Re: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
Somehow with Yahoo not performing well, I missed this post too Edg - A very telling story and I appreciate your sharing it - there are die-hards all over who still identify themselves with an enlightened man and an oh so special Movement that is saving the world - even with all the stories and blatant evidence that Maha was the most successful con artist in the 20th Century and the fact that the Movement has never delivered on a single one of its promises they still cling to the idea that its all true - this is because if they admit M was not enlightened and that TM and alll the TM money making programs are just that, designed to make money for the Movement and the Srivastavas boys, they would then have to look inside and begin to figure out who they themselves are, rather than making their personal identity a little Maharishi and a world saver. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like that. And they were mounted in various settings that let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch. Costs were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems mounted on it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked eye, but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow. And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their more accessible guru, and it began to stink, because Gandhi was telling folks (me for instance) that if there was a problem, then, don't bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead. Yep, pray to him for favors. That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold out to Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a big chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in the center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the bucks to keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the prayer request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most others. The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being shunted to Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess Maharishi finally heard about it, and a call from Maharishi to the Sacramento Center was arranged. On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point Maharishi got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said, (something like) Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell. Whatever else he said, don't know, but the bottom line was you're all fired if I hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY MONEY. It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi swear, so it was a doozy for me. And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler grabbing the livestock. Maharishi could have done us a solid when the rustlers hit FF and started rebranding us. Should have called us in the dome and told us to tar and feather these outlaws -- something like that. But, SSRS never had an alert about him, nor did I ever hear any MUM official naming him specifically as an outlander. Pete, can you tell us how SSRS' group was politically handled in his early days in FF? I believe a few initiators left and became Gandhi's devotees, but after the call, that was it, and until Maharishi introduced the siddhis and the AV stuff, we initiators were all back to doing, get this, 20 mins twice a day and SCI courses -- just like ordinary meditators -- the shame of it, eh? Remember back then when even initiators were not openly told to do more than 20 X 2? But every initiator I knew as doing at least an hour
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my body, got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper sounds into my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer, (she missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but all she did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,) and then toss in your assorted Reiki treatments, chiropractic treatments from FF's enlightened docs who charged $45 a treatment instead of the going rate of $20 everywhere else, and, oh, my face is too red to continue this listing. Spent about $12,000 doing this exit plan. That was my patterns -- that had been honed and wired by me investing in the TMO -- refusing to give up the identification I'd pumped into them, ya see? So many mystic urges had to be separately extinguished by having each one used until clarity dawned and the ruse was revealed. Am I free? Phihhh, that's the lesson, see? One is never free if one is investing identification into ANYTHING. As long as you're splashing sentience everywhere like it was coming out of a fire hose, well, any charlatan can figure a way under your radar, and blammo, you're back to paying someone to make shit up about you. It cost so much. I paid so much. The time, the money, the failed investments, the shame, the pain of the pulling myself roots-and-all out of the FF community where I knew a thousand people by name and face, the cost, the cost. Yet, who will take the least advice about this from me? That's the tell, ya see? We're all winging it and intuitively know that there are no real experts about what goes on inside one's robot. Gotta laugh. Consider this: I'm sorta like the guy who's entered 30 spelling bees and gotten tossed on the first word every time -- so who's going to come to me for spelling advice even with such a deep involvement in spelling bees? Fuck, I'm not even an expert on how to be a loser. Anyone got a spare Xanax? Edg, thank you again for this, four years later. I can't help but think though, Edg, that you've arrived at a pretty good place. So, was that because of? Inspite of?
