[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC? ** The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC? ** The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. I'll just sit here and enjoy my delicious C-L-T sandwich; Crow, Lettuce, and Tomato, that is. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck. Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you. But in this particular case, starting a petition, writing letters to the newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying to steal someone's farm for pennies. That just alienates most others who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded. And if this does go through--which I doubt at this point--wouldn't that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be? And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck by saying it's just their karma coming back? Well, now maybe they'll get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of another. Perfect poetic justice if you ask me. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck. Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you. But in this particular case, starting a petition, writing letters to the newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying to steal someone's farm for pennies. That just alienates most others who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded. And if this does go through--which I doubt at this point--wouldn't that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be? And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck by saying it's just their karma coming back? Well, now maybe they'll get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of another. Perfect poetic justice if you ask me. Sal What a mean-spirited perspective - Lighten - Up on VC ! ANY responsible community would ACTIVELY attempt to prevent installation of a hog lot, and the process of eminent domain is justified in this case. VC won't get skewered for using eminent domain to prevent the creation of a hog lot. Farmer Palm should receive monetary value equal to the farm's present use, not some imagined value of what it might be worth were it a hog lot. Farmer Palm is NOT acting good neighbor, with his extortion-like plans, and his claims of being a victim. Were he to continue the present use of his farm, VC would probably never have issue with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC? ** The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 30, 2007, at 10:54 AM, ffia1120 wrote: I don't believe a city or a county should take these steps to take someone's land, Reed said. It's his business to sell the land, and at what price he sells it. It's not right to use eminent domain to obtain it. I'd like to see you go through other means before taking these measures, and making people use what may be their life savings to go to court and pay lawyer fees. Unfortunately this is exactly the kind of thing that not only fosters horrible relations with the people who have lived here for generations, it shows an appalling lack of basic compassion or even common sense. The sensible thing to do would be to make this man an offer he couldn't resist, not use schoolyard bully tactics to try and force him out. Once that chubby little Mayor whatshisname of Vedic Acres *wakes up* he's going to feel like one sorry MF- like the guy who drank too much and puked on the Boss at the company party. Hope they don't take the man's farm away. That would be a sin. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 30, 2007, at 10:54 AM, ffia1120 wrote: I don't believe a city or a county should take these steps to take someone's land, Reed said. It's his business to sell the land, and at what price he sells it. It's not right to use eminent domain to obtain it. I'd like to see you go through other means before taking these measures, and making people use what may be their life savings to go to court and pay lawyer fees. Unfortunately this is exactly the kind of thing that not only fosters horrible relations with the people who have lived here for generations, it shows an appalling lack of basic compassion or even common sense. The sensible thing to do would be to make this man an offer he couldn't resist, not use schoolyard bully tactics to try and force him out. Once that chubby little Mayor whatshisname of Vedic Acres *wakes up* he's going to feel like one sorry MF- like the guy who drank too much and puked on the Boss at the company party. Hope they don't take the man's farm away. That would be a sin. :-) there is a raggedy farm with dilapidated buildings half falling down, near the corner of Jasmine and 180th St (Airport Rd). is that the farm in question?? if so, it is really -deserving- of being torn down ... even if it were other farmers complaining, and not just the roos. people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) but if its that farm im thinking of, its -long overdue- and you might even agree, if you saw it! i dont live there any more, but maybe Rick, Doug or Alex Stanley could post a picture??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
On May 30, 2007, at 3:24 PM, george_deforest wrote: there is a raggedy farm with dilapidated buildings half falling down, near the corner of Jasmine and 180th St (Airport Rd). is that the farm in question?? No, George, this farm is at 1735 Hemlock, and the building they show appears to be in excellent shape--you can see a picture of it here: http://jefferson.iowaassessors.com/parcel.php?gid=4936 if so, it is really -deserving- of being torn down ... even if it were other farmers complaining, and not just the roos. If that were the case, there is a specific procedure for getting a building condemned, just like the neighbors did with MDG's. But the condition of any of it isn't really the issue--it's the strong-arming tactics that are so appalling--and would be, I would think, to almost anybody. But apparently I'm wrong about that. people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) That's a laugh. Yeah, all of us here are such a bunch of wimps when it comes to forming our own opinions. but if its that farm im thinking of, Well it's not. its -long overdue- and you might even agree, if you saw it! And you might agree with the opposite POV, once you see the picture. i dont live there any more, but maybe Rick, Doug or Alex Stanley could post a picture?? That's right, don't trust just anyone, George--only the favored few. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
Sal Sunshine wrote: there is a raggedy farm with dilapidated buildings half falling down, near the corner of Jasmine and 180th St (Airport Rd) is that the farm in question?? No, George, this farm is at 1735 Hemlock, and the building they show appears to be in excellent shape--you can see a picture of it here: http://jefferson.iowaassessors.com/parcel.php?gid=4936 ok, i looked and your're right, this farm is quite spiffy. if so, it is really -deserving- of being torn down ... even if it were other farmers complaining, and not just the roos. If that were the case, there is a specific procedure for getting a building condemned, just like the neighbors did with MDG's. But the condition of any of it isn't really the issue -- well now i know ... it's the strong-arming tactics that are so appalling -- and would be, I would think, to almost anybody. But apparently I'm wrong about that. i was just trying to be fair, not jump to assumptions; having seen the farm, i am willing to change my tune people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) That's a laugh. Yeah, all of us here are such a bunch of wimps when it comes to forming our own opinions. wasnt saying that, just was being my usual paranoid about our elected officials playing politics for their own benefit first. but if its that farm im thinking of, Well it's not. its -long overdue- and you might even agree, if you saw it! And you might agree with the opposite POV, once you see the picture. i dont live there any more, but maybe Rick, Doug or Alex Stanley could post a picture?? That's right, don't trust just anyone, George -- only the favored few. :) Sal yes, i meant to say: Rick, Doug, Alex or Sal! (anyone, really, who lives there; so many on this list do not)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
jim flanegin wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) what made it seem possibly right to me was the mistaken notion, (which Sal corrected) that i thought it was a different farm ... one which is really a mess. Turns out the real farm in question is very well kept.
