 2x2 matrices is that it pigeon holes 
people into clusters in which some are not particularly similar to others in 
the cluster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> 
> > > So you disagree with the TM claim for improved moral reasoning ;-)
> > > 
> > 
> > Well (a) no, only in your presumed equivalence of "improved moral
> > reasoning" and left wing politics
> 
> I think it's an interesting idea. Let's leave out the left wing politics, 
> what MMY meant must have been greater compassion as an instinct. His idea was 
> that when Buddhists try and generate more compassion it's all on the level of 
> mood-making, whereas with TM
> it's real. Some sort of test of that might be more interesting
> and revealing than testing someones 'coherence'.
> 
> I was talking to a TM teacher once and he thought that democracy
> was crap and Geoffrey Clements should be made prime minister on
> the grounds that MMY had made him head of the TMO in Europe and
> therefore he must have more 'coherence'. Now *that* is cultish.
> It sends a shiver down my spine thinking about it.
>  

Lord, preserve us!

Are you a TM teacher? For some reason I think not? Me neither.
They ARE a strange bunch aren't they!

> > 
> > No, not too depressed namesake! A strong espresso and I'm all better
> > now. Like G Swan I suspected you weren't 100% committed.
> 
> Your post made me laugh, it read like you'd had a hard day at work.
> Glad a coffee sorts you out too.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:
>
> 
> > > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
>  
> > > wrote:

> > So you disagree with the TM claim for improved moral reasoning ;-)
> > 
> 
> Well (a) no, only in your presumed equivalence of "improved moral
> reasoning" and left wing politics

I think it's an interesting idea. Let's leave out the left wing politics, what 
MMY meant must have been greater compassion as an instinct. His idea was that 
when Buddhists try and generate more compassion it's all on the level of 
mood-making, whereas with TM
it's real. Some sort of test of that might be more interesting
and revealing than testing someones 'coherence'.

I was talking to a TM teacher once and he thought that democracy
was crap and Geoffrey Clements should be made prime minister on
the grounds that MMY had made him head of the TMO in Europe and
therefore he must have more 'coherence'. Now *that* is cultish.
It sends a shiver down my spine thinking about it.
 
> 
> No, not too depressed namesake! A strong espresso and I'm all better
> now. Like G Swan I suspected you weren't 100% committed.

Your post made me laugh, it read like you'd had a hard day at work.
Glad a coffee sorts you out too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Richard M]

> > > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > > left-wing attitude.
> > > >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure Great Swan. I think there are people who really believe
> > that sort of thing. It depresses me. Not because I am "right wing" 
> > (I'm not sure what *bag* I'm in.
> 
> If you're not sure what bag you're in do the test!
> 
> > I used to be hard left in my youth.
> > Now I am highly sceptical about the power of the State and fairly
> > libertarian I guess). Its just that it seems classically cultish to
> > assume that those with whom you disagree with politically 
NECESSARILY
> > have something *wrong* with them or are *inferior* in some way. From
> > which it follows that if they *evolve* and see the light, they will
> > of necessity come around to your way of thinking.
> 
> So you disagree with the TM claim for improved moral reasoning ;-)
> 

Well (a) no, only in your presumed equivalence of "improved moral
reasoning" and left wing politics

And (b) I don't believe ultimately in "moral reasoning" (a bit like
Turq), and nor I would say did MMY. That's the whole point of the 
Bhagavad Gita IMO.

> You're taking it way too seriously.
> 
> But you will find that all the spiritual types are in the bottom 
> left square with me and raunchy and there is a reason for that.
> How far would Stalin get on any scale involving compassion
> and fair play eh?
> 
> And grate swan was kind of right, I was teasingly hoping for
> a reaction from some of the knee-jerk republicans here. Don't
> get depressed about it.
> 

No, not too depressed namesake! A strong espresso and I'm all better
now. Like G Swan I suspected you weren't 100% committed.