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
seventhray27 Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:11 Edg, thank you again for this, four years later. I can't help but think though, Edg, that you've arrived at a pretty good place. So, was that because of? Inspite of? Hey, seventhray27, You got me cornered; so's I gotta admit I like where I am at even though I'm not spiritually at where I EVER planned on arriving, and, too, that TM was the major spiritual tool I used for most of my seeker years. So it hadda done been sumptin'! Thass fer shur. Meanwhile, post TM, I really did a scholarly thingie with Advaita, and that intellectual study forced me to push past the meager offerings of MMY's SBAL and Gita -- which had logically held water, for me, over many readings of those two books. But Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta's writings just jammed my nose into the fact that I had not considered deeply MOST of the TM tenants enough to see the issues that MMY never addressed. But just because I have come to a separate peace with the probable eventuality that spiritual subtlety is not going to be my big-ass accomplishment in this life, that peace does not mean that I am a happy camper. I have merely stopped arguing with what is not pleasing to me as an ego -- seeing so clearly now that all humans are quite deeply entangled with the Tar Baby.identification. To me it is but a very slight exaggeration to designate humans as zombies -- plodding along with non-sentient obsessions. Nor do I say it is evolving to seek to be humanly happy anymore. I think seeking happiness is not necessarily a legitimate spiritual goal, because so few are willing to define happiness as being nothing. To seek any emotion is an addiction process. Instead, it is bitter herbs with which I celebrate livingness. Celebrate, because, well, me's all I gots, and I might as well have at least one follower: my ego. The ego can still cherry pick thoughts from the stream of consciousness and cobble together an image of who it is/was while ignoring all the unpicked thoughts I also produced. According to the ego, I'm a good-guy doncha know. But when I consider ALL my thoughts and feelings and actions as my true historical record of me, then all the failures come to the fore, and perforce, identification is not such a lovely thing after all. It is a good thing to finally get straight, for it shakes certainly like a rat in a terrier's jaws. Far harder to be certain about that's me when there's so much in the mix that is embarrassing. What's left? My ego still thinks it's running the ship, even though my intellect sees the deterministic actualities. I know that anything I have ever thought myself to be was delusional, temporary, chaotically imaginative, riddled with obsessions, heavily in denial about a host of issues, and, frankly, pretty much working against my becoming more subtle. But, being this, clearly to myself (ego,) brings ironic relief, in that, a new wealth of compassion has been garnered. Knowing my own blindness, I cannot blame blindness in anyone now. I see myself, truly, honestly -- with about the same spiritual heft as ANYONE I ever meet or met. Sighincluding FFL's motley crew. And what next? I continue reading Advaita. I continue looking at science and seeing ever deeper metaphors for spiritual concepts. And I divert my brain from vicious cycles with the few entertainments I've discovered that have that power: trikking, writing, etc. can keep my brain busy enough to bat away all the shame -- at least for a while. I do have a theory about reincarnation that gives the ego some relief that it might have more lifetimes to get saintly, but truth be told, never being a person again and having no individuality in the ocean of being sounds like the winning lottery ticket to me. The plight of Edg and how he ends up in the future is not something with great appeal -- not especially a hot ticket at the local IMAX. And too, I'm trying to embrace the mysterium. Trying to calm the ego down and enjoy, bronco style, the ride on the wild ape through the time-jungle. Trying to be jiggy with all the smallness of me. Relaxing into laughter about how itty-bitty petty I am and yet how vast is the underpinning of everything that everyone ends up being. I'm not a saint, nor are most folks, but yet we do the things that seemingly divine puppet strings have us do. Each jerked limb also being a butterfly wing flapping its presence, causing hurricanes divinely ordained that we'll never know. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And what next? I continue reading Advaita. I continue looking at science and seeing ever deeper metaphors for spiritual concepts. I do relate to this. And I divert my brain from vicious cycles with the few entertainments I've discovered that have that power: trikking, writing, etc. can keep my brain busy enough to bat away all the shame -- at least for a while. I remember you saying that Trikking saved your life. I live in a good neighborhood for Trikking. Curvelinear streets it's called. (an historic neighborhood) with a 1.2 mile route around. I need to get on an exercise routine. And really, the neighbors would love to see a new contraction. I do have a theory about reincarnation that gives the ego some relief that it might have more lifetimes to get saintly, but truth be told, never being a person again and having no individuality in the ocean of being sounds like the winning lottery ticket to me. Maybe that is how it ultimately ends up. But even those who are said to have acheived enlightenment appear to be put to work on other chores helping mankind, from what I understand.The plight of Edg and how he ends up in the future is not something with great appeal -- not especially a hot ticket at the local IMAX. And too, I'm trying to embrace the mysterium. Trying to calm the ego down and enjoy, bronco style, the ride on the wild ape through the time-jungle. Trying to be jiggy with all the smallness of me. Relaxing into laughter about how itty-bitty petty I am and yet how vast is the underpinning of everything that everyone ends up being. I'm not a saint, nor are most folks, but yet we do the things that seemingly divine puppet strings have us do. Each jerked limb also being a butterfly wing flapping its presence, causing hurricanes divinely ordained that we'll never know. I think we can relate to that. For me it is letting go of expectations, and dealing with what is at hand. Funny little story. After nineteen years, my son finally said he might want to read one of my books. So yesterday I gave him Initiation by Elizibeth Haich, before he goes back to school tomorrow. But I have no expectation that he will read it. I hope he does, but I've let go of any expectation. Or at least I think I have. Thanks for your reply. One thing you don't see much of here, are noticeable changes in people. I don't think we can say that this is the case with you. And of course, I mean that as a compliment. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my body, got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper sounds into my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer, (she missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but all she did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,) and then toss in your assorted Reiki treatments, chiropractic treatments from FF's enlightened docs who charged $45 a treatment instead of the going rate of $20 everywhere else, and, oh, my face is too red to continue this listing. Spent about $12,000 doing this exit plan. That was my patterns -- that had been honed and wired by me investing in the TMO -- refusing to give up the identification I'd pumped into them, ya see? So many mystic urges had to be separately extinguished by having each one used until clarity dawned and the ruse was revealed. Am I free? Phihhh, that's the lesson, see? One is never free if one is investing identification into ANYTHING. As long as you're splashing sentience everywhere like it was coming out of a fire hose, well, any charlatan can figure a way under your radar, and blammo, you're back to paying someone to make shit up about you. It cost so much. I paid so much. The time, the money, the failed investments, the shame, the pain of the pulling myself roots-and-all out of the FF community where I knew a thousand people by name and face, the cost, the cost. Yet, who will take the least advice about this from me? That's the tell, ya see? We're all winging it and intuitively know that there are no real experts about what goes on inside one's robot. Gotta laugh. Consider this: I'm sorta like the guy who's entered 30 spelling bees and gotten tossed on the first word every time -- so who's going to come to me for spelling advice even with such a deep involvement in spelling bees? Fuck, I'm not even an expert on how to be a loser. Anyone got a spare Xanax? Edg, thank you again for this, four
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And what next? I continue reading Advaita. I continue looking at science and seeing ever deeper metaphors for spiritual concepts. I do relate to this. And I divert my brain from vicious cycles with the few entertainments I've discovered that have that power: trikking, writing, etc. can keep my brain busy enough to bat away all the shame -- at least for a while. I remember you saying that Trikking saved your life. I live in a good neighborhood for Trikking. Curvelinear streets it's called. (an historic neighborhood) with a 1.2 mile route around. I need to get on an exercise routine. And really, the neighbors would love to see a new contraction. A Trikke will do something good for anyone who practices the couple hours it takes to get jiggy. After that, it's like dancing in public every single time. I do have a theory about reincarnation that gives the ego some relief that it might have more lifetimes to get saintly, but truth be told, never being a person again and having no individuality in the ocean of being sounds like the winning lottery ticket to me. you said: Maybe that is how it ultimately ends up. But even those who are said to have acheived enlightenment appear to be put to work on other chores helping mankind, from what I understand.Yeah, there's all that Yogananda stuff about becoming a guru of a whole planet, etc. I guess if there is reincarnation, then, yeah, sure, why not move to greater responsibility. But, if anything, I certainly learned that being a spiritual teacher is completely NOT about the words of the teacher. In that regard, I find it hard to think I would have the vibe power to garner much of a status-at-birth. A yogi is said to pick up where last the spiritual practice had gained, and if so, then I would expect my next birth to be in about the same circumstance and find me working on the same kind of attachments -- not helping others by the virtue of my embodied silence. The plight of Edg and how he ends up in the future is not something with great appeal -- not especially a hot ticket at the local IMAX. And too, I'm trying to embrace the mysterium. Trying to calm the ego down and enjoy, bronco style, the ride on the wild ape through the time-jungle. Trying to be jiggy with all the smallness of me. Relaxing into laughter about how itty-bitty petty I am and yet how vast is the underpinning of everything that everyone ends up being. I'm not a saint, nor are most folks, but yet we do the things that seemingly divine puppet strings have us do. Each jerked limb also being a butterfly wing flapping its presence, causing hurricanes divinely ordained that we'll never know. I think we can relate to that. For me it is letting go of expectations, and dealing with what is at hand. Funny little story. After nineteen years, my son finally said he might want to read one of my books. So yesterday I gave him Initiation by Elizibeth Haich, before he goes back to school tomorrow. But I have no expectation that he will read it. I hope he does, but I've let go of any expectation. Or at least I think I have. I read that book while on teacher training -- off the program, yep, right from the start. Also got yelled at for being found with a copy of Be Here Now. Thanks for your reply. One thing you don't see much of here, are noticeable changes in people. I don't think we can say that this is the case with you. And of course, I mean that as a compliment. Thanks, I'll accept that as valid, because I have changed in how I huff and puff here. Other than that, not so much. But, hey, I gave up coffee a couple weeks ago and now my ears don't ring like Quasimodo is tripping on shrooms. So there's that! Hee hee.Edg Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: snip And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my body, got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper sounds into my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer, (she missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but all she did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,) and then toss in your assorted Reiki treatments, chiropractic treatments from FF's enlightened docs who charged $45 a treatment instead of the going rate of $20 everywhere else, and, oh, my face is too red to continue this listing. Spent about $12,000 doing this exit plan. That was my patterns -- that had been honed and wired by
