Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
This is totally the wrong video. That one sucks. This is the one I wanted to link to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVI4fyXo9cY&list=TLEr2mTnD_hFczwf7HOR6ut8p0FNSGtcaM On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:12:41 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote: I ran a tea house wrote: Thanks Ann for your answer. My fist thought was, that I was a bit too snarky, sarcastic, so whatever I wrote - don't take it personal - but I think you already got that. Of course I have nothing against horses, they are beautiful animals, and even though I don't really ride horses, I still meet them when I run out, as they are here in the fields, and many people in the area where I live ride horses, there are horse races in the next village, where people come from the whole county. So, again sorry for the sometimes overly snarky tone. No problem, I like dialoguing here on this forum. What we have been talking about interests me. Regarding you, I take it that meditation is not really for you, I don't want you to be anybody else than you are. I don't want to persuade you to either do 2 x 20, or take up the dome program, or anything else. You are correct, up to this point in my life I simply find activity far more desirable in my life then sitting with eyes closed. I began meditating at the age of 14 and did so without fail until I was 30 or so. I rounded, I did the siddhis. The best meditations I ever had were when I was being checked. The combination of the teacher being present with quiet instructions to open and close the eyes was very soothing and the resulting meditations deep and nurturing. However, virtually every meditation in the afternoons resulted in sleep. But there are people who are inclined to having long meditations, who are lovers of meditation, you may find them on Purusha, or also in many other spiritual groups, or they are simply on their own. To think that they do this, because they have nothing else to do is rubbish. To think that they just sit around and let time pass is equally rubbish. I actually never really meant that completely seriously. But how this conversation started was when Share claimed those who meditated for 7.5 hours per day were "spiritual warriors". She never replied concerning why she feels this but I certainly don't agree. People meditate for themselves, for their own ends (no problem) and one is hardly a "warrior" doing that nor is it particularly gruelling in any way to sit on your ass for hours on end unless you are me who would find it tortuous. It makes me feel you don't know meditation very well, it's okay you have an active life and enjoy it. Meditation is something I did for 16 years every day, twice a day. I know it well enough. I still occasionally practice TM. I also think that those who pursue a Purusha type lifestyle should do so, because it is an urge from within, because there is a real calling, not because they want to 'achieve' something, or they have to force themselves. No argument here. But my point was that these people have nothing else pressing in their lives so they can have that 'luxury' of basically living their lives with eyes closed repeating some mantra (or not). Going on purusha, spending all that time would not be possible if they were Olympic hopefuls, great scientists or had three children to feed. Also, I am very active myself, I have to do many things, so I cannot afford to meditate 7 1/2 hours, Exactly part of my point. and since much of the effect of meditation has spread into activity, I also don't need so much meditation anymore. But I still like it, and meditate every day - and I never regret doing a single meditation. Meditation has always been my best friend. (and that's not because I have no other friends ;-)) Good one. One thing more I like to mention: With meditation there comes a deep sense of detachment. That's obviously diametrically opposed to the sense of passion and interest, you may get with other things. That means you can't love the world anymore, but your love and sense of passion will be different. And to Judy: she doesn't know me at all, the life that I am leading, she just tries to take an easy shot at me. I don't think Judy takes "easy" shots. She considers carefully. She is not a careless person. Whether she is correct in her assessment about you or not only you can really know, if you are open enough to really evaluate what she has to say about you. If she is wrong she is wrong but I don't think she says what she says here without good reason - from her perspective. I have included a link that is hopefully clickable (based on your instructions the other day). It is kind of a cool video about "equestrians". It doesn't say it all nor does it say it perfectly but it does touch on a bit of what I was talking about in my other post to you. It is only a couple of minutes long.Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YTWKf4TQI&list=TLEr2mTnD_hFczwf7HOR6ut8
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:17:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Ann, I don't remember when I first heard the word dharma, but safe to say over 35 years ago. I would say that a person in their dharma has an ease and flow about them, active without being frantic, calm without being dull. I'd say further that the ultimate dharma is to realize and live, on the physical, mental and emotional levels that one is in harmony with everyone and everything else. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:08 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I said something about win win! Anyway, I think people do best for the world when they're doing their dharma whatever that might be (-: Is this actually saying anything? What is your dharma? How can we tell what our dharma is or that dharma actually exists? Do you always speak in such generalities? Is this your dharma? Can you tell when someone is living their dharma? Is there a chance there is no such thing as dharma and would your life be less rich if this was some made up idea? What percentage of the things you say have you actually analyzed and thought deeply about? On Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:21 AM, "doctordumbass@..." wrote: Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! Isn't life simple? Just meditate and no matter what happens or how someone is acting they are evolving to a better, calmer place. On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... wrote: >> >>Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an >>alternative to TM? >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hey Share, >>if a person is established in silence all the time, they no >>longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It >>continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation >>between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's >>ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of >>noise. >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >>Ann, there were 2 >>posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a >>response to the other, I refer you to this comment from >>Seraphita: We >>understand what you're saying but it is a common belief >>in all >>contemplative traditions that communities joined together >>practising >>silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect >>on the world >>even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to >>be a waste of >>space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are >>men and women >>who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people >>induces a >>feeling of calm! >> >> >> >>On Wednesday, >>October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---In >>FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >>Now >>this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. >>Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were >>thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably >>noting that spouses who work away from home are also >>separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. >>My point, though, was not so much about spouses but >>more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a >>day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" >>and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more >>desirable or pressing in their lives to >>apply themselves to. I would have to question their >>interestingness as human beings let alone their >>productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the >>richness this waking life has to offer. >> >>