> > 
> > > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the
> > > two axes of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, 
> > > hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> > > 
> > > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems
> > > to have at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have
> > > correlate "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual 
> 
> > progress creates soft heads and soft hearts.
> > > 
> > > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another 
disaster > 
> > combo. 
> > > 
> > > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and 
soft 
> > heart would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or 
group 
> > promotes that?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > > left-wing attitude.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > > 
> > > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two axes 
> > > of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and soft 
> > > hearted. 
> > > 
> > > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to have 
> > > at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have correlate 
> > > "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual progress creates 
> > > soft heads and soft hearts.
> > > 
> > > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster combo. 
> > > 
> > > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft heart 
> > > would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group promotes 
> > > that?
> > >
> > 
> > This is an interesting idea for a study. What questions would you ask to 
> > indicate dominance of head or heart? 
> 
> Like most 2-d models, its a start -- but can way overgeneralize. i would 
> start by breaking "head" into 3-4 dimensions:
> 
> 1) rationality
> 2) processing power (innate and developed via pushing the limits of brain 
> plasticity.
> 3) information
> 4) mastery of powerful conceptual models / methods
> 5) level of pragmatism 
> 6) street smarts
> 7) curiosity
> 
> As a very quick assessment (and perhaps shallow) -- 
> 
> For example, I would rate MMY as
> 
> 1) low rationality 
> 2) high processing power
> 3) medium to low level of being informed
> 4) this is a loaded area -- he mastered some powerful concepts -- how valid 
> they were is another question. 
> 5) not so pragmatic -- more doctrinaire.
> 6) high street smarts
> 7) highly curious
> 
> I would rate Hillary as
> 
> 1) medium rationality 
> 2) high processing power
> 3) high level of being informed
> 4) relatively high on political frameworks -- again how valid they are is 
> another question. 
> 5) fairly pragmatic 
> 6) lower street smarts (say as compared to Bill)
> 7) moderately curious
> 
> I would rate Barack  as
> 
> 1) higher rationality 
> 2) high processing power
> 3) high level of being informed
> 4) relatively high on political frameworks -- he broke new ground in his 
> campaign an initial management style.
> 5) more pragmatic (not necessarily a good thing -- no bush investigation, AIG 
> bonuses etc
> 6) street smarts 
> 7) highly curious
> 
> >Does the heart lead the head or does the head lead the heart? Possible 
> >outcomes IMO:
> 
> I think its a symbiotic relationship, bother provide feedback to the other -- 
> positive or negative.
> 
> > 
> > Maharishi, Dalai Llama, Hillary & Raunchydog:
> > Soft-hearted & Strong-headed: Heart leads head
> > 
> > Bush:
> > Soft headed & Strong hearted: Head leads heart
> > 
> > Obama:
> > Strong-headed & Strong-hearted: Head leads heart
> >
>

GrateSwan, This is interesting list of criteria and an entertaining exercise 
for typing people.  Is there a source for your list or did you come up with it 
yourself?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:
>
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> wrote:
> > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > left-wing attitude.
> > >
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure Great Swan. I think there are people who really believe
> that sort of thing. It depresses me. Not because I am "right wing" 
> (I'm not sure what *bag* I'm in.

If you're not sure what bag you're in do the test!

> I used to be hard left in my youth.
> Now I am highly sceptical about the power of the State and fairly
> libertarian I guess). Its just that it seems classically cultish to
> assume that those with whom you disagree with politically NECESSARILY
> have something *wrong* with them or are *inferior* in some way. From
> which it follows that if they *evolve* and see the light, they will
> of necessity come around to your way of thinking.

So you disagree with the TM claim for improved moral reasoning ;-)

You're taking it way too seriously.

But you will find that all the spiritual types are in the bottom 
left square with me and raunchy and there is a reason for that.
How far would Stalin get on any scale involving compassion
and fair play eh?

And grate swan was kind of right, I was teasingly hoping for
a reaction from some of the knee-jerk republicans here. Don't
get depressed about it.

> 
> > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the
> > two axes of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, 
> > hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> > 
> > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems
> > to have at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have
> > correlate "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual > 
> progress creates soft heads and soft hearts.
> > 
> > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster > 
> combo. 
> > 
> > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft 
> heart would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group 
> promotes that?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Richard M]

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
wrote:
> > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > left-wing attitude.
> >

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> I assume that's tongue in check. 
> 

I'm not sure Great Swan. I think there are people who really believe
that sort of thing. It depresses me. Not because I am "right wing" 
(I'm not sure what *bag* I'm in. I used to be hard left in my youth.
Now I am highly sceptical about the power of the State and fairly
libertarian I guess). Its just that it seems classically cultish to
assume that those with whom you disagree with politically NECESSARILY
have something *wrong* with them or are *inferior* in some way. From
which it follows that if they *evolve* and see the light, they will
of necessity come around to your way of thinking.


> Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the
> two axes of mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, 
> hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> 
> Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems
> to have at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have
> correlate "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual > 
progress creates soft heads and soft hearts.
> 
> We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster > 
combo. 
> 
> Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft 
heart would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group 
promotes that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > > left-wing attitude.
> > >
> > 
> > I assume that's tongue in check. 
> > 
> > Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two axes of 
> > mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> > 
> > Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to have 
> > at least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have correlate 
> > "evolution" with TM practice to conclude that spiritual progress creates 
> > soft heads and soft hearts.
> > 
> > We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster combo. 
> > 
> > Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft heart 
> > would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group promotes 
> > that?
> >
> 
> This is an interesting idea for a study. What questions would you ask to 
> indicate dominance of head or heart? 

Like most 2-d models, its a start -- but can way overgeneralize. i would start 
by breaking "head" into 3-4 dimensions:

1) rationality
2) processing power (innate and developed via pushing the limits of brain 
plasticity.
3) information
4) mastery of powerful conceptual models / methods
5) level of pragmatism 
6) street smarts
7) curiosity

As a very quick assessment (and perhaps shallow) -- 

For example, I would rate MMY as

1) low rationality 
2) high processing power
3) medium to low level of being informed
4) this is a loaded area -- he mastered some powerful concepts -- how valid 
they were is another question. 
5) not so pragmatic -- more doctrinaire.
6) high street smarts
7) highly curious

I would rate Hillary as

1) medium rationality 
2) high processing power
3) high level of being informed
4) relatively high on political frameworks -- again how valid they are is 
another question. 
5) fairly pragmatic 
6) lower street smarts (say as compared to Bill)
7) moderately curious

I would rate Barack  as

1) higher rationality 
2) high processing power
3) high level of being informed
4) relatively high on political frameworks -- he broke new ground in his 
campaign an initial management style.
5) more pragmatic (not necessarily a good thing -- no bush investigation, AIG 
bonuses etc
6) street smarts 
7) highly curious

>Does the heart lead the head or does the head lead the heart? Possible 
>outcomes IMO:

I think its a symbiotic relationship, bother provide feedback to the other -- 
positive or negative.

> 
> Maharishi, Dalai Llama, Hillary & Raunchydog:
> Soft-hearted & Strong-headed: Heart leads head
> 
> Bush:
> Soft headed & Strong hearted: Head leads heart
> 
> Obama:
> Strong-headed & Strong-hearted: Head leads heart
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > left-wing attitude.
> >
> 
> I assume that's tongue in check. 
> 
> Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two axes of 
> mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> 
> Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to have at 
> least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have correlate "evolution" 
> with TM practice to conclude that spiritual progress creates soft heads and 
> soft hearts.
> 
> We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster combo. 
> 
> Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft heart 
> would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group promotes that?
>

This is an interesting idea for a study. What questions would you ask to 
indicate dominance of head or heart? Does the heart lead the head or does the 
head lead the heart? Possible outcomes IMO:

Maharishi, Dalai Llama, Hillary & Raunchydog:
Soft-hearted & Strong-headed: Heart leads head

Bush:
Soft headed & Strong hearted: Head leads heart

Obama:
Strong-headed & Strong-hearted: Head leads heart

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> > Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> > sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> > left-wing attitude.
> >
> 
> I assume that's tongue in check. 
> 
> Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two axes of 
> mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and soft hearted. 
> 
> Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to have at 
> least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have correlate "evolution" 
> with TM practice to conclude that spiritual progress creates soft heads and 
> soft hearts.
> 
> We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster combo. 
> 
> Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft heart 
> would be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group promotes that?
>
I would say, hopefully, since January 20th of this year, 'The United States of 
America' with Barack Obama as President...
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> >
> 
> 
> Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> left-wing attitude.
>

I assume that's tongue in check. 

Another 2-D political / social / economic scale could be on the two axes of 
mind and heart: strong-headed, soft headed, hard-hearted and soft hearted. 

Soft-hearted and soft-headed are a dangerous combo -- which seems to have at 
least some popularity on FFL. Of course one would have correlate "evolution" 
with TM practice to conclude that spiritual progress creates soft heads and 
soft hearts.

We just had 8 years of soft-headed and hard-heart another disaster combo. 