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and connections you had developed over all those years. You were known there. So, like any human, you looked for another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find in this current type of life. We can work really hard to build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Somehow with Yahoo not performing well, I missed this post too Edg - Â A very telling story and I appreciate your sharing it - there are die-hards all over who still identify themselves with an enlightened man and an oh so special Movement that is saving the world - even with all the stories and blatant evidence that Maha was the most successful con artist in the 20th Century and the fact that the Movement has never delivered on a single one of its promises they still cling to the idea that its all true - this is because if they admit M was not enlightened and that TM and alll the TM money making programs are just that, designed to make money for the Movement and the Srivastavas boys, they would then have to look inside and begin to figure out who they themselves are, rather than making their personal identity a little Maharishi and a world saver. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Â Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like that. And they were mounted in various settings that let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch. Costs were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems mounted on it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked eye, but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow. And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their more accessible guru, and it began to stink, because Gandhi was telling folks (me for instance) that if there was a problem, then, don't bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead. Yep, pray to him for favors. That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold out to Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a big chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in the center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the bucks to keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the prayer request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most others. The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being shunted to Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess Maharishi finally heard about it, and a call from Maharishi to the Sacramento Center was arranged. On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point Maharishi got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said, (something like) Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell. Whatever else he said, don't know, but the bottom line was you're all fired if I hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY MONEY. It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi swear, so it was a doozy for me. And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler grabbing the livestock. Maharishi could
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and connections you had developed over all those years. You were known there. So, like any human, you looked for another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find in this current type of life. We can work really hard to build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld. With all due respect to both your opinion and Edg's, Susan, I think you are repeating the cult programming that we were all fed for so long. Do you not remember the times when we were told how BAD it would be if we were to stray from the 'highest path,' and the terrible, terrible thing that would happen to us if we did? Do you not remember all the stories that those still in the cult would gather around and warm their hands over, talking almost gleefully about the horrible things that had happened (mythically, and almost never in real life) to those who walked away? I do. When I walked away from the TMO, it was with a sense of *relief*, not regret. I have never had a moment's regret in the many years since. Admittedly, I did not stick around long enough to get enmeshed in the cult mindset of Fairfield, and having one's entire identity become intertwined with the group delusion and group identity, but I understand how powerful that can be, and the levels of fear that some people can develop about ever leaving that protective -- but restrictive -- womb. But it was *always* a lie, one IMO with a singular intent. That is, to keep people on the hook, and On The Program, contributing their money on a regular basis to any half-assed project paraded before them as worthy. If I may suggest it -- not wishing to be mean or anything, just telling it like it is -- if you feel that those days that you spent on TM TTC or while in the throes of True Believerism were something you can't or won't ever find anything to compare with, you just haven't been out much. The world is FULL of more wonderful experiences than those, and with a much lower pricetag, or free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Somehow with Yahoo not performing well, I missed this post too Edg - Â A very telling story and I appreciate your sharing it - there are die-hards all over who still identify themselves with an enlightened man and an oh so special Movement that is saving the world - even with all the stories and blatant evidence that Maha was the most successful con artist in the 20th Century and the fact that the Movement has never delivered on a single one of its promises they still cling to the idea that its all true - this is because if they admit M was not enlightened and that TM and alll the TM money making programs are just that, designed to make money for the Movement and the Srivastavas boys, they would then have to look inside and begin to figure out who they themselves are, rather than making their personal identity a little Maharishi and a world saver. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Â Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