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Ann, I don't remember when I first heard the word dharma, but safe to say over 35 years ago. I would say that a person in their dharma has an ease and flow about them, active without being frantic, calm without being dull. I'd say further that the ultimate dharma is to realize and live, on the physical, mental and emotional levels that one is in harmony with everyone and everything else. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:08 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I said something about win win! Anyway, I think people do best for the world when they're doing their dharma whatever that might be (-: Is this actually saying anything? What is your dharma? How can we tell what our dharma is or that dharma actually exists? Do you always speak in such generalities? Is this your dharma? Can you tell when someone is living their dharma? Is there a chance there is no such thing as dharma and would your life be less rich if this was some made up idea? What percentage of the things you say have you actually analyzed and thought deeply about? On Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:21 AM, "doctordumbass@..." wrote: Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! Isn't life simple? Just meditate and no matter what happens or how someone is acting they are evolving to a better, calmer place. On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... wrote: >> >>Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an >>alternative to TM? >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hey Share, >>if a person is established in silence all the time, they no >>longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It >>continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation >>between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's >>ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of >>noise. >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >>Ann, there were 2 >>posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a >>response to the other, I refer you to this comment from >>Seraphita: We >>understand what you're saying but it is a common belief >>in all >>contemplative traditions that communities joined together >>practising >>silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect >>on the world >>even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to >>be a waste of >>space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are >>men and women >>who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people >>induces a >>feeling of calm! >> >> >> >>On Wednesday, >>October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---In >>FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >>Now >>this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. >>Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were >>thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably >>noting that spouses who work away from home are also >>separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. >>My point, though, was not so much about spouses but >>more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a >>day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" >>and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more >>desirable or pressing in their lives to >>apply themselves to. I would have to question their >>interestingness as human beings let alone their >>productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the >>richness this waking life has to offer. >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein >>wrote: >> >> >> >>Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an >>alternative to TM? >> >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >>Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Share wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ann, I think many spouses who work >> >> >> >>> outside the home are separated from each other from >> >>most of >> >> >> >>> the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an >> >> >> >>important insight.
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Doc, I said something about win win! Anyway, I think people do best for the world when they're doing their dharma whatever that might be (-: On Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:21 AM, "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" wrote: Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... wrote: > >Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative >to TM? >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey Share, >if a person is established in silence all the time, they no >longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It >continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation >between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's >ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of >noise. > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > >Ann, there were 2 >posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a >response to the other, I refer you to this comment from >Seraphita: We >understand what you're saying but it is a common belief >in all >contemplative traditions that communities joined together >practising >silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect >on the world >even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to >be a waste of >space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are >men and women >who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people >induces a >feeling of calm! > > > >On Wednesday, >October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---In >FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > >Now >this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. >Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were >thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably >noting that spouses who work away from home are also >separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. >My point, though, was not so much about spouses but >more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a >day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" >and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more >desirable or pressing in their lives to >apply themselves to. I would have to question their >interestingness as human beings let alone their >productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the >richness this waking life has to offer. > > > > >On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein >wrote: > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an >alternative to TM? > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Share wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ann, I think many spouses who work > > > >> outside the home are separated from each other from > >most of > > > >> the day. > > > > > > > >When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an > > > >important insight.