Strong-headed (as in smart and well informed and educated) and soft heart would 
be the promised land. What instiution, practice or group promotes that? 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> > libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
> >
> 
> 
> Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
> Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
> sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
> left-wing attitude.
>

Just for the record I was spot on with the Dalai Llama. Yep, one of the most 
outrageous Hillary and Maharishi supporters on FFL agrees politically with the 
Dalai Llama. How about that? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
> >
> 
> 
> Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
> libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!
>


Which should be an interesting gauge of any spiritual practice.
Surely, if you are On Ihe Programme, you should evolve in this
sort of direction as true compassion necessitates a socially
left-wing attitude.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test your political compass

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
>


Thanks, that was fun. Just for the record I'm further to the 
libertarian left than Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Llama!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Test

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , grate.swan 
wrote:
>
> Trying to see if posts are going through now.
>

Yep

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: TEST

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Until just a little while ago, no mails had come in since last 
night.
> > However, most of the the mails coming in now were originally posted
> > much earlier, from 10:20pm last night to 1:13pm this afternoon. So,
> > something is obviously wonky at Yahoo.
> 
> It's because I was on a Road Trip to Dublin and
> not posting. The folks at Yahoo thought, "Why
> bother posting the other stuff."
> 
> :-)  :-)  :-)

This IS funny.

lurk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TEST

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
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>
> Until just a little while ago, no mails had come in since last night.
> However, most of the the mails coming in now were originally posted
> much earlier, from 10:20pm last night to 1:13pm this afternoon. So,
> something is obviously wonky at Yahoo.

It's because I was on a Road Trip to Dublin and
not posting. The folks at Yahoo thought, "Why
bother posting the other stuff."

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TEST

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > Messages coming thru?
> 
> Just started to on the Web site.  Was email not
> getting through either?

Until just a little while ago, no mails had come in since last night.
However, most of the the mails coming in now were originally posted
much earlier, from 10:20pm last night to 1:13pm this afternoon. So,
something is obviously wonky at Yahoo.






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Messages coming thru?

Just started to on the Web site.  Was email not
getting through either?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test of Brahmin Consciousness

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Test of Brahmin Consciousness





on 9/26/06 12:32 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Other teachers who didn't go for the recert
> > thang and tried to teach anyway were sued in court
> > by the TM movement.
> 
> Who was sued in court by the TM movement for trying
> to teach although not recertified?
> 
> Is this something new you just found out about?
> Because I don't recall having seen it mentioned
> here.

I don't recall if it ever made it into court, but Barry is no doubt
referring to Mike Scozzari, down in Florida. There's discussion of it
in the archives.

They settled out of court, and Mike agreed to change the name of what he was teaching, among other things.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Test of Brahmin Consciousness

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > Other teachers who didn't go for the recert
> > > thang and tried to teach anyway were sued in court
> > > by the TM movement.
> > 
> > Who was sued in court by the TM movement for trying
> > to teach although not recertified?
> > 
> > Is this something new you just found out about?
> > Because I don't recall having seen it mentioned
> > here.
> 
> I don't recall if it ever made it into court, but Barry is no doubt
> referring to Mike Scozzari, down in Florida. There's discussion of it
> in the archives.
>
I thought the judge heard the arguments but it was settled before
judgement.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Test of Brahmin Consciousness

[Alex Stanley]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Other teachers who didn't go for the recert
> > thang and tried to teach anyway were sued in court
> > by the TM movement.
> 
> Who was sued in court by the TM movement for trying
> to teach although not recertified?
> 
> Is this something new you just found out about?
> Because I don't recall having seen it mentioned
> here.

I don't recall if it ever made it into court, but Barry is no doubt
referring to Mike Scozzari, down in Florida. There's discussion of it
in the archives.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Test of Brahmin Consciousness

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > Other teachers who didn't go for the recert
> > > thang and tried to teach anyway were sued in court
> > > by the TM movement.
> > 
> > Who was sued in court by the TM movement for trying
> > to teach although not recertified?
> > 
> > Is this something new you just found out about?
> > Because I don't recall having seen it mentioned
> > here.
> >
> Mike Scosari (sp?) - in Florida. It's all here on FFL. It came down 
to 
> the service mark on the name TM program. I imagine it was really a
> legal test to see if the service marks held up in court. With 
20,000+
> unrecerified tm teachers in the wild, it had to be tested.

I don't believe that ever actually made it to court,
though.  As I recall, the TMO threatened to sue, and
they settled on the change of name.








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