was not enlightened and that TM and alll the TM money making programs are just that, designed to make money for the Movement and the Srivastavas boys, they would then have to look inside and begin to figure out who they themselves are, rather than making their personal identity a little Maharishi and a world saver. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Â Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like that. And they were mounted in various settings that let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch. Costs were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems mounted on it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked eye, but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow. And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their more accessible guru, and it began to stink, because Gandhi was telling folks (me for instance) that if there was a problem, then, don't bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead. Yep, pray to him for favors. That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold out to Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a big chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in the center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the bucks to keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the prayer request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most others. The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being shunted to Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess Maharishi finally heard about it, and a call from Maharishi to the Sacramento Center was arranged. On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point Maharishi got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said, (something like) Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell. Whatever else he said, don't know, but the bottom line was you're all fired if I hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY MONEY. It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi swear, so it was a doozy for me. And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler grabbing the livestock. Maharishi could have done us a solid when the rustlers hit FF and started rebranding us. Should have called us in the dome and told us to tar and feather these outlaws -- something like that. But, SSRS never had an alert about him, nor did I ever hear any MUM official naming him specifically as an outlander. Pete, can you tell us how SSRS' group was politically handled in his early days in FF? I believe a few initiators left and became Gandhi's devotees, but after the call, that was it, and until Maharishi introduced the siddhis and the AV stuff, we initiators were all back to doing, get this, 20 mins twice a day and SCI courses -- just like ordinary meditators -- the shame of it, eh? Remember back then when even initiators were not openly told to do more than 20 X 2? But every initiator I knew as doing at least an hour twice a day and feeling spiritually naughty. So, now I've got the gems etc. in a junk drawer somewhere -- pack rat here. Considering that Gandhi had but little charisma for me personally, I should have gone with him and dumped Maharishi. Why? Cuz I would have
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I have found over the years from talking to people who are really into TM, especially those I knew and still know in Fairfield, most of the really good feelings/memories of their time in TM (that they associate with TM) are actually good feelings /memories of their friends and shared experiences not necessarily connected to TM. From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and connections you had developed over all those years. You were known there. So, like any human, you looked for another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find in this current type of life. We can work really hard to build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld. With all due respect to both your opinion and Edg's, Susan, I think you are repeating the cult programming that we were all fed for so long. Do you not remember the times when we were told how BAD it would be if we were to stray from the 'highest path,' and the terrible, terrible thing that would happen to us if we did? Do you not remember all the stories that those still in the cult would gather around and warm their hands over, talking almost gleefully about the horrible things that had happened (mythically, and almost never in real life) to those who walked away? I do. When I walked away from the TMO, it was with a sense of *relief*, not regret. I have never had a moment's regret in the many years since. Admittedly, I did not stick around long enough to get enmeshed in the cult mindset of Fairfield, and having one's entire identity become intertwined with the group delusion and group identity, but I understand how powerful that can be, and the levels of fear that some people can develop about ever leaving that protective -- but restrictive -- womb. But it was *always* a lie, one IMO with a singular intent. That is, to keep people on the hook, and On The Program, contributing their money on a regular basis to any half-assed project paraded before them as worthy. If I may suggest it -- not wishing to be mean or anything, just telling it like it is -- if you feel that those days that you spent on TM TTC or while in the throes of True Believerism