Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2008-09-30 Thread Vaj
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: The truth comes out! Apparently Brahmananda Saraswati's cook was the Swami Prakashananda Saraswati! He was arrested on indictments alleging twenty counts of indecency with a child/sexual contact. Aren't the parallels amazing? -a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2008-09-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which addict some followers -many blind followers -flees

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2008-09-30 Thread Vaj
On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2008-09-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: These aren't students of SBS. And you're a student of SBS, right? I guess if you're not a student of SBS then you're a troll, right? But yes dear Willy, no sect is immune. So, why pick on Mahesh? My shankaracharya order? Didn't you go to India to sit at the feet of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2008-09-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
The truth comes out! Apparently Brahmananda Saraswati's cook was the Swami Prakashananda Saraswati! He was arrested on indictments alleging twenty counts of indecency with a child/sexual contact. When he was in Fairfield close to 20 years ago he was claiming that our Guru Dev was his

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-07 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Shatananda was declared unqualified because he was a cook, basically. The fact that he was Gurudev's oldest disciple didn't matter to the scholars. There's no evidence that I can find that

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-07 Thread Richard J. Williams
nablusos wrote: Reccomended reading for anyone who thinks Shantanand Saraswati was just a cook: The Man Who Wanted to Know God ISBN 0-517-88520-4 That Shantanand was a cook at Jyotirmath is just a rumor. I supposed the idea behind it is that Shantanand used to cook food for Brahmanand

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Peter
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: Any point value can awaken, at any moment, to its infinite value, even a lowly paper-pushing clerk. Then the relative distinctions become quite superfluous. By the way, on my TTC as MMY reached up to be helped off a boat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Peter
Richard, What is the point of this thread? You seem to be trying to make some point about MMY that I'm not getting. Please help me here! -Peter --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Unless Kropinski's interview with Swami Swaroopananda Brahmananda is

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Richard J. Williams wrote: According to the terms of Brahmanand's will, the Jyotirmath succussor was Swami Shantinand. No mention in the will of a Swami Swaroopanand. At any rate, Swami Swaroopanand is not a succusor to Brahmanand . . . Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Well at least Mahesh Yogi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
What was the little Brahman's name? Peter wrote: Fred Flintstone So, you weren't really at TTC - you made that up and the quote too. Never heard of a Fred Flinstone ever being on TTC with MMY. According to the medical records, as described in the official biography of Swami Brahmanand

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Peter wrote: What is the point of this thread? Does it have to have a point, Peter? Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. Is that alright with you, if I talk with some of the TMers on this list? You seem to be trying to make some point about MMY that I'm not getting.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: Any point value can awaken, at any moment, to its infinite value, even a lowly paper-pushing clerk. Then the relative distinctions become quite

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
cardemaister wrote: Barney Trouble? Very impressive. The real question is why has the Swami Swaroopanand turned the Jyotirmath tradition into a politcal football. It is well-known that Swaroopanand has close ties to the Congress Party and to Sonia Gandhi. Swaroopanand has been reported to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
You seem to be forgetting that Shantinand was eventually declared by a later version of the same committee to be unqualified so he stepped down. Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: What is the point of this thread? Does it have to have a point, Peter? Some people

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Jonathan Chadwick wrote: You seem to be forgetting that Shantinand was eventually declared by a later version of the same committee to be unqualified so he stepped down. Committees down in Kashi don't get to decide who is a Shankaracharya or not and neither do civil courts in India. In my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Richard, you make some good points. But I don't think Mahesh Yogi would ever make the claim he surpassed his teacher. Personally I think he sees himself as a sort of Saint Paul in relation to Jesus, if you will pardon my Christian reference: much lower on the spiritual pecking order but he

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Richard, you make some good points. But I don't think Mahesh Yogi would ever make the claim he surpassed his teacher. A person doesn't let thier followers call you the Maharishi for nothing. And you must think a lot of yourself if you take it upon yourself to be God

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to be forgetting that Shantinand was eventually declared by a later version of the same committee to be unqualified so he stepped down. After 20+ years of service. He nominated Vishndevananda in his

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: Shatananda was declared unqualified because he was a cook, basically. The fact that he was Gurudev's oldest disciple didn't matter to the scholars. There's no evidence that I can find that would indicate that Shantanand was a cook by profession. According to the Times of India,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** Shatananda was declared unqualified because he was a cook, basically. The fact that he was Gurudev's oldest disciple didn't matter to the scholars. **snip to end** Shantanand was initated

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Marek Reavis wrote: Perhaps that was Shantanand's story, too; and if so, would help explain some of the older disciples', like Karpatri Swami and others, discomfort with the favoritism shown Shantanand (and some of the other new chelas) and his quick ascent in what was had become the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Unless Kropinski's interview with Swami Swaroopananda Brahmananda is b.s. (which I don't think it is), Mr. Shrivastava was a clerk, albeit a heavily favored one. So, you're saying, that according to the Shankaracharya of Dwarka, the Mahesh Yogi was the favored clerk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-05 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
wow im just relaxing here i think the maharishi effect is for real i get blasted on tm etc every night and day whats wrong with being a clerk? im a clerk myself but swarupanad is legit _ sbs created him too Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Chadwick wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Jonathan Chadwick wrote: ...but swarupanad is legit _ sbs created him too According to the terms of Brahmanand's will, the Jyotirmath succussor was Swami Shantinand. No mention in the will of a Swami Swaroopanand. At any rate, Swami Swaroopanand is not a succusor to Brahmanand because Swaroop

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Peter wrote: Any point value can awaken, at any moment, to its infinite value, even a lowly paper-pushing clerk. Then the relative distinctions become quite superfluous. By the way, on my TTC as MMY reached up to be helped off a boat he said to the person, Take little Brahman's hand. What

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

2007-01-05 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Chadwick wrote: ...but swarupanad is legit _ sbs created him too According to the terms of Brahmanand's will, the Jyotirmath succussor was Swami Shantinand. No mention in the will of a Swami Swaroopanand. At any rate, Swami