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Hi Share - who said anything about a win-win? I was making the point that one can be doing far more [for the world] than someone engaged in the TMSP for 7 and 1/2 hrs. per day, although no explicit signs are there. That is all. If people want to sit around in the dome, that is fine. Recognize though, that it is not the ne plus ultra it is made out to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@...> wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Ann, it's just fun to wonder about the effect of all humans engaging in the same activity for 7.5 hours per day. I mean other than breathing in which we all engage 24 hours per day. What would happen to our little spaceship Earth if we all for example, laughed for 7.5 hours per day? Or sang? Or danced? Or rode horses? My bottom line is that it's a huge universe and there's plenty of room IMO for people who want to meditate for 7.5 hours per day and also for people who want to engage in other activities. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Doc, I think it's a win win. Either the person is calm and radiates that; or they're releasing stress and thus becoming more calm. BTW, I had to reply from Basic because the list in Full Featured did not have your post! On Wed, 10/9/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 12:08 PM Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Ann, what would happen if the entire human population did the same activity all day long?! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:58 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita:We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! So in what way do you see those that round 7.5 hours a day as "spiritual warriors". What is a spiritual warrior? In what way are those who sit with their eyes closed for so many hours per day living full lives? Is the person who jumps head first into life and activity any less warrior-like than those who sit in a room and meditate? Is the person who sits alone and inert living a full life as a human with a physical body? What would happen if the entire population sat for 7.5 hours per day with their eyes closed doing nothing? On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: >>> >>>Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Share wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ann, I think many spouses who work >>> >>>> outside the home are separated from each other from >>>most of >>> >>>> the day. >>> >>> >>> >>>When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an >>> >>>important insight.
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Hey Share, if a person is established in silence all the time, they no longer need to round seven and a half hours a day. It continues 24/7. So, there is not really a correlation between time explicitly spent meditating, and a person's ability to be a source of calm, vs a generator of noise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelflebater@..." wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein mailto:authfriend@...> wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Oh, please, Share, your desperation is palpable. You just keep digging yourself in deeper. Most spouses who both work outside the home do not work in the same place. There are some who do, but, you know, that's why I said it was *verging on* a tautology, to leave room for those few. And in any case, that isn't why you said "I think..." See, there was nothing wrong with the point you made (although it didn't address what Ann was saying). You could have just made it straightforwardly, without the "I think," and nobody would have said Boo. You'd have had no reason to defend it the way you're tying yourself into knots trying to do now. Share wrote: > Judy, outside the home does not almost create a tautology because, as in my > family, > spouses work outside the home, but in the same place thus are not separated > in the way > that was being discussed. As for attempting to accurately read my mind > regarding my use > of I think, you failed IMO. Your motives are deeply hidden from your conscious mind, Share. But they're pretty clear to most of the rest of us. > As for my alleged attempt regarding my alleged dishonesty, keep projecting Nope, no projecting. I'm not dishonest, so no need. Your problem is that when other people recognize your motivations, you resort to dishonesty because they're hidden from you, so you have to make stuff up to explain them away. and Happy Mental Health Day tomorrow! Share wrote: > Judy, unlike you who simply asserts > your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in > this day and age of many working at home, my statement is > qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: "I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day." That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your "I think" qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. "Many" was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. > > It was the "I > > think" that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite > > sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False > > humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; > > it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your > > FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Judy, outside the home does not almost create a tautology because, as in my family, spouses work outside the home, but in the same place thus are not separated in the way that was being discussed. As for attempting to accurately read my mind regarding my use of I think, you failed IMO. As for my alleged attempt regarding my alleged dishonesty, keep projecting and Happy Mental Health Day tomorrow! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:03 AM, judy stein wrote: Share wrote: > Judy, unlike you who simply asserts > your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in > this day and age of many working at home, my statement is > qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: "I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day." That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your "I think" qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. "Many" was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. > > It was the "I > > think" that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite > > sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False > > humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; > > it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your > > FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Share wrote: > Judy, unlike you who simply asserts > your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in > this day and age of many working at home, my statement is > qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. Nope, sorry, you specified spouses who work *outside the home*: "I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from [sic] most of the day." That isn't even an opinion; it's a truism, verging on a tautology. And your "I think" qualification didn't have a thing to do with not knowing the statistics. "Many" was sufficiently vague to cover any uncertainty about numbers. > > It was the "I > > think" that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite > > sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False > > humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; > > it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your > > FFL persona. As is your attempt here to dishonestly extricate yourself from what I pointed out.