were something you can't or won't ever find anything to compare with, you just haven't been out much. The world is FULL of more wonderful experiences than those, and with a much lower pricetag, or free. The type of community thing I was talking about needing is not the TM or cult thing at all, but just the sense of belonging and being known over a long period of time and sharing cultural values with a group, again over a long time. Just psychologically, I think humans are programmed to live like this. You know, sitting around the village campfire in the evening, telling stories, knowing the same people over a lifetime (have you read Laurens Vander Post's A Story Like the Wind?). It has its down side, for sure - especially for members who are different, want to see more, just don't fit in. But for average folk, I do think this community is good for one's well-being. I might be speaking from my own needs here, since my father was transferred by his corporation several times as I was growing up. I adjusted every time but the last one (high school). The place I loved the most was the summer place we vacationed each summer since I had friends and families there over many years as I grew up. NOw I hate moving around. As I recall, you moved a lot too. Wasn't your father in the Air Force? And yet you seen to thrive in moving. So the whole TM TTC and going to ATR courses met a need in me, gave me a community. I think the belief system was secondary, but who knows. My point was that this same feeling and need is normal and that in these modern times, it is not easy or automatic to get. Some real effort and time need to be invested. For me, the TM community was a good thing on many levels. You could tease apart the aspects that were not healthy, but I think some recent research is showing that people involved in a church are healthier. Could it be the belief itself, or the belonging to a community that is the key? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Somehow
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I have found over the years from talking to people who are really into TM, especially those I knew and still know in Fairfield, most of the really good feelings/memories of their time in TM (that they associate with TM) are actually good feelings /memories of their friends and shared experiences not necessarily connected to TM. From: Susan To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and connections you had developed over all those years. You were known there. So, like any human, you looked for another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find in this current type of life. We can work really hard to build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld. With all due respect to both your opinion and Edg's, Susan, I think you are repeating the cult programming that we were all fed for so long. Do you not remember the times when we were told how BAD it would be if we were to stray from the 'highest path,' and the terrible, terrible thing that would happen to us if we did? Do you not remember all the stories that those still in the cult would gather around and warm their hands over, talking almost gleefully about the horrible things that had happened (mythically, and almost never in real life) to those who walked away? I do. When I walked away from the TMO, it was with a sense of *relief*, not regret. I have never had a moment's regret in the many years since. Admittedly, I did not stick around long enough to get enmeshed in the cult mindset of Fairfield, and having one's entire identity become intertwined with the group delusion and group identity, but I understand how powerful that can be, and the levels of fear that some people can develop about ever leaving that protective -- but restrictive -- womb. But it was *always* a lie, one IMO with a singular intent. That is, to keep people on the hook, and On The Program, contributing their money on a regular basis to any half-assed project paraded before them as worthy. If I may suggest it -- not wishing to be mean or anything, just telling it like it is -- if you feel that those days that you spent on TM TTC or while in the throes of True Believerism were something you can't or won't ever find anything to compare with, you just haven't been out much. The world is FULL of more wonderful experiences than those, and with a much lower pricetag, or free. The type of community thing I was talking about needing is not the TM or cult thing at all, but just the sense of belonging and being known over a long period of time and sharing cultural values with a group, again over a long time. Just psychologically, I think humans are programmed to live like this. You know, sitting around the village campfire in the evening, telling stories, knowing the same people over a lifetime (have you read Laurens Vander Post's A Story Like the Wind?). It has its down side, for sure - especially for members who are different, want to see more, just don't fit in. But for average folk, I do think this community is good for one's well-being. I might be speaking from my own needs here, since my father was transferred by his corporation several times as I was growing up. I adjusted every time but the last one (high school). The place I loved the most was the summer place we vacationed each summer since I had friends and families there over many years as I grew up. NOw I hate moving around. As I recall, you moved a lot too. Wasn't your father in the Air Force? And yet you seen to thrive in moving. So the whole TM TTC and going to ATR courses met a need in me, gave me a community. I think the belief system was secondary, but who knows. My point was that this same feeling and need is normal and that in these modern times, it is not easy or automatic to get. Some real effort and time need to be invested. For me, the TM community was a good thing on many levels. You could tease apart the aspects that were not healthy, but I think some recent research is showing that people involved in a church are healthier. Could it be the belief itself, or the belonging to a community that is the key? --- In FairfieldLife
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Not sure how you seperate it out. SCI in Cobb Mountain, Ca. TTC in Vittlel France. Six Month Course in Courcheval, France, ATR in South Fallsburg New York. MIU in Fairfield. These were fun times. Tremendous amount of comradarie. Friendships made, and many kept. These experiences helped me achieve goals I had ever since I was a young child, even if I couldn't articulate them at that time. I did not experience many of the negative experiences Barry describes. I guess I was just lucky. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I have found over the years from talking to people who are really into TM, especially those I knew and still know in Fairfield, most of the really good feelings/memories of their time in TM (that they associate with TM) are actually good feelings /memories of their friends and shared experiences not necessarily connected to TM. From: Susan To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda) Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and connections you had developed over all those years. You were known there. So, like any human, you looked for another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find in this current type of life. We can work really hard to build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld. With all due respect to both your opinion and Edg's, Susan, I think you are repeating the cult programming that we were all fed for so long. Do you not remember the times when we were told how BAD it would be if we were to stray from the 'highest path,' and the terrible, terrible thing that would happen to us if we did? Do you not remember all the stories that those still in the cult would gather around and warm their hands over, talking almost gleefully about the horrible things that had happened (mythically, and almost never in real life) to those who walked away? I do. When I walked away from the TMO, it was with a sense of *relief*, not regret. I have never had a moment's regret in the many years since. Admittedly, I did not stick around long enough to get enmeshed in the cult mindset of Fairfield, and having one's entire identity become intertwined with the group delusion and group identity, but I understand how powerful that can be, and the levels of fear that some people can develop about ever leaving that protective -- but restrictive -- womb. But it was *always* a lie, one IMO with a singular intent. That is, to keep people on the hook, and On The Program, contributing their money on a regular basis to any half-assed project paraded before them as worthy. If I may suggest it -- not wishing to be mean or anything, just telling it like it is -- if you feel that those days that you spent on TM TTC or while in the throes of True Believerism were something you can't or won't ever find anything to compare with, you just haven't been out much. The world is FULL of more wonderful experiences than those, and with a much lower pricetag, or free. The type of community thing I was talking about needing is not the TM or cult thing at all, but just the sense of belonging and being known over a long period of time and sharing cultural values with a group, again over a long time. Just psychologically, I think humans are programmed to live like this. You know, sitting around the village campfire in the evening, telling stories, knowing the same people over a lifetime (have you read Laurens Vander Post's A Story Like the Wind?). It has its down side, for sure - especially for members who are different, want to see more, just don't fit in. But for average folk, I do think this community is good for one's well-being. I might be speaking from my own needs here, since my father was transferred by his corporation several times as I was growing up. I adjusted every time but the last one (high school). The place I loved the most was the summer place we vacationed each summer since I had friends and families there over many years as I grew up. NOw I hate moving around. As I recall, you moved a lot too. Wasn't your father in the Air Force? And yet you seen to thrive in moving. So the whole TM TTC and going to ATR courses met a need in me, gave me a community. I think the belief system was secondary, but who knows. My point
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Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like that. And they were mounted in various settings that let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch. Costs were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems mounted on it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked eye, but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow. And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their more accessible guru, and it began to stink, because Gandhi was telling folks (me for instance) that if there was a problem, then, don't bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead. Yep, pray to him for favors. That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold out to Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a big chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in the center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the bucks to keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the prayer request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most others. The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being shunted to Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess Maharishi finally heard about it, and a call from Maharishi to the Sacramento Center was arranged. On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point Maharishi got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said, (something like) Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell. Whatever else he said, don't know, but the bottom line was you're all fired if I hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY MONEY. It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi swear, so it was a doozy for me. And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler grabbing the livestock. Maharishi could have done us a solid when the rustlers hit FF and started rebranding us. Should have called us in the dome and told us to tar and feather these outlaws -- something like that. But, SSRS