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Ann, there were 2 posts and in one you focused on rounding spouses. As a response to the other, I refer you to this comment from Seraphita:We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:28 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: > >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Share wrote: > > > >> Ann, I think many spouses who work > >> outside the home are separated from each other from >most of > >> the day. > > > >When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an > >important insight.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. My point, though, was not so much about spouses but more about the fact that people who meditate for 7.5 hours a day are not, in my opinion, "spiritual warriors" and that they obviously have absolutely nothing more desirable or pressing in their lives to apply themselves to. I would have to question their interestingness as human beings let alone their productiveness and ability to take advantage of all of the richness this waking life has to offer. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein mailto:authfriend@...> wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Judy, unlike you who simply asserts your opinions as facts, I say I think to designate that in this day and age of many working at home, my statement is qualified in that I don't know all the statistics involved. On Wed, 10/9/13, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 9:34 AM It was the "I think" that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. Share wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > > Ann, I think many spouses who work > > outside the home are separated from each other from > > most of the day. > > When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an > important insight.
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Share, thanks for the answer. It also proves that you can read thoughts, because I was just about to ask Ann if this was an example of snarkiness. Btw., for all Neo-fans, I think I discovered another feature, I haven't seen any of you talking about yet. But if I click on those three little dots, which are hiding the comments, in my composer window, I will do that now, wait, and then click on send, it will stay open in the post. Is that so? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein mailto:authfriend@...> wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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It was the "I think" that cracked me up, as if you might not be quite sure about such a trivial and obvious fact. False humility on your part, in other words. You do it a lot; it's a function of the general inauthenticity of your FFL persona. Share wrote: Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein mailto:authfriend@...> wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > > Ann, I think many spouses who work > > outside the home are separated from each other from > > most of the day. > > When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an > important insight.
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Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so. On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Share wrote: > Ann, I think many spouses who work > outside the home are separated from each other from most of > the day. When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an important insight.
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Ann, I think many spouses who work outside the home are separated from each other from most of the day. PS This is a test. Yahoo changed the format of my email inbox yesterday. Is this Neo too?! On Tue, 10/8/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 8, 2013, 11:29 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. Well, that's one good way to be able to ignore your spouse. "Honey, I'll be in the Absolute for the next 7.5 hours if you need me, where I can neither see or hear you and I sure as hell don't have to talk to you or do any household chores so have fun with that and see in when it's time to go to sleep." From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!":7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.":Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening.Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep.Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
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Two of the peeps are married to each other though I suspect they are polycelibate (-: And the third is married to another person who I don't know so well but who is also on the rounding course. All four of these people seem pretty happy to me. Go figure! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household. :-) > > From: "s3raphita@..." s3raphita@... > >  > Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!": > 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! > Spiritual warriors IMHO! > > > From: "s3raphita@" s3raphita@ > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? > > Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": > Yes indeed. > How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. > > > From: "s3raphita@" s3raphita@ > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? > > A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. > Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10â€"15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. > Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. > Power naps of less than 30 minutesâ€"even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutesâ€"restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. > (Copied from Wiki) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household. :-) > > From: "s3raphita@..." s3raphita@... > >  > Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!": > 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! > Spiritual warriors IMHO! > > > From: "s3raphita@" s3raphita@ > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? > > Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": > Yes indeed. > How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. > > > From: "s3raphita@" s3raphita@ > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? > > A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. > Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10â"15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. > Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. > Power naps of less than 30 minutesâ"even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutesâ"restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. > (Copied from Wiki) >
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! No, no Share. These are not "spiritual warriors". These are people, like the rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for themselves. If these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something else for 7 hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You spend a long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, closed seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these meditating individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even a family) they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world has to offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a "spiritual warrior"? And what is that anyway? From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. Well, that's one good way to be able to ignore your spouse. "Honey, I'll be in the Absolute for the next 7.5 hours if you need me, where I can neither see or hear you and I sure as hell don't have to talk to you or do any household chores so have fun with that and see in when it's time to go to sleep." From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!": 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
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3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!": 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
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Re "But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!": 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