never had an alert about him, nor did I ever hear any MUM official naming him specifically as an outlander. Pete, can you tell us how SSRS' group was politically handled in his early days in FF? I believe a few initiators left and became Gandhi's devotees, but after the call, that was it, and until Maharishi introduced the siddhis and the AV stuff, we initiators were all back to doing, get this, 20 mins twice a day and SCI courses -- just like ordinary meditators -- the shame of it, eh? Remember back then when even initiators were not openly told to do more than 20 X 2? But every initiator I knew as doing at least an hour twice a day and feeling spiritually naughty. So, now I've got the gems etc. in a junk drawer somewhere -- pack rat here. Considering that Gandhi had but little charisma for me personally, I should have gone with him and dumped Maharishi. Why? Cuz I would have gotten done with Gandhi in fairly short order methinks, whereas the true master of the scam kept me pumping coinage into his pocket for another 25 years. Think of the money, time and angst I could have saved myself. And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my body, got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper sounds into my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer, (she missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but all she did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: People who have never studied magic are amazed by the stupidest tricks. And people who have never studied music are amazed by stupid Hillbilly tricks.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: People who have never studied magic are amazed by the stupidest tricks. And people who have never studied music are amazed by stupid Hillbilly tricks. Hillbillies are white, uneducated, poor, rural people. The music I play comes from black, uneducated poor,rural people. If you want to express what a musical snob you are,it helps to get your idiom right. And unless you exclusively listen to European or Asian, folk or classical music... you can thank a uneducated poor,rural black man or woman from the southern US for what you hear.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Maharishi not only supported seing these healers, He named them Psychic Surgeons thus elevating them to the status they fully deserve. Too bad you and Maharishi never got the popular book among 10 year olds here in the US: Amazing Magic with a Thumb tip. This nonsense has already been exposed so many time you and Maharishi might as well be promoting snake handling. I have photographs of Mr. Orbito having his arm up to his elboe firmly placed into my belly. Let me guess...he pulled some chicken guts out of his thumb tip or from the rag he uses to wipe his hands between revealing the chicken guts and then Nabby felt much better! He had his hand in you up to his elbow alright Nabby but it didn't need a magical incision. Mr. Orbito told me that the greatest effect of this particular kind of healing was to strengthen the devotion to God. It is called faith healing. Very popular in countries with low literacy rates. Falling for this obvious scam is a new low in gullibility for both you and Maharishi. He is also attempting to justify his con with a spiritual dodge. It increases faith by using low level parlor magic. People who have never studied magic are amazed by the stupidest tricks. All it takes is for someone to have the low ethics to pretend their tricks are real. But for someone who has studied magic you can SEE them doing it! It is no surprise that you are also bamboozled by Sai Baba Nabby, it is the exact same technique used to produce his magical powder which he gets from the cloth that he uses to wipe his hands between producing more. At least some of the surgeons use a thumb tip with makes it a better trick although, still transparently obvious to anyone who isn't trying hard to believe that they are seeing REAL magic! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the full story Duv. I didn't know the guy with gems was pushing himself as an alternative guru. That explains better mmy telling initiators to go to hell, which at the time shocked me too. Also, you mention briefly seeing a philippino psychic surgeon. I wonder what you thought about it and was in the philippines? It was curious to me that MMY okayed MD and purusha going to see them. Maharishi not only supported seing these healers, He named them Psychic Surgeons thus elevating them to the status they fully deserve. I have photographs of Mr. Orbito having his arm up to his elboe firmly placed into my belly. Are they more effective than certain other traditions of healing ? Probably not. Mr. Orbito told me that the greatest effect of this particular kind of healing was to strengthen the devotion to God.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the full story Duv. I didn't know the guy with gems was pushing himself as an alternative guru. That explains better mmy telling initiators to go to hell, which at the time shocked me too. Also, you mention briefly seeing a philippino psychic surgeon. I wonder what you thought about it and was in the philippines? It was curious to me that MMY okayed MD and purusha going to see them. Maharishi not only supported seing these healers, He named them Psychic Surgeons thus elevating them to the status they fully deserve. I have photographs of Mr. Orbito having his arm up to his elboe firmly placed into my belly. Are they more effective than certain other traditions of healing ? Probably not. Mr. Orbito told me that the greatest effect of this particular kind of healing was to strengthen the devotion to God.
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I have photographs of Mr. Orbito having his arm up to his elboe firmly placed into my belly. Let me guess...he pulled some chicken guts out of his thumb tip or from the rag he uses to wipe his hands between revealing the chicken guts and then Nabby felt much better! He had his hand in you up to his elbow alright Nabby but it didn't need a magical incision. Not only that Curtis, but Mr. Orbito had his hands up to his elbows in a completely different orifice of Nabbys. A loose fit no doubt.
